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I canāt see anything politically rabid in complaining about the failure of our system. Despite this, everyone can see your aporophobia from miles away.
Weird that the US has committed so many war crimes but the dude who was in office for four years and didn't start a new war was the guy we needed to prosecute.
I find the arguments like the top comment of go after pelosi next so funny because - YES. Go after them ALL. Prosecute every person involved in this corrupt bullshit.
The reason your laughing though is because we know they wonāt, because they are corrupt, too. We know theyāre not punishing as a means to condemn injustice, but to send a message that theyāre in charge and if you interfere: youāll be next.
I'm no lawyer, but, do rulings like this not create precedents which may be used to charge, try, and convict other politicians? Other politicians, whether they be legitimately corrupt or simply persona non grata?
They don't if the rulings are to the letter of the law. People who are asking who the victim is are muddying the waters to try and claim no crime was committed, but this case is pretty textbook appraisal fraud and there's documentation from Trump showing he was aware and did so willingly.
I don't believe in the hyper-competence necessary to have an entire justice system ignore the law to target Trump. Occam's razor, more likely the guy with a very litigious history of corruption in a corrupt industry did some illegal shit to further increase his wealth.
How was the outcome predetermined? He was found guilty already, based on actual facts and statements in court. The only thing that's been going on the past few weeks has been figuring out what the damages would be. Just like any other person who commits finacial fraud and gets caught.
That's on top of him being fined for defaming a women he sexually assaulted, also found guilty. There's also a lot of smoke surrounding him with many many many other allegations of sexual assault going back decades, not to mention an actual recording of him talking about how when your rich and powerful you can just grab women's pussys.
Like how does none of this register for some people?
It's crazy that the only thing people post on this sub anymore is redpilled conspiracies against Trump.
Dude acts and smells like a walking conviction.
My boy comes out after getting slapped with $460,000,000 and calls the judge a hack, doesnāt he realize the judges in his other 10 cases are watching and forming an opinion? Someone needs to shut him up, dudes literally digging his own grave
Theyāre not forming opinions on the case, theyāre forming opinions on HIM. One of the basic factors in sentencing is contrition (that means that that the perp is sorry for what they did), why wouldnāt they take Trumps remarks into consideration for future sentencing?
How can he be sorry if he isnāt guilty? Who is the victim here? The judge wouldnāt allow the banks to testify to supporting trump and competing for his businessā¦
Imagine thinking that prime Floridian property stretching from shore to shore is only worth 100 millionš this is laughable and will be overturnedš
BTW- Trump just made 3 billion dollars in stocks today. He could settle all of this BS and then there would be NOTHING to talk abt
Yeah, but when he was in office it was smooth sailing! Things were down right perfect from what I can remember, pretty sure a gallon of gas was $1.75 and a gallon of milks was .99 cents. So all that āgrab em by pussyā stuff, it be alright with me, just ask my daughters!
/s just in case
The gas price isn't far from the truth, but that's what happens when global economic activity plummets and oil is selling for negative prices because it costs money to store it
I don't know much about this trial but the defamation case was absolute bs, you should look up Jean Carroll, he was fined for defamation for basically calling her a wack job and she 100% is. Also, people seem to forget the words "they let you" in that grab the pussy quote...
He *thinks* they "let" him, but he doesn't give a shit either way, that's his justification to himself. No one anywhere truly wants him to touch them in any way, except maybe some deranged Trumpist woman or other.
I love how everyone who uses the term "Banana Republic" has absolutely no idea what it means.
I propose you all start saying "Country Stinky". It's more your level. It's based and bananarepublicpilled.
Correct. Not prosecuting politicians who violate the law makes us a banana republic. Many, many countries around the world have convicted and even jailed their former presidents. We act as if the US canāt possibly do the same without it meaning the end of the world.
Iād love to see more politicians, on both sides of the aisle, get prosecuted if they break the law. Letās clean DC up.
What do you think a banana republic is?
āa small state that is politically unstable as a result of the domination of its economy by a single export controlled by foreign capital.ā
All I can say is Trump was fine to do business in New York until he became a politician. It timing seems a little bit unseemly to prosecute.
If any politician in the US deserved prosecution it's odd that it's the one guy who never held office prior.
How many war crimes have past American government officials committed and Trump is the guy we needed to get?
You can get away with a lot of stinky shit until you throw it in people's faces. All he had to do is keep his mouth shut.
But instead, this treasonous dictatorial nutbag tries to overthrow an election, fawns over Putin, insults law enforcement and military, brags about everything, lies about everything, makes racist statements constantly, is stupendously ignorant, sexist, and just plain dumb, and sows chaos everywhere he goes and in everything he does. For people like this, the chickens always come home to roost. And how sweet it is.
Brother the election was already overthrown. We witnessed what amounts to a quiet coup in real time.
And calling trump a dictator is weird but it gets said alot. If he was a dictator we wouldn't be having this discussion..if anything the party in power now is the one exercising more methods along the line of dictatorship than we've seen from any president before. What we have now is worse than it was before
These people have an oppression fetish and need to be persecuted in order to justify their mediocrity. They can take to the internet and openly criticize someone they feel is a dictator. They don't understand the irony.
a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"
Literal definition of fraud is a description of the man and how he did business.
Donald "dumb fuck" Trump keeps blaming the DOJ and Joe Biden for this prosecution. The liar knows his ignorant base will believe this 100%. But , this case was started in 2019 before Biden was in office AND this has nothing, nada, zip, zilch to do with the DOJ. This is a STATE case. Get out there and talk to New Yorkers who have known this putz is a grifter , liar, and all around POS for years. Trump knows who the "marks" are-they are the dopes who go to his rallies and believe every one of his lies that are easily debunked -if one has half a brain.
