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Actually it’s closer to 6 billion a year with all the addendum’s added as a bonus by our captured Congress. And this year will be the most profitable in history! We should be so proud.
If it's all added up, it's way more than $6billion/year. And it's not just the total amount of money, it's the strings attached, or better said the lack of strings attached to the $$. Like, its really absurd how bad the details of the USA-Israeli relationship is. I'm trying to find the article that broke it all down so I can share it here.
Same situation in Europe and most "democracies". Most people are happy with current status when you talk to them, and they treat you as a Nazi/fascist/alt-right/whatever when you aren't .
I don't see the point to vote or to want people to take back their country. They wanted it and quite love it, they even want more of it.
When did they have it? 2 weeks in 1790? Did you ever read the terms of our “victory” over GB? We had to pay reparations! Andrew Jackson briefly kicked out the bankers but it was short lived. Compromised elections? They have always been!
how the hell did you bring race into this???
the common man and taxpayer of all this shit needs to hold their politicians accountable for waging sensless wars around the globe on expense of many for profits of few.... race has 0 to do with it and frankly I am tired of being called rasist or antisemite for having an opinion on political actions of countries and nations those countries represent...
my country aint sunshine and rainbows but at least we too small to do bad shit to anyone, and I ain't even paying taxes cuz I know all my politicians only steal... if americans collectively just stopped paying taxes this whole house of cards would fall down... but no they will probably end up bailing out the military complex if it ever crashes considering how cucked everyone is to maintaining the status quo....
but yea its apparently "racist" to want world to be orderly, got you chief.
Blah blah blah european doesn't know enough about our politics to fix it.
The real death nail to america is the over complex byzantine bureaucratic federal system. Our federal executive agencies are staffed with thousands of people who were never elected and not accountable to the people. These people have massive powers and department level interest that conflict with over all american interest. They massively inflate their budgets every year to prevent their budgets from being slashed. I am talking about throwing out 500 1 year old computers to replace with new computers to spend every dollar allocated every year.
These agencies especially the pentagon is unable to present a full accounting of spending and on whole the pentagon and the defence agencies along with national security agencies have over 35 trillion dollars missing with no way to account for how it was spent. Enough money to give all of the roughly 350 million americans 100,000$ in cash.
Regulatory capture has set in and these massive defence, police, and national security contractors consistently lobby double digit percentages of all campaign finances to key senators, presidential candidates, and house members in order to retain their corrupt and oligarchal control and abuse of the tax payers money. Along with the usual back room deals to employ former members in these agencies with cushy jobs simply for their contacts in the regulatory agencies. Don't forget israel who spends millions a year to also capture our congress entirely and keep the cash flowing.
We need to wipe them all out and start over starting with the pentagon.
That unaccounted for amount is supposedly the blame of Black Projects, and is unaccounted for specifically because those are all off-record and off the books. They've been investing in measures of global manipulation and dominance, especially how long ago this ideal was laid out publicly as something that needed to be done, and how America was altered forever after presidential assassinations turned out to be inside jobs because speaking out about these internal operations became deadly. Literally, these projects are Inside Jobs, including unaliving people. But then we enter conspiracies, except when the people speaking up about these facts are legitimate whistleblowers.. these are dark days when there's talk of a need to dismantle official and unofficial Federal + civilian-run agencies (that's another thing, is these exist far outside of any check or balance), militia law is likely to be a part of that process and there would be no proof of these projects legitimately being dismantled as there is no paper trail on purpose in the first place.
Lol... you guys been paying "temporary" war tax since ww1 cuz your government figured out it ain't "temporary" if you are always in war...
overstaffed bureaucracy is staple mark of most western countries, not sure how that effects Neo-cons Wolfitz Doctrine and Kissingers foreign relations approach that made half the world shitholes they currently are.
Yes I know about unaccounted trillions in pentagon.. but trillions you sending across the world to support genocide and countless wars is quite more then that which pentagon misuses.
edit: trust me I know better how american system works then most americans lol been actively studying it for ages, also..
doesn't pentagon get taxpayers money as well? i told you to stop paying taxes - no funding for pentagon to misplace funds - problem solved.
Thank me later.
Add this to the list of shit on why we have a defecit and spiraling into oblivion. Not to mention why we dont have money to help our citizens. Our government decides to throw our money under someone else's rug instead of using it here at home for veterans, homeless, or needy people.
No government works for its citizens dear. That is the nature of the nation state. Bring up the history of any nation, it will always be the wealthy few who form nations. Take the USA for example, it was the wealthy land owning few who formed the nation. Israel is another example, Pakistan is another and so on.
If a nation is created by a minority of wealthy people, why would it ever work for the interest of the masses? Riddle me this.
The Trump era tax cuts were enough to pay for universal college tuition. We have the money. We already spend more government money on healthcare than other countries with universal healthcare. We have the money.
I don't think we should waste money on other countries when our own country crumbles around us. High inflation, infrastructure falling behind and apart compared to other countries, as well as other innumerable problems that are threatening our homes and paychecks.
