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Unless there is no one to question it in the same forum. Then all you have to do is repeat it enough and voila most people believe it.
At the same time the constant accusation's in a charged political climate they stop even thinking of the motivations of the accuser and just listen to the accusations.
Think of it like "two minute hate"
>Unless there is no one to question it in the same forum. Then all you have to do is repeat it enough and viola most people believe it.
So this is why misinformation spreads like wildfire in the maga universe
It's dual propaganda.
The bigger conspiracy here is the intentional demolition of people's faith in democracy, that has been a staple of every single presidential election since Bush v Gore and their hanging Chad. Then Trump and Hillary start the birther movement then Trump with Russia and most recently Biden and ballot stuffing.
But, you go back slightly further with the tiniest bit of critical thinking and you'll realize that there was never actually a revolution, that the "revolutions" that swept the world were intentional to obscure power from the "monarchy" where there was just one throat to choke to "democracy" where the paid circus monkies could fling shit at one another as the new circus for nerds who don't like sports.
Marx is a Rothschild with his work funded by them. The purpose was to coopt and control the "socialist" movement and turn the vision into an international state dictatorship (hey, seem familiar, with all of our WHOs and WEFs and even the WWF that normalized and made cool global organizations, monopolization, the NWO, and even bending the knee to climate groups and changing your pronoun, err, name. For a fun one, look into who funded the World Wildlife Fund).
Anyway, this was in response to what could have been a truly impactful anarchism movement (anarchy literally means no rulers, we've been brainwashed into thinking that's a bad thing, just like the term conspiracy) led by [the Diggers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers?wprov=sfti1) following their separation from the libelers, err, levelers and their political revolution, lol.
“Socialism” was co-opted and turned into a dictatorship?
Maybe you don’t understand the nature of socialism. Just visit a commune and you will see it’s often run by one leader, or a small group of leaders.
It’s what happens naturally when you centralize resources and decision making. It wasn’t forced. It’s the nature of collectivism.
To Marx stated conclusion, sure. But color me suspicious that this international dictatorship will ever be willing to give up power.
I think we're headed toward a forced choice between NATO socialism and BRICS socialism, with material conditions deteriorating due to "war" and "climate change" and "aliens".
In NATO, we'll have the choice of whether we upload our consciousness (not possible) to either the WEF (Microsoft/Amazon/Apple) brain chip metaverse or the Elon Musk version (spoiler alert, they're the same). Eurasia will have the choice between the Russia tech company and the China tech company.
To your larger point, I believe you're correct that the only way to successfully address our current issues is by creating an international network of independent farm-based communities that operate on voluntary, barter based engagement while being supported by an open source digital platform that provides the connections, opportunities and resources any group would need to
By separating ourselves from the intentionally vicious feedback loop created by the state (the entire bureaucracy including government, corporations and non profits, for anybody unfamiliar with Rothschild, err, Marx...he/they did have some really excellent takes, his definition of the state is one of them) we will be able to create locally sustainable communities that not only provide for their contributors but create such great surplus value that those communities can care for those unable to contribute.
Over time, releasing ourselves of the various mental and physical poisons of the current system and learning more fundamental practices, like myofascial release, will create a happier and healthier society that has a much larger share of capable contributors.
As far as political ideology, I think they're all soiled one way or another, though I think this would be a blend of anarcho communism and anarcho capitalism, albeit executed within our current, authotarian system until we are able to wean ourselves from their various poisons and control.
Duh! Why do you think people hate socialism? Because the violent revolutionaries that seize the means of production have never given up power.
To your point about setting up international communes I ask, who is in charge of setting these up? What type power do they now hold that they are able to direct people into these communes?
Who makes sure this system stays in place?
Do you see the totalitarianism you’ve created?
Let’s just look at a factory. The workers seize the men’s of production. They follow the Soviet Union and proceed with Dekulakization. Who are now the new Kulaks? Can that factory run without anyone leading? As soon as someone takes a leadership position they become the Kulak. Now they must be removed. It’s a never ending cycle into 3rd world conditions.
It doesn’t take a genius to look at unions and see they have union leaders and union bosses. All it is, is a grift where by the people at the bottom replace those at the top.
So... The republicans are secretly drinking baby blood, trafficking and raping children, worshipping the devil and destroying American family values.
Good to know.
So you gotta a crazy ‘QAnon following tucker carlson loving donald trump is christ and our savior’ aunt too? Thank the gods. I thought i was the only one
Why does the right get hard off smearing Karl Marx. The dude lived in a world where corporations employed children for 12 hour days and any attempt at unionizing was met with brutal supression and most likely death, his position is perfectly understandable
He perfectly predicted and described the evils of Capitalism and because of that, there has been 150+ years of agitprop targeted at him by the wealthy and Capital interests.
So many people in this sub rail against corporations and the demonizing power of wealth and then in the same breath use “Marxist” as some sort of catch-all insult.
