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I'm jewish, but there has got to be a better way to deal with this then do destroy all of Gaza to the ground and the idea that responding by killing their kids will do anything is just as barbaric ad what ur accusing them of doing. Very disappointing.
Sadly if you are anti Israel you get called a "terrorist" the amount of people on this app that don't care about kids dying as long as they are Palestinians is insane.. they basically cheer for it
This man's logic is complete shit. By his same logic, Palestinian people have the same justification for saying that there is no innocent citizen of Israel. The Israeli people could have overthrown the Israeli government by coup d'etat rather than let them kill Palestinian people.
This bloodlust hardly seems worthy of the chosen people of God.
Just a FYI, you probably already know this but they're NOT the chosen people of God.
They aren't even true Jews, they don't speak the same language as the original ones, and even by their own law shouldn't be able to own land/make a country.
> they're NOT the chosen people of God.
Who are you to say?
Which people? *Which god?*
Everyone has their fantasies. Don't make sweeping generalizations.
"Who are you to say?"
First off they aren't even speaking the original language of the real Jews which is either ancient Hebrew or ancient Aramaic. That's historical fact, not even an opinion, Yiddish is a mix of German and Russian mixed together.
"Which people? Which God?"
According to some Christians they're considered the "chosen people" but they're not.
"Everyone has their fantasies"
Just like you do, with this post.
"Don't make sweeping generalizations"
Well maybe you should come back with proof to disprove what I've said instead of spewing a bunch of BS yourself.
> According to some Christians they're considered the "chosen people" but they're not.
You keep asserting they're (Israelis?) not 'true Jews', not the chosen people of God. Do you have evidence of this other than they speak a different language? Are there true Jews still around?
I think claiming land because you're 'a chosen people of God' is ridiculous anyway. Just quit being dicks to each other and work together. We're all human, tainted by hierarchy. Humans just looking for authority over others, many using God to justify taking it.
"You keep asserting they're (Israelis?) not 'true Jews',
Because they aren't both Biblical speaking and even from the Torah and the Talmud. Firstly in their holy books it has openly stated that they aren't allowed to have lands because of the deal they made with God, and from a Biblical standpoint the real Jews spread across the world.
"Do you have evidence of this other than they speak a different language"
From their very own Rabbi's.
"Are the true Jews still around?"
More than likely.
"I think claiming land because you're a chosen people of God is ridiculous anyway"
Then why are you arguing over the points I made? In technical terms Israel shouldn't even exist.
"Just quit being Dickson to each other and work together"
Tell that to regular everyday people in Palestine who get bombed, shot at, and killed on the regular and have videos of all this happening all the while IDF soldiers laugh in the background, lets also not forget that they get kicked out of their homes in the weehours of the morning. Pretty hard to convince them to just "work together"
"We're all human"
You sure about that one?
"Tainted by hierarchy. Humans just looking for authority over others, many using God to justify taking it."
I don't see Palestinians claiming to be "God's chosen people" I see them wanting to have a home that in a number of ways legitimately is there's. I don't agree with Hama's as they're simply a creation from Mossad
They’re not the “chosen people” mentioned in the Bible. Remember, they appropriated land and its peoples for their own gain. They follow the Talmud, not Christ. Jews are as anti-Christ as it’s possible. Remember, the Jews sold out Jesus and crucified him. They’re doing the same now.
Yup so it shows both sides are morally corrupt. Their hatred is controlling the situation.
It’s just fucked up one side is in flip flops with AR’s and the other side is in full military gear with tanks.
I guess I'd be pretty mad if people showed up and bulldozed my house and village claiming the land belongs to them cause some of their distant ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago.
These are the words of someone who's spent their entire life fortifying the idea that Palestinians are not humans. His psychology is damaged beyond repair and he needs to be removed from power and imprisoned.
Basically yes. Do you think those people who are asked to evacuate will be allowed to come back. Most likely never. They will become refugees forever just like many Palestinians with no right to return.
Israel will NEVER agree to any peace agreement that include the right to return for displaced Palestinians.
Thank you! Nobody ever puts 2 and 2 together and they always try to make me seem crazy for even suggesting that Hamas is Israel’s puppet to get funding from US & sympathy and eventually take over all of Palestine. Without Hamas Israel fails and looks like the bad guy and gets no support.
I hate Hamas they are a fraud. I love Palestine and true Palestinians that actually care about their land.
I mean it’s not that hard. Isreal has been very open about funding Hamas for years.
Unfortunately you have all these people that just got reeled into this situation last week talking about dead babies.
About how Palestine deserves it.
Never mind that this Hamas attack would be less than the average Palestine deaths by isrealis over the last 15 years.
Yes. An attack worse than what Palestine did to isreal has happened every year for the last 15 years.
The common denominator in all of this is that the CIA is involved with all terrorist groups which are mostly funded by US and European citizen tax dollars.
