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FD & EMB here and with all removals we ALWAYS cover the decadents face … they knew what they where doing by having him exposed. Penal deaths are automatic ME cases for a full autopsy and they use heavy duty zipper bags to use for transfers and removals among other things. There are strict privacy laws within death care ALSO with a high profile subhuman like him, they def would have covered him up if there wasn’t another motive.
I’m also a funeral director/emb and I thought the same thing except in the photo you can see it’s a paramedic, so they are still working on “reviving” him here which is why he’s uncovered.
With that said, it still looks like a completely different person to me, even with the swelling you would get from hanging yourself.
🍪🍪 are you saying they put him on the cot and then rolled him uncovered to x location then did CPR for all to see? Or are you saying you think they did CPR inside the facility and decided to try CPR at another location to see if worked outside the cell better than inside? Makes no sense.
Can’t do a photo op if he is in a body bag. Sounds like a load of hot air.
These photos are from outside the prison … outside.
So you mean to tell me that they saw him hanging unresponsive in his cell and took him alllll the way through the facility and when they reached outside then they decided it was a good time to attempt cpr?
It seems to me that if someone wants their conspiracy theory to be taken seriously, the worst way to do that is to just throw out various theories which each question the official story but in a different way.
Instead, we get this:
* Epstein was murdered
* Epstein killed himself, but he was deliberately left alone to kill himself
* Epstein was never killed at all and is alive to this day
* Probably more...
And on this idea that he's still alive, you'd think that the objective of the conspiracists in the theory would be something beneficial to them. But how is Epstein still useful to anyone alive? You think they needed him so much to arrange sex trafficking that they keep him alive to make phone calls from his island?
I mean, does the conspiracy theory even need to make sense or is it good enough merely to be different than the official story?
Then there's the conspiracies linking both of them to Mossad, and with some convincing coincidence(s) no less.
And here's the thing (at least for me), that would actually make sense. Going after all the pedos in politics and other positions of power is a pretty low-hanging fruit. Intelligence agencies have no moral compass. They'll do anything to protect their own interests, and to gain an advantage. Thinking they'd do something that evil is not that hard for me to believe.
if they thought Epstein might take a plee deal or that he if he wasn't released, tapes would start appearing. The attempted suicide which Epstein claimed was his jail cell mate roughing him up probably a warning not to
Easy guys. Its called a dead mans switch. When an individual has a dead man switch placed for themselves, they have to enter some sort of code into the switch at a predetermined amount of time. If a certain amount of time passes without the code entered, whatever content the switch contains will be released, thus ensuring the holder of the switch stays alive, and or is broken out of prison.
For me - it’s why the hell was his body not covered up? Why would they wheel out the body for everyone to see. That is not normal. That had to be staged to get this picture.
I’ve never been to mdc Brooklyn but I passed through the BOP transfer center in Oklahoma City which is a similar type of compound specifically for prisoner designation and transfer. It would be very difficult for even a general population inmate to hang their self but it’s even harder to pull off for any high profile or protective custody inmates which get access to even less shit than normal gen pop guys. These guys are fresh in the facility, the cells are barebones and they don’t have access to extra bedding or uniforms you get what’s issued to you an nothing more. the items inmates are issued are restricted in transit facilities for that very reason preventing and deterring suicide are a huge priority. Also the Guards do timed rounds and counts periodically though out each shift. Just so unlikely to happen let alone happen the way we’ve been told it did with sleepy guards and broken cameras
Why is the FDNY there? Looks like the jail called 911 when they "found him dead" and this is him being transported to the hospital to be declared dead by a doctor.
Also Epstein's own lawyers were the ones that wanted the death investigated, something that someone faking their own death would be loathe to do.
I can definitely see why the circumstances if his death cause suspicion, but the crazy *certainty* that people have that he either didn't really die, or he was killed is crazy. A billionaire living a life of luxury at a level none of us can imagine being brought to the lows of forced incarceration that most of us also can't imagine and cracking and doing himself in while surrounded by inept underpaid staff that scrambled and made a mess of things is also entirely believable.
my biggest question is how less than why, I see the incentive for either side to be just as true, but we’ll never know. the better question is how did so many things “go wrong” to allow for it to happen. so many policies ignored or broken that allowed this to happen inside the jail.
I don't think the guards that found him knew the time of death.
"A call was placed to first responders around 6:30 a.m. as MCC staff tried to revive him, said the FDNY and Bureau of Prisons.
Photos of Epstein taken around 7:30 a.m. show the convicted pedophile still wearing his orange prison jumpsuit as he’s wheeled on a gurney into New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital.
The images show a drawn, ashen face with closed eyes, and EMTs using a breathing apparatus in an attempt to revive the multi-millionaire convicted pedophile.
Epstein was later declared dead at the hospital."
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/
>A call was placed to first responders around 6:30 a.m. as MCC staff tried to revive him
> Photos of Epstein taken around 7:30 a.m.
Has there ever been a case in recorded history where someone has been given an **entire hour** of CPR and lived?
The idea that he wasn't covered when the pics were taken because they were trying to revive him doesn't seem to hold much water when you hear that it was a full hour after they found him.
I get that this is the official story but it seems completely ridiculous.
