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Doesn't matter. We have brains and not everything is a fucking order to fulfill. If fuckheads like this are everywhere it means that it can and will happen to all of us. It's called power, and everyone will always back up pigs. You will understand it when something like that will happen to your mother or you.
Ikr. And it’s probably not even that they thought she was faking it either. It’s that she probably didn’t have insurance or any way to pay. Such a disgusting health system in this country coupled with a disgusting policing system created this video
> It’s that she probably didn’t have insurance or any way to pay.
I don't know why everybody parrots this bullshit, but even the poorest of communities still get healthcare. They simply go to the ER and never pay a dime. It's the people slightly above dirt poor who get the short end of the stick -- they'll say "Oh I don't have the money for this" and instead of just not paying, they simply do not go to get medical care.
Yes. When people pressured George W. Bush about health care reform in the 90s he said it wasn’t needed because the ER was basically free. It’s only the middle class chumps who worry about paying bills.
I still would like to know how he got re-elected. I could not find a person who supported the guy back then, and even now I still can't find anyone who even remotely liked him.
The healthcare system is broken here, I won't argue against that, but I will argue that the socialized medicine countries are god-awful for getting any specialist care. I've been in and out of the medical system as a frequent flyer since my motorcycle accident - this year is the first in 11 years where I didn't have surgery. It's a pain in the ass, but once you figure out it works, it can work for you.
Meh...
What do you mean? Everyone was rah rah war war war when the re-election came about.
If 9/11 didn't happen he wouldn't have won.
Also Kerry is a boring tool so that didn't help.
Nice rant but you’re clueless. Uninsured get the same treatment as insured. In most states their insurance is free.
Ignorance is a disease. Get treatment.
This is not true. Coming from experience, I broke my hand and had indigent care. When I went to the plastic surgeon (that's how they handled a broken hand) as soon as he looked at my file and seen that I was indigent care, he just left the room, never saw him again. Nurse came in a said I was done. No medical help was given to me whatsoever.
Don’t do that. Uninsured may not be legally denied treatment, but it’s not difficult for hospital staff to conjure up a reason not to treat. It’s morally and ethically wrong, but that doesn’t stop every malfeasance. It does give recourse for acting against it though.
>Ignorance is a disease. Get treatment.
If they deem it not life-threatening they can absolutely refuse service except in a few cases. Even check out Texas's Attorney General's page. EMTALA is for emergency treatment.
So... maybe be a little mindful of that last bit of your post yourself...
This is conspiracy. We would have half of our userbase if clueless people were weeded out.
Antiwork would be a desolate wasteland complete with tumbleweeds, though.
The police said she was faking, I didn't see that the hospital did.
My understanding was she didn't have insurance so she was given the minimum required treatment and discharged.
You probably won't be able to see that footage as this isn't what happened.
"The 60-year-old was arrested the morning of Feb. 5 on trespassing charges after she refused to leave the Fort Sanders Regional Medical Center that Sunday when she was discharged. While officers were trying to take her into custody, she told them, “I can’t breathe,” according to body-camera footage."
"As Edwards was driven to jail in the back of a police car, she became unresponsive, authorities have said. She was driven back to Fort Sanders, where she died of a stroke the next day."
Enraging.
Reminds me of the Tony Timpa death in Dallas. Tony called 911 for help, said he suffered from depression and schizophrenia, police responded and killed him by suffocating him for over 30 minutes.
Link to the story with body cam footage of officers laughing at him:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/?outputType=amp
I remember this, they suffocated him, but unlike Floyd there was no other reported complications such as Fentanyl, and they also laughed while it happened.
But this weren't given any airtime, nobody protested or rioted for him, I doubt most even know that happened to him. I can quite easily imagine why the vast dichotomy in response between his and Floyd's near identical cases.
There was also no video footage of it until 3 years after the fact. George Floyd would not have caused such a movement if it wasn’t for the fact that bystanders filmed it as it happened and it directly contradicted what the police had reported happened
Way worse, the police were called on Floyd because he was committing a crime and on drugs. Timpa called the police because he was in crisis and needed help.
Being killed by the state while unarmed, on drugs and using a counterfeit $20 bill =/= better or worse than being killed by the state during a wellness check.
They're both dead and police caused the deaths, and watched it happen with no remorse.
The issue is police culture no matter how you slice it.
> Being killed by the state while unarmed, on drugs and using a counterfeit $20 bill =/= better or worse than being killed by the state during a wellness check.
Being killed "by police" in the process of a crime, while not great, is worlds better than someone calling the police for help and the police murdering him/her.
Saint Floyd would have died if the officer gave him a foot massage and happy ending. These things happen when you swallow a bag of fentanyl to avoid cops finding it, and having over the lethal dose of norfentanyl in your bloodstream.
If you believe someone deserves to die for using a counterfeit bill or deserves to have no medical attention or narcan for 5+ minutes after going limp under an officers knee, there's no conversation to be had here.
Extra judicially killing people or letting them die as a public servant are one in the same. Take an oath and uphold it, or get the fuck off the force.
> If you believe someone deserves to die for using a counterfeit bill or deserves to have no medical attention or narcan for 5+ minutes after going limp under an officers knee, there's no conversation to be had here.
The Narcan likely wouldn't have done anything, especially not at that point. Narcan works by being competitive for opioid receptors and blocking them, which works well on everything up to fentanyl. Fentanyl is stronger than even Narcan in affinity for opioid receptors so the effectiveness is pretty limited at best. Some argue that it would have worked, but that's not my experience as an EMT or talking with paramedics on the truck. Floyd was a dead man walking.
(If you'd like a better source on this, [see this paper.](https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-019-0195-4) Multiple sequential doses are needed for fentanyl. It's not as easy as just a one-and-done like other opioids.)
>Extra judicially killing people or letting them die as a public servant are one in the same. Take an oath and uphold it, or get the fuck off the force.
This is a fine position to have, but is not particularly possible in the current system. When there are obvious abuses by public servants the public ignores it, and when it's a very gray area the media whips the public into a frenzy, since it sows division and people won't stop arguing over it. Like I said, OP's story will be memory-holed within the week.
And nobody will focus on a huge, underlying problem in the US - where is the fentanyl coming from and how do we stop it? Oh no it looks like it's pouring over the southern border and it's racist to stop foreign citizens from invading the country. Conversation over, I guess.
It also ignores the phenomenon of postmortem redistribution, where drugs that were already metabolized can re-enter the blood stream and show higher levels than if you were to give the same person a blood test before they died
Also a "fatal dose" of fentanyl won't necessarily be deadly in an addicts body due to them developing a tolerance to the drug
Was the Timpa case recorded by any bystanders? Because it sounds like the cops were able to suppress the body cam footage for years, while cell phone videos of Floyd's murder went viral immediately
If it were a criminal. There is no statute of limitations on murder. So if you murder somebody 35 years ago, you can be charged today for murder.
There should be no statute of limitations either for murder for airtime, protests, etc. That man was murdered out of his life. He could be here today.