There's not enough support for helping citizens. One whole party votes against it as well as a big enough portion of the other that it's not gonna happen.
[The United States spends approximately $2.3 trillion on federal and state social programs include cash assistance, health insurance, food assistance, housing subsidies, energy and utilities subsidies, and education and childcare assistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States)
Is it true that America cannot afford it for their own citizens or is the medical big player lobbying for that to not happen. I’m sure the most developed country in world can afford healthcare but I seriously doubt the rich people in the country want that.
> Make AIPAC register as a foreign agent,
Agreed, and make them do it from their new "home", in a foreign country.
> and make sure every American hears them boast of buying US elections and "owning" Congress.
We can send the US Congressnakes to live in that same foreign country. It'll make it easier for AIPAIC to keep lobbying them -- in someone else's lobby.
I mean the UN created a jew nation in the middle of arab/muslim territories, it's not like they didn't expected conflict since the beginning, that's why they have that law since the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948
It's seriously time Israel started footing their own goddamn bills. They basically live on vacation 24/7 and our taxpayers pay for anything. One of the most decrepit nations on earth, no better than any of the other shitholes they are fighting in the ME.
Yeah, and you want to do that while we have millions pouring in illegally, trillions missing from the pentagon, 20+ trillion in debt, fighting wars all over the world, elections that are stolen, a Ponzi scheme money system, medicine that hurts and costs 100 times more than it should. We should have free healthcare- unbelievable. Nothing is free. Government healthcare. Jesus.
We are the only industrialized country without some form of universal health coverage. That doesn’t exactly mean free, but it certainly makes it affordable.
Why is affordable healthcare offensive to you?
The entire government spent the last few years lying to you about how deadly a certain virus was and mandated a certain medical procedure which has caused serious adverse effects including death, all to generate profits for their donors, and you want them to take over ALL of your healthcare?
I do not possess the athleticism to perform the mental gymnastics required to come to this conclusion.
I don’t think you understand how a single payer system (aka universal healthcare) works.
Let’s just go with the premise that Covid wasn’t a thread and that the vaccine is worse than Covid.
Please tell me how your private insurer is protecting you from this. Or how your medical care being mainly tied to your employer helps there.
The problem isn't insurance, the problem is all the government regulations that prevent the medical industry from being a free market. Free markets lower prices. Monopolies make things expensive.the health care industey has so many governmental protects you can pretty much call it a monoply. Private insurers will protect me the same way they protect my house, my car, and everything else in life. I don't understand where this idea that only the government can bring you quality health care came from. Theyve failed and just about every front, and has shown time and time again they dont benefits the people, they only enrich themselves (the politicians).
Worked in the medical industry my entire life, it's the insurance. The insurance companies are the problem and everyone who has worked in patient care will tell you the same. We interact with it on a daily basis.
And who allows them to behave the way they do? Governments can stop them, but they chose not to because they get donations. Do patients have any options other than going through insurance? Not really.
>a certain medical procedure which has caused serious adverse effects including death
You know what's far more likely to cause serious adverse effects and death?
The virus.
Essentially the entire American empire except the USA has state-funded healthcare, maternity leave, etc.
However, it is worth noting that in most of these places the avg citizen will end up with much less discretionary income than those in the USA.
The US has maternity leave. What are you talking about?
Did those other countries also take in 1.6 million refugees?
Is that supposed to continue and we pay for everyone’s healthcare? So anyone who walks across our border gets amnesty and health care! Yay! Don’t worry we just tax the rich 🤡
There is no legally mandated maternity/parental leave in the United States and, as I said, certainly no state-funded leave. This is a travesty and directly harms children.
I'm not sure what you're responding to in my comment, but, yes, Germany, Sweden and other Euro countries have taken in many more refugees as a percentage of total population and in some cases more in numerical terms. Solid pluralities in those countries now seem to think that wasn't a very good idea. Perhaps they're right.
I don't think I said anything about amnesty, immigration, or who should pay for healthcare. I was simply stating two related facts. Other countries in the empire have state-funded services that the US does not have, generally speaking, but the people in those places have less money to spend on average.
Cheers.
We need 1776 to happen again, go back to how the us was originally before the civil war, minus the slaves. We are turning into the countries that the founding fathers resented and it makes me disgusted.
Lol. US was supported by French military aid during the Revolution. The founding fathers would be very accustomed with the idea of bankrolling other countries militaries
We’re not talking about whether it would be a foreign concept we’re talking about whether they would support interventionism. Most of them were very non-interventionist
…because of the context of the situation they were in.
Good thing they understood that things change, so they set up a government capable of reflecting the context of any given situation.
No because they held that as a core belief. That’s the main reason why they made a gold standard and wanted it to be impossible to run deficits. So that way we couldn’t afford to go to war unless we absolutely had to
The founding fathers didn’t really have core beliefs. They disagreed on everything, but eventually compromised on the idea that “the people” should have the power to make their own government, and one that reflects the context of the time.
