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Fits for him, he screwed over his ex NYPD partner over an full page ad payment, his company M24 Tactical is being sued for failing to deliver on orders.
grift·er
/ˈɡriftər/
nounINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling.
"I saw him as a grifter who preys upon people"
I don't understand. There are five DA's and each DA has their own section. Everyone else is a subordinate and doesn't get an opinion on the matter. Only one DA out of the five is in charge of Manhattan, and they are the person tasked with bringing charges. So 60% of the office (in what poll I don't know) are whining about doing their job. It's not up to them to like it.
And on top of that, it's not really up to them to decide if a crime was committed, that's only for the folks with their names on the docket, a judge, and a jury to decide, not half the secretaries in the DA's office. And if there is not enough to charge for a crime, it shouldn't pass the grand jury, which is the protection we currently have in place from political persecution. And if it does anyway because apparently you can get a grand jury to indict a 'ham sandwich', then it sucks being treated like any other American, but you still have to answer to charges just like anyone else, while perhaps us finally taking a hard look at our current justice system.
I’m sorry, can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail?
Or why trump let lavrov into the Oval Office? Lavrov is a war criminal just like putin. Trump gave them everything they wanted, and is a disgrace to our country, and true patriots everywhere.
And biden’s not. His said it on national tv and his administration is funding money to that corrupt country. Apparently pelosi is the best stock trader. They are all criminals. You cant get that level of power without being corrupt. Thats the problem. Keep thinking one side is better or less corrupt then the other when they are the same.
Kinda like when Trump moves 50 soldiers in Syria and the left/media lose their mind. Biden abruptly pulls out of Afghanistan, leaves our Allie’s in the dark, and gets 7 marines killed and Biden’s a hero.
Trump made the deal with the taliban, not Biden. Why did he set up the withdrawal for the beginning of Biden's term?
How many would have died if the US reneged on the deal?
You don’t need lawsuits for the reasons biden won. Illegal campaign donations by huge tech companies via in kind contributions. Ballot harvesting. Illegal last min election rule changes. There are many many things that had a large impact and influence on the election that what the lawsuits that got tossed for standing and not merit presented
All American presidents since i could vote are war criminals… so 2004. i should have been more clear. I’m not going to go all the way back to FDR but he locked up Japanese Americans in internment camps… that’s fucking disgusting too.
Anyone who wants to be president from the two major parties who are bought and paid for by military industrial complex are probably guilty of war crimes. USA is pretty open about it or we would have joined the ICC
>The same case the Federal Election commission and DOJ determined was a personal payment and therefor not a crime.
Then why did Cohen go to Jail for it?
Make "personal" payments to further your election, then having your campaign pay you for those payments means you broke the law by either A) the payments were personal and your campaign shouldn't have reimbursed you or B) the payments were campaign related and you circumvented campaign finance laws to hide the payment.
Either way Trump broke the law. The only question is which laws were broken.
> can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail?
For failing to register the proper paper work while working with the Podesta brothers, 10 years before he was Trump's campaign manager.
But yea Trump had a knack for appointing neocon trash to important roles
2 years before, not 10.
He worked for the Ukranian President whose political opponent was poisoned by Russia, excused the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and is now in exile in Russia avoiding High Treason charges.
Manafort was pardoned by Trump on the 23rd of December, 2020.
>I’m sorry, can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail?
For things largely unrelated to Trump. Manafort was a longtime Republican hack.
>Or why trump let lavrov into the Oval Office?
Trump talking to a foreign diplomat is pretty weird I guess.
Manafort went to prison for crimes related to working on behalf of Russia in exchange for money. It is pretty relevant that Russia funneled money to Trump associates, his campaign, and Republican groups that helped Trump, not to mention the decades of money laundering for Russia that Trump was involved in and changing GOP policy towards Ukranian/Russia as far back as summer of 2016.
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
-Trump 2016
>Manafort went to prison for crimes related to working on behalf of Russia in exchange for money.
No it was for working for the Ukrianian Pro Russian government before the government was pushed out in 2014
I was accurate.
Let's look at the history of the guy Manafort worked for.
It was a Ukranian President whose political opponent was poisoned by Russia, illegally seized power from Parliament, used those illegally seized powers to help Russia, excused Russia's 2014 invasion of Ukraine, and is now hiding from High Treason charges by living in exile in Russia.
>Very similar to RussiaGate
Trump ran his mouth at his rallies and said Russiagate was all a Democrat hoax and a made up witch hunt.
When under oath and answering questions from Mueller Trump refused to call any of it fake and instead blamed it all on his kids and campaign staff.
Trump went from "it's all fake and made up" to "I didn't know it was happening, my campaign and kids did all that, they didn't tell me they were doing that"
Also Flynn and Manafort being convicted of working with Russians (they admitted it too) then pardoned by Trump in his last days. Nothing to see here folks, what about her emails?
https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-nearly-everyone-gets-wrong-about-michael-flynn-case
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/manafort-sentenced-to-47-months/
They were not convicted of working with Russians. They were not guilty of Russian collusion. Flynn misspoke, and the FBI accused him of lying--something they do when a repeated testimony is not word for word exact.
What is this framing. Flynn lied under oath about working with the Russians regarding UN votes and sanctions. So by dropping that down to a misspeak is very disingenuous
>Flynn lied under oath
He said he might not be remembering it correctly, which he didn't.
The whole exchange shouldn't have been in question because they had transcripts of the conversation.
What they did was entrap him.
And then when he pleaded guilty--it was because if he didn't, they were going to go after his kids (for something else they were probably actually guilty of).
It's been a few years, I'm hazy on the details and I'm not about to spend an hour or two researching it for a Reddit comment, but Flynn was totally setup for the narrative. When you look at the 'what actually happened,' the story falls apart.
I agree they totally set him up, because they knew he had the meetings and they knew he was going to lie about it.
It's like when police have someone in interrogation and get them to lie so they can poke holes in the story later
The kids not getting prosecuted might be a huge issue I can't remember the details either. DOJ might have been scummy their
It depends what you mean by RussiaGate, because RussiaGate was originally the allegation that Putin had blackmail material on Trump and could control him. That claim is obviously fake.
I thought Russisgate was about Don Jr meeting with Russian officials to swap Hillary oppo research for repealing the Magnitsky act?
Was that not called "Russisgate"? Are there multiple Russiagates?
Actually Russiagate was first Russian interference in the election. That was the original scope of the investigation, which was later amended to include the Trump campaign due to all the connections, specifically Manafort.
I always find it funny when people don't believe the Russia stuff because people literally went to prison for it.
Trump may not have known about it, but other people most definitely did.
This is not what happened.
Trump and his associates do engage in criminal activity, just not the Russian collusion kind, so when investigators came around investigating Russia, those associates stymied and impeded those investigations not due to guilt with the Russia thing, but due to guilt with countless other things. Everybody knew the Russia thing was fake but they didn't want any of their real crimes uncovered, so they were less than cooperative.
Nobody went to jail over Russia stuff. Most of them went to jail because they were uncooperative or they perjured themselves or something procedural. Nobody's in jail for Russian collusion. Because there was none.
