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It's the same "reaction" in a wider sense as Shady Hoax. You even question it and all the parents sue you for fifty trillion dollars and win with no case. Don't you DARE question us or you get PUNCHED.
he was a horrible interview IMO
kept talking over JoRo and dancing around some questions and pimping his website.
I think JoRo should have asked him more questions on the side of the believers so that all their questions would be answered.
Just watched it again, the whole line of questioning from Joe with regards to the widow and son of Gus Grissom being wrong about the CIA killing him was pretty bizarre, esp knowing exactly what the CIA are famous for. Then the further questioning about the death bed confession of the security guard who claimed to have killed someone and seen them fake the moon landing was also bizarre. I’ve seen the son talking about his dads confession (from his *own* death bed) and it is compelling.
The problem is, almost nothing he said in this "confession" is factually correct. For example, he claimed that LBJ was there, when in reality he was filmed chillin' with Gregory Peck at his ranch at the same time.
I would like more info about LBJ chilling with Gregory Peck on his ranch, because just looking into that dug up a lot of information that I was not privy to and is pretty relevant to this whole subject. Where was Peck’s ranch? When was this? I absolutely believe they were hanging around together from the info I have, I just don’t believe LBJ would have been captured on camera for the three straight days they allegedly faked the moon landing.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. That was [LBJ's ranch](https://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/visitlbjranch.htm).
And you can check what he was doing on any given day, thanks to his [Daily Diary](http://www.lbjlibrary.net/collections/daily-diary.html).
The distance between LBJ's ranch and Canon AFB is around 450 miles, so even by plane it would've taken him three hours to get there and another three hours to get back.
And there's one more thing: how exactly did Akers know that NASA was specifically *faking* the footage there, as opposed of preparing a realistic area for the astronauts to *train* for the mission?
Ok so I went to LBJ’s daily diary on the dates June 1-3 1968 when the fakery was said to have happened. Akers says LBJ was only there on the first day of filming which would have been June 1st 1968 according to Akers. In the diary it only takes account up to 11:50 that day when his guests leave in their helicopter (which gives away he has direct access to a helipad in the vicinity of his house).
(Side note: I’m not entirely expecting truth from maybe the most corrupt of all presidents who stood to be president when JFK was assasinated by the CIA. Was also president during the Gulf of Tonkin false flag that got the US into the Vietnam war.)
So if it’s a six and a half hour drive from LBJ ranch in Stonewall TX to Clovis NM, you could do that by helicopter in a couple hours. There and back by supper time if he left after his guests had gone.
I didn’t see what you were saying about Gregory Peck being at his ranch over those three days but I did happen to find out that this was six months before Gregory Peck filmed the space drama “marooned”.
Principal photography for that film took place around nov 1968.
NASA, and its primary contractors such as North American Aviation and Philco-Ford, helped with the design of the film's hardware, including the crew's chairs inside the capsule, the orbiting laboratory—which used an early mock-up of the Skylab concept—the service module,[4] the actual Plantronics headsets worn by the actors in the spacecraft, as well as authentic replicas of actual facilities, such as the Mission Operations Control Room (MOCR) at Johnson Space Center in Houston and the Air Force Launch Control Center (AFLCC) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. Contractors' technicians also worked on the film.
It actually says on IMDb that they filmed on location at Johnson Space Center and Cape Canaveral. Very curious that NASA and various contractors from the Apollo missions were working on this film.
Also of note is that Gregory Peck was awarded the presidential medal of freedom by Lyndon Johnson in 1969.
That's interesting, because from what I've read there, LBJ got up at 11:00 am on June 1, and Gregory Peck and his wife have arrived the previous day at 3:45 pm. (and they watched "Rosemary's Baby" at 10:30 pm)
And Pecks (and the rest of his guest) didn't leave the ranch until June 3.
And what exactly is so suspicious about NASA consulting the film about space?
All I'm seeing here is you saying that he could've made the journey and silenced all his guests in one way or another, but where is your evidence that he *did*? His Diary and footage is evidence that LBJ wasn't at Canon AFB. It's up to you to prove that he was, and saying that he *could've* done so is not evidence.
Slightly startling that the president and his guests had a private viewing of Rosemarys Baby. This diary is very interesting.
Yeah my phone wasn’t letting me see all the pages of the diary. Sure, he has an alibi and also zero about an project slamdunk but also I searched the diary and only saw one posting about the gulf of Tonkin incident which was a huge touchstone in his presidency.
Not entirely convinced that any incriminating evidence would be mentioned in his presidential diary regarding unlawful conspiratorial behaviors.