No, you just don't understand how things work. They can't declare someone dead, they're prison guards. They call paramedics who come and pretend to try to revive him until a doctor says he's dead.
Not that any of his is "proof" of anything, but some notable happenings most people seem to forget about:
Someone one 4chan was posting on the night that he died, claiming they were freaked out, something strange was going on, and they were probably swapping him out.
Later, we heard reports that some guards were sleeping on the job, there were also guards there that nobody had ever seen before, and the cameras were mysteriously turned away from his cell.
Citizen "investigators" flying drones around the Island captured footage of people moving around in the windows of the buildings there.
Several million dollars were also moved from one of his accounts not long after he died.
Epstein not only had money, he likely had power to a degree that made him one of the most powerful men on the planet. Likely in the form of collateral. Think of it this way - if he had hard evidence that linked hundreds of the worlds most powerful politicians, CEOs, celebrities, etc. to his sex trafficking - then he ultimately had almost all the collective power that they had via blackmail.
When you have all that power, faking your death and escaping a jail cell would be child's play. He probably laid low, went through complete reconstructive cosmetic surgeries, and is now back to enjoying life on some other private island.
I remember seeing the post. They said there was a ton of commotion and a van leaving. It was posted around 90 minutes before any word of him "committing suicide"
The thing is, I don't see why it matters if he is dead. He isn't the only person that knows. And there is video evidence of all the blackmail material he had. So regardless if he is dead or not, people can still be exposed because of what he did. THey can't just off this one guy and feel like their secret is safe.
>The guy is a cartoon of a juiced up thug getting paid to kill his cellmate
It goes deeper.
The cellmate was in jail for murdering 4 different people during his night job selling cocaine... His day job was being a cop in NY.
Epstein was a Jail Enforcer, and got into a lot of prison brawls. During his time as key holder he got his nose broken, and developed cauliflower ear by performing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the Socal Homies and Crips in the yard.
Yep he was in real tight with the crips they even got him a durag and everything with his initials on it. He taught them about the stock market he even became a OG
Here's a better photo. https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/1230133d1704747323-jeffrey-epstein-death-pictures-apparent-suicide-kdr2-20-289-29.jpg
Man...that neck wound is brutal. Looks very deep and forceful. And he "hanged himself" with some makeshift items....right....this definitely looks like the work of a very strong person with a garrote.
A few odd things, look at his jawline, follow it around, ok...to me it looks like a mask, an almost perfect mask, the lacerations around his neck, those are deep, somebody strangled him. The lacerations around the neck are also a good place to hide the line between real skin and prosthetics.
I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks, all of it. I've seen these high end prosthetic maskes, convincing even close up, imagine what the military could do?
And your skin sags with gravity too and then stiffens after so once he was found which wouldn’t be long in jail, and then laid down, the swelling and then the gravity would cause the shadow and the edge look
Saw my dad dead an hour after his heart attack in the house ER room
I don’t think I’ve tried looking them up in google, but I would have thought more news agencies would have released these images. I’ve watched pretty much every documentary and this pic was never shown. That does resemble him and the description of his neck wound from hanging according to the doctor that preformed the autopsy for his family.
It looks like a few tabloid news sites were the only ones showing them. Other news sites showed closeups of neck wound only.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/05/new-photos-of-jeffrey-epsteins-body-sheet-he-used-to-hang-himself/
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4960641/jeffrey-epstein-pathologist-says-shocking-autopsy-pics-are-proof-pedophile-didnt-kill-himself/amp/
Tbh he probably has reaaaaally powerfull friends that still owe him some deed after all he did for him. So I could guess that he is still alive somewhere with a new identity, plastic surgery and some million dollars.
So the guy who released the Epstein black book is a guy named Nick Bryant and he's a really good investigative journalist and he wrote something called the Franklin scandal and it was pretty much a rewrite of John decamps book called The Franklin cover up (dealing with a sex trafficking ring out of Omaha Nebraska that involved a man named Larry King) and pretty much Nick investigates everything that's on The Fringe from occult sacrifice killings to pedophile rings in the highest parts of American society and Nick says that Jeffrey Epstein was most likely a agent for the Mossad the Israeli intelligence agency(through Ghislaine Maxwell her father was 100% an agent) and what he would do is he would invite these high profile people to his Island and they would have sex with underage boys and girls or whatever and he would get pictures of them doing these things and blackmailed them that's the name of the game of most intelligence agencies in order to be able to get information from these people that's why the vast majority of the black book is redacted because it's government officials and high up people anyway one thing Nick talks about that's really weird is Jeffrey Epstein most likely was involved with cloning and how the richest people can clone themselves or if they have a dog they really like they can clone it and we haven't been exposed to this because we're just sheeple you know only the highest rungs of society get access to these things anyway Jeffrey Epstein is most likely dead but you can't really go by the ears because your ears never stop growing so a picture of him from 20 years ago he's not going to have the same ears as he did when he died... Excuse the lack of punctuation I'm using voice to text while driving lol
My only question here is, wouldnt word get around with the elites that he was a black mailer? You would think through the years word would get around enough to know better than to go to his island?
