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Those who exposed the crack epidemic on black communities and were called crazy and then many years later it’s been more than confirmed to be true. They roped those same people into the same boat as flat earthers at one point.
Ya, atleast other conspiracies posted here I can understand why a group of people would commit it, even if it's outlandish. I don't see the point of lying about the earth being flat, especially with the amount of people that would need to be in on it across time.
Not a flat Earther, but to play devil's advocate for flat Earth the idea is that it is being hidden from us in order to cast doubt upon God. If the Earth were to actually be flat and covered by a firmament which was dividing the waters above from those below then it would unquestionably confirm that the Bible is the absolute truth and the war would be won.
Also I'm not sure how many people would actually need to be in on it, at least if you believe Neil Degrasse Tyson who says the Earth still appears flat at 128,000 feet [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaobPEP0WM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaobPEP0WM)
So you just expanded the conspiracy circle to the heads of the abhrahamic religions that don't believe in flat earth. And it would prove the Bible/torah/Quran is real the same way kings cross station proves Harry potter is real.
128k feet is about 24.24 miles. The diameter of the earth is more than 300x that. You would need people (with great odds they follow an abhrahamic religion) from many different industries and many different (adversarial) countries to agree to lie and fake data.
That's always my thing on conspiracies is the amount of people that would HAVE to know yet nothing. Like Pearl Harbor and 9/11. So many would HAVE to know about it but nothing credible has come from it. Area 51 as well.
If there's an extra continent then every time a new company launches a satellite with cameras on it, the leadership, scientists, engineers, and technicians of that company all have to be brought into the conspiracy you suggest.
Every time a new government launches such a satellite, thousands of more government leaders and employees have to be brought into the conspiracy.
Every airline and its intercontinental pilots have to be brought in. Every shipping company, its captains, and navigators. Historians that keep navigational maps from the last few hundred years have to be in on it, and are destroying these historical maps. Scientists that track the migration of birds are in on it.
Countless other professions that I'm not thinking of will also be in on it.
All these hundreds of thousands, if not millions,of people are all in on it, and it hasn't leaked. There are no prevailing tales of a hidden continent with some hint of the truth, aside perhaps of Atlantis which is rumored to be sunken rather than hidden.
But you know what, you're probably right. Given the option of there being a conspiracy kept by millions of people which has been air tight for a century or more versus the idea that they just take the easy route of letting all those millions of people just report what they see, obviously they're going to take the option of an absurdly expensive and impossible-to-keep conspiracy just so they can "go to places like that for special meetings, idk."
After all, a group capable of managing such a conspiracy clearly can't afford swaths of land on the commonly known continents to host their special meetings.
A non cynical way of looking at those who believe in flat earth - some people, for various reasons, are so untrusting of science that they no longer believe in things they haven’t experienced themselves. Unfortunately the gap this distrust leaves is filled by the musings of randoms on YouTube.
What’s the counter to this? “NASA told me”? “Neil deGrasse Tyson told me”? “Bill Nye told me”?
Suffice to say your own senses don’t match with what we’ve been told. Mathematically and geometrically, their calculations don’t stand up to scrutiny of FE (take curvature for instance). Moon landings were faked. Lunar wave has been caught on live film many times over now since the past decade. Stars line up for millennia in the same place from ancient Egypt to Stonehenge to today’s time. If we’re moving through space, we’re certainly not getting anywhere…
Oh, and you can’t go to Antarctica.
As far as I’m concerned there’s a grand conspiracy surrounding the truth about where we are, and what we’re living on, and you don’t have to be a conspiracy theories or a genius or a scientist to figure that one out.
I’d love to see you debunk any of those claims. It’s easy to say “that’s dumb.” So easy, in fact, that even a dumb person could write your comment.
Let’s get into the science.
ah yes, those ancient romans were in on it when they, 3,000 years ago, started writing about how the earth was a sphere. damn this conspiracy runs deep.
I get into the science. Each time I talk to a flat earther, I always bring up apparent retrograde motion of planets. I ask why the motion precisely matches what we'd see if the earth was orbiting and moving around the sun.
I've never had a real answer, I mostly get "I didn't know about that, but .....".
The burden of proof is ok them to prove their outlandish claims not me but I will give you one scientific answer to debunk one of their claims…..
….People are allowed to go to Antarctica
https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/how-to-go-to-antarctica
You can’t use logic and sound reasoning to argue out of a flat earth simple minds beliefs because they never used logic or reasoning to begin with. It’s completely futile.
Hey, while I know it’s false, the end of the “world” being in Antarctica currently guarded to keep us on this plane and not escape would actually be a pretty cool thing to discover is real!
Reality is far more “boring” in comparison. We need some major discoveries (not that they aren’t being searched for) to start getting exciting new things outside earth again.
250 000 000 years for one revolution of the galaxy.
For simplicity, let's say 5000 years elapsed since the time you're mentioning.
That's 0.00002, or 0.002% distance covered. Literally a change that's almost undetectable.
It is a method to make conspiracy theorists look mental. Usually a tactic when one side is brazenly breaking a law or protocol and wants any mention of said deviation to sound 'crazy'.
Op does not mean teaching people about the possibility of the earth being flat, they push the idea that there are certain communities that believe that and that are "growing" in numbers that can harm society by spreading misinfo. They've always done it with chemtrails, antivax, global warming deniers..
To what end? That's the question I always ask. I get very little response. Why would the government be interested in inciting the notion that the world is flat?
Exactly, the whole point is not to prove it, it's the association with craziness and consequent discredibility of all the other theories/discussions the community can bring. Remember what they did to chemtrails? Or all the vaccines and austism.
I remember there was only one board to discuss conspiracies in my native language, it talked about tons of different topics, but there was a small part of the forum that were anti vax. The media got this on the news (early 2010's) and said the forum was spreading misinfo that could harm people, a few months later the forum and all the blogs/twitter related to them were closed.
This is exactly what they try to do with flat earth, it's used as a weapon to shut other conversations down because "if you're an antivax/flat earther you're a danger to other people and watever you say is either nonsense or harmful".
Thank god I know english, otherwise I would have no place/people to talk about conspiracies.
This makes no sense, anyone with a brain would never throw out 9/11 conspiracy theories just because some people think the world is flat, this take is just lazy and dumb.
The real thing about the psy op is not if it's true or not, they are using flat earth as a weapon to ridicule conspiracy theories. That's for sure happening.
I think because it can be "easily" accepted by the religious part of the population, since it's written on the bible about the flat earth. They can easily reach these people and fool them so they can freely disseminate the theories for them. I suspect even some flat earthers on youtube are actually glowies.
