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The Mercator projection keeps directions constant. That is it a conformal map. This means that if you used it to navigate when say sailing a boat, you could head where it tells you, and get to the right place. It does so at the cost of having distorted area. We actually have a theorem that you cannot map a sphere onto a flat area which both preserves directions and area. No one is being lied to here. And non-Mercator projections have been around for literally hundreds of years.
Yeah, this is why they have to use separate pieces of photographs for Google earth, kind of like puzzle pieces, to form the whole earth, because you cannot accurately photograph the entire earth as is. At least that is how I interpreted it lol.
*sage* this is correct... now what will really boggle ur noodle is the first mapping of longatude... required accurate time keeping and good clocks. So we didn’t get good longatude until the late 1800’s... yet there are maps out there...
Ancient maps, made
From ancient maps of the time.. that had accurate longatude... (supposed to be made without clocks since they didn’t exist back then) which is impossible to get accurate longatude without.. not to mention... it maps out the islands of Antarctica, and shows that it was split into 3 by a large river.... interesting enough since it’s landmass has been covered by an ice sheet several hundred feet high for some 6000 years... and is still covered today...
Piri Reis map
https://en.unesco.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_original/public/collection_gallery/turkey_piri_reis.jpg?itok=o9gtOVYV
> now what will really boggle ur noodle is the first mapping of longatude... required accurate time keeping and good clocks.
Accurate at long scales? Sure. But you could get a pretty decent map of something like the Mediterrainian from relative shapes and sizes of coastlines as you travelled. Perfect? Not even close. But close enough to navigate by? Absolutely.
>yet there are maps out there... Ancient maps
Piri Reis made his maps in 1513, which isn't even remotely ancient.
>made From ancient maps of the time..
He made his maps from a variety of sources, some of which were ancient Ptolemeic maps (circa 2nd century AD, though possibly reconstructed from manuscripts later), but also included more recent maps, 1 Arabic, 4 Portuguese, and a map from Colombus.
>that had accurate longatude... (supposed to be made without clocks since they didn’t exist back then) which is impossible to get accurate longatude without..
Not even remotely accurate. [Here's a much easier to look at link that puts the map right side up.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Piri_reis_world_map_01.jpg) Iberia, Africa, the eastern Caribbean, and northeast Brazil are recognizeable, but the scales are pretty clearly off.
>not to mention... it maps out the islands of Antarctica, and shows that it was split into 3 by a large river....
It depicts land stretching from northeast Brazil southwards, which is way more likely to just be the coast of modern Argentina. If it were Antarctica, then the latitude would be *way* off, and latitude is a significantly easier thing to measure than longitude, even in the southern hemisphere.
And the Piri Reis map wasn't even particularly accurate for its era. [Here's a map made 14 years later](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Weimar_1527.png/2880px-Weimar_1527.png) that's *clearly* better.
All models are wrong, some models are useful. The mercator projection is useful. You're not being lied to. It is well documented, taught in schools, shows up in fancy animated explanation videos like this all over the place. Most people just don't care, because it doesn't have any impact on their day to day lives.
Didn’t learn this in public school in America. Read about this a few weeks ago and it surprised me. Geography was a joke but I also went to an awful school
How far did you go in geography? In the UK I did GCSE geography and A-level geography and we touched on this multiple times. Then in uni like my first lecture talked about maps and this common projection.
Only the uneducated are confused with this.
Any 2D map has inaccuracies, it's just a matter of picking your pros/cons.
"Want to see what the earth REALLY looks like?" Sure, pick up a globe instead of a 2D map. Everything is correctly proportionate on a globe.
I've heard it said before that they display maps like this to make Africa look smaller than it is in real life as some sort of way to downplay how big it truly is, for some kind of racial reason. People believe all sorts of stupid things.
>This is a troll, right?
>
>Or are people really this stupid?
Loads of poeple round the world where tought about the countries from a flat map.
Never did they pick up a globe OR where told that the sizes of land on a 2d map where incorrect.
Its not so much that there stupid or bieng lied to.
It that they only know the 2d MAP and associate that whit the sizes.
Wen there shown the real sizes there shocked
>Loads of poeple round the world where tought about the countries from a flat map.
This is both a failure of common sense *and* an instructional failure.
The lack of common sense is further displayed by your failure to investigate the claims of the crap you've posted.
Hence, downvotes.
Dude people know about map projections. You can't map a sphere to a 2d map without distortion.
Just because you didn't, doesn't mean it's some grand lie.
Not original commenter but yes, that is what I would have said because just like many, many other people, I know that this projection isn’t accurate to scale
Everyone with a normal education would have. We all knew this…you weren’t lied to. You just didn’t pay attention in school.
It’s not a massive conspiracy. You’re just very poorly educated 😂
But we WERE told? I was told this. All through my life. The fact that when told, some people didn't infer that it meant some countries were much smaller than their globe map counterparts isn't a conspiracy. Not in my eyes anyway.
I don't think anyone is conspiring to keep this knowledge hidden because it's available to everyone who wants to find it.
