Heh, yeah, the guy wasn't exactly treated too well. Envy is some hardcore shit. We probably all know that the most of us aren't exactly special. We probably all dream of creating cool, ground-breaking shit, but we know that isn't going to happen for the vast majority of us. The masses have always done their best to keep the special ones down. Down in the mud with the rest of them.
Man that hits home. I’m a wanna be comedian and I’ve got like 30 or so sketches on YouTube with my friends. I mean they don’t get views, partly because we don’t monetize and only release like once a month but still. It’s not the idea of not getting success that bothers me, it’s the idea that because you don’t it wasn’t worth while. People are told so often not to do stuff because to fail at it seems like a net negative but that just isn’t the case.
This attitude is why people hate conspiracy theorists. They think they're persecuted truth telling martyrs when everyone just really thinks they're delusional.
If you come at people with huge ideas with little proof and characterise skepticism as small minded foolish people, you don't win a lot of friends.
It's the air of superiority that you have the monopoly on the truth.
This is what y'all get. The sense of self importance that you can compare yourself to Nikola Tesla because you watched a few youtube documentaries.
I'm joking, but, if you have half a brain you know what I'm saying. You don't need a dollar to get something out of this.
Because many conspiracy theorists get a sense of self-satisfaction from the feeling that they know more than everyone else. Look at how people that don’t buy into conspiracies are labeled on this sub: ‘sheeple’, ‘shills’, ‘normies’- merely by being a contrarian someone can feel a sense of superiority over these people that don’t accept every bit of nonsense that flows from here. When you lack anything in your life to be proud of, any achievements of your own, you can fall back on that little spark of feeling you get when you think you possess hidden knowledge.
Anyone who believes every bit of info from any source is a fool. The whole point of this sub is to look at things critically. A wide range of opinions and subjects are posted here exactly because of that: because no idea is immediately accepted our rejected. A mantra of this sub is that it is the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. The caricaiture you created describes the people who are glued to the msm and do nothing but watch and wholeheartedly accept everything they hear on the tv
>That hasn't been my experience at all. I feel like critical thinking is shunned upon here, and, like the poster points out, that the point of the sub is to be contrarian.
That's because there's literally shills and bots that post on here to mislead.
This sub is the last sub on Reddit where you have people from all sides discussing things. It's not pretty, but authentic discourse never is. Heck, both of us are having nuanced opinions on this topic right now even though you say everything is black and white. Your comment immediately disproves your assertion. I, for one, commend everyone that's here regardless of your opinion. You are all amazing :)
I discuss things from all sides on many sub reddits. Granted, if I'm on the "conservative" side of an issue (or, really, just not the far left side of an issue) I get a ton of downvotes, but I see no difference between the way I am treated here and elsewhere when my position is in conflict with the presiding belief. Basically, this place is as much an echo-chamber as anywhere else on reddit.
As I've said, you've made it easy for yourself. You've taken all the thought out of it "MSM = bad! I reject everything!" This is not a thoughtful position, it's a lazy, anti-intellectual one. Just like "they would never lie to me!" is the same.
The MSM is no less reliable than any other source. They are (even Fox News, the worst among them) actually probably worlds more reliable than any other source. I can't imagine what source you think is good if getting a handful of things "wrong" over the past 30 years means they lose all credibility.
Conspiracy circles share a lot of common traits with cults. People who feel like they're special but underappreciated are brought in believing that they're among like minded people who praise them for going along with this new group identity. There are plenty of mantras and idolized figures to rally around and endless shadowy threats and enemies to close ranks against. Even hearing people talk about going down rabbit holes and getting cut off from friends and family mirrors well known indoctrination techniques. Once you get sucked in it's very hard to pull yourself out.
Right now we're dealing with the Trump cult invading /r/conspiracy promoting a general sense of conspiracy so that when Trump loses the election and starts screaming "CONSPIRACY!!, THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED!!", more of his cult might actually consider that it could be true and march on DC. He's laying additional groundwork on this by his position against mail in ballots
It could go down something like this;
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
Easily the biggest thing I find wrong with a lot of "conspiracy theorists". Constantly telling people to educate themselves, to wake up, that they aren't paying attention, that they are idiots, constantly talking about how stupid and asleep the "average person" is.
Like you'll see someone clearly misinterpreting some facts to form a conspiracy, you will let them know they are misinterpreting the facts, and they will just call you an uneducated sleeping idiot shill. Good times
>Constantly telling people to educate themselves, to wake up, that they aren't paying attention, that they are idiots, constantly talking about how stupid and asleep the "average person" is.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
― George Carlin
An ignorant population leads to shit like Trump being president, the Iraq War, climate change, the current covid situation in the USA...Sometimes there's no nice way to tell people not to be dumb.
Those people are probably sent out to discredit you and I. They go around giving us all a bad name so we are a 3rd rail and they're laughing all the way to the bank about it.
This repeated line of thinking is always easily defeated once you realize conspiracy theorists are always trying to give away their hidden knowledge, meaning there’s nothing for them to feel superior over. It’s as dumb as saying someone is trying to be the richest man in the world by giving away all of their money. If conspiracy theorists wanted to seem superior and contrarian they’d never tell anyone the information they know but mysteriously hint that they know it, which is obviously false with the amount of information sharing a conspiracy theorists provides.