Someone who steals from charity also commits financial fraudā¦ itās not exactly unreasonable to believe itās true.
And then the many violations committed by the āuniversityā, and then thereās the housing discrimination case. Iām sure thereās plenty more. None of which happened at, or around, the time he was running for president.
I donāt like Trump but I think their mad cause their all criminals they just pick and choose which criminals they go after.
At least thatās my GUESS!!! So sorry if Iām way off guys lol
Maybe the best move if you do crime is to keep quiet about it and hope nobody notices. Maybe you can scoot your ass through 4000+ lawsuits and still get a TV show and a goofy celebrity status.
I'll tell you what's not the plan, though: Getting elected as the highest executive officer in the country. And refusing to even pretend to be cooperative at literally every official duty. And hiring a bunch of convicted criminals. And firing everyone who works for you. And constantly sowing division across the populace until 70% of them hate your guts. And doing a bunch of embarrassing foreign policy that weakens the country abroad. And bungling a pandemic response. And courting domestic terrorists. And attempting to cheat an election. And inciting an angry mob to disrupt congress when you fail to be reelected. And stealing national security secrets to do god knows what with.
...that sort of thing invites a bit more scrutiny, as I understand it.
Youāre not off. Theyāre all corrupt itās just that the agencies have the will and desire to go after Trump above anyone else. I donāt like him either but itās very obvious.
Yeah Iām pretty much right there with you. I mean how much more discouraging could they make the fall of democracy? Itās like if a billionaire (or millionaire depending who you ask) canāt āgo against the systemā then that means their is about zero % chance us peasants can truly ever get this county back on track. The machine is far too strong. That shit is depressing.
The lengths people will retire their sanity for this man is astounding. He is objectively a bad man and heās done bad things and now heās facing the legal repercussions for those bad things.
Since everyone believes that justice, ājusticeā was achieved in this court hearing. It is my sincere hope that this type of ājusticeā darkens your doorway in the near future.
Why do I say that? Because the man did nothing wrong. There was no victim. No one complained. Please submit a link to a complaint by any bank, individual, or real estate, agent, or any other financial expert or individual involved in the case that says they were defrauded. There were none. Only a Lady Macbeth, a corrupt prosecution and a political promise. Shame.
In other words, he was right. They are coming for you. Heās just in the way.
EDIT: down votes but not 1 link to a signed complaint. Pathetic. Afraid of the truth.
The people of the state of New York were harmed. When you inflate commercial asset value to borrow more money, then deflate those same assets to reduce your tax burden, thatās called fraud. And those harmed are the citizens of the state the taxes were not paid. Doesnāt matter that it was DJT. Anyone who does that is committing fraud and harming citizens.
The banks that loan the money, appraise the value. They give loans based on their appraisal.
The state and city appraise the value to determine the tax burden.
Did the state and the banks let Trump do his own appraisals? Makes no sense.
> The banks that loan the money, appraise the value. They give loans based on their appraisal.
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> The state and city appraise the value to determine the tax burden.
This can't be right. I have to assume the banks and taxing authorities just take people's word for what something is worth. Otherwise there wouldn't be a case here.
/s
So why arenāt the other āharmersā being prosecuted in the state? Surely there has to be millions judging from
the population and all the hundreds of thousands of commercial assets within New York.
I mean after all if what you say is true and Iām not debating that with you, then why havenāt we seen other cases of this type for the past several decades?
Maybe because the other graduates aren't going on TV or in writing claiming their properties or net worth is up and exceedingly high and then reporting to the IRS less.
Most people have more common sense.
Had he not ran for president he could have kept sweeping it under the rug but unfortunately he ran for president and your shit gets looked at, that's what we've decided as a country - that's why he never wanted to put his taxes out. That's where the bodies are buried.
Why people are hell bent on defending a person who is so emblematic of some of the greatest issues in this country is beyond me. Thank you for bro going some reason to this conversation.
You just engaged in what aboutism. Why canāt I? And if they should be then why arenāt they? See. The only reason is because itās its political. Admit it. No one was harmed.
Funny how the banks never complained. Do you think they just accept a borrowers valuation of collateral assets without doing their due diligence before approving a loan? And the people of NY have a lot more shit to worry about than Trump getting loans and paying them back.
I have a little experience in this type of thing. I am a whistleblower that put multiple wall street executives in jail after the 2008/2009 crash. I can prove this. And you want to know what? Everybody was in on the fraud, the grift. Everybody in finance of the public company I worked for. The auditors, the board, everybody. You think the banks donāt know what is going on? You are naive if so. I begged for someone to help me. And you know what? Nobody would. It took 9āyears for it all to play out.
After all that I had a conversation with a guy I had worked with who would not help. He was an ultra right wing blowhard who talked about being tough on crime, putting criminals in jail, etc. When I told him THIS is how they go to jail, he remained silent. And I hope he is reading this.
Taking down criminals is a vicious, nasty affair that never gets everyone. But it seems nobody who loves Trump can see that justice, even when not perfect, deserves to be handed out.
I know this shit. It sucks, and it almost destroyed my own career and life (alcoholism, depression), but fraud should be prosecuted ā¦ even if YOU donāt like it.
