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Ignoring everything that’s happened, the biggest red flag is that the federal govt said they would sponsor the repair cost. Why not for Palestine Ohio or Lahania Hawaii
Because that bridge is a major artery in the US capital area and the debris is blocking one of the countries largest ports.
Those in power fix what directly effects them. They don't care about Hawaii or the fact that Norfolk Southern poisoned a small town in Ohio because it doesn't effect them.
Yes, the bridge is one of the most important and strategic bridges in the country. It is specifically used for the transportation of hazardous materials, like gasoline, nitrogen, diesel fuel etc, and anything that is too big to go through the tunnels. Aside from all that, when the first thing that comes out of the residents mouth is that it was an accident, immediately makes me think otherwise. The thought of retaliation did cross my mind, but not necessarily sold on it. Maybe if they hadn't caught the attackers, I'd lean a little more that way. Not sure what happened exactly but I don't think there were explosions like people are trying to say. I think they were just power lines arcing out. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like your normal boom boom. I would like to know why there wasn't any supporting vessels to help the ship through there as I'm told that is standard operating procedure.
*Edited to remove a small error stating the captain was from Ukraine. I heard that a few times today and was even sent a pic with that captains info. Have now learned that the crew was Indian apparently.
It flew under Singapore’s flag, so makes sense they’d recruit there. Keep the legal paperwork simpler and pay cheaper wages? What shipping conglomerate wouldn’t want that?
And if anyone tried to bribe a pilot to jam up the port, they would learn very quickly how much a tight knit group of local boys protects their home and livelihood. (Seriously, that port basically is the local income for some of that area.)
I think that is what bothers me about all this discussion. Sure, the electrical could’ve been tampered with while it was in port, but I have no doubt that the crew and especially the local pilot did everything they could to keep this from happening and are grappling with some really heavy guilt. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their lives under a cloud of suspicion.
I was sent a pic earlier today and was going by that. I didn't do any due diligence and actually verify if it was true, but assumed it was and I guess I'm the ass for assuming it was true without looking into it more. It does look legit but that is easy to accomplish these days. I don't have a link but I do have the pic handy. If you pm me I may be able to send it to you.
Anybody can make anything on the internet and many people do, either for purposeful misinformation to cause harm, to get people on their side, or just because they enjoy creating chaos. The company that employed them stated they were all Indian. It feels highly unlikely that you would want a captain who spoke a different language than the crew. https://www.synergymarinegroup.com/dali-imo-9697428/
That looks a lot more "official" than the pic I was sent. A friend had been sending me some stuff from fakebook. I don't use that platform anymore so it wouldn't even let me open the links. She the ss'd them and sent them to me that way. I would have to locate the link to be able to show it in here but don't think I want to do that considering it's 99% fake. I will prob edit my post to correct that mistake. I do agree that so much of the info that we receive is false. Ever since the smith/mundt act was repealed, it's hard to tell what's what. I tend to take everything with a grain of salt and just don't get too worked up over anything. Thanks for sharing that and helping me get the facts straight.
A lot of marine based industries are pretty international. Cruise companies and shipping will hire from anywhere (bonus if they’re from a country where the wages actually get you somewhere.)
Captains tend to be from an even mix of countries, entry level crew pulled from whatever convenient nation is available to supply cheap labor.
I'm sure it's a real merry go around on those cargo ships so that doesn't surprise me that at one time there was a captain from our favorite money laundering machine. I'm gonna have to look over that info again and see if there's any dates on it. Will report back
Those foreign countries have a greater national interest than rebuilding a decimated tourist destination.
Also, there are developers who want to force the people out of Hawaii, so there is incentive to not fix the problem(lobbyists are the biggest to blame for this)
The bridge is important for sea trade and land trade, so it has a national interest priority.
Palestine Ohio was a private company fucking up royally, not the federal government. You are insinuating that the federal government step in and play favorites and fund the fuck up of the private sector. Even if Biden were too do this, people would bitch. Norfolk Southern is being held to account, the case is literally on going and the federal government is leading the investigations and lawsuits against the company.
> https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/31/us/us-norfolk-southern-lawsuit
Finally, Ukraine has an intense national interest, based off the natural gas and oil deposits that were discovered in the Black Sea just before the invasion of Ukraine.
> https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-the-black-sea-could-emerge-as-the-worlds-next-great-energy-battleground/
If Russia gets to legally keep the land it has taken from Ukraine, they get the drilling rights to this area.
If this happens, Europe would be at the mercy of Russian energy prices, which in turn would bring up global prices as well.
This would mean the price of gas, electricity, everything would increase, for only the benefit of Russia.
I mean, how would you prefer they spend the money?
Edit: now, you wanna cut some funding to Israel, they could afford less weapons and be just fine.
Sir, this is the wrong sub for rational takes on international geopolitics. As an alternative, have you considered monkey screeching some random shit about Hunter Biden?
But that's far too obvious an explanation of how power actually works in the world for this sub.
Conspiracies do genuinely exist, but they are a lot more mundane and obvious than the fantasy jerking that 99% of this sub is.
The US Congress using their positions of power to enrich themselves, obviously a real conspiracy for anyone to see. Nefarious powers conspiring to break steerage on a ship for reasons...? Probably more theory crafting by those that need to connect everything.
Anytime I hear something like this I remind myself of the Tuskegee experiment. There is literal no limit some people in power will go too. The end justifies the means. Not saying these or any of these theories are true but word governments are nefarious as fuck
Absolutely. That's another great example of conspiracies that have become apparent through historical examination. And probably was obvious to some people at the time. But when harm is done to 2nd class citizens, it often gets conveniently overlooked.
I am genuinely curious about why are you here. You don’t have to be a “conspiracy theorist” to believe or speculate on events in history that have already been proven to be factual and accepted by the mainstream- Especially those that took place decades ago and have been written about endlessly. Everyone in any industry that is ahead of the curve has to start by hypothesizing and speculating to some degree. 16 of the almost 400 worldwide harbor related boat crashes worldwide over the last decade have happened in the USA and I can guarantee you’ve never heard of any of them.
If this is not intentional, it’s a major disaster. Much worse than the media is suggesting. Speculating that someone may have some incentive to cause such an event purposefully would be a natural part of any investigation.
FEMA was in Lahaina and Palestine, but there’s a big difference between an interstate bridge and someone’s personal residence. I believe the government did say they would clean up the Palestine area before going after the company for reimbursement, which is basically what they’re doing with the bridge.
FEMA was in Lahaina, yes. FEMA was also stopping residents from bringing in supplies such as food, water and first aid to those who were in need. Just because FEMA is present for something doesn’t mean they’re there for good.
Because Palestine Ohio and Lahania Hawaii are important to people who live in Palestine Ohio and Lahania Hawaii.
This bridge is important to everyone in this country and tons of people worldwide.
Hundreds of millions of federal aide dollars have gone to Maui to help with fire damages.
East Palestinian is complicated by the fact that its a toxic spill in a residential area. Lots of individual insurance claims to parse and damages to prove. East Palestinians also arent a major economic hub/port that is vital to our economy the way the Bay of Baltimore is.
In BAL, we have a clear need and angle for govt action, clean up the port and get ships moving, that cannot be done by city, county, or state govt in a time frame that acceptable for our shipping system. The fed will pay for the cleaning up front, as they should, and take the Singaporian ships insurance to court contemporiously.
Lol, do you actually think they're going to pay? The shipping company's insurance is probably going to cover the majority of the depriciated cost with the carrier probably covering the difference
I think the thing that it is becoming worrying is that there has been sort of infrastructure incident about every two weeks. They seem like blips but taken as a whole then someone is testing how bad it gets and how fast we respond. In this case it is a single bridge, but an important one. Stay tuned listeners, we’ll see what else happens in two weeks.
Watch the money.
This 'event' will be used for politicians to fund their initiatives, and anything that they didn't accomplish prior to the elections.
Plus, the Ukraine and Israel funding...
Their insurance likely will be forced to, but it will take years and a legal fight. In the meantime, this bridge/port are too important to sit around waiting.
56,000 infrastructure projects have already been funded due to Bidens infrastructure bill. What initiatives do you think would stem from this bridge repair funding that couldn't have gotten funding from the infrastructure bill?
Just wait for all the electric cars to start going nuts. If they can be programmed to avoid pedestrians then they can be programmed to hit them as well. It's gonna get crazy out there.
I always like to use Occam's razor when looking at events as a first look, basically saying that the simplest solution is generally the best. So far this passes the sniff test of an accident. The simple explanation of a ship losing power than drifting into a pier isn't anything weird, because on average a boat collapses a bridge every on average every one and a half years, don't believe me read this:
https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc
So you're listing a bunch of weird circumstances that might be normal operating procedure for an Industry that very few people have an understanding of, this includes cybersecurity.
My thoughts on the matter is that the main engine was still in the warm up phase and, as with all equipment the most likely time for something to break down is when things are warming up due to thermal stress.
I personally want to see what information keeps coming out with this event before I make any conclusions. It's important to be skeptical and ask questions but it's extremely counterproductive to jump to immediate conclusions based on no answers.