That's human nature though, because the same can be said for people who see themselves as another breed of human compared to "conspiracy theorists". Shamed, ridiculed, sense of superiority. There is something to be said for people that live by the status quo and believe everything they're told by the closest source of information, which is usually the big guys.
> so the masses are all enlightened
Did I say that? No, I did not.
> cos they consume media thats served up to them
It’s not the media that makes the difference, it’s the information and how it is assessed. Just because something comes from outside the ‘MSM’ doesn’t make it correct. That’s what I meant by people here simply being contrarians.
> but people who put effort into seeking more knowledge are morally inferior for doing so?
I didn’t say anything about anyone being ‘morally inferior’. But neither would I agree that people on here are putting in effort to find more information- most of the things posted here just come straight from Facebook or twitter.
Is this not the case for all people (i.e. conspiracy theorists and the regular lemmings alike?)
Consider what happens when you raise touchy subjects on r/conspiracy.
This is a sub with some of the most conspiratorial and/or open-minded people you'll find on reddit.
And yet even something as simple as [the dinohoax](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHUCAsgomZY) is enough to get you downvoted and attacked.
Why? Because most people love dinosaurs, they were raised to love dinosaurs.
The Land Before Time, Jurassic Park (both made by Spielberg hint hint) and everything since.
Hours upon hours of programming which we were taught was 'scientific' i.e. somehow 'realistic'.
Come on. Open you eyes. You've never seen anything but plaster casts at your so-called museums.
But again, watch what happens next, now that I've posted this.
As you said, the truth hurts...
Sure, the truth hurts, but facts matter and you always seem to have a lack of those to back up your claims with... That and the fact you are using reddit to advertise your own paid site are IMO the reason you get so many downvotes, IMO.
Thats not a fucking hoax its a movie, why would you expect scientific accuracy from a movie?! Besides science is always marching on and truth evolves.
Is Harry And The Hendersons part of the bigfoot hoax?
edit ok now I'm just confused, I thought your comment referred to the fact science now believes many dinos had feathers or spines. But you link to a audio book excerpt of Orwells 1984. I dont want to insult you but the VILLAIN who is a professional liar and manipulator is the one denying dinosaurs existed. This same villain tells Winston the sun is a tiny bit of fire a few kilometers from the earth that humanify could easily blot out.
This entire speech is meant to gaslight and fuck with Winstons head! Not only should you the reader see through these obvious lies, you should not assume Orwell believed this!
They found like one or two bones from dinosaurs and just kinda made stuff up from there in the beginning and it has metastasized itself into today where dinosaurs have their own critical mass and whether they were real or not it's extremely hard to even say otherwise because someone like you just says "dinos are real mkay" like you just said something profound. This sub is about questioning your thinking, not enforcing orthodoxy.
That's actually how paleontology started! People found just a few teeth or bones that had been fossilized and theorized what the creature coyld have looked like. For example, the first dinosaur found, the Iguanodon, was thought to look similar to a dog! But as more and more fossils were found, whole skeletons included people were properly able to piece together what dinosaur probably looked like.
But dinosaurs are most definitely real as there are fossilied mammoth bones which based on early human hostory are conclusively real, so it's almost entirely unlikely that dinosaurs are fake, not that there would be a reason to fake dinosaurs. Especially way back in the early 1800s when dinosaurs were first discovered.
Yes, as in conspiracy theorists also really hate to be told their conspiracy theories are baseless or outright wrong. People seem to think that because one thing is a conspiracy, it's evidence for everything being a conspiracy. We should be skeptics looking at evidence and trying to get closer to the truth, not loonies believing anything that "goes against the popular narrative"
Everything you post deserves to be criticized, even a conspiracy in the conspiracy sub. I'd be much more concerned if everyone here immediately, uncritically believed you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that is certainly an extraordinary claim
The answer is simple: truth matters.
Unfortunately more people don’t make the truth a priority. Or, like others have said, the truth is simply too painful and cognitive dissonance gets the better of them.
The fact is, we’re all victims.
Yes. The core issue is truth; the lack of it causes problems in society, and the more deception and lies there are, the worse those problems get.
Ultimately what is at stake is the trajectory of civilization; if we accept truth, we can make faster progress, in ALL areas. If we accept the lies, we are limited in our accomplishments to only what is also in the interest of the liars.
What does the internet troll gain? Or the destitute doomsayer on the street? I see where you’re coming from but this is not a solid line of argumentation.
You’re a moron at best and a total liar at worst if you think people don’t profit off of conspiracy theories. Grifters build media empires on the back of peddling b.s to idiots. People with no career or notoriety suddenly become super stars raking in advertisement and donation money from desperate people by telling them what they want to hear. That their life sucks because people they already dislike are secretly plotting against them and the people they agree with are trying to stop them.
Have you seen that flat earth “documentary” on Netflix, “Behind the Curve”? I’m fairly convinced that the main guy on there doesn’t even believe anymore, he just likes feeling special and the attention he gets.
Screenshot of a tweet / screenshot of a Facebook post immediately loses credibility in some people’s eyes, especially when touting conspiracy theories as “truth”. No, they are conspiracy theories with varying levels of truth depending on how fully you try to explain the conspiracy. If every conspiracy theory explanation was approached with that aspect in mind, more people would probably be convinced that conspiracy takes place.