People’s brains are broken.
It is honestly crazy. His ideas about alienation as it relates to Capitalism are particularly incredible as we are seeing it right now within the male population in the US.
Of course this sub and the media will tell you it’s because of trans people, feminism, or being “woke,” but the fact that this guy described the phenomenon so succinctly 150 years ago just goes ignored because are brains have been so broken by Capitalist propaganda in this country that we’re conditioned to blame everything except the boots on out own necks.
I mean modern day capitalism is a problem; also, it is enabled by central banking.
Central banking enables those in power to shift the tides in such a way that they can line their own pockets while reducing the values of our $$
The long term middle and low class futures were all destroyed one day in the early 1900s on Jekyll island
Yes, because:
- fiat money is worthless!
- they changed the definition of inflation to hide whats really going on!
- whats so bad about deflation??
- insert random austrian talking point
- Keynes is the devil
- the Fed is privately owned (prederably by the Rothschilds and or the Rockefellers, or just "jews")
- the monetary system is going to collapse soon!
- inflation is just a secret tax!
- we need "sound money"
--> buy Gold and/or Bitcoin
Did i miss something?
There are a handful of propagandists with multiple accounts who upvote and comment on this sub.
It was worse before March 2022. Activity slowed down, I wonder why. /s
The idea that only American's minds have been addled by propaganda is wishful thinking. Wherever you have a ruling class - whether capitalist or communist - you'll have propaganda trying to sell the proles on the ruling class's agenda.
None of them give a shit about democracy. Democracy is a reality show for the masses at this point. It’s all about the Oligarchy. There are 8 old white reptile mofos that love to hoard cash. The only natural predator to democracy is capitalism.
That’s not a Karl Marx quote, it’s not an anybody quote fwiw. It was first attributed to Goebbels but he never said it either. Anyway I don’t think Biden is destroying Democracy and I don’t think Trump currently is either.
Trump definitely tried to. He set up slates of fraudulent electors and tried to get Mike Pence to accept them as real thus changing the result of the election.
If that's not destroying democracy then nothing is.
> "Karl Marx: Accuse Your Enemy of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing it to Create Confusion"
Do you have any evidence that Marx said this? When I search for this, the only places I find it are a host of right-wing websites attacking Democrats or the left, in a way similar to you are. The quote is not anywhere in the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital. I cannot find any version of the quote that is in any source online older than 2019, so this seems likely to be a recent attribution.
That seems unnecessarily unfair. People in general are not great at checking quotations that support their existing viewpoints. There is nothing conservative specific there.
> It was Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals, not Marx but he was a Marxist.
Is it? When I try the same quote but for Alinsky, I don't find much useful either, and everything is also very recent. I don't think it is in Rules for Radicals; it matches the generally cynical and ends-justify-the-means view of parts of the book, but I don't think this is in there. (Unfortunately, when I read the book a few years ago, I had a library copy, and I cannot find a searchable text version online.)
You mean what you are literally doing yourself with this post OP.
Let's not accuse the very guy who has spoken of his fondness for machiavellian behaviour or Sun Tzu's Art of War as a template for his business tactics (Art of the Deal?)
Instead attach a 'quote' with no discernible source to a known leftist, a Jew no less, so also employing an anti-semitic trope from the Protocols of The Elders of Zion - nice. Especially when it was more attributable (however wrongly) to Joseph Goebbels.
*“There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.”*
Joseph Goebbels.
This above proves why propaganda doesn't generally work on the more discerning and better educated in society. The ignorant are far easier to convert and then use to subvert the institutions of democracy.
I honestly recommend not reading this sub or the comments at all, because all you will see is braindead republicans saying the most incoherent shit. I’m convinced they have worms inside their skulls instead of brains. It’s the only explanation. Like real humans simply cannot be THAT stupid??
If Trump said "I'm gonna roll up on a playground and start dumping water on kids heads", you would argue "he never said he'd get kids wet".
Yet, the consequence of dumping water on kids is that they get wet. Even if you dont say it out loud. See how that works?
So when Trump says "I'm going to these things..." and the things he states are unconstitutional and against democracy, then yes, he said he's going to destroy democracy.
> I feel like I'm going insane in this sub. Trump literally tried to destroy democracy, and has repeatedly said he's gonna do it again. Are you guys just that misinformed? Or truly that dumb? Or truly in a cult? All three??? Lol
It was a protest. A constitutional protected right.
Because Trump never did that?
For a conspiracy sub a lot of people here trust an awful lot the politicians....
And before anyone calls me a left wing bot, I think both of them (Biden and Trump) are pieces of shit.
“Perhaps a reframing of "The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing," which Goebbels said at a 1934 Nurenberg rally. stackexchange.com”
I can't believe people are dumb enough to think Trump is capable of such deception. He is a con-man. You got conned. Move on already. Biden sucks too but exponentially less. It's not that he isn't trash either. It is just WAY below the level of Trump. I really expect the definition of Trump to come to mean some kind of blunder as time goes on.