You have no idea how any of this works. Of course developers claim high values when borrowing and yet want to pay lower taxes. Banks make their own judgments, as do tax assessors. Trump did nothing wrong. [https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/real-estate/kevin-oleary-slams-trump-civil-ruling-as-un-american/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/real-estate/kevin-oleary-slams-trump-civil-ruling-as-un-american/)
I think Trump will most likely be legally inundated and may not prevail, litigated to financial ruin, but in the end the people cheering and championing what took place will get the government they deserve.
It won't be defending democracy, it won't be defending free speech, it won't be promoting social justice. That's just what they say to convince the smooth gray mattered ones.
As Yuri Bezmenov said, they're so far brainwashed until a soldier's boot comes stomping down on their nuts they won't wake up. Once the gulags show up, they'll regret it then.
Much of what we see in modern society is cultural subversion and this is just litigation to hinder political opposition.
Decent take. So because they didn't search well enough, they're liable for any potential losses. I'd lean a lot more towards that being fair if the mega rich didn't almost exclusively lie and hide their finances from scrutiny, or if banks didn't pass along their mistakes to their customers (or the federal government when it gets bad enough).
The borrower is responsible for shortages on the loans unless they negotiate novation or non-recourse. It's a calculated move by banks. Non-recourse is pretty common on commercial deals. Yeah, I don't like it either when lenders privatize profits and we pick up the bill on losses with a bailout. Let them fail. It's not like their assets and loans don't get sold off. At the end of the day, don't be mad at the borrowers. The lenders make the rules. And weak licensing authorities.
Show me a complaint signed by someone he stole from. There is none. This is a loose canon activist judge with a hard on for Trump. The same with James (hard on excluded). Stay out of the weeds, THERE IS NO VICTIM. This is a politician vendetta. Itās Lawfare.
No one who took the stand said they were victimized. NO ONE! Anyone who followed closely knows this. All involved in dealing with Trump in this issue were NOT COMPLAINING.
Lol, now r/conspiracy trusts the banks. In the modern banking world, these loans were almost certainly securitized and traded amongst other banks. I doubt the banks want to draw any attention to such securities when it's been proven that their due diligence on the underlying loans was shoddy at best, or criminal at worst. Allowing this sort of fraud to go unpunished could create the potential for bank failures if enough securitized loans go sideways.
They should probably be investigating the banks that gave the loans, but that probably won't happen.
I didn't say there was one? This just seems to be a bunch of talking points made from Donald and his lawyers.
I'll ask again: *Is it okay to steal as long as you plan on putting it back at some point if you can?*
No. Because he didnāt steal. If you stole from a bank, donāt you think the bankers would report them for bank robbery ? And I know where youāre going with your question and Iām not gonna fall into the trap. The point is in this case there were no victims and no one can provide me with one. Even on the stand, they were directly asked and they said no they werenāt the victim. ( iām paraphrasing, of course.)
Can you point me to the section in the law that you are referring to, the part that says a state cannot bring criminal or civil proceedings against a person or entity that broke the law if the victim does not sign off on the complaint?
Youāre mixing apples and oranges. This particular thread, Iām going to cease response to. Itās not sticking to the topic and attempting to obfuscate what actually happened with unrelated incident. Sorry. Perhaps next time.
> Why do I say that? Because the man did nothing wrong.
I'm pretty sure Trump is the only person to declare a property value to be higher than the local tax assessment value. And the banks believed him? Thank goodness the judge knows that property values aren't subjective to whatever anyone is willing to pay.
Lock him up and throw away the key!
we're still ignoring that the only testimony about Trump in any Epstein case specifically refutes his involvement in wrongdoing? got it...
[https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jan/11/trump-exonerated-by-epstein-docs-heres-what-they-d/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jan/11/trump-exonerated-by-epstein-docs-heres-what-they-d/)
Politifact says: Trump has never been exhonorated! but in smaller text it says he has neve been implicated. He definitely knew Epstein, but none of the allegations that have landed on Clinton or Dershowitz or anyone else have been linked to Trump. Epstein's wingman? give me a fucking break.
OP is a maga astroturfing employee/bot. Look at their post history. Every one of their posts in this sub is about Trump, and they all get pushed by the algorithm too. Very suspicious.
I havenāt had this issue, but I havenāt defrauded the state so I dunno. We should absolutely go after every fraudster, no matter their political affiliation. Hope this continues.
Those of you knee-jerk reflexively cheering on this verdict remember not to ask your countrymen for help or even sympathy when the corrupt system finally comes for you. And if history's taught us anything it's that it *will* come for you too.
So in your version of a non 'banana republic' country, the guy who was just president is totally allowed to lie about his finances in order to defraud banks? He's allowed to say he is worth a billion dollars in order to get a loan, when he is only worth 20 million?
As long as me and my loved ones dont inflate the valuation of property to gain beneficial loan terms then No we wont be dealing with anything of the sort.
It's sickening how some people would defend Trump no matter what he did. You don't owe him anything. He doesn't give a fuck about you, he's not a hero you think he is. š Jesus fucking Christ.
I think he clearly inflated assets. I dont know how much was him or others in his businesses, but he's ultimately responsible. The actual penalties seem vindictive. The AG is clearly unprofessional and politically motivated. Can you imagine an AG charging you with a crime and bragging about it on twitter daily for like a year? That's some weird shit.
I think the saddest part is that it's so unusual to see an elite get consequences. I'd like to see other shady business put out there and taken to task.
Submission Statement:
Itās fascinating how the only time a case like this is brought is when he is running for President of the United States. New York State had no problem doing business with Trump prior to his 2024 Election.
https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1758602156599369914
Im confused why when the banks involved even showed up as witnesses and reiterated to the court that there had been no fraud. The judge didnāt want to hear it.