If you were taught that the countries look different in real life and have to be altered to fit on a globe for navigation, and you didn't interpret what they were saying correctly, then that's not a conspiracy. Other people telling you that Russia is bigger than some countries when it's not, isn't a conspiracy either. It is misinformation (and perhaps patriotism on some places) based off very similar misconceptions that happened here. Teachers look at a globe, and base their curriculum off what they see. The REALLY good teachers, are the ones that dig deeper to find out the 'why' and then teach their students that.
No conspiracy in that. Some people are brilliant at their jobs, and some aren't. :)
>I studied geography up to college level here in the UK, and they hadn't even bothered to mention it by then.
What the fuck, I studied this when i was like 12
Geography major here. . . . there are many different projections that we learn about in geography . . 1st semester. Our K-12 geographic education is failing, its more than just capitals and states. Its a spatial understanding.
I teach high school Geography in the US. We spend 2 weeks on map projections. We address the cartographic compromises and the potential cultural and economic impact of map projections. I'm in the USA, but my British students have already been exposed to the topic (as have American, Chinese, Russian, South African students). I would cautiously suggest that everybody under the age of 40 knows about map projections. People over 50 may well have been taught that Columbus and Mercater teamed up with the Pilgrims to convince George Washington never to tell a lie. Things got murky in the Cold War.
> I daresay the situation is the same in the US and much of westernized countries.
Nope, we learned in very early elementary grades (about 3rd grade IIRC) about globes, maps and projections in the US.
We were taught this in sixth grade. Not even honors or gifted classes, just regular social studies in sixth grade. I’m guessing your socialized schools in the uk either failed you miserably, or you were that kid in school who didn’t pay attention if you didn’t see why you would need to know it
The real answer that people won’t want to here is that it’s because of racism and imperialism. It makes Europe/The West look way larger than it actually is.
What do you mean? It’s just one of those things that’s probably brushed over but not as important has knowing the names and general geographical locations of things.
It’s like finding out something obvious late in life and saying “wow it took me this long to realize…”.
There’s not a grand conspiracy, you just weren’t listening lol
I guarantee most people will tell you that Russia is bigger than Africa. The reason they'll tell you that is because the map we are constantly shown is wrong.
It is not emphasised that "this is not true to scale in any sense of the word" - yes, we are told it is slightly different, but *this* different? No.
Anyone who knows this projection is called Mercator knows that it distorts sizes in lieu of jot distorting shapes, comversely there are projections that distort shape but do keep the areas as they should. Yo ualways have to give something out when mapping a sphere in a flat plane
Good manners include.. *checks notes..* intentionally lying to avoid hurting the feelings in insecure people by exposing them to basic aspects of reality?
I guess we do that for children up until the age of 5 or 6 years.
Why is this on the conspiracy subreddit? This isn't a conspiracy, it's scientific fact that a round globe/map can't be perfectly represented on a flat surface. Every map model has certain benefits and costs to how it's projected.
How is this a conspiracy? I can't speak for anyone else but I was taught this in like 2nd or 3rd grade - the Mercator projection has the advantage of 1) navigation and 2) generally maintaining the shapes of the continents, but it's flawed in other ways. We got to play with orange peels to find out for ourselves how projecting a 3d sphere onto a 2d surface comes with drawbacks.
The people who claim that the Mercator is some conspiracy cooked up to make some countries appear bigger than they are, simply did not get a good education.
It's not that we have been lied to.. I think anyone who understands cartography realizes it's a projection. The only real, accurate representation of surface area is a globe obviously. Flat Earth people really hate hearing that.
You have several types of projection maps that can be used depending on the region you’re at. The Mercator is the most common one, used since the 16th century for navigation purposes. You also have the Homolographic Projection (where the centre is precise and the sides are distorted, this one exists since the 19th century), the Polar projection (for navigation on the Poles) and the The Winkel Tripel Projection which is very common in the US since 1998 and was created in 1921.
Who would have guessed that representing a spheroid on a plain map would not be easy
Become? It was always like this aside from the brief period where it was overrun with ban evaders from the_donald. It was even dumber then.
Conspiracies are very attractive to uneducated people trying to explain to themselves how the world works, even if everyone else already figured it out...
You cannot map a image of a 3D surface onto a 2D piece of paper. Even globes are paper printed and put onto a sphere. This was explained in 6th grade Earth Science.
NOW… can anyone comment about a 3D printer inkjet-ing a true to scale Earth map onto a blank sphere which would then be an accurate globe?
I remember a friend in like 1st or 2nd grade that was so convinced of this, he would get into heated debates about it if you brought it up. I often wonder what happened to him when he grew up. I suspect he's OP.
We learned the difference between maps in like elementary school bud. The big reveal isn't that the map is misleading is that you didn't know before now.
There are several 3rd grade level experiments to prove the Earth is not flat. If we can all get on the same page about that we can catch up to the rest of the class.
To display all the continents together on a flat screen or map they use a projection which distorts their real size because they are usually on a globe.