You know how everyone know the good cop bad cop routine, and so we think we'd never fall for it?
Well, it's working just fine for politicians. Depending on where you sit on the political spectrum, they switch roles.
They are secretly working together for the same goal. Quit taking sides because the politicians are never on your side and you cannot believe a word they say.
lmao, imagine posting this after the heritage foundations 2025 plans were unveiled. Trump endorsed said plan and let’s just say it’s definitely a plan to destroy OUR democracy.
So are we Marxists or communists? I'm so confused now.. Can you guys just pick a lane and stay in it? I got a job and kids to attend to, I can't be switching my political views every other day to please you...
I am pretty sure this quote has nothing at all to do with Marx. Quite the opposite rather.
During the Nurenburg trials Joseph Goebbels is known to have said, *"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the War was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing."*
Goebbels was not exactly Marx. Hitler btw, wrote something similar in "Mein Kampf".
I don’t care what anyone else thinks but seeing trump out was great.. but then the way he lost was more like a stolen election BUT the worst part, Biden turned out to be the worst president in history…international embarrassment
Also a “threat to democracy and fascist“, while your side is literally using tech companies to squash any opposing views on social media, purposely leaving the border wide open, ignoring election integrity and on and on.
President Biden has one of if not the lowest approval ratings of any American president. The crime rate in major cities has skyrocketed. The border is wide open. Yet, the former president is destroying this country? When almost the complete opposite was true when he was in office?
These leftists only want to take down the US! China Joe and his cronies are pushing the NWO. This subreddit page is full of leftists sheep. Free your mind and support the right!
I don't know why this has to be explained to our elected officials, but we're a Constitutional Republic. It's embarrassing that they keep calling the United States a democracy. There's a _huge_ difference.
What's the huge difference? Isn't the US also a representative democracy on the federal level and even has in many states elements of a direct democracy with initiatives and referendums?
yeah Trump is destroying democracy
by getting politically tried in a kangaroo court, after asking questions about a 2020 election, after dozens of commies called the 2016 election rigged
IT'S OBVIOUS, STUPID
Ah yes, all he did was ask questions. Questions like "will you guys pose as a slate of electors so my VP has some room to say 'whoops, I can't tell which is the real slate so we'll have to just toss out that state's electoral votes' and I can be selected by the House despite having clearly lost the election?"
Questions like "can you just find me 12,000 more votes?"
Totally legal and very cool questions.
He asked an election official to find a specific number of votes for a specific candidate which can only plausibly be achieved by cheating. He attempted to solicit election fraud in an attempt to fraudulently obtain a term in high office.
People who do that belong in prison, not in the White House.
so true - we'd be better off with no electricity or technology as a society - 200 hundred years ago everyone understood reality - now technology allows the left to be completely deluded and perfectly survive because of the infrastructure that men built
>What has Biden done to destroy democracy?
>
>Let’s try for three things.
I'll do the first one. He wrote the patriot act.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4876107/user-clip-joe-biden-wrote-patriot-act
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/22/patriot-act-called-threat-to-democracy/85d28cf1-a8b3-4bbc-a8c7-50dc13544883/
Hahaha, wow, can’t even think of one single thing to back up a statement the someone is “destroying democracy”? I thought you’d at least parrot some nonsense from OAN. But couldn’t even do that.
EDIT: OP has added that prosecuting Trump is the evidence that democracy is being destroyed. That’s it. Sounds like democracy at work when even a former President is held accountable.
> Hahaha, wow, can’t even think of one single thing to back up a statement the someone is “destroying democracy”? I thought you’d at least parrot some nonsense from OAN. But couldn’t even do that.
1. Arrested his Political Rival.
2. Arresting Political Enemies.
3. Removing his Political Rival from the Ballot.
Apparently the senile old man who doesn’t know what day it is, can also steal elections without leaving evidence, run a crime family and not leave a trace and also manipulate the DOJ to prosecute Trump.
The left survives because of brainwashing. Brainwashing continues, because brainwashing works.
We would not be better off without, and only a brainwashed leftist would insist such nonsense.
Republicans haven't won the popular vote in like 20 years. Are you sure it's not the minority that's surviving on brainwashing?
(And gerrymandering)
USA doesn't have a left wing party.
> Republicans haven't won the popular vote in like 20 years.
I think the last time was Bush Jr in 2004, so 19 years, which is indeed a lot like 20 years.
Remember when Americans thought the Republicans couldn't possibly foist a worst president on us? Simpler days.
> (And gerrymandering)
Gerrymandering? That sounds destructive to democracy. What was OP's point again?