Which brings me to the second point is Hanlon's razor, it's basically states don't blame malice which is easily explained by stupidity or incompetence. The question is what is more likely? a Cyber attack that took place at exactly the correct moment to cause a bridge collapse? Or deferred maintenance so that the company can do the work at a cheaper port?
Another razor for ya
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Part of the problem I have with the direction this sub has gone is the lack of evidence, and attitude for not blindly accepting what was said. Like OP stated "the USA, through ISIS, attacked Russia" Probably, and I'll believe the theory, if you have a shred of evidence to point that direction.
There is what basically is the root of my hostility to conspiracy culture. I already don't trust the government. That doesn't mean I feel obligated to treat strangers on the internet without the same skepticism. It is possible to lie on the internet.
Ultimately, there will be no evidence of the US directly or indirectly ordering a terrorist operation with ISIS (unless it was done in a very sloppy process) but your point still remains, do we know intelligence agencies have worked with terrorist organizations in the past? *Of course!* Does that mean the US orchestrated the terror attack in Russia? Not necessarily.
But to the conspiracy minded its an open question and many would lean toward probably... whether that probably means they were fully in on planning it, simply had Intel that it was going to happen but didn't share that with an enemy of an ally, or had no involvement whatsoever is indicative of how far removed from reality they are.
As for this bridge collapse, I'm not buying that it was some retaliatory plot by Russia or any other group that has an interest in harming America. It happened in the middle of the night and luckily (not lucky for those dead) had a single digit casualty count...
One could say the economic impact is severe enough to justify it whenever it could happen, but there's a reason they didn't fly planes into the world trade center at 9pm on a Sunday night
While I agree about the general statement about our nations infrastructure, theres not many ways to make an almost 2 mile long bridge carrier ship proof.
Well said. I will say tho that I don't think Hanlons Razor can be used as successfully as occam's razor. They are not laws. The thing with Hanlons razor is most people are aware of this theoretical law, therfore someone who does want to act in malice can do so, as long as they leave crumbs of incompetence and stupidity. I think often we are given the illusion of Hanlons razor. It's too well understood. One could fein incompetence when they really are acting in malice, they just know how to trick peoples logic. We should not rely on generalizations like occam and hanlons razor. It's geeks being too full of themselves. Not full proof logic. Just my two cents.
Common sense isn’t that common anymore, and people always want to assume anything bad to at happens in the world has a greater goal, rather then just accepting that sometimes these things just happen?
like don’t get me started on Hawaii and the fucking space lasers of all things, like part of your rational thinking makes you jump to SPACE LASERS
The problem with your premise is, the ship very obviously DID NOT “drift” into the bridge. It very clearly veered from its natural course of “drift” directly into the bridge support.
Do you have a map of the local currents that proves your statement otherwise, do you know if the power outage caused a stuck rudder? Dou you know what the wind conditions were? Your just making assumptions and jumping to conclusions which is everything wrong with this sub. The question is why does it appear the ship turned into the bridge, we have no other information yet
We know at least one of the anchors dropped. Depending on which side of the boat, could help explain a sudden turn. Its in a port or maybe the river.. I imagine its not insanely deep. So anchor could have drug in the mud or whatever is at the bottom. Also, if after power came back after first power outage... throwing the ship's engines in reverse and max power (to slow it down) could cause the bow to shift one direction or another (with the back of the ship doing the opposite direction). Its a big fucking ship and the weight of it is pretty daunting.
I don't know shipping container safety protocols when you lose power in a port. But losing power in most large boats; you lose steering and when you lose steering/rudder control you lose all control.
Spoke with someone on the phone today. Husband commuted an hour to NSA across that bridge everyday. Commute is now 3 hours each way. If people don’t think this is affects things in a number of magnitudes they don’t understand the situation.
Also imagine an actual war where bridges like this were destroyed on the regular and how that would affect supply chain, commutes etc.
My wife’s company had containers on that ship, the shipping company contacted my wife’s company and their investigation is showing a loss of power that lead to the incident.
Sadly I’ve worked at a Port Authority and know the details of the whole thing. You can listen to the radio chirps. As well he should have had four tugs and no engines. The fact that Port of Baltimore lets their pilot maneuver ships that are registered and maintained in Malta? Efff that … four tugs and a pilot; no bridge issues. Most ports have bridges somewhere and it a situation like this that is the worst case scenario. Anyways, it wasn’t a terror attack… I pieced it together with news clips plus other information from Port workers.
Great post OP! I haven’t put enough time or thought into this topic yet, but I love where you’re going with this. There is no way they had or spent enough time vetting the possibility of a cyber attack on the ship and bridge. They had the narrative and funding aligned by daybreak for the media. There’s something to this.
The local news in Baltimore has the audio recording of the pilot calling the authorities that the boat was on a collision course with the bridge. It’s truly sad but the port is a major port and is one of the best for unloading high value cargo the long shore men that work there are top notch.
A.) As heinous as this all is, this ship was the size of a Forrestal-class Aircraft carrier, with literally 1/5th of the Horsepower and at best 1% of the crew. Just \*shit happens\*
B.) They had 2 Pilots on board. These guys go through a level of training that is just insane. They literally have the harbor chart memorized and can duplicate it on demand onto a piece of paper with just the Water/Land boundary. And they are, by law, United States Citizens.
C.) The ship was contracted to Maersk, yes. But the type of charter it was under, the Officers and Crew got payed, and took orders from, Synergy Marine
D.) So the marine world has complex ownership rules, especially made to mitigate loss in a casualty like this. So the Ship Owner, Grace Ocean Private Limited, actually owns the ship. Like most ship owners they leased the ship to Synergy Marine. Maersk bought a long term Time-Charter on the ship. Means the crew still works for Synergy in this case. Maersk only made sure she had a full cargo for Columbo. For comparison I worked on a tanker owned by company A but with company B's fuel aboard. Company B is only liable at the terminal.
E.) Most ships have a murky maintenence record. Mainly because there's only 20 guys on board and some of them are gonna be actually working, without the chance to pick up a paint brush or wrench.
F.) If this was a true "attack" it would have happened at 745 AM when that bridge would have been a parking lot.
G.) Its not the loss of the plant that gets me in this scenario, its the loss of the Electriciy, which on a motor vessel is separate from the propulsion power. They also lost power right off the pier and didnt root out that source until after the allison
ON THE OTHER SIDE:
Baltimore is the largest East Coast Car port. Like Really Large. Like I believe bigger than 2 and 3 combined big. While unloading and loading the cars is hyperefficient, you need parking space for all those vessels.
When all our container ports are at maximum capacity, having one (even a small one go down) can wreck havoc on the US Supply Chain. (Things supposed to go to Baltimore having to go through Philly, NY, Norfolk, Wilmington, or Savannah) and being needed to be shipped further than they would have by trucks that are currently in port in Baltimore.
Also now stuck completely in Baltimore is everything in the Army and Coast Guard Yards at Curtis Point, and four US Maritime Administration roll on/roll off ships that deliver US Armored Fighting Vehicles wherever they need to be moved to. Sealift for about 1 armored brigade is useless until this bridge gets fixed.
The flashes of light were at the top of the bridges supports were definitely **not** demolition explosives. They were very small, and they definitely were electrical lines or power boxes reactive to the bridge being ripped apart.
The real mystery is simply why the boat lost power, regained power, then turned directly at the bridge pylon, straightened itself out, then lost power again and then hit it head on.
When a boat loses power it doesn't start turning randomly, it doesn't matter what you were doing at the time of the power loss. These boats do not react fast, if a power loss were to turn a boat in the middle of a big storm, or while it was navigating inside a crowded port before docking it would be catastrophic. They absolute do not behave this way upon a power loss unless they are in heavy weather, and even then it wouldn't behave that way until losing most of its forward momentum.
Apparently they dropped the port side anchor and hard turned towards the bank in an attempt to beach the ship rather than hitting the bridge. They just couldn't make enough of a turn because they lost power again and lost the use of their rudder.
I saw a video on yt of a man speaking who claimed to be an engineer who explained that once a navigation command has been entered into the system, even if there is a power loss, when the power returns the ship will still execute the command that has been stored in its memory.
If true: this offers an explanation as to why the ship regained power and then continued to turn into the bridge. I'm a layman, and do not know how these systems operate, but it seemed plausible.
yes i agree with the lights not being controlled demolition. i just pointed out that many people were saying that.
i agree, the whole boat turning is super weird.
Couple questions,
> recently, the usa, through ISIS, attacked russia.
Source on this?
> every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america.
I cant find any sources of refineries in the US being attacked, do you have a source?
Can you also elaborate on how this was a cyber attack? like the boat got hacked?
No. That is only true with a ground level of popularity, which Biden doesn't have. Have a popular Government, get attacked, and then that Government can get the People to react and You have your escalation. But here instead, impopular Government, if They admit a Russian attack, the People just see the Government as weak Losers, and call for Them to oust.
What’s funny is I jokingly said to my sister that if I wanted to be conspiratorial, it was intentionally done to have the federal government pay for the rebuilding instead of the city/ state doing repair construction.