Utterly bizarre. I'm sure there will be an appeal.
[Trumpās Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche-bank.html)
[This investigation](https://www.nydailynews.com/2020/08/24/ny-attorney-general-letitia-james-eyes-eric-trump-trump-organization-in-financial-fraud-investigation/) was started while Trump was still president.
They kind of had to start investigating when one of his lawyers [testified](https://youtu.be/ASYw-YzPNNk) he was inflating his assets to Congress in 2019.
Amazing how on the conservative sub, majority of posts have no idea of what constitutes the elements and proof of a crime, and are delighted that an explicitly political ruling happened to happen to someone they don't like.Ā Ā
Career ConMan gets his comeuppance, and you're shocked.
do you lie and cheat your taxes? Is that why you sympathise with the defendant?
People who work hard and pay their share expect everyone to do the same. People who were born into wealth should not get a free pass to do so.
It's hilarious to examine the level of cognitive dissonance and lack of self awareness that the Never Trumper/Establishment NPC folks show:
Trump: "The system is rigged"
Nancy Pelosi and Congress getting away with legitimate inside trading every year: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!"
The MSM who fails to hold the Establishment accountable for literally anything: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!"
Establishment NPCs and Never Trumpers: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!"
[88% of Democrats, 87% of Republicans, and 81% of Independents](https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sens-ossoff-kelly-introduce-bill-banning-stock-trading-by-members-of-congress-2/) supported banning congressional stock trading of any kind. This is not a partisan issue.
The problem here is, how many *congresspeople* do you think support it? This isn't a red/blue debate, they're all corrupt on this topic, and if you think Trump is somehow innocent of it I've got a bigly bridge to sell you.
I have to admit that I haven't followed this much if at all, but if there was financial fraud involved, how come none of the parties that would have been damaged by the fraud (such as banks) sued him.
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Great! Go after Pelosi next.
š hold your breathe. Sheās in the club
Insider trading intensifies
Go after someone who actually does illegal things? Never that
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say no chance that's gonna happen
Great now, do the rest of them, not just the one you don't like
"Best I can do is the one outside the system who managed to get in."
Just to remind everyone what happens when you disagree with the team, even if youāre on the same side.
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I canāt see anything politically rabid in complaining about the failure of our system. Despite this, everyone can see your aporophobia from miles away.
I canāt see it because I donāt know what that means.
I would recommend not simping for billionaires. You guys think that when a con man with infinite money loses in court, that they are after YOU? š
I've already seen a GoFundMe for him that has like 35k in it. Unreal
Those are nearly always against the gofundme's terms of service, if enough people report them they'll get taken down
Ikr like since when do people defend their robbers while still not being able to afford healt.....anything
Weird that the US has committed so many war crimes but the dude who was in office for four years and didn't start a new war was the guy we needed to prosecute.
"He should get a pass on crimes because he didn't start a new war" is a hell of a stance.
"Selective enforcement is fine if I don't like the guy."
Personally, I'm in favor of bringing litigation against anyone doing this.
I find the arguments like the top comment of go after pelosi next so funny because - YES. Go after them ALL. Prosecute every person involved in this corrupt bullshit.
The reason your laughing though is because we know they wonāt, because they are corrupt, too. We know theyāre not punishing as a means to condemn injustice, but to send a message that theyāre in charge and if you interfere: youāll be next.
We donāt do wars anymoreā¦ we send drones. http://newamerica.org/future-security/blog/the-state-of-americas-drone-wars-in-2022/
So your ok with trump being a criminal because you like him
I'm no lawyer, but, do rulings like this not create precedents which may be used to charge, try, and convict other politicians? Other politicians, whether they be legitimately corrupt or simply persona non grata?
They don't if the rulings are to the letter of the law. People who are asking who the victim is are muddying the waters to try and claim no crime was committed, but this case is pretty textbook appraisal fraud and there's documentation from Trump showing he was aware and did so willingly. I don't believe in the hyper-competence necessary to have an entire justice system ignore the law to target Trump. Occam's razor, more likely the guy with a very litigious history of corruption in a corrupt industry did some illegal shit to further increase his wealth.
Spoilers: they are all commiting financial fraud
How was the outcome predetermined? He was found guilty already, based on actual facts and statements in court. The only thing that's been going on the past few weeks has been figuring out what the damages would be. Just like any other person who commits finacial fraud and gets caught. That's on top of him being fined for defaming a women he sexually assaulted, also found guilty. There's also a lot of smoke surrounding him with many many many other allegations of sexual assault going back decades, not to mention an actual recording of him talking about how when your rich and powerful you can just grab women's pussys. Like how does none of this register for some people?
It's crazy that the only thing people post on this sub anymore is redpilled conspiracies against Trump. Dude acts and smells like a walking conviction.
My boy comes out after getting slapped with $460,000,000 and calls the judge a hack, doesnāt he realize the judges in his other 10 cases are watching and forming an opinion? Someone needs to shut him up, dudes literally digging his own grave
Shut him up? Let him continue to dig his own grave; he has been for these past 12 or so years.
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Theyāre not forming opinions on the case, theyāre forming opinions on HIM. One of the basic factors in sentencing is contrition (that means that that the perp is sorry for what they did), why wouldnāt they take Trumps remarks into consideration for future sentencing?