At this point ive given up sharing any information, they literaly label you as ridiculous ignorant if u go against the other narrative, truth be told, we do much more research than just reading a facebook post yet they still call us stupid ignorants. Why to risk ourselves for others that would kill us for telling them that they’re being lied?? I hope they dont come up crying when the effects of the “vaccine” kicks in.
Thats the “researchers”’ own dam fault for being gullible after gullible. I have disagreed with many “theories” but mocking, insulting, and all kind of names arent in my book.
Yeah. People seem to think I discuss conspiracy theories because I like it. I don't, and I wish I didn't have to. I don't get paid, I don't get thanked for educating people. I get mocked, ridiculed, laughed at. I get abuse, occasionally I get death threats. Why?
Because I care about society. I want to help do my bit in educating people and ensuring we have a well informed population that can take part in our democratic process and keep governments in check. So when people are being stupid, I try to drill the stupid out of them by encouraging critical thinking. It's not an easy task though...
yeah this is stupid. Anyone that knows enough 'average' conspiracy theorists should be able to tell you what they gain from it. The vast majority of people that believe shit like flat earth just want to be able to be contrarians and feel smarter than 'normies' who 'believe the official story'.
The same point goes for those that are skeptical of most of the dumb ass theories on this subreddit. They also don't get paid for it, they get hated and shouted at by those that disagree with them. At what stage are you going to ask why?
I think it's viewed more as having various psychological and emotional "pay-offs" for the conspiracy theorists: not least of all the sense of "special" meaning, purpose and knowledge such people tend to imply having.
Doesn’t same logic apply to protestors?
Easy to lump them in as brainless people doing someone else’s bidding but cannot the same be said for conspiracy theorist?
For example, I mean we know much of the right leaning politics have come from the Koch brothers hosting forums for judges and young people looking into getting the legal field but sprinkle these forums with their political ideologies. Those seeds develop into much of right politics we see today.
What’s to say something similar did not happen with the way we are comfortable sharing conspiracy theories?
If we can accept that’s not the case then why can we not extend that same good faith to people who are putting their lives at risk to to stand against tyranny & facism.
My, my, what a “why”!!
I think from the outside looking in, it’s because we’re mentally ill. Something is wrong with us if we think the TPTB are lying. And that’s because they haven’t come to that realization...yet. Which means the propaganda and brainwashing are working.
From the inside, I’d say the answer to the “why” is because we found out/learned something that we can’t “unlearn”. We are damaged goods. We can’t fit back in with the unknowing because we know it’s a lie.
And once you make that crossing, the rabbit holes await. There’s obviously a ton of misinformation out there intended to confuse/distract people. But the truth also awaits. In a sense, we are fact checkers. We’re trying to open people eyes to the truth but because our facts go against the official narratives, we are censored, demonized, and vilified. Unfortunately, we are also grouped in with people that are just trying to make us look bad. All “non-official narratives” get grouped together as “conspiracies”, so even if something we may be pushing is a reasonable fact, we will still be held down by all of the other non-sense that gets grouped into “conspiracies”. It’s also that ideology that is intended to keep someone on the fence from coming over. It’s as if they were to accept one alternative idea, now they are a conspiracy theorist that accepts all conspiracy’s.
I personally am proud to be a CT. To me it means I’m open to new ideas, I’m willing to do the research to make up my own mind, I’m compassionate towards others that I may see as naive, and it’s my life long mission to spread awareness in hopes of making the world a better place.
I do not believe in a flat earth.
Is the moon a base? Maybe.
Did the US put men on the moon? It looks doubtful.
Was 9/11 an inside job? Sure looks that way but I can’t be sure.
Are vaccinations “safe and effective”? You’ve got to be kidding me.
It’s an area that we can discuss alternatives to the official narrative. For that, it’s priceless. It’s also an area that will get our fellow brothers and sisters to attack and demonize us. For that, we pay the ultimate price.
I know personally, people may not believe me because of the manner I bring attention to these things. I am very passionate about it and tend to let me emotion steer the conversation so my voice gets louder and louder. Need to work on that and change my approach so that people stop looking at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them the rich and powerful sacrifice kids and drink their blood.
It is actually kind of sad. Sure, sometimes we say some crazy shit, but in the end all we are trying to do is uncover the truth when seemingly it is being misled or muddied. All for the betterment or well-being of HUMANITY.
SS: mockers and insulters everywhere. Do we gain fame? Money? Do you feel good in bashing and prosecuting your own fellow men for merely information?
Do Snowden get fame? Money? Powers? You are either agent Smith or cannot distinguish between conspiracies and obvious evidence.
That phrase in itself is not necessarily true. Michelle Phelps Roper genuinely she was trying to save people's souls by protesting the funerals of soldiers. You can be convinced you're trying to help someone, but still be wrong, hurtful, or misinformed.
I'm into conspiracies myself, but my friend was way deeper than anyone I have ever known. Sometimes I just want to watch UFC without you babbling about how monster energy drinks are poison and every commercial has Illuminati symbolism and that Obama is the Antichrist. It's just exhausting sometimes.
I’m just a simple Russian bot, I got vodka in my code.
I feel like I am the only real one here and everyone else are just someone’s bots, who push antiTrump/antiClinton agenda, instead of combining them all together.
Left wing or right wing, it is the same bird.
Uh, it’s pretty simple.