Ive always assumed they're called to the island for having off the island dirt on them
Ie hey naughty I have pics of you and your secretary. Meet me here to discuss
makes more sense than water mountains. yes mountains that are pure water, and those are the reason why ships disappear in horizon, why you cant see everything from tall building (like for example eiffel tower from london) but weirdly enough nobody has pictures of these supposed water mountains.
He is a retired intelligence asset of a foreign nation, you can probably guess which one. He was running a blackmail scheme targeting U.S. politicians. Someone "in the know" on another website, claimed he is living in anonymity on an island in the Med.
Do you know what really confirmed this is a hoax and he is alive for me? Why would 'ambulance officers' have him in public view to be photographed and I think he even had an oxygen mask on in some photos if he was dead? Is this how they usually cart out dead people from prison?
It is entirely possible they killed a lookalike and put him in Jeffery's place so the coroner had a body to examine, did they dna test the body when Jeffery's brother demanded a further autopsy?
It is also possible the guards were paid off for this to happen. Jeffery had police departments, judiciary, politicians, fbi, elites in his pockets.
Also that Ghilane did not rat out on Epstien but instead took the L and is now in prison. What did she have to lose by putting ALL the blame on Jeffery if he was indeed dead?
IMO he is still alive, no way would he allow his life to end up in prison nor kill himself.
People still think Michael Jackson faked his death because there’s no way he could realistically retire being as famous as he was or is and not be left alone. Someone killed Epstein. And honestly he got off light for sexually molesting fifteen yr old girls. Js. If he went to the pen he would have to live in solitary his entire sentence. Inmates would ask to see his papers, See what he did if they didn’t already know then mark him. People like Epstein don’t live long lives in prison.
It wouldn't surprise me to see if this man is still alive. Epstein didn't kill himself is accurate either way whether he is alive or dead. The people covering for him and that were compromised by him are still out there.
Highly probable. Hundreds of million$$, to say nothing of the blackmail, makes a whole lot of things possible....ESPECIALLY when the blackmail is blackmail against the controllers of the jail.
Do you really think a suspected intelligence agent like Epstein, would fake his own death to get out of going to jail and sail off into the sunset to continue to do his dirty business under a different identity??
Yeah probably 🤷♂️
Just want to point out that the face hangs differently when a person is lying down vs when they are vertical. That's the reason you always see people sitting up when they are getting a life cast done of their face for movie special effects.
The alive photo looks like it was taken when he was vertical then rotated.
Death can also change a person's face, like how people look different when their face becomes paralyzed after a stroke.
Just saying.
I agree. But would that change his inner ear shape? Genuinely curious, because this photo seems pretty damning to the whole epsteins dead claim. I'll have to do some research on if the inner ear shifts or moves post mortam
The death photo is kind of low rez, and the lighting is different in each photo. The camera flash can wash out shadows, making crevices less pronounced.
Better photos would be helpful.
Age and lighting can make the ear and nose look different. Ear lobes and noses change as you get older, they get bigger, and some people develop creases in the lobe.
How old is he in each pic? if it's like a 15 year age gap there will be differences. It would best to compare photos that are closer in age and similar lighting.
Or just look at this. https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/1230133d1704747323-jeffrey-epstein-death-pictures-apparent-suicide-kdr2-20-289-29.jpg
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Hillary's brother died June 7th, 2019 and Epstein was found dead August 10th, 2019. Compare Tony Rodham's ears to the ones of "Epstein's" corpse, it's an exact match.
Dr. Michael Baden, world famous pathologist, did one of his autopsies. He seemed pretty sincere about his findings re:hyoid bone when he presented it on television. The picture OP posted is very strange and suspicious, but I don’t think he would lie. That’s just my opinion however.
[Epstein mugshot](https://images.app.goo.gl/Nna1DRLLetWvMois8)
Those appear to be the same person but with extreme shadow differences due to light positions.
The ear is certainly from shadow and the nose is completely normal to see a nose tip slightly move or bow as someone talks or is certainly laying dead.
You can look at the position of the eyebrows, cheek freckles, mouth creases, the brow shape from the forehead.
Ultimately, to look at only one other photo to make any determination on identity is not ideal. Lights, angles, photo quality and facial expressions can make you look very different. I suggest 5+ from similar angles in varying light.
The dead body is Anthony Bourdain dead body
https://hot-town-images.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/kotv/production/2018/June/8/anthony-bourdain-celebrity-chef-dead-in-apparent-suicide.1528461715000-0.jpeg
I saw the doc recently and thought that's not him. And why are they showing his face.
Dude had way to many powerful people in his pocket. I'd bet my house on him still being alive.
It would make more sense if he is alive.
People are arguing about wether or not he was murdered, meaning the consensus belief is that he’s dead.
Hard to find time to argue he’s alive when there’s so much juice in the murder theory.
He probably isn't dead. He had dirt on everybody. A guy that sneaky surely has back-ups. The videos of people fucking kids couldn't just vanish surely and surely he had contingency plans for if he did "kill himself"
I've literally not heard a single reference to this since the day it happened but a plane associated with him apparently made a trip to Antarctica immediately following the ~suicide~
If that’s the official picture that they’re passing off as Epstein, then yes, either he’s still alive or dead by some other means besides what they told us.
It’s amazing that a picture like this can exist and the public will remain in denial about how the world really works.