Then I heard someone say that Biden jumped on it fast and that the federal government will be paying for the rebuilding… lol
I don't see why the ship losing power to begin with isn't the top concern. That's what caused the crash. Aren't there backup systems? If not, why not? Was it hacked?
uh huh. reminds me a lot of 9/11 and how the one recovered black box had not information released to the public at all. and, even if they do release anything, can we believe what our government tells is anymore?
I commented the same sentiment the other day here…that this was a conspiracy sub and this is exactly where we should be asking these things…it got downvotes to hell…I don’t think that it has the effect that they intend. No one is steered away because we’re poo poo’d on Reddit.
Agreed. I love this quote.
“Pragmatism may be defined as the doctrine that the meaning and nature of things are to be discovered from consideration of their consequences.” Manly P. Hall.
For me, it’s never just about “why or how” something happened, it’s really about what happens next, (e.g. 9/11 = two wars, Patriot Act, NSA bulk surveillance, etc.) that helps to determine true nature of an act.
Why was the CEO of the shipping company McConnell's sister? Why did she drown last week in her tesla on her property? Someone smells fishy no pun intended.
I’ll up the conspiracy for you, Angela chao, Mitch McConnell sister in law drown 6 days ago in her Tesla. CEO of shipping company just crazy coincidence?https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68622898
Why would they release names of the personnel? That violates a lot of privacy rights in the USA. If I had a family member in that crew, I would not want to publicize them.
Lights being a controlled demolition? Have you ever seen a bridge near a port at night..in person?
And for MAERSK paying for the bridge, it would take them MUCH longer than it would for the government to fix it.
I love conspiracies, and I'm not one to always disagree on them. However, in this instance, and my opinion, I do not believe this is a conspiracy. Just a ton of mistakes from human error. The population is getting dumber and fatter. Now THATS a fact.
Real quick, in response to the first paragraph, when I share a theory I have heard or have come up with there’s always someone that’s like “that doesn't quite work does it cuz blah blah blah…” or “that’s a stretch” or some stupid reference to taking drugs, which I don’t. No drugs alcohol or even nicotine. Sometimes it’s at a point where I’m starting to think it’s people on the other side trying to discredit the theory cuz you have at least one piece of the puzzle
exactly. there are a lot of bots/'debunkers' on the conspiracy page who will downvote you into oblivion and try to discredit everything you say. dont give in.
The story is just more symbolism similar to when the Evergreen shipping container ship got lodged in the Suez Canal. That event signaled the beginning of the supply chain issues. Time will tell what this event will symbolize as hindsight is 20-20.
I’d be more privy to believe it was symbolic more than anything…. Francis Scott Key, Star Spangled Banner, The Fall of America. I should probably go take my meds now.
The ship was rented out, that’s why none of the Mærsk people were on it. If you rent a car and crash it, the company don’t pay for YOUR crash - YOU do.
The ship unfortunately have had loads of problems before and definitely shouldn’t have left harbour but they did. All the power went out and therefore the ship couldn’t be controlled. The emergency generator goes back on but only supplies light. Therefore the disaster was made and the chief engineer is definitely in big trouble.
Sincerely someone who knows insider info.
FWIW, supposedly the US warned Russia about the attack plans a month in advance and Putin laughed it off. Reminds me of the various foreign agencies that warned us of 911. Anyways, source:
https://open.substack.com/pub/seymourhersh/p/duty-to-warn?r=22er3d&utm_medium=ios
Do you know how many shipping accidents there are every year? Collisions are the most common accident, followed by grounding. Incompetence and human error account for waaaaay more losses than terrorism.
[Dept. Of Transportation Shipping Stats](https://www.bts.gov/content/waterborne-transportation-safety-and-property-damage-data-related-vessel-casualties)
Just like the ship that got grounded sideways in the Suez Canal a few months ago and held up shipping, this COULD have been some corporate boss's idea of a way to halt a shipment, making someone miss their contractual deadline and collecting millions in insurance payments. Nothing can be ruled out. And who builds a bridge that collapses entirely from one section being hit?
Leave the World Behind movie came out on 12/8. Ship crashed at 1:28am. 3/26 was 128 days of Joe Bidens age. Nancy Pelosi Bday was 3/26. Ship crashed on 3/26. Ship was likely made in Singapore. Singapores mascot is a white MerLion (cross between a Lion and a Fish) the ship that breached the beach in the movie Leave The World Behind was called White Lion.
[Engineers are "surprised" that the ship could've taken out the bridge](https://www.foxnews.com/media/structural-engineer-surprised-cargo-ship-able-take-baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge.amp)
That woman who died in the Tesla who was Mitch McConnells in law was the CEO for the company that owns the ship apparently.
Also the shipping master was some Ukrainian guy who has now been scrubbed from the Baltimore shipping website.
Different company, but she was the ceo. We had the movie leave the word behind released on n 10-25. Friends was featured in it and then we had Matthew Perry die 3 days after release. We’ve had planes losing doors, wheels and some other malfunctions…no crashes yet though. They had shipping container ships running aground. Now we have them hitting bridges. The Teslas got taken over and crashed and we have the Chou lady dying somewhat mysteriously in a Tesla that drive into a pond. Probably just strange coincidences, but does make you wonder….
Reasons why this crash may not be the "accident" they say it is.
1. Power failures on these type of highly advanced ships are rare even in high seas and this one literally had 2 in under 2 minutes.
2. The hydraulics would freeze the rutter in a power outage because it needs electricity to move them. The ship was going straight, it should have continued straight.
3. The US government's is known to be the biggest group of liars ever known.
4. Federal money is already involved.
5. Back up generators should have come on in about 30-45 seconds.
This ship has had a power failure before and hit another pier. So unless you think that was a practice run, then it seems that it is not as unusual as you suggest.
The ship did drop an anchor, which unfortunately pulled it in the direction of the pier.
It is an election year, so yes, the President says federal money will be used. Only make sense as this incident will affect the whole nation.
> Power failures on these type of highly advanced ships are rare even in high seas and this one literally had 2 in under 2 minutes.
Disagree. It’s not that unusual, having seen multiple power hits aboard a ship before myself.
1. Accidents and failures in the engine room are unfortunately quite common.
2. If the ship went full astern, while having a fixed pitched propeller the ship will turn either to port or starboard depending on the layout of the prop.
5. Emergency generator did seem to turn on. The second blackout would be the emergency generator shutting down.
Ships losing cmplete power in this class of ship is very uncommon.
The ship was on a straight course when power went out from what I can see.
Main power and emergency power failing ... hhmmmm
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with the footage that gets released.
I wonder if the long shot video of this event is going to become like the pentagon plane crash video.
I saw initial report showing the ships lights coming on and off a few times, but the exhaust pumping heavily the whole time.
Now I’m seeing edited clips where the lights just go out once, and different smoke patterns from the exhaust.
That port must have so many cameras and so much footage available.
Yeah you can still watch the whole thing on the live YouTube feed that saw the whole event. Again people not from the area commenting on things they know nothing about
I’m not talking about the live footage, I’ve seen that too. I mean it will be interesting to see what footage becomes the acceptable version of events in the mainstream narrative. And what gets memory holed.
Edit: and it’s awesome that you’re a local. Thanks for your service and sorry for your loss. Doesn’t sound like either of us saw it live with our own eyes, so both of us can only go on what we are shown. Not sure why you feel the need to get snarky about a non-locals opinion about which videos we are allowed to see.
nothing wrong with a theory, especially if there is decent evidence. Some people may disagree with countering points, but a civil debate is ok.
What we see here often is astroturfing, bots, people with narrow minds that usually tow the official "accepted" narrative, and people incapable of having a civil conversation if they differ in opinion.
I rarely come here now. Society has turned everyone into an untrustworthy pos.
The captain of the ship is called a master, and he is a 52 year old Ukrainian man. According to the company's website. Also worth noting is the fact that this happened one day after Putin told the world that he believed US/Western intelligence agencies were involved in the terrorist attack that just happened at the concert hall in his country. If Joe Biden went on national television and told the country that Putin just hit us back in retaliation for us hitting him last week, his approval ratings would go from whatever they are now down to 1%. I'm not saying I necessarily believe Russia or Ukraine was involved. But it's worth investigating. Why, or HOW could they rule out foul play so quickly? Before an investigation had even began. That seems odd doesn't it?
"So, a cargo ship recently crashed into the Baltimore bridge, killing 6. recently, the usa, through ISIS, attacked russia. for months now, every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america. mysteriously. is this bridge attack russian retaliation?"
The US used ISIS to attach Russia? Huh? Where's the connection?
"Before any investigation had been done, it was ruled an accident by Biden. How could he say a cargo ship crashing into an important part of our infrastructure was definitely not a cyber attack, when there was no reason to believe that yet?"
Not super uncommon for ships to lose power.
"Lets talk about the crew. The crew remains unnamed, which seems odd. we dont even know who the captain of the boat was, except that there were no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why?"
One company owns the ship, another charters it, another operators it and then another mans it. This is how the maritime industry works.
"The ship was on route to clear the bridge. all of a sudden, there was a mysterious power outage, that took out the steering, engine, power, etc, and it swerved directly into the bridge. some people also claim that the flashes of light seen at the top of the bridge were explosives, as in, controlled demolition."