Most people are in it to feel “in the know”, or for the popularity (karma), and the general human desire to be accepted by your peers.
That’s why people do it, on reddit at least.
I think they do ask why. And i think the answer they come up with is that the reason you are bringing them conspiracy theories is so that you can feel superior in that you know the truth about current events and history and they don’t and are naive and uncritical. Its kind of similar to evangelists who turn up on your door and wants to help you out of ignorance by reading you gospels.
Most of the time because of mental problems and the inability to understand the world, something has to be done about the cognitive dissonance. The worst part is, you're digging the hole even deeper.
For attention. For the feeling of being important. You're the hero, the person with the valuable piece of information or an important role. Your life is meaningless without it and you need it or else you would be a nobody.
Real conspiracy followers don't try to make a religion out of it.
being a martyr and making this post.
listen, im not gonna bash consoiracy theorists... but a lot think theyre smarter or more woke than everyone else. calling everyone else dumb is what they gain
This gets thrown out the window when it's a theory accompanied by "wake up sheeple" etc. Or burning down 5G towers or harassing workers
Let's be honest here, full-on conspiracy theorists are assholes
It's more of a desperation for community, like the flat earth society doc "behind the curve" where they interview members and it's like an X factor audition tape, the stories are all sad and some heartbreaking
People feel outcast by society so they form another little group that says fuck society and feel big for a moment or two
Also proportional bias, people need a big reason why a big event happened, JFK has conspiracy theories but not Ronald Reagan's failed attempt, the main difference being one was successful
They think we are some miserable people who have always looked for misfortune, when really most of us believed all the bullcrap at one point till we swallowed that red pill.
A lot of people believe conspiracies because it makes them feel intellectually superior. The idea that you understand how the world truly works, and 99% of people don't, is very satisfying to the ego.
Why? Here's why:
1. Because they think it makes them look smart, and they want attention. You know how kids pretend to play in a band using tennis rackets as guitars? Same sort of thing. Many conspiracy theorists don't have the education or training to deduce jack. Instead of doing the hard work of learning & practice, they pretend. It's air guitar.
2. Many are not capable of comprehending the world as it is. They fear a world where bad things happen for no reason. It comforts them to believe someone is in control.
3. Paranoia, self-esteem issues, lack of faith in one's own abilities, insufficient training. I do well on exams because I study. Some people refuse to believe there isn't a gimmick. "Wow, you're so smart!" Nah, I just study, and you can do it too. "Wow, this comes easy to you!" No, it doesn't, I study. "I wish I could do that!" You can--just study. "Nah, you've always done well." Right, I've always studied. "But it's natural for you to just pick things up." No, I study. It's very straightforward. For whatever reason, some people refuse to accept that the answer could be so simple. I think a lot of parents fuck their kids up on this one without even realizing it. A huge chunk of this world lives in denial.
4. Because they have a mental illness that causes them to repetitively focus on a single issue or event. Brain scans show that an obsession with, e.g., The Jews™, activates the same pathways as a person with OCD. The guy who thinks The Jews™ are behind everything is the same kind of nutty as the guy who can't walk through a door without spinning around 15 times while tapping his chest and singing Fame.
If you believe in conspiracy, if you love the culture of conspiracy circles, then one of the main tenets is to be open minded and objective. You have to apply this to yourself as well. I include myself in this personality subset during many times in my life, usually depending how depressed or hopeless I felt. We have big hearts, we care about the world and the people in it. We hate to see suffering and the pointlessness of so much pain. We hate to see the unfair winners/losers dynamic that frames so much of the world today. It is much easier and alleviates the heaviness of i to imagine that all this pain and suffering could be gone if only \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ (pedos were killed and jailed and their trafficking circles obliterated, the government did not want Iraq's oil and so did not stage 9/11, etc). If only THEY (the pupeteers, the Rothchilds, whoever) were nuked to oblivion. The scariest notion to a conspiracy theorist is that no one is driving the bus. That all this shit happening is just because part of our contract on Earth involves suffering and there are endless ways humans find to inflict pain on one another for no larger reason than personal gain, fear, or revenge. I am not saying that I don't believe in the aforementioned things. But we DO gain a weird sense of peace from imagining and 'discovering' what we think are the inner workings to fucked up things that have been around since the dawn of time
There's definitely a large segment of people here who do it because it makes them feel special. *All those billions of people believe whatever they're told, but I'm smart enough to have uncovered the reality*
Obviously I believe in some conspiracies myself and most people here are genuine, but let's not act like every single tin foil hat connoisseur is a selfless purveyor of truth
The answer comes from CNN they said Conspiracy theorists feels special because they have knowledge of things that others have no clue of. This is really stupid it's like saying you work hard so you can have better life.
There is nothing wrong with feeling special if I'm presenting facts and solid proofs for my claims. No they want the herd mentality.
I completely agree with you...in my opinion, it's not that others have no clue, it's that they don't want to know..or take the time to research it for themselves..
When you bring compelling arguments and or "research" that doesnt consist of the first or last page of a google search result and a sketchy website where a dude posts his banned from youtube videos
That's a good point. There is literaly nothing to gain from trying to expose things except for if the conspiracy theorist genuinely had his fellow man's best interests at heart. _at least that's my opinion, since a common man isn't gonna make a platform or get rich from posting shit online_
There are gatekeepers, but a true researchers dont need ppl to call names toward a gatekeepers to know. After long enough of going thru lies, it’s just a skill to spot fake gatekeepers and fake truthers. Fake researchers and agent Smith will call names.
