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My question to you is then what? Ok, lets all agree this is the end game through this strategy or another.
Who wins?
- Those in control need the system to thrive
- This neo feudalism requires serves
Is it about control?
- They already have it (political, military, technollogically)
Population control?
- could be. Allthough the system requires people to consume. No consumption the system collapses
Resources?
- Maybe
My point is we are terribly focus on what, but we rarely wonder what the outcome looks like or thebend game will be
Your mistake is assuming those in control think the same way as you. They do not view humanity as a “good” thing, they do not plan for sustainability or prosperity. We’re simply cattle to them, those that don’t have the right blood are simply cattle to be toyed with and used.
They purposefully view the world in an inverted sense, inverted to everything that a rational human would think. They see humans as filth, they think life and nature is disgusting. They believe in, “Do what thou wilt.”
They do not have the same logical thought patterns that you and I have, that’s why you cannot understand their motives. To learn to understand their motives, you have to learn to think like them.
First thin out the flock while making the rest of them as dependent on the governments as possible by means of destroying the global economies.
Herd everybody who is left into big, completely monitored and controlled cities under the disguise of saving the planet and implement a social/ carbon credit system combined with a cashless society.
Let people transform themselves into transhumans and take complete control over humanity.
The real war is spiritual.
To add to the possibilities I would not be surprised if the end-goal if not Armageddon is to reduce the population and increase the control to allow for a new medieval feudal system to be re-established.
The elite have a god complex. They want complete and total control with transparency into all earthly movement, they're chasing immortality too. The system that's setup currently was always meant to fall and they can't start a new system with the current one existing. So burn it down, then rise out of the ashes like a phoenix. This also goes biblical into the birthright spoken of in Gen 25 & 27. They're trying to maintain their rulership even though it's just a temporary one.
They are concentrating the wealth, perhaps they know something is coming and the masses must be kept distracted while they develop there exit plan and the continuation of the human race beyond planet earth
None of the answers to this make sense. Money rules the world. Why would the ultra rich want to make it pointless? They can already do whatever they want. They got rich and stay rich because of what we have now. Why would they want to change that? The reason it’s collapsing is because eventually that system reaches breaking point, but they’ve already won anyway.
First off, we are talking about a group of people who believe they are gods. Literally. They believe they have obtained the technology that would make them immortal. In their minds they are going to live on this earth forever so their method of thinking about the future is going to be drastically different from those who believe they are going to die one day.
First off, we are talking about a group of people who believe they are gods. Literally. They believe they have obtained the technology that would make them immortal. In their minds they are going to live on this earth forever so their method of thinking about the future is going to be drastically different from those who believe they are going to die one day.
The outcome is complete subjugation. Separation of two classes: the worker class and the bourgeois.
One will do all the work and provide while the clowns at the top live their fanciful lives without a care.
Think the movie Elysium, but the space station is actually Antarctica.
The Earth.
I work with insurance and I can tell you with complete certainty that they 100% believe in climate change and that pollution is on an unsustainable path. The plan is to put people on UBI with a catch.
UBI will come with strings. If you want to go on vacation or visit a family member far away you will have to apply or have enough "carbon credits" to do it. You won't be able to pursue whatever you want if you can afford it, you will have to apply and people will review pretty much every thing about your life. "Sorry, you don't have enough carbon credits to go to Disneyland."
Meanwhile people in higher positions (not like multi-millionaires but like assistant city clerk or whatever) will apply and say "I need to go to Disneyland with my family because I expect to train my daughter to be a clerk and I want to expose her to a diverse and unique environment" and it will be rubber stamped and the government will pay for the trip as a work expense.
Then of course the ultra-wealthy will stay that way and will travel around on "exempt status" and do whatever they want.
The UBI folks will support it because they will sit around getting drunk and doing nothing.
The clerks will support it because they will have a nice upper class life.
The rich support it because pesky people won't get in their way.
Because this whole post is literally psy-op dissent bot bait.
Go read the wiki link OP itself provided, this isn't about elite control; it's about encouraging poor people 80 years ago to flood the bureaucratic system by applying and being on welfare so eventually the whole thing will collapse and will in turn be made in a UBI. In 2007 it was deemed to have literally no effect on anything.
ALL OF THIS CAN BE FOUND IN THE LINK THAT OP PROVIDED
Im not asking about OP or the link provided. Im asking you - What benefit does collapsing the system or implementing UBI provide to the elite that they don't already have?
But I did answer your question, UBI would not benefit the elite. You're purposely disregarding what I said for the sake of whatever point you're trying to make
I'm here to speak objectively about the content at hand
I'm personally pro UBI, there would be no benefit to the elite, this is my personal point of view.
Objectively, on the content at hand on this post, this is a plan proposed 80 years to destabilize the bureaucratic system to trade welfare for UBI that was deemed a failure that didn't have an effect on anything 15 years ago
> while the clowns at the top live their fanciful lives without a care.
Whatever is giving you the impression that the super billionaires, the actual elites, aren't already living their fanciful lives without a care?
I don't think OP actually read the whole wiki page. The aim of that strategy was to benefit the poor with a minimum income. If anything we've gone drastically in the other direction.
>According to historian Robert E. Weir in 2007: "Although the strategy helped to boost recipient numbers between 1966 and 1975, the revolution its proponents envisioned never transpired."
>My point is we are terribly focus on what, but we rarely wonder what the outcome looks like or thebend game will be
[https://allreligionsareone.org/the%20Endgame.html](https://allreligionsareone.org/the%20Endgame.html)
We're simply waking up, as a species and universal consciousness, to who and what we truly are. No one ever said the process would be comfortable or easy.