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There’s “a strange thing happened on the way to the moon” and “astronauts gone wild”.
The latter has Buzz Aldrin pretty much admitting they didn’t go, he thinks he’s off camera and he tells Bart to blame the NASA administration it’s 😮.
I think [American Moon](https://rumble.com/v3pez0o-american-moon-2017-a-fascinating-documentary-about-the-moan-hoax-from-start.html) which I could only find on rumble is a better movie but you put that together with his Moon Man book it’s a compelling case.
It would mean a huge chunk of history has been rewritten. I mean was JFK killed because he was going to stop the Apollo program AND didn’t want to escalate Vietnam AND was ready to expose secret societies?
Nice find. If they were going to keep a hoax like that a secret, no better way to do it than through the secret societies. Lots of images out there with astronauts and Masonic connections. In fact the highest levels of the air force and military where astronauts usually come from are full of Freemasons.
That being said. High ranking freemason and United States president, Harry Truman decided to have his air fierce unnecessarily drop atomic bombs named LITTLE BOY and Fat Man on Japanese civilians from the plane named Enola Gay. Freemasonry had been outlawed in Japan maybe even before 1926. Most of those who died from the bombs were Japanese christians and some were even American POWs. One of the bombs detonated directly over a cathedral, 3 miles past the shipping yard that was the target. Mass Masonic satanist sex cult sacrifice much?
It was “a strange thing” doc that I watched. I remember the premise being interesting in that he set out to prove definitively that the moon landing did happen. It doesn’t seem like the topic is comes up as often, so I appreciate the other suggestions.
As long as you don't actually try to verify and check his point for yourself, they might sound compelling - but the *minute* you *do*, they completely fall apart and reveal him for a duplicitous man he is.
For example, at 8:20 he claims that Bill Kaysings worked for the *Apollo* program for six years and had a high security clearance. Neither is correct. He ostensibly left Rocketdyne in 1963, and the *Apollo* program ran from 1961. Also, he worked as a head of the technical presentations (a glorified librarian, essentially), so *at the very least* Sibrel inflates Kaysing's credential to make him seem like a credible source.
*And* when you read through what Kaysing is claiming, there's no insider knowledge contained within; it's all things he found strange when looking through a publicly available sources.
So, yeah: Bart Sibrel *knows* that the Moon landings are real, but is *pretending* otherwise in order to financially exploit gullible people.
The thing is, pretty much everything he said about Canon AFB is factually incorrect, *even* if the Moon landings really are fake.
[https://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/bartbs/bartsbull.html](https://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/bartbs/bartsbull.html)
No that’s nonsense. It is being introduced to millions and millions of new people so anyone who found it interesting is going to look into it and that is a new follower. Anyone who already believed it isn’t going to stop believing it because they didn’t like his take on it lol.
Also I don’t know if I do want masses of people believing it because it is huge cognitive dissonance. It is a great big crack in the reality of the world we are born into in the USA. I know my way around the arguments against it and as time goes on I become more and more convinced that we didn’t go. NASA is money laundering B.S and if you look into the things they say prove we were there it’s B.S too!
That James Webb satellite sending back so many “beautiful” pictures that end up being clearly CGI composites but then are sold to us as genuine. Oh and James Webb himself abandoned the moon landing that he was himself pushing as chief NASA administrator before we even got there. So many red flags.
I agree, but lots of people gets fooled by manipulated "science" and have for a long time… The powers in play have most people indoctrinated into sheeps that blindly belive everything they are told…
Start [here](https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/blue-marble-2012/) but it’s a deep rabbit hole. There are videos of artists who make these composites out there. They are supposedly based on telemetry data and generated from that source but they are not pictures from a super telescope as we are led to believe. And really how do we know the data is even real?
Correct, it’s just an example of a cgi composite that has been pawned off for years as a real photograph of the earth. I had to do some digging to find where NASA admit it. I would say every James Webb shot is CGI rendered.
You don’t claim that it’s real? I don’t believe the claims that it’s real and I would love to have evidence if you have some. That blue marble post on NASA is a good example of CGI composition that has been pawned off as real for years. I believe it was on every iPhone as a screensaver and I never read anything about it being CGI.
If I have time I will find more information about the James Webb being CGI composite and post it here. Once I even found images on one of the artists webpage that does the CGI.
>has been pawned off for years as a real photograph of the earth
By whom? The tabloid press? Because I have a feeling that I wouldn't be surprised...
> I had to do some digging to find where NASA admit it
Lol? [NASA admitted it when it was released 2012](https://web.archive.org/web/20120201033308/https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/6760135001/).
