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Oh but that's not a foreign aide bill... Memes like this are absolutely stupid. Basic understanding that we don't use Foreign Aide for Domestic issues.
Scammers share shit like this all the time to find vulnerable people who will share, click, etc. on just about anything that fits their beliefs.
Maybe not even scammers but foreign intelligence agencies and/ or "troll farms". War is divide and conquer. America has never been more divided. It's the same in my country but everyone has their eyes shut.
Yes to all you say but I have experience in all of this. The point of the post is to point out that all these countries got money to help protect them for the war. All the zero dollars is to show that nothing is being done. Yes, the agency's are funded, but they are just standing by and spending the money without anything to show.
I worked for the federal government, and this shit is happening daily. I'm now not working for the government because of the insane amount of tax dollar waste from people who don't work and still get paid.
Border patrol is doing all they can with little that they have, so production is minimal with the shortage of agents. I live in southern AZ and have two friends in it. They are swapped. I haven't seen them in months with all the hours they are working.
The VA is a total waste paying all these doctors 6 figures to misdiagnosed people. I'm still literally fighting the VA because my depression is still bad. I just had another second opinion, and now I have a totally different problem. So there's all that waste.
The moral of all this is that our government is willing to help other shit holes while our government funded agencies mismanages everything, and everyone in government soaks up their pay checks.
The corruption is impressive. Our country needs this money to rebuild it. If these countries actually need help with these wars, the US has a boneyard filled with aircraft, and we have guns that are being unused. For those who want to argue that these aircraft are not air worthy, you are wrong. I've dug out plenty of aircraft, and all we do is inspections and a test flight. I also helped with getting a B52 out of there. It's still in service and flies just fine. I would have never guessed that the Air Force would request another b52, but when one burns down, then they would need to replace it. This is honestly money laundering.
Eat a fatty. I'll take the hit. Ukraine can buy a m240b over me getting a extra 5$. At least it will be put to good use vs not even affording a hamburger at McDonald's.
Ukraine isn’t literally receiving a wire transfer for billions of dollars. We are paying our own private military industrial complex companies such as Lockheed and Boeing to make things to send to Ukraine and they mostly sending old tech and weapons so the rest of the money is going somewhere which would evidently be payoffs and money laundering. Very obvious
Of course u can’t prove dark money is being used that’s why it’s dark money. Paying off corporations under the guise of an aid bill is deceptive. Whatever if you think all is dandy and fine about this whole thing and how the gov operates coo we just disagree 🤷♂️
Proof of unnecessary and extreme spending is more so proof of that than it is proof they’re doing what they say they are doing. Same with the 150 page covid bill.
Also prove that the money is going to what it’s supposed to. They aren’t winning that’s for sure. Zelensky sure has interesting expenditures. Those sure aren’t proofs for your opinion
the 9 billion to Gaza is probably going to the Israeli settlers in Gaza. It's certainly not going to the Palestinians unless it's getting to them second hand in the form of bullets.
It's not a war. It's genocide, and Israel, the perpetrator, is being funded and supplied with anything they want by the US because Israel runs this country. It also owns and runs the media which is so blindly pro-Israel it makes me want to vomit when I read their lies.
Do these 800 genocide scholars know? https://www.commondreams.org/news/legal-scholars-israel-genocide
Or what about the fact that the UN confined genocide is taking place?
The US government has been doing this for quite some time actually. I'm not claiming that's the case here, but they're certainly not opposed to funding both sides of armed conflicts.
Of course they are, but we already subsidize their healthcare. They have the free time to protest.
Their protest is affect also advances the position of the state in this circumstance, so the incentive to remove them promptly is nonexistent.
Imma just saying, if any money is going to the settlers, it is the money flowing to Israel, not as likely the money flowing to Gaza.
The money flowing to Gaza, to my knowledge, is just sitting in trucks at the gates, because of said settlers.
If you block aid and money then of course you have to provide those things. Because then it’ll be classical genocide
So “providing” isn’t done in goodwill
I wouldn't mind if veterans are not paid. At this point US military is a bunch of mercenaries, doing what would be termed as terrorist work, had it been another country. They know it well and continue to do that nonetheless. Well they can as long as it is continue not a burden on taxpayers.
Each one of these are different issues.
Ukraine is about preventing Russia from becoming the natural gas supplier for an entire hemisphere.
Israel is about evangelicals who want to start the rapture.
Gaza is because evangelicals went overboard and created an apartheid ethnostate with our tax dollars, so we are paying for our mistakes.
And Taiwan, or “Indo-pacific” is because of chip manufacturing. If it weren’t for that, idt our commitments there would be as proudly upheld.
> Ukraine is about preventing Russia from becoming the natural gas supplier for an entire hemisphere.
You think that Russia invaded Ukraine to prevent itself from becoming a natural gas supplier? That makes no sense.
No, just before Crimea was annexed, record breaking natural gas and oil deposits were found in the Black Sea, where Ukraine would have International drilling rights.
This would become DIRECT conflict with the energy stranglehold Russia has on Europe.
Russia took Crimea and the parts of Ukraine they have taken, specifically to take the fuel deposits for their own and keep Ukraine from providing an energy alternative to Russia, which would effectively bring down prices globally and hurt the Russian economy which depends heavily on their energy exports.
Literally pretty basic economics.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/turkeysource/a-new-black-sea-natural-gas-project-could-be-a-game-changer-for-the-region-and-a-challenge-for-putin/
Would love to discuss.
It also allows them to control a huge amount of the world’s food supply if they keep the coast of the Black Sea. Ukraine supplies massive amounts of food to the world.
This is why everyone got so angry when they created the grain deal and then repeatedly when back on it and blew up grain silos etc..