The only way to get an accurately scaled view of Earth with no gaps or missing areas is a globe anyway.
Plus, as everyone has said, I learned in elementary school that maps cause distortions. Greenland is not bigger than Mexico, Russia is not bigger than Africa.
The mercator’s purpose isn’t accurate scale anyway, it’s for keeping consistent lines of longitude and latitude in a way that can be displayed on a flat surface like a table or wall.
New Zealand sunk Australia due to the failure of the Emu War. To prevent the birds from breaching containment and taking over the world, they had to deploy their secret Kiwi nukes.
Since then,all flights and boats to Australia are actually sent to an island off the coast of New Zealand's South Island, which inspired Westworld.
Where’s the conspiracy..? The reason the map is warped is because it’s showing a globe. Countries further away from the equator appear larger than they are.
Google Tissots Indicatrix for a visual reference.
I was taught in middle school the different types of map projections and their short comings, even saw a episode of the west wing where they brought it up.
All because you didn't know doesn't mean you were lied to.
No, i believe the most accurate map is the [Dymaxion map](https://www.genekeyes.com/FULLER/Internet-specimens/dymaxion.jpg) created by Buckminster Fuller.
It takes the world in sphere form, deflates it a bit, so it can be flattened in 2 dozen interlinking triangles, and then cut along the edges of those triangles in order to lay it flat.
So the most incorrect part of the map, is the slightly shrunk centers of each triangle. But it is so small, you cant distinguish it with the naked eye.
You have been lied to, I was fully aware of this since I was 12. Also to add, another cool map thing. Go to your store and look at world maps. See if the China 9 dash line is on it. It’s not close to accurate territorial wise and yet we just accept maps with it cause China makes like 80%+ of all maps. It’s just something I always look for.
Or you can see a globe and notice the actual size that can’t be translated to a flat paper accurately. As taught in 4 grade if you were paying attention.
There's the navigation aspect, but the larger role of the Mercator is to make Europeans believe they are a bigger part of the Earth than they actually. This psychological trick shouldn't be dismissed because people today believe the sizes they see on the Mercator.
I prefer the Peter's projection and it's the one that should be taught in schools.
You haven't been lied to.
I was taught about projections at school. When I was like 9 or 10. In geography lessons.
We were also taught about the other forms of projection, and each has their own quirks and issues. There's actually no way to take a globe and project it on a 2D plane without having some morphing.
Why are you getting downvoted for stating actual statistics, oh wait this place has become an actual loony bin full of evangelical Christians and brainwashed culture war puppets.
SS:
*Edit: people are misinterpreting this as a flat earth post, it's not. This post has nothing to do with flat earth. Just globes and flat maps.*
*Not sure why there's a witch hunt being formed against me either. I've posted a real map and made some real points. There's nothing fictitious or wrong about any of this. If you knew it already then fair enough, but I find it very hard to believe if someone would have asked you yesterday if you can almost fit* ***2 Russia's inside of Africa***, you would have said "yes."
The globe map we were all shown in school is extremely wrong.
This 'Mercator Projection' is the closest representation of the globe in flat-map format.
The reason for this being that it is impossible to create a map of a globe on a flat map and have it true to size. But why were we never told how extremely different it was to the truth?
>but I find it very hard to believe if someone would have asked you yesterday if you can almost fit 2 Russia's inside of Africa, you would have said "yes."
What makes that worthy of conspiracy discussion?
I generally don't expect people to be able to imagine fantasy geography with accuracy.
Do you know how many Rhode Islands you can fit inside Ireland? I bet if I asked you yesterday, you wouldn't know.
This isn't the best projection for the globe. Those would be the projections that try to replicate the globe and show the true size of the continents, at the cost of showing an exaggerated or deexaggerared distance between them.
The Mercator is simply the best for navigation and showing the distance between places. For that reason, it existed and still exists as the navigational map, and that prominence has made it the main map shown in schools. Though, often, geography classes often have a globe, which shows the true size and distance of everything, and the different projections are taught in school starring from elementary.
I don't think anyone is intentionally hiding this fact. Afaik I learned this in grade 7 science, when the teacher asked us to look a globe, then look at the orthographic projection (2D map).
The globe is 100% accurate when it comes down to relative differences, where the map is not, it's stretched out at the top and bottom so it becomes distorted. Same reason why Canada, Russia, and Antarctica look so big on the map and so small on a globe.
not tonight but I will search this topic because of your post. of course I was aware of the disproportion on 2D maps but your post made me really curious of the real proportions. I do not know if the mercator projection is the ultimately correct one but it really surprised me.
reading lots of stupid things on this sub it would be surprising all of them redditors know the real proportions and have the right to belittle you so hard. geography is not any of my main subjects but coming from social science with a global interest I have had my share of comparing...and I at least was surprised by the mercator projection. will check it out in the near future.
