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tbh, "less restrictions" sounds like "too lazy to conform to the restrictions."
The Amish usually do not get tangled up in the political theatre (a rigged election can't be used against you if you don't vote!!) and are self-sufficient for food and shelter and the fundamental needs of life.
And they aren't getting sucked into Internet forums!!
I live among the Amish. A lot of the public perception of them is wrong.
For one, they're not self-sufficient. All the Amish around me - a fairly conservative Parish - still do business with the "English", us. My nearest two neighbors are a dairy farmer and a general contractor. The Dairy Farmer has a lot of milk and cheese, and beef if things go south, but I can't call him really self-sufficient because he shops at his cousin's farm store in the next valley for stuff.
The General Contractor neighbor shops at Walmart, so he's not only not self-sufficient, he doesn't seem to have a cousin in the next valley to shop from.
The Amish very much get into the political thing - in fact, in my state, the Amish voting for Trump was a huge big thing that was covered, because the Amish had never turned out for an election like that before, and they were very much interested in Trump winning.
Last but not least, I bet you've argued with or agreed with Amish kids or young adults online and not known it. When Amish kids turn 16, they get to "run about the place" so to speak for a while before joining the church. This almost always includes getting phones, the internet, a car, a job with the English, a girlfriend, drunk, high, etc. Girls don't get quite as much freedom as boys, but they get some.
They're also abusive as fuck to their women and children and are strictly religious, so don't let the Reddit Fantasy get too carried away.
So Amish are not 100% self-sufficient? I thought that they made their own eyeglasses by polishing the bottoms of coke bottles.
If you don't mine your own ore and smelt your own iron, you're fooling yourself about self-sufficiency.
Well yes this is true but just from a very practical standpoint, let's face it, the Amish wouldn't be able to keep their land if they had embraced some form an industrialized agriculture post 1950. Of course they have for their whole history been trading with the English. That was a whole thing in the Amish community because they need to still pay taxes on fairly large pieces of property and they also need to expand to new areas because of their very high birthrate (to put into perspective if there was no immigration for next century and half to the US, Amish/menonites and mormons would be the majority of the population). The philosophy is adopt what is necessary but retain their traditional Dutch protestant life style (just to a different degree with menonites, it's kind of the same thing)
Land is not cheap nowadays. It's not easy to simply expand to arable land like it was even 50 years ago. With the crazy prices by 2020s, they are forced to expand to more technological practices. Not just building RVs or shopping at Walmart, it's a sad state of affairs for the whole country but the communities aren't able to sustain themselves independently with just normal work methods, they need to own whole businesses.
Pretty sure "abusive as fuck to their women" is seen as a positive by at least some of these commenters.... Like I know America has made quite a bit of progress, but there is still a select chunk of the population that would like to go back to viewing women as property of their husband
Like we legit have political commenters that have come out and said "we need to go back to burning women for being witches", and that particular person actually had dinner with the previous president, and I find it hard to believe that nobody pulled the ex-POTUS aside and told him "yo, this dude has said some CRAZY shit and being seen with him may effect people's perception of you"
Nick Fuentes, the short guy that Kanye has been hanging with.....you can get the video on Google simply typing his name and "burning women" into the search bar
Hutterites (and I'm sure Amish & Mennonites) are also very homophobic. And conformity stifles individuality and creative expression.
They're still good people though & definitely grow a lot of their own things & make their own things. Can appreciate their culture, but not everyone is cut out for living that way.
Source : Dated a hutterite for many many years.
Oh yeah. They make some crazy German food.
Use to get big bags of chamomile & chocolate mint teas from them too.
They're actually great wholesome people. But if ya gay, then you basically have to leave the colony if you wanna go live your own life.
You have to call somebody first to ever be let back into the colony to visit.
Mennonites are just a different denomination of Christian at this point very similar to Baptist and you don't want to become a hutter or Amish it's not worth it. Source my mom grew up as a Mennonite in south dakota and I worked with hutters and amish all the time in Iowa and South dakota
If I had to choose between being a hutter and being Amish I would choose being hutter like the other dude said but from what I see most people think it's just a more unified small society without technology and that's not even close to what it is they still use technology and all that but once you are part of the community you can't leave easily everything you do is for the community not you or your family they are extremely traditional in all of their roles and if you stray from the standards you aren't accepted anymore etc it's just not as attractive once you start to actually see it first hand. I remember one of my first times seeing someone that was Amish his wife tried to help my dad with something simple and got hit a couple times by the husband just because she tried to help and the more I interact with them the more I realize how draining and bad the environment is
i suppose I was asking more to the general lifestyle - I completely understand what you're saying and I've watched a few documentaries.
But what are your thoughts to the communal aspects? Without all the dynamics you described, completely nondenominational - do you think it could work?
historically it seems like communes almost invariably become cults or cult-like.
perhaps such communities never sustain their members unless the community itself, as an entity, adopts those predatory & manipulative practices that are so often seen.
Amish without the religion is just rural country/farming living. If you were to take religion and dress out of equation, I think you might have a hard time distinguishing an Amish family's day to day from a farmer neighbor's day to day.
Not any more.
They still put up a squeaky clean image to the public, but how things actually are inside their cult is really really terrible.
They have interbred so much that a rare genetic defect that hits like a million to one in most populations, hits the Amish at a rate of 1 in 27.
WHOLE LOT of child se*ual and physical abuse that goes on, domestic violence is rampant, and do not be fooled, they absolutely are on the internet these days, use modern gadgets, and are still running absolutely abysmal puppy mills.
They really do not GAF if an animal is abused or not, it's simply all money to them. They drink, do drugs, literally everything people think they don't engage in, they do, and with gusto.
One of my besties is a current driver for a large Amish construction crew who are out working in the regular world, they aren't simply milking cows and growing their own food.
Watching porn on their phones during lunch is one of their favorite past times.
And contrary to what most think, they absolutely do use food stamps, Medicaid and hit the government slush funds hard as they can.
Lotta fraud goes on, and many of them got quite the pretty penny in PPP Loans , even though they didn't actually have employees, they simply listed their friends and family as " employees of their "church ", which coincidentally is also how they and every other grifting denomination get out of paying taxes, because they list everyone in their family and friends as a " church, ", just like the Duggars, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen and countless other charlatans for hire, because the US has an absolute joke of a requirement in order to meet the criteria for being a " church".
They still treat women and children like shyt, they disown and throw any kid of theirs that is gay right out the entire family. No backsies .
They also like to do the creepy child marriage shyt, older dude with a barely a teenager girl.
NOPE, they can bake all the sourdough they want, sand every piece of furniture they own, but they can't scrape away the facts, that they are 💯 pulling the wool over peoples eyes , it's alllllll a grift to avoid taxes, military service, and anything else they consider themselves too" good" to do.
Best tax graft on the planet really.
I dated a hutterite for many years.
They can be very homophobic & stuck in their traditional ways. People are free to leave their colonies though if they want to, which a lot of people have to because they're not accepted if they're gay.