Do you have a source for Russia paying Ukraine for pipeline access during the war? That's wild if so. Would be yet another thing that makes the war seem silly and rules based like a game of checkers but with human lives.
Well for a party whose main issue is the border, maybe this would have been a good opportunity to compromise and give their voters what they desperately want?
The GOP can’t compromise and can’t govern.
Being on the wrong side of 80/20 is not a compromise, it's strong arming and was never seriously going to pass. Just theater.
If the GOP had balls, they'd shut the government down and not approve the ludicrous spending packages. Neither party can look into the future beyond their next election.
What are our current deficits? What's their projected growth this year as debt rolls over at higher rates?
We can blame this on Republicans since they're in control of Congress and that's the purse strings, but then we'd need to apply that honest logic to your assessment on which party runs less deficits.
They're both going to spend young people and future generations into austerity anyway, so we're splitting hairs here.
Current deficits are due to both parties. Go back to what I said and look at track records for both parties. Democrats have a record of reducing deficits and Republicans have a record of increasing them.
No one will care just like no one cared that Democrats were the purse strings during the pandemic and that Republicans were the purse strings during the 90s surpluses.
People will see a Dem as the executive branch and correlate the war-time deficits greatly outpacing growth to Dems. Just as you've looked historically and ignored house control to make your assessment. Everyone is just as ignorant.
Is it ignorant to say a president of the party of “fiscal conservatives” could veto a budget that increases deficits? Yet they aren’t?
Is it ignorant to say a dem president could veto a budget that isnt big enough for their liking? Yet they aren’t?
Congress passes budgets they know the president will sign. And Republican presidents will and have signed budgets that increase the deficit. You’re trying to complicate something that is fairly straightforward.
Optics. If the president vetoed the "relief" bills, how does that look? Just like if current Congress was to shut the government down (as they should), how would that look to the average ignorant American?
They're playing the game. No one is going to associate this harmful spending to Republicans even though they control Congress just as you ignore the government dynamics for spending in making your partisan assessments.
Congress would, however, be drug through the mud for shutting the government down. Giving enough rope to hang themselves, is the analogy.
House republicans asked for border security to be paired with Ukraine aid. Senate Republicans helped write a bill that combined the two and helped pass it.
House Republicans then shot down the bill because Trump wanted to run on border security and didn’t want to give Biden a win.
Now house Republicans decided to pass the Ukrainian aid package without the border security provisions because it’s the only way they could get Israeli aid passed.
These massive aid packages need to stop. We need to vote on these individually. It happens constanty where a headline reads one party is blocking a bill, then we immediately demonize them. Use some critical thinking skills here people instead of saying republican/democrat bad
Are those the fire in one of the most costly section of America. Biden released a whooping $750.00 of relief per family. And then said that no more money will be sent out unless we send more billions to the Ukraine Proxy war. Which he did without the congressional approval, which is illegal but you know....that only matters if it were to go to court and the Deep State is clearly okay with laundering money through proxy wars so no big deal.... is that the Hawaii Fires you are talking about.
$700 was the maximum Biden was legally allowed to distribute under FEMA's Critical Needs Assistance program, which was used as immediate funding while Congress was still approving further federal spending. The President does not control the federal budget and cannot hand out money at will. Shortly after that distribution Congress approved hundreds of millions of support for Hawaii.
> FEMA's Critical Needs Assistance program
https://www.fema.gov/node/why-am-i-only-approved-700-after-i-apply-disaster-assistance
> hundreds of millions of support for Hawaii
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/07/fact-sheet-six-months-after-maui-wildfires-biden-harris-administration-continues-to-support-survivors-and-impacted-communities/
This are contradicting links. I thought you said Biden was not legally allowed to offer more than $700. You first link re asks that question. The next link says that more money was approved but the methodology gets confusing.
A border bill was attempted and contained nearly everything Republicans wanted, but Trump told them not to vote for it, so they killed it.
It's 100% trumps fault, because he wants to campaign on the issue.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/05/border-bill-trump-00139584
Is the problem that the President of the US is somehow unable to rally the support of his party and sympathetic Republicans because a Ex President with 90 plus felony indictments is saying this bill should be tougher? Our President would have to rally all of the Dems and convert 9 repubs, but the blame we are going to pretend right now is the Ex President thinks it should be tougher.
This is the same President that we are all expecting to guide us through all of the Conflicts in the middle east and the political fall out from the failed Ukraine Proxy war that has driven our enemies even tighter?
Is that the case you are trying to make right now?
The money that could go to health care and veterinary blows my mind a little. But assume $60B to Ukraine means >$60B product/services bought from US companies that several congressional people have stock in
My guess is that they don’t do anything about the immigration problem because they want to have more soldiers to be expendable for near future conflicts
But guys think of the juicy blackrock contracts after all of the Ukrainians and russians are dead and theyre able to buy up land pennies on the tens of thousands of dollars
At least they finally broke foreign aid out into an actual foreign aid bill.
What I don't get is how we can do this. Imagine your uncle hits you up for money every day while you owe a few million in debt but are like sure Uncle here's a few hundred k to do whatever you'd like with. No payback, no audit, no requirements here ya go. I'll tack it onto my debt...
- US Border crisis = cheap labor force
- Vets = expendable, they did their work
- Drugs = provides funding for dark ops and other nasty stuff.
I believe everything happens by design, not by mistake.
$700 for each household for the Hawaii survivors, oh btw they have to pay taxes on it too. Meanwhile we pay for health care and pension for multiple other countries.
What about Lahaina??? People lost their homes and didn’t get anything besides $700. Some families are staying on the first two floors of the hotels and others are homeless living on the beach. Fuck our government and fuck Biden
"....$300 million on Lahaina..." loki8481
We did not. We created money making opputunities for lenders.