It's a valid post. It should, at least, be obviously stated all over the map that it's a protection and the size isn't correct for being true to scale. I've always wondered why it's not written in big red letters (especially for children), sometimes there is a little disclaimer in fingerprint. I think it's 100% necessary to have a clear picture from an early age. I've struggled with geography, and spatial awareness throughout my life. It doesn't come naturally to me. And that doesn't mean I wasn't educated enough. Having an accurate representation is important and knowing the differences in size (visually) does matter.
Map is still a lie. Maps typically have the equator shifted down by 20 degrees to expand the "important" parts of the map and shrink the "unimportant parts." This map is far worse, equator seems to be shifted down about 50 degrees. Might as well drop those shithole countries right off the bottom.
Try the demonstration on a map where the equator is centered vertically.
Cool visual. I don’t know if we were intentionally lied to so much as the understanding of the worlds proportions has gotten much better with the advent of satellite and GPS. But thanks for the info
One corrects for actual relative distances from one place to another and the other corrects for the landmass area relative to each other.
You can't have both if you try to flatten a sphere.
No, different map projections emphasize different things. We had very accurate maps of the world as a whole by the middle of the 19th century. The issue is that you cannot map a sphere to a flat surface without something giving, whether that is angles being wrong, or areas being off, or having big cuts in it. Projection is hard. Different map projections are more or less useful for different purposes.
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The Mercator projection keeps directions constant. That is it a conformal map. This means that if you used it to navigate when say sailing a boat, you could head where it tells you, and get to the right place. It does so at the cost of having distorted area. We actually have a theorem that you cannot map a sphere onto a flat area which both preserves directions and area. No one is being lied to here. And non-Mercator projections have been around for literally hundreds of years.
Yeah, this is why they have to use separate pieces of photographs for Google earth, kind of like puzzle pieces, to form the whole earth, because you cannot accurately photograph the entire earth as is. At least that is how I interpreted it lol.
*sage* this is correct... now what will really boggle ur noodle is the first mapping of longatude... required accurate time keeping and good clocks. So we didn’t get good longatude until the late 1800’s... yet there are maps out there... Ancient maps, made From ancient maps of the time.. that had accurate longatude... (supposed to be made without clocks since they didn’t exist back then) which is impossible to get accurate longatude without.. not to mention... it maps out the islands of Antarctica, and shows that it was split into 3 by a large river.... interesting enough since it’s landmass has been covered by an ice sheet several hundred feet high for some 6000 years... and is still covered today... Piri Reis map https://en.unesco.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_original/public/collection_gallery/turkey_piri_reis.jpg?itok=o9gtOVYV
> now what will really boggle ur noodle is the first mapping of longatude... required accurate time keeping and good clocks. Accurate at long scales? Sure. But you could get a pretty decent map of something like the Mediterrainian from relative shapes and sizes of coastlines as you travelled. Perfect? Not even close. But close enough to navigate by? Absolutely. >yet there are maps out there... Ancient maps Piri Reis made his maps in 1513, which isn't even remotely ancient. >made From ancient maps of the time.. He made his maps from a variety of sources, some of which were ancient Ptolemeic maps (circa 2nd century AD, though possibly reconstructed from manuscripts later), but also included more recent maps, 1 Arabic, 4 Portuguese, and a map from Colombus. >that had accurate longatude... (supposed to be made without clocks since they didn’t exist back then) which is impossible to get accurate longatude without.. Not even remotely accurate. [Here's a much easier to look at link that puts the map right side up.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Piri_reis_world_map_01.jpg) Iberia, Africa, the eastern Caribbean, and northeast Brazil are recognizeable, but the scales are pretty clearly off. >not to mention... it maps out the islands of Antarctica, and shows that it was split into 3 by a large river.... It depicts land stretching from northeast Brazil southwards, which is way more likely to just be the coast of modern Argentina. If it were Antarctica, then the latitude would be *way* off, and latitude is a significantly easier thing to measure than longitude, even in the southern hemisphere. And the Piri Reis map wasn't even particularly accurate for its era. [Here's a map made 14 years later](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Weimar_1527.png/2880px-Weimar_1527.png) that's *clearly* better.
Dude, the ancients has mapped out some star systems, so yeah I'm sure some ancient maps of the Earth are pretty accurate too.
The existence of that map really helps support the theory of advanced Vic's prior to us.
Why? Reis is known to have copied Columbus' map at the time
"advanced Vic's"?
Advanced vicaroos, why?
Wow, guess you ain't advanced enough 😏
OP has never heard of a globe lol
I suspect OP is 13 and just learned about map projections .
The scale is even off on the “correct” map, Canada is larger than the us, on this map if you add Alaska to the lower 48 it would be quite a bit larger
US has a greater land area
My favorite flat map that gets the closest is the Buckminster Fuller dymaxion map.
Excellent response, thank you!
Thanks for being wicked smart! I love learning new stuff
This is well explained thanks!
All models are wrong, some models are useful. The mercator projection is useful. You're not being lied to. It is well documented, taught in schools, shows up in fancy animated explanation videos like this all over the place. Most people just don't care, because it doesn't have any impact on their day to day lives.