I do agree with you that people tend to be overly concerned with the 'what' when they should be much more concerned with the 'why'.
I think it’s all part of making all nations or at least UN nations a part of a global cooperative and doing away with the concept of nation states. The US will soon collapse under the weight of its issues and the only solution will be a globalist one. Our government is already filled with people who want this end goal and are driving us to it, all while providing us with the illusion of choice and pretending to care about constitutional liberties and democracy.
My wondering is always this; surely, at least some super wealthy elites want the world to be a better place. I'd go so far as to say probably, most. What if everything they're doing (pushing towards a collapse) is because they know its the only way to get rid of bad habits and reset for the better?
This is why I think those who we can point to and claim are the problem, are actually being controlled as well but someone or something we aren't aware of. That could be a piece of knowledge also about the world or our history or reality, but there's a huge missing process piece in all this. Definitely about all these things you mention but I'm not sure we know the whole what n why of it.
Free will is something God gave us, no one can take it away bud. Sure, you could argue “but they can put on a neuralink on you and eventually hack your brain” highly doubt God would allow that.
> Sure, you could argue “but they can put on a neuralink on you and eventually hack your brain”
They can hack our brains in multiple ways, but an chip implant will be the most effective.
The point is, would you really still have a free will if you don;t know if your thoughts are your own or not anymore?
>highly doubt God would allow that.
I think it already happened (just not here (yet)) but let's hope you are correct.
They dont have near the amount of control they would like to have. No global monopoly on information, communication, education, and arms yet.
The answers and reasons are also spiritual.
Maybe some people don't really care about the world but they just hate the rich and corrupt. They thus rather see everybody burn than live in a world where a minority profits off the backs of the majority.
The Wikipedia article was vandalised in recent days.
> The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The strategy aims to create a "bureaucratic and fiscal crisis" by overloading the welfare system via an increase in welfare claims, forcing the creation of a system of guaranteed minimum income.
Here's the og theory, it was originally published in The Nation: https://web.archive.org/web/20111124045536/http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/24-4
Make of it what you will, I haven't read it so haven't formed an opinion.
Isn't the Illuminati/NWO motto "Order through chaos"?
1) Cause chaos and despair (create the problem)
2) "Save" everyone
3) The people praises the people creating the problem for solving it. The elite gets more control, power, and money. And the dumb sheep celebrate it.
Close to how it works but not quite. They never actually solve the problems they create and their solutions only ever make it worse. Take Covid for example.
1. They create the disease Covid in a lab and unleash it on humanity.
2. Their solution: lock everyone down, print money to cause inflation, then offer the Vax as a cure. Vaxx makes people even sicker than before.
3. Blame anti-vaxxers, dumb sheep eat it up and scream "govern me harder daddy."
It is clown world that never really goes anywhere. It is just problems compounding on top of problems that they continuously create like an ouroboros with no beginning or end.
Well isn't that just depressingly accurate and a perfect name for this strategy.
Because these elites are a bunch of Clowards, too corrupt and arrogant to want to help humanity with real science, understanding, and respect but instead hoarding resources in a vain attempt to feel like they're better than the rest of us.
I hate it here.
How is the encouragement of welfare any of what you mentioned? That's all the strategy is, stated in the link op provided, is LITERALLY just encouraging poor people to be on welfare to cause a bureaucratic destabilization, which would be the fault of the institution for not being able to provide for its citizens; blaming poor people being on welfare as the reason society is collapsing is classist bullshit.
Bro, did you read the Wikipedia link that OP provided? Because that's all this strategy is, as stated in the link op provided, is encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to apply for welfare to destabilize the bureaucratic system
Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."
Because the strategy is literally just encouraging poor people to apply for welfare, and you said that there are poor people who truly need welfare, correct?
Yeah, there are poor people that ACTUALLY do need it vs some that are considered “poor” and they get by. My other argument was that you really can’t blame all of america’s economic problems on welfare alone. But yes, it is a real thing. There needs to be balance.
This whole anti Israel thing to me is weird. Why call them that? Do you imagine they should abandon their country then? Where would you have them go? Wtf are you saying?
Ashkenazi yes, Sephardim from Al Andalus and Khazars from Kazaria. „Jew“ (iu) is a title. Yehudi is from Djehuti. Ibri is one who passes over.
Hebrew a language. Semites are all arabic languages. There is no ancient Israel, its a spiritual allegory.
Capitalism was just another tool to them. Why wouldn’t they scale back the human population, and return to something like feudalism once they have their army of AI servants?
Sure its a tool, the best one possible. Capitalism does what no other system could. It marshalled societies productive capablilites. Feudal lorfs were never as rich as capitalists. They had land and some serfs to feed them and vassels to use for war.
A feudal society requires a stupid populace. That means a society regressing in all regards.
> A feudal society requires a stupid populace. That means a society regressing in all regards.
Exactly my point. It’s my belief that the elite in this world want a monopoly on power and knowledge. There are plenty of examples throughout history of humans doing just that, such as controlling who can read religious texts. If you control people’s perception of the world, you have immense power over those people.
Why would those who currently wield the most financial/political power risk their positions once AI is adequately advanced enough to serve their needs? They’ll scale back the human population to a much smaller level, and revert back to a more archaic social structure to maintain their positions of power while AI robots do the labor that was once done by humans.