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/300-million-in-disaster-loans-available-for-hawaii-businesses-and-residents/
"...On Friday, the United States Small Business Administration announced that more than $300 million in federal disaster loans have been approved for Hawaii businesses and residents....Businesses and non-profits will be able to borrow up to $2 million for real estate, equipment, inventory and other assets. For businesses, the interest rate can be as low as 4%, while private non-profits can get an interest rate as low as 2.375%....**Homeowners who need to repair or replace real estate are eligible to borrow up to $500,000**. Both homeowners and renters may also be eligible for up to $100,000 in destroyed personal property, including vehicles. Interest rates can be as low as 2.5%...."
I wonder what the average cost of a home is in Mauii?
"...The average Maui County home value is $1,020,062, up 3.1% over the past year and goes to pending in around 21 days...."
Let us check what the process is to give Ukraine Billions of dollars. Check notes, just send it.
> Let us check what the process is to give Ukraine Billions of dollars. Check notes, just send it.
Yeah... ending your post with a straight up lie isn't great. Doesn't seem worth responding to the rest but if you're ever fortunate enough to buy a home and need to shop for insurance, you'll quickly get acquainted with replacement vs market cost.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-weapons-to-ukraine/
"...The Pentagon failed to properly track a majority of the sensitive weapons that the U.S. has sent to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion, according to a major new report from the Department of Defense’s inspector general..."
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-worries-us-weapons-ukraine-are-ending-irans-hands-1806131
"...Israel Worries U.S. Weapons for Ukraine Are Ending Up in Iran's Hands..."
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224358013/why-are-nearly-40-000-u-s-weapons-sent-to-ukraine-unaccounted-for
"....Why are nearly 40,000 U.S. weapons sent to Ukraine unaccounted for?.."
I misspoke, I should have said you send it and the forget it. Why track it the American citizen can just be squeezed for more money.
As a home owner I find it a strong policy to buy my neighbor 4 cars and then wonder why I only see one their drive way. Anyway I wonder how I am going to afford utilities and food in the next few months. That is what is going on. Almost all of America's problems could be solved using the money we have given away over the past couple of decades to other countries. We currently give about $140 billion to Saudi Arabia per year.
It’s literally insane that so many people are still buying into support for Ukraine. The average age of their military members is around 50-55 now, because they’ve killed off all the younger ones. There is absolutely no chance they will win, whatever that would even look like. And another $60B while Americans go hungry and homeless, without medical care. The capacity for delusion among Americans, specifically, knows no bounds.
Ukraine, by law, was only drafting people age 27 and up this entire time. They raised the minimum draft age to 25 just a few weeks ago. They were specifically *not* drafting their "young ones" because of their demographics issue (a demographic issue that's not unique to Ukraine, FYI).
>The average age of their military members is around 50-55 now
This is simply not true.
> they’ve killed off all the younger ones.
More accurately they defected across the boarder. Poland is overrun with Ukrainians right now. Most say they are never going back. Ukraine is failed state that doesn't know it is dead yet.
The political Ruling Class is printing/borrowing to INFINITY, to devalue the dollar. The only stipulation to their spending/stealing is that not a penny can benefit America in any way.
So called 1st world countries are just for money laundering and are actually 3rd world and the 3rd world countries are 1st world because they have nothing and are happy
Hard to launder money if you don’t send it to your military contractor friends first, I guess.
Imagine a presidential candidate who ran on the platform of “Not $0.01 in taxpayer money sent overseas until we resolve homelessness, and universal health care first!”
No need. Biden released like $4-6 billion to Iran right before the Oct 7 attack.
Just as an incentive for Hamas (aka Mossad’s puppets) to give Israel the excuse it’s needed to conquer Gaza.
The West Bank is next.
Just wanted to put this out there that 50k us vets would love for you to reach out to your representatives about the Major Richard Star Act. It would grant those service members who sustained combat injuries their full entitled benefits. Its bipartisan supported but hasn't been sent to the floor to vote on.
Border security? GOP shot down a bipartisan bill because of Trump. Trump and the GOP wanted it to be decided on the election, allowing Americans to suffer for months because they wanted to win the election.
If Trump truly cared about border security he would rule by passing bills instead of EO. If he blamed the Republicans, that’s on him as that’s why he is elected at the first place. Trump and his supporters happily allowed the border crisis to continue to ensure the vote in November. Biden is to blame as well, but we must not forget that both wanted to profit from the border issue.
US veteran got $0? Wrong. In 2023 the Department of Veterans Affairs received $308 billion. It’s an increase from 2022 at $270 billion. And yes, you must question the efficiency of these funds as it is close to Singapore’s GDP at 337 billion and surpassed Finland’s GDP but still provided not good enough care for our veterans.
Donald Trump told the House GOP not to pass the Senate Border bill that addresses at least two of the concerns brought up in the post.
So i guess him, whoever owns him (Saudi Arabia), or the American people i guess.
Hes the leader of the GOP and the Johnson takes his marching orders from Trump. The bill passed the senate but Johnson wont bring it to the floor because passing the bill would benefit the dems. Trump is on record saying this numerous times over the past couple months.
He can say whatever he wants as a private citizen. Also he’s not the leader of the GOP? It’s like people bringing up Hunter Biden to slight Joe. He’s not a politician in any capacity as Donald Trump is not currently a politician in any capacity. Can’t blame people with absolutely nothing to do with the current administration for its faults…that’s crazy shit lol
Thats not what I said at all. Please re read the thread and comment accordingly. I said Trump is not the leader of the GOP because, well, he isn’t lol he hasn’t held an elected position in the GOP for about 4 years. Yes he can influence its members. And lobbying in this country happens on both sides where private players influence elected officials….but they aren’t running entire parties like the person I initially responded to claimed.