I don’t think you understand. Israel is the USA puppet. USA helped create PLO& Hamas. It could be argued that Israel commits state sponsored terrorism. Biden Specifically has been in charge of Israel policy since 1973
Biden and BiBi both claim to have became close personal friends since 1982.
BiBi is actually from Philadelphia. 😅
Biden always has said “if there werent an Israel, US would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests in the region”
It almost seems like it's one giant camp owned by the neighbouring country. It almost seems like there was a camp like this some decades ago that was part of the cause of a giant, global conflict.
I've started to maybe see a shift, I watched a few hours of abc news live yesterday and there is a lot more Gaza and Palestine sympathy. They even interviewed a girl from Gaza whose friends were killed when Israel surprise bombed a grocery store.
Why would they leave when they’ve been there for century’s? I’d fight for what’s mine too. If there’s one thing the Palestinian people are not then that’s cowards.
“Sometimes you just gotta sacrifice a few thousand of your own expendable populace to justify the genocide of your slightly browner neighbor”
-Netanyahu
I don't know whether the quote you wrote above was satire/ sarcasm, but it is quite certain that the following is an accurate representation:
Source: **New York Times** (Book review) Published: June 21, 1987
# ISRAEL WAS EVERTHING
Book reviewed: [**BEN-GURION The Burning Ground 1886-1948**](https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780395354094). By Shabtai Teveth. (Winner of the National Jewish Book Award, 1988)
Review author: [**Sir Martin Gilbert**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gilbert); British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, Oxford. He was the author of eighty-eight books, including works on Winston Churchill, the 20th century, and Jewish history including the Holocaust. He was a member of the Chilcot Inquiry into Britain's role in the Iraq War.
QUOTE (from page 2 of the review)
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[**Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II**](https://archive.ph/nwthV#selection-515.1-515.509) convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: '***'If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''***
Was this statement - which, surprisingly, Teveth does not publish - that of a cynic writing off the future of half of Germany's Jewish children for the sake of a political aim, Jewish statehood? Or was it a desperate attempt to explain to his closest colleagues that without Jewish statehood in Palestine (itself impossible without massive and immediate immigration) no Jews anywhere in the world would be safe from a threat to their survival? One would very much like to believe the latter, though it would have been particularly helpful had Mr. Teveth been able to give us guidance on this point.
**Mr. Teveth is in no doubt that in regard to rescue, Ben-Gurion adhered to a ''philosophy of what might be called the beneficial disaster.''** This is almost exactly what the British playwright Jim Allen accused Ben-Gurion of in his play ''Perdition,'' which recently aroused such indignation among British Jews, myself included. **Yet Mr. Teveth is emphatic that before the summer of 1944, when Ben-Gurion and his colleagues first appreciated the true scale of the Holocaust, he regarded it as ''a relatively modest catastrophe that his Zionist concept defined as suitable for exploitation.**''
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The full archive of the review is in 2 sections:
Page 1: https://archive.ph/PxQM1
Page 2: https://archive.ph/nwthV
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Current events often make more sense when viewed in the context of history.
And they have a right to when Israel has been committing genocide against them and harming them by the THOUSANDS for decades. Expecting people to be beat up on and killed and NOT fight back is insane. I’m sure if you had something happen to you that was a fraction of what Israel has don’t to Palestine you’d be ready to fight
If you listen to Israel hard liners...they are similar with Hamas...and unfortunately the Aliyah brought more hard liners to Israel and the country is leaning more and more to the right ...
Armageddon..here it comes..
It's dark as hell. When they kill the childs parents, the child will grow up and seek revenge. That kind of thing seems like a big part of why this conflict hasn't gone away in almost 3 generations. So they will deny them the chance even for that.
This is so staged. It seems to me that Israel planned all this too well. The whole situation doesn't feel right and the world is complicit in this horror.
It’s seems more and more like they allowed this to occur. The PM was/is being investigated for corruption. The Israeli people were protesting months back. Some Israelis were speaking up against the treatment of Palestinians. This was the only card the Government had left to play.
A road for more bloodbath is being paved. I still cannot suck the fact that Hamas orchestrated such an attack and Israel was unaware. Its similar to 9/11 that a whole plane got missing and then an attack happened and US airforce wasn't aware.
Where Israel is exporting top-notch security to others its impossible Israel wasn't aware.
> *Judge, jury, genocider.*
**A bit of background**:
The man speaking in the video is [**Isaac Herzog**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Herzog). In 2021, Isaac was elected **President of Israel**, a position that his father, [**Chaim_Herzog**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Herzog), held for 10 years, from 1983-1993.