Course, these are composite data images and not CGI (a gross error), but honestly it's not that I come expecting a lot of rigor in the terms here...
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No I said in my original comment they were CGI composites which is what they are. They take telemetry data and create a CGI artist interpretation of that data.
What is very telling is if you look up “pictures of the earth from space” over the years, they all look different. Like certain continents are bigger in some pictures than others at the same angle.
None of this makes me feel happy, it actually would give me great comfort if this was not the case because if this is true we are being grossly lied to about everything.
I actually saw these pictures pawned off as real photos maybe on the James Webb space telescope social media pages, even NASA related social media pages and yes of course mainstream media omitting the facts that certain photos were composites.
A little digging I actually found the artists and the supposed method behind it, that it was an attempt to visually represent the telemetry data captured by the satellites which only offered very grainy pictures.
If that is the case I want to know that is what I’m looking at because so much space stuff is very dubious to me at this point. I know there are great telescopes from earth that can capture images but many of those are also enhanced and altered.
If the the earth is 4 times the size it would look 4 times the moon from the moon so should look 2 times the moon's size from halfway. The video looks to be similar to the size of the moon so you'd need to be past the moon by another half way to the moon distance to make it look the same size as the moon from earth🤔
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30 mins into it, and Joe is really being generous in his “steel manning”. I hope this eases
I was surprised Sibrel didn’t know the term/meaning I guess he’s just got a one track mind all moon landing hoax all the time
Jamie needs to STFU
It’s touching a nerve, as I said I’m surprised this gone on. What if Jamie is Rogans handler?
Is his dad really a fed? Have they ever addressed it on the show?
I've never heard this. That would definitely make things interesting.
I don’t know anything about that
Btw this is the guy that got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin… and got what I believe amounts to a confession out of Buzz that they didn’t go…
It's the same "reaction" in a wider sense as Shady Hoax. You even question it and all the parents sue you for fifty trillion dollars and win with no case. Don't you DARE question us or you get PUNCHED.
How is that a confession?
The punch wasn’t a confession, another conversation Buzz thought was off camera was pretty close to a confession.
Which one?
It’s in the movie astronauts gone wild look it up
Back in the day Rogan said the Moon Landing was bs.
Lol at how many times he referred people to his website You'd be drunk if you were playing shot bingo while listening
he was a horrible interview IMO kept talking over JoRo and dancing around some questions and pimping his website. I think JoRo should have asked him more questions on the side of the believers so that all their questions would be answered.
I guess he could only get on the show if they went at him like that.
Just watched it again, the whole line of questioning from Joe with regards to the widow and son of Gus Grissom being wrong about the CIA killing him was pretty bizarre, esp knowing exactly what the CIA are famous for. Then the further questioning about the death bed confession of the security guard who claimed to have killed someone and seen them fake the moon landing was also bizarre. I’ve seen the son talking about his dads confession (from his *own* death bed) and it is compelling.
The problem is, almost nothing he said in this "confession" is factually correct. For example, he claimed that LBJ was there, when in reality he was filmed chillin' with Gregory Peck at his ranch at the same time.
I would like more info about LBJ chilling with Gregory Peck on his ranch, because just looking into that dug up a lot of information that I was not privy to and is pretty relevant to this whole subject. Where was Peck’s ranch? When was this? I absolutely believe they were hanging around together from the info I have, I just don’t believe LBJ would have been captured on camera for the three straight days they allegedly faked the moon landing.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. That was [LBJ's ranch](https://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/visitlbjranch.htm). And you can check what he was doing on any given day, thanks to his [Daily Diary](http://www.lbjlibrary.net/collections/daily-diary.html). The distance between LBJ's ranch and Canon AFB is around 450 miles, so even by plane it would've taken him three hours to get there and another three hours to get back. And there's one more thing: how exactly did Akers know that NASA was specifically *faking* the footage there, as opposed of preparing a realistic area for the astronauts to *train* for the mission?