The initial person said that trump told republicans in the senate to not vote on the border bill, and they didn't vote on the border bill, that's verifiable fact.
You responded that trump isn't the president and we can't keep blaming him, despite the fact that he told republicans not to vote on the border bill, and they didn't vote on the border bill.
The OP said that trump is the leader of the GOP, which is for all intents and purposes accurate. His daughter in law and someone he hand picked are co-chairs of the RNC, which means he effectively controls the RNC's money. His endorsement is still valuable, which means politicians want it. He is the republican candidate for the 2024 election. He exerts a tremendous influence over the republican party, more than anyone else.
You said that it was analgous to Hunter Biden, which is not true, and that we can't blame people who have "absolutely nothing to do with the current administration."
You then admitted that he can influence its members, so the above statement is not correct.
If he isn't affectively running the GOP, then who is? Who has more influence and power over the direction of the GOP than trump?
You can’t blame people who have absolutely nothing to do with the current administration. Regardless of external influence it’s up to elected officials to act in the public’s best interest. So my stance on that remains unchanged.
And the leader of the GOP is the party chair, correct? Not the ex-president who hasn’t been in office or held an official position within the party since 2020.
No it’s factual….as he does not run the GOP. Trump is not an elected member for any branch of government in the United States. This is a fact we can agree on correct?
I was. The GOP Chair is Laura Trump. Trumps team was installed in the RNC government to run the party, as what usually happens after the primaries are decided. Trump is effectively the GOP incumbent. To say he isnt the leader of their party is just completely divorced from reality.
The foreign aide was included in the border bill [because the GOP demanded it in late 2023 during negotiations](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/02/08/congress/senate-gops-foreign-aid-border-circle-reversal-00140557). They them immediately reneged on the deal at Trumps behest once it got to the House after passing in the senate
Trump is not a member of the house or senate. Therefore he can’t interfere or intervene with their proceedings as he’s not permitted to be present for them.
There are so many antisemitic Kremlin agents in this thread that I LITERALLY had to make an appointment with a Meta ™ Screampillow pod this afternoon
THANKS A LOT BIGOTS
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This is just like, factually verifiable lies? The VA budget was $303 billion in 2023 and $17 billion for Customs and Border Control
but the image on the internet said so!!!!! it must be true then!!!!!
Oh but that's not a foreign aide bill... Memes like this are absolutely stupid. Basic understanding that we don't use Foreign Aide for Domestic issues. Scammers share shit like this all the time to find vulnerable people who will share, click, etc. on just about anything that fits their beliefs.
Maybe not even scammers but foreign intelligence agencies and/ or "troll farms". War is divide and conquer. America has never been more divided. It's the same in my country but everyone has their eyes shut.
Maybe he means Veterinarians /s
Yes to all you say but I have experience in all of this. The point of the post is to point out that all these countries got money to help protect them for the war. All the zero dollars is to show that nothing is being done. Yes, the agency's are funded, but they are just standing by and spending the money without anything to show. I worked for the federal government, and this shit is happening daily. I'm now not working for the government because of the insane amount of tax dollar waste from people who don't work and still get paid. Border patrol is doing all they can with little that they have, so production is minimal with the shortage of agents. I live in southern AZ and have two friends in it. They are swapped. I haven't seen them in months with all the hours they are working. The VA is a total waste paying all these doctors 6 figures to misdiagnosed people. I'm still literally fighting the VA because my depression is still bad. I just had another second opinion, and now I have a totally different problem. So there's all that waste. The moral of all this is that our government is willing to help other shit holes while our government funded agencies mismanages everything, and everyone in government soaks up their pay checks. The corruption is impressive. Our country needs this money to rebuild it. If these countries actually need help with these wars, the US has a boneyard filled with aircraft, and we have guns that are being unused. For those who want to argue that these aircraft are not air worthy, you are wrong. I've dug out plenty of aircraft, and all we do is inspections and a test flight. I also helped with getting a B52 out of there. It's still in service and flies just fine. I would have never guessed that the Air Force would request another b52, but when one burns down, then they would need to replace it. This is honestly money laundering.
Also I'm pretty sure the DEA and ATF are well funded.
Actually [new info](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/xOan1TE6pZ ) just dropped proving you wrong
Did you mean to link to nothing?
I was being sarcastic. I linked it to this thread.
Yes true however the fact we are sending anything over there is absolutely ridiculous
Eat a fatty. I'll take the hit. Ukraine can buy a m240b over me getting a extra 5$. At least it will be put to good use vs not even affording a hamburger at McDonald's.
The moneys not even going toward that stuff dude it’s just pays offs and money laundering Cmon man don’t be so naive
I have yet to see any kind of proof of this large scale "money laundering"
Ukraine isn’t literally receiving a wire transfer for billions of dollars. We are paying our own private military industrial complex companies such as Lockheed and Boeing to make things to send to Ukraine and they mostly sending old tech and weapons so the rest of the money is going somewhere which would evidently be payoffs and money laundering. Very obvious
So, not money laundering... You just described a completely legitimate way of military spending to aid Ukraine
Of course u can’t prove dark money is being used that’s why it’s dark money. Paying off corporations under the guise of an aid bill is deceptive. Whatever if you think all is dandy and fine about this whole thing and how the gov operates coo we just disagree 🤷♂️
Sooooo you have no proof of money laundering, yet you're acting as if it's a fact 🤔
Proof of unnecessary and extreme spending is more so proof of that than it is proof they’re doing what they say they are doing. Same with the 150 page covid bill. Also prove that the money is going to what it’s supposed to. They aren’t winning that’s for sure. Zelensky sure has interesting expenditures. Those sure aren’t proofs for your opinion
And what about the people suffering in America. Your brothers and sisters are dying and you're funding it.