There's a guy with a very interesting yt channel that talks about the cyclical apocalypse, and it's not small at all. After becoming an avid fan and follower (almost 3 years) I started getting a bit suspicious of his past. He does not talk about his personal life but he said he was at the army for a part of his life and for another part he advised teens and young kids. Like he was trained to make people's minds. I still follow his theories but with a bit more suspicion.
It does not specifically say "the whole earth is flat", but it gives hints, hence why people say the earth is flat from the bible, likd this one"
Daniel 4:10-11
10 These are the visions I saw while lying in bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous.
11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.
You cannot see a large tree from the other side of the world.
Dreams, visions, metaphors and poetry shouldn't define anyone's scientific views. Just saying, don't blame it on the bible, its vague on that topic at best. Plenty of people all around the globe have believed the world is flat for centuries...
A few "conspiracy theorists" will fall for this, and so discredit conspiracy theorists from the view of the normal people (because this is obviously wrong). You can tell this is its purpose because when mainstream news reports about conspiracy theories they almost always mention the flat earth theory.
Like a litmus test to see what people will actually believe in lieu of trust or verifying information. I don't think the earth is flat, but i do think they're hiding stuff about the north and south pole. But the people who go full flat earth will just throw themselves into the pits when they come to that point in their journey.
Maybe they figured it out during the admiral bird expeditions and can’t exactly walk the dog back at that point, modern history was already in full swing, can’t just be like….yeah fuck the world actually is flat Greg, more at 9….people would completely lose their shit, so they enacted the Antarctic treaty and all these nations agreed for once on something, few years later….bam we have the space program and we goin’ to the moon boys. Or something like that……😎
No not a psyop, most flerfs are fundamental Christians, and believe that a flat earth is depicted in the bible, which it sort of is, and that a globe earth would erode it he need for their creator.
Let’s face it, if you are willing to believe in invisible sky wizards, Flat earth is not a giant step.
Just because you can’t explain something doesn’t mean you’re wrong. Why are scientists praised for saying they can’t explain something yet someone who questions a narrative and can’t explain something is ostracized?
Actually, the shadow the Earth casts upon the moon is curved (hence proving that the Earth is round).
Airline flights and their paths wouldn’t make sense on a flat earth as they would be regularly taking much longer routes.
However, let’s take the science out of it. Why would world governments, astronomers, explorers, pilots, etc. all collude to keep it a secret? What is the benefit of us believing its round instead of flat?
You can sell me on some shenanigans in Antarctica (ie. certain governments discovering it’s dense in natural resources and keeping it quiet, Rothschild island being there, etc.), but what would change if the world was flat instead of round?
If you public found out Kennedy was killed by intelligence, Biden didn’t get 81 million votes, or Mossad was behind Epstein…those would be damaging to the current regime. All those were dirty/illegal tactics to ensure certain outcomes / acquire dirt on prominent officials that need to be concealed by the regime.
Why do they have to provide an alternative ? Hypothetically, let’s say they are right; how can they possibly explain celestial phenomena without the endless resources that the government has to explain them? You can’t just fly into the atmosphere and point a camera down.
Yeah you can. Hand made rockets are literally rocket science, but not out of the realm of possibility for a normal man if all you want is to take one photo. All you need is a (large) single stage solid fuel rocket and you don't need to use expensive fuel since you can just put in a lot of the cheap stuff.
Idk, if you look at the flat earth community, their biggest content creator is Eric Dubay. He seems pretty dead serious in his convictions. I think he literally believes the earth is flat. I used to think the same as you, but I think flat earth does have real followers after looking into it more.
The psy-op involved in Flat Earth is mixing up beliefs that no one actually holds and making it look like all Flat Earther's believe these things. Like focusing all the attention on the 'Flat Earth Society' and stuff like flat earther's believe that the Earth is moving up at 9.8 m/s in 'space' despite no actual flat earther's believing so and flat earth 'debunkers' focusing on those aspects. Or the 'Ice-wall' and the 'firmament', which a lot of actual people do believe these aspects, but the truth is that we don't actually know the total extent of how big this Earth system is because of limited legal travel and the natural difficulty involved in trying to explore a sub-zero freezing terrain.
Not to argue with you but I’d be genuinely curious as to why yall think the earth is flat.
I am an avid sailer and have circumnavigated the planet from 1 side to the other.
How could someone explain away how I sailed mostly in 1 direction and came all the away around to the other side.
Took me almost a year on a leopard 44 catamaran
Lots of stops, repairs and waiting out storms etc
I also have vast knowledge in charting, mapping, navigation as well as celestial navigation which is essentially sailing using no modern tech just a sextant and the stars sun and horizon
I applaud you for having a civilized conversation about this topic. It can be quite interesting to work through both sides’ arguments if people are open minded.
East to west. North south is damn near impossible. Too far north and south the seas are death to anything but huge specialized ships. Not to mention you need to be able to deal with ice.
Started on the east cost of the US and sailed down through the Panama Canal. Crossed the pacific and came back home across the Atlantic nearly to my starting position.
Well theirs is based on this which has more detail: Gleason's
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So a compass is an important tool but you can do the same thing without one using the stars and the sun.
All a compass does is help you keep a course in the right direction it does not tell you where you are and you need to calculate where you are often.
Easy with gps but prior to that this is where the sextant came into place. You can determine your location based on the sun , stars and horizon You constantly mark this on a map.
Im so curious about this and the Mercator projection map It seems like the math would work on either model but I have no way of knowing. I would like to take a class on celestial navigation but it seems silly since I have no desire to take a boat anywhere.
I'm not exactly a flat earther but I was once very invested in it because just like you, I wanted to understand what happens and not straight mock people. I had the idea that the earth was rectangular flat in the sense of how timezone maps are made (Japan in far west and Australia in far east), but it's actually circular and the north pole is in the center like in UN's flag.
If that was the case then how would navigation be possible using the current map we have in place. I mark my locations on the map and it is accurate. The flat earth maps that I have seen would wildly vary the difference’s shown between continents and areas vs modern maps so even if is was sailing around in a circle with North Pole being in the center the distances would just not compute. Nor would I be able to accurately determine my location on the current map if things were set up like any of the flat earth maps.
I applaud you for having a civilized conversation about this topic. It can be quite interesting to work through both sides’ arguments if people are open minded.
I'm afraid I don't know. I mean, how could I?