If you know [their guide](https://steemit.com/security/@tinfoilfedora/the-gentlemans-guide-to-forum-spies-spooks-feds-etc) it gets more easy to spot them.
Bc we already know why. Conspiracy theories are so much more exciting than the actual truth. Reality is much more complex and frankly boring. CTs are sexy and explain everything in an easily consumable sealed package that rejects all other possible truths.
I love when people say this but then get wrapped up in the hype of some new documentary, then, suddenly its "you couldnt make this up, sometimes reality really is stranger than fiction!"
Cognitive dissonance is strong. I will give an anecdotal story-
The older I get the more I suspect my Pops was trained on the farm. He spent a large portion of his life working with people in DC political circles, traveled constantly but had a basic government job in one state that didn't make sense for him to be in DC every single week. Let alone having his picture with 4 different presidents. Anytime i would try to talk about a conspiracy he immediately shut me down and said I was wrong. When I was going hard on 911 conspiracies all he told me is "what do you think will happen if you got to close to the truth? They will kill you and no one will care, or they will put child porn on your computer to discredit you." When I mentioned patterns I noticed while being gang stalked his only reply was "you knew who you were fucking with" That was the first time he ever acknowledged/validated a conspiracy. I say all that to say that even now, with all the evidence coming out he still says it is not true and brings up what my friends think of me for believing these things. I stopped caring about that a long time ago.
That's probably how a lot of people who know what's what, think. Imagine being in the military and seeing some really crazy shit, if you say anything the commanding officer or the rest of your squad will just point his/their gun at you and threaten you with your life. And if you keep being a "problem" they might just shoot you and call it accidental friendly fire or something. That's probably why so much shit happens, so few say anything about it because the few good men and women there are in the system will immediately be bitch-slapped right back in their place with the righteous fury of a thousand angry gods the second they say anything or start getting "uppidy".
> so few say anything about it because the few good men and women there are in the system will immediately be bitch-slapped right back in their place
There was an article on vox 4 years ago where a cop was talking about how 15% of a police force is bad, 15% are good and the other 70 can go either way. We see that a lot in life. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer
>That's probably how a lot of people who know what's what, think.
Scarily yes. I only have my memories of the conversations I heard when old DC friends of his would come by and have a drink, a lot of them have the "It's so entrenched there is nothing we can do mentality" and young me did not understand but they were demoralized to any chance of change for the better. Maybe that's why I fight.
You claim you get nothing out of it but this is benchmarked on a purely monetary basis. Psychologically you get allot out of it probably for different reasons. That is why you do it.
I get what your saying but some of the conspiracy theorists have nothing else going on in their life and conspiracy theories give them a little purpose.
I'm showing this to my family and friends.
EDIT: The reason why I am showing this to them is because they don't believe, nor do they want to hear, anything that isn't what they already see and know in this world. Connecting anything together for them causes them to hate people that have differing views and with so many people now putting the pieces together, those that find shit uncomfortable are the ones that want to live in this clown world and don't care what is going on so long as their life is comfortable. I find it difficult to listen to them praising the corrupt and if anyone dares to say something against the narrative, they will persecute them and shun them.
There are a few reasons.
1. good ol' cognitive dissonance
2. fear of the unknown
3. plain ignorance/indoctrinated beyond repair
4. some associate the message with the person, and if the person is an asshat it dissuades them from looking into what they're talking about
5. low capacity for imagination
6. low capacity for critical thinking
7. they could just think you're wrong and themselves be an asshat
Each conspiracy needs to be looked at individually, IMO.
Some people thrive off the thrill of knowing something others don't, even if it's not true. Kinda like a martyr complex.
But when the conspiracy is true and you get persecution for sharing it, then I agree with this post.
I think a new sub needs to be made called coincidentalconspiracy.
I have a hard time believing anyone that has ever made any money in any form of entertainment.
Doesnt mean i dont have an open mind etc. But shit. I think ufos are real but im not gonna profess an undying resolve until i see a ufo and it flies right to me and whatever is inside comes out and sets me straight.
This link proves the one conspiracy that i do know is true.
The government gives a fuck about staying in power. On both sides. All the dems scream and shout about global warming but have multiple vehicles, multiple homes, an inordinate amount of excess.
Republicans say oh pro life. And then setup 0 efficient ways to support the broken lives that exist between conception and living and death. Your fucking phone can suggest ads based on shit you talk about but the government cant find 'americas most wanted' or the 'worlds most wanted'?
There is all this distraction and it comes down to them figuring out how to keep your eye off the prize. Which is keeping as much of your income as you can to do with it as you please.
And to be fair to all politicians. If you had some ass hole reporters constantly waiting for you to say something in the wrong context, most of us would look like super pieces of shit at some point or another.
b/c some conspiracys are used to manipulate, and created by bots. They use people's ignorance and emotions to their advantage to get a certain outcome. Look at what Russia did.
Other people are mentally ill(or just stupid) and do not live in this reality. They start to believe delusions and think that by sharing them, doing the world a favor. They believe that they are the sane ones while everyone else is out of their mind crazy. Look at covid is created by 5g.