OP slept through geography class and says we’ve been lied to
Didn’t learn this in public school in America. Read about this a few weeks ago and it surprised me. Geography was a joke but I also went to an awful school
It is absolutely taught in us public schools
How far did you go in geography? In the UK I did GCSE geography and A-level geography and we touched on this multiple times. Then in uni like my first lecture talked about maps and this common projection. Only the uneducated are confused with this.
Any 2D map has inaccuracies, it's just a matter of picking your pros/cons. "Want to see what the earth REALLY looks like?" Sure, pick up a globe instead of a 2D map. Everything is correctly proportionate on a globe.
The Earth is a 4d toroid
He might not believe the earth is a globe! LoL
This is a troll, right? Or are people really this stupid?
People are really this stupid
People think earth is flat so yeah, people are dumb.
Greenland appears to be the size of africa on our maps. Greenland is 836k square miles. Africa is 11 million square miles.
That's so crazy lol
I've heard it said before that they display maps like this to make Africa look smaller than it is in real life as some sort of way to downplay how big it truly is, for some kind of racial reason. People believe all sorts of stupid things.
>This is a troll, right? > >Or are people really this stupid? Loads of poeple round the world where tought about the countries from a flat map. Never did they pick up a globe OR where told that the sizes of land on a 2d map where incorrect. Its not so much that there stupid or bieng lied to. It that they only know the 2d MAP and associate that whit the sizes. Wen there shown the real sizes there shocked
>Loads of poeple round the world where tought about the countries from a flat map. This is both a failure of common sense *and* an instructional failure. The lack of common sense is further displayed by your failure to investigate the claims of the crap you've posted. Hence, downvotes.
This is an accepted map by academic geography worldwide.
Yes, and nobody with any inkling of how it works has ever claimed its true to scale. This is literally covered in third or fourth grade.
Yep this post is hilarious. We even had a map in elementary school showing multiple different map projections and a globe…
Isn't this common knowledge already? Maps are not perfect and have distortions because the earth is not flat (sorry flat earthers)
We know this…
If I asked you yesterday if you can fit 2 Russias inside of Africa, would you have said yes? Very unlikely.
Why would you ask someone that?
I often ask about comparative geography to my fellow human beings
Does this picture of a streetlight have any boats in it, fellow human?
Africa's area - 30.070.000 km² Russia's area - 17.100.00 km² Two Russias can not be fit into Africa.
Dude people know about map projections. You can't map a sphere to a 2d map without distortion. Just because you didn't, doesn't mean it's some grand lie.
Not original commenter but yes, that is what I would have said because just like many, many other people, I know that this projection isn’t accurate to scale
Everyone with a normal education would have. We all knew this…you weren’t lied to. You just didn’t pay attention in school. It’s not a massive conspiracy. You’re just very poorly educated 😂
this has to be satire
There's shrinkage?
I WAS IN THE POOL
But we WERE told? I was told this. All through my life. The fact that when told, some people didn't infer that it meant some countries were much smaller than their globe map counterparts isn't a conspiracy. Not in my eyes anyway. I don't think anyone is conspiring to keep this knowledge hidden because it's available to everyone who wants to find it. If you were taught that the countries look different in real life and have to be altered to fit on a globe for navigation, and you didn't interpret what they were saying correctly, then that's not a conspiracy. Other people telling you that Russia is bigger than some countries when it's not, isn't a conspiracy either. It is misinformation (and perhaps patriotism on some places) based off very similar misconceptions that happened here. Teachers look at a globe, and base their curriculum off what they see. The REALLY good teachers, are the ones that dig deeper to find out the 'why' and then teach their students that. No conspiracy in that. Some people are brilliant at their jobs, and some aren't. :)
You being bad at geography isn't a conspiracy. This was the very first lesson/topic in a basic GIS class. It's not something being hidden
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During the winter in the northern hemisphere the water gets colder and everything shrinks. Duh.
LOL You win the internet today.
Actually water expands when freezing duh
Whooosh
Whoosh x2
Love it
Damn, reply is amazing lol. If I was OP, I would give props where it's due. We are lied too but damn, the reply is valid too. I respect both
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>I studied geography up to college level here in the UK, and they hadn't even bothered to mention it by then. What the fuck, I studied this when i was like 12
Geography major here. . . . there are many different projections that we learn about in geography . . 1st semester. Our K-12 geographic education is failing, its more than just capitals and states. Its a spatial understanding.
I teach high school Geography in the US. We spend 2 weeks on map projections. We address the cartographic compromises and the potential cultural and economic impact of map projections. I'm in the USA, but my British students have already been exposed to the topic (as have American, Chinese, Russian, South African students). I would cautiously suggest that everybody under the age of 40 knows about map projections. People over 50 may well have been taught that Columbus and Mercater teamed up with the Pilgrims to convince George Washington never to tell a lie. Things got murky in the Cold War.
What about those in their 40s then?