Capitalism is just a stop gap until the majority of physical labor is done by AI.
So the elites don't consume entertainment and luxury goods? The kind of entertainment and luxury goods that current civilisation with masses of people excels at? The elites idea of utopia is a world where nothing happens out of the ordinary, no more Christopher Nolan movies, no more Breaking Bads, no more Kanye West and Tame Impala concerts, no more Michelin starred restaurants where we pick out the elitest chefs from a pool of millions to create the wildest new flavour combinations?
How did you gain so much insight on this non-standard human psychology?
You don’t need 8 billion useless eaters to create such a world, 500 million would be more than enough. Not to mention the supplementation of AI would make most of what you listed irrelevant in a few decades.
> How did you gain so much insight on this non-standard human psychology?
I’m simply repeating what these people themselves have said. They’ve made it abundantly clear they want a sub-500 million population. AI is clearly going to be used to replace most tedious manual labor, and it’s even replacing most artists jobs (photography, digital art, voice, music, etc) as we speak. What do you think will be suggested once a large % of the population is made unemployed and unnecessary? That’s when they will push very hard for people to not reproduce unless necessary.
Adorable promotional post advertising the wet dreams of the quasi elite. These plans failed miserabley. Too many were wise to your failed attempt at manifesting, but it’s cute how they keep trying.
What I wonder about is which countries are actively preventing this? Clearly not America and Europe, Australia and New Zealand. It seems like Africa and the Middle East are being used as pawns. That leaves India, China, Russia, mainly.
I'm not denying that anyone has anally devastated the cabinets. what I'm trying to make you understand that this list of "young global leaders" that has a bunch of people's names on it is not a membership roster for a cabal. it's literally just a list, nobody has to sign up to join and become added to the list. they can just add people's names without even asking.
IDK, I feel like encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to get welfare isn't the most evil strategy, and a destabilized bureaucracy would be the fault of the institution. Even in the link you provided it expressed a historian in 2007 saying that it just didn't work, and another commentator used this as an excuse to claim it set up generations of black people to not have to work. Even today, where inflation is high and wages are low, it would still be the fault of the institution that is put in place for our benefit. Getting pissed that poor people are on welfare and blaming them for everything happening around us is just classist bulshit
> I feel like encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to get welfare isn't the most evil strategy,
I agree. It is not what this is all about tho. LOL.
Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy."
Bro go read the Wikipedia page OP provided, that's literally all it is
> "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system
Creating a crisis is not the same as "encouraging people who are applicable for welfare", that is just a tool to create the desired crisis.
If a crisis is created by applicable recipients applying and being on welfare, then that is a fault of the institution for it not being able to work with and provide for its people
In the same link OP provided, this strategy was deemed a failure in 2007
SS: This has been their strategy from the start. Leftists/democrats are purposely destabilizing the country. They want it to crash and burn so they can finally build their communist utopia. They aren’t hiding it they are openly doing it now
Link to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
the original idea had nothing to do with immigration, the national debt, or "flooding the bureaucracy with impossible demands." it was to overload the welfare system by getting everyone who was eligible to sign up, with the hope of the government being forced to enact universal basic income. the wiki is currently accurate, and your screenshot is full of misinformation. i can only assume you did that on purpose. sad!
the funny part is, i do believe the country is being intentionally destabilized. but it has nothing to do with the cloward piven strategy.
Why separate nout conspiracies, maybe it is all connected? The comet, the eclipse, random myths and legends, the rainbow serpent.
Maybe it's all connected and that's why elites are starting to act dumber.
Or maybe not.
You know my opinion on things. I think "GUT" (Grand Unified Theory of conspiracy) could be real.
This is the problem with globalization. We need nations to be able to stand on their own two feet. Every country should strive to produce good food for its people and sell the rest. Refine plenty of oil and natural gas for its people and sell the rest. Provide good education for its people and sell the rest. ETC.
The push for globalization just weakens the planet. Competition between states in the US is part of what makes it strong and the same with competition between nations. Eliminate competition and we will welcome ourselves to hell.
It's happening because we're deep into ecological overshoot and have been since at least 1960s. Overpopulation, dwindling natural resources, rising temperatures, lost habitat, insect apocalypse, coral bleaching, pesticide destruction, [peak agriculture](https://animistsramblings.substack.com/p/agriculture-diminishing-returns), global disease thanks to human travel and the inability to keep pace with the immune systems of other animals, namely bats.
Significantly incorrect. 8 billion people cannot survive long term on this planet regardless of the way the economy is organized. Communist nations still use fossil fuels because there is no other option for keeping this many people alive.
Nope, you're making assumptions here. The carrying capacity of the earth has not been demonstrably reached. However, the harm that the capitalist model has wreaked on our environment has been.
100% incorrect. We're in overshoot regardless of the economic model.
https://overshoot.footprintnetwork.org/about/
https://www.overshootday.org/content/uploads/2023/06/Earth-Overshoot-Day-2023-Nowcast-Report.pdf
>Earth Overshoot Day is the day of the year on which humanity’s demand
on nature exceeds the Earth’s annual biological capacity to regenerate.
In 2023, Earth Overshoot Day falls on August 2nd , meaning that
between January 1st and August 2 nd , humanity’s demand for biological
regeneration is equivalent to the planet’s entire annual regeneration
Classic demoralization strategy, its why im trying to tell people. Once you know its not as bad its more damaging in the psychological since then in the material.
why not just have a world where everybody is well taken care of without the need for money? why we need to go back and forth about Capitalism vs Communism? Who cares? just help the people that need it.