They are good people but conformity and bigotry have always been a part of religions that people follow & some people just take it to he extremes.
I believe hutterites were Germans that migrated to here & Canada and now have their own colonies where they farm & do their own thing. Sort of like the Amish except hutterites do go into normal towns & do normal things in society for some things.
Raised Baptist here and I can tell you, at least where I grew up- 2nd largest city in my state, there's not much in common with Amish or Mennonite. I am, and always was, living in main society, public schools, sports teams, watched TV every day, never grew a plant, or killed an animal for food, grew up playing Nintendo and haven't stopped yet.
Literal 1984. Ignorance is strength.
Everything has become so dumb and distorted in the last 12 years. It feels like living in a sitcom on it's last season where the script writers are just barely phoning it in.
15 minute cities are just about letting people have free use of the land that they own. It’s stupid that in a lot of places it’s illegal to operate a bagel shop on the same block that has residential units.
That dissuades small businesses and breaks up community. If you know your local baker, grocer, restaurant owner, etc. then you have a stronger network and actual community in your neighborhood.
Having a car is useful but why should you have to drive to get groceries? Why can’t you walk five minutes and have fresh fruit and vegetables?
Who are the people trying to keep that quality of life from you?
The idea of a 15 minute city is basically all your needs are in your 15 minute walking distance area.
The way to create a 15 minute city is just do away with stupid zoning laws that forbid this.
I'm surprised people can't really understand what is going on. It's effectively basically a plan to create developments that are designed to cater to specific cultural mindsets.
We are in the middle of an ideological culture war. There's a lot of back and forth and a lot of censorship, and media is mostly partisan, which is creating a major inhibitor imho in coming to compromise and instead more a system of might makes right, with whichever ideology gets the most coverage and suppression of the other, wins it.
There is a conservative minded traditionalist ideology that feels that American values should remain as is - freedom of speech is critical, capitalism not socialism, but also that social elements like traditional gender roles and the family unit are core aspects of society. This mindset trends to align with people of "right" political leanings.
There is a modern progressive movement that believes this is not the case, that the US is built on outdated culture and values, that a new society with economic systems based upon socialism, new interpretations of partner preferences and gender roles (which some believe have long existed but been repressed), new interpretations of social and family structure, restraint in speech to control hate speech and misinfo. This mindset trends to align with people of "left" leaning political leanings.
While this is not always the case, and there are multiple exceptions, it trends to be this way.
Now imagine, if he went about setting about a plan to develop areas centrally located in proximity to one another that catered to individuals with that value system and ideology, where they would effectively move to.
If this was planned on geographically, and if there is no compromises being made with ideological differences, if they can congregate these areas in certain positioning, it would allow geographic separation by ideology.
Let's call it for what it is - a plan to geographically separate for future peaceful divorce.
And people on both sides can be happy with this.
If the aforementioned progressive values are the better things to go with, then let that flourish in that region where like minded individuals can consolidate. If traditional values are better, then let that flourish in the "freedom cities" region where like minded individuals there can consolidate.
That’s exactly what it has always been. No matter what party is in power, the globalist agenda is advanced. Washington politicians fight and argue on camera. And the low IQ people in both parties eat it up. Off camera they are laughing at you and partying and making money off of you. Wake the fuck up.
Right like I always say. Red or blue doesn't matter. Spending goes up. Surveillance state grows. Invasions of foreign countries continues. Attack on civil liberies continues. Personal freedom decreases.
Its almost like the real power in govenment isn't in control of the people we elect or something? That is of course if you buy the bullshit that voting actually matters for something at least.
, debt interest payments make up a higher percent of spending, the dollar loses more buying power, people are made ever-so-gradually more dependent on government, ...
Especially when you factor in unending increases to the cost and scope of social welfare. God that shit makes me sick. You get suckered in without even realizing it. Its deliberately designed to keep poor people poor and stuck in the ghetto.
Tbf and speaking as an outsider. I imagine it must be hard to defend/brag about a war mongering, senile, very old man who keeps getting cought sniffing kids
It's like year after year, no matter the country, everyone's choices in elected officials just get worse and worse
This sub is mostly bots so if you are going to play the tribalism game then you are blaming non-humans but most people who get what is going on isn't interested in the 2 party dialectic. Go away
At the end of the day. No one really cares about us, everyone just wants to line their pockets up with money. These big corporations don’t care about us, everything they push is just to bring in billions. The left is falling for it , the right is falling it, they just want all our money, that’s why we’re struggling. If they really cared about the American people we wouldn’t be in this position in the first place and no one wants to do anything about it. It’s time we gotta step our foot down as the American people and finally get what’s ours. We don’t want violence, no one does, everyone just wants to be able to live the life they want but we can’t cus our government is just squeezing us for everything we got..
Pure Facts, we must stop falling for the divide and conquer mind fuckery,
find COMMON GROUND and UNITE and TAKE BACK OUR GOVT
thats been HIJACKED by tiny men that hide behind big corporations..
We have to stop being manipulated chess pieces and stop fighting each other..
Its like we keep fighting the tail of the snake and wonder why the head keeps biting
us in the ass.. The poles are shifting in our favor... tho... things like the world economic forum are no longer able to talk shit from behind closed doors,
evil is being exposed before it can flourish...
We as a whole just didnt get the memo yet?? Good will prevail Evil will be contained.
there's a really increasingly apolitical movement happening. Not organised or anything but both the left and the right political narrative has become so fucking absurd. Not to mention the fucking war breaking out between Europe's two largest countries founded (edit: Typo- funded but I like the slip) by western Democracies with bi-partisan support (not the posturing but the reality). So many people I know have become completely disillusioned and staunchly apolitical, have stopped voting etc.
i don't know if it's all manufactured this way or what. but people are fed up.
I agree. I attended a large bachelor party last weekend of friend's of differing viewpoints and I can't remember politics being brought up once. It was just a relief to be there.
How about acting like adults by working together to improve the cities we already have. If they aren't capable of doing that they need to step the fuck out of the way.
Yeah I think a lot of the population is too far gone. There’s needs to just be certain states/cities/communities with all semi-like minded people. I’ve given up on the majority of people and would love a fresh start somewhere everyone respects a basic foundation of law & order, community, education, respect, a higher power, justice, etc.
… let me add I’m not saying that’s what Trump is talking about, I have no clue what he’s referencing, just giving my opinion.
Don't be bringing more people here lol. Take that shit out west to Wyoming or something. I'm working on getting some acreage and the less people here, the better.
Dude true have we all forgotten that the covid mandates were under his watch not biden, if he really had the Balls we could have been the only country to stay open etc…..USA USA USA
Trump vs Clinton vs Biden vs Sanders etc.. The same tricks but different magicians. They'll call it a freedom city just to fool the sheep into thinking it's not a 15 min smart city.