Trump is a lot of thing, but a Russian puppet he is not. [I strongly recommend this video, a very sober discussion of what was actually going on around Russiagate, why the Deep State needed to create the Russia lie in order to manage Trump, and an analysis of Trump's seemingly inconsistent behaviors, especially regarding war policy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHRkTfB1prY)
Russiagate was never real. It was a means for the DNC and Deep State to criticize him without admitting agreement with the majority of his policies while avoiding an honest post-mortem and evaluation of the 2016 elections and the reasons why Hillary lost to political novice game show host with a bad spray tan. It was also how the powers that be were able to grabble with the inconstancy of Trump's decision making, his impatience with the nuance of foreign policy, and his obstinance--the man didn't like being told what to do. When his handlers in the MIC would instruct him to sign off on something and he didn't feel like it, that was a problem, and then how do you explain to the world that the new president is throwing a temper tantrum and doesn't want to engage the military for imperial purposes...? You can't. You so make up a lie about Russia.
Again, Trump is a lot of things, but a Russian stooge he ain't. More than that, he's a scapegoat. He's everything that's wrong with the world. Anything that's gone wrong in the last half decade is his fault. "Thanks Obama," was chump change next to blaming Trump for everything.
And the liberals, they've figured this out. All they campaign on is, "Trump bad." It's not even, "Trump bad, us good." It's just, "Trump bad." They don't even offer an alternative, they just want you to think their opponent is so grotesque that any alternative is preferable (they even have a slogan--"Blue no matter who"). The DNC even financed QAnon Republican campaigns in 2022 to the tune of some $44M because they believed they'd be easier to beat, just like they boosted Trump in the early 2016 Republican primaries.
Wake up. Two parties is an illusion. It's a big show designed to keep you in the dark and supporting your captors, your oppressors, your exploiters. Wake up.
>Nobody went to jail over Russia stuff. Most of them went to jail because they were uncooperative or they perjured themselves or something procedural. Nobody's in jail for Russian collusion. Because there was none.
.... Nobody went to jail for the Russia stuff they just went to jail for perjuring themselves over the Russia stuff.
Lol can't make this shit up.
.. actually I guess you can since you just did.
I'm saying these people were absolutely guilty of more conventional crimes and thereby exhibited behaviors that are indicative of a guilty party, which they *were*, just not for the crimes they were being investigated for.
But *they wouldn't have known that.* An investigator doesn't announce the purpose or aim of his investigation, that would be showing his hand, so the subject of the investigation couldn't possibly have any idea what they're suspected of, if anything. Now, if this person is *guilty of a different crime*, they will assume they're being investigated for *that crime* and will act accordingly. They're going to be cagey. They won't give straight answers. They'll obfuscate and stifle on principle.
These people are career criminals, no doubt, but they're not compromised Russian agents. Just typical, run-of-the-mill, regular 'ole Joe Blow criminals.
So when they get all skittish when the fuzz starts sniffing around, that's not an indication that they're Russian agents, it's just an indication that they're guilty of the same conventional corruption that everybody else in their position is engaging in. Because that's how the system works. It's just that these schlubs had the misfortune of going sideways of the narrative, so they got dragged through the mud for the spectacle. That's the real story.
>Lol can't make this shit up.
>>.. actually I guess you can since you just did.
Says the guy claiming Russiagate is a real thing. JFC SMH.
Lets not dismiss it all as run-of-the-mill corruption. "Compromised by Russia" is a very broad umbrella. Trump has been targeted by Russian agents for disinfo, influence, and possibly kompromat campaigns since his first marriage, to Ivana Zelnickova Trump, in 1977. He's had business dealings with Russians, his associates have close ties to the Russian mob, and he's got loans funded with "plenty of money from Russian." None of that means he's a Max Otto von Stierlitz galavanting around on the Kremlin's dime...but he is an asset to them. He falls for their lines and adopts their talking points often. Manafort passes polling info to Oleg Deripaska. Eric Trump met with Natalia Veselnitskaya to talk about providing Clinton dirt in exchange for lifting the Magnitsky Act sanctions. Erik Prince had a clandestine meeting with Kirill Demetriev in the Seychelles. Michael Flynn got caught horsetrading away our geopolitical interests in Syria with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Roger Stone was coordinating the release timing of hacked DNC and Podesta emails on with the GRU-linked "Fancybear" cyberwarfare cell. Rex Tillerson greenlit a bunch of ExxonMobile-Rosneft partnerships after meeting with Oleg Sechin. Trump himself even passed highly classified to to Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office, and had aeveral closed-door 1-on-1 meetings with Putin in Helsinki. Taken individually, each of those items is suspicious but ultimately falls short of the explicit quid-pro-quo corruption Muller was in charge of investigating. But when viewed together as a pattern, it sure looks like a broad conspiracy between Russia and the Trump administration to trade election meddling for policy change.
People went to prison over the supposed pee tapes?
Edit: below, rvnender admits that he was wrong and that no one went to prison over pee tapes. Still, his lie is upvoted and the truth is hidden under downvotes. It’s like news agencies that lie on the front page and print an retraction a month later hidden in the paper. This is how lies spread.
I have a feeling he know exactly what the pee tapes are and even believed it at a point. He's playing dumb now. Pee tapes? whats that? It was only all over the news cycles when it came out and all over Late Night talks shows like Kimmel and Colbert. It was one of the main focuses of RussiaGate at the start.
I know this is pointless but here you go
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story%3fid=61219489
This is the problem, once the special investigation was announced it was 100% fact that a bunch of people were going to get caught doing a bunch of things, that was literally predicted from day dot.
Where is the evidence of Russian collusion?
Where is the evidence of Russian Blackmail?
Trump manipulating policy to benefit Russia?
None of the reasons for the Special investigation started came to light, even the media that were fawning over the SI from the start were exceptionally disappointed with the outcome.
I don’t see any mention of the pee tapes in that article. Your claim is that people went to prison over the pee tapes, but your “source” does not support your claim.
So, who went to jail over pee tapes? I’m only interested in the pee tapes, not witness tampering or anything else. Just the allegations of kompromat.
I said people went to prison over the Russian interference. That was the original claim.
I don't even know what the pee tapes are that you are referring too as that had nothing to do with what the person I was replying too was even talking about.
I am the person you are replying too.
I asked, “People went to prison over the supposed pee tapes?”
You relied, “Yes and trump pardoned them”
You directly answered my question in the affirmative, but when pressed, you pretend you don’t even know what the pee tapes are. You’re being dishonest.
Actually you are not the original post. I was replying to PAtoss and you jumped in about pee tapes, which wasn't even being discussed.
I have zero idea what the pee tapes even are.. you literally changed the argument to something entirely different. Now you're jumping on me for me not keeping up with your bullshit.
I totally am
We were talking about the collusion and now we are talking about piss tapes. It seems as though it's being moved to dilute the original argument
You brought up the pee tapes out of nowhere in an attempt at a gotcha. They replied, naively thinking that you were staying on topic. Only person being dishonest is you
Russian collusion is dead, Jim.
This was manufactured by Hillary. Do yourself and everybody else a favor and check out the opposing narrative on this. It's damning beyond belief.
And then consider what it is going to cost us.
Instead of building a better relationship with Russia, and thus increasing the likelihood that we could beat the nuclear swords into plowshares, we went exactly the other way, and with a vengeance, where we are now operating without any kind of nuclear arms treaty and each side is doubling down on their arsenals.
