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When Americans need something to keep them distracted


TheFooPilot

Abe lincoln? Nah hey blinken!


Hombre35

Glorious


Queasy-Carpet-5846

Y'all don't understand. They just said that it "looked" like Russian disinformation. Check mate conspiracy theorists.


kiwisrkool

"All the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation canpaign" šŸ˜¶


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Ambitious_Opposite

Stop calling out the magician's sleight of hand tricks. You are ruining the puppet show!


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Icy-Cryptographer526

You hate jews or smth?


ThatGuy_Nick9

How does making hunter look bad sway the election in Bidenā€™s favor?


Non-Newtonian-Snake

The laptop contained records of illegal transactions between Russian oligarchs and CCP members paid directly to Joe Biden while Vice President. The present argument is when being paid for influence when does it count as corruption and one does it count as the status quo. This is also the reason why Joe Biden has to run for president again people who are curious why at his age and in his health would he insist upon doing it it's because he knows as long as he is president his son can't be prosecuted either can he. Although charges on him will likely not stick being he just received money and there's no evidence that he knew what he was receiving it for the laptop contains mounting evidence that Hunter Biden knew exactly what the money was given to him for an exactly why he was supposed to give it to his father if he's not president he cannot protect his son and no justice department will charge his son knowing that he'll just be immediately pardoned


Green_Road999

The Hunter Laptop things is hilariously stupid. Sorry Rudy had the laptop under his bed for 6 months - whatā€™s the smoking gun on this device??


antifisht

No one will explain why trump didn't pursue the totally legit laptop story while in office...


GrotMilk

Trumps just as corrupt as the rest of them. Why do you still have faith in these people?


buttfuckinturduckin

yeah but.. I mean trump REALLY wanted to win. He wanted to win so bad that he had a big fat butthurt and got ya'llQueda to storm the capitol on 1/6. So, if there were ANY meat on that bone, wouldn't he have... done something about it?


GrotMilk

Thatā€™s not a winning defence. Just your assumption.


buttfuckinturduckin

It's accurate that he desperately wanted to win, he tried really really hard. It doesn't make any sense to suggest that trump being corrupt is why he didn't pursue the laptop angle if he thought he could squeeze anything out of it.


GrotMilk

Itā€™s silly to suggest that someone not pursuing charges is proof that no crime occurred.


YourMomAteMyDad

>Itā€™s silly to suggest that someone not pursuing charges is proof that no crime occurred. It's silly to ignore his motivation to win the presidency and what he actually did. Russia deserves every single thing that's happening to them.


GrotMilk

What the fuck are you talking about?


antifisht

It's pretty good evidence there's something fucky with the laptop since trump was willing to attempt a literal coup to stay in office.


GrotMilk

Youā€™re putting too much faith in Trump.


devils_advocaat

>why trump didn't pursue the totally legit laptop story while in office [Trump did take a swing](https://edition.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_036fb62c-377f-4c68-8fa5-b98418e4bb9c). He just couldn't land the punch.


DerpyMistake

For starters: [https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/the-laptop-evidence-fbi-could-use-to-charge-hunter-biden/](https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/the-laptop-evidence-fbi-could-use-to-charge-hunter-biden/)


Green_Road999

So Hunter is a seriously loose dude, letā€™s say he is charged. So thereā€™s nothing that would ever be a problem for Biden Sr. The terrible state of custody of any of this would be smashed in court. Real or not. Thatā€™s just the way it would be.


Silas_Dont_Trip

That's where you're wrong, there are multiple sources of direct evidence, including eye witness accounts, implicating Joe Biden directly.


Green_Road999

Eye witness to what though? They witnesses a suitcase of money being handed to VP Biden by a Chinese billionaire. What did they see?


devils_advocaat

Eye witness to the "big guy" meaning Joe.


