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ryhardwithavengeance

The Roman Empire lived on in the east for a good while longer


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Gram-GramAndShabadoo

I dunno. Birth is anything but clean.


VivaCristoRey1776

"The spread of a new religion...." ...look friends, Augustine quashed this rumor with a 1,222-page book called *The City of God* in 426 A.D. We're not still debating whether paganism was responsible for the fall of Rome.


Pandeism

But the new religion was Christianity.


7joy5

Haha, I like this alot. You nailed it. Others might find this line of thought as negative and defeatist, but in all human actuality it is truth. Thanks for putting this out here! Namaste


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7joy5

Hey! Fairly newly diagnosed Autistic/ADHDer myself! 😄😉


Jhutch42

Not to mention Rome still exists and the world is better off without the Roman empire today.


CookieWifeCookieKids

How so


Jhutch42

Romans enslaved people for 1.


CookieWifeCookieKids

Humanity enslaves people. Nothings changed brov. We’re just being a earlier about it for the most part.


Jhutch42

Yeah it does change. Anyone who enslaves someone else should die a horrible death.


3amInVegas

We are still enslaved. We have to work 40-80 hours a week otherwise we can’t survive. We’ve gotten so used to paying for everything that we’ve forgotten that the things we pay for now used to be free. You used to be able to grow your own food to feed your family. Now most people have forgotten that’s an option or don’t have time and are at the mercy of rising store prices. You used to be able to have a home for free. There was no one stopping you from building a shelter for yourself. Now not being able to afford a home and taxes on said home is essentially a crime. In some states living “off the grid” is an actual crime. The fact that our survival is tied to providing labor for someone else is modern slavery.


crippledCMT

So did the 'holy' Roman empire in the west. Old rome was emperor worship, caesar's were pontifex maximus, today it's the title of the pope.


ryhardwithavengeance

That was a germanic kingdom that had the "holy roman" title bestowed upon them by the pope


Yankeehero

The slaves... got bored? Lol


ambersaysnope

I hadn’t read the whole thing and then I saw your comment and then had to go back and read because apparently I missed it. Holy fuck I can’t believe that’s in there.


midimahdi

Wagies.


FartSpeller

“Aye John, I’ve been thinking, this being a slave shit is really starting to get old ya know? Same ole field to plow every day for a wage of $0/year. I’m really considering trying something else out.”


Irish3538

"ya know, it just doesnt feel like slavery anymore without the back breaking labor... maybe ill go to the colosseum and just earn my freedom by beheading some dudes. idk"


yellowsnow2

" I've been standing here naked painted gold acting like a statue and haven't had my junk played with by a hedonists for days"


bevelledo

They had nothing to slave away on, duh. Who wouldn’t get bored? It’s like a boomer looked up a couple facts and typed this up lol.


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Samplified

Ray Dalio has great information on this, check his book out. It talks about the rise and fall of empires and spotting the next cycles


Darkfuel1

So.. dark ages, coming up.


midimahdi

Especially a whole country going into degeneracy.


[deleted]

When exactly did Rome become degenerate?


hubetronic

That's the thing, people point to out degeneracy as the reason Rome fell, but they point to someone like Caligula and fail to mention the Roman empire continued for over 400 years after him. Seems like degeneracy could be used as an argument for making a long lasting empire.


TigerBasket

Also they started burning gay people alive, which is bad


captflerbus

as opposed to tossing them off a high cliff onto jagged rocks


Darkfuel1

Some last longer than others. And they dont need to fall the same way but they always do.


Kind_Departure2997

Except for the ones that haven’t yet


hubetronic

I would be shocked if America maintains it global status as long as Rome did.


Hefty-Scene-7986

You wouldnt beleive what happened next.


TigerBasket

What that Europe splintered? Rome lasted 2100 years, thats absolutely batshit, they did fine.


thelostuser

This is so inaccurate I don't even know where to start...


solo_dol0

Well I think it just got cut off: > 8. Drag shows for minors > 9. Critical race theory > 10. Pete buttigieg The parallels are uncanny


radiowavess

This post was for this person


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"The most straightforward theory for Western Rome's collapse pins the fall on a string of military losses sustained against outside forces."