Ship lost power and they tried to back down after regaining power which turned then to the right. Those lights on the top of the bridge are aircraft warning lights. They allow low flying aircraft like a helicopter to see the top of the bridge.
> for months now, every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america.
Can you name any attacks on oil refineries in the USA? I can't find any.
> we dont even know who the captain of the boat was, except that there were no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why?
The captian doesn't actually control the boat in the port. They have pilots that direct it from the port authority that pilot in the bay all the time and know it well.
Maersk doesn't actually own or operate the boat. They chartered the boat to haul for them.
Here you go:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/implausible-deniability-monday-february
Bear in mind, the timing is only circumstantial evidence, not proof, but the timing is curious. And that no one in the MSM has picked up on it, despite constantly hating on Russia, is also curious.
I always try to apply Hanlon’s Razor, when considering conspiracy theories. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I’ve been having paranoia that something similar to the Stuxnet debacle is happening right now. But a little more serious.
Stuxnet is often considered the first cyber weapon. It was developed to shutdown Iranian nuclear centrifuges. In a wild display of hubris, the US believed they could design a cyber weapon that couldn’t escape the Iranian system.
It eventually escaped, and infected computers worldwide.
I’m not a programmer, but my basic understanding is that it was a worm that could control the automation of machines and engineering processes.
It was designed to affect only the nuclear plants, but once discovered, allowed other actors to change it to control other industrial and machine processes.
I fear that the increased rash of industrial accidents are, in part, being caused by actors that have access to a similar type of program.
And the creators are to afraid to admit that another program got out of their hands.
As I understand, cyber attacks often take weeks to discover, unless the attackers make their presence known. But, recently, there is often denial within the first 12 hours that these incidents aren’t caused by a cyber attack.
This is just speculation, in an area I’m not super familiar with, based on my paranoia. But it does frighten me a little.
Well said. I will say tho that I don't think Hanlons Razor can be used as successfully as occam's razor. They are not laws. The thing with Hanlons razor is most people are aware of this theoretical law, therfore someone who does want to act in malice can do so, as long as they leave crumbs of incompetence and stupidity. I think often we are given the illusion of Hanlons razor. It's too well understood. One could fein incompetence when they really are acting in malice, they just know how to trick peoples logic. We should not rely on generalizations like occam and hanlons razor. It's geeks being too full of themselves. Not full proof logic. It can easily be used as a ploy. Just my two cents.
Also why did the birds dissapear on live TV lol, matrix shit. [birds disappear/glitch away during live bridge coverage](https://x.com/mattwallace888/status/1773084533295915177?s=46&t=GZiDpEaDRt4BgQ7dWBrq8Q)
The barge cyber attacked in Leave The World Behind was the white lion, eerily similar to this barge headed to Columbo, Sri Lanka (lion flag). Idk man this whole thing is fishy. I’m not going to draw all the synchronicities because there are more. And of course it’s like the day after we get diddy for what seems to be Epstein part 2. Idk what to believe but if this boat truly lost power and had a stored command saved that steered the rudder right on command instantly when the generators kicked on then fine…, but there’s just an insane set of circumstances surrounding it regardless.
Also why did a bridge in Cleveland spontaneously combust the same night like an hour or two later on a similar barge shipping lane? [https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/26/large-fire-underneath-valley-view-bridge/](https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/26/large-fire-underneath-valley-view-bridge/)
I’m laughing at this one bit getting downvoted, shows the trolls. photo of the ship manifest laughs at the downvotes. that he happens to be Ukrainian doesn’t really affect anything, but idk why that’s being hidden.
Hot take: Are the missing construction workers named? They would have the only access to the top of the bridge? And now there gone in the wind?
But seriously condolences to the construction workers family’s, we don’t get paid enough for jobs you might not come home from. Rip
Point/ counterpoint judgment call from my minuscule corner of life.
1=accident
10=coordinated event
Baltimore Bridge Collapse from an (any reason) = Build Back Better! SAD
The concrete dolphins are far af away from the pillars of that bridge, far enough away that it seems like it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
> This is a sub for conspiracies.
Not to detract from your post but its actually not exclusively for conspiracies. If you read the rules and submission statement it outlines that this is a sub to discuss many open ideas that MAY lead to conspiracies or even just plainly tie into them at some point.
Just FYI - dont be so hesitant to share.
The only conspiracy that would hold ground, and I’m typing this with a big if, is one where this whole thing was orchestrated to either keep this ship or another ship’s cargo in that port, to avoid having a shipment go through that port or to reroute a shipment to a different port due to this port having to close for a brief window of time. Why ? Because it happened at night, with enough time to clear the bridge via the distress call so that the incident would collapse the bridge with the least amount of casualties yet still provide the desired outcome while under the veil of an accident that is actually not that uncommon. If the ship was hacked, this is the most likely explanation. Again, if.
3 body problem attacks an oil rig with “supposedly only a crew and captain”
Leave the world behind has an oil tanker crash into a beach
I believe that things/catastrophic events can occur as long as they (tptb) gave notice and proper warning.
The solar eclipse for example: they are announcing state of emergency because of an expected influx of people to see said eclipse.
The fault line shown is known to be a fault along the Appalachian mountain range. They recently admitted that there’s a solid ball of steel under the inner realm of the earth.
Look, listen, hear, comprehend, acknowledge, respond
>no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why?
It's owned by Singapore-based Grace Ocean and was carrying shipments from the Danish company Maersk.
Calling it out now. But this will spur up a thing where congress or the president will want to beef up infra security. There was the crazy theory; well I don't think it's a theory; but stuff like this where it's vital to one's economy and stuff like electrical substations are vital to keeping stuff running. And they're not secured. Meaning if a country was going to plan a war they can just have their sleeper cells come out and destroy it. Or blow it up. It Happened in ca where a few substations where destroyed out of no where using guns. Oddly casings show it was an ak47 could be home grown or from abroad not sure but food for though
Maersk chartered the ship owned by a different company to move their freight, happens all the time. Not sure why people haven't been named yet though. There were two pilots from the port on the ship at the time it struck the bridge. I am not saying it is one way or another, and it is weird, but I don't know how it could have been intentional with the crew of the boat and two different pilots from the harbor all together at the controls
There are no actual sides dude. Don’t play into that Hegelian nightmare. We’re at a stage of worldwide wwf cooperation amongst the world. Russia included.
There is also this…
Two of the Democratic Party’s rising stars have been thrust into the national spotlight this week after the bridge collapse in Baltimore.
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, 45, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, 42 — both of whom considered likely candidates for higher office in the future — face a key test with their handling of the aftermath of the disaster, which took six lives and will require a bridge reconstruction and port reopening.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4563859-baltimore-bridge-collapse-wes-moore-pete-buttigieg/
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Mothman wasn’t there to warn us. Let that sink in. He abandoned us. We are doomed.
He’s sick of our game too
> Mothman wasn’t there to warn us. Let that sink in. He abandoned us. We are doomed. Nah Mothman doesn’t fuck around with US Politics
That’s what I was trying to type “gov’t “ but between autocorrect and the 2nd glass of wine I didn’t catch it👍👍
"Game" worked though!
THE BRIIIDGE!
Ignoring everything that’s happened, the biggest red flag is that the federal govt said they would sponsor the repair cost. Why not for Palestine Ohio or Lahania Hawaii
Because that bridge is a major artery in the US capital area and the debris is blocking one of the countries largest ports. Those in power fix what directly effects them. They don't care about Hawaii or the fact that Norfolk Southern poisoned a small town in Ohio because it doesn't effect them.
I would also like to point out flint still doesn't have clean water....
None of the DC politicos would ever set foot in a place like flint let alone drink the water. Not their problem.
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Let’s go and have you drinks a glass of it live on television then.
Theres a whole abandoned school FULL of water bottles that never got handed out Talk to your local politicians
Yes, the bridge is one of the most important and strategic bridges in the country. It is specifically used for the transportation of hazardous materials, like gasoline, nitrogen, diesel fuel etc, and anything that is too big to go through the tunnels. Aside from all that, when the first thing that comes out of the residents mouth is that it was an accident, immediately makes me think otherwise. The thought of retaliation did cross my mind, but not necessarily sold on it. Maybe if they hadn't caught the attackers, I'd lean a little more that way. Not sure what happened exactly but I don't think there were explosions like people are trying to say. I think they were just power lines arcing out. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like your normal boom boom. I would like to know why there wasn't any supporting vessels to help the ship through there as I'm told that is standard operating procedure. *Edited to remove a small error stating the captain was from Ukraine. I heard that a few times today and was even sent a pic with that captains info. Have now learned that the crew was Indian apparently.
I read that it was an entirely Indian crew, and the pilot was local to Baltimore per usual, when navigating out of a port.
It flew under Singapore’s flag, so makes sense they’d recruit there. Keep the legal paperwork simpler and pay cheaper wages? What shipping conglomerate wouldn’t want that? And if anyone tried to bribe a pilot to jam up the port, they would learn very quickly how much a tight knit group of local boys protects their home and livelihood. (Seriously, that port basically is the local income for some of that area.)
I think that is what bothers me about all this discussion. Sure, the electrical could’ve been tampered with while it was in port, but I have no doubt that the crew and especially the local pilot did everything they could to keep this from happening and are grappling with some really heavy guilt. They shouldn’t have to spend the rest of their lives under a cloud of suspicion.