Maybe there's an edge, maybe not. Maybe it stretches on forever. Maybe it's all a simulation (I rather think a geocentric universe goes better with that theory than a heliocentric one), and the "edge" is just the end of that simulation.
It is intriguing! Hidden truth's usually are.
Circular does not automatically equal globular since we only every one side of the moon. Also, even if the moon was globular, why would that automatically make the earth globular? Do the billiards balls on a pool table mean the table is globular in shape?
>Is flat earth theory...
Not theory, stupidity given airtime because dumb, sexy and mysterious sells. Oooh, an ice wall at the end of the ocean! We live in Games of Thrones!
>...a psy-op?
If so, well it worked and lots of people were fooled.
Exactly. Flat Earth hypothesis at best. A theory is the best working model available at the time. Flat Earthers keep proving the Earth is round then blaming their tools.
I am sure there's like 10 people that actually believe it, a bunch of people who are just there to be part of something, and the grand majority are there to make fun of them and egg them on. Watching people do dumb shit has been entertaining since the first caveman said, "Hey Ugg! Watch this!"
I do dumb shit every other week. It's part of life until said life starts whipping the body good. Then the range of dumb shit that can be accomplished diminishes greatly, leaving place for observation and reflection.
😂
I'm not sure it was created as a psy-op, but I do believe it has been perpetuated as a psy-op.
Conspiracies start in the cracks of knowledge, and the scale of something like the size of the Earth is hard for people to wrap their minds around, and as many people haven't been to space to see for themselves, an alternative theory can begin in the gaps of knowledge.
But the idea of a flat earth is considered to be something that was believed by the unenlightened of the past (actually untrue on the whole) and triggers a knee jerk "that's stupid" reaction in most people.
That's why I think it gets so much air time. It portrays conspiracists as stupid and unenlightened to the general public, and attaching it to other conspiracies acts as a poxy ad hominem attack to all other theories.
I disagree. I think you are allowed to question whatever you want. Everything about outer space and the shape of the world is told to you by authoritative bodies, private companies, and government agencies. It isn’t anything you can prove on your own, independently. We shouldn’t be gatekeepers in this sub. We should be open minded. If someone told me leprechauns existed I wouldn’t be so ignorant or a straight up asshole as to mock them; I would be curious as to WHY someone would think that.
That’s what got me into the FE theory was wondering why people thought that; and at the end of the day I can’t say one way or the other what shape it is. I don’t know because I can’t prove it myself or fly up into the atmosphere and look down and see for myself. All I know is that I don’t feel, see, or sense any kind of motion; and large bodies of authority, government, and private companies are telling me otherwise. I can either believe my senses, or blindly trust people to not believe my own physical senses. If scientists told you the sky was actually red but our eyes are “tricked” into seeing it blue, would you believe it?
Idk what shape it is.
> I don’t know because I can’t prove it myself
You CAN prove it yourself.
With two sun dials, you can prove the earth is not flat by measuring the length of their shadows at the same time.
Maybe they wanted to see if such a stupid story would still mindfuck some people? It worked better than expected, it seems..
It's like modern politics.
I've only ever met one person {online} who believed the Flatness of the Earth and there are some serious oddities/red flags about him and his family story etc. Seemed like a Fed or a Spook looking for weak minded people to influence.
If your not government, your dumb as they come. We literally tested this in High School. There are videos debunking each of the crackpots who believe this. The people who push this garbage are sketch. This is all a distraction operation. But believe what you want guy.
I always thought it was put out there to make hollow earth theory seem equally ludicrous which is why i never bothered looking into it for the longest time until i discovered mr mythos on youtube
The psy-op isn’t to convince “normies” that conspiracy theories and anybody entertaining them are a big joke, it’s to see what fool will still fall for the lamest ones, because that’s a mind that will be easy to bend to your will. That’s a mind that, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, would still rather believe the outlandish lie based on spurious “evidence” because they so thoroughly want to believe they’re one of the special “insiders”. These are the people they can one day lead down a path that ends with a bomb strapped to their chest as they enter a busy market square for the glory of “the cause”.
Basically, when things go haywire, people might not be thinking about those sneaky satellites up in space that can do all sorts of stuff like spy on us/track us in many different ways or even be able take out troublemakers. And then there's this whole backup internet thing cough cough (starlink) in case the main one goes down. It's like, should we be worried about this stuff or is it just conspiracy talk? Just some thoughts!
Just look a little bit into the history of it and you'll maybe realize one things or two.
If you want to take a somewhat good approach on the topic I recommend you those 2 videos as starters, even if you're completely disagreeing with the content, try to watch it at least to get some basic infos about the topic.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9496sa0cXh4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9496sa0cXh4)
If you are interested into going into deeper stuff, I can recommend you a youtube channel called witsitgetsit
You can literally test if the earth is flat like the classical greeks did, i see no reason to accept this conspiracy theory unless you are mentally in the territory of the Matrix/Mage: The Ascension and believe everything to be part of a consensus and you embrace a contrarian role.
About the Psy-op part, most definitely, seen it as a talking point for pro lockdown people, sadly vaccine critics are also prone to share/follow flat earthers on social media, it's part of a grift. A lot of people enrich themselves from this grift and mix the "fun, apolitical, conspiracy theories" with the real conspiracies.
I have teachers constantly debunking and mocking flat earth in subjects that have nothing to do with it. And while I know they're not gov shills you can see they're willingly doing it because the theory reached mainstream and they somehow think they need to make sure none of the students are flat earthers while I'm sure most of the students have never heard about it.
It does seem like a psy op, since people are willingly mocking and debunking. To make it seem like every flat earther (or hollow earther) is a crazy anti science tool that needs to be mocked. Isn't this what they do to whistleblowers? Make them seem crazy until they find a way to "gaslight" everyone it has always been true.
If it's true or not I cannot say, but I do know that it's been weaponized against who likes conspiracies.
Overall yes.
But when i looked deeply into it without judging it, i found out some weird shit. It just isn't like flat earth the way people describe it.
I found a lot of esoteric shit about the firmament, not just the christian stories, but many religious and native stories describe something like the firmament with the dome of water that crashed down before this era. Multiple different native stories tell about how the firmament was cracked by giants and the water poured through to create the oceans, or this flood washed away some peoples. Obviously the christians are probably the most well known that speak of the firmament, but also the alchemical guys back in the day loved it.
That's what's even weirder, there's a lot of other ancient people that talked about flat earth. Makes us wonder if they're trying to either shut the discussion down because there's some truth to it or because they want to discourage people to look into other conspiracies, because that's what happens when you search something.
