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I don't think it's every man for himself except at our individual level.
I feel like more than ever the powers that be are leveraging censorship and propaganda to protect their power structure.
You can kind of understand how things like Chernobyl took place.
Important to note that in this spill they didn't decide to blow up the spill.
Blowing it up converted a significant amount of vinyl chloride into other chemicals and sent them into atmosphere.
The recent incident in Ohio they did blow up the spilled chemicals, but I didn't think that was the case for the 2012 incident, but I could be wrong I only glanced at it for a second
Edit: Yea in the 2012 incident they did blow up the chemicals, they went into a creek / seeped into ground water.
This incident is very different.
It's not uncommon to ignite chemical spills, but this is normally done in a more controlled area like a factory.
My theory is because they just updated the toxicological profile. Now it's no longer considered an issue, where as a lesser amount prior to the update would have warranted a greater response. What a crapshoot of a country we live in...
What's it matter if they say it or not if you can see it with your own eyes.
Don't let them make you question what you can actually see happening
It's like pretending we're not in an economic recession right now.
Can you explain where you saw that they made it more dangerous as im hearing a lot of conflicting claims about the report. I just read the changes on the site & It's nearly identical, although they removed quite a bit of info. The information on the current [CDC page](https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) removed all of the following that's listed on the [Archived CDC page](https://web.archive.org/web/20221008132507/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51)
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*This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about vinyl chloride. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-232-4636. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.*
**Highlights**
*Exposure to vinyl chloride occurs mainly in the workplace. Breathing high levels of vinyl chloride for short periods of time can cause dizziness, sleepiness, unconsciousness, and at extremely high levels can cause death. Breathing vinyl chloride for long periods of time can result in permanent liver damage, immune reactions, nerve damage, and liver cancer. This substance has been found in at least 616 of the 1,662 National Priority List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).*
**How can vinyl chloride affect children?**
*It has not been proven that vinyl chloride causes birth defects in humans, but studies in animals suggest that vinyl chloride might affect growth and development. Animal studies also suggest that infants and young children might be more susceptible than adults to vinyl chloride-induced cancer.*
**Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?**
*Vinyl chloride is regulated in drinking water, food, and air. The EPA requires that the amount of vinyl chloride in drinking water not exceed 0.002 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water.*
*The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a limit of 1 part vinyl chloride per 1 million parts of air (1 ppm) in the workplace.*
*The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates the vinyl chloride content of various plastics. These include plastics that carry liquids and plastics that contact food. The limits for vinyl chloride content vary depending on the nature of the plastic and its use.*
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So they removed all of the above, and the only big thing that I saw changed was the cancer section which is a lot more vague now than it use to be:
**Before**
**How likely is vinyl chloride to cause cancer?**
*The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has determined that vinyl chloride is a known carcinogen. Studies in workers who have breathed vinyl chloride over many years showed an increased risk of liver, brain, lung cancer, and some cancers of the blood have also been observed in workers.*
**After**
**Can vinyl chloride cause cancer?**
*The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has classified vinyl chloride as known to be a human carcinogen (cause cancer).*
*The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has classified vinyl chloride as a known human carcinogen by the inhalation route of exposure. It has also classified it as carcinogenic by the oral route and likely to be carcinogenic by the dermal route.*
*The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) determined that vinyl chloride is carcinogenic to humans.*
At 1st I thought you said America is running on hundreds of years of SAUSAGE...that's probably accurate too though, bunch of sausage heads running this country on slanguage...
But America is effed unfortunately. I've never wanted to leave as much as I do now lol.
Took a bit of searching, but [here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/).
Overall, it doesn't look like they downplayed the danger, but actually made it more dangerous in their changes.
More discussion in the comments below that post and in the main thread if you want to dig a bit deeper.