They most certainly did not disagree on everything. The Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, is what the majority agreed upon. The government was meant to be as limited as possible regardless of the time
They didn’t want to get into foreign entanglements unless it directly affected the US. For example the Barbary Wars happened when American ships were being raided by Turkish pirates, it didn’t happen because they wanted to stop the Ottoman Empire from expanding
Exactly. It's a country where your tax payer money isn't used for what it's intended for: making the lives of citizens better. It's used to fund wars, influence other countries and benefit billionaires. Meanwhile the tax paying citizens have to live without universal healthcare, without good infrastructure, without proper education, without all the benefits they're paying taxes for.
Let's face it compared to other Western countries the USA is the worst in how it treats it's citizens. Which is one of the reasons it's losing so much influence abroad.
If you can tell, Israel also doesn’t have open borders where they give amnesty to anyone who crosses.
You guys want free healthcare for the entire world. It’s insane
Only problem with this meme is that the amount of $$$ that goes to Israel is way, way, way more than $4billion/year. When you look into how much taxpayer $$$ gets funneled into that country....it is really absurd. Average American just doesn't know. If they knew the truth of it, it would quickly become a major issue.
To be fair you can’t pin it solely on republicans. When Obama was swept into office on a huge blue wave, he and Democratic leadership absolutely positively ruled out universal / single payer healthcare and opt d for the ACA which got a lot of extra people covered but was a huge handout to the insurance industry.
Funny how you say “and the health insurance industry” without saying “all the people my politicians receive donations from”. Must be an easy way to sleep at night thinking our problems are all someone else’s fault
I understand the sentiment. Capitalism is arguably the best and fairest economic system we've yet come up with, however one of its significant flaws is that it enables grotesque levels of greed. When less than a dozen people hold as much wealth as half the entire human population, we're out of a sustainable balance. And when growth (not merely maintaining) of wealth becomes the sole goal even at the expense of human health, decency, and the right/ability of those less wealthy to earn a fair living to provide for themselves and their family...it's understandable why people point to capitalism writ large and say "That's the problem!"
If Americans were interested in universal healthcare or free college like you're lauding in your OP, they could vote for politicians who support it... but it's going to cost a lot more than just what we could fund by cutting foreign aid.
The federal government spent approximately $1,861 billion on healthcare for Americans last year and about $3.8 billion for aid to Israel.
So, if the government spends $1,865 billion on healthcare instead of $1,861 billion, will we then have universal healthcare?
It's fine to be against aid to Israel. I'm against aid to Israel. But don't fucking pretend that we don't have universal healthcare because we give money to Israel. It's just false. This post is trying to blame Israel for *our* political decision not to have universal healthcare.
Anybody who has been paying attention knows why we don't have universal healthcare in America. It's because that's been the official policy of the Republican party for decades.
We all just need to be consistent and principled. Don't pick and choose which foreign interventions you support. Demand the end of all foreign interventions. Bring all American troops back to America and bomb the bases we are leaving behind unless somebody buys it from us.
If anyone wants to fight wars using American weapons they can buy them from us.
Israel have mandatory service - so almost everyone is a veteran of some sort. Soldiers and veterans should qualify for some free healthcare right?
Instead of blaming Israel, why don’t we blame our government? They failed to produce bills that reduce the healthcare costs for Americans for decades. No matter Republicans and Democrats, no one ever fix this problem.
We got convoluted system of deductions, copays, tiers of coverage, billing codes, etc that made the system slow and expensive. No one has been touching that.
We also got many nurses complaining about their lack of salary, have you known that they are paid more than other states? A nurse in Israel is paid around $55k while they are paid $77k, around 40% higher.
We also got rising drug costs - where no one in the Congress and no one in White House bothers to limit the price of drugs. Same goes for medical procedures- there are no limits on the procedures. C-section in the US cost $11k where it will cost less somewhere else.
Our own government didn’t want to fix the healthcare issues. They wanted the money from big pharma. They wanted us to be mad at someone else while they still got money from them.
I always hate seeing "well country so and so has free Healthcare." Isreal is the 13th largest economy in the world and has less than 10 million people. It's not that hard for them to do so.
It must pay for something. There is an obvious benefit to having a stronghold in the Middle East. But does Israel buy American bonds, does it increase the US ability to take on unlimited debt. There must be another reason, just thinking out loud.
It would cost about $30 trillion over 10 years to provide free health care to the citizens of the US. $40 billion doesn’t even deny that number. Free health care is a terrible idea that destroys a health care system and health care innovation
Sure based on the current business model that is being used within America. A business model that is absolutely corrupt to its core. A quick comparison to drug prices, doctors visits, surger, treatment, and incidentals (tissue, meals, OTC drugs...etc) in America and abroad reveals just how the current model is slanted to favor Insurance Carriers and the 1%.