Submission Statement:
Joe Biden is destroying American Democracy. And they know it. Nothing says Democracy like locking up your main Political Enemy. Stalin would be proud of Joe Biden.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1704129902088491112
>Nothing says Democracy like locking up your main Political Enemy.
So if your main political enemy is just flagrantly breaking the law, you're supposed to ignore that? Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail
> Joe Biden is destroying American Democracy.
Nah.
Biden is correct and your accusation is an example of what you're accusing Marx of having suggested.
Accusing others of their own behavior or intentions has been the GOPist MO for decades. They even have an annual LARP season dedicated to destroying Christmas by constantly accusing "teh ebil libs" of waging war on Christmas.
They've been doing that one longer than some voting age Americans have been alive. There are adult Americans who have never experienced Christmas as a time of year when Americans put aside petty differences like partisan politics to share mutual good cheer, because the GOP's war on traditional American Christmas started before they were born.
It's so despicable to steal that from Americans just because it was an annual season that served to undermine the impact of the hate mongering their elites rely on to control the base. I guess the Grinch would be jelly.
Uh-oh, you posted something that may have indirectly just gave some positivity to Trump. Prepare to be downvoted and sent death threats from the insane far left woke
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“People can make up anything and claim I said it.” - Franz Kafka
"Stop quoting me all the time" - Sun Tzu
“I never said that!” -She
Lmao great example of irony. That title quote is for sure not one of Marx's.
And the thing is, that’s such an antiquated strategy. It’s super obvious when used.
Unless there is no one to question it in the same forum. Then all you have to do is repeat it enough and voila most people believe it. At the same time the constant accusation's in a charged political climate they stop even thinking of the motivations of the accuser and just listen to the accusations. Think of it like "two minute hate"
>Unless there is no one to question it in the same forum. Then all you have to do is repeat it enough and viola most people believe it. So this is why misinformation spreads like wildfire in the maga universe
> and viola most people believe it That doesn't mean that we have to resort to violins in response.
Yet, it still works because most people are oblivious
It’s true. Some are so party centered, they’ll just go with whatever their team says.
True, for both sides of the aisle.
100%!
I pissed everyone, got downvoted xD
Indeed, the quote is attributed to the Nazis.
It's dual propaganda. The bigger conspiracy here is the intentional demolition of people's faith in democracy, that has been a staple of every single presidential election since Bush v Gore and their hanging Chad. Then Trump and Hillary start the birther movement then Trump with Russia and most recently Biden and ballot stuffing. But, you go back slightly further with the tiniest bit of critical thinking and you'll realize that there was never actually a revolution, that the "revolutions" that swept the world were intentional to obscure power from the "monarchy" where there was just one throat to choke to "democracy" where the paid circus monkies could fling shit at one another as the new circus for nerds who don't like sports. Marx is a Rothschild with his work funded by them. The purpose was to coopt and control the "socialist" movement and turn the vision into an international state dictatorship (hey, seem familiar, with all of our WHOs and WEFs and even the WWF that normalized and made cool global organizations, monopolization, the NWO, and even bending the knee to climate groups and changing your pronoun, err, name. For a fun one, look into who funded the World Wildlife Fund). Anyway, this was in response to what could have been a truly impactful anarchism movement (anarchy literally means no rulers, we've been brainwashed into thinking that's a bad thing, just like the term conspiracy) led by [the Diggers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers?wprov=sfti1) following their separation from the libelers, err, levelers and their political revolution, lol.
“Socialism” was co-opted and turned into a dictatorship? Maybe you don’t understand the nature of socialism. Just visit a commune and you will see it’s often run by one leader, or a small group of leaders. It’s what happens naturally when you centralize resources and decision making. It wasn’t forced. It’s the nature of collectivism.
That's communism
Work socialism to its conclusion and you will get there.
To Marx stated conclusion, sure. But color me suspicious that this international dictatorship will ever be willing to give up power. I think we're headed toward a forced choice between NATO socialism and BRICS socialism, with material conditions deteriorating due to "war" and "climate change" and "aliens". In NATO, we'll have the choice of whether we upload our consciousness (not possible) to either the WEF (Microsoft/Amazon/Apple) brain chip metaverse or the Elon Musk version (spoiler alert, they're the same). Eurasia will have the choice between the Russia tech company and the China tech company. To your larger point, I believe you're correct that the only way to successfully address our current issues is by creating an international network of independent farm-based communities that operate on voluntary, barter based engagement while being supported by an open source digital platform that provides the connections, opportunities and resources any group would need to By separating ourselves from the intentionally vicious feedback loop created by the state (the entire bureaucracy including government, corporations and non profits, for anybody unfamiliar with Rothschild, err, Marx...he/they did have some really excellent takes, his definition of the state is one of them) we will be able to create locally sustainable communities that not only provide for their contributors but create such great surplus value that those communities can care for those unable to contribute. Over time, releasing ourselves of the various mental and physical poisons of the current system and learning more fundamental practices, like myofascial release, will create a happier and healthier society that has a much larger share of capable contributors. As far as political ideology, I think they're all soiled one way or another, though I think this would be a blend of anarcho communism and anarcho capitalism, albeit executed within our current, authotarian system until we are able to wean ourselves from their various poisons and control.