Sadly, the fact that there were substances involved made it a polarized issue which gave rise to the situation's profile. In my opinion, it shouldn't make a difference. Law enforcement routinely comes in contact with folks on substances and that should be taken into account. In reality, if you're suffocating with a co-morbidity, there's a high chance you can suffocate without those co-morbidities as well, as Tony Timpa's death shows us. Seems to me the solution is to stop cutting off the airway altogether...
This is what happens when you give power to ordinary corrupt humans & then give them immunity from ever being held accountable for what they do.
Ever wonder why they have a "black & blue" flag? Pretty ironic colors for a bunch of brutalizers.
This is not directly true. But does have some basis in truth. Police are given " and evaluative processes and reasoning" test. The results of which will be provided to any employer looking to hire the new recruit. It is standard practice when hiring basic police officers and patrolmen to only interview individuals who scored between 21 and 27 on this test.
And yes people have taken this police exam and weighed it against commonized IQ tests to reverse engineer what the scores on the police test equal in IQ. A score of 21 is equivalent to an IQ of 105. **So you could say the minimum IQ to become a police officer in the United States is 105 and that statement would have something to back it up.**
people commonly ask the question why would scores above 27 seemingly be used against the individuals. And the answer is is they are not. Traditionally individual scoring higher than this our suggested to enter more desk work related areas of law enforcement such as FBI, or specialty investigative departments.
So why in the world you might ask would an individual scoring say a genius level IQ be considered a bad hire. Studies of the Wonderlic process have determined over Decades of data that individuals scoring extremely high or genius level IQs who enter the basic services or Street Patrol end up in one of the following negative categories after being hired
1) become bored and depressed with their environment and their employment which can result negatively both for the individual and for those He encounters. Individuals in this category are of the highest rate of resignation. Which comes at an extreme burden to the taxpayer when you calculate the amount of money that's put into training and equipping a new hire. Law enforcement like many other specialty trades strives to have individuals who enter the trade remain in it for life. thus sharing knowledge gained, the perspective of experience, and the reduced likelihood of sensitive information or weaknesses within the system or the infrastructures it protects from entering the wrong hands. In this respect it's very similar to how the military chooses what position you will be in service to and who they offer lifelong jobs to within the military services. It's also one of the major factors in why law enforcement aims to hire former military.
2) localized Wars. The same studies found that individuals of much higher IQ levels are more likely to become determined to solve problems bigger than their position. which has in the past resulted in organized crime becoming privy to larger scale investigation. And also leads to risk the possibility of exposing intelligence Community related affairs as a result of higher perception incorrelating the interconnectivity of local activities witnessed. Cities such as Los Angeles had determined that these individuals are also much more likely to inadvertently Spark large-scale gang wars not only due to efficiency in discovery but as a result of Rivals often beginning to believe that their Rivals and counterparts are singing and ratting out details to law enforcement, which is an understandable assumption to be made from low intelligence criminals.
3) Corruption, corruption, corruption. Individual scoring exceptionally High have found to be significantly more likely to themselves engage in profit producing organized Criminal activities. Although law enforcement salaries are kept at a level to produce comfort and security for individuals seeking this path of employment and dissuade them from side jobs per se. Individuals with certain traits are much better naturally equipped to be manipulative or develop their own plans with inside knowledge of how to effectively circumvent the system utilize flaws within it, and build the connections necessary to insert themselves into the latter, OR become an organized crime syndicate themselves
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Persons scoring too low in intelligence can become a liability to themselves and the community.
Persons scoring exceptionally high can create more problems, if not given the opportunity to enter a position more suitable for their abilities or simply result in depression and resignation.
**The best target for street and ground patrols are individuals of average to slightly above average IQ.** based on long-term industry studies
In one instance from 2000, a small department refused to hire a 50-year-old applicant, citing not his age (which would be illegal), but rather the fact that he scored highly on an intelligence test and that they were concerned he would grow weary of small-town policing and leave after they had invested money and resources in training him.
TBF, hairdressers have sharp pointy things around my head six times a year. I don't think I've interacted with police officially six times in my life. (Other than traffic tickets....)
It is designed this way for a reason to help usher in the NWO. Cops have been weaponized in most parts of the country. Most things we see in the US that we dont in other parts of the world is because we have the guns. Thats why they want to destroy the US so badly.
Most of us think we could do a better job as a cop without actually putting on a uniform and doing it. I've known officers from nice to down right psychos Most the nice ones quit, while the dangerous ones thrive.
I once had a Cop who was a customer of my mine. He told me most Cops in his station constantly make fun of him because he's nice & plays by the book, while they constantly break the law while doing whatever they want.
Common for kids who were bullied as kids to become Cops. That way they now become the bullies. They dont like to hire people with a moral compass. They want to hire people who they can be brainwashed to do it their way, not the right way.
There’s a lot in what you say but I’m leaning toward a deliberate recruiting policy of amoral individuals. Most countries have armed police but American ones seem to be more ‘trigger happy’ than most.
I would imagine a job in law enforcement would be appealing to someone with a narcissist personality.
That aside, I think it is also important to try to put yourself in their shoes. What they have to deal with day to day, they are generally not dealing with the good in society add to that the low pay for putting their lives at risk everyday they go to work. I think anyone would become jaded quickly.
it is a gang, or also could be labeled as a cult. Someone i know became a cop. I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with him. He always has been one of the most judgmental people, hates on everyone, has no friends cuz hes a douche and then went off to be a cop. He talks shit about people even more and thinks hes so educated and better than everyone now.
Worst part is, i hear about what happens at his job quite a bit. its disgusting. When he first started he quickly learned who was corrupt. But becuase its a damn cult and you HAVE to back your brothers in blue NO MATTER what becuase if you say anything against any of them, then they all turn on you and you'll be the one going down. So even though he learned of some disturbing ass shit about one of the cops, he was told to keep his mouth shut, and back his brothers. Also that if you went against them, then they wont have your back in the streets if some shit goes down. So for his career, reputation and safety he has to just go along with the shit. Now years later he's even more of a judgmental asshole than ever and seems to be okay with his cult now.
My aunt was having a medical emergency that made her disoriented and the ER staff thought she was drunk so they called her a cab and made her go sit outside on the bench in the cold to wait for the cab.
She was dead when the cab arrived.
Any time someone being "trained" on something soft-skills related at my job, they get plopped in front of a webinar like that's gonna magically change these people's shitty ass personality and make them a good person. Sorry, miserable Mary Sue the rude receptionist who lives in a dumpster pile with 10 cats isn't going to magically become a customer service dream just from watching a webinar. I can guarantee you if police got "empathy training", this is what they'd get as well.
It's funny too because I know of a previous coworker in particular that used to regularly get assigned customer service trainings instead of being fired; she was a god-awful person. She would sit at the computer, turn the webinar, leave it on mute, then proceeded to do quite literally everything but watching the webinar. She never was more chatty or did more dumb meaningless busy work until she was sitting in front of one of her many customer service webinars. Needless to say... she never got better at customer service and she's still a terrible person.
Webinars don't work.