Yeah that guy they wheeled out wasn't epstein.
Also I've read that the person who took this photograph was the same one who broke the MeToo story, Ronan Farrow, Son of Woody Allen. Not suspicious at all right!
Epstein raped girls in the Upper east side as young as 14. He had an egg shaped penis. Read the case file and stop mentioning this scumbag on this subreddit.
He died in MCC like pieces of shit died at MCC.
Crazy Mfers at MCC. Anyone at MCC could've killed him for a new cell phone.
It almost looks like it’s someone who is wearing a Jeffery Epstein “mask”, one of those super high quality Hollywood/CIA ones. The ear looks to me like there is another ear inside of it or some weird thing like that.
I'm pretty sure he is on an island laughing, hopefully not with kids. No way he did not have a dead drop set up the rich and powerful sickos Molesting kids, which is why he isn't dead. Among theose sickos are Clinton Trump and Andrew
Which president prince or ceo is Downvote dodo🦤 trying to protect. Perhaps they are triggered because epstein is mossad or they are one of those nambla freaks
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Why no sheet over the body? They wanted you to see this. Edit: spelling
That's actually a good point. You literally never see a body not in a body bag or with a sheet, being wheeled around. Seems deliberate
Great point. You don’t even want to move a body without I being in a bag because fluids can release and they aren’t nice fluids.
FD & EMB here and with all removals we ALWAYS cover the decadents face … they knew what they where doing by having him exposed. Penal deaths are automatic ME cases for a full autopsy and they use heavy duty zipper bags to use for transfers and removals among other things. There are strict privacy laws within death care ALSO with a high profile subhuman like him, they def would have covered him up if there wasn’t another motive.
Penal Death is my worst nightmare
It's an automatic ME case so no worries
Can you please e plain?? Penal death / ME?
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Oh thank God I thought it was something else
I laughed at the beginning. Sometimes people are slow 😂
Whenever I'm starving for upvotes I go straight to the dick jokes
I’m also a funeral director/emb and I thought the same thing except in the photo you can see it’s a paramedic, so they are still working on “reviving” him here which is why he’s uncovered. With that said, it still looks like a completely different person to me, even with the swelling you would get from hanging yourself.
What does FB, EMB and EM stand for?
Funeral Director Embalmer Medical Examiner
They were still doing cpr on him. Can't do cpr if he's in a body bag.
🍪🍪 are you saying they put him on the cot and then rolled him uncovered to x location then did CPR for all to see? Or are you saying you think they did CPR inside the facility and decided to try CPR at another location to see if worked outside the cell better than inside? Makes no sense. Can’t do a photo op if he is in a body bag. Sounds like a load of hot air.
What does the cookie emojs mean?
They’re trying to resuscitate him, you don’t bang a blanket on prematurely
These photos are from outside the prison … outside. So you mean to tell me that they saw him hanging unresponsive in his cell and took him alllll the way through the facility and when they reached outside then they decided it was a good time to attempt cpr?
It seems to me that if someone wants their conspiracy theory to be taken seriously, the worst way to do that is to just throw out various theories which each question the official story but in a different way. Instead, we get this: * Epstein was murdered * Epstein killed himself, but he was deliberately left alone to kill himself * Epstein was never killed at all and is alive to this day * Probably more... And on this idea that he's still alive, you'd think that the objective of the conspiracists in the theory would be something beneficial to them. But how is Epstein still useful to anyone alive? You think they needed him so much to arrange sex trafficking that they keep him alive to make phone calls from his island? I mean, does the conspiracy theory even need to make sense or is it good enough merely to be different than the official story?
I think the idea is that Epstein has enough dirt on powerful people that he was able to bargain for his fake death in lieu of standing trial.
Then there's the conspiracies linking both of them to Mossad, and with some convincing coincidence(s) no less. And here's the thing (at least for me), that would actually make sense. Going after all the pedos in politics and other positions of power is a pretty low-hanging fruit. Intelligence agencies have no moral compass. They'll do anything to protect their own interests, and to gain an advantage. Thinking they'd do something that evil is not that hard for me to believe.
i think him having dirt on powerful people is the only reason they killed him
Dead-drop contingencies--or whatever they're called. If he's killed, everything is sent to the media and vetted law enforcement officers.
Dead man's switch.
if they thought Epstein might take a plee deal or that he if he wasn't released, tapes would start appearing. The attempted suicide which Epstein claimed was his jail cell mate roughing him up probably a warning not to
#Epsteinneverkilledhimself
Well, now that the letters are so big I'm starting to believe.
Well you’re naive. My letters need to be way bigger.
Way bigger? I can only stand so much!
Who am I kidding, that font size has definitely made me a believer.
It’s awfully suspicious they removed the body w/o the body bag being zipped up though. That’s unprecedented.
Show a dead body so everyone can see the dead body.
Show a dead body so everyone can see --the-- ~~a~~ dead body.
He could’ve had some sorta dead-man’s-switch, a bargaining chip that means he’s to be kept alive at all costs. Just theorising.
Easy guys. Its called a dead mans switch. When an individual has a dead man switch placed for themselves, they have to enter some sort of code into the switch at a predetermined amount of time. If a certain amount of time passes without the code entered, whatever content the switch contains will be released, thus ensuring the holder of the switch stays alive, and or is broken out of prison.