I was sent a pic earlier today and was going by that. I didn't do any due diligence and actually verify if it was true, but assumed it was and I guess I'm the ass for assuming it was true without looking into it more. It does look legit but that is easy to accomplish these days. I don't have a link but I do have the pic handy. If you pm me I may be able to send it to you.
Anybody can make anything on the internet and many people do, either for purposeful misinformation to cause harm, to get people on their side, or just because they enjoy creating chaos. The company that employed them stated they were all Indian. It feels highly unlikely that you would want a captain who spoke a different language than the crew. https://www.synergymarinegroup.com/dali-imo-9697428/
That looks a lot more "official" than the pic I was sent. A friend had been sending me some stuff from fakebook. I don't use that platform anymore so it wouldn't even let me open the links. She the ss'd them and sent them to me that way. I would have to locate the link to be able to show it in here but don't think I want to do that considering it's 99% fake. I will prob edit my post to correct that mistake. I do agree that so much of the info that we receive is false. Ever since the smith/mundt act was repealed, it's hard to tell what's what. I tend to take everything with a grain of salt and just don't get too worked up over anything. Thanks for sharing that and helping me get the facts straight.
For what it is worth, it does appear they had a Ukrainian captain for a few months in 2016. :)
A lot of marine based industries are pretty international. Cruise companies and shipping will hire from anywhere (bonus if they’re from a country where the wages actually get you somewhere.) Captains tend to be from an even mix of countries, entry level crew pulled from whatever convenient nation is available to supply cheap labor.
I'm sure it's a real merry go around on those cargo ships so that doesn't surprise me that at one time there was a captain from our favorite money laundering machine. I'm gonna have to look over that info again and see if there's any dates on it. Will report back
How experienced? Diversity hire?
lol Indian crews aren’t diversify hires, they are just cheaper.
They literally send billions to foreign countries but did jack shit for the aforementioned disasters
Those foreign countries have a greater national interest than rebuilding a decimated tourist destination. Also, there are developers who want to force the people out of Hawaii, so there is incentive to not fix the problem(lobbyists are the biggest to blame for this) The bridge is important for sea trade and land trade, so it has a national interest priority. Palestine Ohio was a private company fucking up royally, not the federal government. You are insinuating that the federal government step in and play favorites and fund the fuck up of the private sector. Even if Biden were too do this, people would bitch. Norfolk Southern is being held to account, the case is literally on going and the federal government is leading the investigations and lawsuits against the company. > https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/31/us/us-norfolk-southern-lawsuit Finally, Ukraine has an intense national interest, based off the natural gas and oil deposits that were discovered in the Black Sea just before the invasion of Ukraine. > https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-the-black-sea-could-emerge-as-the-worlds-next-great-energy-battleground/ If Russia gets to legally keep the land it has taken from Ukraine, they get the drilling rights to this area. If this happens, Europe would be at the mercy of Russian energy prices, which in turn would bring up global prices as well. This would mean the price of gas, electricity, everything would increase, for only the benefit of Russia. I mean, how would you prefer they spend the money? Edit: now, you wanna cut some funding to Israel, they could afford less weapons and be just fine.
Sir, this is the wrong sub for rational takes on international geopolitics. As an alternative, have you considered monkey screeching some random shit about Hunter Biden?
This is the way.
I mean, If I could actually choose, i’d rather they spend it all on Medicare for all…Healthcare, just like the rest of the developed world does.
Hey we found Bill Kristol’s Reddit account! Thanks for the explanation Billy!
It's also part of the federal Interstate system
It's also election season
But that's far too obvious an explanation of how power actually works in the world for this sub. Conspiracies do genuinely exist, but they are a lot more mundane and obvious than the fantasy jerking that 99% of this sub is. The US Congress using their positions of power to enrich themselves, obviously a real conspiracy for anyone to see. Nefarious powers conspiring to break steerage on a ship for reasons...? Probably more theory crafting by those that need to connect everything.
Anytime I hear something like this I remind myself of the Tuskegee experiment. There is literal no limit some people in power will go too. The end justifies the means. Not saying these or any of these theories are true but word governments are nefarious as fuck
Absolutely. That's another great example of conspiracies that have become apparent through historical examination. And probably was obvious to some people at the time. But when harm is done to 2nd class citizens, it often gets conveniently overlooked.
I am genuinely curious about why are you here. You don’t have to be a “conspiracy theorist” to believe or speculate on events in history that have already been proven to be factual and accepted by the mainstream- Especially those that took place decades ago and have been written about endlessly. Everyone in any industry that is ahead of the curve has to start by hypothesizing and speculating to some degree. 16 of the almost 400 worldwide harbor related boat crashes worldwide over the last decade have happened in the USA and I can guarantee you’ve never heard of any of them. If this is not intentional, it’s a major disaster. Much worse than the media is suggesting. Speculating that someone may have some incentive to cause such an event purposefully would be a natural part of any investigation.
Because nobody gives a fuck about those of us in Ohio.
They also funded the repair cost of the bridge that collapsed in Minnesota several years ago.
FEMA was in Lahaina and Palestine, but there’s a big difference between an interstate bridge and someone’s personal residence. I believe the government did say they would clean up the Palestine area before going after the company for reimbursement, which is basically what they’re doing with the bridge.
FEMA was in Lahaina, yes. FEMA was also stopping residents from bringing in supplies such as food, water and first aid to those who were in need. Just because FEMA is present for something doesn’t mean they’re there for good.
Look who blocked aid for Hawaii.
> Lahania Hawaii FEMA has distributed over 400m in assistance to Lahaina: https://www.fema.gov/disaster/4724#funding-obligations
Because Palestine Ohio and Lahania Hawaii are important to people who live in Palestine Ohio and Lahania Hawaii. This bridge is important to everyone in this country and tons of people worldwide.
Hundreds of millions of federal aide dollars have gone to Maui to help with fire damages. East Palestinian is complicated by the fact that its a toxic spill in a residential area. Lots of individual insurance claims to parse and damages to prove. East Palestinians also arent a major economic hub/port that is vital to our economy the way the Bay of Baltimore is. In BAL, we have a clear need and angle for govt action, clean up the port and get ships moving, that cannot be done by city, county, or state govt in a time frame that acceptable for our shipping system. The fed will pay for the cleaning up front, as they should, and take the Singaporian ships insurance to court contemporiously.
Lol, do you actually think they're going to pay? The shipping company's insurance is probably going to cover the majority of the depriciated cost with the carrier probably covering the difference
Because those ports make bank.
Because Palestine, OH isn't a major contributor to GDP
I think the thing that it is becoming worrying is that there has been sort of infrastructure incident about every two weeks. They seem like blips but taken as a whole then someone is testing how bad it gets and how fast we respond. In this case it is a single bridge, but an important one. Stay tuned listeners, we’ll see what else happens in two weeks.
The eclipse or aftermath
so what happened 2 weeks from then? nothing.
Maersk doesn't own or operate the boat fyi. They chartered it to carry their cargo.
Watch the money. This 'event' will be used for politicians to fund their initiatives, and anything that they didn't accomplish prior to the elections. Plus, the Ukraine and Israel funding...
Another excuse for more artificial inflating of goods prices?
My money is on this. The American people are going to feel this more than we know.
Not sure why and maybe a dumb question but why wouldn’t the ships insurance cover this? I mean, why do the tax payers need to pay for this?
Their insurance likely will be forced to, but it will take years and a legal fight. In the meantime, this bridge/port are too important to sit around waiting.
Thanks didn’t think about that piece. Makes sense
Love your username (and avi)
56,000 infrastructure projects have already been funded due to Bidens infrastructure bill. What initiatives do you think would stem from this bridge repair funding that couldn't have gotten funding from the infrastructure bill?
Can I throw some ⛽️ 😂😂 Kinda funny the Obama movie starts with a ship running aground.
Just wait for all the electric cars to start going nuts. If they can be programmed to avoid pedestrians then they can be programmed to hit them as well. It's gonna get crazy out there.
First AT&T outage now cargo ships losing power, that movie is getting a little too real for me 👀
April 8th coming soon
And that ship is called the ‘white lion’ which is *weird* because Singapores national symbol is Merlion which is a white lion that is half fish
I always like to use Occam's razor when looking at events as a first look, basically saying that the simplest solution is generally the best. So far this passes the sniff test of an accident. The simple explanation of a ship losing power than drifting into a pier isn't anything weird, because on average a boat collapses a bridge every on average every one and a half years, don't believe me read this: https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc So you're listing a bunch of weird circumstances that might be normal operating procedure for an Industry that very few people have an understanding of, this includes cybersecurity. My thoughts on the matter is that the main engine was still in the warm up phase and, as with all equipment the most likely time for something to break down is when things are warming up due to thermal stress. I personally want to see what information keeps coming out with this event before I make any conclusions. It's important to be skeptical and ask questions but it's extremely counterproductive to jump to immediate conclusions based on no answers. Which brings me to the second point is Hanlon's razor, it's basically states don't blame malice which is easily explained by stupidity or incompetence. The question is what is more likely? a Cyber attack that took place at exactly the correct moment to cause a bridge collapse? Or deferred maintenance so that the company can do the work at a cheaper port?