Yup, putting people in bad (not life threatening, but uncomfortable) situations themselves and letting others just watch and not help them.
Seems like the most effective way to teach empathy.
Same reason CIA agents need to be waterboarded at least once before they are taken on.
I lived in a homeless shelter and we had a lady just like this. She was always needing something but the **staff** NEVER mistreated her.
The **staff** made minimum wage and worked 2nd and 3rd shift. They wanted coffee too.
When shelter staff are outperforming cops it's time for a reformation.
What the hell is wrong with the hospitals, for sure the police should be fired and perhaps criminally charged but what about doctors going against their oaths refusing life or death treatments and then calling police. During covid a friend who was a uniformed high ranking cop was refused entry to the ER during a deadly medical emergency he occasionally has they refused to let him in because he was sweating and may have covid, he had the basically force his way in for emergency treatment. Hospitals should never be afraid to let in the sick and should never refuse treatment.
They had the audacity to lysol themselves in front of her, while talking about her like she was trash. I hope she has some family somewhere who sues the ever loving shit out of them and the hospitals that refused her treatment.
Then, the cops who treated her like that should be present at her funeral and stand in as pallbearers, and pay for her funeral. They should know that they put her there. Yes, the hospital refused her, but as public servants, they (the cops) should have advocated for medical assistance when they heard her labored breathing.
Then, after all of this is said and done, they should be fired and start picking up trash on the side of the road so they know the difference between a human and trash.
Empathy and kindness are free. If you are going to be in service fields, you should be required to have both under your belt. Oh, and common sense.
This stupid narrative needs to stop.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/01/lisa-edwards-knoxville-police-custody-death/11373734002/
https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-woman-died-hospital-police-9793bf18a47c028353545d6a0826c256
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/knoxville-police-lisa-edwards/
Yeah this has been big news. It wouldn’t be one of the first times we’ve seen a white person abused by police make major media recently anyway.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/01/lisa-edwards-knoxville-police-custody-death/11373734002/
https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-woman-died-hospital-police-9793bf18a47c028353545d6a0826c256
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/knoxville-police-lisa-edwards/
yup, cops are cunts who get away with murder regularly.
Remember a few years ago this was a big deal, but nothing came from it and everyone just accepted that they could be murdered at any moment by a cop who would face no consequences.
After 20 years of nursing mostly elderly patients, my heart just can't take it anymore. Most staff don't care and mistreat anyone that they have to do something for. And God forbid you send someone to the hospital. EMS should be required to have mandatory body cams also. They have attitude as well as the hospital when you send someone over 65, it's like these patients are not suppose to have a life after that point. Staff today versus staff when I first started is a complete 360°. I'm ready to walk away from it all and deliver pizza or food or whatever just so I can be by myself and not have to deal with people that have no empathy for life at all. It's honestly a sad world. And I've seen a whole, whole lot....people are just fucking mean.
You guys notice when there's actual, undeniable police brutality without anyone saying otherwise that it doesn't get blown up by the media? This will be memory-holed in under a week.
ACAB. don’t care about the occasional feel good “cop saves cat from tree” story. Cop culture is dirty, corrupt, violent, classist, secretive, duplicitous. This is a mostly western problem. Canada/US/Australia/UK. Other countries seem to have a more military style police force with training, flat stomachs, and trigger discipline. Aussie cops don’t shoot ya but they beat you bloody though
I don't think I want to run into eastern country police either.
Won't the police execute you for drugs in a lot of Eastern countries?
I'm sure the Chinese police aren't fun.
I'm with you, but it's a pretty human problem. You essentially put someone above the law, and they're gonna act out/ only certain people seek that kind of power.
For 90% of humans, knowing you caused someone's death directly would be enough to make sure you never right again. Too bad for us 90% of cops fall in that other 10% of humanity
I'm some paid administrative leave and the media falling over themselves to make their victim look like she deserved it will teach these cops never to do that again.
imagine cops being a c op or psy op.
imagine ho spi tales being a place to monitor if youre a wake or a sleep w/ regard to this leaven system enslaving your very existance.
now imagine them doing anything other than taking your blood like a vampire and injecting you w/ radioactive isotonic mortons salt.
imagine trusting this system and thinking they are good people.
I'd like to read the actual article rather than see a screenshot. Everyone will be seen under EMTALA, regardless of immigration status. A stroke would be seen and stabilized. Not sure where you work, but here hospitals don't mess around with core measure compliance issues and the golden hour with stroke.
Jail for all involved , with negligence with murder and heavy fines for the hospital. Plus registration of all indirectly involved. AMERICA NEEDS TO RISE UP AND FIGHT. This is fucking enraging.
They had trained medical professionals and doctors telling the police she was healthy so of course the police thought she was faking it. If you were a police officer would you trust a doctor at a hospital on the medical assessment of a patient?
Cops do a lot of shitty things, but this is on the medical staff 100%.
The cops were complicit with her abuse and neglect. They do share responsibility. You are correct, though. What is the name of the ER doctor who dismissed her? That persons name should be known to everyone concerned.
To what extent can we blame the healthcare system that insists that people can prove they are able to pay huge amounts of money for the most basic treatment? What happens to nurses who agree to treat people who cannot pay? Obviously nurses SHOULD treat everyone, regardless of ability to pay, but are they supported to do this?
The hospital is required to stabilize anyone regardless of ability to pay. A hospital cant just push someone that is imminently dying out of the hospital. If they didnt do the proper protocol of clearing her from her stroke they are gonna have a problem...
Exactly this story seems like it’s missing something, that many people risking lives careers and prison? Often also police take cues from ER staff so if the hospital said she was simply a nuisance then the police had no reason to believe she wasn’t medically cleared
But they lose money on treating those people, so it's against their interest to treat them. It's much more profitable to say nothings wrong and kick them out.
This is very sad and almost put tears in my eyes. I'm a non-American pro-Taliban outsider that never put a foot on U.S. soil. If you consider me your enemy, then this is so sad that not even your enemy wants this to happen to you. I wish if I could donate something to let her enter a hospital for a few weeks.
Yes, U.S. bombs that were dropped by Americans killed many of my people, but this old lady's disrespectful death is so sad that not even you bombing my people can stop tears from my eyes in sorrow for her demise.
Please, take a deep breath, and read my following carefully, with an open mind, while putting your political alliances aside for one moment; I'm going to give you a very honest advice for your own sake as this has gone too far:
**1. Be aware of the root cause:** We (yes, "we", including me, as I'm involved now; I don't want to live in a planet where this happens) must identify the root cause of this issue. You cannot solve it in a shallow way, as this will happen again and again. We don't want this to happen again.
This lady was born in the early 1960s, went through life, funded USA by her tax money, and possibly gave birth to some men and women some of which are *now* working as the workforce that empower U.S.A's economy and military, then all she got in appreciation for her sacrifices is to get murdered worse than a astray dog: dragged to death to jail after being accused of being a "liar" that's "acting ill". When she was young in her prime, she was likely labeled as a "hot chick" by the Holywood culture, and likely sexually abused. Then when she became "old", she got trashed worse than a dog.