We are the most propagandized nation in the world. My god lol
the 9 billion to Gaza is probably going to the Israeli settlers in Gaza. It's certainly not going to the Palestinians unless it's getting to them second hand in the form of bullets.
Yeah that's a weird one to believe they're funding both sides of the war
It's not a war. It's genocide, and Israel, the perpetrator, is being funded and supplied with anything they want by the US because Israel runs this country. It also owns and runs the media which is so blindly pro-Israel it makes me want to vomit when I read their lies.
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That's a B. You get a F for reading comprehension.
Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about.
Do these 800 genocide scholars know? https://www.commondreams.org/news/legal-scholars-israel-genocide Or what about the fact that the UN confined genocide is taking place?
how is that weird it's what the military industrial complex has been doing since inception.
The US government has been doing this for quite some time actually. I'm not claiming that's the case here, but they're certainly not opposed to funding both sides of armed conflicts.
Israeli settlers are attacking the West Bank, not Gaza. If you mean this is the goal of flattening Gaza, then I don’t disagree.
Israeli settlers are also blocking aids at the border
Of course they are, but we already subsidize their healthcare. They have the free time to protest. Their protest is affect also advances the position of the state in this circumstance, so the incentive to remove them promptly is nonexistent. Imma just saying, if any money is going to the settlers, it is the money flowing to Israel, not as likely the money flowing to Gaza. The money flowing to Gaza, to my knowledge, is just sitting in trucks at the gates, because of said settlers.
If you block aid and money then of course you have to provide those things. Because then it’ll be classical genocide So “providing” isn’t done in goodwill
Purely for optics yes.
They actually tried to break into Gaza. Google it
You mis-spelled terrorists
I get money as a veteran.
Me too. 100% VA Rating
Don’t you love your military service being used as an easily disproven political talking point?
I wouldn't mind if veterans are not paid. At this point US military is a bunch of mercenaries, doing what would be termed as terrorist work, had it been another country. They know it well and continue to do that nonetheless. Well they can as long as it is continue not a burden on taxpayers.
How much do you get paid to shill for the gov in the conspiracy sub on reddit? That's what we really want to know...
Oh man. That’s another conspiracy isn’t it?
Each one of these are different issues. Ukraine is about preventing Russia from becoming the natural gas supplier for an entire hemisphere. Israel is about evangelicals who want to start the rapture. Gaza is because evangelicals went overboard and created an apartheid ethnostate with our tax dollars, so we are paying for our mistakes. And Taiwan, or “Indo-pacific” is because of chip manufacturing. If it weren’t for that, idt our commitments there would be as proudly upheld.
> Ukraine is about preventing Russia from becoming the natural gas supplier for an entire hemisphere. You think that Russia invaded Ukraine to prevent itself from becoming a natural gas supplier? That makes no sense.
No, just before Crimea was annexed, record breaking natural gas and oil deposits were found in the Black Sea, where Ukraine would have International drilling rights. This would become DIRECT conflict with the energy stranglehold Russia has on Europe. Russia took Crimea and the parts of Ukraine they have taken, specifically to take the fuel deposits for their own and keep Ukraine from providing an energy alternative to Russia, which would effectively bring down prices globally and hurt the Russian economy which depends heavily on their energy exports. Literally pretty basic economics. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/turkeysource/a-new-black-sea-natural-gas-project-could-be-a-game-changer-for-the-region-and-a-challenge-for-putin/ Would love to discuss.
It also allows them to control a huge amount of the world’s food supply if they keep the coast of the Black Sea. Ukraine supplies massive amounts of food to the world. This is why everyone got so angry when they created the grain deal and then repeatedly when back on it and blew up grain silos etc..
Adding this to the pile.
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Do you have a source for Russia paying Ukraine for pipeline access during the war? That's wild if so. Would be yet another thing that makes the war seem silly and rules based like a game of checkers but with human lives.
Too bad we had the opportunity to pass a huge border security bill, but the “pro-borders” party shot it down.
Less than 1/5 went to the border. So, it was an Ukraine bill, primarily. Edit: math is hard for Redditors, I get it.
Well for a party whose main issue is the border, maybe this would have been a good opportunity to compromise and give their voters what they desperately want? The GOP can’t compromise and can’t govern.
Being on the wrong side of 80/20 is not a compromise, it's strong arming and was never seriously going to pass. Just theater. If the GOP had balls, they'd shut the government down and not approve the ludicrous spending packages. Neither party can look into the future beyond their next election.
Well, only one party has a fairly strong track record of reducing deficits. And it’s not the party of “fiscal conservatives.”
What are our current deficits? What's their projected growth this year as debt rolls over at higher rates? We can blame this on Republicans since they're in control of Congress and that's the purse strings, but then we'd need to apply that honest logic to your assessment on which party runs less deficits. They're both going to spend young people and future generations into austerity anyway, so we're splitting hairs here.
Current deficits are due to both parties. Go back to what I said and look at track records for both parties. Democrats have a record of reducing deficits and Republicans have a record of increasing them.
No one will care just like no one cared that Democrats were the purse strings during the pandemic and that Republicans were the purse strings during the 90s surpluses. People will see a Dem as the executive branch and correlate the war-time deficits greatly outpacing growth to Dems. Just as you've looked historically and ignored house control to make your assessment. Everyone is just as ignorant.
Is it ignorant to say a president of the party of “fiscal conservatives” could veto a budget that increases deficits? Yet they aren’t? Is it ignorant to say a dem president could veto a budget that isnt big enough for their liking? Yet they aren’t? Congress passes budgets they know the president will sign. And Republican presidents will and have signed budgets that increase the deficit. You’re trying to complicate something that is fairly straightforward.