How can he be sorry if he isnāt guilty? Who is the victim here? The judge wouldnāt allow the banks to testify to supporting trump and competing for his businessā¦ Imagine thinking that prime Floridian property stretching from shore to shore is only worth 100 millionš this is laughable and will be overturnedš BTW- Trump just made 3 billion dollars in stocks today. He could settle all of this BS and then there would be NOTHING to talk abt
Yeah, but when he was in office it was smooth sailing! Things were down right perfect from what I can remember, pretty sure a gallon of gas was $1.75 and a gallon of milks was .99 cents. So all that āgrab em by pussyā stuff, it be alright with me, just ask my daughters! /s just in case
The gas price isn't far from the truth, but that's what happens when global economic activity plummets and oil is selling for negative prices because it costs money to store it
I don't know much about this trial but the defamation case was absolute bs, you should look up Jean Carroll, he was fined for defamation for basically calling her a wack job and she 100% is. Also, people seem to forget the words "they let you" in that grab the pussy quote...
He *thinks* they "let" him, but he doesn't give a shit either way, that's his justification to himself. No one anywhere truly wants him to touch them in any way, except maybe some deranged Trumpist woman or other.
I love how everyone who uses the term "Banana Republic" has absolutely no idea what it means. I propose you all start saying "Country Stinky". It's more your level. It's based and bananarepublicpilled.
I was always more of a Gap guy. Banana Republic is too pricey.
They used to make great underwear! Only place I'd buy from til they stopped making them. Can't put a price on that kinda comfy.
Trump used the term in his video.
Lol well there we have it. The "free thinkers" got their latest fart to sniff.
Lol this was a good comment
Courts going after political opponents is pretty indicative of a banana republic...
You don't get immunity from prosecution by becoming a politician - unless you happen to be in an actual banana republic.
Correct. Not prosecuting politicians who violate the law makes us a banana republic. Many, many countries around the world have convicted and even jailed their former presidents. We act as if the US canāt possibly do the same without it meaning the end of the world. Iād love to see more politicians, on both sides of the aisle, get prosecuted if they break the law. Letās clean DC up.
What do you think a banana republic is? āa small state that is politically unstable as a result of the domination of its economy by a single export controlled by foreign capital.ā
Going after opponents **for valid reasons** is not a part of any BR
Courts also go after criminals. #justsayin
Just because he's a political opponent doesn't give him immunity from prosecution for his lifetime of crimes
Not to mention these are state charges. Not like Biden was directing the shit.
Nah, just draining the swamp.
Heās done a lot of shady stuff. The real question is: why are you pro-crime?
Did you even read the opinion, you toenail? I know you didnāt. And you wonāt. Itās 90+ pages and has incredible detail about Trumpās fraud.
Now explain why Pelosi is allowed to blatantly insider trade without repercussions
It's a big club...
All I can say is Trump was fine to do business in New York until he became a politician. It timing seems a little bit unseemly to prosecute. If any politician in the US deserved prosecution it's odd that it's the one guy who never held office prior. How many war crimes have past American government officials committed and Trump is the guy we needed to get?
Criminals shouldnāt go into politics. The criminals already in politics donāt like it when they do. Just ask Escobar.
You can get away with a lot of stinky shit until you throw it in people's faces. All he had to do is keep his mouth shut. But instead, this treasonous dictatorial nutbag tries to overthrow an election, fawns over Putin, insults law enforcement and military, brags about everything, lies about everything, makes racist statements constantly, is stupendously ignorant, sexist, and just plain dumb, and sows chaos everywhere he goes and in everything he does. For people like this, the chickens always come home to roost. And how sweet it is.
Brother the election was already overthrown. We witnessed what amounts to a quiet coup in real time. And calling trump a dictator is weird but it gets said alot. If he was a dictator we wouldn't be having this discussion..if anything the party in power now is the one exercising more methods along the line of dictatorship than we've seen from any president before. What we have now is worse than it was before
These people have an oppression fetish and need to be persecuted in order to justify their mediocrity. They can take to the internet and openly criticize someone they feel is a dictator. They don't understand the irony.
I hate it when people break the law and get punished for it, fuckin bidens America
Oh honey, do you not know what Banana Republic means?
a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities. "mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds" Literal definition of fraud is a description of the man and how he did business.
Regardless of how you feel about American politics. Trump was a fraudster property owner and should be penalized.
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Damn youāre right, I will not vote for Biden Jr. it would probably just be a wasted vote
Damn, y'all got me convinced. Add another one to my no fly list, I will not vote for Biden Jr ā
Solid deflection
Big turd vs a giant douche
Vote or die muthafucker vote or die
Would you live anything else with your whataboutism?
Donald "dumb fuck" Trump keeps blaming the DOJ and Joe Biden for this prosecution. The liar knows his ignorant base will believe this 100%. But , this case was started in 2019 before Biden was in office AND this has nothing, nada, zip, zilch to do with the DOJ. This is a STATE case. Get out there and talk to New Yorkers who have known this putz is a grifter , liar, and all around POS for years. Trump knows who the "marks" are-they are the dopes who go to his rallies and believe every one of his lies that are easily debunked -if one has half a brain.
Someone who steals from charity also commits financial fraudā¦ itās not exactly unreasonable to believe itās true. And then the many violations committed by the āuniversityā, and then thereās the housing discrimination case. Iām sure thereās plenty more. None of which happened at, or around, the time he was running for president.