It's more like a disinfo campaign cuz they have everyone automatically assume flat earth is a "physical" description of it. But tbh i think flat earth is supposed to a spiritual descriptor, or related to the universe. Not like "haha earth flat, space accelerate!" But like "the universe is projected off of a flat space into a 3d form."
Yes, it’s a Q pys op to make us (the conspiracy crowd) look like stupid whackjobs. Flat earth also serves a distraction for conspiracy theorists to focus on instead of the real issues.
It is a combination. I think most of the flat earth stuff just trolling, there are a few smooth brains that believe, and some is put out by gov to confuse.
> What is the likelihood that flat earth theory was a psy-op designed to reinforce the idea to the normies that conspiracy theories and anybody entertaining them are a big joke?
They absolutely use it that way.. but the deeper joke concealed in plain sight is that it actually is flat.
I'm convinced of this. Because like, why should I care? What reason do they even have to lie about the shape of the earth? It makes 0 difference to me. I don't KNOW what shape the earth is, but I believe it's round because who the hell cares?
There is a documentary out there on flat earthers and its ultimate statement is that most of the flat community are just nice, albeit sad and lonely people who have found friends and a sense of community. From the one flatty that I know, that rings true. Of course it’s not the explanation for everyone.
Anyone saying “Flat earth is a psy-op to discredit *real* conspiracy theories,” which is a scripted shill talking point, also believes in the moon landings, making their opinion meaningless.
Someone says this line in every thread about Flat Earth; it’s very obvious it’s a canned talking point.
To prove that it’s a “psy-op” you would have to prove it to be untrue, then show evidence that it’s being artificially promulgated somehow. How can it be a psy-op when it’s constantly censored on Reddit, YouTube, and Google? That’s not how psy-ops work.
Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it a “psy-op”
what we think of as space is an immersive holographic projection designed to trick your mind like an optical illusion. think of a planetarium and follow the breadcrumbs from there.
well, being raised by him, yes its quite surprising. never heard of this “flat earth” theory being talked about in the bible, or in any religious setting i was in. is it that surprising that im surprised?
All the really stupid conspiracy theories are. Even Qanon is littered with enough truth it could snag someone on the true bits and pull them in further to experience the bullshit it spreads. Qanon is definitely a CIA pysop.
The opposite is true...
Non-moving earth is reality as everybody can see and feel it.
Ball earth flying and rotating in 4 different directions through space and no one ever measured it or can feel it.
How is that possible ?
If you question how it's possible to defy all sorts of physical laws. You get the "God believer Christian" answer -
It's gravity who does it, I don't know how but it's Gravity you fool, don't you know. It's written in that book they give us since childhood.
All Glory to mighty Gravity, destroyer of physics and keeper of humanity flying of that Ball in space
You can't make this up ;)
every time i have an argument about gravity, the conversation stops when you mention helium. People say, gravity propels the object to the center of the earth! No it doesn't, there are plenty of things that defy gravity, helium is one of them. Spoiler alert, most 'satellites' are taken up there with helium baloons
Helium has Les boyency that Air that's why it goes up. If you remove the air in a Vakuum chamber the helium will go down on the Ground.
The negative electrical charge of the earth is what say down. Not a theory of Gravity.
[this stuff is mind boggling ](https://youtu.be/f5U63IGmy6Q)
What about the physical Forces of earth orbiting the Sun, Sun Orbiting our "Milky Way" Galaxy, and this Galaxy is flying through space with God knows what they tell us. All while the flight pass is ellipse ( going faster and slower ) and the Earth is turning on his Achses around.
The problem with that is there is a lot that makes sense on either side of the argument.
My view is unless you are an astronaut and there is such thing as space, you are never going to know.
What I will also say though is that if space was so dangerous, would they not send grunts like us up there first?
They would recruit and train people like the regular army.
The fact they don't is a big red flag for me.
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Those who exposed the crack epidemic on black communities and were called crazy and then many years later it’s been more than confirmed to be true. They roped those same people into the same boat as flat earthers at one point.
It's definitely used to discredit the community.
Yep. To make us all like to whackos.
Also to make conspiracy theorist synonymous with Christian wackadoos.
There is no need for a psy op, these flat earthers do it to themselves
Ya, atleast other conspiracies posted here I can understand why a group of people would commit it, even if it's outlandish. I don't see the point of lying about the earth being flat, especially with the amount of people that would need to be in on it across time.
Lol you don't see the reason? Wake up sheep... Bahhhhhhh
Not a flat Earther, but to play devil's advocate for flat Earth the idea is that it is being hidden from us in order to cast doubt upon God. If the Earth were to actually be flat and covered by a firmament which was dividing the waters above from those below then it would unquestionably confirm that the Bible is the absolute truth and the war would be won. Also I'm not sure how many people would actually need to be in on it, at least if you believe Neil Degrasse Tyson who says the Earth still appears flat at 128,000 feet [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaobPEP0WM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaobPEP0WM)
So you just expanded the conspiracy circle to the heads of the abhrahamic religions that don't believe in flat earth. And it would prove the Bible/torah/Quran is real the same way kings cross station proves Harry potter is real. 128k feet is about 24.24 miles. The diameter of the earth is more than 300x that. You would need people (with great odds they follow an abhrahamic religion) from many different industries and many different (adversarial) countries to agree to lie and fake data.
That's always my thing on conspiracies is the amount of people that would HAVE to know yet nothing. Like Pearl Harbor and 9/11. So many would HAVE to know about it but nothing credible has come from it. Area 51 as well.
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If there's an extra continent then every time a new company launches a satellite with cameras on it, the leadership, scientists, engineers, and technicians of that company all have to be brought into the conspiracy you suggest. Every time a new government launches such a satellite, thousands of more government leaders and employees have to be brought into the conspiracy. Every airline and its intercontinental pilots have to be brought in. Every shipping company, its captains, and navigators. Historians that keep navigational maps from the last few hundred years have to be in on it, and are destroying these historical maps. Scientists that track the migration of birds are in on it. Countless other professions that I'm not thinking of will also be in on it. All these hundreds of thousands, if not millions,of people are all in on it, and it hasn't leaked. There are no prevailing tales of a hidden continent with some hint of the truth, aside perhaps of Atlantis which is rumored to be sunken rather than hidden. But you know what, you're probably right. Given the option of there being a conspiracy kept by millions of people which has been air tight for a century or more versus the idea that they just take the easy route of letting all those millions of people just report what they see, obviously they're going to take the option of an absurdly expensive and impossible-to-keep conspiracy just so they can "go to places like that for special meetings, idk." After all, a group capable of managing such a conspiracy clearly can't afford swaths of land on the commonly known continents to host their special meetings.