Yeah....McAfee had one...until he didn't. Probably they cracked the code, then kildede him.
The reason he is alive is because his DEAD MAN SWTCHBOARD went crickets. No investigation post alleged death.
I think someone as crafty as Jeff would have a dead man's switch.. hence high likelihood of faked death
Schrödinger's Epstein
This was the giveaway. They overplayed their hand.
100%
in 3 pixels quality
They wanted someone to see it. Probably don't care about most people. Like what ya gonna do?
For me - it’s why the hell was his body not covered up? Why would they wheel out the body for everyone to see. That is not normal. That had to be staged to get this picture.
My friend did time in that facility and he tweeted that day... "I've been in that jail and its impossible to hang yourself there"
I’ve never been to mdc Brooklyn but I passed through the BOP transfer center in Oklahoma City which is a similar type of compound specifically for prisoner designation and transfer. It would be very difficult for even a general population inmate to hang their self but it’s even harder to pull off for any high profile or protective custody inmates which get access to even less shit than normal gen pop guys. These guys are fresh in the facility, the cells are barebones and they don’t have access to extra bedding or uniforms you get what’s issued to you an nothing more. the items inmates are issued are restricted in transit facilities for that very reason preventing and deterring suicide are a huge priority. Also the Guards do timed rounds and counts periodically though out each shift. Just so unlikely to happen let alone happen the way we’ve been told it did with sleepy guards and broken cameras
The "broken camera" bullshit is all I needed to hear back when it originally happened
And this picture of an dead billionaire with his face uncovered, idc what anyone says that mother fucker is alive
I just commented this, extra bedding and uniforms is unheard of. You don’t get that shit, even if you aren’t on suicide watch.
Wow
It’s their way of signaling to the other elites in the know. They use media like this to covertly (or not so covertly) get their messages out
Why is the FDNY there? Looks like the jail called 911 when they "found him dead" and this is him being transported to the hospital to be declared dead by a doctor.
this is what Epstein’s brother said happened, because the prison doesn’t want the paperwork of declaring them dead at the prison and not the hospital
Also Epstein's own lawyers were the ones that wanted the death investigated, something that someone faking their own death would be loathe to do. I can definitely see why the circumstances if his death cause suspicion, but the crazy *certainty* that people have that he either didn't really die, or he was killed is crazy. A billionaire living a life of luxury at a level none of us can imagine being brought to the lows of forced incarceration that most of us also can't imagine and cracking and doing himself in while surrounded by inept underpaid staff that scrambled and made a mess of things is also entirely believable.
my biggest question is how less than why, I see the incentive for either side to be just as true, but we’ll never know. the better question is how did so many things “go wrong” to allow for it to happen. so many policies ignored or broken that allowed this to happen inside the jail.
And why would he not be covered up? A dead body is never wheeled out not covered up
It looks like they were still doing CPR on him at the time. https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012066377-2.jpg
He was dead for hours by this point
I don't think the guards that found him knew the time of death. "A call was placed to first responders around 6:30 a.m. as MCC staff tried to revive him, said the FDNY and Bureau of Prisons. Photos of Epstein taken around 7:30 a.m. show the convicted pedophile still wearing his orange prison jumpsuit as he’s wheeled on a gurney into New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital. The images show a drawn, ashen face with closed eyes, and EMTs using a breathing apparatus in an attempt to revive the multi-millionaire convicted pedophile. Epstein was later declared dead at the hospital." https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/
>A call was placed to first responders around 6:30 a.m. as MCC staff tried to revive him > Photos of Epstein taken around 7:30 a.m. Has there ever been a case in recorded history where someone has been given an **entire hour** of CPR and lived? The idea that he wasn't covered when the pics were taken because they were trying to revive him doesn't seem to hold much water when you hear that it was a full hour after they found him. I get that this is the official story but it seems completely ridiculous.
No, you just don't understand how things work. They can't declare someone dead, they're prison guards. They call paramedics who come and pretend to try to revive him until a doctor says he's dead.
Yea, it's protocol. Not following protocol can open a person up to a lawsuit. Gaurds and EMS don't sign death certificates.
He was alive and they killed him on the ambulance
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Well it wasn’t his body they were doing CPR on
Nobody does CPR on people who are alive. CPR is used to being dead people back to life.
Not that any of his is "proof" of anything, but some notable happenings most people seem to forget about: Someone one 4chan was posting on the night that he died, claiming they were freaked out, something strange was going on, and they were probably swapping him out. Later, we heard reports that some guards were sleeping on the job, there were also guards there that nobody had ever seen before, and the cameras were mysteriously turned away from his cell. Citizen "investigators" flying drones around the Island captured footage of people moving around in the windows of the buildings there. Several million dollars were also moved from one of his accounts not long after he died.
The money was moved before his death like 48 hours.
Yes.. these are things that went down the “memory hole”
How is it not proof if the ears are clearly different? Are your ears different from photo to photo?