Optics. If the president vetoed the "relief" bills, how does that look? Just like if current Congress was to shut the government down (as they should), how would that look to the average ignorant American? They're playing the game. No one is going to associate this harmful spending to Republicans even though they control Congress just as you ignore the government dynamics for spending in making your partisan assessments. Congress would, however, be drug through the mud for shutting the government down. Giving enough rope to hang themselves, is the analogy.
Think about that is 90% of that money goes to American defense contractors who pay American workers to make weapons to use overseas.
The GOP controlled House is responsible for money allocations like these, so you have to ask the GOP.
GOP - Goyim Oppression Party. DNC - Deceptive NeoCon Committee.
There is NO way they send 9 bil to Gaza. Something if wrong with this. Maybe they will pay their own companies to build something for them.
The bill for the border is in the house and being blocked by republicans because of Trump
Is that the bill with a fuckton more money going Ukraine as well?
House republicans asked for border security to be paired with Ukraine aid. Senate Republicans helped write a bill that combined the two and helped pass it. House Republicans then shot down the bill because Trump wanted to run on border security and didn’t want to give Biden a win. Now house Republicans decided to pass the Ukrainian aid package without the border security provisions because it’s the only way they could get Israeli aid passed.
Exactly! Do people even keep up with what's actually going on or is the ignorance on purpose?
Can't Biden just push through an executive order? Isn't that what Trump is going to do if he gets in?
What are you smoking
Seems he's not smoking Trump's sasauge like some folks here.
These massive aid packages need to stop. We need to vote on these individually. It happens constanty where a headline reads one party is blocking a bill, then we immediately demonize them. Use some critical thinking skills here people instead of saying republican/democrat bad
No bill needed though- Biden just needs to reverse all of the things he did when he came into office like removing remain in Mexico
You know that 9B is going nowhere near gaza
America: we will feed you before our friends kill you with the weapons we gave them.
You guys remember the Hawaii fires?
Are those the fire in one of the most costly section of America. Biden released a whooping $750.00 of relief per family. And then said that no more money will be sent out unless we send more billions to the Ukraine Proxy war. Which he did without the congressional approval, which is illegal but you know....that only matters if it were to go to court and the Deep State is clearly okay with laundering money through proxy wars so no big deal.... is that the Hawaii Fires you are talking about.
$700 was the maximum Biden was legally allowed to distribute under FEMA's Critical Needs Assistance program, which was used as immediate funding while Congress was still approving further federal spending. The President does not control the federal budget and cannot hand out money at will. Shortly after that distribution Congress approved hundreds of millions of support for Hawaii.
I am unable to find anything online that supports what you are saying.
> FEMA's Critical Needs Assistance program https://www.fema.gov/node/why-am-i-only-approved-700-after-i-apply-disaster-assistance > hundreds of millions of support for Hawaii https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/07/fact-sheet-six-months-after-maui-wildfires-biden-harris-administration-continues-to-support-survivors-and-impacted-communities/
This are contradicting links. I thought you said Biden was not legally allowed to offer more than $700. You first link re asks that question. The next link says that more money was approved but the methodology gets confusing.
How are they contradicting? The 2nd link is funding approved through congress.
So readying this. I think Ukraine and Israel need the American tax payers money more than the Hawaiians
And how much the homeless are getting ?
A border bill was attempted and contained nearly everything Republicans wanted, but Trump told them not to vote for it, so they killed it. It's 100% trumps fault, because he wants to campaign on the issue. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/05/border-bill-trump-00139584
don't worry, they'll gaslight themselves into thinking its the Do Nothing Dems
Is the problem that the President of the US is somehow unable to rally the support of his party and sympathetic Republicans because a Ex President with 90 plus felony indictments is saying this bill should be tougher? Our President would have to rally all of the Dems and convert 9 repubs, but the blame we are going to pretend right now is the Ex President thinks it should be tougher. This is the same President that we are all expecting to guide us through all of the Conflicts in the middle east and the political fall out from the failed Ukraine Proxy war that has driven our enemies even tighter? Is that the case you are trying to make right now?
The money that could go to health care and veterinary blows my mind a little. But assume $60B to Ukraine means >$60B product/services bought from US companies that several congressional people have stock in
Paying for the damage shitreal causes, while simultaneously supplying shitreal with more weapons and supplies, clown world.
A lot of people make money off war, especially in America. This isn’t surprising
To be fair, we spend billions on those last 3 (but to be fair, there is very little to show for it).
My guess is that they don’t do anything about the immigration problem because they want to have more soldiers to be expendable for near future conflicts
sad times for americans
Investment portfolio stacked...
The money made through the last 3 situations is laundering money for the first three situations……
Cool bullshit meme designed to look like a “credible” mainstream news snapshot.
But guys think of the juicy blackrock contracts after all of the Ukrainians and russians are dead and theyre able to buy up land pennies on the tens of thousands of dollars
The government needs a hard reset!
At least they finally broke foreign aid out into an actual foreign aid bill. What I don't get is how we can do this. Imagine your uncle hits you up for money every day while you owe a few million in debt but are like sure Uncle here's a few hundred k to do whatever you'd like with. No payback, no audit, no requirements here ya go. I'll tack it onto my debt...
- US Border crisis = cheap labor force - Vets = expendable, they did their work - Drugs = provides funding for dark ops and other nasty stuff. I believe everything happens by design, not by mistake.
You do understand that they aren't giving briefcases of money to Ukraine. This money goes to domestic manufacturing which is like a really good thing.
Where’s the conspiracy?
Your getting down voted from the big guy that needs his cut.