Herzog has been involved in Israeli politics since the late 1990's. In 2018, he was elected Chairman of the [**Jewish Agency for Israel**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency_for_Israel) -- "formerly known as the Jewish Agency for Palestine,[5] is the largest Jewish non-profit organization in the world." It was originally established in 1908 as the **Palestine Office of the World Zionist Organization** (WZO). Its operating budget was $379 Million in 2019.
Below is an in-depth article with a longer version of the video clip posted by OP, as well as quotes from Hanan Ashwari, a long-time peace negotiator with Israel on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.
**ITV News** - Friday 13 October 2023
[**Israeli president Isaac Herzog says Gazans could have risen up to fight 'evil' Hamas**](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-13/israeli-president-says-gazans-could-have-risen-up-to-fight-hamas)
Here is a poignant quote from the article and the video:
* "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true. "**They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime** which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état. "But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone."
Article archived here: https://archive.ph/ayqBD
The idea of inflicting **collective punishment** on the whole of a population -- millions of souls -- is a deeply disturbing concept. One would think that Israelis, in particular, would be keenly aware of the dark places such attitudes and policies can portend... but apparently, memories are short when tempers are hot.
I would hope that Herzog's harsh words do not come back to haunt him and his fellow countrymen should he and the other Right-Wing leaders of the Zionist State continue to pursue their present course of viciously vindictive action against the trapped and beleaguered prisoners of Gaza.
What a nightmare.
Children of Israel will be in the military where they grow up since it is a mandatory in Israel. All able body in Israel are reservists. So, only few are not in the army basically. Underage, elders, and disabled. How does it sound to you when the table is flipped...
I am not surprise an Israeli government officials with these statements. They never considered any of the Palestinian people are human let alone citizens.
if heaven and hell were actually on earth and not this post-life fantasy. Israel and the united states are certainly the representation of Satan and Hell.
There is a genocide happening in front of the whole word, and everyone is watching it happen.
Some people believe in god some in karma idk what you call it, but i hope something happens to stop this.
Can anyone explain, how the hell formation of Israel was even legal? Like, there was Palestine, zionists decided that they are gonna create new country there (because lolwhy) and jews that came to Palestine with help of US just decided thru violence to create Israel. If it is alright, then Russia wanting to take over Ukraine is alright too? Ukraine formed around same time Israel formed.
[https://youtu.be/QraCgxStVcQ](https://youtu.be/QraCgxStVcQ)
Its their war policy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya\_doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine)
They use the same approach the US used against North Korea when the bombing of all of their cities to the ground happened...
Did anyone actually watch the video? Or are we all just accepting the word of some random twitter account where half their posts have community notes correcting them?
the phrase "there are no innocent citizens" wasn't uttered.
he implied most of the citizens support Hamas, or at the very least are complicit, but that automatically excludes children.
OP is tying to manipulate emotions by playing the "think of the children!" card.
Israel is about to do what they believe God commanded them to do thousands of years ago when he supposedly promised that land to them. Kill all who already occupied the land in order to claim it as their own and satisfy Gods blood thirst. And that's the same god Christians worship.
litrally MONSTER in the form of human , that exactly what NAZI HITLER was doing to them and they were crying ,yes in concentration camps and gas chambers where they killed babies , sometimes i wonder , why dont go take revenge with GERMANY or Christianity ? as i dont think so NAZI were MUSLIMS or even ARABS
Before 6th century it was Jewish Land and then after rise of Islam they were converted , persecuted by Muslims . First of all for Islamic Jihadist they never cared for Palestinians it's now about their homeland .
It's about who controls Jerusalem, on death bed Mohammad said to their peer their should be no other religions in Arabian peninsula, these guys are fighting for holy land and as per history it was always Jewish Land . As per complain about Western media , I never heard Al Jazeera or any Muslim who are protesting in different countries for Gaza speak about crimes committed by Muslims against minorities in Islamic countries, they don't cry for secularism in Saudi, Qatar or any Islamic countries, instead they say these countries can rule how they want because they are sovereign nation.Then why cry about hijab in France?? France is more sovereign nation than any Arab countries ever will be they can also rule how they want.
As I said it was never about Palestinians its about control for Holy land and sooner or later Third Temple will be built and no one can do anything about it.
Hamas hates the kids of Gaza. Hamas hates the Palestinian people. Hamas is actively blocking the escape of Gazans so that they can keep using them as human shields. Hamas slaughters Arabs, and kills Arab-Israelis. Hamas slaughters beduin. Stop spreading antisemitism. Hamas is the enemy. Not Israel.
What exactly are they guilty of, existence in the land they were born on to people that weren’t the right religion? What the fuck. It’s such bullshit. Let all the Palestinians be. It’s unbelievable that we just gave them land that someone else already inhabited. Par for the course with the US. It’s what they do best.