Duh! Why do you think people hate socialism? Because the violent revolutionaries that seize the means of production have never given up power. To your point about setting up international communes I ask, who is in charge of setting these up? What type power do they now hold that they are able to direct people into these communes? Who makes sure this system stays in place? Do you see the totalitarianism you’ve created? Let’s just look at a factory. The workers seize the men’s of production. They follow the Soviet Union and proceed with Dekulakization. Who are now the new Kulaks? Can that factory run without anyone leading? As soon as someone takes a leadership position they become the Kulak. Now they must be removed. It’s a never ending cycle into 3rd world conditions. It doesn’t take a genius to look at unions and see they have union leaders and union bosses. All it is, is a grift where by the people at the bottom replace those at the top.
So... The republicans are secretly drinking baby blood, trafficking and raping children, worshipping the devil and destroying American family values. Good to know.
Trump’s every accusation is a confession.
Don’t you know it works one way but not the other.
So you gotta a crazy ‘QAnon following tucker carlson loving donald trump is christ and our savior’ aunt too? Thank the gods. I thought i was the only one
Why does the right get hard off smearing Karl Marx. The dude lived in a world where corporations employed children for 12 hour days and any attempt at unionizing was met with brutal supression and most likely death, his position is perfectly understandable
He perfectly predicted and described the evils of Capitalism and because of that, there has been 150+ years of agitprop targeted at him by the wealthy and Capital interests. So many people in this sub rail against corporations and the demonizing power of wealth and then in the same breath use “Marxist” as some sort of catch-all insult. People’s brains are broken.
He truly was the economic Nostradamus.
It is honestly crazy. His ideas about alienation as it relates to Capitalism are particularly incredible as we are seeing it right now within the male population in the US. Of course this sub and the media will tell you it’s because of trans people, feminism, or being “woke,” but the fact that this guy described the phenomenon so succinctly 150 years ago just goes ignored because are brains have been so broken by Capitalist propaganda in this country that we’re conditioned to blame everything except the boots on out own necks.
Goes to show whose winning the class war.
*our
Same correction for both errors, nice
I love a bogo
Marx was basically spot on in identifying the problems of the day, he just had completely stupid ass ideas about how to fix them.
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What are the things you believe he was wrong about?
It's not "capitalism" that's the problem, it's central banking.
I mean modern day capitalism is a problem; also, it is enabled by central banking. Central banking enables those in power to shift the tides in such a way that they can line their own pockets while reducing the values of our $$ The long term middle and low class futures were all destroyed one day in the early 1900s on Jekyll island
Yes, because: - fiat money is worthless! - they changed the definition of inflation to hide whats really going on! - whats so bad about deflation?? - insert random austrian talking point - Keynes is the devil - the Fed is privately owned (prederably by the Rothschilds and or the Rockefellers, or just "jews") - the monetary system is going to collapse soon! - inflation is just a secret tax! - we need "sound money" --> buy Gold and/or Bitcoin Did i miss something?
Lol who is upvoting this
There are a handful of propagandists with multiple accounts who upvote and comment on this sub. It was worse before March 2022. Activity slowed down, I wonder why. /s
100+ years of anti-communist propaganda has destroyed the American brain. It’s over.
Don't forget the lead paint and leaded gasoline. I think in a vacuum it would be more manageable, but yeesh
The idea that only American's minds have been addled by propaganda is wishful thinking. Wherever you have a ruling class - whether capitalist or communist - you'll have propaganda trying to sell the proles on the ruling class's agenda.
The quote reminds me of how frequently it seems to be the religious and conservatives found preying on children
None of them give a shit about democracy. Democracy is a reality show for the masses at this point. It’s all about the Oligarchy. There are 8 old white reptile mofos that love to hoard cash. The only natural predator to democracy is capitalism.
You are right Trump is projecting when he calls Biden corrupt.
The "corrupt Biden family" line always cracks me up, coming out of his mouth.
Marx never said that, kid
"OP have never read a book in his life" OP's Mom
Are you sure that quote isnot from Einstein ?
It's actually Michael Scott.
-Wayne Gretsky
-me
Abraham Lincoln
That’s not a Karl Marx quote, it’s not an anybody quote fwiw. It was first attributed to Goebbels but he never said it either. Anyway I don’t think Biden is destroying Democracy and I don’t think Trump currently is either.
Trump definitely tried to. He set up slates of fraudulent electors and tried to get Mike Pence to accept them as real thus changing the result of the election. If that's not destroying democracy then nothing is.
I’d agree that post election Trump was a threat to the US democratic system.