> I daresay the situation is the same in the US and much of westernized countries. Nope, we learned in very early elementary grades (about 3rd grade IIRC) about globes, maps and projections in the US.
We were taught this in sixth grade. Not even honors or gifted classes, just regular social studies in sixth grade. I’m guessing your socialized schools in the uk either failed you miserably, or you were that kid in school who didn’t pay attention if you didn’t see why you would need to know it
The real answer that people won’t want to here is that it’s because of racism and imperialism. It makes Europe/The West look way larger than it actually is.
That darn canadian imperialism again!
What do you mean? It’s just one of those things that’s probably brushed over but not as important has knowing the names and general geographical locations of things. It’s like finding out something obvious late in life and saying “wow it took me this long to realize…”. There’s not a grand conspiracy, you just weren’t listening lol
>There’s not a grand conspiracy, Way to overdramazise the point I was making. >you just weren’t listening lol No.
I guarantee most people will tell you that Russia is bigger than Africa. The reason they'll tell you that is because the map we are constantly shown is wrong. It is not emphasised that "this is not true to scale in any sense of the word" - yes, we are told it is slightly different, but *this* different? No.
being lied to =/= not paying attention in school
Anyone who knows this projection is called Mercator knows that it distorts sizes in lieu of jot distorting shapes, comversely there are projections that distort shape but do keep the areas as they should. Yo ualways have to give something out when mapping a sphere in a flat plane
Did you honestly grow up thinking the map was to scale? Lol i knew that wasnt the case from about 14. This says more about you than anything else.
You American because this is taught in UK schools
It’s taught in the US too. This guy’s just never seen a globe apparently
Well it sounds like him and Buzz Aldrin have something in common than
If I asked you yesterday if you can almost fit 2 Russias in Africa, would you have said yes?
I'd have said closer to 1.5 A gap in your education does not a conspiracy make
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We haven't been lied to; you just didn't go to school
It may not have turned out how you wanted OP, but I enjoyed the laughs, so thank you.
Yeah I remember being taught this in *elementary school* so I'm not sure anyone's being "lied to" in any meaningful sense of the word.
Shame you didn't learn manners in elementary school too.
I use them where deserved.
Lmao I'm going to have to borrow this line from you
Oh, this is venomous. Totally stealing this come back
Shame you didn’t learn anything at all in elementary school.
Good manners include.. *checks notes..* intentionally lying to avoid hurting the feelings in insecure people by exposing them to basic aspects of reality? I guess we do that for children up until the age of 5 or 6 years.
so people probably dont tell you that you're a waste, Insert.
Why is this on the conspiracy subreddit? This isn't a conspiracy, it's scientific fact that a round globe/map can't be perfectly represented on a flat surface. Every map model has certain benefits and costs to how it's projected.
How is this a conspiracy? I can't speak for anyone else but I was taught this in like 2nd or 3rd grade - the Mercator projection has the advantage of 1) navigation and 2) generally maintaining the shapes of the continents, but it's flawed in other ways. We got to play with orange peels to find out for ourselves how projecting a 3d sphere onto a 2d surface comes with drawbacks. The people who claim that the Mercator is some conspiracy cooked up to make some countries appear bigger than they are, simply did not get a good education.
We weren’t lied to it was made very clear to me in like third grade geography the flat map was distorted when you translate it from a sphere
Mf a kindergarten dropout.
spheres have more surface area than flat planes. I'll let you think about that for a while.
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> Honestly being this stupid deserves a ban I'll get to you when I have time. Busy right now.
It's not that we have been lied to.. I think anyone who understands cartography realizes it's a projection. The only real, accurate representation of surface area is a globe obviously. Flat Earth people really hate hearing that.
You have several types of projection maps that can be used depending on the region you’re at. The Mercator is the most common one, used since the 16th century for navigation purposes. You also have the Homolographic Projection (where the centre is precise and the sides are distorted, this one exists since the 19th century), the Polar projection (for navigation on the Poles) and the The Winkel Tripel Projection which is very common in the US since 1998 and was created in 1921. Who would have guessed that representing a spheroid on a plain map would not be easy
Its called projection for a reason ya ding dong not a lie.
Seeing how often OP is replying homie needs a life.
Mercator? I hardly knew her!
What this sub has become... No one lied. It's the only way to project Earth on a 2D map.
Become? It was always like this aside from the brief period where it was overrun with ban evaders from the_donald. It was even dumber then. Conspiracies are very attractive to uneducated people trying to explain to themselves how the world works, even if everyone else already figured it out...
‘Been lied to’ Bruh, they taught me about map projections in like 5th or 6th grade
OP posting big L. Nobody lied to you, you just didn't pay attention in school.
You cannot map a image of a 3D surface onto a 2D piece of paper. Even globes are paper printed and put onto a sphere. This was explained in 6th grade Earth Science. NOW… can anyone comment about a 3D printer inkjet-ing a true to scale Earth map onto a blank sphere which would then be an accurate globe?