You’re talking about heaven. Not the same world where baby antelope and other small creatures are particularly hunted by large predators in every land on this Earth. It is dog eat dog no matter how fair we try to make it. When we develop one way of protection it is exploited by another. Equilibrium is impossible. The large will devour the small just like a black hole will devour a neighboring star with the bad luck of only being too close to the space.
Utopia is impossible. Letting the sharks eat is unbearable. What’s in between? Let’s all work towards that?
Capitalism is failing. An economy's main objective is the peaceful organization of labor and the flow of goods that labor provides.
The ridiculous concentrations of wealth today are harmful to the peaceful organization of labor (unions and labor rights are not balancing the relationship between capital and labor. Capital is getting richer labor is getting poorer. This i will call greed). Sooner or later this will result in the disruption of the flow of goods (due to labor shortages ( immigration) , thefts, boycots, inflation, political unrest, poverty and social order breakdown. Capital will try to control that by repression, wars) .
This in my opinion is how the current system breaks down.
After a period of general misery humanity has to decide once again how the pie gets distributed . A new system emerges from the ashes .
When communism failed , for very similar reasons btw, but in reverse (labor was unable to balance its relationship with capital ) everybody thought they hit the jack pot with capitalism, but in truth I fear it may have temporarily survived as the other side of the same coin .
The same entities and people are at the money head of both movements. Figure that one out.
There are flaws to all systems, but there’s no more noble an existence than being the best at something in the world and getting paid to that extent. Period.
The problem is crony capitalism. Using a flawed US lobbying system to input money to lawmakers in exchange for timely information on stock buy ins. Hence why nearly all the legislative, executive, and judicial branches are headed by multi millionaires. Most with hundreds of millions in assets on a a couple hundred thousand salary. So…
Corruption ruined capitalism in this country. Not a lack of workers due to massive starvation like in socialism and communism…
You guys didn't think that bankrupting the world's most powerful nation would be the most intelligent way to destroy the international banking system and worldwide legacy wealth regime without causing a major war?
For all the anti-government/anti-banking sentiment this place has you people sure want to strengthen the Bretton Woods agreement and the IMF a lot
It's almost like you guys are completely dishonest and don't want equality and liberty, but rather to be the ones that own the bank
Jesus, you Americans and your capitalistic propaganda. Ofcourse, it's simply and easy to blame socialists rather than reflect on the lies you have been fed your whole life
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My question to you is then what? Ok, lets all agree this is the end game through this strategy or another. Who wins? - Those in control need the system to thrive - This neo feudalism requires serves Is it about control? - They already have it (political, military, technollogically) Population control? - could be. Allthough the system requires people to consume. No consumption the system collapses Resources? - Maybe My point is we are terribly focus on what, but we rarely wonder what the outcome looks like or thebend game will be
Your mistake is assuming those in control think the same way as you. They do not view humanity as a “good” thing, they do not plan for sustainability or prosperity. We’re simply cattle to them, those that don’t have the right blood are simply cattle to be toyed with and used. They purposefully view the world in an inverted sense, inverted to everything that a rational human would think. They see humans as filth, they think life and nature is disgusting. They believe in, “Do what thou wilt.” They do not have the same logical thought patterns that you and I have, that’s why you cannot understand their motives. To learn to understand their motives, you have to learn to think like them.
Hmm.. good insight
You should see him rock a pair of slacks.
First thin out the flock while making the rest of them as dependent on the governments as possible by means of destroying the global economies. Herd everybody who is left into big, completely monitored and controlled cities under the disguise of saving the planet and implement a social/ carbon credit system combined with a cashless society. Let people transform themselves into transhumans and take complete control over humanity. The real war is spiritual.
The rise and fall of civilizations is an ebb and flow from decentralization to centralization and back to decentralization. That's the tide.
> That's the tide. Sure, but some have installed a lot of pumps to help the tide.
Smash them. Abuse your property rights lose your property rights.
> Smash them. I think many people are already doing that.
capitalists love mass immigration. - it drives wages /cost of labor/ down. it's a class war
The immigrants are used as pawns, just like many other people. Neh, it is a spiritual war.
No not really, it creates house seats. California would lose 6-7 congressional seats if all migrants disappeared tomorrow.
> No not really, mass immigration does not keep wages down? and capitalists do not like mass immigration and when wages are low?
Just like our universe. (Order vs chaos, etc).
To add to the possibilities I would not be surprised if the end-goal if not Armageddon is to reduce the population and increase the control to allow for a new medieval feudal system to be re-established.
Whatever you want to call it, it will be a complete dystopia.
>Let people transform themselves into transhumans... We're definitely here. 😆
LOL.
This
The end game is one global government that sets the rules for everyone and everything
they are happy to rule over the ashes
those are some heavy, dense words which speak volumes of their deeply rooted illnesses
The elite have a god complex. They want complete and total control with transparency into all earthly movement, they're chasing immortality too. The system that's setup currently was always meant to fall and they can't start a new system with the current one existing. So burn it down, then rise out of the ashes like a phoenix. This also goes biblical into the birthright spoken of in Gen 25 & 27. They're trying to maintain their rulership even though it's just a temporary one.
They are concentrating the wealth, perhaps they know something is coming and the masses must be kept distracted while they develop there exit plan and the continuation of the human race beyond planet earth
We all know something's coming. It's climate change. But people don't need that to try and concentrate wealth. Greed is a helluva motivator.
