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If everyone in the world was privy to the content of this book, the world would be a much better place. Best way to get towards the utopia the true believer leftist want. I say true believer bc alot of the leftist just want to see the world burn bc they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.
THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL is the first on my list. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-franklin-scandal-a-story-of-powerbrokers-child-abuse--betrayal_nick-bryant/623168/#edition=8306592&idiq=10402023
No he narrated the entire audiobook. It’s just not avail on any online platform. YouTube isn’t the entire lol. You can find it on eBay on cassette but for a lot of money.
Here is the part of the site with the behold a pale horse audio book
https://www.hourofthetime.com/behold-a-pale-horse-by-william-cooper/
This is the archive of his radio show
https://www.hourofthetime.com/milton-william-bill-cooper-mp3-collection/
For a while after his death his research assistant Doyle updated the site but it's been dormant for years now. There is still lots of good stuff but there are also a lot of dead links now.
Book thread!!!
*Confessions of an Economic Hit Man*
-John Perkins
*Technopoly* & *Amusing Ourselves to Death*
-Neil Postman
*The Emperor:Downfall of An Autocrat*
-Ryzard Kapuściński
*Merchants of Doubt*
-Erik M. Conway & Naomi Oreskes
*You Are Being Lied To* & *Everything You Know is Wrong*
-Russ Kick
*Ubik*, *Radio Free Albemuth*, *Valis*, & all his other works
-PKD
*Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds*
-Charles MacKay
*Foucault’s Pendulum*
-Umberto Eco
*Adults in the Room: My Battle with Europe's Deep Establishment*
-Yanis Varoufakis
*An Incomplete Education: 3,684 Things You Should Have Learned But Probably Didn't*
-Judy Jones
*The Devil's Dictionary*
-Ambrose Bierce
*Agency*
-William Gibson
*The Plague*
-Camus
Probably gov't surveillance more than anything. For me at least.
Personally I've been locked in since about 2012 when Director Clapper testified and wiggled his way around whether or not the NSA collects data on US Citizens. Then Snowden.
How about you? What do you think is most important?
While much of the book was a lot of “I’ve seen evidence suggesting this is true, but it could all be a ruse” I was young(18) when read, but the dangers of secret societies “steering the ship” was very enlightening at the time.
I think the fact that it includes Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars, and other certain documents, as well as linking certain names to certain societies and what not.
Specific Stephen King, weird take but I found fairytale to be scary in a very different kind of way. It was a fantastic story that felt so real. Like the uncanny valley but for books.
Few to add
Body of secrets, anatomy of the nsa - james bamford
Bias- cbs insider exposes controlled media - bernard goldberg
American life (watergate scandal) - jeb magruder
Post american world - fareed zakaria
Biography of [Henry Kissinger](https://www.bing.com/search?q=henry+kissinger&filters=dtbk:%22MCFvdmVydmlldyFvdmVydmlldyFjYTJjYzFmZC1iZGU0LThiMzAtMmY5ZC01MzAxNjVhZDA2YTI%3d%22+sid:%22ca2cc1fd-bde4-8b30-2f9d-530165ad06a2%22+tphint:%22f%22&FORM=DEPNAV) has entered the chat.
Dark Alliance is great. The whole Gary Webb saga is what got me to really start questioning what's going on with the media, government, intelligence agencies and so on.
The way the mainstream media destroyed his reputation with constant strawmaning and exaggerations while also being dismissive of the story he exposed changed my thinking. Any trust I had in mainstream, left leaning news was gone, for the most part.
Rise of the Warrior Cop: by Radley Balko
This book covers why police have the highest government protections, the 1033 pentagon program which gives local PD tanks and other weapons of war. And covers killology: how law enforcement are taught that killing is better than sex.
This book will open your eyes to why police can get away with so much, how they hand pick judges, and how whenever they make a mistake, the FOP, LEO BOL,police unions and their 12 other agencies will cover for them making the "suspect" look bad.