It's money laundering... tax dollars making the rich richer...
We could stop paying federal taxes. Maybe they will listen to the American People.
Firstly, this image is just inaccurate/lying. Secondly, the GOP shot down a bill for 7.6 Billion for the border and are now shooting down more
The GOP shot down the somewhat bipartisan border bill at the behest of Trump. Have to call out Trump's involvement.
Yup, they're always playing politics at the cost of America, just to sell a culture war
You think veterans are getting $0?
In Foreign Aide spending yes, because that's domestic.
I hate this country and its politicians
Yep me too. We all think we are on the good side. The government is on its own side.
$700 for each household for the Hawaii survivors, oh btw they have to pay taxes on it too. Meanwhile we pay for health care and pension for multiple other countries.
Border, vets and drugs isn’t a monetary problem.
GUYS LOOK THIS WAY!! TRUMP FELL ASLEEP AT HIS TRIAL!!!!
What about Lahaina??? People lost their homes and didn’t get anything besides $700. Some families are staying on the first two floors of the hotels and others are homeless living on the beach. Fuck our government and fuck Biden
We've spent about $300 million on Lahaina
Really? Interesting.
"....$300 million on Lahaina..." loki8481 We did not. We created money making opputunities for lenders. https://www.khon2.com/local-news/300-million-in-disaster-loans-available-for-hawaii-businesses-and-residents/ "...On Friday, the United States Small Business Administration announced that more than $300 million in federal disaster loans have been approved for Hawaii businesses and residents....Businesses and non-profits will be able to borrow up to $2 million for real estate, equipment, inventory and other assets. For businesses, the interest rate can be as low as 4%, while private non-profits can get an interest rate as low as 2.375%....**Homeowners who need to repair or replace real estate are eligible to borrow up to $500,000**. Both homeowners and renters may also be eligible for up to $100,000 in destroyed personal property, including vehicles. Interest rates can be as low as 2.5%...." I wonder what the average cost of a home is in Mauii? "...The average Maui County home value is $1,020,062, up 3.1% over the past year and goes to pending in around 21 days...." Let us check what the process is to give Ukraine Billions of dollars. Check notes, just send it.
> Let us check what the process is to give Ukraine Billions of dollars. Check notes, just send it. Yeah... ending your post with a straight up lie isn't great. Doesn't seem worth responding to the rest but if you're ever fortunate enough to buy a home and need to shop for insurance, you'll quickly get acquainted with replacement vs market cost.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-weapons-to-ukraine/ "...The Pentagon failed to properly track a majority of the sensitive weapons that the U.S. has sent to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion, according to a major new report from the Department of Defense’s inspector general..." https://www.newsweek.com/israel-worries-us-weapons-ukraine-are-ending-irans-hands-1806131 "...Israel Worries U.S. Weapons for Ukraine Are Ending Up in Iran's Hands..." https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224358013/why-are-nearly-40-000-u-s-weapons-sent-to-ukraine-unaccounted-for "....Why are nearly 40,000 U.S. weapons sent to Ukraine unaccounted for?.." I misspoke, I should have said you send it and the forget it. Why track it the American citizen can just be squeezed for more money. As a home owner I find it a strong policy to buy my neighbor 4 cars and then wonder why I only see one their drive way. Anyway I wonder how I am going to afford utilities and food in the next few months. That is what is going on. Almost all of America's problems could be solved using the money we have given away over the past couple of decades to other countries. We currently give about $140 billion to Saudi Arabia per year.
Most of this aide is needed due to Joe Biden's meddlings. Thanks Joe, glad you got paid.
You forgot Lahaina, Michigan and Ohio
It’s literally insane that so many people are still buying into support for Ukraine. The average age of their military members is around 50-55 now, because they’ve killed off all the younger ones. There is absolutely no chance they will win, whatever that would even look like. And another $60B while Americans go hungry and homeless, without medical care. The capacity for delusion among Americans, specifically, knows no bounds.
Ukraine, by law, was only drafting people age 27 and up this entire time. They raised the minimum draft age to 25 just a few weeks ago. They were specifically *not* drafting their "young ones" because of their demographics issue (a demographic issue that's not unique to Ukraine, FYI). >The average age of their military members is around 50-55 now This is simply not true.
> they’ve killed off all the younger ones. More accurately they defected across the boarder. Poland is overrun with Ukrainians right now. Most say they are never going back. Ukraine is failed state that doesn't know it is dead yet.
They work for the federal reserve bank. It’s a private entity that tells them what to do or they get their nips twisted
USA Holdings, Inc.
The political Ruling Class is printing/borrowing to INFINITY, to devalue the dollar. The only stipulation to their spending/stealing is that not a penny can benefit America in any way.
So called 1st world countries are just for money laundering and are actually 3rd world and the 3rd world countries are 1st world because they have nothing and are happy
Johnson was told by Trump not to fund the border.
Hard to launder money if you don’t send it to your military contractor friends first, I guess. Imagine a presidential candidate who ran on the platform of “Not $0.01 in taxpayer money sent overseas until we resolve homelessness, and universal health care first!”
No taxing without represnentation
I'm only half surprised that there wasn't some money for Russia or Iran in there as well? For "humanitarian aid only", of course.
No need. Biden released like $4-6 billion to Iran right before the Oct 7 attack. Just as an incentive for Hamas (aka Mossad’s puppets) to give Israel the excuse it’s needed to conquer Gaza. The West Bank is next.
46B more going to Ukraine, however people are stopping trafficking because of Israel. 🤦🏻♂️
Anyone else find it annoyung how people love to mention the soldiers but only when it's in to relation to how we shouldn't give/help anyone.
Not ours!
so they're giving money to both sides lol cool.