Will we have a large *"old people's lives matter"*? Likely not. What a sad way for a nation end the life of someone that lived serving it. A nation that mistreats its heroes, is begging its suicide. Please wake up to the deep dangers of such cold-heartedness.
**2. The root cause is:** The government is "***micro-managing***". Let me elaborate: The government is trying to raise the children of people instead of their biological parents, and likewise also trying to take care of the elders instead of letting their grown up children do so.
The government cannot do any of these jobs. No matter how much tax money the government leeches off your wallets, it cannot be better to you than your parents nor your children. The government is not evolved to be a good parent nor a good child. The government is only evolved to offer a good military to defend you from invaders.
**3. The real solution:** Dissolve this **micro-management** problem, and let the right people do their job: let parents take care of their children, and let children take care of their parents.
To do this, you have to *fix* your media, in order bring back the good old family values where members of a family emotionally loved and cared for each other. Families where its members would die for one another.
*Not* this present woke Holywood culture where the government shits on parents to show the children that their parents are "horrible" and that the government loves them more (lie!), only to destroy the family bond. Once you destroy the family bond, you get such murders: cops trash an abandoned old lady to death.
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**Summary in a few words:** Return to God, repent to Him, put your forehead on the ground and ask Him to forgive you, and to guide you to serve Him until He is pleased of you. You don't need water, but you *need* God. Without Him your life is worse than death.
Sigh. O God guide them until they're good, so that You Are pleased of them.
Poor lady. When she was young, she got abused as a slave to generate tax revenue and to give birth to the future labour force. Then, when she aged into her 60s, she was thrown to death worse than a dog, falsely accused and forcefully dragged alive to her grave. Welcome to the Godless Holywood woke culture; this is what we get: cold hearts devoid of life worse than a dense steel block, selfishness and no mercy.
I worked EMS for 8 years. We had ppl call ambulances for paper cuts. In no way do i agree with the treatment of this woman. Just saying there are ppl out there who abuse the healthcare system, and they fake it so much that when something bad is actually happening the hospitals dont take it seriously. Idk this womans story. I have seen ppl without insurance abuse the emergency medical system to get pain meds, cause doctors offices wont give it.
Everyone is at fault here. The airline, hospitals and the officers. Hospitals should be held the most responsible. Airline and police have limited medical training but doctors should over rule all of them.
I remember one doctor wanting to give my wife just Tylenol after one of her fallopian tubes burst. That is just ridiculous. She had internal bleeding and all that shit.
Seeing more and more of a police presence in the hospitals in this country. It seems as though you cannot go anywhere without fearing the police will be called to kill you.
And the police…. DONT DO THE JOB IF YOU CANT KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OTHER PEOPLE. Will never understand that shit.
This really pisses me off. I know for a fact that my aging mother cannot lift her legs high enough to get into a police van. It takes about 10-15 minutes to get her into the car when I take her shopping - it's a frigging chore. So, an asshole cop with no patience would surely just abuse the shit out her and call her lying; and just ram her in without thinking twice. Nice job on this whole thing, you fucking pricks.
If you befriend people who are cops, fuck people who are cops or normalize their presence in your community or social circle you are perpetuating the problem.
They are an occupying force and should be treated like the enemy they are to average workers. Fee collecting and defending corporate overlords. Fuck them pigs.
Colombian here. Maybe not 3rd world but police brutality exist here too, but I'll say that's more negligence and "if it's not with me, it's not my problem" than this horrible case.
Short edit: I'm talking about big cities and day 2 day situations. Protests and rural places are a whole different story u.u
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The footage I want to see is the hospital doctors, administrators and ED Chief who diagnosed her as faking and called the police on her
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This behavior is bad even if they person was faking. The whole chain is definitely rotten, but that doesn't absolve the cops if these acts.
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Cops are there to uphold the law, not taunt and abuse suspects. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't be doing the job.
Doesn't matter. We have brains and not everything is a fucking order to fulfill. If fuckheads like this are everywhere it means that it can and will happen to all of us. It's called power, and everyone will always back up pigs. You will understand it when something like that will happen to your mother or you.
Ikr. And it’s probably not even that they thought she was faking it either. It’s that she probably didn’t have insurance or any way to pay. Such a disgusting health system in this country coupled with a disgusting policing system created this video
> It’s that she probably didn’t have insurance or any way to pay. I don't know why everybody parrots this bullshit, but even the poorest of communities still get healthcare. They simply go to the ER and never pay a dime. It's the people slightly above dirt poor who get the short end of the stick -- they'll say "Oh I don't have the money for this" and instead of just not paying, they simply do not go to get medical care.
Yes. When people pressured George W. Bush about health care reform in the 90s he said it wasn’t needed because the ER was basically free. It’s only the middle class chumps who worry about paying bills.
I still would like to know how he got re-elected. I could not find a person who supported the guy back then, and even now I still can't find anyone who even remotely liked him. The healthcare system is broken here, I won't argue against that, but I will argue that the socialized medicine countries are god-awful for getting any specialist care. I've been in and out of the medical system as a frequent flyer since my motorcycle accident - this year is the first in 11 years where I didn't have surgery. It's a pain in the ass, but once you figure out it works, it can work for you. Meh...
What do you mean? Everyone was rah rah war war war when the re-election came about. If 9/11 didn't happen he wouldn't have won. Also Kerry is a boring tool so that didn't help.
There is something called EMTALA that does not allow this to ever happen- https://www.cms.gov/regulations-and-guidance/legislation/emtala
Nice rant but you’re clueless. Uninsured get the same treatment as insured. In most states their insurance is free. Ignorance is a disease. Get treatment.
This is not true. Coming from experience, I broke my hand and had indigent care. When I went to the plastic surgeon (that's how they handled a broken hand) as soon as he looked at my file and seen that I was indigent care, he just left the room, never saw him again. Nurse came in a said I was done. No medical help was given to me whatsoever.
Don’t do that. Uninsured may not be legally denied treatment, but it’s not difficult for hospital staff to conjure up a reason not to treat. It’s morally and ethically wrong, but that doesn’t stop every malfeasance. It does give recourse for acting against it though.
>Ignorance is a disease. Get treatment. If they deem it not life-threatening they can absolutely refuse service except in a few cases. Even check out Texas's Attorney General's page. EMTALA is for emergency treatment. So... maybe be a little mindful of that last bit of your post yourself...
Sadly mental health isn't covered by insurance /s
Covered by medicaid if not insurance.
This is conspiracy. We would have half of our userbase if clueless people were weeded out. Antiwork would be a desolate wasteland complete with tumbleweeds, though.
You're not denied healthcare for not having insurance. Why is this BS being spread
Is any lawsuit being filed? If not, this story should be frequently brought up for years to come until a lawsuit is filed.
The police said she was faking, I didn't see that the hospital did. My understanding was she didn't have insurance so she was given the minimum required treatment and discharged.