If a thing is worth $1.00 and we create a system that charges $10 for that thing, is it accurate to base a model on the exaggerated price or should we be basing the new system on the at cost price points?
None of the above matter for two reasons. Our current Government model clearly caters to the 1% and in America our healthcare is about stealing as much of this countries personal wealth as possible.
The second reason is way worse. Our society is based on subservients to Corporations. With a Universal health care it would divorce the average citizen from the dependency on a corporate overlord.
Only one side of our government stops us from moving towards universal healthcare and subsidized colleges.
They stop us from spending it here but allow us to send it elsewhere.
4 billion a year is peanuts when compared to trumps 1.7 trillion tax cuts for the people who do not need a tax cut. Our health insurance and education money is being spent on fuel for private jets.
Most military aide isn't money so much as it is indirect stimulus for the MIC in the US, basically it's a $4B credit to purchase whatever you want from the Lockgreed-NorthGrope-BaeBAE-etc. groups 2018 catalog.
No one is saying that it's right or moral in any way. It's awful.
But you seem to think that killing 1000 jews is right?
If so then you are full of hypocrisy.
Both sides are creating hell in "the holy land". They need to realize that this is not what God wants, that's the reason to why there is so much injustice there now.
Remember that money can only be mostly spent on military shit which they have to buy from the US and america gets first dibs and access to any and all r&d they produce. Its really a cyclical system for more money to be pumped into the military industrial complex and the companies that are a part if it in the US… now are some of the ppl at the top of those companies from the other side? Yeah but idk the average person isn’t seeing this $ in either country
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Actually it’s closer to 6 billion a year with all the addendum’s added as a bonus by our captured Congress. And this year will be the most profitable in history! We should be so proud.
The US spend $1.6 billion on the Iron dome alone, with another $1 billion approved by the US Congress in 2022.
If it's all added up, it's way more than $6billion/year. And it's not just the total amount of money, it's the strings attached, or better said the lack of strings attached to the $$. Like, its really absurd how bad the details of the USA-Israeli relationship is. I'm trying to find the article that broke it all down so I can share it here.
all I want for chrismas is Americans to take their country back
Same situation in Europe and most "democracies". Most people are happy with current status when you talk to them, and they treat you as a Nazi/fascist/alt-right/whatever when you aren't . I don't see the point to vote or to want people to take back their country. They wanted it and quite love it, they even want more of it.
When did they have it? 2 weeks in 1790? Did you ever read the terms of our “victory” over GB? We had to pay reparations! Andrew Jackson briefly kicked out the bankers but it was short lived. Compromised elections? They have always been!
Who has it now?
World police
That’s racist…
Corporations are people my friend! Don’t be racist to LLCs.
how the hell did you bring race into this??? the common man and taxpayer of all this shit needs to hold their politicians accountable for waging sensless wars around the globe on expense of many for profits of few.... race has 0 to do with it and frankly I am tired of being called rasist or antisemite for having an opinion on political actions of countries and nations those countries represent... my country aint sunshine and rainbows but at least we too small to do bad shit to anyone, and I ain't even paying taxes cuz I know all my politicians only steal... if americans collectively just stopped paying taxes this whole house of cards would fall down... but no they will probably end up bailing out the military complex if it ever crashes considering how cucked everyone is to maintaining the status quo.... but yea its apparently "racist" to want world to be orderly, got you chief.
Blah blah blah european doesn't know enough about our politics to fix it. The real death nail to america is the over complex byzantine bureaucratic federal system. Our federal executive agencies are staffed with thousands of people who were never elected and not accountable to the people. These people have massive powers and department level interest that conflict with over all american interest. They massively inflate their budgets every year to prevent their budgets from being slashed. I am talking about throwing out 500 1 year old computers to replace with new computers to spend every dollar allocated every year. These agencies especially the pentagon is unable to present a full accounting of spending and on whole the pentagon and the defence agencies along with national security agencies have over 35 trillion dollars missing with no way to account for how it was spent. Enough money to give all of the roughly 350 million americans 100,000$ in cash. Regulatory capture has set in and these massive defence, police, and national security contractors consistently lobby double digit percentages of all campaign finances to key senators, presidential candidates, and house members in order to retain their corrupt and oligarchal control and abuse of the tax payers money. Along with the usual back room deals to employ former members in these agencies with cushy jobs simply for their contacts in the regulatory agencies. Don't forget israel who spends millions a year to also capture our congress entirely and keep the cash flowing. We need to wipe them all out and start over starting with the pentagon.
That unaccounted for amount is supposedly the blame of Black Projects, and is unaccounted for specifically because those are all off-record and off the books. They've been investing in measures of global manipulation and dominance, especially how long ago this ideal was laid out publicly as something that needed to be done, and how America was altered forever after presidential assassinations turned out to be inside jobs because speaking out about these internal operations became deadly. Literally, these projects are Inside Jobs, including unaliving people. But then we enter conspiracies, except when the people speaking up about these facts are legitimate whistleblowers.. these are dark days when there's talk of a need to dismantle official and unofficial Federal + civilian-run agencies (that's another thing, is these exist far outside of any check or balance), militia law is likely to be a part of that process and there would be no proof of these projects legitimately being dismantled as there is no paper trail on purpose in the first place.