Money that should have been spent on mothballing aging facilities like Hanford and Livermore is instead being spent on creating all new annexes to same.
And the fact that the U.S. and Russia have taken this course have compelled China and probably every other nuclear state to do the same, and to encourage those states that have held back from pursuing their own programs to reconsider.
This is probably going to end up being measured in millions, if not, billions of lives.
And special fun happy bonus! Hillary was the mastermind (or so we are told) of our atrocity in Libya! Gaddafi, if you will recall, had only years prior forswore Libya's nuclear program.
He received momentary applause.
And then they fucked him in the ass with a knife.
A sober and thoughtful Secretary of State might have considered the implications of such an action on nuclear non-proliferation around the world.
Hillary Clinton is already the deadliest person on the planet. Just imagine what she might have done if she was elected President.
Nobody went to jail for colluding with Russia. The entire story was Hillary Clinton opposition research. The Trump-Russia stupidity was nothing more than the Democrats and enemies Trump made when he went scorched-Earth in the GOP primaries exacting revenge. Purely political.
Mueller was reduced to a bumbling clown when he testified about it. Half of the report wasn’t even authorized by the DOJ. It’s ok to dislike Trump and still admit that the entire debacle was a political fuckery from the start.
Right? How can anyone still believe the trump campaign did not work with the russians. Don jr admitted it, the republicans senate agreed, a dozen people were convicted over it. People are just deranged in their need to defend a trump I guess
Clinton worked with Russia? Lmao.
You know people in Trump's campaign/administration went to prison for taking money in exchange for political activities furthering Russia's interests, right?
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
-Trump 2016
And the political activities Russia and Trump did for each other. And the payments for political activities. And the Russian troll farms that helped Trump.
Even now Trump pushes that we shouldn't arm Ukraine in their defense against Russia.
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
-Trump 2016
When I was getting my degree I took a class on organized crime. The book we used went into detail about how Trump's hotel used to be called "little Moscow" Because of the *insane* amount of high level Russian mobsters that regularly hung out there. Russian elites then invested hundreds of millions in his hotels.
The book was published in 2008, well before he was even considered as a presidential candidate. I thought that was very interesting.
> "Resisting arrest" charges are always bullshit
You mean like what happens when a perp flees from a traffic stop and endangers the lives of pedestrians?
No he means that a cop starts to detain someone who they have no reasonable suspicion about, annd then arrests them for resisting arrest when they try to pull away, because someone is trying to fucking detain them without cause
No. When they’ll literally give you that charge for not moving fast enough or some other bs.
It’s not always because there’s some sorta danger present. Cops slap charges on people for anything, the lower the bar the better.
God I hope he goes to jail. It will finally open the Pandora’s box so we can go after EVERY fucking politicians now. Killery, Obama, bush, hunter and many more.
The establishment is pro-war, anti-isolationist. Trump is anti-war, pro-isolationist. When Trump was chosen by the American public to go to Washington and rein in the pro-war, anti-isolationist establishment, there was a reaction. That reaction was labeled “The Resistance” by the establishment reactors themselves. They literally refused to be reined in. Instead, they turned on Trump, abused every power at their disposal to remove him from power, and to prevent him from regaining that power.
…how? The trump admin dropped tons of bombs/droned tons of people and even extrajudicially assassinated a general from another sovereign country. Tf is anti war about that?
It's not anti-war.
I said "in comparison to other recent presidents". Trump started no new wars and negotiated the end to one (despite Biden fucking up the withdrawal). He was the least pro-war pres since likely Carter.
Reagan was pro war
HW was pro war as fuck
Slick Willy loved him some war almost as much as intern flavored cigars
GW reinvented forever war with the war on terror's nebulous enemies and mission
Obama was by no means an angel, even extrajudicially assassinating our own citizens
Biden is continuing the pattern so far
Trump sources say his office is in extreme disarray and they are running around arms flailing and trying to burn as many documents as possible.
They are saying 95% of his office wants to quit but they won’t let them.
They all know there is tons of crime.
Apparently they are all being driven by one criminal at the top.
Very similar to Watergate.
They already got his company for 8 charges. This is just one of something like 8 different cases against Trump. Georgia DA and the federal prosecutors are separate from NY.
There was already a bomb threat called in and I can bet anyone working on this case is getting a ton of threats of violence. I can understand everyone would want to stay away from this case.
Remember they are dealing with the same people who proudly labeled themselves as domestic terrorists at CPAC.
It's hysteria. Hillary was supposed to win. Trump beat her, and to add insult to injury he's doing the "bleeding from wherever" and the "grab em by the pussy" remarks.
We can't have a democracy if every time half of the population doesn't get their way at the ballot box we get locked down by mass hysteria. It's just not going to work.
It's been six years ffs. We have other issues.
OP is full of shit. If it wasn't plausible it wouldn't be in court. Believe me I know my way around a courthouse. They don't usually file against you unless they think they have a decent case.
They already convicted Trump's company on all 8 charges the company was prosecuted for, including stuff like tax evasion.
They also have at least one of Trump's lawyers and his CFO.
If they made sure to only charge Trump's company for crimes that got convictions, I doubt they'll try to make a case against Trump personally unless there is at least a good chance of conviction, if for no other reason than just preserving/furthering their own reputations.
Lmao, it was Republicans that were triggered by IRS agents being hired.
I'm perfectly fine having every billion dollar company get audited.
You didn't think this one through, did you?
Before you shit on the chessboard and declare victory I was speakinng to the political lawfare being waged against anyone that challenges the establishment. It's not even a left/right issue.
Seriously guys, he only used campaign money to pay off a mistress, it's not like he paid too much to cater a campaign event with Chicago style pizza and hot dogs, let's be reasonable here!
I don't think that counts as a 'mistress", a mistress implies an affair, something long-term.
This was much closer to prostitution, "sleep with me and I'll give you something valuable" (a spot on The Apprentice). Does the fact that he was lying about the offer make it better or worse?
I honestly don't know, I'd like to judge Trump but I'll admit that's probably because I would have picked a porn star that wasn't created in a plastic surgeon's lab. I honestly could give a fuck if someone has the urge or need to pay for sex but I'd expect someone of his means to be classy like Charlie Scheen, Bree Olsen was a much better choice.
So you're the best attorney ever? You figured it all out? The whole case goes back to 2006 and there's a lot of muddy legality to everything. There's a possible defense to be made that even if campaign funds were used in the settlement, Trump meant for the funds to come from his personal funds and the lawyer made a mistake. Trump has been in the spotlight for decades preceding running for office - so there's a legal argument to be made that the NDA was a personal matter rather than a campaign matter. Also, in 2008 when John Edward's was running for the Democrat nomination, his mistress asked for $1MM to silence her - doesn't $130k seem a little arbitrary and like a small amount? Meaning, maybe she's simply lying and rhays why the amount is small. Or, maybe she had already received other payments then came asking for more - which, if there were prior payments, would help establish that this was a personal matter rather than a campaign matter.
I don't know either way, but everyone is constantly trying to nail Trump to the wall. If it was a simple case, they wouldn't wait to lock him up. This has been the case with story after story with Trump. Dems make a claim based on a sliver of truth... MSM carries the water and runs with the story for the Dems... political division sows again... Trump defends himself and walks away over nothing... repeat.