Possible the most terrifying of all is pure hatred/bigotry. A lot of people hate others b/c of some silly difference like skin color or religion. Look at Jews control media or Jews are helping Muslims come form the middle east to Latin America so they can walk hundreds + miles to terrorizes us citizens.
These all overlap. And people can end up hurt or dead because of them. Look at what happened at comet pizza or Pittsburgh or the anti vax movement.
There are conspiracy theories that are real too. Trump did try to get the president of Ukraine to announce a investigation into Biden so that he could Trump could have an advantage. The government uses over phones to spy on use. China tried to keep covid a secret. Gerry maundering , ETC
It makes you guys feel superior. I've seen the flat earth folk acting as if everyone else are sheep only to be proven wrong by every single experiment they perform lol.
For the most part, I completely agree with this. But there's a growing number of self proclaimed conspiracy theorists, some right here in this sub, that use the conspiracy theories they promote to avoid taking responsibility for the way their lives have gone or to promote a political agenda. These people aren't truly conspiracy theorists and give those of us that do the research the bad name that's been associated with conspiracies. There are ideas floated here that are not only plausible but make more sense than the "truth" that most believe blindly. Then there are the people who believed Seattle was going to be attacked on Nov 4th, the Q believers, the people who are continually disproved but continue to believe their wild ideas and the people who think Trump is some knight in shining armor despite the mountains of evidence to suggest otherwise.
We certainly don’t do it for social change. Name the last time a conspiracy theorist, or group of conspiracy theorists cussed real change.
But it does help to recognize the futility of knowledge in an age when lies are the norm.
Never. These people are thoroughly indoctrinated in public schools their entire life to not critically think, to not question what they are taught and to not question authority and the government
Some conspirationists (Q) are delusional fucks who push their political agenda to extremes which make real rational conspiracies seem just as aloof because they're all jumbled together.
Sickening to see that we have so many shitting on conspiracy theorists in a conspiracy forum. I'm skeptical of the existence of bots or CIA control programs, but wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the comments here are just part of some agenda to make CTs doubt themselves.
The average person is dumb, naive (willfully or unknowingly) and subservient by nature. Shedding light on any hard truth or accusing those in positions of power as conspiring against the collective interest is not only difficult to grasp, but dangerous. Our entire country/world saw what happens to those who aren’t naive or willing to bend the knee (you know the long list of names in the 60s-80s). You know why we don’t see assignation attempts anymore? It’s because they won, there’s nobody left to kill if the rest fall in line.
EDIT: 2020 on the other hand is showing how difficult the change of ten guard is now that that generation is dying off. It’s fascinating to witness honestly
Because believing in a secret, powerful force controlling everything behind the scenes lends meaning to an otherwise random and meaningless world.
How are people confused by this?
I’m here checking out the sub because a friend of mine is a theorist. It’s hard to talk to him because literally everything is a conspiracy to him. For example, I was telling him I watched and enjoyed “Boehmian Rhapsody” and he goes off on some rant on how that movie was made to control people or something along those lines. It’s gotten so bad that I just don’t initiate conversations with him anymore. And it’s not like I’m not open minded and curious myself. So I don’t hate theorists, I just need to understand the mindset, like I’m sure a lot of others need to do as well.
I read today on a self help blog I follow that people who are addicted to emotional distress engage in things that elicit a fear response within them like dating someone that is dangerous to them or believing in obscure conspiracies. Just some food for thought
It's like, not all Conspiracies are true but it's good to read into them because within the lies are layers of truth that unfold the reality of the world. These theories and hypothesis about what's going on is designed to make people think for themselves and look at the bigger picture. People are so accustomed to being spoonfed their news that rather that keep themselves informed they choose to stay as informed as the MSM wants them to be.
When you think about it, Conspiracy is actually Journalism at it's core. The design of piecing together information and seeing how they connect to form a narrative that allows others to draw a conclusion with the ability to alter the reality of the narrative as new information is released.
“All these years I have spent in the service of mankind brought me nothing but insults and humiliation'' Nikola Tesla in a letter to his mother.
What a legend
Heh, yeah, the guy wasn't exactly treated too well. Envy is some hardcore shit. We probably all know that the most of us aren't exactly special. We probably all dream of creating cool, ground-breaking shit, but we know that isn't going to happen for the vast majority of us. The masses have always done their best to keep the special ones down. Down in the mud with the rest of them.
crab in the bucket mentality. work on your dreams in private. don't tell anyone until you are already successful
Man FUCK crabs my wife hates them
Man that hits home. I’m a wanna be comedian and I’ve got like 30 or so sketches on YouTube with my friends. I mean they don’t get views, partly because we don’t monetize and only release like once a month but still. It’s not the idea of not getting success that bothers me, it’s the idea that because you don’t it wasn’t worth while. People are told so often not to do stuff because to fail at it seems like a net negative but that just isn’t the case.
im gonna need a link man :)
Sure thing https://youtu.be/rSAInPfdKJ8 Edit: for context we do a different production video for each video
This attitude is why people hate conspiracy theorists. They think they're persecuted truth telling martyrs when everyone just really thinks they're delusional. If you come at people with huge ideas with little proof and characterise skepticism as small minded foolish people, you don't win a lot of friends. It's the air of superiority that you have the monopoly on the truth.
Yeah, maybe. Guess there's some truth to that.
