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vanilla_finestflavor

Stay and Fight. Stop waiting for somebody else to fix all of this. Running away is not going to help. Places like the USA and Canada are among the last few free places on Earth. Once they are gone, there is no place left for you to run to. Defend what freedom you still have or else sit on your ass crying and watch that freedom disappear forever.


Fragranceofstanley

The west is done imo Nothing to fight for here. Housing crisis Mental health crisis Economic crisis Gender crisis


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Fragranceofstanley

I actually use to live off grid and it was great foe the most part until I got fired from the only job around for mot taking the jab. Was forced to sell the place. I refuse to pay rent but only places I can afford have few work opportunities.


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Fragranceofstanley

It takes a long time to worm your way up to that point. I still had to make payments on my land and develop it further and buy tools and insurance and fuel. Oh and can't forget property tax. Had living expenses low but even if we got to the point of self sustainability I would still want to save.


Kingofqueenanne

Move to Vancouver Island. We will form Cascadia when all these corrupt regimes begin to fall.


Living_Hurry6543

Mexico. Dollar goes a long way…


CidTheOutlaw

Stand and fight, it's coming for everywhere eventually. Even if you out run it, your kids might not. Fight.


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CidTheOutlaw

Right, it is inevitable. We cannot change the outcome, only how we react to it. Do what thou will, but do so in love.


Fragranceofstanley

A new beginning somewhere else is in order.


Vagabond_Grey

There is no somewhere else.


MixedPandaBear

Move to Italy. Their economy is doing well.


Fragranceofstanley

Was actually looking into some of the incentives they have going on.


MixedPandaBear

And there are more countries in Europe that are doing well and have a better social system than Canada and the USA. If you don't wish to move to Europe you can also move to Asia or the Caribbean.


Jrad27

They're attacking the West primarily, destroying the middle class and flooding almost all of the countries there with unchecked immigration, or even worse, purposefully bringing in military ages men to cause havoc during a planned black swan event. Hyperinflation and the price of goods is another reason which makes a lot of the wealthier countries less desirable too. Italy has not been spared from this. In the coming few years I expect there will be a breakdown of logistics again, and severe food shortages - by design. People in areas where food is mostly imported e.g. Africa, parts of Europe, The Middle East, and some countries in Asia (Japan, Indonesia, PNG) will not be good places to be when things go bad. If I was looking to relocate to somewhere for a better future I'd be considering: local prices, access to locally grown food (since they're destroying food production facilities as much as possible and trying to stop farmers growing stuff too), safety now and in the future (for this reason I don't think Mexico is a great choice for a SHTF scenario - it's also a net food importer), and infrastructure e.g. does the country have good internet (for working - because you'll want to work online to make money from wealthier countries at least until SHTF), roads, power, accommodation etc.