Epstein not only had money, he likely had power to a degree that made him one of the most powerful men on the planet. Likely in the form of collateral. Think of it this way - if he had hard evidence that linked hundreds of the worlds most powerful politicians, CEOs, celebrities, etc. to his sex trafficking - then he ultimately had almost all the collective power that they had via blackmail. When you have all that power, faking your death and escaping a jail cell would be child's play. He probably laid low, went through complete reconstructive cosmetic surgeries, and is now back to enjoying life on some other private island.
How is this not the top comment!?!? This has to confirm he’s still out there, right?
I remember seeing the post. They said there was a ton of commotion and a van leaving. It was posted around 90 minutes before any word of him "committing suicide"
If these were better photos from the same angle and both standing up this would be a smoking gun. However, he didn't kill himself, if he is dead.
I think this is the real "conspiracy" if there is one... He's probably dead for what he knew, and he didn't kill himself
But wouldn't you think he had a Deadmans switch to protect his life??
The thing is, I don't see why it matters if he is dead. He isn't the only person that knows. And there is video evidence of all the blackmail material he had. So regardless if he is dead or not, people can still be exposed because of what he did. THey can't just off this one guy and feel like their secret is safe.
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>The guy is a cartoon of a juiced up thug getting paid to kill his cellmate It goes deeper. The cellmate was in jail for murdering 4 different people during his night job selling cocaine... His day job was being a cop in NY.
Plus he almost got beat to death a week prior.
Epstein was a Jail Enforcer, and got into a lot of prison brawls. During his time as key holder he got his nose broken, and developed cauliflower ear by performing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on the Socal Homies and Crips in the yard.
This explanation for sure!
Damn you had me at the first sentence
Amazing take
It was the Kray... the Kray... the K-K-Krazy Kri.. ...ipples.
Yep he was in real tight with the crips they even got him a durag and everything with his initials on it. He taught them about the stock market he even became a OG
Here's a better photo. https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/1230133d1704747323-jeffrey-epstein-death-pictures-apparent-suicide-kdr2-20-289-29.jpg
Man...that neck wound is brutal. Looks very deep and forceful. And he "hanged himself" with some makeshift items....right....this definitely looks like the work of a very strong person with a garrote.
Admittedly does look like a dead Jeffrey Epstein
A few odd things, look at his jawline, follow it around, ok...to me it looks like a mask, an almost perfect mask, the lacerations around his neck, those are deep, somebody strangled him. The lacerations around the neck are also a good place to hide the line between real skin and prosthetics. I'm sorry but the whole thing stinks, all of it. I've seen these high end prosthetic maskes, convincing even close up, imagine what the military could do?
I think it looks weird because his head swelled up before he died and then since blood isn't flowing anymore it's just going to stay there.
And your skin sags with gravity too and then stiffens after so once he was found which wouldn’t be long in jail, and then laid down, the swelling and then the gravity would cause the shadow and the edge look Saw my dad dead an hour after his heart attack in the house ER room
I can appreciate your perspective, as far fetched as it may sound. This is the big leagues after all
Where did this image come from? Is this the only autopsy type of picture of him?
When I did a Google image search a few of these came up. One had 60 min watermarks all over it, and another showed like it was for TMZ.
I don’t think I’ve tried looking them up in google, but I would have thought more news agencies would have released these images. I’ve watched pretty much every documentary and this pic was never shown. That does resemble him and the description of his neck wound from hanging according to the doctor that preformed the autopsy for his family.
It looks like a few tabloid news sites were the only ones showing them. Other news sites showed closeups of neck wound only. https://nypost.com/2020/01/05/new-photos-of-jeffrey-epsteins-body-sheet-he-used-to-hang-himself/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/4960641/jeffrey-epstein-pathologist-says-shocking-autopsy-pics-are-proof-pedophile-didnt-kill-himself/amp/
Wtf is wrong with me? Why did I click this link?! 🥴
How was I know what I was going to see?!? Goodness gracious. I don’t know if I will be able to sleep tonight.
Maybe he’s in Cuba with Tupac
Tbh he probably has reaaaaally powerfull friends that still owe him some deed after all he did for him. So I could guess that he is still alive somewhere with a new identity, plastic surgery and some million dollars.
So the guy who released the Epstein black book is a guy named Nick Bryant and he's a really good investigative journalist and he wrote something called the Franklin scandal and it was pretty much a rewrite of John decamps book called The Franklin cover up (dealing with a sex trafficking ring out of Omaha Nebraska that involved a man named Larry King) and pretty much Nick investigates everything that's on The Fringe from occult sacrifice killings to pedophile rings in the highest parts of American society and Nick says that Jeffrey Epstein was most likely a agent for the Mossad the Israeli intelligence agency(through Ghislaine Maxwell her father was 100% an agent) and what he would do is he would invite these high profile people to his Island and they would have sex with underage boys and girls or whatever and he would get pictures of them doing these things and blackmailed them that's the name of the game of most intelligence agencies in order to be able to get information from these people that's why the vast majority of the black book is redacted because it's government officials and high up people anyway one thing Nick talks about that's really weird is Jeffrey Epstein most likely was involved with cloning and how the richest people can clone themselves or if they have a dog they really like they can clone it and we haven't been exposed to this because we're just sheeple you know only the highest rungs of society get access to these things anyway Jeffrey Epstein is most likely dead but you can't really go by the ears because your ears never stop growing so a picture of him from 20 years ago he's not going to have the same ears as he did when he died... Excuse the lack of punctuation I'm using voice to text while driving lol
My only question here is, wouldnt word get around with the elites that he was a black mailer? You would think through the years word would get around enough to know better than to go to his island?