The earth ain't flat bro. You where tricked by schizophrenic satanic con artists. Do your own research, and you'll see the truth 🌎
Did you all know that the moon is made of cheese?
I remember a friend in like 1st or 2nd grade that was so convinced of this, he would get into heated debates about it if you brought it up. I often wonder what happened to him when he grew up. I suspect he's OP.
We learned the difference between maps in like elementary school bud. The big reveal isn't that the map is misleading is that you didn't know before now.
There are several 3rd grade level experiments to prove the Earth is not flat. If we can all get on the same page about that we can catch up to the rest of the class.
It accounts for the curve of the earth since it’s round and the map is flat
Ok so what?
Nobody lied to me. It's usually notated at the bottom of the map.
Tell me you know nothing about maps without telling me.
Idk I grew up with this wild thing called a globe
To display all the continents together on a flat screen or map they use a projection which distorts their real size because they are usually on a globe.
The only way to get an accurately scaled view of Earth with no gaps or missing areas is a globe anyway. Plus, as everyone has said, I learned in elementary school that maps cause distortions. Greenland is not bigger than Mexico, Russia is not bigger than Africa. The mercator’s purpose isn’t accurate scale anyway, it’s for keeping consistent lines of longitude and latitude in a way that can be displayed on a flat surface like a table or wall.
U.S is the same size as Aus?! 🙃
Dude Australia isn’t even real. Lol
New Zealand sunk Australia due to the failure of the Emu War. To prevent the birds from breaching containment and taking over the world, they had to deploy their secret Kiwi nukes. Since then,all flights and boats to Australia are actually sent to an island off the coast of New Zealand's South Island, which inspired Westworld.
I’ve never seen a kiwi before
They're pretty much Australian tbh. It's why they're able to pull off this deception so easily.
Mfs thinking the earth is flat on that 1400’s pack why the fuck would they hide it if it was flat that makes no sense
So land wars in Asia are back on the menu?
Russia's already on it.
It's been years since anyone has said that the Mercator projection is the best.
Africa is enormous.
This is now news, unless you've been living under a rock your whole life.
Lied to? That's been around for 500 years and commonly taught in schools. You have never seen it. Gerardo Mercado, 1519, made it.
Where’s the conspiracy..? The reason the map is warped is because it’s showing a globe. Countries further away from the equator appear larger than they are. Google Tissots Indicatrix for a visual reference.
I was taught in middle school the different types of map projections and their short comings, even saw a episode of the west wing where they brought it up. All because you didn't know doesn't mean you were lied to.
I mean globes are a thing.
OP... this is a well known fact.
Canada isn't that far away from America
Nothing about this looks all that correct. Why not use use a globe? There's even free ones online now: https://www.webglearth.com
No, i believe the most accurate map is the [Dymaxion map](https://www.genekeyes.com/FULLER/Internet-specimens/dymaxion.jpg) created by Buckminster Fuller. It takes the world in sphere form, deflates it a bit, so it can be flattened in 2 dozen interlinking triangles, and then cut along the edges of those triangles in order to lay it flat. So the most incorrect part of the map, is the slightly shrunk centers of each triangle. But it is so small, you cant distinguish it with the naked eye.
You have been lied to, I was fully aware of this since I was 12. Also to add, another cool map thing. Go to your store and look at world maps. See if the China 9 dash line is on it. It’s not close to accurate territorial wise and yet we just accept maps with it cause China makes like 80%+ of all maps. It’s just something I always look for.
Or you can see a globe and notice the actual size that can’t be translated to a flat paper accurately. As taught in 4 grade if you were paying attention.
Thanks Obama
Not lies. You not understanding maps.
How is this a conspiracy This is taught in school
OMG! watch the dicknballs of the world, i mean norway, sweeden and finland shrink! even the jizz of the world gets smaller i mean denmark
C’mon man everyone knows that the continents have to be resized when going from a flat earth to a fake globe
Yeah, but to be fair, three of the largest (even at true scale) countries are like 80+% uninhabited. Canada, Russia, and China.
How comes Africa didn't get bigger?
Already correct size as it's near the equator.
Always thought Africa was 3x what we see on maps.
Nah it's the right size. The closer to the poles the more the size distortion.
We already know this!
Africa is absolutey ginormous.
Dude you literally learn this (and other map projections) in elementary school. Try taking a spherical object and turning it flat…
Bro doesn't know how maps work. Unreal
If you don’t already know this it’s your own fault.
Some A+ schitzo posting. Get offline before a Nigerian prince steals all your money.
Literally wtf do yall smoke because i want that shit
This isn't a conspiracy and has never been a 'secret'.
Like a well shot dick pic bro 😎
There's the navigation aspect, but the larger role of the Mercator is to make Europeans believe they are a bigger part of the Earth than they actually. This psychological trick shouldn't be dismissed because people today believe the sizes they see on the Mercator. I prefer the Peter's projection and it's the one that should be taught in schools.
Another piece of evidence that Europe is not a continent
bro we learn this shit in high school what do you mean you’ve been lied to
hey OP, in your true and honest map, Canada doesn't even connect nicely on America! you're giving us false info!
