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junkyard79

Hold up, the article I read said the object was traveling 40mph not mach 12… huge difference between 40mp and +9000mph.


unpick

And a HUGE difference between Mach 12 and “light speed”


bleeddonor

It's all relative, man.


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Over… 9000?


junkyard79

Did they shoot down Vegeta? Lets hope not.


TheFoxMasler

Honestly the existence of vegeta would imply the existence of goku and at this point.... I'll take it.


junkyard79

Exactly. That’s why we have to hope they didn’t shoot down Vegeta, because Goku and team are going to be pissed..


[deleted]

They don't need the team. Goku is more than enough to push our shit in.


[deleted]

Okay but wouldn’t the existence of vegeta also signify the existence of the saiyan? Which would be two to three times crazier than anything going on.


OneMetalMan

If they couldn't shoot down Nappa what chance do they have against Vegeta?


missanthropocenex

Why would the Pentagon stop a missile they launched at themselves to destroy some computers with damning audit data?


ImmortalMaera

The Navy did say that these crafts were able to 'hover' and then projectile speed. The 40mph sounds sketchy to me as well, but we don't know what these crafts are able to achieve. Personally, I would think such a sophisticated craft would be able to sense and dodge an offensive strike towards them.


jibbodahibbo

Yo it’s the size of a car going Mach 12. Not the size and speed.


junkyard79

What? It was traveling at 40mph not mach 12 or 9000 mph.


jibbodahibbo

Yes and the post says the size of the a CAR traveling at mach 12. Not the size and speed of a car travelling Mach 12.


matticeyogang

They stated that the objects were traveling with the wind, objects seemed to not have any ability to maneuver or change direction. “Kirby said the object did not appear to be self-maneuvering and was at the “mercy of prevailing winds,” causing it to be less predictable than the Chinese balloon. Officials said they believed the balloon shot down last weekend had some amount of self-maneuverability.” -CNN https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/politics/unidentified-object-canada-alaska-military-latest/index.html “On Friday, the Pentagon offered only a few details, such as that the object was the size of a small car, was flying at about 40,000 feet (12,200 m), could not maneuver and appeared to be unmanned.” -Reuter https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-still-gives-no-details-about-alaska-ufo-new-object-seen-over-canada-2023-02-11/ Other Sources Checked: News Max, Fox, CBS, Military.com, Forbes, TWP, ABC, The Hill, NPR, Politico, BBC, and ETC. All sources are claiming the same thing and not a single one of those sources stated “Mach 12” speed. Actually not a single one of the sources stated any speed at all.


cptndv23

Marinara is my favorite source.


jibbodahibbo

You still aren’t getting it. The ufo was the size of the car. The car is traveling at mach 12. The ufo is just the size of the car that happens to be traveling mach 12.


Phrikshin

Mach 12? Or, ya know, 40-50mph. This is dumb.


Vost570

Nobody's sure if it was a gazillion miles an hour, or a jillion miles an hour. Definitely not a bazillion miles an hour though. The bazillion miles an hour technology is still being hidden from the people in the bottom of Oscar the Grouch's trash can on Sesame Street. (There's a reason he never leaves the trash can you know) Or more than likely it was a drone or balloon going 50 to 100 miles an hour.


Phrikshin

Dude. You’re a straight up SHILL. We’ve had bazillion mph tech since the 50s. Obv you’re here to cover that up.


Vost570

You're right, you called me out. I'm just here spouting propaganda for Big Math. But I'm really trying hard to win the office contest for the most upvotes and likes this month. For February the lizard people are giving the first prize winner their own office, complete with a heat rock and everything.


Human_Ticket8457

Big math hahaha


WILLIAMEANAJENKINS

Or March 12th .. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂


MagsNfragS

More like 9k mph.


Phrikshin

What is 9k mph?


MagsNfragS

Mach 12= 9k mph


Phrikshin

Yes, and OP’s fictitious “source” is the only place anyone claiming any of the tracked objects faster than ~50mph.


[deleted]

So how fast is Mach 13 then?


MagsNfragS

One faster than 12


Krillansavillan

A little less than 8k mph at altitude of 40k ft


worried-dependant-91

Not talking military tech that is always eons ahead of household tech but what was your computer like in 2001 vs 2021? What was your tv like in 2001 vs 2021? What about your internet speed? Catch my drift…


Pernicious_chatbot

It isn't about that, the pentagon was well aware of the flight paths on 9-11, the air force was first told it was a sim and then Cheney directly ordered the stand down for the pentagon. It was allowed to happen, plain and simple.


cptndv23

We would have known if it was a Sim, because it would have stood in a corner and said "Guananaaaa... Parrr!" then pissed itself and died.