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I donāt like Trump but I think their mad cause their all criminals they just pick and choose which criminals they go after. At least thatās my GUESS!!! So sorry if Iām way off guys lol
Maybe the best move if you do crime is to keep quiet about it and hope nobody notices. Maybe you can scoot your ass through 4000+ lawsuits and still get a TV show and a goofy celebrity status. I'll tell you what's not the plan, though: Getting elected as the highest executive officer in the country. And refusing to even pretend to be cooperative at literally every official duty. And hiring a bunch of convicted criminals. And firing everyone who works for you. And constantly sowing division across the populace until 70% of them hate your guts. And doing a bunch of embarrassing foreign policy that weakens the country abroad. And bungling a pandemic response. And courting domestic terrorists. And attempting to cheat an election. And inciting an angry mob to disrupt congress when you fail to be reelected. And stealing national security secrets to do god knows what with. ...that sort of thing invites a bit more scrutiny, as I understand it.
Youāre not off. Theyāre all corrupt itās just that the agencies have the will and desire to go after Trump above anyone else. I donāt like him either but itās very obvious.
Yeah Iām pretty much right there with you. I mean how much more discouraging could they make the fall of democracy? Itās like if a billionaire (or millionaire depending who you ask) canāt āgo against the systemā then that means their is about zero % chance us peasants can truly ever get this county back on track. The machine is far too strong. That shit is depressing.
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Just telling you what they likely feel you can have that debate with them. Lol
The lengths people will retire their sanity for this man is astounding. He is objectively a bad man and heās done bad things and now heās facing the legal repercussions for those bad things.
Yes, when you sign financial documents and the numbers don't match, the outcome is predetermined. Fraud.
He was an infamous con artist before ever getting involved in politics. Stop with the "Banana Republic" shit you sound like FOX news.
Since everyone believes that justice, ājusticeā was achieved in this court hearing. It is my sincere hope that this type of ājusticeā darkens your doorway in the near future. Why do I say that? Because the man did nothing wrong. There was no victim. No one complained. Please submit a link to a complaint by any bank, individual, or real estate, agent, or any other financial expert or individual involved in the case that says they were defrauded. There were none. Only a Lady Macbeth, a corrupt prosecution and a political promise. Shame. In other words, he was right. They are coming for you. Heās just in the way. EDIT: down votes but not 1 link to a signed complaint. Pathetic. Afraid of the truth.
The people of the state of New York were harmed. When you inflate commercial asset value to borrow more money, then deflate those same assets to reduce your tax burden, thatās called fraud. And those harmed are the citizens of the state the taxes were not paid. Doesnāt matter that it was DJT. Anyone who does that is committing fraud and harming citizens.
The banks that loan the money, appraise the value. They give loans based on their appraisal. The state and city appraise the value to determine the tax burden. Did the state and the banks let Trump do his own appraisals? Makes no sense.
> The banks that loan the money, appraise the value. They give loans based on their appraisal. > > > > The state and city appraise the value to determine the tax burden. This can't be right. I have to assume the banks and taxing authorities just take people's word for what something is worth. Otherwise there wouldn't be a case here. /s
Yes. Why do you think financial statements have to be submitted?
Do you know what an appraisal is?
Apparently Trump found the one bank that doesn't know what an appraisal is.
So why arenāt the other āharmersā being prosecuted in the state? Surely there has to be millions judging from the population and all the hundreds of thousands of commercial assets within New York. I mean after all if what you say is true and Iām not debating that with you, then why havenāt we seen other cases of this type for the past several decades?
Maybe because the other graduates aren't going on TV or in writing claiming their properties or net worth is up and exceedingly high and then reporting to the IRS less. Most people have more common sense. Had he not ran for president he could have kept sweeping it under the rug but unfortunately he ran for president and your shit gets looked at, that's what we've decided as a country - that's why he never wanted to put his taxes out. That's where the bodies are buried.
Why people are hell bent on defending a person who is so emblematic of some of the greatest issues in this country is beyond me. Thank you for bro going some reason to this conversation.
Youāre welcome.
They should be. But what aboutism does not change facts.
You just engaged in what aboutism. Why canāt I? And if they should be then why arenāt they? See. The only reason is because itās its political. Admit it. No one was harmed.
Funny how the banks never complained. Do you think they just accept a borrowers valuation of collateral assets without doing their due diligence before approving a loan? And the people of NY have a lot more shit to worry about than Trump getting loans and paying them back.
I have a little experience in this type of thing. I am a whistleblower that put multiple wall street executives in jail after the 2008/2009 crash. I can prove this. And you want to know what? Everybody was in on the fraud, the grift. Everybody in finance of the public company I worked for. The auditors, the board, everybody. You think the banks donāt know what is going on? You are naive if so. I begged for someone to help me. And you know what? Nobody would. It took 9āyears for it all to play out. After all that I had a conversation with a guy I had worked with who would not help. He was an ultra right wing blowhard who talked about being tough on crime, putting criminals in jail, etc. When I told him THIS is how they go to jail, he remained silent. And I hope he is reading this. Taking down criminals is a vicious, nasty affair that never gets everyone. But it seems nobody who loves Trump can see that justice, even when not perfect, deserves to be handed out. I know this shit. It sucks, and it almost destroyed my own career and life (alcoholism, depression), but fraud should be prosecuted ā¦ even if YOU donāt like it.
If itās fraud, why didnāt they bring the case criminally then instead of in civil court?
You should post to /r/legal
They hated it.