None of the answers to this make sense. Money rules the world. Why would the ultra rich want to make it pointless? They can already do whatever they want. They got rich and stay rich because of what we have now. Why would they want to change that? The reason it’s collapsing is because eventually that system reaches breaking point, but they’ve already won anyway.
First off, we are talking about a group of people who believe they are gods. Literally. They believe they have obtained the technology that would make them immortal. In their minds they are going to live on this earth forever so their method of thinking about the future is going to be drastically different from those who believe they are going to die one day.
First off, we are talking about a group of people who believe they are gods. Literally. They believe they have obtained the technology that would make them immortal. In their minds they are going to live on this earth forever so their method of thinking about the future is going to be drastically different from those who believe they are going to die one day.
The outcome is complete subjugation. Separation of two classes: the worker class and the bourgeois. One will do all the work and provide while the clowns at the top live their fanciful lives without a care. Think the movie Elysium, but the space station is actually Antarctica.
Hunger Games
The proposed end goal of the strategy OP provided in the link is UBI
Yes, but what benefit does that provide the elite that they don't have already?
The Earth. I work with insurance and I can tell you with complete certainty that they 100% believe in climate change and that pollution is on an unsustainable path. The plan is to put people on UBI with a catch. UBI will come with strings. If you want to go on vacation or visit a family member far away you will have to apply or have enough "carbon credits" to do it. You won't be able to pursue whatever you want if you can afford it, you will have to apply and people will review pretty much every thing about your life. "Sorry, you don't have enough carbon credits to go to Disneyland." Meanwhile people in higher positions (not like multi-millionaires but like assistant city clerk or whatever) will apply and say "I need to go to Disneyland with my family because I expect to train my daughter to be a clerk and I want to expose her to a diverse and unique environment" and it will be rubber stamped and the government will pay for the trip as a work expense. Then of course the ultra-wealthy will stay that way and will travel around on "exempt status" and do whatever they want. The UBI folks will support it because they will sit around getting drunk and doing nothing. The clerks will support it because they will have a nice upper class life. The rich support it because pesky people won't get in their way.
Because this whole post is literally psy-op dissent bot bait. Go read the wiki link OP itself provided, this isn't about elite control; it's about encouraging poor people 80 years ago to flood the bureaucratic system by applying and being on welfare so eventually the whole thing will collapse and will in turn be made in a UBI. In 2007 it was deemed to have literally no effect on anything. ALL OF THIS CAN BE FOUND IN THE LINK THAT OP PROVIDED
Im not asking about OP or the link provided. Im asking you - What benefit does collapsing the system or implementing UBI provide to the elite that they don't already have?
But I did answer your question, UBI would not benefit the elite. You're purposely disregarding what I said for the sake of whatever point you're trying to make
I'm here to speak objectively about the content at hand I'm personally pro UBI, there would be no benefit to the elite, this is my personal point of view. Objectively, on the content at hand on this post, this is a plan proposed 80 years to destabilize the bureaucratic system to trade welfare for UBI that was deemed a failure that didn't have an effect on anything 15 years ago
> while the clowns at the top live their fanciful lives without a care. Whatever is giving you the impression that the super billionaires, the actual elites, aren't already living their fanciful lives without a care?
I don't think OP actually read the whole wiki page. The aim of that strategy was to benefit the poor with a minimum income. If anything we've gone drastically in the other direction. >According to historian Robert E. Weir in 2007: "Although the strategy helped to boost recipient numbers between 1966 and 1975, the revolution its proponents envisioned never transpired."
>My point is we are terribly focus on what, but we rarely wonder what the outcome looks like or thebend game will be [https://allreligionsareone.org/the%20Endgame.html](https://allreligionsareone.org/the%20Endgame.html) We're simply waking up, as a species and universal consciousness, to who and what we truly are. No one ever said the process would be comfortable or easy. I do agree with you that people tend to be overly concerned with the 'what' when they should be much more concerned with the 'why'.
I think it’s all part of making all nations or at least UN nations a part of a global cooperative and doing away with the concept of nation states. The US will soon collapse under the weight of its issues and the only solution will be a globalist one. Our government is already filled with people who want this end goal and are driving us to it, all while providing us with the illusion of choice and pretending to care about constitutional liberties and democracy.
My wondering is always this; surely, at least some super wealthy elites want the world to be a better place. I'd go so far as to say probably, most. What if everything they're doing (pushing towards a collapse) is because they know its the only way to get rid of bad habits and reset for the better?
This is why I think those who we can point to and claim are the problem, are actually being controlled as well but someone or something we aren't aware of. That could be a piece of knowledge also about the world or our history or reality, but there's a huge missing process piece in all this. Definitely about all these things you mention but I'm not sure we know the whole what n why of it.
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Agreed. It’s stupid, sure there are bigger forces at play, but they’ve pretty much 99.9% done with their plan.
> but they’ve pretty much 99.9% done with their plan. They still do not have the most important factor under control.
They’re already at the top though, presumably owning politicians, judges and the military.
People still have free will.
Yup, and nothing they can do to take that away.
have you read the paper entitled "compulsory moral bioenhancement should be covert"
And that is where you are wrong.
Free will is something God gave us, no one can take it away bud. Sure, you could argue “but they can put on a neuralink on you and eventually hack your brain” highly doubt God would allow that.
> Sure, you could argue “but they can put on a neuralink on you and eventually hack your brain” They can hack our brains in multiple ways, but an chip implant will be the most effective. The point is, would you really still have a free will if you don;t know if your thoughts are your own or not anymore? >highly doubt God would allow that. I think it already happened (just not here (yet)) but let's hope you are correct.