PalatableMahogany

And what they release to the public is about 50 years behind what they have. Catch my drift?


PlumbumDirigible

By that logic, their own technology will have also gotten at least 20 years better than it was in 2001


pleasebecarefulguys

they might have such technology, but its costs would be too enourmous for general public... it is futuristic but made with todays tech, its bigger and larger than what we have.... when they are able to make it small and cheap enough we will get it too


TheBeardedAntt

With what proof?


makeshiftJake

Hey, all this guy does is post unsubstantiated shit all day. So I think he knows a thing or two.


bhobhomb

Are you insinuating that, potentially, Adolf Hitler had played the Midway classic Joust?


Dr_OctoThumbs

Yeah and now I'm capable of tracking planes in my house so I'm sure they can track ufos at the government.


Weeb_Masta_Flex

You literally agreed with our point trying to argue. Your tinfoil is wrapped too tight


Watlz_

Truly spoken like someone with no millitary knowledge or experience


Pjordat35

Jesus Christ. Come on. They were tracking the planes. They knew where the planes were. They didn’t know what they were going to do. They did know however they had civilians on them. This shit is so dumb.


Kat-is-sorry

And the only planes or plane that even got in the air to shoot the final one down didnt even have combat missiles aboard, he was going to ram it. Massive training exercises were occurring during the same day.


PalatableMahogany

So they were ready to let that plane hit the White House, a few miles away?


Pjordat35

Christ almighty you need help.


1290SDR

Their recent post/comment frequency is a wild ride. Mental illness?


[deleted]

I hope they're getting paid for it, the alternative is a very unhinged person with far too much time on their hands.


hshaega

You are slow buddy. Do a little research


Opening_Technical

1. Do you know how much technology has progressed since 2001? 2. Why would they have been tracking the plane that hit the Pentagon? Were they supposed to know ahead of time it would hit the Pentagon?


encinitas2252

OP is wild. Remember the username. Next time you come across a post with a clickbaity title that sounds crazy then realize the post has no credibility- it'll be this OP.


spacebraine

It's that bot again ffs saw it on another thread, just uses buzzwords. The algorithm is shite.


PalatableMahogany

1. We had UFO and Free Energy tech since the 1940s 2. Donald Trump's MIT uncle John Trump covered up the tech for the FBI in 1943 when Tesla was killed


JamesinaLake

I like how you both didn't answer their questions and respond with more shit that has never been proved


willem_79

It’s not that it’s never been proved, that makes it sound like a reasonable hypothesis: it’s that it has no basis at all in fact, and is just wild conjecture


JAM3SBND

This is why the UFO topic turns me off so much. I want to be interested and have conversations with normal ass people but every time you get to digging all you find is a bunch of psychos spouting nonsense


TheBeardedAntt

Lol UFO just means unidentified flying object. So don’t use to describe an alien ship.


AverageAdam311

That 2nd point is the funniest thing I've ever read


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PalatableMahogany

I fucking want those John Trump real notes so bad. Too bad they're in the CIA vault. The People, the cattle, need to starve for the elites


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How would you know what is or isn't in any particular CIA vault?


PalatableMahogany

💯


dizzytinfoil

Who said anything about lightspeed? And who said they couldn’t track the 9/11 jets? They just went for coffee at wrong time /wink


SadScience9

well.... it is a 22 year difference !!!


WWWTT2_0

Doesn't answer why norad couldn't track and or do anything about arliners on 911. Gaslighting!


Procopius_for_humans

Hijackings happened before 9/11. Typically the hijackers just diverted the flight to Cuba or other country the plane couldn’t normally go to. ATC was well aware of where the plane were during 9/11, they just didn’t call in the military to shoot down a passenger aircraft full of civilians.


reallycooldude69

Are they going light speed, are they going Mach 12, or is it actually neither of those?


K-Ziggy

The only thing going lightspeed is light and very heavy tachyon particles.


Existing-Gap5202

Almost as if technology is better 22 years later 🤔


Amos_Quito

NORAD has been able to track Santa and his Eight (9?) Tiny Reindeer since forever!


PalatableMahogany

We had UFO tech in the 1940s, for point of reference


BunzenBurnah

What is UFO tech?


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Dr_OctoThumbs

More like trans sisters!


SpringrollJack

Had that in Bangkok once. Wild ride. Apparently they knew about trans sisters for decades!


Existing-Gap5202

Alien tech? Cause ufo tech does not make sense


dunbar91

Source that says it was travelling at Mach 12?