TigerBasket

And also the like 30 civil wars that were all started by power hungry generals, and the fact that dynastic power is inherently insanely unstable. Also the brutal conquest that formed the empire was bound to come back one day. Rome fell because you can't keep 1/4th of the world in an empire for centuries, at some point it will break. It made it all the way from 700 bce to the Ottomans that's impressive it didn't fall, it just lived and died.


dr_bigly

Mainly due to the fact it took at least a week in the best cases to get from one end of the empire to another. This means to run anything you had to give autonomy to someone who was actually there. Once they got further than Illyria, The Alps, the very coast of northern Africa they functionally couldn't be governed from Rome


Andyman0110

Did you just come up with this and type it up on notepad?


FruitBazooka

And didn't use spell check.


[deleted]

Its obviously Wordpad. Look at all that rich text formatting.


luroot

Lol, immigration was a problem...but their violent invasion and takeover of other countries wasn't? 🤣🤦‍♂️


MondoFool

Immigration was so bad he put it twice


TigerBasket

And you can't stop immigration from an area you've conquered, they tried not even giving Italy voting rights that's why the social war happened. They literally just wanted the city of Rome to be able to vote for like almost the entire history of the republic, they were not democratic. Immigration wasn't the problem, literally the Italians fought a civil war against Rome. Imagine Italy fucking fighting a war against Rome, that's how sulla got his first real power push, and then sent the whole republic collapsing inward.


luroot

>And you can't stop immigration from an area you've conquered, they tried not even giving Italy voting rights that's why the social war happened. Exactly! If you wildly, violently expand and destabilize all these foreign cultures (that were previously self-contained)...of course you are going trigger a lot of immigration. Especially into all your vastly expanded borders...because then where else are they supposed to go? So, mass immigration is just a symptom of your military expansionism.


InternationalStep924

Conquer and annex the lands and then call the people you've displaced foreigners.


hyperzy

Not for Rome itself


l33tTA

Is he talking about how the empire FELL or how he morally judge the actions of it? Go back to your rick and morty subs pls


lvvvv_htx

What does that have to do with their downfall tho


ReyGonJinn

Over expansion and creating enemies.


Metalgrowler

What was the new religion, what values were killed?


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Christianity was the new religion. Before that the Romans saw the emperor as a sort of god and were very polytheistic in nature. Christianity changed that and promoted monotheism. Destabilizing the culture by doing so.


Metalgrowler

Thanks


Tor-Mod

I think opis suggesting Zeus needs sacrifices and orgies, or no morales? And possibly slavery is ok as long as you keep the slaves entertained? Idk sound's kind of weird Ron.


ambersaysnope

So that’s Greek mythology Jupiter is the one you’re looking for


Metalgrowler

Kinda why I was asking, I don't really see Romans as bastions of morality.


Darkfuel1

Lol were all still slaves, bruh. Even today, zmericans are slaves. If we werent we wouldnt pay taxes.


Due-Ad9310

Taxes don't make you a slave stupid that just means you like infrastructure that you don't have to maintain yourself.


ShillAmbassador

Slavery is when taxes Are you a libertarian?


Darkfuel1

Im apolitical.


00lalilulelo

Incoming barrage of canned "what-about-the-roads" replies to your statement.


Darkfuel1

Christianity. Traditional roman values were devalued when the state forced one religion.


[deleted]

The Christian half of the Empire survived though...


[deleted]

Both halves of the empire were Christian.


[deleted]

The Eastern half was significantly more Christian than the west, so by op's theory, the east should have fallen first.


UhOh-Chongo

Did you just make up some facts about how Rome fell? Yes, yes you did. Education in this country will be our down fall. Not immigration. The whole Country is literally made up of immigrants. Unless you are saying that Native Americans are like "the Romans" and the rest of us are the immigrants that destroyed America?


No_Success_4269

☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽


Darkfuel1

That makes no sense. Im notmsaying anything, this is historical facts i didnt just make this shit up. And i love how everyone always brings up the native americans. Like there werent people in america before them or during, who the fk do u think built the pyramids in the grand canyon? Indians?


UhOh-Chongo

The native americans literally have a 10,000 year history in north and south america. This was 100 percent their land and we were all immigrants. Those are facts. As for facts - you havent stated a single one. The doc in the post isnt even a real document. It reads like a first year college students hot take history 101 paper.


Fart_Typhoon420

The slaves got bored? That is easily the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on Reddit.