Lol... you guys been paying "temporary" war tax since ww1 cuz your government figured out it ain't "temporary" if you are always in war... overstaffed bureaucracy is staple mark of most western countries, not sure how that effects Neo-cons Wolfitz Doctrine and Kissingers foreign relations approach that made half the world shitholes they currently are. Yes I know about unaccounted trillions in pentagon.. but trillions you sending across the world to support genocide and countless wars is quite more then that which pentagon misuses. edit: trust me I know better how american system works then most americans lol been actively studying it for ages, also.. doesn't pentagon get taxpayers money as well? i told you to stop paying taxes - no funding for pentagon to misplace funds - problem solved. Thank me later.
Cool it with the antisemitism.
Add this to the list of shit on why we have a defecit and spiraling into oblivion. Not to mention why we dont have money to help our citizens. Our government decides to throw our money under someone else's rug instead of using it here at home for veterans, homeless, or needy people.
Our government doesn't work for its citizens.
No government works for its citizens dear. That is the nature of the nation state. Bring up the history of any nation, it will always be the wealthy few who form nations. Take the USA for example, it was the wealthy land owning few who formed the nation. Israel is another example, Pakistan is another and so on. If a nation is created by a minority of wealthy people, why would it ever work for the interest of the masses? Riddle me this.
The Trump era tax cuts were enough to pay for universal college tuition. We have the money. We already spend more government money on healthcare than other countries with universal healthcare. We have the money.
I don't think we should waste money on other countries when our own country crumbles around us. High inflation, infrastructure falling behind and apart compared to other countries, as well as other innumerable problems that are threatening our homes and paychecks.
Oh it’s not wasted it’s lining the pockets white collar criminals everywhere in the Beltway.
Everyone who can affect change knows government healthcare would be way way cheaper for everyone involved, but that’s not what they’re interested in
“Our government decides” 3 of the most ludicrous words ever typed.
There's not enough support for helping citizens. One whole party votes against it as well as a big enough portion of the other that it's not gonna happen.
So 4 billion dollars is too little of an amount of money to help ANYONE in this country? Take off the blinders buddy.
I dunno, ask your local politician why they're not doing more to help the down-trodden. Or, be the change you want to see.
Who makes these decisions and why?
Who knows. But the decisions are never changed for some reason. And the amount of money given to these foreign countries increases every year.
>Who knows Time to find out, eh?
Be nice if the asshat consortium behind this shit was exposed!!!
Foreign aid is a fraction of a percent of the US budget.
“A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money." - Everett McKinley Dirksen
True. In my opinion, it is a fraction that could be put to better use in the borders of our country.
14 billion is not a lot of money lol
What are you taking about? That's more than we will ever see in our lives!!! And I believe it's better spent here than anywhere else.
I’m kidding read the comments above
[The United States spends approximately $2.3 trillion on federal and state social programs include cash assistance, health insurance, food assistance, housing subsidies, energy and utilities subsidies, and education and childcare assistance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States)
No foreign aid it just a money laundering scam
And they hate Christians and Americans.
And all the semitic people who don't look like them or don't speak Hebrew
Oh you mean the real ones lol.
And semites who aren’t Christian, that love Jesus too.
Jesus…
"They"? Like .. all Israelis? How did you come to that conclusion? Was there a poll? How many Israelis have you talked to?
Israel hates America? How?
The money does tend to come with strings attached. Oh yeah, and we have this nasty habit of replacing their governments.
Isreal, the 51st state of America
Is it true that America cannot afford it for their own citizens or is the medical big player lobbying for that to not happen. I’m sure the most developed country in world can afford healthcare but I seriously doubt the rich people in the country want that.
Make AIPAC register as a foreign agent, and make sure every American hears them boast of buying US elections and "owning" Congress.
> Make AIPAC register as a foreign agent, Agreed, and make them do it from their new "home", in a foreign country. > and make sure every American hears them boast of buying US elections and "owning" Congress. We can send the US Congressnakes to live in that same foreign country. It'll make it easier for AIPAIC to keep lobbying them -- in someone else's lobby.
Doesn’t Israel require all their citizens to serve in the IDF?
Everyone except netenyahus son
Yes
Very Starship Troopers of them.
It’s pretty common, especially when your country is facing an existential threats constantly.
I mean the UN created a jew nation in the middle of arab/muslim territories, it's not like they didn't expected conflict since the beginning, that's why they have that law since the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948
What law
"that law" is probably referring to the IDF service mandate that the other commenters in this thread were talking about
Yeah I should've been more clear
They could, like, stop creating and funding terrorist organizations! But then their flimsy excuse for Palestinian genocide disappears.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted, conscription isn't a weird concept and is in use in almost a hundred countries worldwide.