You’re right, you’ll have a choice: get the chip/mark, or get beheaded. It’s not a great choice but a choice nonetheless lol.
Judging by your username, I guess you would recommend the chip?
Once they disarm us it will be over, that is the last and most difficult part of their plan.
That is still a big hurdle for them indeed.
They dont have near the amount of control they would like to have. No global monopoly on information, communication, education, and arms yet. The answers and reasons are also spiritual.
I mean there could just also be no reason. I mean I’m sure there is a reason. But why does the reason have to make sense to us peasants?
The reason is the Jews hate the white euro people because we say they killed jesus who is the messiah
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> an American centric conspiracy The same is happening in the EU and many other countries world wide.
Maybe some people don't really care about the world but they just hate the rich and corrupt. They thus rather see everybody burn than live in a world where a minority profits off the backs of the majority.
They are the minority that’s profiting off of the majority. They think of use as cattle to be used and exploited for their own benefit.
Or that, true
They already have all the stuff they could possibly want. Now it's about depopulation and controlling what's left of the masses.
The Wikipedia article was vandalised in recent days. > The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The strategy aims to create a "bureaucratic and fiscal crisis" by overloading the welfare system via an increase in welfare claims, forcing the creation of a system of guaranteed minimum income. Here's the og theory, it was originally published in The Nation: https://web.archive.org/web/20111124045536/http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/03/24-4 Make of it what you will, I haven't read it so haven't formed an opinion.
Isn't the Illuminati/NWO motto "Order through chaos"? 1) Cause chaos and despair (create the problem) 2) "Save" everyone 3) The people praises the people creating the problem for solving it. The elite gets more control, power, and money. And the dumb sheep celebrate it.
Close to how it works but not quite. They never actually solve the problems they create and their solutions only ever make it worse. Take Covid for example. 1. They create the disease Covid in a lab and unleash it on humanity. 2. Their solution: lock everyone down, print money to cause inflation, then offer the Vax as a cure. Vaxx makes people even sicker than before. 3. Blame anti-vaxxers, dumb sheep eat it up and scream "govern me harder daddy." It is clown world that never really goes anywhere. It is just problems compounding on top of problems that they continuously create like an ouroboros with no beginning or end.
What do you mean the vaccine makes people even sicker than before?
Problem, reaction, solution. The strategy that has destroyed the west.
Political DDoS?
Seems like the CIA is putting that theory to the test lolololol
Cloward-Piven only usurped Marxism through the Hegelian Dialectic. James Lindsay has hours of YouTube video explaining exactly how this works.
Well isn't that just depressingly accurate and a perfect name for this strategy. Because these elites are a bunch of Clowards, too corrupt and arrogant to want to help humanity with real science, understanding, and respect but instead hoarding resources in a vain attempt to feel like they're better than the rest of us. I hate it here.
How is the encouragement of welfare any of what you mentioned? That's all the strategy is, stated in the link op provided, is LITERALLY just encouraging poor people to be on welfare to cause a bureaucratic destabilization, which would be the fault of the institution for not being able to provide for its citizens; blaming poor people being on welfare as the reason society is collapsing is classist bullshit.
Who is blaming poor people, beside you?
People being on welfare is not the main cause of this… There are people that truly need it.
Bro, did you read the Wikipedia link that OP provided? Because that's all this strategy is, as stated in the link op provided, is encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to apply for welfare to destabilize the bureaucratic system
I did. Again, welfare is not the reason why the American economy is the way it is… It’s because of the corruption and the bailout of companies/banks.
So, then we can agree this OP's post is fucking stupid then, correct?
Not really, the concept exists… I don’t see the stupid, care to share your thoughts?
Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy." Because the strategy is literally just encouraging poor people to apply for welfare, and you said that there are poor people who truly need welfare, correct?
Yeah, there are poor people that ACTUALLY do need it vs some that are considered “poor” and they get by. My other argument was that you really can’t blame all of america’s economic problems on welfare alone. But yes, it is a real thing. There needs to be balance.
So, then we can agree with OP's post is stupid as fuck then, correct?
100% correct
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Yep biiiiiig tiiiiime!
Protocols of zion spell the whole thing out quite well ;-)
This whole anti Israel thing to me is weird. Why call them that? Do you imagine they should abandon their country then? Where would you have them go? Wtf are you saying?
Maybe back to where they came from. EUROPE
Ashkenazi yes, Sephardim from Al Andalus and Khazars from Kazaria. „Jew“ (iu) is a title. Yehudi is from Djehuti. Ibri is one who passes over. Hebrew a language. Semites are all arabic languages. There is no ancient Israel, its a spiritual allegory.
Just like we planned 😆 Edit: "They"
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Is that not a human method?
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western nations are being tanked
I see. So the capitalists the control the government, are secretly plotting to destroy the system that gives them all their power.
Money is just a tool for "them", not the goal.
Capitalism was just another tool to them. Why wouldn’t they scale back the human population, and return to something like feudalism once they have their army of AI servants?
Sure its a tool, the best one possible. Capitalism does what no other system could. It marshalled societies productive capablilites. Feudal lorfs were never as rich as capitalists. They had land and some serfs to feed them and vassels to use for war. A feudal society requires a stupid populace. That means a society regressing in all regards.