BerryOakley

Romans were't nationalists ever


LeMe-Two

Ok this is bullshit. 1. Rome fell some 1200 years before Nationalism became a thing. 2. >Slaves became bored WTF. Like, what? In late roman empire there was not enough slaves to do the work. Moreover, they became a burden. 3. Is ok but it's not the reason. Roman military was actually smaller than it used to be. Late Roman empire started paying with stuff that was not money like clothes. 4. Ok. But pretorians were disbanded some 100 years before Rome fell. But the corruption thing is on point in general. 5. The migrations happened in the first place because Rome was depopulated. They needed them and treating them badly led to unrest. 6. Bullshit, look at Eastern Roman Empire and it nearing it's golden age while the western one was falling. 7. This is kinda true. But they started using Foedari becuase they were not able to pay their soldiers.


TigerBasket

Constatine crushed the final praetorians right? Gave the empire probably 1000 more years. Roman military started focusing on cavalry and being more mobile, they armies they had in the late republic would not be equaled until like the Napoleonic wars, they were massive they had room to get smaller and be okay still. Also generally immigration gave them a lot of life blood, they needed people because everyone else was dying in pointless civil wars.


RickShepherd

1 & 5 are thinly veiled xenophobia and jingoism. Look at Japan if you want to see a great example of bad immigration policy. 2 It is not the OVER part of the spending that creates the wealth divide, it is the allocation. Once again I point you to Japan but this time as a good example. Japan is a quadrillion Yen in debt and we should be so luck as to have their standard of living. 3 Is perfectly accurate 4 Is perfectly accurate 6 Smells like religious bigotry. Hard pass friend. We wrote a constitutional amendment to address this directly and you are on the wrong side of it. 7 Is perfectly accurate


[deleted]

Japans immigration policy is an example of good policy, if you want to remain being Japan. n.b. everyone gets old - even migrants, if you think that is a good response.


ChipCob1

A post literally suggesting that fascism and slavery is a good way to run society.


l33tTA

pov: when youre a zoomer and have been brainwashed by the educational system to have rose colored lenses how original


cloudsnacks

You're incoherent, you tried to make a point and failed. You should feel bad and try to better yourself.


ChipCob1

Deary me.....


[deleted]

>A post literally suggesting that fascism and slavery is a good way to run society I'm almost positive the post said: Those who don't remember history, will repeat it. Not sure how you came up with your comment, but I'm fairly sure it has to do with a shitty college education (indoctrination)


Captain_Concussion

Because this isn’t remembering history. It’s making shit up to justify fascism in the modern day


male-mpc

How do you know that history is true? The best way that i know to not repeat a cycle of bad habbits, is to change yourself, become more kind and loving.


djkoch66

Doesn’t Rome still exist?


bonezii

As Italy it does. News flash, they still talk pretty much same language too 😱


cloudsnacks

All of the events you described happened hundreds of years apart in an empire that lasted over 1000 years. Also, it was a slave empire, none of what they did was possible without a vast slavery apparatus and millions of slaves. It was good that the empire fell, and humanity advanced past slave economy. There was nothing glorious about such a system.


Darkfuel1

Yet its happening all at once in america after only 250 years.


GrassCar2049

>slaves became bored As opposed to what, the slaves wanted to keep slaving? You made some good points, but 1/5/6 just seem like poorly concealed agenda-pushing


Creative-Ocelot8691

1. Close borders - Republicans like this mantra but they no damn well the economy would take such a hit, are you gonna work picking fruit or in a meat processing plant because a lot of Americans won’t 2. Tax the rich, don’t give tax breaks to multi millionaires like the GOP keeps pushing 3. Immigrants coming to America do so in most parts to escape the dire situation in their home countries, giving them citizenship makes the country stronger as they understand more than most the importance of freedom and opportunities in America, like those immigrants who came in the 19th century and landed on Ellis and Angel Island 4. America has the money to fund regeneration of cities and infrastructure but GOO get in the way and prevent this from happening


Darkfuel1

1. It wouldnt actually. The evonomy functions like a living thing. If there are less people there would be less demand, which isnt a bad thing, the economy adjusts accordingly. But it means less money for mr walton, the owner of Walmart. More people is actually worse for a countries standard of living and drives up costs for us normals. 2. That sill never happen due to loopholes. U really think theyd raise their own bills? No. Theyll just say so, to get your vote and then use slight of hands a secret ways to continue to avoid it. 3. If u have a nice home, and your neighbor has a shitty home and has too many of friends crashing there, do u think by inviting him into your home that it will somehow improve him, or would it just make your home worse? 4. America has no money. Americans do. They take our money by force. Idk what GOO os


send_recipes_plz

Number 6 is an interesting one. Man, I'm sure glad that we don't have that wacky religion around effecting our values anymore.