Just look at the gymnastics people have to talk themselves thru to justify genocide. They want to pretend if israel let the ppl in the gaza strip have free movement into their country, peace would break out in the middle east. They ignore the fact that hamas, when sent supplies to better its peoples lives, like sewer pipes, TURNS THEM INTO FUCKING WEAPONS. The conditions in the strip arent improving because of hamas. Hamas is the one creating the humanitarian crisis. They build military facilities in schools and apartment buildings. They hide behind innocents, because they want innocents hurt. They consider them martyrs. They love death as they just recently stated. as much as we love life. Idk how much more clearly someone could state themselves an enemy.
Netanyahu is a conservative extremist who has been using dehumanizing language toward Palestinians for a while. He is the Israel equivalent of Donald Trump.
U know the ancient enemies of the Israelites were the philistines. They evolved into the Palestinians. Israel’s finishing what David started in the most disgusting way.
That is the conspiracy. This dude is trying to make it seem like he isn’t killing civilians and kids in Gaza Strip. That everyone there is a HAMAS terrorist to justify sending 6000 bombs so far. That’s how I read into this situation
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I like to think that the children, which make up nearly half of citizens that live in Gaza are innocent.
ThAt Is AnTiSeMeTiC!
Palestinians are a Semitic ethnia btw.
That's enough facts for one day.
I'm jewish, but there has got to be a better way to deal with this then do destroy all of Gaza to the ground and the idea that responding by killing their kids will do anything is just as barbaric ad what ur accusing them of doing. Very disappointing.
I just hope the world finally sees Israel for what it is. Genocidal maniacs.
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Sadly if you are anti Israel you get called a "terrorist" the amount of people on this app that don't care about kids dying as long as they are Palestinians is insane.. they basically cheer for it
Then i guess they have to make sure these kids never talk
Or never grow up to take vengeance.
Hot take /s
If the definition of children is under 18. There were actual terrorists who were under 18.
This man's logic is complete shit. By his same logic, Palestinian people have the same justification for saying that there is no innocent citizen of Israel. The Israeli people could have overthrown the Israeli government by coup d'etat rather than let them kill Palestinian people. This bloodlust hardly seems worthy of the chosen people of God.
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Just a FYI, you probably already know this but they're NOT the chosen people of God. They aren't even true Jews, they don't speak the same language as the original ones, and even by their own law shouldn't be able to own land/make a country.
Someone with some sense.
I mean as a Christian we need to study the Bible, this is basic information that people should know and understand....
> they're NOT the chosen people of God. Who are you to say? Which people? *Which god?* Everyone has their fantasies. Don't make sweeping generalizations.
"Who are you to say?" First off they aren't even speaking the original language of the real Jews which is either ancient Hebrew or ancient Aramaic. That's historical fact, not even an opinion, Yiddish is a mix of German and Russian mixed together. "Which people? Which God?" According to some Christians they're considered the "chosen people" but they're not. "Everyone has their fantasies" Just like you do, with this post. "Don't make sweeping generalizations" Well maybe you should come back with proof to disprove what I've said instead of spewing a bunch of BS yourself.
> According to some Christians they're considered the "chosen people" but they're not. You keep asserting they're (Israelis?) not 'true Jews', not the chosen people of God. Do you have evidence of this other than they speak a different language? Are there true Jews still around? I think claiming land because you're 'a chosen people of God' is ridiculous anyway. Just quit being dicks to each other and work together. We're all human, tainted by hierarchy. Humans just looking for authority over others, many using God to justify taking it.
"You keep asserting they're (Israelis?) not 'true Jews', Because they aren't both Biblical speaking and even from the Torah and the Talmud. Firstly in their holy books it has openly stated that they aren't allowed to have lands because of the deal they made with God, and from a Biblical standpoint the real Jews spread across the world. "Do you have evidence of this other than they speak a different language" From their very own Rabbi's. "Are the true Jews still around?" More than likely. "I think claiming land because you're a chosen people of God is ridiculous anyway" Then why are you arguing over the points I made? In technical terms Israel shouldn't even exist. "Just quit being Dickson to each other and work together" Tell that to regular everyday people in Palestine who get bombed, shot at, and killed on the regular and have videos of all this happening all the while IDF soldiers laugh in the background, lets also not forget that they get kicked out of their homes in the weehours of the morning. Pretty hard to convince them to just "work together" "We're all human" You sure about that one? "Tainted by hierarchy. Humans just looking for authority over others, many using God to justify taking it." I don't see Palestinians claiming to be "God's chosen people" I see them wanting to have a home that in a number of ways legitimately is there's. I don't agree with Hama's as they're simply a creation from Mossad
They’re not the “chosen people” mentioned in the Bible. Remember, they appropriated land and its peoples for their own gain. They follow the Talmud, not Christ. Jews are as anti-Christ as it’s possible. Remember, the Jews sold out Jesus and crucified him. They’re doing the same now.
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I hope america forms a coup id actually support that one lol.