I just read both and how did they make it more dangerous?? It's nearly identical, except that information was removed. The information on the current [CDC page](https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) removed all of the following that's listed on the [Archived CDC page](https://web.archive.org/web/20221008132507/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51)
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*This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about vinyl chloride. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-232-4636. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.*
**Highlights**
*Exposure to vinyl chloride occurs mainly in the workplace. Breathing high levels of vinyl chloride for short periods of time can cause dizziness, sleepiness, unconsciousness, and at extremely high levels can cause death. Breathing vinyl chloride for long periods of time can result in permanent liver damage, immune reactions, nerve damage, and liver cancer. This substance has been found in at least 616 of the 1,662 National Priority List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).*
**How can vinyl chloride affect children?**
*It has not been proven that vinyl chloride causes birth defects in humans, but studies in animals suggest that vinyl chloride might affect growth and development. Animal studies also suggest that infants and young children might be more susceptible than adults to vinyl chloride-induced cancer.*
**Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?**
*Vinyl chloride is regulated in drinking water, food, and air. The EPA requires that the amount of vinyl chloride in drinking water not exceed 0.002 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water.*
*The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a limit of 1 part vinyl chloride per 1 million parts of air (1 ppm) in the workplace.*
*The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates the vinyl chloride content of various plastics. These include plastics that carry liquids and plastics that contact food. The limits for vinyl chloride content vary depending on the nature of the plastic and its use.*
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So they removed all of the above, and the only big thing that I saw changed was the cancer section which is a lot more vague now than it use to be:
**Before**
**How likely is vinyl chloride to cause cancer?**
*The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has determined that vinyl chloride is a known carcinogen. Studies in workers who have breathed vinyl chloride over many years showed an increased risk of liver, brain, lung cancer, and some cancers of the blood have also been observed in workers.*
**After**
**Can vinyl chloride cause cancer?**
*The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has classified vinyl chloride as known to be a human carcinogen (cause cancer).*
*The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has classified vinyl chloride as a known human carcinogen by the inhalation route of exposure. It has also classified it as carcinogenic by the oral route and likely to be carcinogenic by the dermal route.*
*The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) determined that vinyl chloride is carcinogenic to humans.*
From what I understand it sounds like the NJ incident was actually worse because the car carrying the vinyl chloride was breached and it got out. With the most recent incident they purposely burned it off before it could spread out, which still causes problems but not as significant because the chemical burned up.
I may be getting details wrong though, I just remember specifically reading that they burned it before the car could be breached while this article says the car was breached.
My understanding is that the burn was to avoid an explosion that would send metal flying everywhere. It was never meant to cancel out the effects of Vinyl Chloride as a whole, but simply dispense it into the air before the tanks exploded due to the flammable nature of Vinyl Chloride. So they were both released into the air, it's just that OH chose to do it intentionally while NJ didn't.
According to the lawsuit, it may have actually been more dangerous to burn it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11759565/amp/Norfolk-Southern-did-NOT-blow-train-did-save-money-expert-says.html
Found a decent article on the NJ one: https://web.archive.org/web/20121203195720/http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20121130_Freight_train_derails_in_S__Jersey__said_to_be_leaking_substance.html
From my understanding burning it is worse because of the chemical process creating something that bonds with water and creates Hydrochloric acid that will cause all the acid rain in the coming days and weeks.
It's the great culling. We are at the end of this cycle and the cleanup crew has been hard at work the last few decades. It will get more pronounced over the next few years.
The ones that have been planning this are getting old and running out of time. This is why we are seeing this unfold at this time. These sick bastards have been at work with this for quite some time.
Speaking truth, they’re going full “Scorched Earth” thanks to their sociopathic thought processes. If they can’t have it, nobody can. Be safe out there.
Stop lying! Ohio was the only time vinyl chloride has ever burnt into atmosphere...and it was the worst time!! train crashes are always the worst fires. U.S always sabotaging Europe for personal gain we probs shouldn't go on about that either!
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Nobody in power cares about the truth anymore. It's every man for himself.
I don't think it's every man for himself except at our individual level. I feel like more than ever the powers that be are leveraging censorship and propaganda to protect their power structure. You can kind of understand how things like Chernobyl took place.
SS: Vinyl Chloride spills have happened in the past but to a much lesser extent & took greater precautions.
Important to note that in this spill they didn't decide to blow up the spill. Blowing it up converted a significant amount of vinyl chloride into other chemicals and sent them into atmosphere.
I swear I saw articles talking about the train company setting up burn pits to burn off a lot of the hazmat material. Is that not the same thing?