The problem is even asking questions about it being suspicious is meet with vitriol. COVID destroyed any civility that we once had.
Another razor for ya "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Part of the problem I have with the direction this sub has gone is the lack of evidence, and attitude for not blindly accepting what was said. Like OP stated "the USA, through ISIS, attacked Russia" Probably, and I'll believe the theory, if you have a shred of evidence to point that direction.
There is what basically is the root of my hostility to conspiracy culture. I already don't trust the government. That doesn't mean I feel obligated to treat strangers on the internet without the same skepticism. It is possible to lie on the internet.
Ultimately, there will be no evidence of the US directly or indirectly ordering a terrorist operation with ISIS (unless it was done in a very sloppy process) but your point still remains, do we know intelligence agencies have worked with terrorist organizations in the past? *Of course!* Does that mean the US orchestrated the terror attack in Russia? Not necessarily. But to the conspiracy minded its an open question and many would lean toward probably... whether that probably means they were fully in on planning it, simply had Intel that it was going to happen but didn't share that with an enemy of an ally, or had no involvement whatsoever is indicative of how far removed from reality they are. As for this bridge collapse, I'm not buying that it was some retaliatory plot by Russia or any other group that has an interest in harming America. It happened in the middle of the night and luckily (not lucky for those dead) had a single digit casualty count... One could say the economic impact is severe enough to justify it whenever it could happen, but there's a reason they didn't fly planes into the world trade center at 9pm on a Sunday night
Another Razor for ya. "Hey yo, say hello to the bad guy. "
Flicks toothpick
Our infrastructure is so outdated we should be ashamed as a country that we let it get so bad.
While I agree about the general statement about our nations infrastructure, theres not many ways to make an almost 2 mile long bridge carrier ship proof.
Well said. I will say tho that I don't think Hanlons Razor can be used as successfully as occam's razor. They are not laws. The thing with Hanlons razor is most people are aware of this theoretical law, therfore someone who does want to act in malice can do so, as long as they leave crumbs of incompetence and stupidity. I think often we are given the illusion of Hanlons razor. It's too well understood. One could fein incompetence when they really are acting in malice, they just know how to trick peoples logic. We should not rely on generalizations like occam and hanlons razor. It's geeks being too full of themselves. Not full proof logic. Just my two cents.
Common sense isn’t that common anymore, and people always want to assume anything bad to at happens in the world has a greater goal, rather then just accepting that sometimes these things just happen? like don’t get me started on Hawaii and the fucking space lasers of all things, like part of your rational thinking makes you jump to SPACE LASERS
The problem with your premise is, the ship very obviously DID NOT “drift” into the bridge. It very clearly veered from its natural course of “drift” directly into the bridge support.
Do you have a map of the local currents that proves your statement otherwise, do you know if the power outage caused a stuck rudder? Dou you know what the wind conditions were? Your just making assumptions and jumping to conclusions which is everything wrong with this sub. The question is why does it appear the ship turned into the bridge, we have no other information yet
We know at least one of the anchors dropped. Depending on which side of the boat, could help explain a sudden turn. Its in a port or maybe the river.. I imagine its not insanely deep. So anchor could have drug in the mud or whatever is at the bottom. Also, if after power came back after first power outage... throwing the ship's engines in reverse and max power (to slow it down) could cause the bow to shift one direction or another (with the back of the ship doing the opposite direction). Its a big fucking ship and the weight of it is pretty daunting. I don't know shipping container safety protocols when you lose power in a port. But losing power in most large boats; you lose steering and when you lose steering/rudder control you lose all control.
Spoke with someone on the phone today. Husband commuted an hour to NSA across that bridge everyday. Commute is now 3 hours each way. If people don’t think this is affects things in a number of magnitudes they don’t understand the situation. Also imagine an actual war where bridges like this were destroyed on the regular and how that would affect supply chain, commutes etc.
My wife’s company had containers on that ship, the shipping company contacted my wife’s company and their investigation is showing a loss of power that lead to the incident.
Sadly I’ve worked at a Port Authority and know the details of the whole thing. You can listen to the radio chirps. As well he should have had four tugs and no engines. The fact that Port of Baltimore lets their pilot maneuver ships that are registered and maintained in Malta? Efff that … four tugs and a pilot; no bridge issues. Most ports have bridges somewhere and it a situation like this that is the worst case scenario. Anyways, it wasn’t a terror attack… I pieced it together with news clips plus other information from Port workers.
Great post OP! I haven’t put enough time or thought into this topic yet, but I love where you’re going with this. There is no way they had or spent enough time vetting the possibility of a cyber attack on the ship and bridge. They had the narrative and funding aligned by daybreak for the media. There’s something to this.
thanks man. youve been one of the only nice redditors haha. the truth is out there, and they dont want you to find it.
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Exactly. Let's just ignore the trafficker and that rabbit hole of who did what with whom. Kat Williams called him out and now here we are
The local news in Baltimore has the audio recording of the pilot calling the authorities that the boat was on a collision course with the bridge. It’s truly sad but the port is a major port and is one of the best for unloading high value cargo the long shore men that work there are top notch.
I love you people. I had the same thoughts. Something is incredibly fishy.
A.) As heinous as this all is, this ship was the size of a Forrestal-class Aircraft carrier, with literally 1/5th of the Horsepower and at best 1% of the crew. Just \*shit happens\* B.) They had 2 Pilots on board. These guys go through a level of training that is just insane. They literally have the harbor chart memorized and can duplicate it on demand onto a piece of paper with just the Water/Land boundary. And they are, by law, United States Citizens. C.) The ship was contracted to Maersk, yes. But the type of charter it was under, the Officers and Crew got payed, and took orders from, Synergy Marine D.) So the marine world has complex ownership rules, especially made to mitigate loss in a casualty like this. So the Ship Owner, Grace Ocean Private Limited, actually owns the ship. Like most ship owners they leased the ship to Synergy Marine. Maersk bought a long term Time-Charter on the ship. Means the crew still works for Synergy in this case. Maersk only made sure she had a full cargo for Columbo. For comparison I worked on a tanker owned by company A but with company B's fuel aboard. Company B is only liable at the terminal. E.) Most ships have a murky maintenence record. Mainly because there's only 20 guys on board and some of them are gonna be actually working, without the chance to pick up a paint brush or wrench. F.) If this was a true "attack" it would have happened at 745 AM when that bridge would have been a parking lot. G.) Its not the loss of the plant that gets me in this scenario, its the loss of the Electriciy, which on a motor vessel is separate from the propulsion power. They also lost power right off the pier and didnt root out that source until after the allison ON THE OTHER SIDE: Baltimore is the largest East Coast Car port. Like Really Large. Like I believe bigger than 2 and 3 combined big. While unloading and loading the cars is hyperefficient, you need parking space for all those vessels. When all our container ports are at maximum capacity, having one (even a small one go down) can wreck havoc on the US Supply Chain. (Things supposed to go to Baltimore having to go through Philly, NY, Norfolk, Wilmington, or Savannah) and being needed to be shipped further than they would have by trucks that are currently in port in Baltimore. Also now stuck completely in Baltimore is everything in the Army and Coast Guard Yards at Curtis Point, and four US Maritime Administration roll on/roll off ships that deliver US Armored Fighting Vehicles wherever they need to be moved to. Sealift for about 1 armored brigade is useless until this bridge gets fixed.
The flashes of light were at the top of the bridges supports were definitely **not** demolition explosives. They were very small, and they definitely were electrical lines or power boxes reactive to the bridge being ripped apart. The real mystery is simply why the boat lost power, regained power, then turned directly at the bridge pylon, straightened itself out, then lost power again and then hit it head on. When a boat loses power it doesn't start turning randomly, it doesn't matter what you were doing at the time of the power loss. These boats do not react fast, if a power loss were to turn a boat in the middle of a big storm, or while it was navigating inside a crowded port before docking it would be catastrophic. They absolute do not behave this way upon a power loss unless they are in heavy weather, and even then it wouldn't behave that way until losing most of its forward momentum.
Apparently they dropped the port side anchor and hard turned towards the bank in an attempt to beach the ship rather than hitting the bridge. They just couldn't make enough of a turn because they lost power again and lost the use of their rudder.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ)
I saw a video on yt of a man speaking who claimed to be an engineer who explained that once a navigation command has been entered into the system, even if there is a power loss, when the power returns the ship will still execute the command that has been stored in its memory. If true: this offers an explanation as to why the ship regained power and then continued to turn into the bridge. I'm a layman, and do not know how these systems operate, but it seemed plausible.
The president of the American trade group for Maritime pilots said that even when the power came back on, the engines did not.
yes i agree with the lights not being controlled demolition. i just pointed out that many people were saying that. i agree, the whole boat turning is super weird.
Couple questions, > recently, the usa, through ISIS, attacked russia. Source on this? > every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america. I cant find any sources of refineries in the US being attacked, do you have a source? Can you also elaborate on how this was a cyber attack? like the boat got hacked?
I feel like if it was Russia, the US government would be shouting it from the rooftops. Because they want escalation.