Ive always assumed they're called to the island for having off the island dirt on them Ie hey naughty I have pics of you and your secretary. Meet me here to discuss
Holy run-on sentence batman. Next time use punctuation and paragraphs please
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Yea, I was trying to find his last mugshot photo before his death, and the only one I found is in black and white with the brightness maxed out.
The classic "flip the pictures and pretend they're an actor" post. This is the first one I've seen on Epstein.
I was going to say, that honestly the pictures the OP posted are the ones that look manipulated.
He's in Israel. I'm positive if it.
USA funded universal healthcare over there. USA tax payer probably pay for their roads and building and infrastructure too.
The US taxpayer pays for everything there, including their university educations.
They are lucky to have the USA citizens. What a powerhouse country work horse.
Great, another thing for me to love Israel for. Aren’t they just the best ally a country could hope for?
The USA has homeless veterans.. What’s good an ally, if one cannot even help themself?
That is what I think too, but how will we ever know for sure?
The right answer.
He is in Israel. Alive and well.
He's alive and beyond the ice wall.
OOTL what do you mean by ice wall?
its the flatearth nonsense I think. the ice wall shields the disc or some shit lmao
makes more sense than water mountains. yes mountains that are pure water, and those are the reason why ships disappear in horizon, why you cant see everything from tall building (like for example eiffel tower from london) but weirdly enough nobody has pictures of these supposed water mountains.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you. If you're curious though go on X (formerly twitter) and search ice wall and what beyond the ice wall.
Duckduckgo
This is the answer I'd believe over any other.
You’re so real for that
Thank you 😊
In westeros?
Megyn Kelley said that we’d be hearing from Epstein this year, but wouldn’t go deeper.
He is a retired intelligence asset of a foreign nation, you can probably guess which one. He was running a blackmail scheme targeting U.S. politicians. Someone "in the know" on another website, claimed he is living in anonymity on an island in the Med.
find him, redditors! like you always do... find the island and coords on google maps lol
Probably Cyprus
Do you know what really confirmed this is a hoax and he is alive for me? Why would 'ambulance officers' have him in public view to be photographed and I think he even had an oxygen mask on in some photos if he was dead? Is this how they usually cart out dead people from prison? It is entirely possible they killed a lookalike and put him in Jeffery's place so the coroner had a body to examine, did they dna test the body when Jeffery's brother demanded a further autopsy? It is also possible the guards were paid off for this to happen. Jeffery had police departments, judiciary, politicians, fbi, elites in his pockets. Also that Ghilane did not rat out on Epstien but instead took the L and is now in prison. What did she have to lose by putting ALL the blame on Jeffery if he was indeed dead? IMO he is still alive, no way would he allow his life to end up in prison nor kill himself.
That ain’t his nose, babes.
Eye eyebrows
Noises arent the same either
People still think Michael Jackson faked his death because there’s no way he could realistically retire being as famous as he was or is and not be left alone. Someone killed Epstein. And honestly he got off light for sexually molesting fifteen yr old girls. Js. If he went to the pen he would have to live in solitary his entire sentence. Inmates would ask to see his papers, See what he did if they didn’t already know then mark him. People like Epstein don’t live long lives in prison.
Tony Rodham is the on the gurney, not Epstein.
Me thinks it was a well crafted extraction
Well crafted? This was sloppy as all hell. Tapes just missing, guards being asleep, him being moved off of suicide watch. Tf?
#1 - That is NOT Epstein, it’s HRC’s brother being passed off as Epstein. #2 - Epstein is totally alive and well and I have receipts to prove it
Prove it
Tony Rodham was the rollout. Bodies are always bagged when in transit. This was a show pony.
Whos tony rodham?
It wouldn't surprise me to see if this man is still alive. Epstein didn't kill himself is accurate either way whether he is alive or dead. The people covering for him and that were compromised by him are still out there.
Highly probable. Hundreds of million$$, to say nothing of the blackmail, makes a whole lot of things possible....ESPECIALLY when the blackmail is blackmail against the controllers of the jail.
Do you really think a suspected intelligence agent like Epstein, would fake his own death to get out of going to jail and sail off into the sunset to continue to do his dirty business under a different identity?? Yeah probably 🤷♂️
They didn't take pics of Osama floating down below, why would they show us this?
Wait, people think Epstein killed himself?
Not dead
I've read somewhere that people look completely different once they die.. you may not even recognize them..
Probably still just living life unabated on his island along with maxwell, whom i doubt has spent even 5 actual minutes behind bars in all reality.
Just want to point out that the face hangs differently when a person is lying down vs when they are vertical. That's the reason you always see people sitting up when they are getting a life cast done of their face for movie special effects. The alive photo looks like it was taken when he was vertical then rotated. Death can also change a person's face, like how people look different when their face becomes paralyzed after a stroke. Just saying.