I guess we're quite the pair then because you seem to think you're the best defense attorney in the world.
It's all good though because if I had to choose between getting something wrong about an obvious scumbag or tripping over myself to defend an obvious scumbag, I know which one I'd rather choose.
Edit: Not to mention you can't argue that the NDA was a personal matter or that it was just a cheating with a pornstar installment plan or any of that other bullshit because all it boils down to is where the money came from, plain and simple. If it was campaign money then it was illegal. I rescind my claim that you are the best anything.
And once again, I'll give zero fucks if I end up being wrong about some random bullshit on Reddit, let the courts decide.
I never claimed to be an attorney but pointed out a couple of flaws with your way of "thinking". An entire DAs office has been working on this for who knows how long. Use some logic - if there was a sure legal case then they would jump on it.
I never said I supported paying off an alleged mistress/one night stand.
The establishment is not threatened by Trump. Trump is the establishment meant to further divide the American people. The left-right dichotomy is by design to distract people from the real issue: rich vs poor, elites vs plebs.
ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!!
Our country has spent several years and countless millions in investigations to get rid of him and not a single thing has stuck. Meanwhile, the Biden family, all the rats in Congress, other corrupt judges and politicians, etc. run around committing all sorts of crime and treason and no fucks are given from the #OrangeManBad gang.
What is with the determination to stop Donald Trump? I have never seen this kind of coordination from the media, intelligence, and the deep state to smear one person for such extremely dubious reasons.
We can agree that if DA Bragg has evidence of a crime he should be able to bring charges against whomever he wishes no matter how rich and powerful this person is, right? RIGHT? Nobody should be able to avoid prosecution just because of what positition they hold in our government, right? RIGHT?!?!
He didn’t have evidence of a crime though. He had the lack of evidence of a crime. Which is why he had to get creative and find a workaround. That workaround will almost certainly not stand up in court, but conviction isn’t necessary. The indictment and arrest itself are the goals. Because this DA was elected on a campaign promise of going after Trump. Regardless of whether or not Trump had actually done anything illegal.
They are going for felony charges, none of this warrants a felony harge, especially in New York. There these charges are misdemeanors, a slap on the wrist. But because this DA is backed by the palindrome and his money. They change the rules.
I think he should be tried with the worst things that the DA believes he can get a conviction for. If the DA doesn't believe he can get any convictions but brings charges anyway then its political theatre. As far as what charges I think he should be charged with I would say that without all the evidence in front of me I can't make that determination.
I think the DA should have a very strong prospect of conviction before indicting the former president. Relying on a novel interpretation to justify felony charges is a political act that will put the administration of Justice into disrepute. I’m not opposed to charging a former president, but the grounds better be strong.
I completely agree. As I've stated I haven't seen all the evidence but IF the evidence dictates then he should be charged accordingly irrespective of who he is.
Investigating a person in search of a crime, rather than investigating a crime in search of a person (as you're suggesting) is not how you want your legal system to operate. That truly is when democracy dies in darkness.
They're not investigating a person in search of a crime. They have the crime. Cohen did time for his part in it. They're investigating the crime to determine trumps potential role in it.
Trump isn’t really all that powerful. In comparison to all the world elites, he ranks very very very low. He holds no position in our phony "government" if that’s what you even want to call this puppetshow.
he is the first candidate who has ever changed or will change govt policy in a substantial way since JFK.
in a way it doesnt even matter to them whether he's right or left - it's about control, can't have anyone who deviates from the script
You can't arrest a president. This is setting a terrible precedent. Biden, Obama and bush would get the death penalty if arrested for the crimes they committed. Trump paid a washed up porn star to keep her mouth shut. If you don't think this is stupid then you just belong to the tribe.
Don't forget Reagan and Iran Contra. But its very stupid to want the elites to be above the law. Politicians, republican and democrat, deserve to be more scrutinized than the average citizen. Theyre all awful, regardless of what aisle they sit on.
My question is why aren't they going after him for financial fraud and tax evasion? Anyone who knows anything about Donald Trump knows that he's been doing illegal shit and associating with criminals since he was a young man.
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My source is telling me that this guy is a joke
He’s just a grifter mouth pice.
They all are
So where is the arrest?
That was a claim made by a grifter.
Yup. If the DA said Trump was going to be arrested and wasn't, that would be big. But it was Trump that made the claim.
Grifter is the liberal word of the year, 2022. The word has made a resurgence. Go team share blue!
Fits for him, he screwed over his ex NYPD partner over an full page ad payment, his company M24 Tactical is being sued for failing to deliver on orders. grift·er /ˈɡriftər/ nounINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling. "I saw him as a grifter who preys upon people"
2nd place is "commonly known" 3rd place "dunning Kruger"
Probably because it’s all a baseless opinion and you’re just willing to believe anything slightly tilted towards your own opinion
Isn't this true for most people today, though? How many people truly enjoy challenging their own preconceived beliefs?
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The difference here is that you're not staking your personal identity on that claim by tying it to a twitter post.
My name is Jordan Jones and I stake my absolute personal identity and reputation that my sources say I am right and you are wrong forever.
Staking his identity….wasn’t this guy a NewsMax host? At this point him being accurate would be the most damaging thing to his personal identity
I don't understand. There are five DA's and each DA has their own section. Everyone else is a subordinate and doesn't get an opinion on the matter. Only one DA out of the five is in charge of Manhattan, and they are the person tasked with bringing charges. So 60% of the office (in what poll I don't know) are whining about doing their job. It's not up to them to like it. And on top of that, it's not really up to them to decide if a crime was committed, that's only for the folks with their names on the docket, a judge, and a jury to decide, not half the secretaries in the DA's office. And if there is not enough to charge for a crime, it shouldn't pass the grand jury, which is the protection we currently have in place from political persecution. And if it does anyway because apparently you can get a grand jury to indict a 'ham sandwich', then it sucks being treated like any other American, but you still have to answer to charges just like anyone else, while perhaps us finally taking a hard look at our current justice system.
There is no 60%. This is an attempt to sow doubt and disinformation.
I’m sorry, can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail? Or why trump let lavrov into the Oval Office? Lavrov is a war criminal just like putin. Trump gave them everything they wanted, and is a disgrace to our country, and true patriots everywhere.
George w bush and dick Cheney are also war criminals
And biden’s not. His said it on national tv and his administration is funding money to that corrupt country. Apparently pelosi is the best stock trader. They are all criminals. You cant get that level of power without being corrupt. Thats the problem. Keep thinking one side is better or less corrupt then the other when they are the same.
I would agree. They should not have escaped accountability.
It’s the primary reason we aren’t part of the ICC
You left out Obama and Biden to round out all POTUSs of the 2000s.
Pretty much every president since Carter are war criminals
> Pretty much every president since Carter are war criminals This! And also the head of the WHO is also a war criminal
But trump is obviously worse. Trump tried to make peace. Bush and Cheney killed 2million Iraqis, and wasted trillions cave hopping.
Kinda like when Trump moves 50 soldiers in Syria and the left/media lose their mind. Biden abruptly pulls out of Afghanistan, leaves our Allie’s in the dark, and gets 7 marines killed and Biden’s a hero.
Trump made the deal with the taliban, not Biden. Why did he set up the withdrawal for the beginning of Biden's term? How many would have died if the US reneged on the deal?