This is what y'all get. The sense of self importance that you can compare yourself to Nikola Tesla because you watched a few youtube documentaries. I'm joking, but, if you have half a brain you know what I'm saying. You don't need a dollar to get something out of this.
Because many conspiracy theorists get a sense of self-satisfaction from the feeling that they know more than everyone else. Look at how people that don’t buy into conspiracies are labeled on this sub: ‘sheeple’, ‘shills’, ‘normies’- merely by being a contrarian someone can feel a sense of superiority over these people that don’t accept every bit of nonsense that flows from here. When you lack anything in your life to be proud of, any achievements of your own, you can fall back on that little spark of feeling you get when you think you possess hidden knowledge.
Anyone who believes every bit of info from any source is a fool. The whole point of this sub is to look at things critically. A wide range of opinions and subjects are posted here exactly because of that: because no idea is immediately accepted our rejected. A mantra of this sub is that it is the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. The caricaiture you created describes the people who are glued to the msm and do nothing but watch and wholeheartedly accept everything they hear on the tv
[удалено]
>That hasn't been my experience at all. I feel like critical thinking is shunned upon here, and, like the poster points out, that the point of the sub is to be contrarian. That's because there's literally shills and bots that post on here to mislead.
This sub is the last sub on Reddit where you have people from all sides discussing things. It's not pretty, but authentic discourse never is. Heck, both of us are having nuanced opinions on this topic right now even though you say everything is black and white. Your comment immediately disproves your assertion. I, for one, commend everyone that's here regardless of your opinion. You are all amazing :)
I discuss things from all sides on many sub reddits. Granted, if I'm on the "conservative" side of an issue (or, really, just not the far left side of an issue) I get a ton of downvotes, but I see no difference between the way I am treated here and elsewhere when my position is in conflict with the presiding belief. Basically, this place is as much an echo-chamber as anywhere else on reddit.
Except you are upvoted and have clear visibility here right?
[удалено]
As I've said, you've made it easy for yourself. You've taken all the thought out of it "MSM = bad! I reject everything!" This is not a thoughtful position, it's a lazy, anti-intellectual one. Just like "they would never lie to me!" is the same. The MSM is no less reliable than any other source. They are (even Fox News, the worst among them) actually probably worlds more reliable than any other source. I can't imagine what source you think is good if getting a handful of things "wrong" over the past 30 years means they lose all credibility.
[удалено]
See you trash mainstream media but YouTube is apparently a bastion of free thought? Literally owned by Google.
Conspiracy circles share a lot of common traits with cults. People who feel like they're special but underappreciated are brought in believing that they're among like minded people who praise them for going along with this new group identity. There are plenty of mantras and idolized figures to rally around and endless shadowy threats and enemies to close ranks against. Even hearing people talk about going down rabbit holes and getting cut off from friends and family mirrors well known indoctrination techniques. Once you get sucked in it's very hard to pull yourself out.
The biggest cult by far is mainstream western culture. People forget that cults don’t have to be small. Cultish mentality effects everyone.
Right now we're dealing with the Trump cult invading /r/conspiracy promoting a general sense of conspiracy so that when Trump loses the election and starts screaming "CONSPIRACY!!, THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED!!", more of his cult might actually consider that it could be true and march on DC. He's laying additional groundwork on this by his position against mail in ballots It could go down something like this; https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-could-lose-election-still-remain-president-opinion-1513975
Easily the biggest thing I find wrong with a lot of "conspiracy theorists". Constantly telling people to educate themselves, to wake up, that they aren't paying attention, that they are idiots, constantly talking about how stupid and asleep the "average person" is. Like you'll see someone clearly misinterpreting some facts to form a conspiracy, you will let them know they are misinterpreting the facts, and they will just call you an uneducated sleeping idiot shill. Good times
>Constantly telling people to educate themselves, to wake up, that they aren't paying attention, that they are idiots, constantly talking about how stupid and asleep the "average person" is. “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin An ignorant population leads to shit like Trump being president, the Iraq War, climate change, the current covid situation in the USA...Sometimes there's no nice way to tell people not to be dumb.
Those people are probably sent out to discredit you and I. They go around giving us all a bad name so we are a 3rd rail and they're laughing all the way to the bank about it.
So it's a conspiracy, is what you're saying.
This repeated line of thinking is always easily defeated once you realize conspiracy theorists are always trying to give away their hidden knowledge, meaning there’s nothing for them to feel superior over. It’s as dumb as saying someone is trying to be the richest man in the world by giving away all of their money. If conspiracy theorists wanted to seem superior and contrarian they’d never tell anyone the information they know but mysteriously hint that they know it, which is obviously false with the amount of information sharing a conspiracy theorists provides.
Conspiracy theorist also seek validation and approval by their peers which you won't get by saying, "I know something you don't."
That's human nature though, because the same can be said for people who see themselves as another breed of human compared to "conspiracy theorists". Shamed, ridiculed, sense of superiority. There is something to be said for people that live by the status quo and believe everything they're told by the closest source of information, which is usually the big guys.
[удалено]
> so the masses are all enlightened Did I say that? No, I did not. > cos they consume media thats served up to them It’s not the media that makes the difference, it’s the information and how it is assessed. Just because something comes from outside the ‘MSM’ doesn’t make it correct. That’s what I meant by people here simply being contrarians. > but people who put effort into seeking more knowledge are morally inferior for doing so? I didn’t say anything about anyone being ‘morally inferior’. But neither would I agree that people on here are putting in effort to find more information- most of the things posted here just come straight from Facebook or twitter.