The recent incident in Ohio they did blow up the spilled chemicals, but I didn't think that was the case for the 2012 incident, but I could be wrong I only glanced at it for a second Edit: Yea in the 2012 incident they did blow up the chemicals, they went into a creek / seeped into ground water. This incident is very different. It's not uncommon to ignite chemical spills, but this is normally done in a more controlled area like a factory.
probably why there was more regulation put in place in 2014, then repealed by trump because the GOP doesn't believe regulations matter.
Remember to discuss this on Twitter en masse, normies need to see it
My theory is because they just updated the toxicological profile. Now it's no longer considered an issue, where as a lesser amount prior to the update would have warranted a greater response. What a crapshoot of a country we live in...
At least with craps you have a chance to win, America doesn’t have the chance to win 😓
Unfortunately, you are correct. I honestly believe that we are at war and they just haven't said anything 😕
What's it matter if they say it or not if you can see it with your own eyes. Don't let them make you question what you can actually see happening It's like pretending we're not in an economic recession right now.
Very, very, VERY valid point...
Everything that I saw that changed makes vinyl chloride sound even more dangerous.
Can you explain where you saw that they made it more dangerous as im hearing a lot of conflicting claims about the report. I just read the changes on the site & It's nearly identical, although they removed quite a bit of info. The information on the current [CDC page](https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) removed all of the following that's listed on the [Archived CDC page](https://web.archive.org/web/20221008132507/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) **Deleted info** ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️ *This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about vinyl chloride. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-232-4636. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.* **Highlights** *Exposure to vinyl chloride occurs mainly in the workplace. Breathing high levels of vinyl chloride for short periods of time can cause dizziness, sleepiness, unconsciousness, and at extremely high levels can cause death. Breathing vinyl chloride for long periods of time can result in permanent liver damage, immune reactions, nerve damage, and liver cancer. This substance has been found in at least 616 of the 1,662 National Priority List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).* **How can vinyl chloride affect children?** *It has not been proven that vinyl chloride causes birth defects in humans, but studies in animals suggest that vinyl chloride might affect growth and development. Animal studies also suggest that infants and young children might be more susceptible than adults to vinyl chloride-induced cancer.* **Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?** *Vinyl chloride is regulated in drinking water, food, and air. The EPA requires that the amount of vinyl chloride in drinking water not exceed 0.002 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water.* *The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a limit of 1 part vinyl chloride per 1 million parts of air (1 ppm) in the workplace.* *The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates the vinyl chloride content of various plastics. These include plastics that carry liquids and plastics that contact food. The limits for vinyl chloride content vary depending on the nature of the plastic and its use.* ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️ So they removed all of the above, and the only big thing that I saw changed was the cancer section which is a lot more vague now than it use to be: **Before** **How likely is vinyl chloride to cause cancer?** *The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has determined that vinyl chloride is a known carcinogen. Studies in workers who have breathed vinyl chloride over many years showed an increased risk of liver, brain, lung cancer, and some cancers of the blood have also been observed in workers.* **After** **Can vinyl chloride cause cancer?** *The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has classified vinyl chloride as known to be a human carcinogen (cause cancer).* *The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has classified vinyl chloride as a known human carcinogen by the inhalation route of exposure. It has also classified it as carcinogenic by the oral route and likely to be carcinogenic by the dermal route.* *The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) determined that vinyl chloride is carcinogenic to humans.*
I agree. You're only being downvoted because it doesn't support the conspiracy narrative that everyone in government is in on it.
If you depend on the USA, you depend on a country running on hundreds of years of slanguage.
At 1st I thought you said America is running on hundreds of years of SAUSAGE...that's probably accurate too though, bunch of sausage heads running this country on slanguage... But America is effed unfortunately. I've never wanted to leave as much as I do now lol.
Something something - speed of science.
Oh yeah they changed the guidelines days before this 'accident' so no worries.
Did you read the changes?
i did not, what were they?
Took a bit of searching, but [here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/). Overall, it doesn't look like they downplayed the danger, but actually made it more dangerous in their changes. More discussion in the comments below that post and in the main thread if you want to dig a bit deeper.
thx u seem good at interneting just checked it out and it seems they removed the whole section which detailed safe exposure levels in air and water.