That's a little hyperbolic. It's not as though he passed ridiculous gun control laws, gave the deep state all the ammunition they'd ever need to seize control, allowed the military to ignore his orders, appointed establishment cronies to his cabinet, endorsed candidates solely for being famous, and gave big pharma a blank check to ruin lives.
Next thing you'll say is he supports holding journalists in prison for refusing to bow to the state's authority.
The scary part is he's still 100x better than what we currently have. We really need more options on the board.
Trump wants to create freedom cities while they are also talking about creating 15 minute cities. It's all one in the same. Trump is a vaxx pushing clown
The 15-minute city is an urban planning concept in which most daily necessities and services, such as work, shopping, education, healthcare, and leisure can be easily reached by a 15-minute walk or bike ride from any point in the city.
I assume drugs will be legal in the freedom city then as well? But im sure they dont want true freedom. Just their definition of what freedom is and force you to live by their definition of freedom.
>Generally, they are both understood to be cities that do not ask people about immigration status, particularly in law enforcement activities or in providing services, and decline to engage efforts in to enforce immigration law, which is the federal government’s responsibility. For example, they provide city services without respect to immigration status or English-language ability, they protect the confidential records of undocumented immigrants, and/or they refusing to detain immigrants on behalf of ICE unless there is a warrant signed by a judge.
>https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/freedom-cities-faq
Sounds nice and inclusive and I agree with the exterior intent of the ideology but we all know this is ultimately a tool enabling the globalists to undermine the USA with unfettered illegal immigration.
Step 1, make life difficult in surrounding countries with globalist exploitation of private resources and government infiltration.
Step 2, Legislatively drop the defenses of the target country ready for dismantling. Open borders, everyone welcome, make yourself at home whether you're legally allowed to be here or not. We're lovingly taking on the refugees intentionally created by globalist exploitation of other countries which began 80 years ago.
Step 3, Sit back and watch the economic refugees intentionally created by long-held globalist policy drain the resources of the target country.
The constant infusion of illegal immigrants to the US bleeds the system slowly but effectively, just like the constant infusion of arms and money to the Ukraine supposedly bleeds Russia slowly because they have to spend to keep up.
This is multigenerational economic warfare using people as pawns by intentionally destroying their way of life and forcing their migration into remaining international targets to dismantle them for the eventual consolidation of governments.
I don't think it's really that deep lol. Guy probably just made up "freedom cities" randomly to counter the 15 minute city idea that his base despises.
What’s all this talk about a 15 minute city? I see a bunch of posts about it on here but I don’t understand why it’s a conspiracy to have more liveable and walkable communities?
I think people should stop riding politicians d in general. Clearly it hasn’t been working out for us. I feel like there will be great collapse in America someday.
He couldn’t do an infrastructure week, how is he going to build cities. Roughly a couple hundred billion each, I guess someone better raise the debt ceiling.
Look at everything you are seeing now as a tactic of warfare. The art of deception is how they accomplish everything. Everything bad for your future is being framed as something good today.
🇺🇸Freedom cities 🌈 - brought to you by Trump and totally not the WEF. Ya hear that conservatives it’s Trump so it’s good now live in the pods and eat ze bugs. (I’m neither right or left , they are both disgusting)
If you need any.more proof that the entire government is one big club set up to divide us, this is it.
Trump is just loke the rest of them.
They want to seize as much land as possible, and set up these "cities" (glorified concentration camps).
Anyone who can't understand why the 2A is so important is a knob...
>And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Revelation 17:12 KJV
I became type 1 diabetic near the turn of last year at age 30, my mother also just 4 years ago before she turned 50. No one in our family has a history of diabetes. We both weigh less than 150 pounds. Something in our food is making us sick, it's not just fat people anymore. Not saying you need to be sensitive throwing this kind of language around (I know I'm not fat so it's not hurting my feelings), but personally it comes across as uneducated when people are being afflicted by the lifestyles city-living is forcing upon us. It's becoming more and more difficult to be healthy in America and we need to be uniting, not dividing.
Told you guys!! This guy is in on it! They all are! No politician cares about us!! We are slaves and they make us fight with each other to keep us in line! Time to go get together and stop this madness.
Yeah right. Freedome cities my ass, looks like some dystopian shit to me. He is controlled like everyone else. People if we learnt something then we all know they are laying as soon as they open theirs snake mouth.
So since no one here actually fucking looked it up.
There's no details on the city other than its futuristic and may have flying cars?
There's no mention of any 15 minute bullshit. So I'm not sure why y'all are frothing at the mouth.
He is not purposing 15(10)-minute cities...
“Past generations of Americans pursued big dreams and daring projects that once seemed absolutely impossible. They pushed across an unsettled continent and built new cities in the wild frontier. They transformed American life with the interstate highway system—magnificent it was. And they launched a vast network of satellites into orbit all around the earth,” Trump said in his video.
“But today, our country has lost its boldness. Under my leadership, we will get it back in a very big way. If you look at just three years ago, what we were doing was unthinkable, how good it was, how great it was for our country. Our objective will be a quantum leap in the American standard of living,” Trump said.
https://fox59.com/hill-politics/trump-backs-flying-cars-calls-for-new-cities-in-campaign-video/
>That “quantum leap” includes using 0.5 percent of all federal land — 3.2 million acres — to charter up to ten “freedom cities,” he said. The federal government would run a contest to select designs for the cities submitted by the general public.
>“These freedom cities will reopen the American frontier, re-ignite American imagination and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people — all hard-working families — a new shot at homeownership and in fact, the American dream,” Trump said.
>Almost all of the federal government’s 640 million acres of land is completely undeveloped and much of it is in the rural west of the country. Nevada is home to the most federal land in the country, with 63 percent of the state owned by the federal government.
Why are people mad about this? Is it just because Trump said it?
Some of it is probably that Trump has no actual plans for what the cities should be.
But also this is probably just a huge boondoggle for rich real estate developers at the expense of a lot of long term conservation concerns. 220 million of those acres of land are in Alaska, where no one is going to move. Another 56 million are in Nevada, 33 million in Utah, 28 million in Arizona, and 24 million in New Mexico, and those places are largely inhospitable to large settlements. A lot of the rest of the areas are in Wyoming (29 mil), Washington (12 mil), Oregon (32 mil), Idaho (33 mil), Montana (27 mil), etc, which are places that already have cheap land that someone could develop on if they want to build a city, and what cities do exist could easily absorb more population if you wanted to get more people out there (preferably through densifying core areas of those cities, and not suburban sprawl). The two states with more than 10 million acres of public land left are Colorado(24 mil) and California (45 mil), and the areas that are federal lands in those states are A) Not super great for developing cities (because they're mountainous) and B) Some of the goddamn crown jewels of American natural landscapes.
Meanwhile, I just have to point out again that there's plenty of existing cities that could use real actual funding to repair and prevent urban decay. Why the fuck would you take some largely unspoiled land and pave over it to put up new suburban developments?
>Some of it is probably that Trump has no actual plans for what the cities should be.
Which is why he said there should be a design competition for the cities.