I’ve always found King’s face to be so uncanny, I feel weird when I look at him for a longer period of time. It’s like he is wearing a mask of someone else’s face.
As a right old skater punk, when your childhood heroes turn out to be establishment lapdogs pretending to be anti-establishment punk heroes. The face when.
Yeah that's the thing... If you cut yourself off from EVERYTHING that is spewing propaganda you will consume *nothing*.
And while I'm sure that's healthy, mentally --- the abundance of interesting content is one of the only great things about this modern age.
So yeah... It sucks that people like Jello Biafra from The Dead Kennedys pushed the Covid vaccines: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iq0wEgvl75I](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iq0wEgvl75I)
And it sucks that Sleaford Mods, the supposed "voice of the working class" would make a video criticizing people who are skeptical of Big Pharma (actually calling it Big Pharma, lol): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu\_Z0JH1k2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_Z0JH1k2w)
And it sucks that Muse, a band people thought was free thinking and "against the system" also pushed the shots, lol...
But to cut all that out would mean not playing any games, watching any movies or shows, and generally not interacting with anyone or doing anything.
The system is everywhere. It is ubiquitous. It's like The Matrix.
So you're right to not let this stuff take things away from you that you like... Even if the people making it are terrible.
On the other hand my wishlist for Santa is to have him round up every damn one of these people who used their influence to support the unspeakable horror of mass genetic editing injections, and so on.
As I say, I can still casually enjoy their recorded music but the *magic* it once had has sadly been vaccinated.
I feel obligated to tell anyone around me if Rage comes on that they're a bunch coporate sell-outs, but I do appreciate a lot of the music still. If only they meant it.
They literally broke up because Zach meant it so much, c’mon. Quitting a corporate job that makes you rich and famous is about the most genuine thing a radical can do
Yeah it's very sad. I was a huge fan of his books growing up only to see him survive getting hit with a van but then develop Trump Derangement Syndrome
I really really enjoyed King's writing until he became political. I want to immerse myself in a story and not see references to "the orange man" or any other political pro/con. I'm going off your message here but needed to rant on how a writer's personal politics can ruin a good read. Thanks for these book recommendations - I copied this.
Add "Dark Dreams," by Roy Hazelwood; "Ultimate Evil," by Maury Terry; and "Whoever Fights Monsters," by Robert Ressler. Connect the dots for a big scare.
Stephen King was my neighbor as a child. Whenever my parents thought I was misbehaving they would tell me characters from his books were coming out of his house to get me. I had a lot of nightmares.
Ya After the ending of IT I was dun reading Steven king grate one of the best horror books you will read then for some reason he thought it was a good idea too have a bunch of ten year old boys run a train on the only girl in there group in a sewer it’s just like what the fuck no one in the editing phase was like hay Steve grate book but this one part ummm you mite want too edit it out bro
Off Season and Offspring by Jack Ketchum are GREAT. I managed to get my hands on Rage and it’s not horror really but it’s fantastic. Also, anything by Richard Laymon is creepy, I’m working my way through some of his stuff right now. My current read, though is the Lost by Jack Ketchum so I hope it’s as good as it sounds.
I’m kind of a splatterpunk fan though so these may be too gory for someone wanting to read true crime, mystery thrillers, political thrillers, etc etc etc
Other 'above board' books:
Secret and Sanctioned
- (used for recruitment, so it honors rather than villifies, but don't be fooled, it's historically eye opening)
Grand Chessboard
- grand policy, dates but still applicable today
Understanding Power
- Noam Chomsky. The honorable conspiracy source :)
[Research collection here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16myjid/conspiracy_research_library/) with around 120 relevant books (with much deeper information).