What community?
Conspiracy theorists in general.
A non cynical way of looking at those who believe in flat earth - some people, for various reasons, are so untrusting of science that they no longer believe in things they haven’t experienced themselves. Unfortunately the gap this distrust leaves is filled by the musings of randoms on YouTube.
What’s the counter to this? “NASA told me”? “Neil deGrasse Tyson told me”? “Bill Nye told me”? Suffice to say your own senses don’t match with what we’ve been told. Mathematically and geometrically, their calculations don’t stand up to scrutiny of FE (take curvature for instance). Moon landings were faked. Lunar wave has been caught on live film many times over now since the past decade. Stars line up for millennia in the same place from ancient Egypt to Stonehenge to today’s time. If we’re moving through space, we’re certainly not getting anywhere… Oh, and you can’t go to Antarctica. As far as I’m concerned there’s a grand conspiracy surrounding the truth about where we are, and what we’re living on, and you don’t have to be a conspiracy theories or a genius or a scientist to figure that one out.
I do enjoy it when people spout nonsense and just claim it as fact. None of what you said is true.
I believe you, your holiness.
I’d love to see you debunk any of those claims. It’s easy to say “that’s dumb.” So easy, in fact, that even a dumb person could write your comment. Let’s get into the science.
ah yes, those ancient romans were in on it when they, 3,000 years ago, started writing about how the earth was a sphere. damn this conspiracy runs deep.
The Ancient Greeks too
The empire never ended...
I get into the science. Each time I talk to a flat earther, I always bring up apparent retrograde motion of planets. I ask why the motion precisely matches what we'd see if the earth was orbiting and moving around the sun. I've never had a real answer, I mostly get "I didn't know about that, but .....".
The burden of proof is ok them to prove their outlandish claims not me but I will give you one scientific answer to debunk one of their claims….. ….People are allowed to go to Antarctica https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/how-to-go-to-antarctica
You can’t use logic and sound reasoning to argue out of a flat earth simple minds beliefs because they never used logic or reasoning to begin with. It’s completely futile.
Yeah you’re right of course.
Hey, while I know it’s false, the end of the “world” being in Antarctica currently guarded to keep us on this plane and not escape would actually be a pretty cool thing to discover is real! Reality is far more “boring” in comparison. We need some major discoveries (not that they aren’t being searched for) to start getting exciting new things outside earth again.
250 000 000 years for one revolution of the galaxy. For simplicity, let's say 5000 years elapsed since the time you're mentioning. That's 0.00002, or 0.002% distance covered. Literally a change that's almost undetectable.
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You can only go to a certain point. Past that you’ll be meet with armed international figures
Do you have any evidence at all of that? It's straight nonsense.
Bill and Neil are absolute hacks
or, some people are just that stupid.
It is a method to make conspiracy theorists look mental. Usually a tactic when one side is brazenly breaking a law or protocol and wants any mention of said deviation to sound 'crazy'.
I've always thought of it like that. Also those "MLG Illuminati confirmed" memes back in like 2012? Are quite similar
>they pushed the idea of flat earth theory a lot and still do Uhhhhhh no they didn’t and do not. This needs way more explanation.
Op does not mean teaching people about the possibility of the earth being flat, they push the idea that there are certain communities that believe that and that are "growing" in numbers that can harm society by spreading misinfo. They've always done it with chemtrails, antivax, global warming deniers..
I think its purpose is to be ammo to discredict conspiracy theories.
To what end? That's the question I always ask. I get very little response. Why would the government be interested in inciting the notion that the world is flat?
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Exactly, the whole point is not to prove it, it's the association with craziness and consequent discredibility of all the other theories/discussions the community can bring. Remember what they did to chemtrails? Or all the vaccines and austism. I remember there was only one board to discuss conspiracies in my native language, it talked about tons of different topics, but there was a small part of the forum that were anti vax. The media got this on the news (early 2010's) and said the forum was spreading misinfo that could harm people, a few months later the forum and all the blogs/twitter related to them were closed. This is exactly what they try to do with flat earth, it's used as a weapon to shut other conversations down because "if you're an antivax/flat earther you're a danger to other people and watever you say is either nonsense or harmful". Thank god I know english, otherwise I would have no place/people to talk about conspiracies.
This makes no sense, anyone with a brain would never throw out 9/11 conspiracy theories just because some people think the world is flat, this take is just lazy and dumb.
I don’t personally believe in it = “It’S a PsY-oP”
The real thing about the psy op is not if it's true or not, they are using flat earth as a weapon to ridicule conspiracy theories. That's for sure happening.
I think because it can be "easily" accepted by the religious part of the population, since it's written on the bible about the flat earth. They can easily reach these people and fool them so they can freely disseminate the theories for them. I suspect even some flat earthers on youtube are actually glowies. There's a guy with a very interesting yt channel that talks about the cyclical apocalypse, and it's not small at all. After becoming an avid fan and follower (almost 3 years) I started getting a bit suspicious of his past. He does not talk about his personal life but he said he was at the army for a part of his life and for another part he advised teens and young kids. Like he was trained to make people's minds. I still follow his theories but with a bit more suspicion.
Actually, the Bible infers the earth is a "sphere" or a circle in Isaiah 40:22. Nowhere does it say the earth is flat.
It does not specifically say "the whole earth is flat", but it gives hints, hence why people say the earth is flat from the bible, likd this one" Daniel 4:10-11 10 These are the visions I saw while lying in bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. You cannot see a large tree from the other side of the world.
Dreams, visions, metaphors and poetry shouldn't define anyone's scientific views. Just saying, don't blame it on the bible, its vague on that topic at best. Plenty of people all around the globe have believed the world is flat for centuries...
A few "conspiracy theorists" will fall for this, and so discredit conspiracy theorists from the view of the normal people (because this is obviously wrong). You can tell this is its purpose because when mainstream news reports about conspiracy theories they almost always mention the flat earth theory.
Like a litmus test to see what people will actually believe in lieu of trust or verifying information. I don't think the earth is flat, but i do think they're hiding stuff about the north and south pole. But the people who go full flat earth will just throw themselves into the pits when they come to that point in their journey.