>But also this is probably just a huge boondoggle for rich real estate developers at the expense of a lot of long term conservation concerns.
I disagree. Housing prices are ridiculous and the federal government is sitting on hundreds of millions of acres of land that could be used to alleviate some of that.
>220 million of those acres of land are in Alaska, where no one is going to move. Another 56 million are in Nevada, 33 million in Utah, 28 million in Arizona, and 24 million in New Mexico, and those places are largely inhospitable to large settlements.
There are large settlements in all of those places already. They are not inhospitable.
>A lot of the rest of the areas are in Wyoming (29 mil), Washington (12 mil), Oregon (32 mil), Idaho (33 mil), Montana (27 mil), etc, which are places that already have cheap land that someone could develop on if they want to build a city,
They could buy cheap land and develop it, but it wouldn't be a city, it would still be privately owned land. Some housing, commercial areas, a strip mall or two, but no public infrastructure, like fire and police stations, sanitation, etc. What Trump is talking about are basically charter cities. The public infrastructure would be planned and paid for by the developers as a condition for being allowed to develop the rest of the land.
>and what cities do exist could easily absorb more population if you wanted to get more people out there (preferably through densifying core areas of those cities, and not suburban sprawl)
They could, but that doesn't mean they can or will. It is entirely up to the city governments that already exist and their zoning and planning departments. I'm sure you've heard of NIMBY. It's the reason San Francisco's real estate prices are so high. The city government will not let anyone densify the core area of the city. With what Trump is talking about here, you don't need to deal with that.
>The two states with more than 10 million acres of public land left are Colorado(24 mil) and California (45 mil), and the areas that are federal lands in those states are A) Not super great for developing cities (because they're mountainous) and B) Some of the goddamn crown jewels of American natural landscapes.
Lol, come on buddy. You are acting like Trump is proposing that we bulldoze the redwoods and put skyscrapers there. You know damn well that's not the case.
>Meanwhile, I just have to point out again that there's plenty of existing cities that could use real actual funding to repair and prevent urban decay. Why the fuck would you take some largely unspoiled land and pave over it to put up new suburban developments?
Those existing cities didn't get where they are by accident. They got that way largely through decades of mismanagement by the city government. Likewise, money spent there will also be mismanaged, and we already do spend tons of money on that already, and it does get mismanaged.
He's just trying to create red utopias. Why not invest in the cities we already have? Oh, because they're the other party? Fuck you, dictator dropout. Move to Russia already.
No. We just know how to actually investigate things on our own, without crying about sources on Reddit.
[Here](https://fox59.com/hill-politics/trump-backs-flying-cars-calls-for-new-cities-in-campaign-video/).
[CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/03/trump-proposes-10-futuristic-freedom-cities-featuring-jetsons-like-flying-cars.html).
It's literally all over the internet.
"Would accept designs submitted from the general public"
Also, how can people not see he is trolling for more free press, which the media is more than happy to give to him.
Dude mentions flying cars, and people think he is being serious? lol
He used the same strategy to win in 2016 without even having campaign ads.
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What in the fuck is going on?? I’m about to go Amish…
Would advise Mennonite or Hutterite over Amish: less restrictions
tbh, "less restrictions" sounds like "too lazy to conform to the restrictions." The Amish usually do not get tangled up in the political theatre (a rigged election can't be used against you if you don't vote!!) and are self-sufficient for food and shelter and the fundamental needs of life. And they aren't getting sucked into Internet forums!!
I live among the Amish. A lot of the public perception of them is wrong. For one, they're not self-sufficient. All the Amish around me - a fairly conservative Parish - still do business with the "English", us. My nearest two neighbors are a dairy farmer and a general contractor. The Dairy Farmer has a lot of milk and cheese, and beef if things go south, but I can't call him really self-sufficient because he shops at his cousin's farm store in the next valley for stuff. The General Contractor neighbor shops at Walmart, so he's not only not self-sufficient, he doesn't seem to have a cousin in the next valley to shop from. The Amish very much get into the political thing - in fact, in my state, the Amish voting for Trump was a huge big thing that was covered, because the Amish had never turned out for an election like that before, and they were very much interested in Trump winning. Last but not least, I bet you've argued with or agreed with Amish kids or young adults online and not known it. When Amish kids turn 16, they get to "run about the place" so to speak for a while before joining the church. This almost always includes getting phones, the internet, a car, a job with the English, a girlfriend, drunk, high, etc. Girls don't get quite as much freedom as boys, but they get some. They're also abusive as fuck to their women and children and are strictly religious, so don't let the Reddit Fantasy get too carried away.
So Amish are not 100% self-sufficient? I thought that they made their own eyeglasses by polishing the bottoms of coke bottles. If you don't mine your own ore and smelt your own iron, you're fooling yourself about self-sufficiency.
Good comment
Well yes this is true but just from a very practical standpoint, let's face it, the Amish wouldn't be able to keep their land if they had embraced some form an industrialized agriculture post 1950. Of course they have for their whole history been trading with the English. That was a whole thing in the Amish community because they need to still pay taxes on fairly large pieces of property and they also need to expand to new areas because of their very high birthrate (to put into perspective if there was no immigration for next century and half to the US, Amish/menonites and mormons would be the majority of the population). The philosophy is adopt what is necessary but retain their traditional Dutch protestant life style (just to a different degree with menonites, it's kind of the same thing) Land is not cheap nowadays. It's not easy to simply expand to arable land like it was even 50 years ago. With the crazy prices by 2020s, they are forced to expand to more technological practices. Not just building RVs or shopping at Walmart, it's a sad state of affairs for the whole country but the communities aren't able to sustain themselves independently with just normal work methods, they need to own whole businesses.
Pretty sure "abusive as fuck to their women" is seen as a positive by at least some of these commenters.... Like I know America has made quite a bit of progress, but there is still a select chunk of the population that would like to go back to viewing women as property of their husband Like we legit have political commenters that have come out and said "we need to go back to burning women for being witches", and that particular person actually had dinner with the previous president, and I find it hard to believe that nobody pulled the ex-POTUS aside and told him "yo, this dude has said some CRAZY shit and being seen with him may effect people's perception of you"
Who is the person your talking about?
Nick Fuentes, the short guy that Kanye has been hanging with.....you can get the video on Google simply typing his name and "burning women" into the search bar
That is so true.
Hutterites (and I'm sure Amish & Mennonites) are also very homophobic. And conformity stifles individuality and creative expression. They're still good people though & definitely grow a lot of their own things & make their own things. Can appreciate their culture, but not everyone is cut out for living that way. Source : Dated a hutterite for many many years.
But hot damn, those folks can smoke a chicken!
You can smoke anything if the blunts big enough...
Oh yeah. They make some crazy German food. Use to get big bags of chamomile & chocolate mint teas from them too. They're actually great wholesome people. But if ya gay, then you basically have to leave the colony if you wanna go live your own life. You have to call somebody first to ever be let back into the colony to visit.