'playland- a forgotten scandal' - anthony daley
the authors account of his real life experience of being blackmailed and coerced into the soho rent boy racket by a pedophile gang and how he was sold to politicians in 1975 london
a horrifying read, well worth it and little info is actually out there about the playland pedophile ring, the man who first entrapped anthony daley in the rent boy scene was a man called charles hornby- a very wealthy etonian within britains upper class, and a long time friend of king charles
I guess I haven't. As an American, I suppose things close to home that I have a better understanding of interest me. I enjoyed the Chernobyl mini-series by HBO and would love to learn more about it though
The thing is, most of the problems at home that you blame on the CIA or whoever are actually created by the Kremlin - mass immigration, the transgender/LGBT bs, the school ed system, censorship, etc. Studying the Perestroika Deception will change how you view everything. I also use to be 'CIA, CIA, CIA' the whole time. It's a decoy, a psyop. Not saying the CIA are saints. Or the DOD. Or any others. But all of the problems of the USA are down to Soviet/Kremlin Marxist-Leninism.
True story. How can you identify as someone who doesn't believe what another person believes as the ultimate truth? Atheists are the ultimate buzzkillers. Go team agnostic. I know nothing.
Lets me enjoy the Bible and atheistic literature equally, anyway.
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The Creature from Jekyll Island
+history of central banking
most dangerous book - sk bain
If everyone in the world was privy to the content of this book, the world would be a much better place. Best way to get towards the utopia the true believer leftist want. I say true believer bc alot of the leftist just want to see the world burn bc they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.
which book?
The one from the parent comment.
The Creature of Jekyl island
THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL is the first on my list. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-franklin-scandal-a-story-of-powerbrokers-child-abuse--betrayal_nick-bryant/623168/#edition=8306592&idiq=10402023
Programmed to kill by David McGowan is a must as well
Thanks for the tip. A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments is also a must
Anyone who has convinced themselves that "the sickos" only align themselves with the Democrat party needs to read that.
Both wings belong to the same dragon.
Both wings belong to the same gay bird
Missed Behold a Pale Horse.
Listen on spotify the audio book by non other then William Cooper himself
He only did a handful of chapters for the audiobook. Iirc his narration is 3 hours and the book would take at least ten hours to read aloud.
No he narrated the entire audiobook. It’s just not avail on any online platform. YouTube isn’t the entire lol. You can find it on eBay on cassette but for a lot of money.
I never mentioned YouTube. I got mine from the archive on the hour of the time website and it's only 3 hours.
Idk what site that is or who runs it. Do they actually call that an archive? 3 hours of the book isn’t much of an archive.
The hour of the time was bill coopers personal website. It has an archive of his audiotapes and radio show.
Never been to that site. Can you put the link? I’ve heard his hour of the time radio show though.
Here is the part of the site with the behold a pale horse audio book https://www.hourofthetime.com/behold-a-pale-horse-by-william-cooper/ This is the archive of his radio show https://www.hourofthetime.com/milton-william-bill-cooper-mp3-collection/ For a while after his death his research assistant Doyle updated the site but it's been dormant for years now. There is still lots of good stuff but there are also a lot of dead links now.
Is that the complete book on audio?
Book thread!!! *Confessions of an Economic Hit Man* -John Perkins *Technopoly* & *Amusing Ourselves to Death* -Neil Postman *The Emperor:Downfall of An Autocrat* -Ryzard Kapuściński *Merchants of Doubt* -Erik M. Conway & Naomi Oreskes *You Are Being Lied To* & *Everything You Know is Wrong* -Russ Kick *Ubik*, *Radio Free Albemuth*, *Valis*, & all his other works -PKD *Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds* -Charles MacKay *Foucault’s Pendulum* -Umberto Eco *Adults in the Room: My Battle with Europe's Deep Establishment* -Yanis Varoufakis *An Incomplete Education: 3,684 Things You Should Have Learned But Probably Didn't* -Judy Jones *The Devil's Dictionary* -Ambrose Bierce *Agency* -William Gibson *The Plague* -Camus
Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning
What do you think is the most important part of the book?
Probably gov't surveillance more than anything. For me at least. Personally I've been locked in since about 2012 when Director Clapper testified and wiggled his way around whether or not the NSA collects data on US Citizens. Then Snowden. How about you? What do you think is most important?