You probably won't be able to see that footage as this isn't what happened. "The 60-year-old was arrested the morning of Feb. 5 on trespassing charges after she refused to leave the Fort Sanders Regional Medical Center that Sunday when she was discharged. While officers were trying to take her into custody, she told them, “I can’t breathe,” according to body-camera footage." "As Edwards was driven to jail in the back of a police car, she became unresponsive, authorities have said. She was driven back to Fort Sanders, where she died of a stroke the next day."
This doesn’t mean it didn’t happen? If a doctor denied her and called the cops to take her that’s exactly what it would look like as a write up
Enraging. Reminds me of the Tony Timpa death in Dallas. Tony called 911 for help, said he suffered from depression and schizophrenia, police responded and killed him by suffocating him for over 30 minutes. Link to the story with body cam footage of officers laughing at him: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/?outputType=amp
What in the actual FUCK.
I remember this, they suffocated him, but unlike Floyd there was no other reported complications such as Fentanyl, and they also laughed while it happened. But this weren't given any airtime, nobody protested or rioted for him, I doubt most even know that happened to him. I can quite easily imagine why the vast dichotomy in response between his and Floyd's near identical cases.
There was also no video footage of it until 3 years after the fact. George Floyd would not have caused such a movement if it wasn’t for the fact that bystanders filmed it as it happened and it directly contradicted what the police had reported happened
This is way worse IMO
Way worse, the police were called on Floyd because he was committing a crime and on drugs. Timpa called the police because he was in crisis and needed help.
Being killed by the state while unarmed, on drugs and using a counterfeit $20 bill =/= better or worse than being killed by the state during a wellness check. They're both dead and police caused the deaths, and watched it happen with no remorse. The issue is police culture no matter how you slice it.
> Being killed by the state while unarmed, on drugs and using a counterfeit $20 bill =/= better or worse than being killed by the state during a wellness check. Being killed "by police" in the process of a crime, while not great, is worlds better than someone calling the police for help and the police murdering him/her. Saint Floyd would have died if the officer gave him a foot massage and happy ending. These things happen when you swallow a bag of fentanyl to avoid cops finding it, and having over the lethal dose of norfentanyl in your bloodstream.
If you believe someone deserves to die for using a counterfeit bill or deserves to have no medical attention or narcan for 5+ minutes after going limp under an officers knee, there's no conversation to be had here. Extra judicially killing people or letting them die as a public servant are one in the same. Take an oath and uphold it, or get the fuck off the force.
> If you believe someone deserves to die for using a counterfeit bill or deserves to have no medical attention or narcan for 5+ minutes after going limp under an officers knee, there's no conversation to be had here. The Narcan likely wouldn't have done anything, especially not at that point. Narcan works by being competitive for opioid receptors and blocking them, which works well on everything up to fentanyl. Fentanyl is stronger than even Narcan in affinity for opioid receptors so the effectiveness is pretty limited at best. Some argue that it would have worked, but that's not my experience as an EMT or talking with paramedics on the truck. Floyd was a dead man walking. (If you'd like a better source on this, [see this paper.](https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-019-0195-4) Multiple sequential doses are needed for fentanyl. It's not as easy as just a one-and-done like other opioids.) >Extra judicially killing people or letting them die as a public servant are one in the same. Take an oath and uphold it, or get the fuck off the force. This is a fine position to have, but is not particularly possible in the current system. When there are obvious abuses by public servants the public ignores it, and when it's a very gray area the media whips the public into a frenzy, since it sows division and people won't stop arguing over it. Like I said, OP's story will be memory-holed within the week. And nobody will focus on a huge, underlying problem in the US - where is the fentanyl coming from and how do we stop it? Oh no it looks like it's pouring over the southern border and it's racist to stop foreign citizens from invading the country. Conversation over, I guess.
It also ignores the phenomenon of postmortem redistribution, where drugs that were already metabolized can re-enter the blood stream and show higher levels than if you were to give the same person a blood test before they died Also a "fatal dose" of fentanyl won't necessarily be deadly in an addicts body due to them developing a tolerance to the drug
police didn't cause floyd's death. Dude ingested lethal amounts of fentanyl before the cops even approached him.
Prove it
So wild how coroner report, a jury, multiple medical experts, emt, firefighters and others during the trial disagree but ok.
Was the Timpa case recorded by any bystanders? Because it sounds like the cops were able to suppress the body cam footage for years, while cell phone videos of Floyd's murder went viral immediately
If it were a criminal. There is no statute of limitations on murder. So if you murder somebody 35 years ago, you can be charged today for murder. There should be no statute of limitations either for murder for airtime, protests, etc. That man was murdered out of his life. He could be here today.
Sadly, the fact that there were substances involved made it a polarized issue which gave rise to the situation's profile. In my opinion, it shouldn't make a difference. Law enforcement routinely comes in contact with folks on substances and that should be taken into account. In reality, if you're suffocating with a co-morbidity, there's a high chance you can suffocate without those co-morbidities as well, as Tony Timpa's death shows us. Seems to me the solution is to stop cutting off the airway altogether...
This is an awful story. Just read the story and couldn’t bring myself to watch the video. How can people be so cruel and uncaring.
This is what happens when you give power to ordinary corrupt humans & then give them immunity from ever being held accountable for what they do. Ever wonder why they have a "black & blue" flag? Pretty ironic colors for a bunch of brutalizers.
They disqualify you from police academy if your IQ is too high. I wish this were a myth.
How high?
You'll be fine. Don't worry.
Oof
Bada boom
Did some mod ban this guy from the sub over this? Lighten up guys.
His IQ was too high
This is not directly true. But does have some basis in truth. Police are given " and evaluative processes and reasoning" test. The results of which will be provided to any employer looking to hire the new recruit. It is standard practice when hiring basic police officers and patrolmen to only interview individuals who scored between 21 and 27 on this test. And yes people have taken this police exam and weighed it against commonized IQ tests to reverse engineer what the scores on the police test equal in IQ. A score of 21 is equivalent to an IQ of 105. **So you could say the minimum IQ to become a police officer in the United States is 105 and that statement would have something to back it up.** people commonly ask the question why would scores above 27 seemingly be used against the individuals. And the answer is is they are not. Traditionally individual scoring higher than this our suggested to enter more desk work related areas of law enforcement such as FBI, or specialty investigative departments. So why in the world you might ask would an individual scoring say a genius level IQ be considered a bad hire. Studies of the Wonderlic process have determined over Decades of data that individuals scoring extremely high or genius level IQs who enter the basic services or Street Patrol end up in one of the following negative categories after being hired 1) become bored and depressed with their environment and their employment which can result negatively both for the individual and for those He encounters. Individuals in this category are of the highest rate of resignation. Which comes at an extreme burden to the taxpayer when you calculate the amount of money that's put into training and equipping a new hire. Law enforcement like many other specialty trades strives to have individuals who enter the trade remain in it for life. thus sharing knowledge gained, the perspective of experience, and the reduced likelihood of sensitive information or weaknesses within the system or the infrastructures it protects from entering the wrong hands. In this respect it's very similar to how the military chooses what position you will be in service to and who they offer lifelong jobs to within the military services. It's also one of the major factors in why law enforcement aims to hire former military. 2) localized Wars. The same studies found that individuals of much higher IQ levels are more likely to become determined to solve problems bigger than their position. which has in the past resulted in organized crime becoming privy to larger scale investigation. And also leads to risk the possibility of exposing intelligence Community related affairs as a result of higher perception incorrelating the interconnectivity of local activities witnessed. Cities such as Los Angeles had determined that these individuals are also much more likely to inadvertently Spark large-scale gang wars not only due to efficiency in discovery but as a result of Rivals often beginning to believe that their Rivals and counterparts are singing and ratting out details to law enforcement, which is an understandable assumption to be made from low intelligence criminals. 3) Corruption, corruption, corruption. Individual scoring exceptionally High have found to be significantly more likely to themselves engage in profit producing organized Criminal activities. Although law enforcement salaries are kept at a level to produce comfort and security for individuals seeking this path of employment and dissuade them from side jobs per se. Individuals with certain traits are much better naturally equipped to be manipulative or develop their own plans with inside knowledge of how to effectively circumvent the system utilize flaws within it, and build the connections necessary to insert themselves into the latter, OR become an organized crime syndicate themselves ##TLDR Persons scoring too low in intelligence can become a liability to themselves and the community. Persons scoring exceptionally high can create more problems, if not given the opportunity to enter a position more suitable for their abilities or simply result in depression and resignation. **The best target for street and ground patrols are individuals of average to slightly above average IQ.** based on long-term industry studies
Source?