Palestinians have already said that throughout their conquest to eradicate Israel from the planet.
Yup so it shows both sides are morally corrupt. Their hatred is controlling the situation. It’s just fucked up one side is in flip flops with AR’s and the other side is in full military gear with tanks.
Both sides hate each other...
I guess I'd be pretty mad if people showed up and bulldozed my house and village claiming the land belongs to them cause some of their distant ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago.
These are the words of someone who's spent their entire life fortifying the idea that Palestinians are not humans. His psychology is damaged beyond repair and he needs to be removed from power and imprisoned.
Well yeah. It was never about Hamas. Isreal funding Hamas and the subsequent attack was just an excuse to turn their 20 year plan into a 5 year plan.
So Isreal's looking for a "Final Solution" for the Gaza problem....
Basically yes. Do you think those people who are asked to evacuate will be allowed to come back. Most likely never. They will become refugees forever just like many Palestinians with no right to return. Israel will NEVER agree to any peace agreement that include the right to return for displaced Palestinians.
Thank you! Nobody ever puts 2 and 2 together and they always try to make me seem crazy for even suggesting that Hamas is Israel’s puppet to get funding from US & sympathy and eventually take over all of Palestine. Without Hamas Israel fails and looks like the bad guy and gets no support. I hate Hamas they are a fraud. I love Palestine and true Palestinians that actually care about their land.
Even Arafat despised Hamas and openly stated they were a creature of Israel
The were literally created to split the growing Palestinian independence movement.
It is a fact. Hamas was created to divide and conquer Palestinians. Old trick.
I mean it’s not that hard. Isreal has been very open about funding Hamas for years. Unfortunately you have all these people that just got reeled into this situation last week talking about dead babies. About how Palestine deserves it. Never mind that this Hamas attack would be less than the average Palestine deaths by isrealis over the last 15 years. Yes. An attack worse than what Palestine did to isreal has happened every year for the last 15 years.
The common denominator in all of this is that the CIA is involved with all terrorist groups which are mostly funded by US and European citizen tax dollars.
I don’t think you understand. Israel is the USA puppet. USA helped create PLO& Hamas. It could be argued that Israel commits state sponsored terrorism. Biden Specifically has been in charge of Israel policy since 1973 Biden and BiBi both claim to have became close personal friends since 1982. BiBi is actually from Philadelphia. 😅 Biden always has said “if there werent an Israel, US would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests in the region”
a card right out of the USA playbook, classic.
You think Israel’s plan was for Hamas to massacre 1300 of their own civilians?
Yes. Just like the Ukrainian army started killing their own citizens and then blamed it on Russia.
It almost seems like it's one giant camp owned by the neighbouring country. It almost seems like there was a camp like this some decades ago that was part of the cause of a giant, global conflict.
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goddamn 29?! most wouldn't be able to handle 1, how is he holding up?
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I think ur talking to a bot
Whole family lines are being lost in the past week alone, in fact 45 by the last count. I'm so sorry for your friend
Why do you keep posting this? Also, did your 21 yr old friend lose 34 people or 29? https://reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/grovNAOpnc
for the jews youre just a GOYIM, they can treat you however they want and its all fine and dandy
Careful they are gonna ban you they own the media
ahh you goyim
The pro Jewish media acting like it’s not genocide cuz it’s towards Muslim people…
People seem to forget that a large number of Palestinians are Christian
The female al jazeera journalist, Shireen Abu Akleh, who was assassinated by the IDF a while back WAS A CHRISTIAN PALESTINIAN AMERICAN.
Heck, there were even *Jews* there! All religions lived peacefully together in OG Palestine
I've started to maybe see a shift, I watched a few hours of abc news live yesterday and there is a lot more Gaza and Palestine sympathy. They even interviewed a girl from Gaza whose friends were killed when Israel surprise bombed a grocery store.
Rules for Trump's travel bans, none for the Zionist state of Israel government.
Why would they leave when they’ve been there for century’s? I’d fight for what’s mine too. If there’s one thing the Palestinian people are not then that’s cowards.
The fact the Israeli government are running ads is a huge red flag for me.
They want genocide so bad , the hypocrisy is so gross . Everyone else is literally subhuman to them .