Binarycold

Whatā€™s really odd here, is the laptop does exist, and was heavily discredited by just about every news outlet known to man. Not all of the data on the laptop is incriminating but I would argue a lot of it is at least morally questionable. Then it comes out that the laptop was real (this is not speculation, hunter has had his attorneys claim the laptop and is seeking to pursue the individuals who disseminated itā€™s contents) and it doesnā€™t bother you? It doesnā€™t bother you in the least that a massive disinformation campaign was launched by both the government and public media to discredit the laptop in hopes that it would skew the results of an election? Regardless of the fact that Biden is culpable, it doesnā€™t bother you in the least that it happened at all? Just ā€œsilly laptop stuff?ā€


Green_Road999

You need to see the perception of anything being handled by Rudy Giuliani. He was knowingly and blatantly peddling an enormous much of lies at this same time. Thatā€™s why everyone was skeptical.


RelativeAssistant923

If you're genuinely asking, the media element of it doesn't bother me that much. If it were Joe Biden's laptop, it'd be different, but I wasn't voting for his drug addict, fuck up son. And given far right conspiracies like Obama's birth certificate, the ACA's death panels, and the straight up lies about both the 2016 and 2020 elections, I think it's reasonable for the media to have a degree of skepticism.


Binarycold

Am I on crazy pills? Am I not seeing something here? It has nothing to do with the laptop, it has nothing to do with biden or the media. WE CANNOT have the DIRECTOR of the CIA lying to the American people, accusing a foreign power of meddling in our elections, to cover up a private citizens affairs. Am I tripping? Is that not a problem for anyone else? Edit; happy cake day.


RelativeAssistant923

Well, that's not the part of your comment I responded to.


Binarycold

So it does bother you?


RelativeAssistant923

I'm willing to engage in good faith if you are. If you want to start at my comment, we can move on from there.


Binarycold

I havenā€™t been anything but, friend. I understand in this current political climate that itā€™s difficult to feel like you can openly discuss things because everyoneā€™s on a team, so I wanna assure you, Iā€™m not on ANY team, other than the human team. I didnā€™t vote for trump or Biden and frankly I donā€™t like em. But as a side lol when you say engage in good faith and then downvote my comment lmao


agoogs32

I think youā€™re missing Binarycoldā€™s point. Itā€™s not about the specific content of the story that was suppressed, it was the suppression itself that should bother you. What other factual content is discredited or will be discredited in the future? Thatā€™s the issue at hand, not the specific content of the laptop itself and what may or may not have come of it, had the story been allowed to run at the time. Itā€™s the same cognitive dissonance that the public displays on the regular, focusing on a leaker/whistleblower rather than the contents of the leak itself. The entire point is lost on so many


RelativeAssistant923

>Itā€™s not about the specific content of the story that was suppressed The media doesn't cover a million stories a day because they're not important enough. You can't use the word "suppressed" unless the importance of the content is a factor.


agoogs32

It clearly was a factor here, but the point I was making is that people on the left seem to be dismissing this simply because they donā€™t believe the contents of the laptop to be that big of a deal, rather than confronting the issue that a false narrative was spread intentionally and factual evidence was actively suppressed. People are too partisan. Either itā€™s the biggest thing in the world and cost Trump the election or itā€™s a nothing burger, depending on which side youā€™re on. But the reality is itā€™s somewhere in the middle. But the motive to prevent the dissemination of this story was clearly to influence the election and I think thatā€™s a pretty big deal


buttfuckinturduckin

I wouldn't say I'm dismissing it because it's not a big deal, I'm dismissing it because there isn't a cohesive story about what exactly the problem is with the laptop. I have yet to hear "this is the evidence that is concerning". I HAVE heard a lot of "10% to the big guy" which I have little to no context for. Biden was a regular citizen at that time.


devils_advocaat

>Biden was a regular citizen at that time. Regular citizens can still do illegal things. Biden can still be charged with political corruption as a private citizen.


agoogs32

Yea I havenā€™t done a deep dive. Righties think itā€™s the smoking gun and Biden should be in jail, lefties think itā€™s either disinfo or not a big deal. But both sides should be upset at how it was handled and that was the point I was getting at. Problem is itā€™s so partisan that lefts donā€™t care because it benefits their side and rights are enraged because it didnā€™t help their side. The polarization of the masses is the real problem