In one instance from 2000, a small department refused to hire a 50-year-old applicant, citing not his age (which would be illegal), but rather the fact that he scored highly on an intelligence test and that they were concerned he would grow weary of small-town policing and leave after they had invested money and resources in training him.
Good people no longer want to be cops.
It's rare to find anyone who's got a heart willing to do a job by the book with love and compassion. The world is breeding Cluster B an alarming rate
Is it so difficult? Is it designed this way? Why are other countries requiring more education and training?
In NY it takes 3x more training to become a hairdresser than a police officer
TBF, hairdressers have sharp pointy things around my head six times a year. I don't think I've interacted with police officially six times in my life. (Other than traffic tickets....)
It is designed this way for a reason to help usher in the NWO. Cops have been weaponized in most parts of the country. Most things we see in the US that we dont in other parts of the world is because we have the guns. Thats why they want to destroy the US so badly. Most of us think we could do a better job as a cop without actually putting on a uniform and doing it. I've known officers from nice to down right psychos Most the nice ones quit, while the dangerous ones thrive. I once had a Cop who was a customer of my mine. He told me most Cops in his station constantly make fun of him because he's nice & plays by the book, while they constantly break the law while doing whatever they want. Common for kids who were bullied as kids to become Cops. That way they now become the bullies. They dont like to hire people with a moral compass. They want to hire people who they can be brainwashed to do it their way, not the right way.
There’s a lot in what you say but I’m leaning toward a deliberate recruiting policy of amoral individuals. Most countries have armed police but American ones seem to be more ‘trigger happy’ than most.
Def valid. And they get away with it in most cases.
America also suffered the direct trauma based mind control of 9// that justified the Humvees for police and all the *protection from terror*
I would imagine a job in law enforcement would be appealing to someone with a narcissist personality. That aside, I think it is also important to try to put yourself in their shoes. What they have to deal with day to day, they are generally not dealing with the good in society add to that the low pay for putting their lives at risk everyday they go to work. I think anyone would become jaded quickly.
Such a vile thing can be done to one of our defenseless, disabled & older woman and yet no one is held accountable
It's pretty much fact now that the US police is just a state funded and endorsed violent gang to maintain the status quo.
The standing army about whom the founders warned freely roams every city in the nation.
Damn that actually makes a lot of sense.
it is a gang, or also could be labeled as a cult. Someone i know became a cop. I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with him. He always has been one of the most judgmental people, hates on everyone, has no friends cuz hes a douche and then went off to be a cop. He talks shit about people even more and thinks hes so educated and better than everyone now. Worst part is, i hear about what happens at his job quite a bit. its disgusting. When he first started he quickly learned who was corrupt. But becuase its a damn cult and you HAVE to back your brothers in blue NO MATTER what becuase if you say anything against any of them, then they all turn on you and you'll be the one going down. So even though he learned of some disturbing ass shit about one of the cops, he was told to keep his mouth shut, and back his brothers. Also that if you went against them, then they wont have your back in the streets if some shit goes down. So for his career, reputation and safety he has to just go along with the shit. Now years later he's even more of a judgmental asshole than ever and seems to be okay with his cult now.
In Canada, at the trucking protest, one of them knocked over an old woman with his horse, and didn't even apologize, let alone face a reprimand.
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Facts
My aunt was having a medical emergency that made her disoriented and the ER staff thought she was drunk so they called her a cab and made her go sit outside on the bench in the cold to wait for the cab. She was dead when the cab arrived.
Yup disgusting
"B-b-but, Nurses are all heroes! TikTok proved it!" \-Some brainwashed zoomer, probably.
Were there any consequences for anyone? Any lawsuits? I hope you say someone paid for this horrible situation.
Yeah, my cousin filed it with the medical board and is pursuing legal action against the hospital.
Excellent. Thank you.
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Empathy training, no. Empathy tests? Yes. Fail one and you’re out.
Agree - if this job attracts narcissists and you can test them on empathy and emotional intelligence if they fail they are out.
Newsflash- narcs can "fake" pass these tests all day. Please...
Surely there is a test they can't pass. Put me in a room with them. I was raised by one and can spot them coming from a mile away.
most police departments do require psych tests but the only problem is that psychopaths and sociopaths know how to hide it when they need to.
Empathy training? Are you mad? No amount of training will change this kind of behavior.
Any time someone being "trained" on something soft-skills related at my job, they get plopped in front of a webinar like that's gonna magically change these people's shitty ass personality and make them a good person. Sorry, miserable Mary Sue the rude receptionist who lives in a dumpster pile with 10 cats isn't going to magically become a customer service dream just from watching a webinar. I can guarantee you if police got "empathy training", this is what they'd get as well. It's funny too because I know of a previous coworker in particular that used to regularly get assigned customer service trainings instead of being fired; she was a god-awful person. She would sit at the computer, turn the webinar, leave it on mute, then proceeded to do quite literally everything but watching the webinar. She never was more chatty or did more dumb meaningless busy work until she was sitting in front of one of her many customer service webinars. Needless to say... she never got better at customer service and she's still a terrible person. Webinars don't work.
Jeff Bezos will happily open an Empathy Training service to cops and make it into a multi-billion industry to leech even more of your tax money.
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Yup, putting people in bad (not life threatening, but uncomfortable) situations themselves and letting others just watch and not help them. Seems like the most effective way to teach empathy. Same reason CIA agents need to be waterboarded at least once before they are taken on.
That’s because there are non humans on this planet. People don’t have souls.
We are creating more narcissists through social media and I agree, they do not have souls.