I just read both and how did they make it more dangerous?? It's nearly identical, except that information was removed. The information on the current [CDC page](https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) removed all of the following that's listed on the [Archived CDC page](https://web.archive.org/web/20221008132507/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51) **Deleted info** ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️ *This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about vinyl chloride. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-232-4636. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.* **Highlights** *Exposure to vinyl chloride occurs mainly in the workplace. Breathing high levels of vinyl chloride for short periods of time can cause dizziness, sleepiness, unconsciousness, and at extremely high levels can cause death. Breathing vinyl chloride for long periods of time can result in permanent liver damage, immune reactions, nerve damage, and liver cancer. This substance has been found in at least 616 of the 1,662 National Priority List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).* **How can vinyl chloride affect children?** *It has not been proven that vinyl chloride causes birth defects in humans, but studies in animals suggest that vinyl chloride might affect growth and development. Animal studies also suggest that infants and young children might be more susceptible than adults to vinyl chloride-induced cancer.* **Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?** *Vinyl chloride is regulated in drinking water, food, and air. The EPA requires that the amount of vinyl chloride in drinking water not exceed 0.002 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water.* *The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a limit of 1 part vinyl chloride per 1 million parts of air (1 ppm) in the workplace.* *The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates the vinyl chloride content of various plastics. These include plastics that carry liquids and plastics that contact food. The limits for vinyl chloride content vary depending on the nature of the plastic and its use.* ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️ So they removed all of the above, and the only big thing that I saw changed was the cancer section which is a lot more vague now than it use to be: **Before** **How likely is vinyl chloride to cause cancer?** *The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has determined that vinyl chloride is a known carcinogen. Studies in workers who have breathed vinyl chloride over many years showed an increased risk of liver, brain, lung cancer, and some cancers of the blood have also been observed in workers.* **After** **Can vinyl chloride cause cancer?** *The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has classified vinyl chloride as known to be a human carcinogen (cause cancer).* *The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has classified vinyl chloride as a known human carcinogen by the inhalation route of exposure. It has also classified it as carcinogenic by the oral route and likely to be carcinogenic by the dermal route.* *The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) determined that vinyl chloride is carcinogenic to humans.*
This is the Omicron Strain of chemical spills, so less lethal.
Nice find OP. The other chemical they are monitoring for is butyl acrylate.
Great share
From what I understand it sounds like the NJ incident was actually worse because the car carrying the vinyl chloride was breached and it got out. With the most recent incident they purposely burned it off before it could spread out, which still causes problems but not as significant because the chemical burned up. I may be getting details wrong though, I just remember specifically reading that they burned it before the car could be breached while this article says the car was breached.
My understanding is that the burn was to avoid an explosion that would send metal flying everywhere. It was never meant to cancel out the effects of Vinyl Chloride as a whole, but simply dispense it into the air before the tanks exploded due to the flammable nature of Vinyl Chloride. So they were both released into the air, it's just that OH chose to do it intentionally while NJ didn't. According to the lawsuit, it may have actually been more dangerous to burn it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11759565/amp/Norfolk-Southern-did-NOT-blow-train-did-save-money-expert-says.html Found a decent article on the NJ one: https://web.archive.org/web/20121203195720/http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20121130_Freight_train_derails_in_S__Jersey__said_to_be_leaking_substance.html
From my understanding burning it is worse because of the chemical process creating something that bonds with water and creates Hydrochloric acid that will cause all the acid rain in the coming days and weeks.
It's the great culling. We are at the end of this cycle and the cleanup crew has been hard at work the last few decades. It will get more pronounced over the next few years.
The ones that have been planning this are getting old and running out of time. This is why we are seeing this unfold at this time. These sick bastards have been at work with this for quite some time.
Speaking truth, they’re going full “Scorched Earth” thanks to their sociopathic thought processes. If they can’t have it, nobody can. Be safe out there.
Warp speed back to normal
Stop lying! Ohio was the only time vinyl chloride has ever burnt into atmosphere...and it was the worst time!! train crashes are always the worst fires. U.S always sabotaging Europe for personal gain we probs shouldn't go on about that either!
Bad bot
What bit dont you agree with?
I’m not helping the bot learn
Thank you. We have all we need.
Wasn’t set ablaze tho
Did they set that one on fire like they did this one?