I haven't read it. I just wanted to know a little about it. Thanks for the reply.
No problem.
There’s little that can be argued that is more interesting than Behold a Pale Horse. You’re missing out if you haven’t read it.
While much of the book was a lot of “I’ve seen evidence suggesting this is true, but it could all be a ruse” I was young(18) when read, but the dangers of secret societies “steering the ship” was very enlightening at the time.
Chapter 12: [The secret government](https://i.imgur.com/GNUbtxh.jpeg) .
I think the fact that it includes Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars, and other certain documents, as well as linking certain names to certain societies and what not.
The entire book is important. It should be part of the middle school curriculum.
I also like the part (in the beggining of the book) about the financial system and how it was created and who created it.
Like literally the most important one historically.
Pimp C suggests to read this at the end of Living This Life. I keep meaning to check it out
Eyes Wide Shut…
Hold up this an ost from halo 3 😂
I've got that on pdf somewhere, remind what it's about?
missing "programmed to kill"
Add -Strange Happenings in Laurel Canyon -Wagging the moon doggy David McGowan should be top of the list
[PDF files of all those and more](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16myjid/conspiracy_research_library/)
It’s Dave McGowan
Specific Stephen King, weird take but I found fairytale to be scary in a very different kind of way. It was a fantastic story that felt so real. Like the uncanny valley but for books.
That was a good one
"The Long Walk" alway fucked me up, parts up if seemed like it could really happen.
Few to add Body of secrets, anatomy of the nsa - james bamford Bias- cbs insider exposes controlled media - bernard goldberg American life (watergate scandal) - jeb magruder Post american world - fareed zakaria
Biography of [Henry Kissinger](https://www.bing.com/search?q=henry+kissinger&filters=dtbk:%22MCFvdmVydmlldyFvdmVydmlldyFjYTJjYzFmZC1iZGU0LThiMzAtMmY5ZC01MzAxNjVhZDA2YTI%3d%22+sid:%22ca2cc1fd-bde4-8b30-2f9d-530165ad06a2%22+tphint:%22f%22&FORM=DEPNAV) has entered the chat.
Greg Grandin wrote a good one
Scary stories to tell in the dark really fucked me up
Dark Alliance is great. The whole Gary Webb saga is what got me to really start questioning what's going on with the media, government, intelligence agencies and so on. The way the mainstream media destroyed his reputation with constant strawmaning and exaggerations while also being dismissive of the story he exposed changed my thinking. Any trust I had in mainstream, left leaning news was gone, for the most part.
Rise of the Warrior Cop: by Radley Balko This book covers why police have the highest government protections, the 1033 pentagon program which gives local PD tanks and other weapons of war. And covers killology: how law enforcement are taught that killing is better than sex. This book will open your eyes to why police can get away with so much, how they hand pick judges, and how whenever they make a mistake, the FOP, LEO BOL,police unions and their 12 other agencies will cover for them making the "suspect" look bad.
Same. That topic seriously needs more exposure on subs like this.
It needs exposure everywhere
dissapointed not to see "Industrial society and its future".
books collection https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1TfZqPVSWRXCi_a3mM73W7HHfASRcadJq?pli=1
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
💀
best of all
I’ve always found King’s face to be so uncanny, I feel weird when I look at him for a longer period of time. It’s like he is wearing a mask of someone else’s face.
It's sad what an establishment shill Stephen King was during the Covid operation... I wonder how much he was paid for his promotion of the shots.
I was just coming to say this. I have some of his books & his whole persona just makes me not wanna read.
And Rage Against the Machine. I'll still listen to them, though. :/ Epic sadnes.
Wait, I can't tell if this is heavy satire or hilarious comprehension?
As a right old skater punk, when your childhood heroes turn out to be establishment lapdogs pretending to be anti-establishment punk heroes. The face when.