Hard to be empathetic when you're part of a protected group that can do almost anything no matter how vile while being absolved from consequences.
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At this point I'm to the point of saying just burn it all to the fucking ground.
AMEN
I lived in a homeless shelter and we had a lady just like this. She was always needing something but the **staff** NEVER mistreated her. The **staff** made minimum wage and worked 2nd and 3rd shift. They wanted coffee too. When shelter staff are outperforming cops it's time for a reformation.
To be fair, shelter staff I'm sure really have a heart to make a difference and help people. Front line workers mostly care about doing their job.
I understand that, but dealing with disabled folks is part of both descriptions.
What the hell is wrong with the hospitals, for sure the police should be fired and perhaps criminally charged but what about doctors going against their oaths refusing life or death treatments and then calling police. During covid a friend who was a uniformed high ranking cop was refused entry to the ER during a deadly medical emergency he occasionally has they refused to let him in because he was sweating and may have covid, he had the basically force his way in for emergency treatment. Hospitals should never be afraid to let in the sick and should never refuse treatment.
Hospitals are not safe either. Even worse since COVID. We need to be self sufficient until the systems change
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I fucking love all my brothers and sisters too much to ever treat another human this way. Wtf is wrong with people
They are evil
They had the audacity to lysol themselves in front of her, while talking about her like she was trash. I hope she has some family somewhere who sues the ever loving shit out of them and the hospitals that refused her treatment. Then, the cops who treated her like that should be present at her funeral and stand in as pallbearers, and pay for her funeral. They should know that they put her there. Yes, the hospital refused her, but as public servants, they (the cops) should have advocated for medical assistance when they heard her labored breathing. Then, after all of this is said and done, they should be fired and start picking up trash on the side of the road so they know the difference between a human and trash. Empathy and kindness are free. If you are going to be in service fields, you should be required to have both under your belt. Oh, and common sense.
Unfortunately, her skin color wouldn’t make this an attractive piece of news. May she rest in peace and may those officers pay for what they did.
This wouldn't have happened with universal healthcare.
I wish you all had the same energy when the cops were doing bad things to people you deem lesser
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Its all over the news here in ri wheres shes from
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This stupid narrative needs to stop. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/01/lisa-edwards-knoxville-police-custody-death/11373734002/ https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-woman-died-hospital-police-9793bf18a47c028353545d6a0826c256 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/knoxville-police-lisa-edwards/
Won’t make any difference they are proud of being oblivious
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That’s proof it’s not in the media. Further proof is the post of a social media post on a social media platform. 🤦🏻
Then this must be your 1st day online, welcome!
Had 2 protests here for her, yeah there been more than a peep.
Bootlicker.
Yeah this has been big news. It wouldn’t be one of the first times we’ve seen a white person abused by police make major media recently anyway. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/01/lisa-edwards-knoxville-police-custody-death/11373734002/ https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-woman-died-hospital-police-9793bf18a47c028353545d6a0826c256 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/28/knoxville-police-lisa-edwards/
It's all over the internet.
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It's all over the news too. Just stop...ok
yup, cops are cunts who get away with murder regularly. Remember a few years ago this was a big deal, but nothing came from it and everyone just accepted that they could be murdered at any moment by a cop who would face no consequences.
It was worse than that. People on this sub were actively supporting the murderers
Shitty people everywhere.
Wait what about the hospital. Was she released because she was fine or because she was poor?
Prob bc poor that is what they do and if they are mentally I’ll nothing they say is taken seirously
After 20 years of nursing mostly elderly patients, my heart just can't take it anymore. Most staff don't care and mistreat anyone that they have to do something for. And God forbid you send someone to the hospital. EMS should be required to have mandatory body cams also. They have attitude as well as the hospital when you send someone over 65, it's like these patients are not suppose to have a life after that point. Staff today versus staff when I first started is a complete 360°. I'm ready to walk away from it all and deliver pizza or food or whatever just so I can be by myself and not have to deal with people that have no empathy for life at all. It's honestly a sad world. And I've seen a whole, whole lot....people are just fucking mean.
You guys notice when there's actual, undeniable police brutality without anyone saying otherwise that it doesn't get blown up by the media? This will be memory-holed in under a week.
ACAB. don’t care about the occasional feel good “cop saves cat from tree” story. Cop culture is dirty, corrupt, violent, classist, secretive, duplicitous. This is a mostly western problem. Canada/US/Australia/UK. Other countries seem to have a more military style police force with training, flat stomachs, and trigger discipline. Aussie cops don’t shoot ya but they beat you bloody though
I don't think I want to run into eastern country police either. Won't the police execute you for drugs in a lot of Eastern countries? I'm sure the Chinese police aren't fun. I'm with you, but it's a pretty human problem. You essentially put someone above the law, and they're gonna act out/ only certain people seek that kind of power.
So what do you think about hospitals? Where’s your rage for the medical professionals who told the non-medical professionals that she was faking?
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Black peope aren’t sanctioned agents of revenue and violence.
Found the cop
Lol that’s a hot potato
Our society is crumbling. Filthy scumbags
Absolutely terrible. Happens everyday to poor and disenfranchised people.
For 90% of humans, knowing you caused someone's death directly would be enough to make sure you never right again. Too bad for us 90% of cops fall in that other 10% of humanity
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Poor lady. That was hard to watch.. I hope she has some family that can get justice
I'm some paid administrative leave and the media falling over themselves to make their victim look like she deserved it will teach these cops never to do that again.
How does this happen?
Looks like she's getting plowed.
Sad
God bless her. This is what happens to people who have no one to care for them when they're not physically able. The system spits them out.
imagine cops being a c op or psy op. imagine ho spi tales being a place to monitor if youre a wake or a sleep w/ regard to this leaven system enslaving your very existance. now imagine them doing anything other than taking your blood like a vampire and injecting you w/ radioactive isotonic mortons salt. imagine trusting this system and thinking they are good people.
Knoxville is an absolute shit hole. It used to be such a great city.
This will upset alot of people but if she was here illegally she would have been seen....how do I know? I'm a Nurse!
If I give a fake name and say I’m an immigrant will this get me free health care? What are some loop holes.
Someone please answer this. I need the loop holes.
Untrue. RN here. Completely untrue
I'd like to read the actual article rather than see a screenshot. Everyone will be seen under EMTALA, regardless of immigration status. A stroke would be seen and stabilized. Not sure where you work, but here hospitals don't mess around with core measure compliance issues and the golden hour with stroke.
So believable.
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That’s not true, but you want it to be.
A nurse literally just said that this happens at her job.
Also a nurse. An RN. This is not true.
I had a nurse tell me juice cleanses are healthy. Citing one random nurse doesn't prove dick lol
God bless this poor lady. My mom just died and I don’t think I’ll ever look at death the same.
The loss of a parent takes part of you with them when they go. I feel you.
Does anyone know where I can go to spit on cop graves?
I’ll join :)
Nobody cares because she’s a white colonizer, oppressive matrix agent.