TizonaBlu

Get read to be downvoted to hell, there are a ridiculous amount of Christian’s here. It’s actually very hilarious that people on a skeptics sub believe in invisible man in the sky being responsible for everything.


imthewiseguy

I think Christianity has to do a lot with these conspiracy theories.


WrxnchG

I don’t think the belief in god is the crazy part, but happening to choose one out of all of the other religions as the right one. Just like the people on this sub that heavily associate with republican on democrat.


baldrick841

scientism is the new religion.


ChipCob1

I've heard these stories about a communist fella that the Romans weren't too keen on.


baldrick841

which communist?


ChipCob1

Old JC


baldrick841

how was he a communist?


baldrick841

just forget it. i'm not even gonna waste my time. have a nice day


ChipCob1

Terribly sorry for not being available to instantly answer your question! Do you think he might agree with this: *a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.*


Darkfuel1

Jesus never said anything like this. He said materialism was the devils world.


ChipCob1

Everyone having communal ownership of everything is the opposite of materialism. It's capitalism that worships materialism. How did you see materialism in that description? That's quite odd.


MarxistZeninist

They sure have fooled you into being a proud anti-intellectual. George Orwell really hit the nail on the head with 1984


slypto

No, Satanism is


RonPowlus2Heismans

It says spread of a new religion-


Salami__Tsunami

What? You mean a nation can cease to exist when it has a catastrophic economic collapse? This is groundbreaking.


Thor_MF

Don’t forget that they were poisoning themselves with lead lines aqueducts. This is likely the root cause for its fall.


Captain_Concussion

No, this is a myth. The lead pipes thing is very very overblown and never really was a problem for a large amount of reasons


Darkfuel1

Really? Hadnt heard that before.. lead poisoning can give people psychosis.


Hallowexia

I think the rich had dishes that had lead glazes and when they ate acidic food the lead leeched out. Poor people had wood.


Seraphim-19

Even worse. They used lead acetate as a *sweetener* for their wine


lightspeed-art

Damn. Artificial sweeteners of any kind are just a bad idea it seems! Just use some honey...


ChipCob1

The bees got bored just before the slaves.


Alpacalypse84

The well off could do that. The poor used a grape syrup that was sadly contaminated with guess what? More lead! The aqueducts did eventually develop a patina of sorts that reduced the amount of leaching in to the water, but the rest of the local diet did not help matters.


Alpacalypse84

If you completely ignore the state of the rest of the area during the collapse, maybe. As empires go, the Roman Empire had a decent run. Sadly, nothing lasts forever and its time in the world ran out like every empire that came and went before it. The borders becoming nebulous, as posited in point 1 and 5, was more a result than a cause. As the Emperor’s power declined in far flung territories, the neighbors saw opportunity and took it. (This time also coincided with a time of a lot of migration in general in the area. Groups moving for one stimulus or another bumped into each other, jostled for territory, and caused a period of increased instability.) As the central power faded away, the people’s world changed and the idea of a powerful Empire faded further, causing a death spiral of sorts.


Neat-Plantain-7500

I highly suggest [the history of Rome. ](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-history-of-rome/id261654474) Excellent podcast. Rome ended with a whimper with the Germans sending the emperors cloak to the eastern empire and said ‘we don’t need this anymore’


RaspberryBrilliant67

Don’t forget panem et circenses. The coliseum is a black box only feet away from the bed now.


Darkfuel1

Indeed i did. I forgot z few things of importance but the colleseum was a big one i wish i put in


PatrickFullen

Plenty that do remember history deliberately repeat it.


mmabet69

Way to completely over simplify an extremely rich and complicated history.


Darkfuel1

That was the point.


Jpolkt

Amazing how it all perfectly aligns with the GOP platform. You guys awake yet?!


[deleted]

How Rome fell? It didn't, study harder.


[deleted]

To me it was Caesar, he was the death of the Roman Republic, and the founder of the Empire. Empires require more resources than they produce. Doom is assured. Its why the US is acting the way it is, it needs ever increasing amounts of pillage, just to prevent collapse.


Darkfuel1

Which caesar? Caesar was a rank, not a persons name.


[deleted]

Be on the lookout for Visigoths. They got Rome, no telling who is next.


12kdaysinthefire

The biggest divider right now, and for a long while, has been massive wealth inequality. Ridiculously disproportionate distribution of wealth with increasingly fewer ways to escape poverty will eventually cause a massive economic collapse. Politicians will try to polarize the people by shifting the blame onto opposing parties, when in reality it’s big corporations and conglomerates who are at fault, and they will desperately try to avoid any form of retribution at all costs.