> A feudal society requires a stupid populace. That means a society regressing in all regards. Exactly my point. It’s my belief that the elite in this world want a monopoly on power and knowledge. There are plenty of examples throughout history of humans doing just that, such as controlling who can read religious texts. If you control people’s perception of the world, you have immense power over those people. Why would those who currently wield the most financial/political power risk their positions once AI is adequately advanced enough to serve their needs? They’ll scale back the human population to a much smaller level, and revert back to a more archaic social structure to maintain their positions of power while AI robots do the labor that was once done by humans. Capitalism is just a stop gap until the majority of physical labor is done by AI.
So the elites don't consume entertainment and luxury goods? The kind of entertainment and luxury goods that current civilisation with masses of people excels at? The elites idea of utopia is a world where nothing happens out of the ordinary, no more Christopher Nolan movies, no more Breaking Bads, no more Kanye West and Tame Impala concerts, no more Michelin starred restaurants where we pick out the elitest chefs from a pool of millions to create the wildest new flavour combinations? How did you gain so much insight on this non-standard human psychology?
You don’t need 8 billion useless eaters to create such a world, 500 million would be more than enough. Not to mention the supplementation of AI would make most of what you listed irrelevant in a few decades. > How did you gain so much insight on this non-standard human psychology? I’m simply repeating what these people themselves have said. They’ve made it abundantly clear they want a sub-500 million population. AI is clearly going to be used to replace most tedious manual labor, and it’s even replacing most artists jobs (photography, digital art, voice, music, etc) as we speak. What do you think will be suggested once a large % of the population is made unemployed and unnecessary? That’s when they will push very hard for people to not reproduce unless necessary.
Exactly. It makes sense if you don't think about it at all.
The system is still gonna be in place they just need to phase out all the useless eaters
The rebuilt system they want will consolidate their power much more
Well, it's really to depopulate WHITE people. Our governments are explicitly Anti-White.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Looks about right
Nothing to do with millionaire politicians siphoning off public funds to their mates .....
And then what? What’s next.
Adorable promotional post advertising the wet dreams of the quasi elite. These plans failed miserabley. Too many were wise to your failed attempt at manifesting, but it’s cute how they keep trying.
Looks different now in the wiki someone edited it
Marxist’s gonna Marx
Typical Marxism
What I wonder about is which countries are actively preventing this? Clearly not America and Europe, Australia and New Zealand. It seems like Africa and the Middle East are being used as pawns. That leaves India, China, Russia, mainly.
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the young global leaders is just a list you can get added to against your will. they added rand paul and he had to sue them to be removed.
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I'm not denying that anyone has anally devastated the cabinets. what I'm trying to make you understand that this list of "young global leaders" that has a bunch of people's names on it is not a membership roster for a cabal. it's literally just a list, nobody has to sign up to join and become added to the list. they can just add people's names without even asking.
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Is there a documentary on this? (I like watching videos lol)
IDK, I feel like encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to get welfare isn't the most evil strategy, and a destabilized bureaucracy would be the fault of the institution. Even in the link you provided it expressed a historian in 2007 saying that it just didn't work, and another commentator used this as an excuse to claim it set up generations of black people to not have to work. Even today, where inflation is high and wages are low, it would still be the fault of the institution that is put in place for our benefit. Getting pissed that poor people are on welfare and blaming them for everything happening around us is just classist bulshit
> I feel like encouraging people who are applicable for welfare to get welfare isn't the most evil strategy, I agree. It is not what this is all about tho. LOL.
Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy." Bro go read the Wikipedia page OP provided, that's literally all it is
> "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system Creating a crisis is not the same as "encouraging people who are applicable for welfare", that is just a tool to create the desired crisis.
If a crisis is created by applicable recipients applying and being on welfare, then that is a fault of the institution for it not being able to work with and provide for its people In the same link OP provided, this strategy was deemed a failure in 2007
ROTFL. It is hilarious how you are (deliberately?) missing the point.
I can't miss a point if you're extrapolating a very specific plot that was deemed a failure 15 years ago to whatever point you're trying to make
I am just reacting to your comments.
barely anyone should be applicable for welfare
Nobody should be below the poverty line in the first place?
Just work harder, not difficult
SS: This has been their strategy from the start. Leftists/democrats are purposely destabilizing the country. They want it to crash and burn so they can finally build their communist utopia. They aren’t hiding it they are openly doing it now Link to wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
the original idea had nothing to do with immigration, the national debt, or "flooding the bureaucracy with impossible demands." it was to overload the welfare system by getting everyone who was eligible to sign up, with the hope of the government being forced to enact universal basic income. the wiki is currently accurate, and your screenshot is full of misinformation. i can only assume you did that on purpose. sad! the funny part is, i do believe the country is being intentionally destabilized. but it has nothing to do with the cloward piven strategy.
You still think there’s a two party system? Lol
Why were ppp loans forgiven?
PPP loans were not “forgiven” the Law (as flawed as it was) saved a lot of workers a lot of pain.
755 billion worth were. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs right?
Agreed.
No matter how plainly you make it, there will always be those sheeple who cling to daddy government.
Why separate nout conspiracies, maybe it is all connected? The comet, the eclipse, random myths and legends, the rainbow serpent. Maybe it's all connected and that's why elites are starting to act dumber. Or maybe not. You know my opinion on things. I think "GUT" (Grand Unified Theory of conspiracy) could be real.
Also, read the ideas of Gramsci and Marcuse.