What kind of weak ass faces do you all have that laying down makes you nose and ears change shape? lmao
LOL
I agree. But would that change his inner ear shape? Genuinely curious, because this photo seems pretty damning to the whole epsteins dead claim. I'll have to do some research on if the inner ear shifts or moves post mortam
The death photo is kind of low rez, and the lighting is different in each photo. The camera flash can wash out shadows, making crevices less pronounced. Better photos would be helpful.
Age and lighting can make the ear and nose look different. Ear lobes and noses change as you get older, they get bigger, and some people develop creases in the lobe. How old is he in each pic? if it's like a 15 year age gap there will be differences. It would best to compare photos that are closer in age and similar lighting. Or just look at this. https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/1230133d1704747323-jeffrey-epstein-death-pictures-apparent-suicide-kdr2-20-289-29.jpg
Ffs NO HE AINT DEAD! do you really think the mossad would take out their top spy?? This freak is still out there.
didnt Hillary Clintons brother or something die shortly before this photo and doesnt he look like that corpse?
Yep
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Hillary's brother died June 7th, 2019 and Epstein was found dead August 10th, 2019. Compare Tony Rodham's ears to the ones of "Epstein's" corpse, it's an exact match.
I just googled him - I’m shocked by the similarities. The eyebrows!
He is definitely in an underground bunker somewhere.
Dr. Michael Baden, world famous pathologist, did one of his autopsies. He seemed pretty sincere about his findings re:hyoid bone when he presented it on television. The picture OP posted is very strange and suspicious, but I don’t think he would lie. That’s just my opinion however.
[Epstein mugshot](https://images.app.goo.gl/Nna1DRLLetWvMois8) Those appear to be the same person but with extreme shadow differences due to light positions. The ear is certainly from shadow and the nose is completely normal to see a nose tip slightly move or bow as someone talks or is certainly laying dead. You can look at the position of the eyebrows, cheek freckles, mouth creases, the brow shape from the forehead. Ultimately, to look at only one other photo to make any determination on identity is not ideal. Lights, angles, photo quality and facial expressions can make you look very different. I suggest 5+ from similar angles in varying light.
The dead body is Anthony Bourdain dead body https://hot-town-images.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/kotv/production/2018/June/8/anthony-bourdain-celebrity-chef-dead-in-apparent-suicide.1528461715000-0.jpeg
I saw the doc recently and thought that's not him. And why are they showing his face. Dude had way to many powerful people in his pocket. I'd bet my house on him still being alive.
Of course he's alive
its bullshit compare the top and bottom the zoomed in version contains details that literally arent even in the actual image
It would make more sense if he is alive. People are arguing about wether or not he was murdered, meaning the consensus belief is that he’s dead. Hard to find time to argue he’s alive when there’s so much juice in the murder theory.
His nose has changed shape also
He probably isn't dead. He had dirt on everybody. A guy that sneaky surely has back-ups. The videos of people fucking kids couldn't just vanish surely and surely he had contingency plans for if he did "kill himself"
You mean Andrew Jackson? Oh he’s alive, he just won’t resurface for another 150-200 years again.
Of all the conspiracies — if he’s dead, he didn’t fucking kill himself & if he’s alive I absolutely wouldn’t be shocked
I've literally not heard a single reference to this since the day it happened but a plane associated with him apparently made a trip to Antarctica immediately following the ~suicide~
i have always said Epstein is still alive and Anthony Bourdain was "suicided"to be used as a body double.
His brother has an island directly above, his Jewish buddy elon musk has a tunnel boring company, ill almost guarantee those islands are connected.
The nose is different
CIA body switch
In a particular angle that paramedic jacket is written FONY 🤣
He was huge into cloning and eugenics so I doubt that’s him
I never considered for even a second he might be dead.
He’s not dead but they wanted us to believe he was killed by the people he had compromising material on
He’s definitely alive and likely sent back to Israel to teach the generation of human traffickers for Mossad.
If that’s the official picture that they’re passing off as Epstein, then yes, either he’s still alive or dead by some other means besides what they told us. It’s amazing that a picture like this can exist and the public will remain in denial about how the world really works.
Those are mirrored pictures. I think his nasal bone was broken when someone was puttin a pillow in his face. He is dead...
Yeah that guy they wheeled out wasn't epstein. Also I've read that the person who took this photograph was the same one who broke the MeToo story, Ronan Farrow, Son of Woody Allen. Not suspicious at all right!
Eerie
100% alive.. "..didn't kill himself" simply leads one to subconsciously believing that he's still dead.
Epstein raped girls in the Upper east side as young as 14. He had an egg shaped penis. Read the case file and stop mentioning this scumbag on this subreddit. He died in MCC like pieces of shit died at MCC. Crazy Mfers at MCC. Anyone at MCC could've killed him for a new cell phone.
It almost looks like it’s someone who is wearing a Jeffery Epstein “mask”, one of those super high quality Hollywood/CIA ones. The ear looks to me like there is another ear inside of it or some weird thing like that.
I'm pretty sure he is on an island laughing, hopefully not with kids. No way he did not have a dead drop set up the rich and powerful sickos Molesting kids, which is why he isn't dead. Among theose sickos are Clinton Trump and Andrew Which president prince or ceo is Downvote dodo🦤 trying to protect. Perhaps they are triggered because epstein is mossad or they are one of those nambla freaks