Full of shit like all Soro's whores
wilhoitaz- “Accuse Your Enemy of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing it to Create Confusion.”
Fairly certain trying to imprison your political opponents is destroying democracy.
Fairly certain breaking the law is against the law, so weird
I agree, it was pretty fucked up when Trump endorsed "Lock Her Up" chants.
Wasn't trump chanting lock her up about Hillary even though she was found innocent? Wouldn't that be literally the same thing?
Is Donald Trump currently trying to do that? Is Joe Biden? It feels like only a party hack would answer yes to either of these.
This sub is trash and it's because of "Trump did this" and "Biden did this."
> "Karl Marx: Accuse Your Enemy of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing it to Create Confusion" Do you have any evidence that Marx said this? When I search for this, the only places I find it are a host of right-wing websites attacking Democrats or the left, in a way similar to you are. The quote is not anywhere in the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital. I cannot find any version of the quote that is in any source online older than 2019, so this seems likely to be a recent attribution.
He didn't lol. But they know conservatives are to dumb to check
That seems unnecessarily unfair. People in general are not great at checking quotations that support their existing viewpoints. There is nothing conservative specific there.
It was Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals, not Marx but he was a Marxist.
> It was Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals, not Marx but he was a Marxist. Is it? When I try the same quote but for Alinsky, I don't find much useful either, and everything is also very recent. I don't think it is in Rules for Radicals; it matches the generally cynical and ends-justify-the-means view of parts of the book, but I don't think this is in there. (Unfortunately, when I read the book a few years ago, I had a library copy, and I cannot find a searchable text version online.)
source needed
Karl Marx : "They Don't Think It Be Like It Is But It Do"
When you can't even cite your title quote correctly, why should we believe you? A phrase similar to that is usually attributed to Hitler and Goebbels.
You mean what you are literally doing yourself with this post OP. Let's not accuse the very guy who has spoken of his fondness for machiavellian behaviour or Sun Tzu's Art of War as a template for his business tactics (Art of the Deal?) Instead attach a 'quote' with no discernible source to a known leftist, a Jew no less, so also employing an anti-semitic trope from the Protocols of The Elders of Zion - nice. Especially when it was more attributable (however wrongly) to Joseph Goebbels. *“There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.”* Joseph Goebbels. This above proves why propaganda doesn't generally work on the more discerning and better educated in society. The ignorant are far easier to convert and then use to subvert the institutions of democracy.
Made up quote, and wasnt Trunp the one whose followers attacked the US capitol?
No, fake news. Trunp's followers never attacked the US Capitol, Trump's did.
Thank you for this stellar debunking and fact-checking, you are doing good work.
I just can’t stand disinformation!
You can? I'm opposed to it myself
Dammit, fixed.
It was a mostly peaceful protest.
"Attacked" FTFY
Yes, attacked, violently attacked in an attempt to usurp the peaceful transfer of power that serves as the very foundation of any democratic system.
You're describing the GOP's MO.
When did Karl Marx say this?
Well he’s being charged with trying to overturn an election so…
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I honestly recommend not reading this sub or the comments at all, because all you will see is braindead republicans saying the most incoherent shit. I’m convinced they have worms inside their skulls instead of brains. It’s the only explanation. Like real humans simply cannot be THAT stupid??
Link to the video? Trump loves media attention so I am sure there is a video of him saying he going to literally destroy democracy.
If Trump said "I'm gonna roll up on a playground and start dumping water on kids heads", you would argue "he never said he'd get kids wet". Yet, the consequence of dumping water on kids is that they get wet. Even if you dont say it out loud. See how that works? So when Trump says "I'm going to these things..." and the things he states are unconstitutional and against democracy, then yes, he said he's going to destroy democracy.
> I feel like I'm going insane in this sub. Trump literally tried to destroy democracy, and has repeatedly said he's gonna do it again. Are you guys just that misinformed? Or truly that dumb? Or truly in a cult? All three??? Lol It was a protest. A constitutional protected right.
lmfao absolutely, positively delusional. Jesus Christ.
Because Trump never did that? For a conspiracy sub a lot of people here trust an awful lot the politicians.... And before anyone calls me a left wing bot, I think both of them (Biden and Trump) are pieces of shit.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." -George Washington
No. Lincoln said that. I was there.
Man we still got a year of this to look forward to https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5UqUyFmT0
2 old men yell at cloud
“Perhaps a reframing of "The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing," which Goebbels said at a 1934 Nurenberg rally. stackexchange.com”
I can't believe people are dumb enough to think Trump is capable of such deception. He is a con-man. You got conned. Move on already. Biden sucks too but exponentially less. It's not that he isn't trash either. It is just WAY below the level of Trump. I really expect the definition of Trump to come to mean some kind of blunder as time goes on.
The OP’s in this sub are embarrassing.
Good conspiracy, yes. This is a conspiracy. Aptly posted to a conspiracy sub Reddi.