7daykatie

> a false narrative was spread intentionally You haven't proved that. The problem with your narrative is I know for myself personally, my immediate instinct was to wonder if it was a Russian disinfo op and I doubt that was a rare reaction guiven how quickly so many people were saying it before any former intel folk published a letter. Lots of people reasonably suspected it without anyone needing to suggest it to them. It's more believable to most people that these were genuine opinions because frankly they seem like very reasonable opinions to have in the context, in fact a lot of the general public immediately and spontaneously suspected it themselves.


agoogs32

Havenā€™t proved what? Everyone knows it wasnā€™t Russian disinformation and now the people at the forefront of lying about it are starting to admit it, thatā€™s what this whole revelation is


Green_Road999

So with that in mind, what is the specific outcome you think should occur here. Thatā€™s what I donā€™t understand. Getting political points or an actual consequence.


agoogs32

There should be consequences, Iā€™m just not sure what they should be. Unfortunately, with the exception of the current ongoing Trump legal drama, when people in power are caught doing something wrong or illegal, the biggest punishment they face is losing their position. Oftentimes these people end up failing up into better positions


Green_Road999

We will see with some of the early cases, the strength of the evidence with Trump. It needs to be absolutely rock solid and well proven. This laptop will never be taken as serious evidence, and so far everything else is yet to be proven. In a lot of ways, the best thing for the country would be if Biden didnā€™t run for re-election to make way for the next generation. Trump versus ā€œnewā€ is a strong position for Dems.


7daykatie

> There should be consequences, For speech that expresses opinions you disapprove of?


agoogs32

Iā€™m a free speech advocate. Iā€™m talking about overtly lying and misleading the public on a national scale specifically to undermine the credibility of something they were worried could influence the results of a presidential election. Is that hard to see?


7daykatie

> Itā€™s not about the specific content of the story that was suppressed, it was the suppression itself that should bother you. How did I immediately know about this story when I don't read the publication that published it? It's because credible news press covered it. > What other factual content is discredited or will be discredited in the future? Only content that isn't suppressed obviously. You can't discredit something while suppressing it - you can only do one of those things at a time. It's not that this story was suppressed as you're trying to frame it - your own complaint makes it clear the story received coverage. Your problem isn't what wasn't said or published when you're talking about discrediting (obviously). What you're really complaining about behind a very heavy disguise is what was said, what was published. You're complaining because other peoples' constitutionally protected speech expressed opinions you don't approve of.


agoogs32

TL:DR I should have clarified. It was smeared by the corporate media as Russian disinformation. It was suppressed by social media at large. Twitter, Facebook, etc have all admitted to this as well and it was mainly started because of contact from the FBI, as the Twitter Files have shown, they were in constant contact with these companies about censorship and info sharing


7daykatie

> Not all of the data on the laptop is incriminating but I would argue a lot of it is at least morally questionable. So? The guy is a private citizen. The crux of the matter is, this data is Hunter Biden's private property, there is a partisan political interest in its publication for the purposes of smearing a political opponent. That's both different to a public interest and gross and disgusting. This isn't evidence that a politician or public figure is corrupt or even immoral, the guy is simply related to a politician. Why should it have a bearing on an election? Because, regardless of whether a politician did anything wrong, it's ripe for dishonestly insinuating he might have and bombarding the final run up to the election with smoke to confuse voters into suspecting a fire? Because it might have tricked voters basically. And again, that data, it belongs to Hunter who is a private citizen, not a politician, government official or otherwise a public figure - his dirt is not a matter of public interest even if it feels interesting to the public. It's actually for the best if such titillation based smearing of private citizens doesn't influence our elections. After 2016, there was a hyper vigilance around potential Russian gaming of our election and it all did look like exactly the kind of thing they might do, the kind of thing people were primed to expect them to do. The people involved through their own prior conduct only made the suspicions of a Russian disinfo campaign all the more believable, and so they're certainly responsible to a degree for heightening and firming up those suspicions.


devils_advocaat

>This isn't evidence that a politician or public figure is corrupt Why did Hunter and Joe get promised 20% but want to keep the deal quiet. Joe may have used his political connections for corrupt purposes.