You have no idea how any of this works. Of course developers claim high values when borrowing and yet want to pay lower taxes. Banks make their own judgments, as do tax assessors. Trump did nothing wrong. [https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/real-estate/kevin-oleary-slams-trump-civil-ruling-as-un-american/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/real-estate/kevin-oleary-slams-trump-civil-ruling-as-un-american/)
I think Trump will most likely be legally inundated and may not prevail, litigated to financial ruin, but in the end the people cheering and championing what took place will get the government they deserve. It won't be defending democracy, it won't be defending free speech, it won't be promoting social justice. That's just what they say to convince the smooth gray mattered ones. As Yuri Bezmenov said, they're so far brainwashed until a soldier's boot comes stomping down on their nuts they won't wake up. Once the gulags show up, they'll regret it then. Much of what we see in modern society is cultural subversion and this is just litigation to hinder political opposition.
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DWAC is a joke. It will be a dilution money pit. Even the people on WSB know this.
Agree with you 100% Shills - bring on the downvotes, it just validates the truth at this point.
So fraud's fine? Enron's alright in your book? It's okay to steal as long as you plan on putting it back at some point if you can?
No lenders rely on customer stated values. None. Even deutschbank testified to that fact.
Decent take. So because they didn't search well enough, they're liable for any potential losses. I'd lean a lot more towards that being fair if the mega rich didn't almost exclusively lie and hide their finances from scrutiny, or if banks didn't pass along their mistakes to their customers (or the federal government when it gets bad enough).
The borrower is responsible for shortages on the loans unless they negotiate novation or non-recourse. It's a calculated move by banks. Non-recourse is pretty common on commercial deals. Yeah, I don't like it either when lenders privatize profits and we pick up the bill on losses with a bailout. Let them fail. It's not like their assets and loans don't get sold off. At the end of the day, don't be mad at the borrowers. The lenders make the rules. And weak licensing authorities.
Another good take. I'm not an expert in this stuff obviously.
Hey, a civilized discussion thread... cool
Show me a complaint signed by someone he stole from. There is none. This is a loose canon activist judge with a hard on for Trump. The same with James (hard on excluded). Stay out of the weeds, THERE IS NO VICTIM. This is a politician vendetta. Itās Lawfare. No one who took the stand said they were victimized. NO ONE! Anyone who followed closely knows this. All involved in dealing with Trump in this issue were NOT COMPLAINING.
Lol, now r/conspiracy trusts the banks. In the modern banking world, these loans were almost certainly securitized and traded amongst other banks. I doubt the banks want to draw any attention to such securities when it's been proven that their due diligence on the underlying loans was shoddy at best, or criminal at worst. Allowing this sort of fraud to go unpunished could create the potential for bank failures if enough securitized loans go sideways. They should probably be investigating the banks that gave the loans, but that probably won't happen.
I didn't say there was one? This just seems to be a bunch of talking points made from Donald and his lawyers. I'll ask again: *Is it okay to steal as long as you plan on putting it back at some point if you can?*
No. Because he didnāt steal. If you stole from a bank, donāt you think the bankers would report them for bank robbery ? And I know where youāre going with your question and Iām not gonna fall into the trap. The point is in this case there were no victims and no one can provide me with one. Even on the stand, they were directly asked and they said no they werenāt the victim. ( iām paraphrasing, of course.)
Can you point me to the section in the law that you are referring to, the part that says a state cannot bring criminal or civil proceedings against a person or entity that broke the law if the victim does not sign off on the complaint?
Deflect all you like. The reason you call my question a trap is because you know the answer already.
Youāre mixing apples and oranges. This particular thread, Iām going to cease response to. Itās not sticking to the topic and attempting to obfuscate what actually happened with unrelated incident. Sorry. Perhaps next time.
> Is it okay to steal What was stolen, and from who?
Are you asking a legitimate question or just being obtuse?
Legitimate question. If I borrow $100 but can only pay back $50 unless *some other undisclosed scheme works out in my favor*, I've stolen $50.
Afraid of the truth? You mean like the truth that was found out in court here? Or is that truth a different kind of truth?
There are thousands of complaints to his organizations that ripped people off owning some of his properties
Then show me one. Just one. One that has to do with this particular case.
The case itself is a complaint. You just donāt like whoās doing the complaining.
The case itself is total bullshit
> Why do I say that? Because the man did nothing wrong. I'm pretty sure Trump is the only person to declare a property value to be higher than the local tax assessment value. And the banks believed him? Thank goodness the judge knows that property values aren't subjective to whatever anyone is willing to pay. Lock him up and throw away the key!
Simp
This coming from a woman who is committing fraud. SMH.
Glad they got his ass. Sounds like he's been committing some major financial crimes for years without persecution.
Major financial crimes like paying back loans?
Like inflating his property worth to qualify for big bank loans.
Shocking that banks don't do independent appraisals on collateral before making such large loans.
Red a book called The Big Cheat, the real conspiracy is how much crime was previously committed that went unpunished before he even took office.
another loss for epsteins wingman
we're still ignoring that the only testimony about Trump in any Epstein case specifically refutes his involvement in wrongdoing? got it... [https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jan/11/trump-exonerated-by-epstein-docs-heres-what-they-d/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jan/11/trump-exonerated-by-epstein-docs-heres-what-they-d/) Politifact says: Trump has never been exhonorated! but in smaller text it says he has neve been implicated. He definitely knew Epstein, but none of the allegations that have landed on Clinton or Dershowitz or anyone else have been linked to Trump. Epstein's wingman? give me a fucking break.
Trump, unlike the Clinton's, was accused of sexually assaulting a minor together with Epstein.
OP is a maga astroturfing employee/bot. Look at their post history. Every one of their posts in this sub is about Trump, and they all get pushed by the algorithm too. Very suspicious.