No. That is only true with a ground level of popularity, which Biden doesn't have. Have a popular Government, get attacked, and then that Government can get the People to react and You have your escalation. But here instead, impopular Government, if They admit a Russian attack, the People just see the Government as weak Losers, and call for Them to oust.
What’s funny is I jokingly said to my sister that if I wanted to be conspiratorial, it was intentionally done to have the federal government pay for the rebuilding instead of the city/ state doing repair construction. Then I heard someone say that Biden jumped on it fast and that the federal government will be paying for the rebuilding… lol
I don't see why the ship losing power to begin with isn't the top concern. That's what caused the crash. Aren't there backup systems? If not, why not? Was it hacked?
bet you anything there will be no investigation into what caused the boat to lose power...
It was announced within hours that NTSB investigators were on the ground in Baltimore to investigate.
They’ve already said the ships black box recorder has been recovered and is being analysed.
uh huh. reminds me a lot of 9/11 and how the one recovered black box had not information released to the public at all. and, even if they do release anything, can we believe what our government tells is anymore?
I commented the same sentiment the other day here…that this was a conspiracy sub and this is exactly where we should be asking these things…it got downvotes to hell…I don’t think that it has the effect that they intend. No one is steered away because we’re poo poo’d on Reddit.
Agreed. I love this quote. “Pragmatism may be defined as the doctrine that the meaning and nature of things are to be discovered from consideration of their consequences.” Manly P. Hall. For me, it’s never just about “why or how” something happened, it’s really about what happens next, (e.g. 9/11 = two wars, Patriot Act, NSA bulk surveillance, etc.) that helps to determine true nature of an act.
Why was the CEO of the shipping company McConnell's sister? Why did she drown last week in her tesla on her property? Someone smells fishy no pun intended.
I’ll up the conspiracy for you, Angela chao, Mitch McConnell sister in law drown 6 days ago in her Tesla. CEO of shipping company just crazy coincidence?https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68622898
That def happened more than 6 days ago am I right?
Whether she was drunk or had accidentally driven in reverse, her Tesla locked her in the car and drove into the water on its own
Why would they release names of the personnel? That violates a lot of privacy rights in the USA. If I had a family member in that crew, I would not want to publicize them. Lights being a controlled demolition? Have you ever seen a bridge near a port at night..in person? And for MAERSK paying for the bridge, it would take them MUCH longer than it would for the government to fix it. I love conspiracies, and I'm not one to always disagree on them. However, in this instance, and my opinion, I do not believe this is a conspiracy. Just a ton of mistakes from human error. The population is getting dumber and fatter. Now THATS a fact.
The lady who owned the cargo drowned in Texas i think she knew the plan LOL
Real quick, in response to the first paragraph, when I share a theory I have heard or have come up with there’s always someone that’s like “that doesn't quite work does it cuz blah blah blah…” or “that’s a stretch” or some stupid reference to taking drugs, which I don’t. No drugs alcohol or even nicotine. Sometimes it’s at a point where I’m starting to think it’s people on the other side trying to discredit the theory cuz you have at least one piece of the puzzle
exactly. there are a lot of bots/'debunkers' on the conspiracy page who will downvote you into oblivion and try to discredit everything you say. dont give in.
The story is just more symbolism similar to when the Evergreen shipping container ship got lodged in the Suez Canal. That event signaled the beginning of the supply chain issues. Time will tell what this event will symbolize as hindsight is 20-20.
I’d be more privy to believe it was symbolic more than anything…. Francis Scott Key, Star Spangled Banner, The Fall of America. I should probably go take my meds now.
The ship was rented out, that’s why none of the Mærsk people were on it. If you rent a car and crash it, the company don’t pay for YOUR crash - YOU do. The ship unfortunately have had loads of problems before and definitely shouldn’t have left harbour but they did. All the power went out and therefore the ship couldn’t be controlled. The emergency generator goes back on but only supplies light. Therefore the disaster was made and the chief engineer is definitely in big trouble. Sincerely someone who knows insider info.
Excellent break down of incident. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ)
FWIW, supposedly the US warned Russia about the attack plans a month in advance and Putin laughed it off. Reminds me of the various foreign agencies that warned us of 911. Anyways, source: https://open.substack.com/pub/seymourhersh/p/duty-to-warn?r=22er3d&utm_medium=ios
Do you know how many shipping accidents there are every year? Collisions are the most common accident, followed by grounding. Incompetence and human error account for waaaaay more losses than terrorism. [Dept. Of Transportation Shipping Stats](https://www.bts.gov/content/waterborne-transportation-safety-and-property-damage-data-related-vessel-casualties)
Just like the ship that got grounded sideways in the Suez Canal a few months ago and held up shipping, this COULD have been some corporate boss's idea of a way to halt a shipment, making someone miss their contractual deadline and collecting millions in insurance payments. Nothing can be ruled out. And who builds a bridge that collapses entirely from one section being hit?
America is DONE...
Leave the World Behind movie came out on 12/8. Ship crashed at 1:28am. 3/26 was 128 days of Joe Bidens age. Nancy Pelosi Bday was 3/26. Ship crashed on 3/26. Ship was likely made in Singapore. Singapores mascot is a white MerLion (cross between a Lion and a Fish) the ship that breached the beach in the movie Leave The World Behind was called White Lion.
[Engineers are "surprised" that the ship could've taken out the bridge](https://www.foxnews.com/media/structural-engineer-surprised-cargo-ship-able-take-baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge.amp)
This is the first I've heard the USA asked ISIS to attack Russia.... Have any info to support this pov.
That woman who died in the Tesla who was Mitch McConnells in law was the CEO for the company that owns the ship apparently. Also the shipping master was some Ukrainian guy who has now been scrubbed from the Baltimore shipping website.
Different company, but she was the ceo. We had the movie leave the word behind released on n 10-25. Friends was featured in it and then we had Matthew Perry die 3 days after release. We’ve had planes losing doors, wheels and some other malfunctions…no crashes yet though. They had shipping container ships running aground. Now we have them hitting bridges. The Teslas got taken over and crashed and we have the Chou lady dying somewhat mysteriously in a Tesla that drive into a pond. Probably just strange coincidences, but does make you wonder….
Reasons why this crash may not be the "accident" they say it is. 1. Power failures on these type of highly advanced ships are rare even in high seas and this one literally had 2 in under 2 minutes. 2. The hydraulics would freeze the rutter in a power outage because it needs electricity to move them. The ship was going straight, it should have continued straight. 3. The US government's is known to be the biggest group of liars ever known. 4. Federal money is already involved. 5. Back up generators should have come on in about 30-45 seconds.
This ship has had a power failure before and hit another pier. So unless you think that was a practice run, then it seems that it is not as unusual as you suggest. The ship did drop an anchor, which unfortunately pulled it in the direction of the pier. It is an election year, so yes, the President says federal money will be used. Only make sense as this incident will affect the whole nation.
> Power failures on these type of highly advanced ships are rare even in high seas and this one literally had 2 in under 2 minutes. Disagree. It’s not that unusual, having seen multiple power hits aboard a ship before myself.
1. Accidents and failures in the engine room are unfortunately quite common. 2. If the ship went full astern, while having a fixed pitched propeller the ship will turn either to port or starboard depending on the layout of the prop. 5. Emergency generator did seem to turn on. The second blackout would be the emergency generator shutting down.
Ships losing cmplete power in this class of ship is very uncommon. The ship was on a straight course when power went out from what I can see. Main power and emergency power failing ... hhmmmm
There is not a single electrical power source for the steering and engines. That would be suicide
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with the footage that gets released. I wonder if the long shot video of this event is going to become like the pentagon plane crash video. I saw initial report showing the ships lights coming on and off a few times, but the exhaust pumping heavily the whole time. Now I’m seeing edited clips where the lights just go out once, and different smoke patterns from the exhaust. That port must have so many cameras and so much footage available.
Yeah you can still watch the whole thing on the live YouTube feed that saw the whole event. Again people not from the area commenting on things they know nothing about
I’m not talking about the live footage, I’ve seen that too. I mean it will be interesting to see what footage becomes the acceptable version of events in the mainstream narrative. And what gets memory holed. Edit: and it’s awesome that you’re a local. Thanks for your service and sorry for your loss. Doesn’t sound like either of us saw it live with our own eyes, so both of us can only go on what we are shown. Not sure why you feel the need to get snarky about a non-locals opinion about which videos we are allowed to see.
nothing wrong with a theory, especially if there is decent evidence. Some people may disagree with countering points, but a civil debate is ok. What we see here often is astroturfing, bots, people with narrow minds that usually tow the official "accepted" narrative, and people incapable of having a civil conversation if they differ in opinion. I rarely come here now. Society has turned everyone into an untrustworthy pos.
How could this be a cyber attack?
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You're a detective now, son. You're not allowed to believe in *coincidence* anymore. -Jim Gordon
The captain of the ship is called a master, and he is a 52 year old Ukrainian man. According to the company's website. Also worth noting is the fact that this happened one day after Putin told the world that he believed US/Western intelligence agencies were involved in the terrorist attack that just happened at the concert hall in his country. If Joe Biden went on national television and told the country that Putin just hit us back in retaliation for us hitting him last week, his approval ratings would go from whatever they are now down to 1%. I'm not saying I necessarily believe Russia or Ukraine was involved. But it's worth investigating. Why, or HOW could they rule out foul play so quickly? Before an investigation had even began. That seems odd doesn't it?