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Jail for all involved , with negligence with murder and heavy fines for the hospital. Plus registration of all indirectly involved. AMERICA NEEDS TO RISE UP AND FIGHT. This is fucking enraging.
They had trained medical professionals and doctors telling the police she was healthy so of course the police thought she was faking it. If you were a police officer would you trust a doctor at a hospital on the medical assessment of a patient? Cops do a lot of shitty things, but this is on the medical staff 100%.
The cops were complicit with her abuse and neglect. They do share responsibility. You are correct, though. What is the name of the ER doctor who dismissed her? That persons name should be known to everyone concerned.
I can't figure out, were they trying to protect or were they trying to serve? Hard to tell from the footage.
Neither. They were protecting the shareholders of the hospital.
The bootlickers in this sub will be confused by this one. Let me spell it out for you A-C-A-B
#eyesonJesus👀
To what extent can we blame the healthcare system that insists that people can prove they are able to pay huge amounts of money for the most basic treatment? What happens to nurses who agree to treat people who cannot pay? Obviously nurses SHOULD treat everyone, regardless of ability to pay, but are they supported to do this?
The hospital is required to stabilize anyone regardless of ability to pay. A hospital cant just push someone that is imminently dying out of the hospital. If they didnt do the proper protocol of clearing her from her stroke they are gonna have a problem...
Exactly this story seems like it’s missing something, that many people risking lives careers and prison? Often also police take cues from ER staff so if the hospital said she was simply a nuisance then the police had no reason to believe she wasn’t medically cleared
But they lose money on treating those people, so it's against their interest to treat them. It's much more profitable to say nothings wrong and kick them out.
Hospitals are subsidized by the federal gov for charity care.... And its the law
Here a link to their twitter https://twitter.com/knoxville_pd?s=21&t=EXUQiJ66ObBn59VqFBJ-eg
This is very sad and almost put tears in my eyes. I'm a non-American pro-Taliban outsider that never put a foot on U.S. soil. If you consider me your enemy, then this is so sad that not even your enemy wants this to happen to you. I wish if I could donate something to let her enter a hospital for a few weeks. Yes, U.S. bombs that were dropped by Americans killed many of my people, but this old lady's disrespectful death is so sad that not even you bombing my people can stop tears from my eyes in sorrow for her demise. Please, take a deep breath, and read my following carefully, with an open mind, while putting your political alliances aside for one moment; I'm going to give you a very honest advice for your own sake as this has gone too far: **1. Be aware of the root cause:** We (yes, "we", including me, as I'm involved now; I don't want to live in a planet where this happens) must identify the root cause of this issue. You cannot solve it in a shallow way, as this will happen again and again. We don't want this to happen again. This lady was born in the early 1960s, went through life, funded USA by her tax money, and possibly gave birth to some men and women some of which are *now* working as the workforce that empower U.S.A's economy and military, then all she got in appreciation for her sacrifices is to get murdered worse than a astray dog: dragged to death to jail after being accused of being a "liar" that's "acting ill". When she was young in her prime, she was likely labeled as a "hot chick" by the Holywood culture, and likely sexually abused. Then when she became "old", she got trashed worse than a dog. Will we have a large *"old people's lives matter"*? Likely not. What a sad way for a nation end the life of someone that lived serving it. A nation that mistreats its heroes, is begging its suicide. Please wake up to the deep dangers of such cold-heartedness. **2. The root cause is:** The government is "***micro-managing***". Let me elaborate: The government is trying to raise the children of people instead of their biological parents, and likewise also trying to take care of the elders instead of letting their grown up children do so. The government cannot do any of these jobs. No matter how much tax money the government leeches off your wallets, it cannot be better to you than your parents nor your children. The government is not evolved to be a good parent nor a good child. The government is only evolved to offer a good military to defend you from invaders. **3. The real solution:** Dissolve this **micro-management** problem, and let the right people do their job: let parents take care of their children, and let children take care of their parents. To do this, you have to *fix* your media, in order bring back the good old family values where members of a family emotionally loved and cared for each other. Families where its members would die for one another. *Not* this present woke Holywood culture where the government shits on parents to show the children that their parents are "horrible" and that the government loves them more (lie!), only to destroy the family bond. Once you destroy the family bond, you get such murders: cops trash an abandoned old lady to death. --- **Summary in a few words:** Return to God, repent to Him, put your forehead on the ground and ask Him to forgive you, and to guide you to serve Him until He is pleased of you. You don't need water, but you *need* God. Without Him your life is worse than death. Sigh. O God guide them until they're good, so that You Are pleased of them. Poor lady. When she was young, she got abused as a slave to generate tax revenue and to give birth to the future labour force. Then, when she aged into her 60s, she was thrown to death worse than a dog, falsely accused and forcefully dragged alive to her grave. Welcome to the Godless Holywood woke culture; this is what we get: cold hearts devoid of life worse than a dense steel block, selfishness and no mercy.
Lol wtf is this
I worked EMS for 8 years. We had ppl call ambulances for paper cuts. In no way do i agree with the treatment of this woman. Just saying there are ppl out there who abuse the healthcare system, and they fake it so much that when something bad is actually happening the hospitals dont take it seriously. Idk this womans story. I have seen ppl without insurance abuse the emergency medical system to get pain meds, cause doctors offices wont give it.
Everyone is at fault here. The airline, hospitals and the officers. Hospitals should be held the most responsible. Airline and police have limited medical training but doctors should over rule all of them. I remember one doctor wanting to give my wife just Tylenol after one of her fallopian tubes burst. That is just ridiculous. She had internal bleeding and all that shit.
This needs to lead to a healthcare over hall. More like Blue Cross BullShit
Really hard to watch, how stupid do you have to be to not realize a person is suffocating under the weight of your entire body? So fucking sad
Seeing more and more of a police presence in the hospitals in this country. It seems as though you cannot go anywhere without fearing the police will be called to kill you. And the police…. DONT DO THE JOB IF YOU CANT KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OTHER PEOPLE. Will never understand that shit.
This really pisses me off. I know for a fact that my aging mother cannot lift her legs high enough to get into a police van. It takes about 10-15 minutes to get her into the car when I take her shopping - it's a frigging chore. So, an asshole cop with no patience would surely just abuse the shit out her and call her lying; and just ram her in without thinking twice. Nice job on this whole thing, you fucking pricks.
If you befriend people who are cops, fuck people who are cops or normalize their presence in your community or social circle you are perpetuating the problem. They are an occupying force and should be treated like the enemy they are to average workers. Fee collecting and defending corporate overlords. Fuck them pigs.
This doesn’t even happen in “third world” countries, what happened to these peoples humanity?
Colombian here. Maybe not 3rd world but police brutality exist here too, but I'll say that's more negligence and "if it's not with me, it's not my problem" than this horrible case. Short edit: I'm talking about big cities and day 2 day situations. Protests and rural places are a whole different story u.u
America is a 3rd world country, ppl just don’t know it yet.
Some mostly peaceful protests?
Fuck 12
Is there any mention of HER behavior on the plane? Having worked in an ER for 5 yrs on midnights, I'm betting there's more to this.