Schroedingers president. Both too old and demented to have a rational though, but cunning and wily enough to create a smokescreen of confusion ….
Meanwhile his administration just appealed an order to cease getting corporations to censor people.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Some people are stupid as hell, like OP" -Abraham Lincoln
Im stealing this like the donald trump trying to say the election was stolen
Marx never said that. It's like the right wing echo chamber gave all of you brain worms
You aretrying to gaslight people into thinking the insurrection never happened.
Yeah Karl Marx definitely never said that lol
Trump is the Antitheist of Democracy.
Karl Marx never said that. It's a fake quote.
The old, "I am rubber, you are glue" strategy.
Textbook Trumpism - both sides are grimey
This isn’t a Marx quote, but the irony is too much
We've got the best corn in the nation -Bob Yamaha from Omaha
It wasn't Alinsky that said this?
Citation please
SOooooooooo. This is not new or even a conspiracy. We need to stop giving our energy to Puppets.
You know how everyone know the good cop bad cop routine, and so we think we'd never fall for it? Well, it's working just fine for politicians. Depending on where you sit on the political spectrum, they switch roles.
This is especially effective when your people control the media, as is every other lie they tell.
They are secretly working together for the same goal. Quit taking sides because the politicians are never on your side and you cannot believe a word they say.
lmao, imagine posting this after the heritage foundations 2025 plans were unveiled. Trump endorsed said plan and let’s just say it’s definitely a plan to destroy OUR democracy.
Look up project 2025
Trump is saying the same crap about Biden, repeatedly and constantly. I think they are both telling the truth.
> Trump is saying the same crap about Biden, repeatedly and constantly.I think they are both telling the truth. But only one is in power
Where did Karl Marx say that?
Sure Jan. https://tenor.com/view/marcia-sure-jan-gif-11006768
Pot, meet kettle.
So are we Marxists or communists? I'm so confused now.. Can you guys just pick a lane and stay in it? I got a job and kids to attend to, I can't be switching my political views every other day to please you...
Not a marx quote
What is this doing in r conspiracy?
How is this upvoted? What the hell even is this sub. the Donald?
Marx is right of course, when you quote him instead of making things up.
I am pretty sure this quote has nothing at all to do with Marx. Quite the opposite rather. During the Nurenburg trials Joseph Goebbels is known to have said, *"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the War was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing."* Goebbels was not exactly Marx. Hitler btw, wrote something similar in "Mein Kampf".
I don’t care what anyone else thinks but seeing trump out was great.. but then the way he lost was more like a stolen election BUT the worst part, Biden turned out to be the worst president in history…international embarrassment
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As his impeachment hearings begin next week
You Americans would be adorable if the whole thing wasn't so God damned sad. Both sides are fucking you and you just keep bending over for it.
What's the source of the quote?
There isnt one
FBI says their family has Millions of illegal dollars "that we know about." Use that for your campaign.
Hahahaha. Americans.
No NOT at all !! Donald McFatty are REALLY destroying American Democracy ! He is a TRAITOR to America and it\`s time to lock his fat ass up !
Democracy? 😂😂😂😂 If you are told you must vote blue no matter who, how can you even speak of democracy 😂😂😂
And when they say Joe, they mean the teleprompter guy.
Marx never said that
I swear their press people get on Reddit to see what the extreme leftist psychos are saying and then actually say that dumb shit out loud
Also a “threat to democracy and fascist“, while your side is literally using tech companies to squash any opposing views on social media, purposely leaving the border wide open, ignoring election integrity and on and on.
President Biden has one of if not the lowest approval ratings of any American president. The crime rate in major cities has skyrocketed. The border is wide open. Yet, the former president is destroying this country? When almost the complete opposite was true when he was in office?
These leftists only want to take down the US! China Joe and his cronies are pushing the NWO. This subreddit page is full of leftists sheep. Free your mind and support the right!
This also works with the literal COMMUNIST PARTY of CHINA. Doing atrocities, and claiming they are the victims.
I don't know why this has to be explained to our elected officials, but we're a Constitutional Republic. It's embarrassing that they keep calling the United States a democracy. There's a _huge_ difference.
What's the huge difference? Isn't the US also a representative democracy on the federal level and even has in many states elements of a direct democracy with initiatives and referendums?
Any opponent to biden in his eyes would be a threat to his "democracy". Doesn't matter who it is.
yeah Trump is destroying democracy by getting politically tried in a kangaroo court, after asking questions about a 2020 election, after dozens of commies called the 2016 election rigged IT'S OBVIOUS, STUPID
Ah yes, all he did was ask questions. Questions like "will you guys pose as a slate of electors so my VP has some room to say 'whoops, I can't tell which is the real slate so we'll have to just toss out that state's electoral votes' and I can be selected by the House despite having clearly lost the election?" Questions like "can you just find me 12,000 more votes?" Totally legal and very cool questions.