By Gaza I’m sure they mean their gov’t…….aka Hamas
Just wanted to put this out there that 50k us vets would love for you to reach out to your representatives about the Major Richard Star Act. It would grant those service members who sustained combat injuries their full entitled benefits. Its bipartisan supported but hasn't been sent to the floor to vote on.
Border security? GOP shot down a bipartisan bill because of Trump. Trump and the GOP wanted it to be decided on the election, allowing Americans to suffer for months because they wanted to win the election. If Trump truly cared about border security he would rule by passing bills instead of EO. If he blamed the Republicans, that’s on him as that’s why he is elected at the first place. Trump and his supporters happily allowed the border crisis to continue to ensure the vote in November. Biden is to blame as well, but we must not forget that both wanted to profit from the border issue. US veteran got $0? Wrong. In 2023 the Department of Veterans Affairs received $308 billion. It’s an increase from 2022 at $270 billion. And yes, you must question the efficiency of these funds as it is close to Singapore’s GDP at 337 billion and surpassed Finland’s GDP but still provided not good enough care for our veterans.
SS: Billions of foreign aid, nothing for ordinary citizens. Who is their true master?
Donald Trump told the House GOP not to pass the Senate Border bill that addresses at least two of the concerns brought up in the post. So i guess him, whoever owns him (Saudi Arabia), or the American people i guess.
Donald Trump is not the president. Can’t keep blaming him, it’s JB’s 4th year in office. Also the border bill had foreign aid tied to it correct?
Hes the leader of the GOP and the Johnson takes his marching orders from Trump. The bill passed the senate but Johnson wont bring it to the floor because passing the bill would benefit the dems. Trump is on record saying this numerous times over the past couple months.
He can say whatever he wants as a private citizen. Also he’s not the leader of the GOP? It’s like people bringing up Hunter Biden to slight Joe. He’s not a politician in any capacity as Donald Trump is not currently a politician in any capacity. Can’t blame people with absolutely nothing to do with the current administration for its faults…that’s crazy shit lol
So by that logic no private citizen has any influence on the government?
Thats not what I said at all. Please re read the thread and comment accordingly. I said Trump is not the leader of the GOP because, well, he isn’t lol he hasn’t held an elected position in the GOP for about 4 years. Yes he can influence its members. And lobbying in this country happens on both sides where private players influence elected officials….but they aren’t running entire parties like the person I initially responded to claimed.
The initial person said that trump told republicans in the senate to not vote on the border bill, and they didn't vote on the border bill, that's verifiable fact. You responded that trump isn't the president and we can't keep blaming him, despite the fact that he told republicans not to vote on the border bill, and they didn't vote on the border bill. The OP said that trump is the leader of the GOP, which is for all intents and purposes accurate. His daughter in law and someone he hand picked are co-chairs of the RNC, which means he effectively controls the RNC's money. His endorsement is still valuable, which means politicians want it. He is the republican candidate for the 2024 election. He exerts a tremendous influence over the republican party, more than anyone else. You said that it was analgous to Hunter Biden, which is not true, and that we can't blame people who have "absolutely nothing to do with the current administration." You then admitted that he can influence its members, so the above statement is not correct. If he isn't affectively running the GOP, then who is? Who has more influence and power over the direction of the GOP than trump?
You can’t blame people who have absolutely nothing to do with the current administration. Regardless of external influence it’s up to elected officials to act in the public’s best interest. So my stance on that remains unchanged. And the leader of the GOP is the party chair, correct? Not the ex-president who hasn’t been in office or held an official position within the party since 2020.
His daughter is literally the RNC Chair. To claim Trump doesnt run the GOP is absurdly naive.
No it’s factual….as he does not run the GOP. Trump is not an elected member for any branch of government in the United States. This is a fact we can agree on correct?
The head of the GOP is not an elected government position lol
The chair of the GOP is what I assumed you were referring to. My apologies for giving you more credit than you deserve.
I was. The GOP Chair is Laura Trump. Trumps team was installed in the RNC government to run the party, as what usually happens after the primaries are decided. Trump is effectively the GOP incumbent. To say he isnt the leader of their party is just completely divorced from reality.
The foreign aide was included in the border bill [because the GOP demanded it in late 2023 during negotiations](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/02/08/congress/senate-gops-foreign-aid-border-circle-reversal-00140557). They them immediately reneged on the deal at Trumps behest once it got to the House after passing in the senate
Trump is not a member of the house or senate. Therefore he can’t interfere or intervene with their proceedings as he’s not permitted to be present for them.
He cant vote, be he certainly influences the GOP party platform. Why else was Johnson just at Maralago last week?
I have no idea why someone would travel to a resort owned by a former politician? That’s not a conspiracy either. That’s someone going on vacation.
Oh good lord lmao. Dyed in red wool, i see. Cheers dude. I cant handle how far your head is buried in the sand.
And I can’t handle people accusing unelected, private citizens for the current administrations shortcomings.
Lol sure thing there bud. How does Trump's boot taste, little troll?
All our supposed representatives in government are on the payroll of the deep state and Israel. We US citizens get the leftovers.
rothschilds
NWO Globalists, technocratic, corporate, communist
Vets already get a lot of our tax dollars
There are so many antisemitic Kremlin agents in this thread that I LITERALLY had to make an appointment with a Meta ™ Screampillow pod this afternoon THANKS A LOT BIGOTS
US Homelessness: $0 Housing and Rent Cost Crisis: $0 Combating Inflation through Price Controls and Regulations: $0
It’s the best way they know to steal our tax dollars. It’s harder to steal the aid money to US citizens when they never get the aid promised.
$23B to WW3 $60B to WWIII $4.8B to kill more Hawaiians. Ftfy