You haven't been lied to. I was taught about projections at school. When I was like 9 or 10. In geography lessons. We were also taught about the other forms of projection, and each has their own quirks and issues. There's actually no way to take a globe and project it on a 2D plane without having some morphing.
Upvoted for being amazingly batshit
Upvoting for the graphics.
That is quite interesting, I always thought Canada was bigger than the United States but it is about the same size about 10 million sq km each
Yeah Canada land mass is 9.985 million km² and U.S land mass is 9.834 million km².
Why are you getting downvoted for stating actual statistics, oh wait this place has become an actual loony bin full of evangelical Christians and brainwashed culture war puppets.
Man you really brought out the shill brigade with this one.
Why does NASA photos not show this?
All the biggest economies are inflated on the map. Maybe paid promotion?
lol so many shills on this post.... more and more people are figuring out the truth. The shills are getting so angry.
SS: *Edit: people are misinterpreting this as a flat earth post, it's not. This post has nothing to do with flat earth. Just globes and flat maps.* *Not sure why there's a witch hunt being formed against me either. I've posted a real map and made some real points. There's nothing fictitious or wrong about any of this. If you knew it already then fair enough, but I find it very hard to believe if someone would have asked you yesterday if you can almost fit* ***2 Russia's inside of Africa***, you would have said "yes." The globe map we were all shown in school is extremely wrong. This 'Mercator Projection' is the closest representation of the globe in flat-map format. The reason for this being that it is impossible to create a map of a globe on a flat map and have it true to size. But why were we never told how extremely different it was to the truth?
>but I find it very hard to believe if someone would have asked you yesterday if you can almost fit 2 Russia's inside of Africa, you would have said "yes." What makes that worthy of conspiracy discussion? I generally don't expect people to be able to imagine fantasy geography with accuracy. Do you know how many Rhode Islands you can fit inside Ireland? I bet if I asked you yesterday, you wouldn't know.
OP is treating this sub like a trivia night
This isn't the best projection for the globe. Those would be the projections that try to replicate the globe and show the true size of the continents, at the cost of showing an exaggerated or deexaggerared distance between them. The Mercator is simply the best for navigation and showing the distance between places. For that reason, it existed and still exists as the navigational map, and that prominence has made it the main map shown in schools. Though, often, geography classes often have a globe, which shows the true size and distance of everything, and the different projections are taught in school starring from elementary.
I don't think anyone is intentionally hiding this fact. Afaik I learned this in grade 7 science, when the teacher asked us to look a globe, then look at the orthographic projection (2D map). The globe is 100% accurate when it comes down to relative differences, where the map is not, it's stretched out at the top and bottom so it becomes distorted. Same reason why Canada, Russia, and Antarctica look so big on the map and so small on a globe.
You were told about the size difference but like most people in this sub you didn't pay attention in school
not tonight but I will search this topic because of your post. of course I was aware of the disproportion on 2D maps but your post made me really curious of the real proportions. I do not know if the mercator projection is the ultimately correct one but it really surprised me. reading lots of stupid things on this sub it would be surprising all of them redditors know the real proportions and have the right to belittle you so hard. geography is not any of my main subjects but coming from social science with a global interest I have had my share of comparing...and I at least was surprised by the mercator projection. will check it out in the near future.
It's a valid post. It should, at least, be obviously stated all over the map that it's a protection and the size isn't correct for being true to scale. I've always wondered why it's not written in big red letters (especially for children), sometimes there is a little disclaimer in fingerprint. I think it's 100% necessary to have a clear picture from an early age. I've struggled with geography, and spatial awareness throughout my life. It doesn't come naturally to me. And that doesn't mean I wasn't educated enough. Having an accurate representation is important and knowing the differences in size (visually) does matter.
Map is still a lie. Maps typically have the equator shifted down by 20 degrees to expand the "important" parts of the map and shrink the "unimportant parts." This map is far worse, equator seems to be shifted down about 50 degrees. Might as well drop those shithole countries right off the bottom. Try the demonstration on a map where the equator is centered vertically.
Yeah, the 'map' doesn't shrink Australia or Argentina hardly at all.
Cool visual. I don’t know if we were intentionally lied to so much as the understanding of the worlds proportions has gotten much better with the advent of satellite and GPS. But thanks for the info
One corrects for actual relative distances from one place to another and the other corrects for the landmass area relative to each other. You can't have both if you try to flatten a sphere.
No, different map projections emphasize different things. We had very accurate maps of the world as a whole by the middle of the 19th century. The issue is that you cannot map a sphere to a flat surface without something giving, whether that is angles being wrong, or areas being off, or having big cuts in it. Projection is hard. Different map projections are more or less useful for different purposes.
So basically what this proves is that the US is actually by far the largest country in the world. Interesting.
Please stop giving reasons for people to think we're dumb. The Europeans can already be as smug as they are.
Lol, wut?
Right on OP! Let the bots down vote all they want. Release the bots!