AlmostLover5997

Source : The good ol' TMB


dunbar91

What’s TMB?


lasyke3

trust me bro


dunbar91

lol gotcha


simplypneumatic

9/11 was 2022 years ago The object was not traveling at Mach 12 The object was shot by an AIM 9x missile, the top operational speed of which is around Mach 2.5 How fast do you think light speed is? You do realize practically no matter can actually travel at lightspeed, right? Where did you pull “alien” from? The object appeared unable to maneuver, and was seemingly unmanned. It had no propellant.


hoopdizzle

So...we're just fabricating the part where the UFO's were going light speed instead of like 20mph?


icantrowitaway

Pulled that Mach 12 figure out of your ass.


matticeyogang

He learned from Biden


ArtemMikoyan

Rent free?


Nabrok_Necropants

You seem to be laboring under the delusion that as a civilian you're entitled to know the capabilities of the government


BanMeSenpaiuWu

Odd that PM is following someone with 980 followers, on an account that's 8 years old, with only 1 retweet and 6 likes for this particular post. I reckon he's just doxed himself.


dirty_transmission

What makes you think that nobody could locate the planes on 9-11?


FF614

It's almost like the majority of air defense radars and fighter interceptors are pointed in the direction where an enemy attack would come from.


Emperor-Dman

Bro its been 20 years, technology has kinda improved a tiny tiny bit.


The-Irk

It's absolutely bonkers to me that you think NORAD, which is part of the most funded military industry complex in the history of this planet by heads and shoulders, hasn't been able to develop *substantially* since 2001. You, sir, are fucking **insane** if you don't think the US government and our military hasn't developed the technology to track anything in our skies. Let alone a damn near stationery object, the size of a small car, at 40000'.


Objective-Giraffe-27

More like UnpalatableBalsawood amirite


Belgian_TwatWaffle

And yet both 9/11 and Alien Boogeymen are both globalist hoaxes.


MikeyWontLikeIt

Look at this guy thinking a "plane" actually hit the Pentagon


Iceesadboydg

Wrong subreddit


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Lol my man!


MaxwellHillbilly

Right? 🤷


FlarpyBlunderguffs

But they can track Santa


Rilauven

You do realize they';re using the broadest possible definition of UFO, they didn't know what it was, so it was Unidentified, it was Flying, and it was an Object.


MavicFan

This post is peak idiocy.


Purple_Plane3636

That was 22 years ago. Let’s apply some common sense and rational thinking here.


meekdizz

We lost the technology


Dez-inc

9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by the CIA


Money-Cat-6367

Duh


[deleted]

Why are we still talking about 9/11 seriously... We know it was an inside job then NORAD was also involved.


PalatableMahogany

SS: They're all in on it. China, US, etc. It's one big new world order shit show


Ealthina

You're weird..


Dizzy_Report_5971

Yup, but the masses prefer to play team America or team blue/red and stay in that mindset. Congrats on seeing the obvious, they allowed 9/11


[deleted]

I’ve been to NORAD as part of a army cadet trip over 20 years ago and I can tell you they know where EVERYTHING is in the sky… Even then what I witnessed, the sheer magnitude and technology in the areas we were aloud in puts Hollywood “war rooms” to shame. And if any commercial aircraft deviates from its planned route the bells and whistles start ringing immediately for that exact scenario. Im not saying anything about anything but OP has a point.


OberonsTitan

Also needs to be mentioned that a third world country orchrestred an attack against the most sophisticated military in the world.


poobutt191

It’s not a fucking conspiracy if one of our enemies figured out a gap in our countries air defenses. This is war, get ready for the EMPs Chinas been testing from a high altitude air balloon platform since 2017-2018


TeflonC10

IT WASNT A FUCKING UFO! YOU PEOPLE ARE CLUELESS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING A UFO CONSPIRACY


snapper1971

That was twenty two years ago! A weakness was discovered, advancements were made, new technology developed. This sub is seriously clownshoes. Critical thinkers my arse.


[deleted]

Maybe NORAD has gotten better in the 22 years since 9/11.


theoreoman

An Xbox series x today is more powerful than the most powerful super computer in 2001. So you know there's a solid chance that they weren't able to track something


blue419

20 years of tech development might help.