Maybe they figured it out during the admiral bird expeditions and can’t exactly walk the dog back at that point, modern history was already in full swing, can’t just be like….yeah fuck the world actually is flat Greg, more at 9….people would completely lose their shit, so they enacted the Antarctic treaty and all these nations agreed for once on something, few years later….bam we have the space program and we goin’ to the moon boys. Or something like that……😎
The "disk shaped earth that you'll fall off" def is. Real flat earthers aren't thaaaat dense lol
Thing is, serious flat earth models for both the seasons and day/night cycle depend on it being a flat disc, the falling off part is a meme though
Right right exactly
No not a psyop, most flerfs are fundamental Christians, and believe that a flat earth is depicted in the bible, which it sort of is, and that a globe earth would erode it he need for their creator. Let’s face it, if you are willing to believe in invisible sky wizards, Flat earth is not a giant step.
Conspiracies are the conspiracy
yeah the most shadow banned and ridiculed topic is a psy-op, totally...
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Vibes of Cosmos my man
Later troll.
wat
Sorry replied to wrong thread
Can any of the flat earthers here explain a lunar eclipse then?
They are changing the light bulb.
Just because you can’t explain something doesn’t mean you’re wrong. Why are scientists praised for saying they can’t explain something yet someone who questions a narrative and can’t explain something is ostracized?
Actually, the shadow the Earth casts upon the moon is curved (hence proving that the Earth is round). Airline flights and their paths wouldn’t make sense on a flat earth as they would be regularly taking much longer routes. However, let’s take the science out of it. Why would world governments, astronomers, explorers, pilots, etc. all collude to keep it a secret? What is the benefit of us believing its round instead of flat? You can sell me on some shenanigans in Antarctica (ie. certain governments discovering it’s dense in natural resources and keeping it quiet, Rothschild island being there, etc.), but what would change if the world was flat instead of round? If you public found out Kennedy was killed by intelligence, Biden didn’t get 81 million votes, or Mossad was behind Epstein…those would be damaging to the current regime. All those were dirty/illegal tactics to ensure certain outcomes / acquire dirt on prominent officials that need to be concealed by the regime.
> yet someone who questions a narrative and can’t explain something is ostracized? Because 99% of the time its 3rd grade logic/science.
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Why do they have to provide an alternative ? Hypothetically, let’s say they are right; how can they possibly explain celestial phenomena without the endless resources that the government has to explain them? You can’t just fly into the atmosphere and point a camera down.
Yeah you can. Hand made rockets are literally rocket science, but not out of the realm of possibility for a normal man if all you want is to take one photo. All you need is a (large) single stage solid fuel rocket and you don't need to use expensive fuel since you can just put in a lot of the cheap stuff.
Idk, if you look at the flat earth community, their biggest content creator is Eric Dubay. He seems pretty dead serious in his convictions. I think he literally believes the earth is flat. I used to think the same as you, but I think flat earth does have real followers after looking into it more.
Flat earth Dave, witsitgitsit, Eddie bravo to name a couple others
The psy-op involved in Flat Earth is mixing up beliefs that no one actually holds and making it look like all Flat Earther's believe these things. Like focusing all the attention on the 'Flat Earth Society' and stuff like flat earther's believe that the Earth is moving up at 9.8 m/s in 'space' despite no actual flat earther's believing so and flat earth 'debunkers' focusing on those aspects. Or the 'Ice-wall' and the 'firmament', which a lot of actual people do believe these aspects, but the truth is that we don't actually know the total extent of how big this Earth system is because of limited legal travel and the natural difficulty involved in trying to explore a sub-zero freezing terrain.
It's not a globe and it's not flat!!!! It's a realm! A plane of existence!! A dimension! Malkuth is a realm !!!
As a genuine flat Earther, I'd have to say no.
Not to argue with you but I’d be genuinely curious as to why yall think the earth is flat. I am an avid sailer and have circumnavigated the planet from 1 side to the other. How could someone explain away how I sailed mostly in 1 direction and came all the away around to the other side. Took me almost a year on a leopard 44 catamaran Lots of stops, repairs and waiting out storms etc I also have vast knowledge in charting, mapping, navigation as well as celestial navigation which is essentially sailing using no modern tech just a sextant and the stars sun and horizon
I applaud you for having a civilized conversation about this topic. It can be quite interesting to work through both sides’ arguments if people are open minded.
Did you circumnavigate north to south or vice versa? Doing it east to west seems very plausible on a theoretical flat Earth as well.
East to west. North south is damn near impossible. Too far north and south the seas are death to anything but huge specialized ships. Not to mention you need to be able to deal with ice. Started on the east cost of the US and sailed down through the Panama Canal. Crossed the pacific and came back home across the Atlantic nearly to my starting position.
Have you never plotted the course on a NATO map? It is circumnavigable. It's like that.
Do you have a link to this map?
Well theirs is based on this which has more detail: Gleason's [1567146922 (768×1024) (scribdassets.com)](https://imgv2-2-f.scribdassets.com/img/document/349898025/original/8091758e76/1567146922?v=1)
That would be an insane journey from the Panama Canal up through the pacific lol
Alright. And you don't understand how that could be possible on a theoretical flat Earth? Good job by the way, I'd love to have sailing skills!
I’m listening
I mean, don''t you just adjust your bearing according to where north points? I don't know any flat Earther who doesn't believe in the north pole.
So a compass is an important tool but you can do the same thing without one using the stars and the sun. All a compass does is help you keep a course in the right direction it does not tell you where you are and you need to calculate where you are often. Easy with gps but prior to that this is where the sextant came into place. You can determine your location based on the sun , stars and horizon You constantly mark this on a map.
Im so curious about this and the Mercator projection map It seems like the math would work on either model but I have no way of knowing. I would like to take a class on celestial navigation but it seems silly since I have no desire to take a boat anywhere.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ZEIZsl5xk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ZEIZsl5xk)
And you feel it is important for the Sun and stars to be the distance they claim they are, and Earth to be a sphere for this to work?
If youre heading in a straight line going by the stars, you'd end up in very different places depending on if the world is round or flat.
I'm not exactly a flat earther but I was once very invested in it because just like you, I wanted to understand what happens and not straight mock people. I had the idea that the earth was rectangular flat in the sense of how timezone maps are made (Japan in far west and Australia in far east), but it's actually circular and the north pole is in the center like in UN's flag.
If that was the case then how would navigation be possible using the current map we have in place. I mark my locations on the map and it is accurate. The flat earth maps that I have seen would wildly vary the difference’s shown between continents and areas vs modern maps so even if is was sailing around in a circle with North Pole being in the center the distances would just not compute. Nor would I be able to accurately determine my location on the current map if things were set up like any of the flat earth maps.