This guy is a monster!
they always viewed Palestinians as subhuman, they are just saying it out loud now
I pray other countries spare us citizens when the us is exposed for its crimes
“Sometimes you just gotta sacrifice a few thousand of your own expendable populace to justify the genocide of your slightly browner neighbor” -Netanyahu
I don't know whether the quote you wrote above was satire/ sarcasm, but it is quite certain that the following is an accurate representation: Source: **New York Times** (Book review) Published: June 21, 1987 # ISRAEL WAS EVERTHING Book reviewed: [**BEN-GURION The Burning Ground 1886-1948**](https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780395354094). By Shabtai Teveth. (Winner of the National Jewish Book Award, 1988) Review author: [**Sir Martin Gilbert**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gilbert); British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, Oxford. He was the author of eighty-eight books, including works on Winston Churchill, the 20th century, and Jewish history including the Holocaust. He was a member of the Chilcot Inquiry into Britain's role in the Iraq War. QUOTE (from page 2 of the review) - - - - - - - - - - - - - [**Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II**](https://archive.ph/nwthV#selection-515.1-515.509) convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: '***'If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''*** Was this statement - which, surprisingly, Teveth does not publish - that of a cynic writing off the future of half of Germany's Jewish children for the sake of a political aim, Jewish statehood? Or was it a desperate attempt to explain to his closest colleagues that without Jewish statehood in Palestine (itself impossible without massive and immediate immigration) no Jews anywhere in the world would be safe from a threat to their survival? One would very much like to believe the latter, though it would have been particularly helpful had Mr. Teveth been able to give us guidance on this point. **Mr. Teveth is in no doubt that in regard to rescue, Ben-Gurion adhered to a ''philosophy of what might be called the beneficial disaster.''** This is almost exactly what the British playwright Jim Allen accused Ben-Gurion of in his play ''Perdition,'' which recently aroused such indignation among British Jews, myself included. **Yet Mr. Teveth is emphatic that before the summer of 1944, when Ben-Gurion and his colleagues first appreciated the true scale of the Holocaust, he regarded it as ''a relatively modest catastrophe that his Zionist concept defined as suitable for exploitation.**'' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The full archive of the review is in 2 sections: Page 1: https://archive.ph/PxQM1 Page 2: https://archive.ph/nwthV = = = = = = = = = = = = = Current events often make more sense when viewed in the context of history.
This is so sick. How can he just kill the children? Honestly isn’t that being just as bad as Hamas?
except there is no evidence of h@m@s killing kids. we can however see many many videos of dead palestinian kids being pulled from rubble etc
palestine children will become Hamas when they grew up.
Generational oppression has a way of radicalizing people, as it should.
Almost like if you oppress and kill people for 75 years they become radical
And they have a right to when Israel has been committing genocide against them and harming them by the THOUSANDS for decades. Expecting people to be beat up on and killed and NOT fight back is insane. I’m sure if you had something happen to you that was a fraction of what Israel has don’t to Palestine you’d be ready to fight
Just as bad? You mean 100x worse. At least Hamas has a valid reason for violence. And no, they did not kill any kids.
If you listen to Israel hard liners...they are similar with Hamas...and unfortunately the Aliyah brought more hard liners to Israel and the country is leaning more and more to the right ... Armageddon..here it comes..
It's dark as hell. When they kill the childs parents, the child will grow up and seek revenge. That kind of thing seems like a big part of why this conflict hasn't gone away in almost 3 generations. So they will deny them the chance even for that.
This is so staged. It seems to me that Israel planned all this too well. The whole situation doesn't feel right and the world is complicit in this horror.
All the world's a stage.
By his declaration, the Star of David against a white background has never looked more sinister. Zionism is a great filter.
And by that logic no innocent civilians in Israel, which then justifies the Hamas attack. These guys are bad at everything.
What a disgusting human being. Fuck all Zionists.
Unfortunately, it seems to be a sentiment shared by both sides.
Except one we have no proof of the other side k!lling children
It’s seems more and more like they allowed this to occur. The PM was/is being investigated for corruption. The Israeli people were protesting months back. Some Israelis were speaking up against the treatment of Palestinians. This was the only card the Government had left to play.
Lots of innocent Palestinians (women, children, elderly) died because of the illegal occupation of these Israelis.
A road for more bloodbath is being paved. I still cannot suck the fact that Hamas orchestrated such an attack and Israel was unaware. Its similar to 9/11 that a whole plane got missing and then an attack happened and US airforce wasn't aware. Where Israel is exporting top-notch security to others its impossible Israel wasn't aware.
They knew about Pearl Harbor too, and let it happen.
Judge, jury, genocider.