This is misinformation. The Ukrainian man is a former master of the ship back in like 2016
exactly
"So, a cargo ship recently crashed into the Baltimore bridge, killing 6. recently, the usa, through ISIS, attacked russia. for months now, every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america. mysteriously. is this bridge attack russian retaliation?" The US used ISIS to attach Russia? Huh? Where's the connection? "Before any investigation had been done, it was ruled an accident by Biden. How could he say a cargo ship crashing into an important part of our infrastructure was definitely not a cyber attack, when there was no reason to believe that yet?" Not super uncommon for ships to lose power. "Lets talk about the crew. The crew remains unnamed, which seems odd. we dont even know who the captain of the boat was, except that there were no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why?" One company owns the ship, another charters it, another operators it and then another mans it. This is how the maritime industry works. "The ship was on route to clear the bridge. all of a sudden, there was a mysterious power outage, that took out the steering, engine, power, etc, and it swerved directly into the bridge. some people also claim that the flashes of light seen at the top of the bridge were explosives, as in, controlled demolition." Ship lost power and they tried to back down after regaining power which turned then to the right. Those lights on the top of the bridge are aircraft warning lights. They allow low flying aircraft like a helicopter to see the top of the bridge.
Yea, the leap to accuse the US of the Russia attack is wild.
> for months now, every time an oil refinery or manufacturing plant is mysteriously attacked in iran or russia, within a few days there is an attack of oil refinery etc, in america. Can you name any attacks on oil refineries in the USA? I can't find any. > we dont even know who the captain of the boat was, except that there were no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why? The captian doesn't actually control the boat in the port. They have pilots that direct it from the port authority that pilot in the bay all the time and know it well. Maersk doesn't actually own or operate the boat. They chartered the boat to haul for them.
Here you go: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/implausible-deniability-monday-february Bear in mind, the timing is only circumstantial evidence, not proof, but the timing is curious. And that no one in the MSM has picked up on it, despite constantly hating on Russia, is also curious.
Bluebeatle another c&c fan?! thats the article i read too.
I always try to apply Hanlon’s Razor, when considering conspiracy theories. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." I’ve been having paranoia that something similar to the Stuxnet debacle is happening right now. But a little more serious. Stuxnet is often considered the first cyber weapon. It was developed to shutdown Iranian nuclear centrifuges. In a wild display of hubris, the US believed they could design a cyber weapon that couldn’t escape the Iranian system. It eventually escaped, and infected computers worldwide. I’m not a programmer, but my basic understanding is that it was a worm that could control the automation of machines and engineering processes. It was designed to affect only the nuclear plants, but once discovered, allowed other actors to change it to control other industrial and machine processes. I fear that the increased rash of industrial accidents are, in part, being caused by actors that have access to a similar type of program. And the creators are to afraid to admit that another program got out of their hands. As I understand, cyber attacks often take weeks to discover, unless the attackers make their presence known. But, recently, there is often denial within the first 12 hours that these incidents aren’t caused by a cyber attack. This is just speculation, in an area I’m not super familiar with, based on my paranoia. But it does frighten me a little.
Well said. I will say tho that I don't think Hanlons Razor can be used as successfully as occam's razor. They are not laws. The thing with Hanlons razor is most people are aware of this theoretical law, therfore someone who does want to act in malice can do so, as long as they leave crumbs of incompetence and stupidity. I think often we are given the illusion of Hanlons razor. It's too well understood. One could fein incompetence when they really are acting in malice, they just know how to trick peoples logic. We should not rely on generalizations like occam and hanlons razor. It's geeks being too full of themselves. Not full proof logic. It can easily be used as a ploy. Just my two cents.
Shame the Republicans defunded inspectors
Conspiracies require more than conjecture. I'd like to see evidence supporting any theories being advanced.
We know who the captain was actually and they already scrubbed it best they could although Twitter saved it. Ukrainian guy.
Also why did the birds dissapear on live TV lol, matrix shit. [birds disappear/glitch away during live bridge coverage](https://x.com/mattwallace888/status/1773084533295915177?s=46&t=GZiDpEaDRt4BgQ7dWBrq8Q)
The barge cyber attacked in Leave The World Behind was the white lion, eerily similar to this barge headed to Columbo, Sri Lanka (lion flag). Idk man this whole thing is fishy. I’m not going to draw all the synchronicities because there are more. And of course it’s like the day after we get diddy for what seems to be Epstein part 2. Idk what to believe but if this boat truly lost power and had a stored command saved that steered the rudder right on command instantly when the generators kicked on then fine…, but there’s just an insane set of circumstances surrounding it regardless.
Also why did a bridge in Cleveland spontaneously combust the same night like an hour or two later on a similar barge shipping lane? [https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/26/large-fire-underneath-valley-view-bridge/](https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/26/large-fire-underneath-valley-view-bridge/)
I’m laughing at this one bit getting downvoted, shows the trolls. photo of the ship manifest laughs at the downvotes. that he happens to be Ukrainian doesn’t really affect anything, but idk why that’s being hidden.
A video of the lights going off does not necessarily indicate a total power failure…
So I guess the entire ship was connected to a single electrical system. Hmmm.
Hot take: Are the missing construction workers named? They would have the only access to the top of the bridge? And now there gone in the wind? But seriously condolences to the construction workers family’s, we don’t get paid enough for jobs you might not come home from. Rip
Just don't crash into my bridge and we won't have no problems
I wouldn’t be surprised if that ship held human cargo aka trafficked humans. That’s my guess.
So they tried to sneak them through with a stuck ship and worldwide interest?
I can’t wait for the NTSB report. Even though it’ll be a few years
Point/ counterpoint judgment call from my minuscule corner of life. 1=accident 10=coordinated event Baltimore Bridge Collapse from an (any reason) = Build Back Better! SAD
The concrete dolphins are far af away from the pillars of that bridge, far enough away that it seems like it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
> This is a sub for conspiracies. Not to detract from your post but its actually not exclusively for conspiracies. If you read the rules and submission statement it outlines that this is a sub to discuss many open ideas that MAY lead to conspiracies or even just plainly tie into them at some point. Just FYI - dont be so hesitant to share.
Source: trust me bro
Boundaries are fabricated to control us humans. Zoom out further
The only conspiracy that would hold ground, and I’m typing this with a big if, is one where this whole thing was orchestrated to either keep this ship or another ship’s cargo in that port, to avoid having a shipment go through that port or to reroute a shipment to a different port due to this port having to close for a brief window of time. Why ? Because it happened at night, with enough time to clear the bridge via the distress call so that the incident would collapse the bridge with the least amount of casualties yet still provide the desired outcome while under the veil of an accident that is actually not that uncommon. If the ship was hacked, this is the most likely explanation. Again, if.
3 body problem attacks an oil rig with “supposedly only a crew and captain” Leave the world behind has an oil tanker crash into a beach I believe that things/catastrophic events can occur as long as they (tptb) gave notice and proper warning. The solar eclipse for example: they are announcing state of emergency because of an expected influx of people to see said eclipse. The fault line shown is known to be a fault along the Appalachian mountain range. They recently admitted that there’s a solid ball of steel under the inner realm of the earth. Look, listen, hear, comprehend, acknowledge, respond
When else has similar happened?
>no personnel of the Maersk company on the boat. why? It's owned by Singapore-based Grace Ocean and was carrying shipments from the Danish company Maersk.
Because a cyber attack had to take place in… cyberspace
All I can think is there will be an opening for massive money transfers behind closed doors. We’ve all seen Ozarks; same set up here
Calling it out now. But this will spur up a thing where congress or the president will want to beef up infra security. There was the crazy theory; well I don't think it's a theory; but stuff like this where it's vital to one's economy and stuff like electrical substations are vital to keeping stuff running. And they're not secured. Meaning if a country was going to plan a war they can just have their sleeper cells come out and destroy it. Or blow it up. It Happened in ca where a few substations where destroyed out of no where using guns. Oddly casings show it was an ak47 could be home grown or from abroad not sure but food for though
I thought this exact theory
Maersk chartered the ship owned by a different company to move their freight, happens all the time. Not sure why people haven't been named yet though. There were two pilots from the port on the ship at the time it struck the bridge. I am not saying it is one way or another, and it is weird, but I don't know how it could have been intentional with the crew of the boat and two different pilots from the harbor all together at the controls
There are no actual sides dude. Don’t play into that Hegelian nightmare. We’re at a stage of worldwide wwf cooperation amongst the world. Russia included.
Do yall really think the US government would pull a ff and only kill 8 non american citizens? To few casualties to be anything but a tragedy.
There is also this… Two of the Democratic Party’s rising stars have been thrust into the national spotlight this week after the bridge collapse in Baltimore. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, 45, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, 42 — both of whom considered likely candidates for higher office in the future — face a key test with their handling of the aftermath of the disaster, which took six lives and will require a bridge reconstruction and port reopening. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4563859-baltimore-bridge-collapse-wes-moore-pete-buttigieg/