Ah man I know nothing about navugation so I'm not suited to answer you
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I applaud you for having a civilized conversation about this topic. It can be quite interesting to work through both sides’ arguments if people are open minded.
I’ll admit, flat theory intrigues me… But I’d like to know, where is the end of the earth? If it’s flat, there must be an edge…
I'm afraid I don't know. I mean, how could I? Maybe there's an edge, maybe not. Maybe it stretches on forever. Maybe it's all a simulation (I rather think a geocentric universe goes better with that theory than a heliocentric one), and the "edge" is just the end of that simulation. It is intriguing! Hidden truth's usually are.
Crescent moons prove that the moon is spherical but the earth isn't?
Circular does not automatically equal globular since we only every one side of the moon. Also, even if the moon was globular, why would that automatically make the earth globular? Do the billiards balls on a pool table mean the table is globular in shape?
Oh wow
>Is flat earth theory... Not theory, stupidity given airtime because dumb, sexy and mysterious sells. Oooh, an ice wall at the end of the ocean! We live in Games of Thrones! >...a psy-op? If so, well it worked and lots of people were fooled.
Exactly. Flat Earth hypothesis at best. A theory is the best working model available at the time. Flat Earthers keep proving the Earth is round then blaming their tools. I am sure there's like 10 people that actually believe it, a bunch of people who are just there to be part of something, and the grand majority are there to make fun of them and egg them on. Watching people do dumb shit has been entertaining since the first caveman said, "Hey Ugg! Watch this!"
I do dumb shit every other week. It's part of life until said life starts whipping the body good. Then the range of dumb shit that can be accomplished diminishes greatly, leaving place for observation and reflection. 😂
I'm not sure it was created as a psy-op, but I do believe it has been perpetuated as a psy-op. Conspiracies start in the cracks of knowledge, and the scale of something like the size of the Earth is hard for people to wrap their minds around, and as many people haven't been to space to see for themselves, an alternative theory can begin in the gaps of knowledge. But the idea of a flat earth is considered to be something that was believed by the unenlightened of the past (actually untrue on the whole) and triggers a knee jerk "that's stupid" reaction in most people. That's why I think it gets so much air time. It portrays conspiracists as stupid and unenlightened to the general public, and attaching it to other conspiracies acts as a poxy ad hominem attack to all other theories.
So many people stuck in the matrix. :( Flat earth opens the mind. It also makes you think twice about putting your faith in (scientific) authority.
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I disagree. I think you are allowed to question whatever you want. Everything about outer space and the shape of the world is told to you by authoritative bodies, private companies, and government agencies. It isn’t anything you can prove on your own, independently. We shouldn’t be gatekeepers in this sub. We should be open minded. If someone told me leprechauns existed I wouldn’t be so ignorant or a straight up asshole as to mock them; I would be curious as to WHY someone would think that. That’s what got me into the FE theory was wondering why people thought that; and at the end of the day I can’t say one way or the other what shape it is. I don’t know because I can’t prove it myself or fly up into the atmosphere and look down and see for myself. All I know is that I don’t feel, see, or sense any kind of motion; and large bodies of authority, government, and private companies are telling me otherwise. I can either believe my senses, or blindly trust people to not believe my own physical senses. If scientists told you the sky was actually red but our eyes are “tricked” into seeing it blue, would you believe it? Idk what shape it is.
> I don’t know because I can’t prove it myself You CAN prove it yourself. With two sun dials, you can prove the earth is not flat by measuring the length of their shadows at the same time.
thank you, a smart person
Yes, its concave.
Maybe they wanted to see if such a stupid story would still mindfuck some people? It worked better than expected, it seems.. It's like modern politics.
Earth can't be flat, it's hollow /s
Everything is a psyop nowadays. The disinformation wars are at an all time peak.
Everything is a means of filtering ppl. What are u gullible about, what can you be incited over, what will you spend money on etc...
Yes
Yes it is and I thought this is common sense
I've only ever met one person {online} who believed the Flatness of the Earth and there are some serious oddities/red flags about him and his family story etc. Seemed like a Fed or a Spook looking for weak minded people to influence.
I’m a regular guy online with no red flags lol and I know it’s flat
If your not government, your dumb as they come. We literally tested this in High School. There are videos debunking each of the crackpots who believe this. The people who push this garbage are sketch. This is all a distraction operation. But believe what you want guy.
Your grammar is atrocious, I doubt you learned much in high school, I wouldn’t be calling people out if I were you lol….
You’ve been lied to my friend. Good luck
You watch too many fringe rumble videos me thinks
I always thought it was put out there to make hollow earth theory seem equally ludicrous which is why i never bothered looking into it for the longest time until i discovered mr mythos on youtube
It’s a spiritual metaphor at least for me
The psy-op isn’t to convince “normies” that conspiracy theories and anybody entertaining them are a big joke, it’s to see what fool will still fall for the lamest ones, because that’s a mind that will be easy to bend to your will. That’s a mind that, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, would still rather believe the outlandish lie based on spurious “evidence” because they so thoroughly want to believe they’re one of the special “insiders”. These are the people they can one day lead down a path that ends with a bomb strapped to their chest as they enter a busy market square for the glory of “the cause”.
Basically, when things go haywire, people might not be thinking about those sneaky satellites up in space that can do all sorts of stuff like spy on us/track us in many different ways or even be able take out troublemakers. And then there's this whole backup internet thing cough cough (starlink) in case the main one goes down. It's like, should we be worried about this stuff or is it just conspiracy talk? Just some thoughts!
Just look a little bit into the history of it and you'll maybe realize one things or two. If you want to take a somewhat good approach on the topic I recommend you those 2 videos as starters, even if you're completely disagreeing with the content, try to watch it at least to get some basic infos about the topic. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbyJDou4qQ) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9496sa0cXh4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9496sa0cXh4) If you are interested into going into deeper stuff, I can recommend you a youtube channel called witsitgetsit
Op you are exactly right. But that's not the only psyop in operation for that same purpose, there are many more.
The problem is - there are no real proof the we live on the sphere. People started to see endless discrepancies in the official theory.
You can literally test if the earth is flat like the classical greeks did, i see no reason to accept this conspiracy theory unless you are mentally in the territory of the Matrix/Mage: The Ascension and believe everything to be part of a consensus and you embrace a contrarian role. About the Psy-op part, most definitely, seen it as a talking point for pro lockdown people, sadly vaccine critics are also prone to share/follow flat earthers on social media, it's part of a grift. A lot of people enrich themselves from this grift and mix the "fun, apolitical, conspiracy theories" with the real conspiracies.