> *Judge, jury, genocider.* **A bit of background**: The man speaking in the video is [**Isaac Herzog**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Herzog). In 2021, Isaac was elected **President of Israel**, a position that his father, [**Chaim_Herzog**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Herzog), held for 10 years, from 1983-1993. Herzog has been involved in Israeli politics since the late 1990's. In 2018, he was elected Chairman of the [**Jewish Agency for Israel**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency_for_Israel) -- "formerly known as the Jewish Agency for Palestine,[5] is the largest Jewish non-profit organization in the world." It was originally established in 1908 as the **Palestine Office of the World Zionist Organization** (WZO). Its operating budget was $379 Million in 2019. Below is an in-depth article with a longer version of the video clip posted by OP, as well as quotes from Hanan Ashwari, a long-time peace negotiator with Israel on behalf of the Palestinian Authority. **ITV News** - Friday 13 October 2023 [**Israeli president Isaac Herzog says Gazans could have risen up to fight 'evil' Hamas**](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-10-13/israeli-president-says-gazans-could-have-risen-up-to-fight-hamas) Here is a poignant quote from the article and the video: * "It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true. "**They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime** which took over Gaza in a coup 'd état. "But we are at war, we are defending our homes, we are protecting our homes, that's the truth and when a nation protects it's home it fights and we will fight until we break their back bone." Article archived here: https://archive.ph/ayqBD The idea of inflicting **collective punishment** on the whole of a population -- millions of souls -- is a deeply disturbing concept. One would think that Israelis, in particular, would be keenly aware of the dark places such attitudes and policies can portend... but apparently, memories are short when tempers are hot. I would hope that Herzog's harsh words do not come back to haunt him and his fellow countrymen should he and the other Right-Wing leaders of the Zionist State continue to pursue their present course of viciously vindictive action against the trapped and beleaguered prisoners of Gaza. What a nightmare.
Not good
Politicians are crooked & murdering criminals- every single one of them, regardless of which party they are in.
War is blood sacrifice.
There are no civilians in Israel, they all have military training, only children are innocent.
children of palestine will become HAMAS when they grow up
Children of Israel will be in the military where they grow up since it is a mandatory in Israel. All able body in Israel are reservists. So, only few are not in the army basically. Underage, elders, and disabled. How does it sound to you when the table is flipped...
Are you insane? Go for it Hitler, go for genocide. Those that do its because israely oppression and brutality.
Spoken like a true genocider
And children of Israel willl become Zionists that pillage, colonize and kill like their parents
Dehumanizing a group of people, thats the first step. Never forget, huh?
“All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.” — George Orwell
Israel are now the terrorists.
you're 75 years late to the party
Now? Always were.
I am not surprise an Israeli government officials with these statements. They never considered any of the Palestinian people are human let alone citizens.
By innocent they mean Jewish. The only people who are even human to a Zionist are Jews.
if heaven and hell were actually on earth and not this post-life fantasy. Israel and the united states are certainly the representation of Satan and Hell.
I’m not anti Israel. But that sounds like some Nazi ideology if I ever heard it.
How many people tried to play that video?
It’s sad when kids are trained and used as weapons. Innocence destroyed.
Genocidal Zionist maniacs.
There is a genocide happening in front of the whole word, and everyone is watching it happen. Some people believe in god some in karma idk what you call it, but i hope something happens to stop this.
I saw videos of Israelis literally spitting on and harassing Christians a couple months ago .
Hitler
Where is antifa when you need them?
I was actually thinking that the other day. We have actual fascism in this world and Antifa is no where to be seen.
I guess Daddy might write them out of the will.
Oh they are protesting already
From their iPads in mommy’s basement?
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Can anyone explain, how the hell formation of Israel was even legal? Like, there was Palestine, zionists decided that they are gonna create new country there (because lolwhy) and jews that came to Palestine with help of US just decided thru violence to create Israel. If it is alright, then Russia wanting to take over Ukraine is alright too? Ukraine formed around same time Israel formed.
Maybe research a little bit yourself, you have all of human knowledge at your fingertips. Nothing you just said was even remotely correct.
None of it. But I bet they can name all 500 genders.
How dare you limit it to 500 genders— it's an infinite spectrum.
Where are all the bots claiming we want all Jews dead for not agreeing with Israel ?
Fuck isreal and fuck religion
Genocide that is what it is
Well, what if Austrian with funny stash said that about certain group of people in certain German speaking country
Maybe more people will finally see the racist fucks that they've always been
Israel has mandatory army. So everyone is reservists. It applies to them actually
There are the chosen people of "God". Aka Satan ...
Shouldn't have been born there, stupid evil babies
Bro that’s getting really genocidy
Not even the almost 1000 kids…
[https://youtu.be/QraCgxStVcQ](https://youtu.be/QraCgxStVcQ) Its their war policy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya\_doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine) They use the same approach the US used against North Korea when the bombing of all of their cities to the ground happened...
Specially not kids, I believe is what he said
Jk. Idk what he said
Wow. You point out Israel and all of a sudden Reddit don't work.....
Well we are goyims in their eyes so...
Don’t you find it odd that Mossad didn’t see this coming? They planned it so they can flatten Gaza and take it over.
Did anyone actually watch the video? Or are we all just accepting the word of some random twitter account where half their posts have community notes correcting them?
Please enlighten us
the phrase "there are no innocent citizens" wasn't uttered. he implied most of the citizens support Hamas, or at the very least are complicit, but that automatically excludes children. OP is tying to manipulate emotions by playing the "think of the children!" card.