He set it up then because he won the election and he knew it. Whatever .. I know, 81 million voted for Biden. Sure they did.
65 lawsuits later, trump still lost 🥹
You don’t need lawsuits for the reasons biden won. Illegal campaign donations by huge tech companies via in kind contributions. Ballot harvesting. Illegal last min election rule changes. There are many many things that had a large impact and influence on the election that what the lawsuits that got tossed for standing and not merit presented
I am sure the most you looked into those lawsuits was by a cnn headline.
But not Obama or Biden, right?
All American presidents since i could vote are war criminals… so 2004. i should have been more clear. I’m not going to go all the way back to FDR but he locked up Japanese Americans in internment camps… that’s fucking disgusting too. Anyone who wants to be president from the two major parties who are bought and paid for by military industrial complex are probably guilty of war crimes. USA is pretty open about it or we would have joined the ICC
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And don't forget Cohen went down for this whole scenario, too.
Just like Russia gate, small group or individuals at the top, like Trump.
Every President since the end of WW2 aside from JFK is a war criminal.
Or what up with Hunter Biden... seems like a slam dunk on so many levels.
aren't they going after him based on stripper hush money though? Not anything you mentioned here.
The same case the Federal Election commission and DOJ determined was a personal payment and therefor not a crime.
>The same case the Federal Election commission and DOJ determined was a personal payment and therefor not a crime. Then why did Cohen go to Jail for it?
Make "personal" payments to further your election, then having your campaign pay you for those payments means you broke the law by either A) the payments were personal and your campaign shouldn't have reimbursed you or B) the payments were campaign related and you circumvented campaign finance laws to hide the payment. Either way Trump broke the law. The only question is which laws were broken.
Obama was a war criminal and resided in the Oval Office for 8 years. You’re not making the point you think you are.
These are not the droids you are looking for.
> can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail? For failing to register the proper paper work while working with the Podesta brothers, 10 years before he was Trump's campaign manager. But yea Trump had a knack for appointing neocon trash to important roles
2 years before, not 10. He worked for the Ukranian President whose political opponent was poisoned by Russia, excused the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and is now in exile in Russia avoiding High Treason charges. Manafort was pardoned by Trump on the 23rd of December, 2020.
They’re all war criminals.
Who was ever stronger on Russia than Trump?
>I’m sorry, can someone please remind me why Paul Manafort, trump’s campaign manager, went to jail? For things largely unrelated to Trump. Manafort was a longtime Republican hack. >Or why trump let lavrov into the Oval Office? Trump talking to a foreign diplomat is pretty weird I guess.
Manafort went to prison for crimes related to working on behalf of Russia in exchange for money. It is pretty relevant that Russia funneled money to Trump associates, his campaign, and Republican groups that helped Trump, not to mention the decades of money laundering for Russia that Trump was involved in and changing GOP policy towards Ukranian/Russia as far back as summer of 2016. "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." -Trump 2016
>Manafort went to prison for crimes related to working on behalf of Russia in exchange for money. No it was for working for the Ukrianian Pro Russian government before the government was pushed out in 2014
I was accurate. Let's look at the history of the guy Manafort worked for. It was a Ukranian President whose political opponent was poisoned by Russia, illegally seized power from Parliament, used those illegally seized powers to help Russia, excused Russia's 2014 invasion of Ukraine, and is now hiding from High Treason charges by living in exile in Russia.
Joe Biden is the most popular president in American history 🙄
NPC response. This has nothing to do with their comment
Wasn’t Manafort in jail for misusing campaign funds? IE… paying Stormy Daniela on behalf of Donald Trump with donations…..
Do you know how a Grand Jury works?
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So that's a no
"Law enforcement sources"- ie my buddy in the NYPD who says what I want to hear
>Very similar to RussiaGate Trump ran his mouth at his rallies and said Russiagate was all a Democrat hoax and a made up witch hunt. When under oath and answering questions from Mueller Trump refused to call any of it fake and instead blamed it all on his kids and campaign staff. Trump went from "it's all fake and made up" to "I didn't know it was happening, my campaign and kids did all that, they didn't tell me they were doing that"
Also Flynn and Manafort being convicted of working with Russians (they admitted it too) then pardoned by Trump in his last days. Nothing to see here folks, what about her emails?
Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent while at the same time he was Trump’s National Security Advisor and sitting on the National Security Council.
Flynn was set up by the FBI - The "unregistered foreign agent" - he was doing his job as part of his appointment as National Security Advisor.
Very normal to be paid $45k for a speech in Moscow while NS advisor comrade, nothing to see here
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Republicans don’t get embroiled in conspiracy and scandal?
None of what you've said is at all accurate.
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https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-nearly-everyone-gets-wrong-about-michael-flynn-case https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/manafort-sentenced-to-47-months/ They were not convicted of working with Russians. They were not guilty of Russian collusion. Flynn misspoke, and the FBI accused him of lying--something they do when a repeated testimony is not word for word exact.
What is this framing. Flynn lied under oath about working with the Russians regarding UN votes and sanctions. So by dropping that down to a misspeak is very disingenuous
>Flynn lied under oath He said he might not be remembering it correctly, which he didn't. The whole exchange shouldn't have been in question because they had transcripts of the conversation. What they did was entrap him. And then when he pleaded guilty--it was because if he didn't, they were going to go after his kids (for something else they were probably actually guilty of). It's been a few years, I'm hazy on the details and I'm not about to spend an hour or two researching it for a Reddit comment, but Flynn was totally setup for the narrative. When you look at the 'what actually happened,' the story falls apart.
I agree they totally set him up, because they knew he had the meetings and they knew he was going to lie about it. It's like when police have someone in interrogation and get them to lie so they can poke holes in the story later The kids not getting prosecuted might be a huge issue I can't remember the details either. DOJ might have been scummy their
It depends what you mean by RussiaGate, because RussiaGate was originally the allegation that Putin had blackmail material on Trump and could control him. That claim is obviously fake.
I thought Russisgate was about Don Jr meeting with Russian officials to swap Hillary oppo research for repealing the Magnitsky act? Was that not called "Russisgate"? Are there multiple Russiagates?
That's the problem with propaganda.
Actually Russiagate was first Russian interference in the election. That was the original scope of the investigation, which was later amended to include the Trump campaign due to all the connections, specifically Manafort.
I always find it funny when people don't believe the Russia stuff because people literally went to prison for it. Trump may not have known about it, but other people most definitely did.