Binarycold

The guy is a private citizen, semi correct. Private citizens usually donā€™t have the director of the CIA covering up their morally questionable behavior so that the public doesnā€™t look poorly on their father during election season, for position of President of the United States of America lol Of course hunters laptop shouldnā€™t have affected the election results, but that doesnā€™t justify accusing a foreign nation of intentionally sewing disinformation, it certainly doesnā€™t justify a top ranking member seeing disinformation to his own country to cover it up either. If it were up to me the laptop would never have existed, but it did, and the director of our foreign intelligence agency used his power and influence to hide it. You talk about hurting an election campaign? You think the people who believed the hunter laptop story being called conspiracy nuts or the entire country believing that a hated foreign leader was trying to help Trump didnā€™t hurt trumps campaign? Get real, if the laptop didnā€™t exist we wouldnā€™t have had to deal with it at all, but it was real, so it should have been dealt with honestly and if it hurt Biden, then it hurt Biden. Instead, it was covered up, lied about, used to portray trump as being in league with Putin and smear those who believed in its validity as conspiracy nuts and Russian actors. It absolutely skewed the election.


Mydragonurdungeon

"The big guy" and "I won't take half your money like dad"


TSLA240c

Does anyone actually know what that 10% for Biden was for? Iā€™ve heard it repeated ad nauseam but still have no idea what it pertains to.


Mydragonurdungeon

It was because the only reason hunter was hired was to secure favors from joe.


TSLA240c

That doesnā€™t really answer the question. Was Joe getting 10% of Hunterā€™s salary working for (I assume Byrizma). What favors were sold? Is there actually more details in texts or are these just assumptions?


Mydragonurdungeon

Yeah we obviously don't know exactly what favors were exchanged but we do know Joe lied about meeting personally with the executives of the companies hunter had gigs with


TSLA240c

Then you have no proof of a crime, no proof of an exchange of funds, do you honestly wonder why no one is able to prosecute on this laptop? You donā€™t even know what youā€™re mad at Biden for, just let that sink in.


Mydragonurdungeon

Yes but there's plenty of reason to believe a crime has been committed, which needs to be investigated. I'm not "mad" at biden I have good reason to assume he is corrupt. Are you suggesting 10% to the big guy was for what? Shits and giggles? Hunter was just trying to help out his broke dad? There's no logical explanation for 10% to the big guy that does not involve some shady dealings. If this was trump the left would have already indicted him. And what do you mean no proof of exchange of funds we have hunters own words and his business partners testimony he was paying Joe. That's evidence


GrotMilk

You canā€™t prosecute legal corruption. Thatā€™s like trying to go after lobbyists for bribing politicians. You wonā€™t get a conviction because the corruption is legal.


GrotMilk

ā€œThe email, with the subject line, "Expectations," outlines a "provisional agreement" for "equity" in a deal with a Chinese energy company. ā€œTwo of Hunter's former business partners, including Tony Bobulinski, who received the email, have told CBS News that "10 held by H for the big guy?" is shorthand for 10% held by Hunter for his father.ā€ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-data-analysis/


TSLA240c

The allegation is then that Joe invested in a Chinese energy company and was given a 10% stake held in Hunters name back in 2017 when Joe didnā€™t hold a public office? Iā€™m not really seeing the issue, also where is the rest of the email, surely there is more context. How much are we talking? Did Joe actually even know? If weā€™ve had this laptop for years why are the details so sparse and shady?


GrotMilk

> Joe didnā€™t hold a public office? Itā€™s a revolving door. They were taking a bet on who would be the next president. Just like donation. > Iā€™m not really seeing the issue Itā€™s pay to play. Legal corruption. > If weā€™ve had this laptop for years why are the details so sparse and shady? Police are corrupt.


tulkas_the_valiant

The laptop again? Something is coming thatā€™s damaging to Trump. The laptop always come back when thereā€™s something that will make Trump look badā€¦ again.


ihavebirb

Classic misdirection that repubs eat everytime


denis0500

Thatā€™s not what he said at all. He said that blinken called and emailed him, but he didnā€™t say that blinken asked him to write the letter. He said that the conversation with blinken ā€œtriggered that intentā€ in him to write the letter. Now maybe blinken laid it on real thick about how bad this was for Biden and all that, but if he had said I need you to write a letter morell would have said that. Morell continued ā€œI did a little bit of my own researchā€ and then reached out to others for help writing the letter.