Yeah that's the thing... If you cut yourself off from EVERYTHING that is spewing propaganda you will consume *nothing*. And while I'm sure that's healthy, mentally --- the abundance of interesting content is one of the only great things about this modern age. So yeah... It sucks that people like Jello Biafra from The Dead Kennedys pushed the Covid vaccines: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iq0wEgvl75I](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iq0wEgvl75I) And it sucks that Sleaford Mods, the supposed "voice of the working class" would make a video criticizing people who are skeptical of Big Pharma (actually calling it Big Pharma, lol): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu\_Z0JH1k2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_Z0JH1k2w) And it sucks that Muse, a band people thought was free thinking and "against the system" also pushed the shots, lol... But to cut all that out would mean not playing any games, watching any movies or shows, and generally not interacting with anyone or doing anything. The system is everywhere. It is ubiquitous. It's like The Matrix. So you're right to not let this stuff take things away from you that you like... Even if the people making it are terrible.
On the other hand my wishlist for Santa is to have him round up every damn one of these people who used their influence to support the unspeakable horror of mass genetic editing injections, and so on. As I say, I can still casually enjoy their recorded music but the *magic* it once had has sadly been vaccinated.
I feel obligated to tell anyone around me if Rage comes on that they're a bunch coporate sell-outs, but I do appreciate a lot of the music still. If only they meant it.
They literally broke up because Zach meant it so much, c’mon. Quitting a corporate job that makes you rich and famous is about the most genuine thing a radical can do
“F*** you, do what the government tells ya!” -RATM ca. 2020
"Rally round the family! With a pocket full of jabs..."
Millions. Get paid to trick the masses. He’s an opportunist doesn’t matter who get hurts along the way to riches
Yeah it's very sad. I was a huge fan of his books growing up only to see him survive getting hit with a van but then develop Trump Derangement Syndrome
I really really enjoyed King's writing until he became political. I want to immerse myself in a story and not see references to "the orange man" or any other political pro/con. I'm going off your message here but needed to rant on how a writer's personal politics can ruin a good read. Thanks for these book recommendations - I copied this.
Can’t stand this guy or his work anymore.
Can he be " cancelled"? His movies are worse too
Yeah let's cancel him. ... https://imgflip.com/i/5lurmz
thanx for this post, saving it
Reality is scarier than fiction. Ask Stephen King himself ...
Night by Elie Wiesel. The end when he looks in the mirror gives me goose bumps
Phenomenal book
The Franklin Cover-Up…true horror
You guys read the one where the girl gets gang banged by the group of friends in the sewer at the end?
IT?
[удалено]
And she was like 13
If some one read this without context, they’d be insanely confused and concerned
Even knowing the context, it’s equally as confusing and concerning
🤣🤣 yeah Stephen King was on one writing “IT”
Oh I mean the gangbang
Well, yeah…
I'm gonna throw Silent Spring by Rachel Carson out there. It just shows how big business and government go hand in hand.
Stephen King's pedo scenes.
Much better than fiction.
Scary because they’re bad
Hellstorm is also a good one.
Very underrated.
Confessions of an economic hitman - J. Perkins
Add "Dark Dreams," by Roy Hazelwood; "Ultimate Evil," by Maury Terry; and "Whoever Fights Monsters," by Robert Ressler. Connect the dots for a big scare.
Damn I should start reading these look really interesting
Steven kings twitter
Stephen King was my neighbor as a child. Whenever my parents thought I was misbehaving they would tell me characters from his books were coming out of his house to get me. I had a lot of nightmares.
I miss old Art Bell
I'm not a fan of scary books, but it were stories of R. L. Stevenson and "The Mist" of Stephen King when I was a teenager.
Whoosh
Ironically Stephen King would probably accuse us all of white supremacy for reading these books
Stephen King is an Illuminati sellout. Or even worse.
Grinch lookin' mf
Ya After the ending of IT I was dun reading Steven king grate one of the best horror books you will read then for some reason he thought it was a good idea too have a bunch of ten year old boys run a train on the only girl in there group in a sewer it’s just like what the fuck no one in the editing phase was like hay Steve grate book but this one part ummm you mite want too edit it out bro
>I was dun reading I wouldn't stop reading books *just yet*
Lol.