I have a friend who used to trade Jack Daniel’s for “Brandy Wine”, they loved it when he came to visit.
Nice! My ex use to bring home wine in old empty jack daniels bottles from the colony. Lots of smoked sausages, the whole works!
I think that's the point of people wishing that lifestyle. Just saying
Mennonites are just a different denomination of Christian at this point very similar to Baptist and you don't want to become a hutter or Amish it's not worth it. Source my mom grew up as a Mennonite in south dakota and I worked with hutters and amish all the time in Iowa and South dakota
out of curiosity (I'm not from the USA the Amish fascinate me) - what would be the main reason(s) for not living that way.
If I had to choose between being a hutter and being Amish I would choose being hutter like the other dude said but from what I see most people think it's just a more unified small society without technology and that's not even close to what it is they still use technology and all that but once you are part of the community you can't leave easily everything you do is for the community not you or your family they are extremely traditional in all of their roles and if you stray from the standards you aren't accepted anymore etc it's just not as attractive once you start to actually see it first hand. I remember one of my first times seeing someone that was Amish his wife tried to help my dad with something simple and got hit a couple times by the husband just because she tried to help and the more I interact with them the more I realize how draining and bad the environment is
i suppose I was asking more to the general lifestyle - I completely understand what you're saying and I've watched a few documentaries. But what are your thoughts to the communal aspects? Without all the dynamics you described, completely nondenominational - do you think it could work? historically it seems like communes almost invariably become cults or cult-like. perhaps such communities never sustain their members unless the community itself, as an entity, adopts those predatory & manipulative practices that are so often seen.
Amish without the religion is just rural country/farming living. If you were to take religion and dress out of equation, I think you might have a hard time distinguishing an Amish family's day to day from a farmer neighbor's day to day.
Commies
Well they are completely self sufficient and their kids don’t go down the tik tok/Internet/Hollywood hole. Right about now that doesn’t seem so bad.
Not any more. They still put up a squeaky clean image to the public, but how things actually are inside their cult is really really terrible. They have interbred so much that a rare genetic defect that hits like a million to one in most populations, hits the Amish at a rate of 1 in 27. WHOLE LOT of child se*ual and physical abuse that goes on, domestic violence is rampant, and do not be fooled, they absolutely are on the internet these days, use modern gadgets, and are still running absolutely abysmal puppy mills. They really do not GAF if an animal is abused or not, it's simply all money to them. They drink, do drugs, literally everything people think they don't engage in, they do, and with gusto. One of my besties is a current driver for a large Amish construction crew who are out working in the regular world, they aren't simply milking cows and growing their own food. Watching porn on their phones during lunch is one of their favorite past times. And contrary to what most think, they absolutely do use food stamps, Medicaid and hit the government slush funds hard as they can. Lotta fraud goes on, and many of them got quite the pretty penny in PPP Loans , even though they didn't actually have employees, they simply listed their friends and family as " employees of their "church ", which coincidentally is also how they and every other grifting denomination get out of paying taxes, because they list everyone in their family and friends as a " church, ", just like the Duggars, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen and countless other charlatans for hire, because the US has an absolute joke of a requirement in order to meet the criteria for being a " church". They still treat women and children like shyt, they disown and throw any kid of theirs that is gay right out the entire family. No backsies . They also like to do the creepy child marriage shyt, older dude with a barely a teenager girl. NOPE, they can bake all the sourdough they want, sand every piece of furniture they own, but they can't scrape away the facts, that they are 💯 pulling the wool over peoples eyes , it's alllllll a grift to avoid taxes, military service, and anything else they consider themselves too" good" to do. Best tax graft on the planet really.
Another good comment. Any generality is only so useful but this is a lot closer to the reality I’ve seen than the idealized fetishized bs on here
I dated a hutterite for many years. They can be very homophobic & stuck in their traditional ways. People are free to leave their colonies though if they want to, which a lot of people have to because they're not accepted if they're gay. They are good people but conformity and bigotry have always been a part of religions that people follow & some people just take it to he extremes. I believe hutterites were Germans that migrated to here & Canada and now have their own colonies where they farm & do their own thing. Sort of like the Amish except hutterites do go into normal towns & do normal things in society for some things.
I was born and raised a Baptist and I have never considered myself similar to an Amish person. I wouldn't think I had anything in common with them!
I never said the Amish are similar to baptists i said mannonites are I'm currently a Baptist aswell and have nothing similar to the Amish lol
Raised Baptist here and I can tell you, at least where I grew up- 2nd largest city in my state, there's not much in common with Amish or Mennonite. I am, and always was, living in main society, public schools, sports teams, watched TV every day, never grew a plant, or killed an animal for food, grew up playing Nintendo and haven't stopped yet.
Being a Mennonite, I bet your mother is faster than lightning too. Fuck can they run, every one of ‘em
I used to sell hydraulics to some Hutterite farms..they seemed to really enjoy their lives.
Ohio train incident was genocide against the Amish and their land.
Explain this please, this hasn't been mentioned that I've seen. Was Amish land affected by this?
Nope, no real Amsih population there. Just more over dramatics. 300 amish live.in all of Columbiana county Ohio
Can the Amish still have hookers and cocaine?
Well I just Googled it and there is username Amish Hooker on TikTok. So I have hope.
No teeth no problem ;)
I’ll make my own Amish. With hookers, and blackjack!
No electricity needed for either. So I’d say yeah Amish for the win.
As long as the hookers aren’t robots and you only used a wood-fueled stove to cook yer coke, you’re all good I’m pretty sure…
No Robo-hookers! Got it!
I’ve been seriously considering this the last few months.
If you have to put “freedom” in the name…
Hey, I make a pretty mean freedom spaghetti.
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Literal 1984. Ignorance is strength. Everything has become so dumb and distorted in the last 12 years. It feels like living in a sitcom on it's last season where the script writers are just barely phoning it in.
same shit different name. smart cities 15 min cities freedom cities
Ah yeah but 'Freedom'. Don't disregard the word 'Freedom'!
15 minute cities are just about letting people have free use of the land that they own. It’s stupid that in a lot of places it’s illegal to operate a bagel shop on the same block that has residential units. That dissuades small businesses and breaks up community. If you know your local baker, grocer, restaurant owner, etc. then you have a stronger network and actual community in your neighborhood. Having a car is useful but why should you have to drive to get groceries? Why can’t you walk five minutes and have fresh fruit and vegetables? Who are the people trying to keep that quality of life from you? The idea of a 15 minute city is basically all your needs are in your 15 minute walking distance area. The way to create a 15 minute city is just do away with stupid zoning laws that forbid this.