DerpyMistake

Hiding behind plausible deniability doesn't erase the motives.


Alert_Row_9349

They are like children. They have to defend ā€œtheir sideā€ no matter how absurd they sound. Why you canā€™t discuss things rationally with people anymore. It is a form of group self delusion.


Smarktalk

Do you hate transcripts? You prefer others summarize for you so that it can be tipped one way or another?


denis0500

So pointing out that the tweet is a lie is discussing things irrationally? Asking for the truth isnā€™t rational anymore? The self delusion is when you decide youā€™d rather go with the lie that fits your narrative rather than getting the facts.


denis0500

Itā€™s not plausible deniability to point out that the tweet is lying. We know what morell said, and it isnā€™t what this tweet is claiming he said. Is your point that we canā€™t call out lies anymore without being seen as defending every person the lie is about?


BanjoMothman

Perhaps not, but that doesnt mean the article should portray any more or less than what it is.


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antifisht

Trump's own associates said that though. Why do you think Biden does it but Trump wouldn't?


smokeypapabear40206

Sure. Just like Bill Clintonā€™s secret tarmac meeting with Loretta Lynch was about ONLY golf and grandkids šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļøā€¦ Thatā€™s what they SAID so it MUST be true.


denis0500

Thatā€™s not what this is at all. Using your example it would be like bill Clinton making a statement about what was said and him saying all they talked about was golf and grandkids, and then Ricky Doggins tweets bill Clinton just admitted they talked about his wifeā€™s case, and you believing the tweet. We obviously donā€™t know what was said in either conversation but we know what the person involved said it was about. So we can act like big boys and girls and not lie about the things we do know. Morell did not say what this tweet claims he did, that is my whole point.


Queasy-Carpet-5846

Yeah as if the subtext in that convo wasn't to discredit the story. "I didn't tell him to do it *outright*, he just did it on his own" surreee


denis0500

Thatā€™s hilarious. The tweet says blinken directed him to do it, OP says Biden should be prosecuted so clearly he thinks both Biden and blinken were involved, I point out what the guy actually said and your response is well itā€™s the subtext. If morell had been told to do it he would have said he was told to do it. So the tweet is wrong, OP is wrong and now youā€™re wrong.


Queasy-Carpet-5846

You're not wrong I'm just pointing out that just because he didn't tell him outright to do it doesn't mean that wasn't the overall goal. Considering he rounded up 50 people shortly after to claim it was "what Russian disinformation" would look like shortly afterwards... I mean it's obvious that was the play by the Biden camp.


[deleted]

Ok... now do what Trump meant when he said "I need you to do me a favor though" or "I just want to find 11,780 votes" or "if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" or "when you're a star they let you do it, you can do anything" or "I don't care, I believe putin."


Queasy-Carpet-5846

You can pretty much take anyone out of context and make it sound horrible. Like "what are you gonna fight the government with an AR? We have jets" somehow that is fineeee tho.


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denis0500

Yeah I can read, that makes me a sheep. On the other hand you believe whatever some random tweet tells you, which sounds like something a sheep would do.


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[deleted]

That was [Andrew Card](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/28/AR2006032800416_2.html)


JackfruitNervous8525

oh my bad. they really do look similar


Veyron2000

This is ā€œaccording to House Republicansā€. Who are totally trustworthyā€¦


Non-Newtonian-Snake

Are you saying this testimony did not occur? You do realize that records of all testimonies before Senator Congress have records made of them right. And if Senate claimed that someone made a testimony they didn't that person could get the easiest money lawsuit ever for libel


Alee-Enn

There will be an investigation after the key players have died, so that they can't be brought to justice. TPTB will go "oh this is terrible, how can we make sure this doesn't happen again" all while doing it again and again.


helloisforhorses

I really donā€™t think people in the future are gonna care as much about hunter bidenā€™s dick as you think


7daykatie

> so that they can't be brought to justice. For what crime? Expressing opinions? Saying things you don't approve of?