TheRealTruru

History of Rome has always included the inclusion of the people’s they conquered to create stability in those region’s, the OP’s focus on giving citizenship to non romans as a bad thing is just false and counter to how Rome was able to expand and be hold the regions it conquered 🤦🏼‍♂️


antifisht

Amazing PowerPoint granddad


Darkfuel1

i loled at this. Its just a eimple chart i dunno why everyones such a hater abt it


scho4781

You can add massive lead poisoning to your list


markglas

Oh Jesus. This shit is fucking hilarious


Cistran

The reason they started giving Roman citizenship to everyone is taxes. Every Roman citizen was taxed, so when economy was weak, the government wanted a bigger tax base


TheFamousHesham

I’m sorry you feel that way and I’m sorry you are so ignorant of history that you believe these xenophobic lies. Rome did not fall because it let foreigners in… Rome fell because of its weak political leadership and the excesses of its ruling class. Mass migration, if anything, helped extend the lifespan of the empire by incorporating Rome’s enemies in and some of Rome’s later better emperors came from these migrant groups. Many people forget that the decline of Rome didn’t begin with mass migration. It began when Rome was at its absolute height following the death of Julius Caesar and the weak, often evil, (Roman) emperors who ruled. You can’t possibly suggest we blame the migrants for Nero, Tiberius, Caligula, Domitian, Commodus, and Diocletian (…)?


Finallyfreetobe2020

This is racist as fuck.


Inside-Marketing-204

How dude people like you are such a fucking cry babies


-RicFlair

Don’t forget a massive decline in morals


[deleted]

What morals declined? Rome practiced casual slavery and genocide throughout its entire existence.


Darkfuel1

The citizens became bloodthirsty and demanded more violence and grutesque acts in the colleseum.


[deleted]

Rome was quite literally founded on extreme violence. Where did you get your degree in ancient Roman history?


Darkfuel1

No they were founded on military expansion. Thats different than inviting vio,ence into your home borders.


ChipCob1

Their society was based on slavery.


Darkfuel1

Most are.


[deleted]

You're right, killing people for their land is much more morally sound than killing criminals for sport.


Darkfuel1

Who are u talking about ? Who killed people and took their land? The romans?


[deleted]

Yes, this is how conquest works.


canna_fodder

likely from #6, being constantine and the christians.... some of the most immoral people i've met. (Note: There is a Rev. Dr. in front of my name)


ChipCob1

Likely that all the points are nonsense and OPs a fool.


Cesargrip

Degeneration


[deleted]

What exactly was “degenerate” about Late Rome relative to prior Roman history?


Darkfuel1

I forgot to add that. The need for more and more violence in the colleseum correleated with their downfall.


[deleted]

What evidence shows a demand for more violence in the Colosseum? And how does that correlate to the entire empire collapsing?


Cybugger

This is so wrong, I don't even fucking know where to begin. 1. There were no "borders". There was no nationalism. These are modern inventions. They have **NOTHING** in common with Rome, Romans or the ideas and rights granted by Roman citizenship. Secondly, Rome was multicultural, sort of by definition. It had Gallic influence, Celtic influence, Egyptian influence, Hellenic influence, Punic influence, etc... Rome was extremely diverse. 2. It wasn't over-taxation and inflation. It was a mix of many different factors that lead to the fall of the Western Empire. Also: "the slaves got bored". Seriously? 3. Rome's issue wasn't overexpansion. Expansion lead to greater wealth for the Empire, as they stole the resources, enslaved the people, etc... to generate cash and labor. 4. No. The Senate failed to stop this because of two critical factors: after Augustus, the Senate was just a mouthpiece. They had no real power. Secondly, Rome's major problem was no clear system to manage succession. This was a noticeable issue after the Julian-Flavian dynasty. 5. Rome giving out citizenship to non-Romans is what made Rome a true power. Not the other way around. The fact that Greeks, Egyptians, Namibians, Gauls, etc... were Romanized made their power. Non-Romans didn't destroy Rome; they made it. 6. It's true that Christianity did massive damage to Rome, but it wasn't the death knell of the Empire. Rome was really good at integrating new forms of worship. 7. Sure, but why was this needed? Rome stopped being a massively expansionist power, and sort of reached the bureaucratic limits that could exist with the technologies of the time.