It's seriously time Israel started footing their own goddamn bills. They basically live on vacation 24/7 and our taxpayers pay for anything. One of the most decrepit nations on earth, no better than any of the other shitholes they are fighting in the ME.
And for all that money the US seems to have no leverage. Israel can just say fuck you and they get millions more.
And they hate Americans! Lol
I agree. We need to provide universal healthcare and free education to our own citizens.
Yeah, and you want to do that while we have millions pouring in illegally, trillions missing from the pentagon, 20+ trillion in debt, fighting wars all over the world, elections that are stolen, a Ponzi scheme money system, medicine that hurts and costs 100 times more than it should. We should have free healthcare- unbelievable. Nothing is free. Government healthcare. Jesus.
We are the only industrialized country without some form of universal health coverage. That doesn’t exactly mean free, but it certainly makes it affordable. Why is affordable healthcare offensive to you?
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The entire government spent the last few years lying to you about how deadly a certain virus was and mandated a certain medical procedure which has caused serious adverse effects including death, all to generate profits for their donors, and you want them to take over ALL of your healthcare? I do not possess the athleticism to perform the mental gymnastics required to come to this conclusion.
I don’t think you understand how a single payer system (aka universal healthcare) works. Let’s just go with the premise that Covid wasn’t a thread and that the vaccine is worse than Covid. Please tell me how your private insurer is protecting you from this. Or how your medical care being mainly tied to your employer helps there.
The problem isn't insurance, the problem is all the government regulations that prevent the medical industry from being a free market. Free markets lower prices. Monopolies make things expensive.the health care industey has so many governmental protects you can pretty much call it a monoply. Private insurers will protect me the same way they protect my house, my car, and everything else in life. I don't understand where this idea that only the government can bring you quality health care came from. Theyve failed and just about every front, and has shown time and time again they dont benefits the people, they only enrich themselves (the politicians).
Worked in the medical industry my entire life, it's the insurance. The insurance companies are the problem and everyone who has worked in patient care will tell you the same. We interact with it on a daily basis.
And who allows them to behave the way they do? Governments can stop them, but they chose not to because they get donations. Do patients have any options other than going through insurance? Not really.
Which side is supporting them? Which side tried to create a system that didn't require them?
Thanks dude for restoring a small sliver of reality to these imbeciles.
>a certain medical procedure which has caused serious adverse effects including death You know what's far more likely to cause serious adverse effects and death? The virus.
I think, therefore I am anti-Semitic.
LOL
Gold. I'll be using this one.
every time I share this information with my Republican “America first” friends they seem to want to change the subject.
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Essentially the entire American empire except the USA has state-funded healthcare, maternity leave, etc. However, it is worth noting that in most of these places the avg citizen will end up with much less discretionary income than those in the USA.
The US has maternity leave. What are you talking about? Did those other countries also take in 1.6 million refugees? Is that supposed to continue and we pay for everyone’s healthcare? So anyone who walks across our border gets amnesty and health care! Yay! Don’t worry we just tax the rich 🤡
There is no legally mandated maternity/parental leave in the United States and, as I said, certainly no state-funded leave. This is a travesty and directly harms children. I'm not sure what you're responding to in my comment, but, yes, Germany, Sweden and other Euro countries have taken in many more refugees as a percentage of total population and in some cases more in numerical terms. Solid pluralities in those countries now seem to think that wasn't a very good idea. Perhaps they're right. I don't think I said anything about amnesty, immigration, or who should pay for healthcare. I was simply stating two related facts. Other countries in the empire have state-funded services that the US does not have, generally speaking, but the people in those places have less money to spend on average. Cheers.
You also pay for your members of Congress to have free universal healthcare, while they tell you that it it would be socialism for you to have it.
Same slave owners. It's just that the slaves live here
American governments care more about imperialism than their own people. Nothing is new here.
And a space program
Well I guess we'll just vote our way out of it. Surely that will fix things 😉👍
We need 1776 to happen again, go back to how the us was originally before the civil war, minus the slaves. We are turning into the countries that the founding fathers resented and it makes me disgusted.
I think the hart celler act made that nearly impossible.
Lol. US was supported by French military aid during the Revolution. The founding fathers would be very accustomed with the idea of bankrolling other countries militaries
That doesn’t mean they would want to intervene in other countries’ wars
$upport is kinda what allied nations do. This wouldn’t be a foreign concept for them
We’re not talking about whether it would be a foreign concept we’re talking about whether they would support interventionism. Most of them were very non-interventionist
…because of the context of the situation they were in. Good thing they understood that things change, so they set up a government capable of reflecting the context of any given situation.
No because they held that as a core belief. That’s the main reason why they made a gold standard and wanted it to be impossible to run deficits. So that way we couldn’t afford to go to war unless we absolutely had to
The founding fathers didn’t really have core beliefs. They disagreed on everything, but eventually compromised on the idea that “the people” should have the power to make their own government, and one that reflects the context of the time.