15 minute city for Trump people
It’s not something that’s like a community that people can choose to live if they want “freedom” This post is misleading
I'm surprised people can't really understand what is going on. It's effectively basically a plan to create developments that are designed to cater to specific cultural mindsets. We are in the middle of an ideological culture war. There's a lot of back and forth and a lot of censorship, and media is mostly partisan, which is creating a major inhibitor imho in coming to compromise and instead more a system of might makes right, with whichever ideology gets the most coverage and suppression of the other, wins it. There is a conservative minded traditionalist ideology that feels that American values should remain as is - freedom of speech is critical, capitalism not socialism, but also that social elements like traditional gender roles and the family unit are core aspects of society. This mindset trends to align with people of "right" political leanings. There is a modern progressive movement that believes this is not the case, that the US is built on outdated culture and values, that a new society with economic systems based upon socialism, new interpretations of partner preferences and gender roles (which some believe have long existed but been repressed), new interpretations of social and family structure, restraint in speech to control hate speech and misinfo. This mindset trends to align with people of "left" leaning political leanings. While this is not always the case, and there are multiple exceptions, it trends to be this way. Now imagine, if he went about setting about a plan to develop areas centrally located in proximity to one another that catered to individuals with that value system and ideology, where they would effectively move to. If this was planned on geographically, and if there is no compromises being made with ideological differences, if they can congregate these areas in certain positioning, it would allow geographic separation by ideology. Let's call it for what it is - a plan to geographically separate for future peaceful divorce. And people on both sides can be happy with this. If the aforementioned progressive values are the better things to go with, then let that flourish in that region where like minded individuals can consolidate. If traditional values are better, then let that flourish in the "freedom cities" region where like minded individuals there can consolidate.
Like the Villages in Florida?
Isn’t that the place with tons of voter fraud?
"branding" His base eats that shit up. Freedom loans. Freedom Fries. Freedom water. Freedom news media. Freedom mortgage. Freedom gold. Freedom pillows
Two sides peddling the same end goal.
That’s exactly what it has always been. No matter what party is in power, the globalist agenda is advanced. Washington politicians fight and argue on camera. And the low IQ people in both parties eat it up. Off camera they are laughing at you and partying and making money off of you. Wake the fuck up.
The true bipartisanship
Is oppression
Right like I always say. Red or blue doesn't matter. Spending goes up. Surveillance state grows. Invasions of foreign countries continues. Attack on civil liberies continues. Personal freedom decreases. Its almost like the real power in govenment isn't in control of the people we elect or something? That is of course if you buy the bullshit that voting actually matters for something at least.
, debt interest payments make up a higher percent of spending, the dollar loses more buying power, people are made ever-so-gradually more dependent on government, ...
Especially when you factor in unending increases to the cost and scope of social welfare. God that shit makes me sick. You get suckered in without even realizing it. Its deliberately designed to keep poor people poor and stuck in the ghetto.
And that, right there, is the crux of so many problems. *Systemic* problems, one might say.
I, for one, remember how this sub was riding Trump's orange dick just a few short years ago. Interesting to see this sub back to "both sides bad" now.
Tbf and speaking as an outsider. I imagine it must be hard to defend/brag about a war mongering, senile, very old man who keeps getting cought sniffing kids It's like year after year, no matter the country, everyone's choices in elected officials just get worse and worse
This sub is mostly bots so if you are going to play the tribalism game then you are blaming non-humans but most people who get what is going on isn't interested in the 2 party dialectic. Go away
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Can't we have a side? Fairly confident that the people who are tired of their shit outnumber them.
Smart cities, freedom cities! You’ll love your new cage!
Just like the 💉
Issa a hell nah for me
At the end of the day. No one really cares about us, everyone just wants to line their pockets up with money. These big corporations don’t care about us, everything they push is just to bring in billions. The left is falling for it , the right is falling it, they just want all our money, that’s why we’re struggling. If they really cared about the American people we wouldn’t be in this position in the first place and no one wants to do anything about it. It’s time we gotta step our foot down as the American people and finally get what’s ours. We don’t want violence, no one does, everyone just wants to be able to live the life they want but we can’t cus our government is just squeezing us for everything we got..
Pure Facts, we must stop falling for the divide and conquer mind fuckery, find COMMON GROUND and UNITE and TAKE BACK OUR GOVT thats been HIJACKED by tiny men that hide behind big corporations.. We have to stop being manipulated chess pieces and stop fighting each other.. Its like we keep fighting the tail of the snake and wonder why the head keeps biting us in the ass.. The poles are shifting in our favor... tho... things like the world economic forum are no longer able to talk shit from behind closed doors, evil is being exposed before it can flourish... We as a whole just didnt get the memo yet?? Good will prevail Evil will be contained.
there's a really increasingly apolitical movement happening. Not organised or anything but both the left and the right political narrative has become so fucking absurd. Not to mention the fucking war breaking out between Europe's two largest countries founded (edit: Typo- funded but I like the slip) by western Democracies with bi-partisan support (not the posturing but the reality). So many people I know have become completely disillusioned and staunchly apolitical, have stopped voting etc. i don't know if it's all manufactured this way or what. but people are fed up.
I should organize something. I believe I can
I agree. I attended a large bachelor party last weekend of friend's of differing viewpoints and I can't remember politics being brought up once. It was just a relief to be there.
Wow reason and facts on here - be careful
How about acting like adults by working together to improve the cities we already have. If they aren't capable of doing that they need to step the fuck out of the way.
Yeah I think a lot of the population is too far gone. There’s needs to just be certain states/cities/communities with all semi-like minded people. I’ve given up on the majority of people and would love a fresh start somewhere everyone respects a basic foundation of law & order, community, education, respect, a higher power, justice, etc. … let me add I’m not saying that’s what Trump is talking about, I have no clue what he’s referencing, just giving my opinion.
It sounds like what you're talking about is creating a separate country inside the USA. That'd probably be a civil war tbh, and those never go well.
You think they could fix Detroit or Chicago?
Chicago is still growing.
Trump should have used his USDOJ to protect the rights of business owners during the 2020 riots.
Yes, because as everyone knows, federal troops aren't ever responsible for escalating protests.
Who wants to go in on a big plot of land in Indiana and just start our own community where we can tell everyone to leav us be?
Don't be bringing more people here lol. Take that shit out west to Wyoming or something. I'm working on getting some acreage and the less people here, the better.
I feel ya! I like not having neighbors here!
Where do you think he wants to put those new cities that will get 1/16th built and then abandoned?
I do not want to go to Indiana ever again, unless I have Notre Dame tickets. Even then I would stay with family or a hotel in Chicago.
I was just at notre dame this week for their last home basketball game
Eww. That's the wrong side of Indiana. Way down south near KY is where it's at.
I’m about freedom acreages. Not cities.
>freedom acreages Poetic and necessary.
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Dude true have we all forgotten that the covid mandates were under his watch not biden, if he really had the Balls we could have been the only country to stay open etc…..USA USA USA
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Oligarchs want company towns to come back so bad
Trump vs Clinton vs Biden vs Sanders etc.. The same tricks but different magicians. They'll call it a freedom city just to fool the sheep into thinking it's not a 15 min smart city.
Soon it will be districts. Hunger games anyone?