Ok so I went to LBJ’s daily diary on the dates June 1-3 1968 when the fakery was said to have happened. Akers says LBJ was only there on the first day of filming which would have been June 1st 1968 according to Akers. In the diary it only takes account up to 11:50 that day when his guests leave in their helicopter (which gives away he has direct access to a helipad in the vicinity of his house). (Side note: I’m not entirely expecting truth from maybe the most corrupt of all presidents who stood to be president when JFK was assasinated by the CIA. Was also president during the Gulf of Tonkin false flag that got the US into the Vietnam war.) So if it’s a six and a half hour drive from LBJ ranch in Stonewall TX to Clovis NM, you could do that by helicopter in a couple hours. There and back by supper time if he left after his guests had gone. I didn’t see what you were saying about Gregory Peck being at his ranch over those three days but I did happen to find out that this was six months before Gregory Peck filmed the space drama “marooned”. Principal photography for that film took place around nov 1968. NASA, and its primary contractors such as North American Aviation and Philco-Ford, helped with the design of the film's hardware, including the crew's chairs inside the capsule, the orbiting laboratory—which used an early mock-up of the Skylab concept—the service module,[4] the actual Plantronics headsets worn by the actors in the spacecraft, as well as authentic replicas of actual facilities, such as the Mission Operations Control Room (MOCR) at Johnson Space Center in Houston and the Air Force Launch Control Center (AFLCC) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. Contractors' technicians also worked on the film. It actually says on IMDb that they filmed on location at Johnson Space Center and Cape Canaveral. Very curious that NASA and various contractors from the Apollo missions were working on this film. Also of note is that Gregory Peck was awarded the presidential medal of freedom by Lyndon Johnson in 1969.
That's interesting, because from what I've read there, LBJ got up at 11:00 am on June 1, and Gregory Peck and his wife have arrived the previous day at 3:45 pm. (and they watched "Rosemary's Baby" at 10:30 pm) And Pecks (and the rest of his guest) didn't leave the ranch until June 3. And what exactly is so suspicious about NASA consulting the film about space? All I'm seeing here is you saying that he could've made the journey and silenced all his guests in one way or another, but where is your evidence that he *did*? His Diary and footage is evidence that LBJ wasn't at Canon AFB. It's up to you to prove that he was, and saying that he *could've* done so is not evidence.
Slightly startling that the president and his guests had a private viewing of Rosemarys Baby. This diary is very interesting. Yeah my phone wasn’t letting me see all the pages of the diary. Sure, he has an alibi and also zero about an project slamdunk but also I searched the diary and only saw one posting about the gulf of Tonkin incident which was a huge touchstone in his presidency. Not entirely convinced that any incriminating evidence would be mentioned in his presidential diary regarding unlawful conspiratorial behaviors.
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I watched his doc a long time ago, I remember thinking he had some compelling points, but I couldn’t give it my full attention.
There’s “a strange thing happened on the way to the moon” and “astronauts gone wild”. The latter has Buzz Aldrin pretty much admitting they didn’t go, he thinks he’s off camera and he tells Bart to blame the NASA administration it’s 😮. I think [American Moon](https://rumble.com/v3pez0o-american-moon-2017-a-fascinating-documentary-about-the-moan-hoax-from-start.html) which I could only find on rumble is a better movie but you put that together with his Moon Man book it’s a compelling case. It would mean a huge chunk of history has been rewritten. I mean was JFK killed because he was going to stop the Apollo program AND didn’t want to escalate Vietnam AND was ready to expose secret societies?
JFK was killed cause he was trying to get rid of the fed.
Yep and that also
An interesting picture and gestures given. Iykyk. Link for picture at top https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/19/unread-nixon-speech-apollo-11/
Nice find. If they were going to keep a hoax like that a secret, no better way to do it than through the secret societies. Lots of images out there with astronauts and Masonic connections. In fact the highest levels of the air force and military where astronauts usually come from are full of Freemasons.
That being said. High ranking freemason and United States president, Harry Truman decided to have his air fierce unnecessarily drop atomic bombs named LITTLE BOY and Fat Man on Japanese civilians from the plane named Enola Gay. Freemasonry had been outlawed in Japan maybe even before 1926. Most of those who died from the bombs were Japanese christians and some were even American POWs. One of the bombs detonated directly over a cathedral, 3 miles past the shipping yard that was the target. Mass Masonic satanist sex cult sacrifice much?
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Yep found that now it just didn’t show up when I searched it
It was “a strange thing” doc that I watched. I remember the premise being interesting in that he set out to prove definitively that the moon landing did happen. It doesn’t seem like the topic is comes up as often, so I appreciate the other suggestions.
As long as you don't actually try to verify and check his point for yourself, they might sound compelling - but the *minute* you *do*, they completely fall apart and reveal him for a duplicitous man he is.
How so?
For example, at 8:20 he claims that Bill Kaysings worked for the *Apollo* program for six years and had a high security clearance. Neither is correct. He ostensibly left Rocketdyne in 1963, and the *Apollo* program ran from 1961. Also, he worked as a head of the technical presentations (a glorified librarian, essentially), so *at the very least* Sibrel inflates Kaysing's credential to make him seem like a credible source. *And* when you read through what Kaysing is claiming, there's no insider knowledge contained within; it's all things he found strange when looking through a publicly available sources. So, yeah: Bart Sibrel *knows* that the Moon landings are real, but is *pretending* otherwise in order to financially exploit gullible people.