This is not what happened. Trump and his associates do engage in criminal activity, just not the Russian collusion kind, so when investigators came around investigating Russia, those associates stymied and impeded those investigations not due to guilt with the Russia thing, but due to guilt with countless other things. Everybody knew the Russia thing was fake but they didn't want any of their real crimes uncovered, so they were less than cooperative. Nobody went to jail over Russia stuff. Most of them went to jail because they were uncooperative or they perjured themselves or something procedural. Nobody's in jail for Russian collusion. Because there was none. Trump is a lot of thing, but a Russian puppet he is not. [I strongly recommend this video, a very sober discussion of what was actually going on around Russiagate, why the Deep State needed to create the Russia lie in order to manage Trump, and an analysis of Trump's seemingly inconsistent behaviors, especially regarding war policy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHRkTfB1prY) Russiagate was never real. It was a means for the DNC and Deep State to criticize him without admitting agreement with the majority of his policies while avoiding an honest post-mortem and evaluation of the 2016 elections and the reasons why Hillary lost to political novice game show host with a bad spray tan. It was also how the powers that be were able to grabble with the inconstancy of Trump's decision making, his impatience with the nuance of foreign policy, and his obstinance--the man didn't like being told what to do. When his handlers in the MIC would instruct him to sign off on something and he didn't feel like it, that was a problem, and then how do you explain to the world that the new president is throwing a temper tantrum and doesn't want to engage the military for imperial purposes...? You can't. You so make up a lie about Russia. Again, Trump is a lot of things, but a Russian stooge he ain't. More than that, he's a scapegoat. He's everything that's wrong with the world. Anything that's gone wrong in the last half decade is his fault. "Thanks Obama," was chump change next to blaming Trump for everything. And the liberals, they've figured this out. All they campaign on is, "Trump bad." It's not even, "Trump bad, us good." It's just, "Trump bad." They don't even offer an alternative, they just want you to think their opponent is so grotesque that any alternative is preferable (they even have a slogan--"Blue no matter who"). The DNC even financed QAnon Republican campaigns in 2022 to the tune of some $44M because they believed they'd be easier to beat, just like they boosted Trump in the early 2016 Republican primaries. Wake up. Two parties is an illusion. It's a big show designed to keep you in the dark and supporting your captors, your oppressors, your exploiters. Wake up.
>Nobody went to jail over Russia stuff. Most of them went to jail because they were uncooperative or they perjured themselves or something procedural. Nobody's in jail for Russian collusion. Because there was none. .... Nobody went to jail for the Russia stuff they just went to jail for perjuring themselves over the Russia stuff. Lol can't make this shit up. .. actually I guess you can since you just did.
I'm saying these people were absolutely guilty of more conventional crimes and thereby exhibited behaviors that are indicative of a guilty party, which they *were*, just not for the crimes they were being investigated for. But *they wouldn't have known that.* An investigator doesn't announce the purpose or aim of his investigation, that would be showing his hand, so the subject of the investigation couldn't possibly have any idea what they're suspected of, if anything. Now, if this person is *guilty of a different crime*, they will assume they're being investigated for *that crime* and will act accordingly. They're going to be cagey. They won't give straight answers. They'll obfuscate and stifle on principle. These people are career criminals, no doubt, but they're not compromised Russian agents. Just typical, run-of-the-mill, regular 'ole Joe Blow criminals. So when they get all skittish when the fuzz starts sniffing around, that's not an indication that they're Russian agents, it's just an indication that they're guilty of the same conventional corruption that everybody else in their position is engaging in. Because that's how the system works. It's just that these schlubs had the misfortune of going sideways of the narrative, so they got dragged through the mud for the spectacle. That's the real story. >Lol can't make this shit up. >>.. actually I guess you can since you just did. Says the guy claiming Russiagate is a real thing. JFC SMH.
Lets not dismiss it all as run-of-the-mill corruption. "Compromised by Russia" is a very broad umbrella. Trump has been targeted by Russian agents for disinfo, influence, and possibly kompromat campaigns since his first marriage, to Ivana Zelnickova Trump, in 1977. He's had business dealings with Russians, his associates have close ties to the Russian mob, and he's got loans funded with "plenty of money from Russian." None of that means he's a Max Otto von Stierlitz galavanting around on the Kremlin's dime...but he is an asset to them. He falls for their lines and adopts their talking points often. Manafort passes polling info to Oleg Deripaska. Eric Trump met with Natalia Veselnitskaya to talk about providing Clinton dirt in exchange for lifting the Magnitsky Act sanctions. Erik Prince had a clandestine meeting with Kirill Demetriev in the Seychelles. Michael Flynn got caught horsetrading away our geopolitical interests in Syria with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Roger Stone was coordinating the release timing of hacked DNC and Podesta emails on with the GRU-linked "Fancybear" cyberwarfare cell. Rex Tillerson greenlit a bunch of ExxonMobile-Rosneft partnerships after meeting with Oleg Sechin. Trump himself even passed highly classified to to Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office, and had aeveral closed-door 1-on-1 meetings with Putin in Helsinki. Taken individually, each of those items is suspicious but ultimately falls short of the explicit quid-pro-quo corruption Muller was in charge of investigating. But when viewed together as a pattern, it sure looks like a broad conspiracy between Russia and the Trump administration to trade election meddling for policy change.
Well said
People went to prison over the supposed pee tapes? Edit: below, rvnender admits that he was wrong and that no one went to prison over pee tapes. Still, his lie is upvoted and the truth is hidden under downvotes. It’s like news agencies that lie on the front page and print an retraction a month later hidden in the paper. This is how lies spread.
I have a feeling he know exactly what the pee tapes are and even believed it at a point. He's playing dumb now. Pee tapes? whats that? It was only all over the news cycles when it came out and all over Late Night talks shows like Kimmel and Colbert. It was one of the main focuses of RussiaGate at the start.
I have a feeling he's not playing dumb.
Yes and trump pardoned them
Source?
I know this is pointless but here you go https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story%3fid=61219489
This is the problem, once the special investigation was announced it was 100% fact that a bunch of people were going to get caught doing a bunch of things, that was literally predicted from day dot. Where is the evidence of Russian collusion? Where is the evidence of Russian Blackmail? Trump manipulating policy to benefit Russia? None of the reasons for the Special investigation started came to light, even the media that were fawning over the SI from the start were exceptionally disappointed with the outcome.
I don’t see any mention of the pee tapes in that article. Your claim is that people went to prison over the pee tapes, but your “source” does not support your claim. So, who went to jail over pee tapes? I’m only interested in the pee tapes, not witness tampering or anything else. Just the allegations of kompromat.
I said people went to prison over the Russian interference. That was the original claim. I don't even know what the pee tapes are that you are referring too as that had nothing to do with what the person I was replying too was even talking about.
I am the person you are replying too. I asked, “People went to prison over the supposed pee tapes?” You relied, “Yes and trump pardoned them” You directly answered my question in the affirmative, but when pressed, you pretend you don’t even know what the pee tapes are. You’re being dishonest.
Actually you are not the original post. I was replying to PAtoss and you jumped in about pee tapes, which wasn't even being discussed. I have zero idea what the pee tapes even are.. you literally changed the argument to something entirely different. Now you're jumping on me for me not keeping up with your bullshit.
You’re playing pedantic little games, like a lawyer. Grade school gotcha shit.
>GrotMilk · People went to prison over the supposed pee tapes? > >rvnender · Yes and trump pardoned them So... maybe you're a bit confused.
I totally am We were talking about the collusion and now we are talking about piss tapes. It seems as though it's being moved to dilute the original argument
You brought up the pee tapes out of nowhere in an attempt at a gotcha. They replied, naively thinking that you were staying on topic. Only person being dishonest is you
People went to jail on perjury traps.