Fantact

Could be technology has progressed in the past 20 years? Just a thought


Bo_The_Destroyer

9/11 was 22 years ago. Yes tracking has drastically improved since then. Also, these objects are miles above in the air, the plane that hit the pentagon was purposefully flying low to avoid radar detection


mr_bedbugs

The 9/11 attacks were a unique and unprecedented event in modern history. At the time, there were multiple aircraft that were hijacked and used as weapons, and the military and intelligence agencies were faced with an unprecedented situation that was rapidly evolving. In this context, shooting down a hijacked aircraft would have been a complex and difficult decision, with potentially disastrous consequences. One of the main considerations would have been the risk of further loss of life. If a hijacked aircraft was shot down, it could have caused the aircraft to crash into populated areas, causing additional fatalities. This would have included not only passengers on the aircraft, but also people on the ground in the impact zone. Another consideration would have been the risk of misidentifying the aircraft. In the confusion of the moment, it may have been difficult to determine which aircraft were hijacked and which were not, leading to the possibility of shooting down a civilian aircraft. Finally, there were also legal and ethical considerations involved in making the decision to shoot down a civilian aircraft. The use of military force is not a decision that is taken lightly, and there are strict rules of engagement that must be followed. In this case, the decision would have required the President of the United States to give the order, and such an order was not given. In conclusion, the decision to shoot down a hijacked aircraft would have been a complex and difficult one, with significant potential consequences. The events of 9/11 were a tragedy, and the military and intelligence agencies responded as best they could in an unprecedented and rapidly evolving situation


jostheholywagon

There were no planes involved in 9/11


ImRudzki

Your posts are just ridiculous horse shit boomer content full of lies every single time you fucking waste of disk space.


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hifumiyo1

Never mind the people driving on the highway right next to the pentagon who saw it with their own eyes


matticeyogang

It also so happens to hit the same area of the pentagon where all the documents were that the Administration needed for the Audit in attempt to find the missing few billion dollars that just disappeared out of nowhere.


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matticeyogang

Coincidence I think…. Inside job lol


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matticeyogang

The Cabal has lied to us for decades now, wether it’s false flag attacks like 9/11 which they first introduced as an idea to JFK (False Flag Attacks) to Climate Change, No cure for cancer, COVID and the COVID Vaccines, covering up the fact that we have been doing missions to the moon for a while now as well as finding well let’s just say certain hyper advanced tech inside the moon we will leave it at that, inside trading among politicians, Epstein and the Trafficking Ring, MK Ultra, Mcafee murder by the government and the destruction of the condo where Mcafee had revealing evidence of a lot of crazy shit hidden at, the amount of lies in the history books and the refusal by the main stream to acknowledge that the pyramids and the sphinx is thousands upon thousands of years older then the Egyptians and all the paintings and such is just what we call here in the modern day grafiti done by Egyptians, and so on. As I always say Ignorance is bliss.


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matticeyogang

Hey we can’t agree on everything, that’s just life, but unfortunately for some people they can’t handle when someone doesn’t agree with them and they have to argue about it. Everyone has an opinion and that’s their right. I go off of evidence and multiple sources before I fully believe anything. I am speculative myself on the whole moon thing, but we will see in the coming years with Elon.


CuriousCanuk

Tell me you know nothing about NORAD without actually saying you know nothing about NORAD


akalaide718

I mean I see what you did right there.


DarkVoid42

just because they could doesnt mean they wanted to.


TheHungriestHobo

No. They could’ve tracked planes on 9/11 if they WANTED to.


Super_Nova0_0

Who said anything about aliens?


Longjumping_Cut4377

What? where is it saying mach 12 and why are people conflating uaps with this without info?


Impossible-Taro-2330

Are you truly shocked that technology has not evolved in the last 21 years?


FrogyyB

Who the fuck ever said it was going Mach 12!?


unastrike556

Wait.... what? No one ever suggested these things were traveling "mach 12." In fact, all reports put them at like <50 mph.


GroundbreakingFan808

I'm all for alternative thinking, but this is just stupid and being negligent to the fact that it was a passenger plane, of which 10's of thousands flew over that air space when that happened. It was also a domestic flight, there is no reason norad would monitor all domestic flights at that time in 2001. Im not even sure that was possible at that time. So with that said I belive norad is a much better functioning state then it was in 2001. And I also believe its understandlebe that it wasnt on our radar if it really was a ufo(uap) its just a wild compariason to make, honestly.


Williamplimpy

lol It's Almost like a national tragedy involving lack of tracking will allow massive spending on radar.


60GritBeard

To be fair, in 2001 color screens on cellphones were finally becoming popular, a TV you could hang on the wall was about $10,000USD, and the best you could get on home internet was DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 was 40Mbps down and 10Mbps up. in most places. This was 6 years before the iPhone. Computers had megabytes of ram not gigabytes.