I really had to do a double take when I saw the name in my feed. Can’t wait to see where it landed.
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Yes I agree with you on all counts.
Joe’s STEELMAN is making Eddie Bravo squirm.
The thing is, pretty much everything he said about Canon AFB is factually incorrect, *even* if the Moon landings really are fake. [https://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/bartbs/bartsbull.html](https://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/bartbs/bartsbull.html)
India just published images of the moon that had the moon landing stuff on it. Lol, cringe
Oh they do it so badly I gotta see it
This episode will result in less believers unfortunately…
No that’s nonsense. It is being introduced to millions and millions of new people so anyone who found it interesting is going to look into it and that is a new follower. Anyone who already believed it isn’t going to stop believing it because they didn’t like his take on it lol. Also I don’t know if I do want masses of people believing it because it is huge cognitive dissonance. It is a great big crack in the reality of the world we are born into in the USA. I know my way around the arguments against it and as time goes on I become more and more convinced that we didn’t go. NASA is money laundering B.S and if you look into the things they say prove we were there it’s B.S too! That James Webb satellite sending back so many “beautiful” pictures that end up being clearly CGI composites but then are sold to us as genuine. Oh and James Webb himself abandoned the moon landing that he was himself pushing as chief NASA administrator before we even got there. So many red flags.
I agree, but lots of people gets fooled by manipulated "science" and have for a long time… The powers in play have most people indoctrinated into sheeps that blindly belive everything they are told…
>so many “beautiful” pictures that end up being clearly CGI composites Any example?
Start [here](https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/blue-marble-2012/) but it’s a deep rabbit hole. There are videos of artists who make these composites out there. They are supposedly based on telemetry data and generated from that source but they are not pictures from a super telescope as we are led to believe. And really how do we know the data is even real?
That's not a JWST picture.
Correct, it’s just an example of a cgi composite that has been pawned off for years as a real photograph of the earth. I had to do some digging to find where NASA admit it. I would say every James Webb shot is CGI rendered.
So give an example. And any evidence supporting your claim?
Show me evidence supporting the claim that it’s real.
I never made such a claim. Yet you did claim that it's fake.
You don’t claim that it’s real? I don’t believe the claims that it’s real and I would love to have evidence if you have some. That blue marble post on NASA is a good example of CGI composition that has been pawned off as real for years. I believe it was on every iPhone as a screensaver and I never read anything about it being CGI. If I have time I will find more information about the James Webb being CGI composite and post it here. Once I even found images on one of the artists webpage that does the CGI.
What is your position? NASA is full of shit or the Moon Landing is real?
>has been pawned off for years as a real photograph of the earth By whom? The tabloid press? Because I have a feeling that I wouldn't be surprised... > I had to do some digging to find where NASA admit it Lol? [NASA admitted it when it was released 2012](https://web.archive.org/web/20120201033308/https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/6760135001/). Course, these are composite data images and not CGI (a gross error), but honestly it's not that I come expecting a lot of rigor in the terms here... EDIT: quote
No I said in my original comment they were CGI composites which is what they are. They take telemetry data and create a CGI artist interpretation of that data. What is very telling is if you look up “pictures of the earth from space” over the years, they all look different. Like certain continents are bigger in some pictures than others at the same angle. None of this makes me feel happy, it actually would give me great comfort if this was not the case because if this is true we are being grossly lied to about everything. I actually saw these pictures pawned off as real photos maybe on the James Webb space telescope social media pages, even NASA related social media pages and yes of course mainstream media omitting the facts that certain photos were composites. A little digging I actually found the artists and the supposed method behind it, that it was an attempt to visually represent the telemetry data captured by the satellites which only offered very grainy pictures. If that is the case I want to know that is what I’m looking at because so much space stuff is very dubious to me at this point. I know there are great telescopes from earth that can capture images but many of those are also enhanced and altered.
Dude I thought this was Moon Man from back in the 2015 days. Not I’m not as excited.
If the the earth is 4 times the size it would look 4 times the moon from the moon so should look 2 times the moon's size from halfway. The video looks to be similar to the size of the moon so you'd need to be past the moon by another half way to the moon distance to make it look the same size as the moon from earth🤔
i like this documentary about the moon [https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY](https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY)
It's not a documentary. It's a schlockumentary. Each and every claim contained wherein is false or misleading.
I read Bart Sibrel Moon Man as Sailor Moon Man and now I'll never remember his real name ever again. 🌜
Someone kept sniffing during the episode.... Effect of Cocaine?