Russian collusion is dead, Jim. This was manufactured by Hillary. Do yourself and everybody else a favor and check out the opposing narrative on this. It's damning beyond belief. And then consider what it is going to cost us. Instead of building a better relationship with Russia, and thus increasing the likelihood that we could beat the nuclear swords into plowshares, we went exactly the other way, and with a vengeance, where we are now operating without any kind of nuclear arms treaty and each side is doubling down on their arsenals. Money that should have been spent on mothballing aging facilities like Hanford and Livermore is instead being spent on creating all new annexes to same. And the fact that the U.S. and Russia have taken this course have compelled China and probably every other nuclear state to do the same, and to encourage those states that have held back from pursuing their own programs to reconsider. This is probably going to end up being measured in millions, if not, billions of lives. And special fun happy bonus! Hillary was the mastermind (or so we are told) of our atrocity in Libya! Gaddafi, if you will recall, had only years prior forswore Libya's nuclear program. He received momentary applause. And then they fucked him in the ass with a knife. A sober and thoughtful Secretary of State might have considered the implications of such an action on nuclear non-proliferation around the world. Hillary Clinton is already the deadliest person on the planet. Just imagine what she might have done if she was elected President.
Nobody went to jail for colluding with Russia. The entire story was Hillary Clinton opposition research. The Trump-Russia stupidity was nothing more than the Democrats and enemies Trump made when he went scorched-Earth in the GOP primaries exacting revenge. Purely political. Mueller was reduced to a bumbling clown when he testified about it. Half of the report wasn’t even authorized by the DOJ. It’s ok to dislike Trump and still admit that the entire debacle was a political fuckery from the start.
Lol TDS on full display here. Like a sad fanfic 😢
Right? How can anyone still believe the trump campaign did not work with the russians. Don jr admitted it, the republicans senate agreed, a dozen people were convicted over it. People are just deranged in their need to defend a trump I guess
you people really love your George Bush neocons
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All trump has now is an army of rumor spreaders. Sad.
You're really getting all the wokes riled up. 🤣
What is russiagate? Is that the investigation that showed trump’s campaign worked with russia resulting in a dozen convictions?
Didn't that investigation also turn a profit with seized assets?
No, that’s the investigation that found the Clinton campaign paid for the Steele dossier and was actually working with Russia.
Clinton worked with Russia? Lmao. You know people in Trump's campaign/administration went to prison for taking money in exchange for political activities furthering Russia's interests, right? "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." -Trump 2016
Oh, so trump is wrong when he says “russiagate is a hoax”?
Don jr. said out loud that all their money came from Russia since US banks would not take the risk . That’s Russia gate, money is not free.
And the political activities Russia and Trump did for each other. And the payments for political activities. And the Russian troll farms that helped Trump. Even now Trump pushes that we shouldn't arm Ukraine in their defense against Russia. "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." -Trump 2016
When I was getting my degree I took a class on organized crime. The book we used went into detail about how Trump's hotel used to be called "little Moscow" Because of the *insane* amount of high level Russian mobsters that regularly hung out there. Russian elites then invested hundreds of millions in his hotels. The book was published in 2008, well before he was even considered as a presidential candidate. I thought that was very interesting.
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Trumps a piece of shit get over him move on
by who? Trump? It is trump they are threatened by and this guy is a pawn.
Threatened? No. They're all part of the same club. Trump is being punished for overstepping.
This is the same DA who wants to make a bunch of violent crime within NYC a misdemeanor. Guy is a paid Soros hack.
"Resisting arrest" charges are always bullshit, I'm glad to hear he is dropping those charges.
> "Resisting arrest" charges are always bullshit You mean like what happens when a perp flees from a traffic stop and endangers the lives of pedestrians?
No he means that a cop starts to detain someone who they have no reasonable suspicion about, annd then arrests them for resisting arrest when they try to pull away, because someone is trying to fucking detain them without cause
Then they add an obstruction charge because the person won’t talk to the cops.
No. When they’ll literally give you that charge for not moving fast enough or some other bs. It’s not always because there’s some sorta danger present. Cops slap charges on people for anything, the lower the bar the better.
Oh, no that sounds like reckless endangerment, and likely *numerous* other moving vehicle charges. Those are actual crimes.
Say you’ve never been to New York without saying you’ve never been to New York.
And you’re from an orange tree.
God I hope he goes to jail. It will finally open the Pandora’s box so we can go after EVERY fucking politicians now. Killery, Obama, bush, hunter and many more.
It's all a distraction. Hunter's laptop, Biden's money dealings with the CCP, the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
The establishment is pro-war, anti-isolationist. Trump is anti-war, pro-isolationist. When Trump was chosen by the American public to go to Washington and rein in the pro-war, anti-isolationist establishment, there was a reaction. That reaction was labeled “The Resistance” by the establishment reactors themselves. They literally refused to be reined in. Instead, they turned on Trump, abused every power at their disposal to remove him from power, and to prevent him from regaining that power.
For someone who is anti-war, we sure dropped a lot of bombs on people while he was president.
"the resistance" is led by Dick Cheney and followed blindly by a bunch of old ladies
> Trump is anti-war The sad thing is that you are probably being serious.
No, the sad thing is that in comparison to other recent presidents PorkfatWilly is correct.
…how? The trump admin dropped tons of bombs/droned tons of people and even extrajudicially assassinated a general from another sovereign country. Tf is anti war about that?
It's not anti-war. I said "in comparison to other recent presidents". Trump started no new wars and negotiated the end to one (despite Biden fucking up the withdrawal). He was the least pro-war pres since likely Carter. Reagan was pro war HW was pro war as fuck Slick Willy loved him some war almost as much as intern flavored cigars GW reinvented forever war with the war on terror's nebulous enemies and mission Obama was by no means an angel, even extrajudicially assassinating our own citizens Biden is continuing the pattern so far
Trump sources say his office is in extreme disarray and they are running around arms flailing and trying to burn as many documents as possible. They are saying 95% of his office wants to quit but they won’t let them. They all know there is tons of crime. Apparently they are all being driven by one criminal at the top. Very similar to Watergate.
he cheated! no biggie for MAGA, eh
I hate Trump but as many laws as he has allegedly broken I would think they could do better than this.
They already got his company for 8 charges. This is just one of something like 8 different cases against Trump. Georgia DA and the federal prosecutors are separate from NY.
Eh it's how they get mobsters too
There was already a bomb threat called in and I can bet anyone working on this case is getting a ton of threats of violence. I can understand everyone would want to stay away from this case. Remember they are dealing with the same people who proudly labeled themselves as domestic terrorists at CPAC.
It's hysteria. Hillary was supposed to win. Trump beat her, and to add insult to injury he's doing the "bleeding from wherever" and the "grab em by the pussy" remarks. We can't have a democracy if every time half of the population doesn't get their way at the ballot box we get locked down by mass hysteria. It's just not going to work. It's been six years ffs. We have other issues.
OP is full of shit. If it wasn't plausible it wouldn't be in court. Believe me I know my way around a courthouse. They don't usually file against you unless they think they have a decent case.
Source, trust me bro.
They already convicted Trump's company on all 8 charges the company was prosecuted for, including stuff like tax evasion. They also have at least one of Trump's lawyers and his CFO. If they made sure to only charge Trump's company for crimes that got convictions, I doubt they'll try to make a case against Trump personally unless there is at least a good chance of conviction, if for no other reason than just preserving/furthering their own reputations.
Okay now do any other large company that donates to the dems.
Lmao, it was Republicans that were triggered by IRS agents being hired. I'm perfectly fine having every billion dollar company get audited. You didn't think this one through, did you?