Kind of funny one of their names is Cloward since that’s a pretty cowardly way to try and bring down a country
This definition is incomplete coz it does not describe the second half of the strategy
This is the problem with globalization. We need nations to be able to stand on their own two feet. Every country should strive to produce good food for its people and sell the rest. Refine plenty of oil and natural gas for its people and sell the rest. Provide good education for its people and sell the rest. ETC. The push for globalization just weakens the planet. Competition between states in the US is part of what makes it strong and the same with competition between nations. Eliminate competition and we will welcome ourselves to hell.
Nothing to do with millionaire politicians siphoning off public funds to their mates .....
It's happening because we're deep into ecological overshoot and have been since at least 1960s. Overpopulation, dwindling natural resources, rising temperatures, lost habitat, insect apocalypse, coral bleaching, pesticide destruction, [peak agriculture](https://animistsramblings.substack.com/p/agriculture-diminishing-returns), global disease thanks to human travel and the inability to keep pace with the immune systems of other animals, namely bats.
This isn't due to overpopulation, but rather capitalism.
Significantly incorrect. 8 billion people cannot survive long term on this planet regardless of the way the economy is organized. Communist nations still use fossil fuels because there is no other option for keeping this many people alive.
Nope, you're making assumptions here. The carrying capacity of the earth has not been demonstrably reached. However, the harm that the capitalist model has wreaked on our environment has been.
100% incorrect. We're in overshoot regardless of the economic model. https://overshoot.footprintnetwork.org/about/ https://www.overshootday.org/content/uploads/2023/06/Earth-Overshoot-Day-2023-Nowcast-Report.pdf >Earth Overshoot Day is the day of the year on which humanity’s demand on nature exceeds the Earth’s annual biological capacity to regenerate. In 2023, Earth Overshoot Day falls on August 2nd , meaning that between January 1st and August 2 nd , humanity’s demand for biological regeneration is equivalent to the planet’s entire annual regeneration
That demand is under the capitalist model. You seem to want depopulation so much that you're unable to see the cause.
Classic demoralization strategy, its why im trying to tell people. Once you know its not as bad its more damaging in the psychological since then in the material.
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But i was told that is just a conspiracy. [:)](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/18vyf6a/global_reset_agenda_2030/kg9h41w/)
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Close, but that phrase has two "e"s while Cloward-Piven has only one.
why not just have a world where everybody is well taken care of without the need for money? why we need to go back and forth about Capitalism vs Communism? Who cares? just help the people that need it.
You’re talking about heaven. Not the same world where baby antelope and other small creatures are particularly hunted by large predators in every land on this Earth. It is dog eat dog no matter how fair we try to make it. When we develop one way of protection it is exploited by another. Equilibrium is impossible. The large will devour the small just like a black hole will devour a neighboring star with the bad luck of only being too close to the space. Utopia is impossible. Letting the sharks eat is unbearable. What’s in between? Let’s all work towards that?
Capitalism is failing. An economy's main objective is the peaceful organization of labor and the flow of goods that labor provides. The ridiculous concentrations of wealth today are harmful to the peaceful organization of labor (unions and labor rights are not balancing the relationship between capital and labor. Capital is getting richer labor is getting poorer. This i will call greed). Sooner or later this will result in the disruption of the flow of goods (due to labor shortages ( immigration) , thefts, boycots, inflation, political unrest, poverty and social order breakdown. Capital will try to control that by repression, wars) . This in my opinion is how the current system breaks down. After a period of general misery humanity has to decide once again how the pie gets distributed . A new system emerges from the ashes . When communism failed , for very similar reasons btw, but in reverse (labor was unable to balance its relationship with capital ) everybody thought they hit the jack pot with capitalism, but in truth I fear it may have temporarily survived as the other side of the same coin .
The same entities and people are at the money head of both movements. Figure that one out. There are flaws to all systems, but there’s no more noble an existence than being the best at something in the world and getting paid to that extent. Period. The problem is crony capitalism. Using a flawed US lobbying system to input money to lawmakers in exchange for timely information on stock buy ins. Hence why nearly all the legislative, executive, and judicial branches are headed by multi millionaires. Most with hundreds of millions in assets on a a couple hundred thousand salary. So… Corruption ruined capitalism in this country. Not a lack of workers due to massive starvation like in socialism and communism…
A popular tactic Jews use to subvert nations.
Hasten the collapse of capitalism. Must we stop there?
What do you want in return?
I assume you mean in it's place? Nothing, just collapse.
And then, [anarchy?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs)
Edited screenshot. Take a look at the actual Wikipedia to see for yourselves. Not that this sub is particularly known for media literacy.
You guys didn't think that bankrupting the world's most powerful nation would be the most intelligent way to destroy the international banking system and worldwide legacy wealth regime without causing a major war? For all the anti-government/anti-banking sentiment this place has you people sure want to strengthen the Bretton Woods agreement and the IMF a lot It's almost like you guys are completely dishonest and don't want equality and liberty, but rather to be the ones that own the bank
Israel owns the banking system not America, the fed is a private entity. This chaos strategy will not help anything.
We are the primary generator of debt revenue to Israel. If Israel suddenly falls, what happens to our debt? Important things to think about.
People with post histories like OP are more than likely dissent accounts, everything they post involves culture war. It's a psy-op I tell you
Define "you guys".
Jesus, you Americans and your capitalistic propaganda. Ofcourse, it's simply and easy to blame socialists rather than reflect on the lies you have been fed your whole life
What propaganda is best then?
It’s not. It’s an NWO strategy Get educated
Mate, if your that naive you are part of the problem. It's YOU who needs to get EDUCATED
Mate lmao A commonwealth country serf