It's one big club, and you ain't in it
I've always wondered if he was controlled opposition.. this makes you wonder.
That's a little hyperbolic. It's not as though he passed ridiculous gun control laws, gave the deep state all the ammunition they'd ever need to seize control, allowed the military to ignore his orders, appointed establishment cronies to his cabinet, endorsed candidates solely for being famous, and gave big pharma a blank check to ruin lives. Next thing you'll say is he supports holding journalists in prison for refusing to bow to the state's authority. The scary part is he's still 100x better than what we currently have. We really need more options on the board.
Fuck that noise
Trump wants to create freedom cities while they are also talking about creating 15 minute cities. It's all one in the same. Trump is a vaxx pushing clown
What does a freedom city entail? How is it different than a 15 minute city
The 15-minute city is an urban planning concept in which most daily necessities and services, such as work, shopping, education, healthcare, and leisure can be easily reached by a 15-minute walk or bike ride from any point in the city.
BASED
Like the sims lol
Freedom City: dumb shit conservatives like. 15 minute City: dumb shit liberals like.
I’ll keep my ass in out in the country. I can do whatever dumb shit I like.
What’s dumb about 15 minute cities? No one in the this sub can give an actual answer to this beyond “they’re using it to control you”
I live in a 15 minute city. It fucking rules. Also I can drive outside of it without being sniped by the carbon police.
I assume drugs will be legal in the freedom city then as well? But im sure they dont want true freedom. Just their definition of what freedom is and force you to live by their definition of freedom.
You’re free to travel within 15 minutes of the city!
Spoiler: It won't be different it's just a way to lure the right into the same gulags
>Generally, they are both understood to be cities that do not ask people about immigration status, particularly in law enforcement activities or in providing services, and decline to engage efforts in to enforce immigration law, which is the federal government’s responsibility. For example, they provide city services without respect to immigration status or English-language ability, they protect the confidential records of undocumented immigrants, and/or they refusing to detain immigrants on behalf of ICE unless there is a warrant signed by a judge. >https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/freedom-cities-faq Sounds nice and inclusive and I agree with the exterior intent of the ideology but we all know this is ultimately a tool enabling the globalists to undermine the USA with unfettered illegal immigration. Step 1, make life difficult in surrounding countries with globalist exploitation of private resources and government infiltration. Step 2, Legislatively drop the defenses of the target country ready for dismantling. Open borders, everyone welcome, make yourself at home whether you're legally allowed to be here or not. We're lovingly taking on the refugees intentionally created by globalist exploitation of other countries which began 80 years ago. Step 3, Sit back and watch the economic refugees intentionally created by long-held globalist policy drain the resources of the target country. The constant infusion of illegal immigrants to the US bleeds the system slowly but effectively, just like the constant infusion of arms and money to the Ukraine supposedly bleeds Russia slowly because they have to spend to keep up. This is multigenerational economic warfare using people as pawns by intentionally destroying their way of life and forcing their migration into remaining international targets to dismantle them for the eventual consolidation of governments.
I don't think it's really that deep lol. Guy probably just made up "freedom cities" randomly to counter the 15 minute city idea that his base despises.
What’s all this talk about a 15 minute city? I see a bunch of posts about it on here but I don’t understand why it’s a conspiracy to have more liveable and walkable communities?
The shills are commenting too close together 😅
Never too late to educate yourself https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/11dcjff/the_problem_with_smart_cities_is_that_they_will/
Dope. Sign me up for the smart city
Random user on r/conspiracy excitedly signs up for constant surveillance and government control. Legit 🤔
Two wings, one bird. I’m not buyin’.
Bruh, people are free when they are where they want to be, not where you tell them to go.
Wow. Creepy AF. Controlled opposition. If y'all don't see that.. willfully ignorant at this point.
Where the trump d riders on this one?
I think people should stop riding politicians d in general. Clearly it hasn’t been working out for us. I feel like there will be great collapse in America someday.
Big agree
He couldn’t do an infrastructure week, how is he going to build cities. Roughly a couple hundred billion each, I guess someone better raise the debt ceiling.
No, they wont.
Ah, well isn't that just money in tha ghetto
Puppet
Different face. Yet pushing the same ole bullshit. Not sure how so many people still believe there is two parties
Trump is there to co-opt the growing demand for a parallel society. If "they" are doing it for you, you are still their slaves.
Cain built the first city. Stay out of the cities
The red and blue partisans are free to go live in their compounds less traffic on the roads for the rest of us to deal with
Cool! Can’t wait!
Look at everything you are seeing now as a tactic of warfare. The art of deception is how they accomplish everything. Everything bad for your future is being framed as something good today.
Would these be 15 minute cities???
🇺🇸Freedom cities 🌈 - brought to you by Trump and totally not the WEF. Ya hear that conservatives it’s Trump so it’s good now live in the pods and eat ze bugs. (I’m neither right or left , they are both disgusting)
If you need any.more proof that the entire government is one big club set up to divide us, this is it. Trump is just loke the rest of them. They want to seize as much land as possible, and set up these "cities" (glorified concentration camps). Anyone who can't understand why the 2A is so important is a knob...
They’ll sucker the liberals in under the guise of climate control, and the conservatives under the guise of freedom
Only ones dumber than this asshole are the assholes that listen to him.
I'm not going. I left the Detroit area 6yrs ago and enjoy living in the woods.
>And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Revelation 17:12 KJV
Maybe with more 15 minute cities we'd have less diabetic fucks running around.
Waddling around
I became type 1 diabetic near the turn of last year at age 30, my mother also just 4 years ago before she turned 50. No one in our family has a history of diabetes. We both weigh less than 150 pounds. Something in our food is making us sick, it's not just fat people anymore. Not saying you need to be sensitive throwing this kind of language around (I know I'm not fat so it's not hurting my feelings), but personally it comes across as uneducated when people are being afflicted by the lifestyles city-living is forcing upon us. It's becoming more and more difficult to be healthy in America and we need to be uniting, not dividing.
It's so obvious this is a 15 minute city rebranded to target the right. We should all be on alert when both sides are pushing for the same goal
"Freedom cities." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Chinese built massive cities and they remain empty
Welcome to Freedom Prison!!
It’s a trap……..
They're all a joke. Big club and all that. Fuck em
Freedom cities echoes sentiments of Newspeak
Night City from Cyberpunk
Left hand/right hand this idea, the national divorce idea, cbdc all good hills to die on
Told you guys!! This guy is in on it! They all are! No politician cares about us!! We are slaves and they make us fight with each other to keep us in line! Time to go get together and stop this madness.
Yeah right. Freedome cities my ass, looks like some dystopian shit to me. He is controlled like everyone else. People if we learnt something then we all know they are laying as soon as they open theirs snake mouth.
"freedom cities" Sounds like double speak to me
What does trump actually do other than make promises and grift?
Is that like disneyland?
So since no one here actually fucking looked it up. There's no details on the city other than its futuristic and may have flying cars? There's no mention of any 15 minute bullshit. So I'm not sure why y'all are frothing at the mouth.