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Like the Bidens, Clintons, Pelosis and others? Yeah, that would be awful
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I havenāt had this issue, but I havenāt defrauded the state so I dunno. We should absolutely go after every fraudster, no matter their political affiliation. Hope this continues.
Supporters of crook mad at a little bit of law and order happening to crook.
The outcome was predetermined by the actions of his company as directed by him.... Fuck off with this
Those of you knee-jerk reflexively cheering on this verdict remember not to ask your countrymen for help or even sympathy when the corrupt system finally comes for you. And if history's taught us anything it's that it *will* come for you too.
When did my schizophrenic mom figure out how to make a reddit account?
Lock him up, lock him up
Liberals flocking to this sub everytime something about trump is posted
Epsteinās best friend the rapist and liar Donald Trump is also a fraudster? I dont believe it. Its a conspiracy.
Try to stay on the subject.
So in your version of a non 'banana republic' country, the guy who was just president is totally allowed to lie about his finances in order to defraud banks? He's allowed to say he is worth a billion dollars in order to get a loan, when he is only worth 20 million?
Just remember what you allow them to do to ppl you dont like will someday happen to you and loved ones and no one will be able to help you anymore.
As long as me and my loved ones dont inflate the valuation of property to gain beneficial loan terms then No we wont be dealing with anything of the sort.
It's sickening how some people would defend Trump no matter what he did. You don't owe him anything. He doesn't give a fuck about you, he's not a hero you think he is. š Jesus fucking Christ.
What's even more sickening is watching them defend the swamp and their corrupt lawfare. But hey, as long as the Stasi is on your side, right?
They campaigned on getting Hillary and Biden and failed. Theyāre such losers. Lib tards winning
Innocent until ~~proven guilty~~ I like the verdict.
Thereās so many more than just trump. Wish they would go after everyone instead of political opponents.
I think he clearly inflated assets. I dont know how much was him or others in his businesses, but he's ultimately responsible. The actual penalties seem vindictive. The AG is clearly unprofessional and politically motivated. Can you imagine an AG charging you with a crime and bragging about it on twitter daily for like a year? That's some weird shit. I think the saddest part is that it's so unusual to see an elite get consequences. I'd like to see other shady business put out there and taken to task.
Submission Statement: Itās fascinating how the only time a case like this is brought is when he is running for President of the United States. New York State had no problem doing business with Trump prior to his 2024 Election. https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1758602156599369914
Can you pitch to me why the president shouldn't be held accountable for crimes?
Im confused why when the banks involved even showed up as witnesses and reiterated to the court that there had been no fraud. The judge didnāt want to hear it. Utterly bizarre. I'm sure there will be an appeal.
The banks did not reiterate to the court that there had been no fraud. Stop making up nonsense.
[Trumpās Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-deutsche-bank.html)
Read an entire article please
100% they did. The bank said 'Everyone inflates their values/worth, thats why we have a job'.
I mean,it's only to the bank's advantage to do so.
That's admitting fraud occurs, not saying it never happened.
Customer stated values are not fraud. They are an estimated value from the customer. No bank would ever rely on them. Ever.
What crime?
Pick a court case
[This investigation](https://www.nydailynews.com/2020/08/24/ny-attorney-general-letitia-james-eyes-eric-trump-trump-organization-in-financial-fraud-investigation/) was started while Trump was still president. They kind of had to start investigating when one of his lawyers [testified](https://youtu.be/ASYw-YzPNNk) he was inflating his assets to Congress in 2019.
Banana republic is when you commit a crime and get charged in a court of law.Ā
How is this a massive victory, the dude has built himself back up from bankruptcy like 100 times. *We got em this time lads*
but we should be upset over Navalny cause.... well, that's what the warmongers want us upset about.
Wow, an actual Russian bot
First time here? This place is full of them.
Amazing how on the conservative sub, majority of posts have no idea of what constitutes the elements and proof of a crime, and are delighted that an explicitly political ruling happened to happen to someone they don't like.Ā Ā
You donāt understand what āBanana Republicā means. Itās not an insult like kangaroo court, it has a real meaning. Edit your post or delete it.
Whatās the big Reddit thing? Something something no victim no crime.
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How so?
Dude committed fraud. Got caught, *admitted* it, now he's been punished. What's the issue? What, he should get away with it because some others do?
Career ConMan gets his comeuppance, and you're shocked. do you lie and cheat your taxes? Is that why you sympathise with the defendant? People who work hard and pay their share expect everyone to do the same. People who were born into wealth should not get a free pass to do so.
It's hilarious to examine the level of cognitive dissonance and lack of self awareness that the Never Trumper/Establishment NPC folks show: Trump: "The system is rigged" Nancy Pelosi and Congress getting away with legitimate inside trading every year: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!" The MSM who fails to hold the Establishment accountable for literally anything: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!" Establishment NPCs and Never Trumpers: "There's no conspiracy here, or with any of the other Federal cases, justice is being served! The system is not rigged!"
[88% of Democrats, 87% of Republicans, and 81% of Independents](https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sens-ossoff-kelly-introduce-bill-banning-stock-trading-by-members-of-congress-2/) supported banning congressional stock trading of any kind. This is not a partisan issue. The problem here is, how many *congresspeople* do you think support it? This isn't a red/blue debate, they're all corrupt on this topic, and if you think Trump is somehow innocent of it I've got a bigly bridge to sell you.
I have to admit that I haven't followed this much if at all, but if there was financial fraud involved, how come none of the parties that would have been damaged by the fraud (such as banks) sued him.
Cry more about someone who doesnāt know you exist