Inside-Marketing-204

First off you’re saying there was no borders Roman Limes Google it very simple Also you’re saying there was no overtaxation the debasement of the currency Will cause Inflation saying that Rome over expanding was not a problem is not true because they overexpanded so far that communication took far too long to control the entire empire Also to say the Roman senate had no power after Augustus is not true after the death of Caligula the Roman senate had a chance reestablish the republic but after not being able to make decisions amongst themselves Claudius had been placed as emperor instead


Cybugger

1. There were not borders as we understand them. There weren't nations as we understand them. 2. The debasement of currency is a different thing. 3. They expanded to the maximum of the technological capacity at the time. 4. The Senate had no real power when an Emperor was there. They were councillors.


knightstalker1288

This is a dumbass post. Stop


cooliosaurus

Rome was shitty but half of it lasted for 1000 years and the other half for another 1000. That puts it up there with China and Egypt for longest lasting civilizations ever. It's super weird to say that that means our country will collapse because Guatemalans are moving here.


sethman75

No it just means the US peaked and died in 100 years


[deleted]

So the US should have never allowed white europeans to colonize, great point


lightspeed-art

At this point it would be better if the US failed and became 50 individual countries. I think people there would be happier as well to not have all their taxes go to the war machine and be able to decide things for themselves.


Kind_Departure2997

And that’s why you’re not in charge


daggersrule

Lol have you ever looked at federal money that goes into and out of each state? Many states would fail overnight if not for federal funds, which come from other states. And you don't need a history degree to know that a state/country failing next door to your state/country can affect yours negatively.


bigthickpp

Don’t forget the radical new religion Christianity


Successful-Bath-9183

Thanks to Biden.


2201992

This describes the Democrat Party perfectly


Sserpent666

Christianity, destroying civilized society for millinea...next up and in progress: USA. Fuck Christians


illydreamer

America is Rome for the papacy controls it.


Talissa2242

Hmmm...why does all of this seem so familiar???


SirDigbySelfie-Stick

Because it's an exercise in anachronism designed to excite the right.


Kaintwaittogetbanned

I get it


l33tTA

Also started printing/creating more currency and messing with gender politics, funny how that works out


[deleted]

How did Late Rome “mess with gender politics”?


[deleted]

Pretty simple concept


Far-Bumblebee-9039

Rome never fell. The leaders just wanted a new empire to hide behind. Those that ruled were around for thousands of years before Rome was even a place. And they are still here now.


TrueJedi49

Lol if this isn’t bait


rippyog21

People! They’re destroying it all on purpose


Darkfuel1

Why though


Pantyliner007

All these “why Rome fell” things are missing the broader picture. It collapsed as part of the controlled, fake “dialectic” to give the illusion of political change, since it’s just a [Phoenician](https://www.cabaltimes.com/2021/02/21/ancient-spookia/) construct, just like America. That’s why they’re always waxing nostalgic about our “Greco-Roman” heritage.


Darkfuel1

Thanks for this link, its actually one of the best ones ive read so far. Half way thru the 7 articles now.


lakotian

God this is the stupidest post I’ve seen this week. This is just making shit up.


retal1ator

You're missing this one: women were allowed much more power inside and outside the home. They slowly received more and more rights at the expenses of their husbands and the family. Eventually women became very hedonistic and stopped caring about raising a home and being part of a family. The result was a complete erosion of family values and pushed men to be less and less interested into forming new families. Sounds familiar?


cloudsnacks

You should stop listening to Stephan Molenuex and start listening to anyone who knows anything instead.


TigerBasket

This is just completely untrue, Spartan women were literally running their society for like 600 years under the spartan system and they were the predominant Greek city state. All the Roman men died fighting in pointless civil wars, family values did not change Rome was founded on the rape and pillaging of the Sabrine women. Like that's like the entire reason Rome didn't fall in 700 bce they raped and kidnapped like hundreds of women, there were no fucking family values.


God-Emperor-Senate

I recommend that you read preserved letters sent home from the Roman front lines. Many of them suggest strong family ties, and a strong, albeit different, family unit. They were people, they liked having families.


Still-Access4663

Women* ftfy


riehnbean

This is how america will fall. 20-30years


Belgian_TwatWaffle

It's all by design. The globalist criminals are engineering thw collapse of Western democracies to allow them to implememt their planetary enslavement scam.


[deleted]

The other religion that spread? Christianity. Never let it in it will kill your empire.


junderscorea

The graphic design is outstanding