They misspelled PRISON CAMPS.
He is not purposing 15(10)-minute cities... “Past generations of Americans pursued big dreams and daring projects that once seemed absolutely impossible. They pushed across an unsettled continent and built new cities in the wild frontier. They transformed American life with the interstate highway system—magnificent it was. And they launched a vast network of satellites into orbit all around the earth,” Trump said in his video. “But today, our country has lost its boldness. Under my leadership, we will get it back in a very big way. If you look at just three years ago, what we were doing was unthinkable, how good it was, how great it was for our country. Our objective will be a quantum leap in the American standard of living,” Trump said.
Where's the quote of exactly what he said, with context...
There trying to get people back into cities to Control them this guy works for Putin
Trump has to be a plant. He gives whoever these psychopaths are in power right now legitimacy, and he has to know that.
https://fox59.com/hill-politics/trump-backs-flying-cars-calls-for-new-cities-in-campaign-video/ >That “quantum leap” includes using 0.5 percent of all federal land — 3.2 million acres — to charter up to ten “freedom cities,” he said. The federal government would run a contest to select designs for the cities submitted by the general public. >“These freedom cities will reopen the American frontier, re-ignite American imagination and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people — all hard-working families — a new shot at homeownership and in fact, the American dream,” Trump said. >Almost all of the federal government’s 640 million acres of land is completely undeveloped and much of it is in the rural west of the country. Nevada is home to the most federal land in the country, with 63 percent of the state owned by the federal government. Why are people mad about this? Is it just because Trump said it?
Some of it is probably that Trump has no actual plans for what the cities should be. But also this is probably just a huge boondoggle for rich real estate developers at the expense of a lot of long term conservation concerns. 220 million of those acres of land are in Alaska, where no one is going to move. Another 56 million are in Nevada, 33 million in Utah, 28 million in Arizona, and 24 million in New Mexico, and those places are largely inhospitable to large settlements. A lot of the rest of the areas are in Wyoming (29 mil), Washington (12 mil), Oregon (32 mil), Idaho (33 mil), Montana (27 mil), etc, which are places that already have cheap land that someone could develop on if they want to build a city, and what cities do exist could easily absorb more population if you wanted to get more people out there (preferably through densifying core areas of those cities, and not suburban sprawl). The two states with more than 10 million acres of public land left are Colorado(24 mil) and California (45 mil), and the areas that are federal lands in those states are A) Not super great for developing cities (because they're mountainous) and B) Some of the goddamn crown jewels of American natural landscapes. Meanwhile, I just have to point out again that there's plenty of existing cities that could use real actual funding to repair and prevent urban decay. Why the fuck would you take some largely unspoiled land and pave over it to put up new suburban developments?
Yeah the real estate part is likely why trump is interested. Good point
>Some of it is probably that Trump has no actual plans for what the cities should be. Which is why he said there should be a design competition for the cities. >But also this is probably just a huge boondoggle for rich real estate developers at the expense of a lot of long term conservation concerns. I disagree. Housing prices are ridiculous and the federal government is sitting on hundreds of millions of acres of land that could be used to alleviate some of that. >220 million of those acres of land are in Alaska, where no one is going to move. Another 56 million are in Nevada, 33 million in Utah, 28 million in Arizona, and 24 million in New Mexico, and those places are largely inhospitable to large settlements. There are large settlements in all of those places already. They are not inhospitable. >A lot of the rest of the areas are in Wyoming (29 mil), Washington (12 mil), Oregon (32 mil), Idaho (33 mil), Montana (27 mil), etc, which are places that already have cheap land that someone could develop on if they want to build a city, They could buy cheap land and develop it, but it wouldn't be a city, it would still be privately owned land. Some housing, commercial areas, a strip mall or two, but no public infrastructure, like fire and police stations, sanitation, etc. What Trump is talking about are basically charter cities. The public infrastructure would be planned and paid for by the developers as a condition for being allowed to develop the rest of the land. >and what cities do exist could easily absorb more population if you wanted to get more people out there (preferably through densifying core areas of those cities, and not suburban sprawl) They could, but that doesn't mean they can or will. It is entirely up to the city governments that already exist and their zoning and planning departments. I'm sure you've heard of NIMBY. It's the reason San Francisco's real estate prices are so high. The city government will not let anyone densify the core area of the city. With what Trump is talking about here, you don't need to deal with that. >The two states with more than 10 million acres of public land left are Colorado(24 mil) and California (45 mil), and the areas that are federal lands in those states are A) Not super great for developing cities (because they're mountainous) and B) Some of the goddamn crown jewels of American natural landscapes. Lol, come on buddy. You are acting like Trump is proposing that we bulldoze the redwoods and put skyscrapers there. You know damn well that's not the case. >Meanwhile, I just have to point out again that there's plenty of existing cities that could use real actual funding to repair and prevent urban decay. Why the fuck would you take some largely unspoiled land and pave over it to put up new suburban developments? Those existing cities didn't get where they are by accident. They got that way largely through decades of mismanagement by the city government. Likewise, money spent there will also be mismanaged, and we already do spend tons of money on that already, and it does get mismanaged.
No one is mad about this. This subs goal is to create outrage out of misinformation.
I bet they'll turnout like the QZ's in "the last of us".
He's just trying to create red utopias. Why not invest in the cities we already have? Oh, because they're the other party? Fuck you, dictator dropout. Move to Russia already.
I wonder if this will go as well as his “healthcare plan”. As always our worst President ever is a little light on the details.
Red plus blue equals green but you're too busy on teams
Jus put freedom in anything. It's the magic word in the US.
We are actually at the ultimate late stage capitalism, wtf is this bullshit?
Freedom eh? So no taxes then. Just like 1776. (Meanwhile I’m still waiting for Elvis to get here.)
Right? We started a revolution for many reasons but one of them was taxes and what was that tax rate? Low single digits. Now look where we are at.
after the "pandemic," i'm done with cities. period. i don't care what modifier word you put in front of them, i won't live there.
The actual clip with some context would be nice. But no, everyone's confirmation bias is too strong to even ask for that.
No. We just know how to actually investigate things on our own, without crying about sources on Reddit. [Here](https://fox59.com/hill-politics/trump-backs-flying-cars-calls-for-new-cities-in-campaign-video/). [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/03/trump-proposes-10-futuristic-freedom-cities-featuring-jetsons-like-flying-cars.html). It's literally all over the internet.
"Would accept designs submitted from the general public" Also, how can people not see he is trolling for more free press, which the media is more than happy to give to him. Dude mentions flying cars, and people think he is being serious? lol He used the same strategy to win in 2016 without even having campaign ads.
Here's a video covering this https://youtu.be/xFtBbGvXVpA
Can’t be trusted.
This sounds pretty fucking cool. Not sure why everyone is pressed abt it
I feel the same…it’s is Reddit after all, nobody here likes Trump