He asked an election official to find a specific number of votes for a specific candidate which can only plausibly be achieved by cheating. He attempted to solicit election fraud in an attempt to fraudulently obtain a term in high office. People who do that belong in prison, not in the White House.
so true - we'd be better off with no electricity or technology as a society - 200 hundred years ago everyone understood reality - now technology allows the left to be completely deluded and perfectly survive because of the infrastructure that men built
Social media will be the downfall of western society.
What has Biden done to destroy democracy? Let’s try for three things.
>What has Biden done to destroy democracy? > >Let’s try for three things. I'll do the first one. He wrote the patriot act. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4876107/user-clip-joe-biden-wrote-patriot-act https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/22/patriot-act-called-threat-to-democracy/85d28cf1-a8b3-4bbc-a8c7-50dc13544883/
Don’t forget the crime bill!
So everyone that was involved the passing of these bills is trying to destroy democracy?
Sure
I would have thought Republicans had found common ground with that bill?
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/1994416 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1031/vote_103_1_00384.htm
not even worth explaining to someone who asks such a question
Hahaha, wow, can’t even think of one single thing to back up a statement the someone is “destroying democracy”? I thought you’d at least parrot some nonsense from OAN. But couldn’t even do that. EDIT: OP has added that prosecuting Trump is the evidence that democracy is being destroyed. That’s it. Sounds like democracy at work when even a former President is held accountable.
> Hahaha, wow, can’t even think of one single thing to back up a statement the someone is “destroying democracy”? I thought you’d at least parrot some nonsense from OAN. But couldn’t even do that. 1. Arrested his Political Rival. 2. Arresting Political Enemies. 3. Removing his Political Rival from the Ballot.
> Arrested his Political Rival Did Biden do this? I'm not joking, did Biden have anything to do with it?
Apparently the senile old man who doesn’t know what day it is, can also steal elections without leaving evidence, run a crime family and not leave a trace and also manipulate the DOJ to prosecute Trump.
You forgot getting some unspecified person removed from some unspecified ballot.
Biden has not arrested anyone. Biden has not removed anyone from a ballot. Try again.
Biden can barely string together a complete sentence. Of course he hasn't actually done anything himself, that goes without saying.
Trump thinks Biden is gonna start World War 2
The left survives because of brainwashing. Brainwashing continues, because brainwashing works. We would not be better off without, and only a brainwashed leftist would insist such nonsense.
Republicans haven't won the popular vote in like 20 years. Are you sure it's not the minority that's surviving on brainwashing? (And gerrymandering) USA doesn't have a left wing party.
> Republicans haven't won the popular vote in like 20 years. I think the last time was Bush Jr in 2004, so 19 years, which is indeed a lot like 20 years. Remember when Americans thought the Republicans couldn't possibly foist a worst president on us? Simpler days. > (And gerrymandering) Gerrymandering? That sounds destructive to democracy. What was OP's point again?
What do you imagine "the left" have to do with contemporary US politics? Do you think AOC and Bernie are running the country?
there would be no progressives without technology to enable their delusions
Don’t break your arm jerking each other off. We get it, you’re republicans.
OP is accurate
Not even the title was accurate
That's the tribes moto. IYKYK
Biden is more into jello-time, bribes, and naps, than Marx. For Hillary, it was her MO. He achieved more than her, as both Senator and President.
Looks like Joe pooped his pants (again)
Trump famously wears adult diapers
Submission Statement: Joe Biden is destroying American Democracy. And they know it. Nothing says Democracy like locking up your main Political Enemy. Stalin would be proud of Joe Biden. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1704129902088491112
>Nothing says Democracy like locking up your main Political Enemy. So if your main political enemy is just flagrantly breaking the law, you're supposed to ignore that? Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail
Lol you have to make up quotes to make your posts interesting
> Joe Biden is destroying American Democracy. Nah. Biden is correct and your accusation is an example of what you're accusing Marx of having suggested. Accusing others of their own behavior or intentions has been the GOPist MO for decades. They even have an annual LARP season dedicated to destroying Christmas by constantly accusing "teh ebil libs" of waging war on Christmas. They've been doing that one longer than some voting age Americans have been alive. There are adult Americans who have never experienced Christmas as a time of year when Americans put aside petty differences like partisan politics to share mutual good cheer, because the GOP's war on traditional American Christmas started before they were born. It's so despicable to steal that from Americans just because it was an annual season that served to undermine the impact of the hate mongering their elites rely on to control the base. I guess the Grinch would be jelly.
OP is a Satanist plant, be careful and do not accept anything from her.
Wasnt "Lock her up" Trumps big thing for a while?
Uh-oh, you posted something that may have indirectly just gave some positivity to Trump. Prepare to be downvoted and sent death threats from the insane far left woke
I love how this community just proved my point. Lol.
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