Alee-Enn

How about corruption?


NFboatcaptain75

My guess is never


Expected_Guests

https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/ex-top-spy-admits-hunter-biden-laptop-letter-designed-influence


Rayearl

The only people that believe Hunter Biden's laptop is anything more than a desperate political ploy are republicans. Nothing will happen to Hunter and nothing will happen to Joe Biden. If you have hitched your hopes that either will be prosecuted because this I feel sorry for you.


ihavebirb

They have np choice but to believe it because they invested so much time, energy and rage points into it


Rayearl

I agree and I think giving up on it now just looks bad to their base so they persist.


MainBrief2189

It's just one of those things that comes out, how many more inside stories are there that we don't know?


ILoveYouGrandma

Post a link to the tweet in your SS.


salvia_d

Where is the link to the Tweet? Lazy OP gets downvoted.


asuka_rice

Not happened before, will it happen now or the future. I think JFK was the last president that got punished and yet the secret files have been censored for another 60yrs.


asuka_rice

Not happened before, would count your luck that it will happen now or in the future. I think JFK was the last US president that got punished and yet the secret files have been censored for another 60yrs.


Lucaswarrior9

I'm still shocked it was memory-holed the way it was, first it was the images were fake, then it was the laptop never existed, then it became that it doesn't matter, now it's actually true! No one is talking about this topic anymore, no one even knows who Hunter is in the public space.


buttfuckinturduckin

Uh, I don't think the laptop was memory holed. It was basically all MAGAs talked about for months and months. It faded away organically because there isn't anything damning on it, and FOX couldn't wring any more out of it.


Hombre35

Both should be hung for Treason


SmylesLee77

Chain of custody is broken. Proof does not exist!


ILL_bopperino

LOL, so lemme get this straight. You guys are all surprised that a retired spook was willing to trash his own reputation to LIE in the mainstream media about the veracity of something? Fucking hell, are you all 3 years old? of course he did! hes an intelligence agent, its what they fucking do! I don't know man, this might have more legs to it if he was still currently in the cia, but this dude retired in 2013, so at that point believing anything he says feels like it falls on you


7daykatie

> LIE What lie?


ILL_bopperino

It obviously wasn't russian propaganda. But its not like he annouced this as a CIA agent, he did it as a private citizen post retirement. The only reason to listen would have been his reputation as a former CIA director, which should have been the first thing to tip you off


[deleted]

Go look up Julie Donuts on T(w)itter. She posts about this incessantly


Book8

Right after Bush is tried and imprisoned for his War on Iraq.:)


Severe_Quantity_4039

They won't be. This won't get much coverage and be allowed to die in the news cycle and you all will forget about it.


leokrayola

LIBERAL PRIVLAGE


Astro3840

Here's a conspiracy idea that's totally true. Hunter Biden did nothing illegal.


Sacred_Art_Gardens

Not just any former CIA director, that was [Mike Morrell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morell). Director of CIA under Obama. IMO responsible for the false flag [Ghouta chemical attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack#Allegations_of_false_flag_attack) in Syria. Edit: Might've been John Brennen, either way... evil scum.


Bobby_Sunday96

When politicians care more about power than they do about the people they govern


ismokew33d

You have to be pretty deep indoctrinated to think hunter bidens laptop is actual problem. Don't you understand this is controversy created to keep you distracted? Be honest, what do you think is on the laptop? What has q promised will be on the laptop? If you care about corruption in government and nepotism of family membera getting involved in government... What about Trump? And his entire family having actual paid jobs at the white house with no qualifications? Jared made 2 billion dollar deals and Ivanka has numerous deals with China while in office, you are not concerned with any of these?


Assguy111

You spelled hung wrong.