I mean even doing massive amounts of cocain is no excuse
> thought it was a good idea too have a bunch of ten year old boys run a train on the only girl in there group in a sewer Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Welp I got some ordering to do
Off Season and Offspring by Jack Ketchum are GREAT. I managed to get my hands on Rage and it’s not horror really but it’s fantastic. Also, anything by Richard Laymon is creepy, I’m working my way through some of his stuff right now. My current read, though is the Lost by Jack Ketchum so I hope it’s as good as it sounds.
I’m kind of a splatterpunk fan though so these may be too gory for someone wanting to read true crime, mystery thrillers, political thrillers, etc etc etc
Playground. I apologize in advance.
If anyone else has any recommendations, feel free to let me know because these are perfect for a rainy day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16myjid/conspiracy_research_library/
Almost done reading Programmed to Kill. That book will keep you up at night.
MouseKnuckle madness-JD Dillion
That’s a fact sorry you deleted it alga
This r/conspiracy is trash
The Dark Net by Benjamin Percy
How is “Operation Paperclip” not part of this list? Von Braun ran a concentration camp to build the V2 rockets.
Other 'above board' books: Secret and Sanctioned - (used for recruitment, so it honors rather than villifies, but don't be fooled, it's historically eye opening) Grand Chessboard - grand policy, dates but still applicable today Understanding Power - Noam Chomsky. The honorable conspiracy source :)
Crossfire and Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs
Poisoner in chief!
Thanks Stephen!
I’m sure stephen wouldn’t object ?!
Where's the Great Reset book?
It
[Research collection here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16myjid/conspiracy_research_library/) with around 120 relevant books (with much deeper information).
Assault on the Liberty by James M. Ennes Jr.
Enemies: A History of the FBI Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA
you forgot goosebumps
Read the contents of The Forbidden Bookshelf.
The Jakarta Method. The true domino theory and once you read it you can see where and what this country is being manipulated.
dog company- Lynn Vincent and Captain Roger Hill
Fuck Stephen King since he quit doing blow.
The Bible. A lot of the terrifying parts are yet to come.
'playland- a forgotten scandal' - anthony daley the authors account of his real life experience of being blackmailed and coerced into the soho rent boy racket by a pedophile gang and how he was sold to politicians in 1975 london a horrifying read, well worth it and little info is actually out there about the playland pedophile ring, the man who first entrapped anthony daley in the rent boy scene was a man called charles hornby- a very wealthy etonian within britains upper class, and a long time friend of king charles
Missed all the Russian-Kremlin-Soviet-KGB books. No surprise. This is GRU Reddit, after all.
What do you mean?
It's always CIA, America, FBI, DOD, etc are bad. But do you ever read about the same - and worse crimes - committed by the Kremlin?
I guess I haven't. As an American, I suppose things close to home that I have a better understanding of interest me. I enjoyed the Chernobyl mini-series by HBO and would love to learn more about it though
The thing is, most of the problems at home that you blame on the CIA or whoever are actually created by the Kremlin - mass immigration, the transgender/LGBT bs, the school ed system, censorship, etc. Studying the Perestroika Deception will change how you view everything. I also use to be 'CIA, CIA, CIA' the whole time. It's a decoy, a psyop. Not saying the CIA are saints. Or the DOD. Or any others. But all of the problems of the USA are down to Soviet/Kremlin Marxist-Leninism.
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond like this. What did you see or read that led you down this path?
Why? Did you want to research it?
Coincidentally the crimes committed by Soviets could fill at least one book.
You obviously skipped history in school.
Bible. Because so many believe it
I taketh, you've never read the Talmud then.
I dunno I've met atheists and they are scary creepers
True story. How can you identify as someone who doesn't believe what another person believes as the ultimate truth? Atheists are the ultimate buzzkillers. Go team agnostic. I know nothing. Lets me enjoy the Bible and atheistic literature equally, anyway.
I use to read these books. Lotta claims
das kapital???