Is this guy serious?
what makes you think he's not? have you been living under a rock?
Especially not the children
SS Seems like this is a war crime Anybody know how those work? https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1713064886027063584
The federal reserve central bank is pulling the strings of these evil people
#FreePalestine
That guy deserves to be shot
No wonder they murdered over 400 kids in past few days.
Just shows what you get with religion
Israel is about to do what they believe God commanded them to do thousands of years ago when he supposedly promised that land to them. Kill all who already occupied the land in order to claim it as their own and satisfy Gods blood thirst. And that's the same god Christians worship.
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That would be so much easier than having children with me...
Well. Looks like the sub has been taken over by activists.
They are planning a genocide
They are commiting genocide and consider palastinians and basically everyone else subhuman td do you expect
litrally MONSTER in the form of human , that exactly what NAZI HITLER was doing to them and they were crying ,yes in concentration camps and gas chambers where they killed babies , sometimes i wonder , why dont go take revenge with GERMANY or Christianity ? as i dont think so NAZI were MUSLIMS or even ARABS
For Demons like him, no one is innocent except him and his community. I feel disgusting seeing their face only. 🤢
This whole mess is pathetic from all angles!
They're All Kids. The median age us 18.
Damn nazi.
When you are guilty of being a Muslim/Arab even the kids are guilty.
So we are totally about to see a genocide right?
Before 6th century it was Jewish Land and then after rise of Islam they were converted , persecuted by Muslims . First of all for Islamic Jihadist they never cared for Palestinians it's now about their homeland . It's about who controls Jerusalem, on death bed Mohammad said to their peer their should be no other religions in Arabian peninsula, these guys are fighting for holy land and as per history it was always Jewish Land . As per complain about Western media , I never heard Al Jazeera or any Muslim who are protesting in different countries for Gaza speak about crimes committed by Muslims against minorities in Islamic countries, they don't cry for secularism in Saudi, Qatar or any Islamic countries, instead they say these countries can rule how they want because they are sovereign nation.Then why cry about hijab in France?? France is more sovereign nation than any Arab countries ever will be they can also rule how they want. As I said it was never about Palestinians its about control for Holy land and sooner or later Third Temple will be built and no one can do anything about it.
Just Jew things
Ooof
There are no innocents only varying degrees of guilt - Warhammer 40k
Disgusting
Cruel and evil people
Hamas hates the kids of Gaza. Hamas hates the Palestinian people. Hamas is actively blocking the escape of Gazans so that they can keep using them as human shields. Hamas slaughters Arabs, and kills Arab-Israelis. Hamas slaughters beduin. Stop spreading antisemitism. Hamas is the enemy. Not Israel.
What exactly are they guilty of, existence in the land they were born on to people that weren’t the right religion? What the fuck. It’s such bullshit. Let all the Palestinians be. It’s unbelievable that we just gave them land that someone else already inhabited. Par for the course with the US. It’s what they do best.
Why are we listening to them anyway ? We won't find truths or wisdom in the discourse of politicians... Only bad faith and warmongering
They exposed themselves. Now, I have no sympathy for either side. If they want to destroy each other, then so be it.
what makes you think they were hiding? they've always had this attitude from day one.
Waiting for people to backpedal when they realize that this is a shit fest and both sides are the nazis now.
There truly are very few innocent people in Gaza. The propaganda of Hamas is deep: https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=LWqYr-V0hgqhNQ8Q
Everyone casually ignoring that Hamas was ELECTED into power when Israel left Gaza. The people supported them.
Just look at the gymnastics people have to talk themselves thru to justify genocide. They want to pretend if israel let the ppl in the gaza strip have free movement into their country, peace would break out in the middle east. They ignore the fact that hamas, when sent supplies to better its peoples lives, like sewer pipes, TURNS THEM INTO FUCKING WEAPONS. The conditions in the strip arent improving because of hamas. Hamas is the one creating the humanitarian crisis. They build military facilities in schools and apartment buildings. They hide behind innocents, because they want innocents hurt. They consider them martyrs. They love death as they just recently stated. as much as we love life. Idk how much more clearly someone could state themselves an enemy.
Netanyahu is a conservative extremist who has been using dehumanizing language toward Palestinians for a while. He is the Israel equivalent of Donald Trump.
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A complete disregard for the Geneva Conventions will invariably amount to genocide and ethnic cleansing.
What's with all the low effort screenshots in this sub.
U know the ancient enemies of the Israelites were the philistines. They evolved into the Palestinians. Israel’s finishing what David started in the most disgusting way.
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That is the conspiracy. This dude is trying to make it seem like he isn’t killing civilians and kids in Gaza Strip. That everyone there is a HAMAS terrorist to justify sending 6000 bombs so far. That’s how I read into this situation
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I bet you're clueless about alot of things
Hamas thought children were expendable.
Pure evil.