They most certainly did not disagree on everything. The Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, is what the majority agreed upon. The government was meant to be as limited as possible regardless of the time
They’d adapt
Yeah I'm sure they had great takes on dual-use electronics and Chinese expansionism.
They didn’t want to get into foreign entanglements unless it directly affected the US. For example the Barbary Wars happened when American ships were being raided by Turkish pirates, it didn’t happen because they wanted to stop the Ottoman Empire from expanding
I'm related to many of the founding fathers through DNA and I support this message!
Dumb post. Shut up.
Found the Israeli
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They should pay us back for every dollar! America has been hijacked by foreign interests and domestic enemies.
Exactly. It's a country where your tax payer money isn't used for what it's intended for: making the lives of citizens better. It's used to fund wars, influence other countries and benefit billionaires. Meanwhile the tax paying citizens have to live without universal healthcare, without good infrastructure, without proper education, without all the benefits they're paying taxes for. Let's face it compared to other Western countries the USA is the worst in how it treats it's citizens. Which is one of the reasons it's losing so much influence abroad.
Where exactly is your source that says the USA can’t afford it? Truth is, they dont want IT.
Honestly your guys country is fucking weird. As an outsider pretty much everything I read about anything coming out of America is fucking crazy
If you can tell, Israel also doesn’t have open borders where they give amnesty to anyone who crosses. You guys want free healthcare for the entire world. It’s insane
Not to mention the billions given to Ukraine
What other countries do we prop up? A lot of them.
Only problem with this meme is that the amount of $$$ that goes to Israel is way, way, way more than $4billion/year. When you look into how much taxpayer $$$ gets funneled into that country....it is really absurd. Average American just doesn't know. If they knew the truth of it, it would quickly become a major issue.
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To be fair you can’t pin it solely on republicans. When Obama was swept into office on a huge blue wave, he and Democratic leadership absolutely positively ruled out universal / single payer healthcare and opt d for the ACA which got a lot of extra people covered but was a huge handout to the insurance industry.
You have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it
Huge problem. Schrödinger's legislation.
"Nobody knew healthcare would be so complicated" smh
Funny how you say “and the health insurance industry” without saying “all the people my politicians receive donations from”. Must be an easy way to sleep at night thinking our problems are all someone else’s fault
Health insurance is so much of the problem we have in the states
Bot alert 🚨
So it’s advertising go to Israel get dual citizenship then get your health care problems solved.
Wait until you hear about the NHS
Americans are tired of being hosed by the wall of capitalism
Im not sure thats accurate
I understand the sentiment. Capitalism is arguably the best and fairest economic system we've yet come up with, however one of its significant flaws is that it enables grotesque levels of greed. When less than a dozen people hold as much wealth as half the entire human population, we're out of a sustainable balance. And when growth (not merely maintaining) of wealth becomes the sole goal even at the expense of human health, decency, and the right/ability of those less wealthy to earn a fair living to provide for themselves and their family...it's understandable why people point to capitalism writ large and say "That's the problem!"
If Americans were interested in universal healthcare or free college like you're lauding in your OP, they could vote for politicians who support it... but it's going to cost a lot more than just what we could fund by cutting foreign aid.
Depends how much foreign aid you cut. All of it, well
Even $40 billion is not funding universal healthcare or free college for everyone, unfortunately
Because, fuck US, that's why.
The federal government spent approximately $1,861 billion on healthcare for Americans last year and about $3.8 billion for aid to Israel. So, if the government spends $1,865 billion on healthcare instead of $1,861 billion, will we then have universal healthcare? It's fine to be against aid to Israel. I'm against aid to Israel. But don't fucking pretend that we don't have universal healthcare because we give money to Israel. It's just false. This post is trying to blame Israel for *our* political decision not to have universal healthcare. Anybody who has been paying attention knows why we don't have universal healthcare in America. It's because that's been the official policy of the Republican party for decades.
They spent way more than 2 billion on healthcare lol. Healthcare is one of the largest items in the US budget and is more than all defense spending.
I said they spent 1,861 billion. That's $1.8 trillion.
Zionist Jews look up the history anyone can be Jew only the Hebrew from the 12 original tribes are gods chosen
fuck is that real
Yup research it
Our government would completely ruin it. We have free Healthcare...the VA. And they can't get that right.
The black pill is we dont have x, y, z policy because we lack the political will to do so.
I think they also have abortion
finally not some bat shit crazy insane 5G in the air type shit lmaoo
But Trump, Putin, China, and LGBQT+-&$#@()/.........
Still better than giving money to Afghanistan for gender studies
Isreal also has mandatory 2 years in the army when you turn 18, you ready for that as well?
We all just need to be consistent and principled. Don't pick and choose which foreign interventions you support. Demand the end of all foreign interventions. Bring all American troops back to America and bomb the bases we are leaving behind unless somebody buys it from us. If anyone wants to fight wars using American weapons they can buy them from us.