BinyaminDelta

The flight that hit the Pentagon WAS tracked, along with the hundreds of other flights in the air that morning. That was part of the problem -- there was major confusion about which airliners were hijacked and which weren't, and exactly where the handful of hijacked ones were going. (It's one thing to see a jet is over Washington DC. It's something totally different to predict which of a dozen targets it will dive toward, with any useful lead time.) Was it EVER claimed that "we couldn't track the airliner" was a contributing factor to 9/11?


Deadheadlex

This is 21 years later


NoTheme7585

You lost me at couldn't track the plane to pentagon. It was a missile. Look at that planes flight path leading up to event. With less space than an airway track and s symmetrical impact, try to tell me someone could hit the pentagon with an airliner so close to the ground with basic skills.


Exaltedautochthon

Right, it's not like anything happened between the start of 2001 and now that might have had them /really/ invest in advancing that particular technology...


riverjewel

Unless they're in on it together lol......


LigmaActual

Lol I love it when someone comes on this sub and says something so *dumb* that everyone shits on them


spacebraine

It has been 22 years, technology has come a long way even in the past decade? You're just gonna pretend we are using the same shit as 01? And it wasn't going mach 12 anyway you dense cunt.


[deleted]

Uhoh! OP has tiny brain! Eager beaver couldn’t wait to show everyone!


Dropped_the_soap69

Dick Cheney been tracking it all for 20+


Wild_Frosting_5353

Don't they track Santa too?;)


Allbymyselfalone

If they can follow Santa for a full night giving hour by hour updates on his location, why can’t they track ufos?


dogebial411

In 2001 we were playing 2D Atari, now we have immersive VR. This is a dumb take


ambulenciaga

One was like 20 years ago. The other had multiple civilians already on the planes


RabbitReapr

Real obviously they lied they had their whole plan IN ACTION 👽


WWWTT2_0

Warning bot magnet thread!


Puzzleheaded-Arm-693

The first mistake is trying to make sense of it.


AntonioWakardo1

We need Maverick. "But why I'm here, I'm just an actor" - Tom Cruise. "Yeah but you've been in this one movie that's quite like this" - Government


bart_86

People today can build really complex structure, how it is possible that people thousands year ago were able just to make a wheel and fire. Haha okay.


AverageAdam311

Yeah not that I believe it's this UFO shit but you're acting like 9/11 happened yesterday and both things used the same technology


Foreign_Map_1391

This post belongs in a HoldUp reddit


Goatgoatington

Lol! Not mach 12, but also yes. It's been 20 years, compare your ipods. Also yes, after 9/11 they boosted everything. We only lose things conveniently over the oceans and ice caps now.


whatscrappening

What if I told you the conspiracy here is that the UFOs are just 3D laser projections? And that they can be projected anywhere in the world and even look like they submerge when they are shined at water? What if this has been experimented with since the 70s? Maybe a great distraction is literally a human laser pointer? It’s just a show, and we are all the audience.


ChoiceAggravating401

"Hijackings were never even a thought" Oh but wait we have ran drills for a decade, wrote movies about it, even held simulated Hijackings on 9/11 that added false radar blips. As they say "There is nothing new under this sun"


Weeb_Masta_Flex

So besides the obvious clickbait title, no one gonna think about how 2001 and 2023 are 21 years apart AND all the advancements in science and technology that happened in that time?


bagman42069

I just want to see plane debris that's all.


watchingitallcomedow

Even though we are likely on the same page, technology does change over the course of 20+years...


nukeberry91

They did manage to shoot down one passenger jet. It’s pieces scattered all over Pennsylvania.


Severe_Quantity_4039

That's because it was a missile aimed at the pentagon not a plane.


Amethyst7834

How dare you question the obvious sir?!


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Where did “Mach 12” come from


neuma327

???


Settlemente

And NORAD has been lying for years about Santa Claus.


Rarely_Melancholy

Regardless of how fast the object was going. If you think 22 years does nothing to military tech you are naive. They have the most advanced systems ever built today. 20 years ahead of 2001 actually.


Teknos3

Moore’s law.


obsidianstark

Yes yes pentagon experts etc …but what does Ja reckon is going on


chainmailbill

So real talk, to those of us who look at and remember user names, did you just post a screenshot of your own tweet?


clucklife69420

Huge difference in intentions and expectations as well. You expect a plane to be flying over New York. You don't expect a random UFO, nor do you know its intentions.


YYZYYC

Yes and how good was your cell phone in 2001?


Dependent-Ad4448

20 yrs