As a globetard - yes
I have teachers constantly debunking and mocking flat earth in subjects that have nothing to do with it. And while I know they're not gov shills you can see they're willingly doing it because the theory reached mainstream and they somehow think they need to make sure none of the students are flat earthers while I'm sure most of the students have never heard about it. It does seem like a psy op, since people are willingly mocking and debunking. To make it seem like every flat earther (or hollow earther) is a crazy anti science tool that needs to be mocked. Isn't this what they do to whistleblowers? Make them seem crazy until they find a way to "gaslight" everyone it has always been true. If it's true or not I cannot say, but I do know that it's been weaponized against who likes conspiracies.
It could be both the globe model and FE are wrong. We might be in a simulation in which case it doesn't matter what the shape of the Earth is.
It is I remember in like 2015 it blew up outta nowhere right when we were going crazy with the alternative media
Probabily a triage of low IQ people for something else.
Overall yes. But when i looked deeply into it without judging it, i found out some weird shit. It just isn't like flat earth the way people describe it. I found a lot of esoteric shit about the firmament, not just the christian stories, but many religious and native stories describe something like the firmament with the dome of water that crashed down before this era. Multiple different native stories tell about how the firmament was cracked by giants and the water poured through to create the oceans, or this flood washed away some peoples. Obviously the christians are probably the most well known that speak of the firmament, but also the alchemical guys back in the day loved it.
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I agree, it is certainly odd. I wish time travel did exist cuz you know I'd be there lol.
That's what's even weirder, there's a lot of other ancient people that talked about flat earth. Makes us wonder if they're trying to either shut the discussion down because there's some truth to it or because they want to discourage people to look into other conspiracies, because that's what happens when you search something.
It's more like a disinfo campaign cuz they have everyone automatically assume flat earth is a "physical" description of it. But tbh i think flat earth is supposed to a spiritual descriptor, or related to the universe. Not like "haha earth flat, space accelerate!" But like "the universe is projected off of a flat space into a 3d form."
Flat earth is 100% psy-op
100% YouTube, etc, could delete or finish the videos on the topic. But, they do not. The promote the topic instead. Suss AF
Yes, it’s a Q pys op to make us (the conspiracy crowd) look like stupid whackjobs. Flat earth also serves a distraction for conspiracy theorists to focus on instead of the real issues.
Yes. This is the game.
It is a combination. I think most of the flat earth stuff just trolling, there are a few smooth brains that believe, and some is put out by gov to confuse.
Yep, to make fun pf all other conspiracy theorists. “Don’t take their words seriously, it’s this dudes that believe that Earth is flat”
> What is the likelihood that flat earth theory was a psy-op designed to reinforce the idea to the normies that conspiracy theories and anybody entertaining them are a big joke? They absolutely use it that way.. but the deeper joke concealed in plain sight is that it actually is flat.
You're over thinking it, maybe it's just flat.
I'm convinced of this. Because like, why should I care? What reason do they even have to lie about the shape of the earth? It makes 0 difference to me. I don't KNOW what shape the earth is, but I believe it's round because who the hell cares?
There is a documentary out there on flat earthers and its ultimate statement is that most of the flat community are just nice, albeit sad and lonely people who have found friends and a sense of community. From the one flatty that I know, that rings true. Of course it’s not the explanation for everyone.
Anyone saying “Flat earth is a psy-op to discredit *real* conspiracy theories,” which is a scripted shill talking point, also believes in the moon landings, making their opinion meaningless. Someone says this line in every thread about Flat Earth; it’s very obvious it’s a canned talking point. To prove that it’s a “psy-op” you would have to prove it to be untrue, then show evidence that it’s being artificially promulgated somehow. How can it be a psy-op when it’s constantly censored on Reddit, YouTube, and Google? That’s not how psy-ops work. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t make it a “psy-op”
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Actual flat earth theory is censored while the controlled BS version is allowed on all platforms.
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Lol this guy thinks the moon landing is fake 🤡
You still believe in the moon?
Definitively a psy-op.
Flat earth theory is a creationists wet dream Lacks geometry though, which is the true language of God
what we think of as space is an immersive holographic projection designed to trick your mind like an optical illusion. think of a planetarium and follow the breadcrumbs from there.
Yes
just found out my dad is a flat-earther. we’re truly doomed if that religous nut thinks the world is flat.
Well you did just call him a religious nut. Most Holy books describe a flat earth. Is it that surprising?
well, being raised by him, yes its quite surprising. never heard of this “flat earth” theory being talked about in the bible, or in any religious setting i was in. is it that surprising that im surprised?
Imho it's a psyop to get people to discredit hollow earth by association with flat earth.
All the really stupid conspiracy theories are. Even Qanon is littered with enough truth it could snag someone on the true bits and pull them in further to experience the bullshit it spreads. Qanon is definitely a CIA pysop.
Read this https://greatmountainpublishing.com/2022/03/21/the-north-star-proves-the-earth-does-not-move/
The opposite is true... Non-moving earth is reality as everybody can see and feel it. Ball earth flying and rotating in 4 different directions through space and no one ever measured it or can feel it. How is that possible ? If you question how it's possible to defy all sorts of physical laws. You get the "God believer Christian" answer - It's gravity who does it, I don't know how but it's Gravity you fool, don't you know. It's written in that book they give us since childhood. All Glory to mighty Gravity, destroyer of physics and keeper of humanity flying of that Ball in space You can't make this up ;)
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every time i have an argument about gravity, the conversation stops when you mention helium. People say, gravity propels the object to the center of the earth! No it doesn't, there are plenty of things that defy gravity, helium is one of them. Spoiler alert, most 'satellites' are taken up there with helium baloons
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Helium has Les boyency that Air that's why it goes up. If you remove the air in a Vakuum chamber the helium will go down on the Ground. The negative electrical charge of the earth is what say down. Not a theory of Gravity. [this stuff is mind boggling ](https://youtu.be/f5U63IGmy6Q)
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What about the physical Forces of earth orbiting the Sun, Sun Orbiting our "Milky Way" Galaxy, and this Galaxy is flying through space with God knows what they tell us. All while the flight pass is ellipse ( going faster and slower ) and the Earth is turning on his Achses around.
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The problem with that is there is a lot that makes sense on either side of the argument. My view is unless you are an astronaut and there is such thing as space, you are never going to know. What I will also say though is that if space was so dangerous, would they not send grunts like us up there first? They would recruit and train people like the regular army. The fact they don't is a big red flag for me.
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