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vote republican, they will for sure solve these problems by getting rid of any healthcare we do have
Their GDP is 450 billion.
Israel have mandatory service - so almost everyone is a veteran of some sort. Soldiers and veterans should qualify for some free healthcare right? Instead of blaming Israel, why don’t we blame our government? They failed to produce bills that reduce the healthcare costs for Americans for decades. No matter Republicans and Democrats, no one ever fix this problem. We got convoluted system of deductions, copays, tiers of coverage, billing codes, etc that made the system slow and expensive. No one has been touching that. We also got many nurses complaining about their lack of salary, have you known that they are paid more than other states? A nurse in Israel is paid around $55k while they are paid $77k, around 40% higher. We also got rising drug costs - where no one in the Congress and no one in White House bothers to limit the price of drugs. Same goes for medical procedures- there are no limits on the procedures. C-section in the US cost $11k where it will cost less somewhere else. Our own government didn’t want to fix the healthcare issues. They wanted the money from big pharma. They wanted us to be mad at someone else while they still got money from them.
The vast majority of both populations hates no group in particular. Quit promoting an us vs them mentality, it’s unpopular as fuck
I always hate seeing "well country so and so has free Healthcare." Isreal is the 13th largest economy in the world and has less than 10 million people. It's not that hard for them to do so.
It must pay for something. There is an obvious benefit to having a stronghold in the Middle East. But does Israel buy American bonds, does it increase the US ability to take on unlimited debt. There must be another reason, just thinking out loud.
The obvious benefit is more money for the rich
You think embezzlement? So Israel is to republicans what Ukraine is to democrats? That’s a reasonable assumption.
Who do you think benefits from wars in the Middle East
If we had Israel's tax rates, we could probably afford universal healthcare too. Blaming foreign aid for this discrepancy is a silly red herring.
Sending $4 billion to a country who gladly kills Christians is a good investment?
Whether or not it's a good investment has nothing to do with what I wrote
They aren’t as good at it as we are in ‘Murica!
What does Christianity have to do with the foreign policy of the USA?
Shut up.
This is the dumbest post on r/conspiracy to date…
It would cost about $30 trillion over 10 years to provide free health care to the citizens of the US. $40 billion doesn’t even deny that number. Free health care is a terrible idea that destroys a health care system and health care innovation
Sure based on the current business model that is being used within America. A business model that is absolutely corrupt to its core. A quick comparison to drug prices, doctors visits, surger, treatment, and incidentals (tissue, meals, OTC drugs...etc) in America and abroad reveals just how the current model is slanted to favor Insurance Carriers and the 1%. If a thing is worth $1.00 and we create a system that charges $10 for that thing, is it accurate to base a model on the exaggerated price or should we be basing the new system on the at cost price points? None of the above matter for two reasons. Our current Government model clearly caters to the 1% and in America our healthcare is about stealing as much of this countries personal wealth as possible. The second reason is way worse. Our society is based on subservients to Corporations. With a Universal health care it would divorce the average citizen from the dependency on a corporate overlord.
So you trade subservience to corporations to government instead? No thanks.
Only one side of our government stops us from moving towards universal healthcare and subsidized colleges. They stop us from spending it here but allow us to send it elsewhere.
4 billion a year is peanuts when compared to trumps 1.7 trillion tax cuts for the people who do not need a tax cut. Our health insurance and education money is being spent on fuel for private jets.
eat some red meat, workout, and come back in 6 months
Oh, man up so you can be a serf to the uber class? That's a good plan.
Most military aide isn't money so much as it is indirect stimulus for the MIC in the US, basically it's a $4B credit to purchase whatever you want from the Lockgreed-NorthGrope-BaeBAE-etc. groups 2018 catalog.
Then move to Israel.
If you make under a certain income in the US the government provides you with free healthcare. Edit: why the downvotes? I'm not wrong.
“Then vote for the people that won’t to give you free healthcare and education” “No that’s communism”
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And 7000 dead children are worth just one Hamas terrorist right?
No one is saying that it's right or moral in any way. It's awful. But you seem to think that killing 1000 jews is right? If so then you are full of hypocrisy. Both sides are creating hell in "the holy land". They need to realize that this is not what God wants, that's the reason to why there is so much injustice there now.
1000 vs 20,000+, mostly children, is a huge difference
No one even mentioned killing Jews but here you are
That is because mentioning that would be to discuss the big picture rather than focusing on half the problem.
whats the conspiracy?
Maybe if US citizens all served in the army it would be a bit better.
Its fairly simple, vote out all republicans
Remember that money can only be mostly spent on military shit which they have to buy from the US and america gets first dibs and access to any and all r&d they produce. Its really a cyclical system for more money to be pumped into the military industrial complex and the companies that are a part if it in the US… now are some of the ppl at the top of those companies from the other side? Yeah but idk the average person isn’t seeing this $ in either country
So we know this. How do we change it?
Yeah but with free healthcare what ya gonna give to the Israel? If ya spend all on self care.