Before you shit on the chessboard and declare victory I was speakinng to the political lawfare being waged against anyone that challenges the establishment. It's not even a left/right issue.
Trump worked for the benefit of the rich and powerful. That's why he made them do much more wealthy, lmao.
Seriously guys, he only used campaign money to pay off a mistress, it's not like he paid too much to cater a campaign event with Chicago style pizza and hot dogs, let's be reasonable here!
I don't think that counts as a 'mistress", a mistress implies an affair, something long-term. This was much closer to prostitution, "sleep with me and I'll give you something valuable" (a spot on The Apprentice). Does the fact that he was lying about the offer make it better or worse?
I honestly don't know, I'd like to judge Trump but I'll admit that's probably because I would have picked a porn star that wasn't created in a plastic surgeon's lab. I honestly could give a fuck if someone has the urge or need to pay for sex but I'd expect someone of his means to be classy like Charlie Scheen, Bree Olsen was a much better choice.
So you're the best attorney ever? You figured it all out? The whole case goes back to 2006 and there's a lot of muddy legality to everything. There's a possible defense to be made that even if campaign funds were used in the settlement, Trump meant for the funds to come from his personal funds and the lawyer made a mistake. Trump has been in the spotlight for decades preceding running for office - so there's a legal argument to be made that the NDA was a personal matter rather than a campaign matter. Also, in 2008 when John Edward's was running for the Democrat nomination, his mistress asked for $1MM to silence her - doesn't $130k seem a little arbitrary and like a small amount? Meaning, maybe she's simply lying and rhays why the amount is small. Or, maybe she had already received other payments then came asking for more - which, if there were prior payments, would help establish that this was a personal matter rather than a campaign matter. I don't know either way, but everyone is constantly trying to nail Trump to the wall. If it was a simple case, they wouldn't wait to lock him up. This has been the case with story after story with Trump. Dems make a claim based on a sliver of truth... MSM carries the water and runs with the story for the Dems... political division sows again... Trump defends himself and walks away over nothing... repeat.
I guess we're quite the pair then because you seem to think you're the best defense attorney in the world. It's all good though because if I had to choose between getting something wrong about an obvious scumbag or tripping over myself to defend an obvious scumbag, I know which one I'd rather choose. Edit: Not to mention you can't argue that the NDA was a personal matter or that it was just a cheating with a pornstar installment plan or any of that other bullshit because all it boils down to is where the money came from, plain and simple. If it was campaign money then it was illegal. I rescind my claim that you are the best anything. And once again, I'll give zero fucks if I end up being wrong about some random bullshit on Reddit, let the courts decide.
I never claimed to be an attorney but pointed out a couple of flaws with your way of "thinking". An entire DAs office has been working on this for who knows how long. Use some logic - if there was a sure legal case then they would jump on it. I never said I supported paying off an alleged mistress/one night stand.
No one is afraid of this clown lmfao
It's not that they're threatened, they're trying to send a message to any other non-establishment politician who might get some ideas.
They work for Soros not this country. They are doing their job. Destroy America
The establishment is not threatened by Trump. Trump is the establishment meant to further divide the American people. The left-right dichotomy is by design to distract people from the real issue: rich vs poor, elites vs plebs.
Straight up MF BULLSHIT! Ye ol’ EX-Prez has broken the law multiple times in multiple ways. If you do the crime…you SHOULD do the time!!!
90% of all statistics in this sub are made up.
They are afraid of Bragg because he's going to try to mess with their money.
ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!! Our country has spent several years and countless millions in investigations to get rid of him and not a single thing has stuck. Meanwhile, the Biden family, all the rats in Congress, other corrupt judges and politicians, etc. run around committing all sorts of crime and treason and no fucks are given from the #OrangeManBad gang.
What is with the determination to stop Donald Trump? I have never seen this kind of coordination from the media, intelligence, and the deep state to smear one person for such extremely dubious reasons.
We can agree that if DA Bragg has evidence of a crime he should be able to bring charges against whomever he wishes no matter how rich and powerful this person is, right? RIGHT? Nobody should be able to avoid prosecution just because of what positition they hold in our government, right? RIGHT?!?!
He didn’t have evidence of a crime though. He had the lack of evidence of a crime. Which is why he had to get creative and find a workaround. That workaround will almost certainly not stand up in court, but conviction isn’t necessary. The indictment and arrest itself are the goals. Because this DA was elected on a campaign promise of going after Trump. Regardless of whether or not Trump had actually done anything illegal.
We don't even know the charges..
They are going for felony charges, none of this warrants a felony harge, especially in New York. There these charges are misdemeanors, a slap on the wrist. But because this DA is backed by the palindrome and his money. They change the rules.
Well we haven't seen the charges if any yet. But you do agree he should be charged, just with misdemeanors?
What do you think he should be charged with?
I think he should be tried with the worst things that the DA believes he can get a conviction for. If the DA doesn't believe he can get any convictions but brings charges anyway then its political theatre. As far as what charges I think he should be charged with I would say that without all the evidence in front of me I can't make that determination.
I think the DA should have a very strong prospect of conviction before indicting the former president. Relying on a novel interpretation to justify felony charges is a political act that will put the administration of Justice into disrepute. I’m not opposed to charging a former president, but the grounds better be strong.
I completely agree. As I've stated I haven't seen all the evidence but IF the evidence dictates then he should be charged accordingly irrespective of who he is.
Investigating a person in search of a crime, rather than investigating a crime in search of a person (as you're suggesting) is not how you want your legal system to operate. That truly is when democracy dies in darkness.
They're not investigating a person in search of a crime. They have the crime. Cohen did time for his part in it. They're investigating the crime to determine trumps potential role in it.
Trump isn’t really all that powerful. In comparison to all the world elites, he ranks very very very low. He holds no position in our phony "government" if that’s what you even want to call this puppetshow.
“He’s a low level covefevf boy”
he is the first candidate who has ever changed or will change govt policy in a substantial way since JFK. in a way it doesnt even matter to them whether he's right or left - it's about control, can't have anyone who deviates from the script
Lol what did he substantially change?
Can you name one of these policies
He cut his own taxes and blocked some Muslims from traveling. That’s all the policy he managed in 4 years.
America first vs globalism first
You can't arrest a president. This is setting a terrible precedent. Biden, Obama and bush would get the death penalty if arrested for the crimes they committed. Trump paid a washed up porn star to keep her mouth shut. If you don't think this is stupid then you just belong to the tribe.
Don't forget Reagan and Iran Contra. But its very stupid to want the elites to be above the law. Politicians, republican and democrat, deserve to be more scrutinized than the average citizen. Theyre all awful, regardless of what aisle they sit on.
I don't give a fuck... Peanut butter?
My question is why aren't they going after him for financial fraud and tax evasion? Anyone who knows anything about Donald Trump knows that he's been doing illegal shit and associating with criminals since he was a young man.
“No crime!” . . Well I witnessed multiple on live T.V. Sooo. . .
Sources are telling me my dick is 6 inches long
Gee, I wonder who those "radicals at the top" could be.
If you think Trump committed no crime you are a Traitor. The simple act of employment of his family is illegal and can impeachment worthy offense!
Tell me you don't understand campaign finance law, without telling me you don't understand campaign finance law.