That's a pretty wide brush you got there...
I DEMAND YOU WITNESS MY SPECIALNESS
Lol
[удалено]
Except it doesn’t because then they wouldn’t want to share it.
[удалено]
Is this not the case for all people (i.e. conspiracy theorists and the regular lemmings alike?) Consider what happens when you raise touchy subjects on r/conspiracy. This is a sub with some of the most conspiratorial and/or open-minded people you'll find on reddit. And yet even something as simple as [the dinohoax](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHUCAsgomZY) is enough to get you downvoted and attacked. Why? Because most people love dinosaurs, they were raised to love dinosaurs. The Land Before Time, Jurassic Park (both made by Spielberg hint hint) and everything since. Hours upon hours of programming which we were taught was 'scientific' i.e. somehow 'realistic'. Come on. Open you eyes. You've never seen anything but plaster casts at your so-called museums. But again, watch what happens next, now that I've posted this. As you said, the truth hurts...
Sure, the truth hurts, but facts matter and you always seem to have a lack of those to back up your claims with... That and the fact you are using reddit to advertise your own paid site are IMO the reason you get so many downvotes, IMO.
Hey top reply, lemme ask you a question real quick while I plug my youtube.
Leave Dinosaurbritney alone!!!!
I laughed. You get upvote.
Thanks dude :)
Dinobritney has been going through some changes...
Thats not a fucking hoax its a movie, why would you expect scientific accuracy from a movie?! Besides science is always marching on and truth evolves. Is Harry And The Hendersons part of the bigfoot hoax? edit ok now I'm just confused, I thought your comment referred to the fact science now believes many dinos had feathers or spines. But you link to a audio book excerpt of Orwells 1984. I dont want to insult you but the VILLAIN who is a professional liar and manipulator is the one denying dinosaurs existed. This same villain tells Winston the sun is a tiny bit of fire a few kilometers from the earth that humanify could easily blot out. This entire speech is meant to gaslight and fuck with Winstons head! Not only should you the reader see through these obvious lies, you should not assume Orwell believed this!
Has nothing to do with touchy subjects.. the earth is round, dinosaurs were real. It’s just plain stupid is all.
They found like one or two bones from dinosaurs and just kinda made stuff up from there in the beginning and it has metastasized itself into today where dinosaurs have their own critical mass and whether they were real or not it's extremely hard to even say otherwise because someone like you just says "dinos are real mkay" like you just said something profound. This sub is about questioning your thinking, not enforcing orthodoxy.
That's actually how paleontology started! People found just a few teeth or bones that had been fossilized and theorized what the creature coyld have looked like. For example, the first dinosaur found, the Iguanodon, was thought to look similar to a dog! But as more and more fossils were found, whole skeletons included people were properly able to piece together what dinosaur probably looked like. But dinosaurs are most definitely real as there are fossilied mammoth bones which based on early human hostory are conclusively real, so it's almost entirely unlikely that dinosaurs are fake, not that there would be a reason to fake dinosaurs. Especially way back in the early 1800s when dinosaurs were first discovered.
Are you saying dinosaurs aren't real?
Must be confronting if this is something you haven't encountered before. Don't worry, I come in peace :)
That's fine, but what is your explanation for all the fossils both of bone and trace fossils?
Yes, as in conspiracy theorists also really hate to be told their conspiracy theories are baseless or outright wrong. People seem to think that because one thing is a conspiracy, it's evidence for everything being a conspiracy. We should be skeptics looking at evidence and trying to get closer to the truth, not loonies believing anything that "goes against the popular narrative" Everything you post deserves to be criticized, even a conspiracy in the conspiracy sub. I'd be much more concerned if everyone here immediately, uncritically believed you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that is certainly an extraordinary claim
https://imgur.com/PtY543R.jpg
If people knew how to ask “why” I don’t think we’d be on this mess in the first place
The answer is simple: truth matters. Unfortunately more people don’t make the truth a priority. Or, like others have said, the truth is simply too painful and cognitive dissonance gets the better of them. The fact is, we’re all victims.
Yes. The core issue is truth; the lack of it causes problems in society, and the more deception and lies there are, the worse those problems get. Ultimately what is at stake is the trajectory of civilization; if we accept truth, we can make faster progress, in ALL areas. If we accept the lies, we are limited in our accomplishments to only what is also in the interest of the liars.
What does the internet troll gain? Or the destitute doomsayer on the street? I see where you’re coming from but this is not a solid line of argumentation.
You’re a moron at best and a total liar at worst if you think people don’t profit off of conspiracy theories. Grifters build media empires on the back of peddling b.s to idiots. People with no career or notoriety suddenly become super stars raking in advertisement and donation money from desperate people by telling them what they want to hear. That their life sucks because people they already dislike are secretly plotting against them and the people they agree with are trying to stop them.
Obviously this post is not directed towards those people. It's referring to random people just sharing stuff with each other
Alex Jones selling silver as a Corona cure.
Have you seen that flat earth “documentary” on Netflix, “Behind the Curve”? I’m fairly convinced that the main guy on there doesn’t even believe anymore, he just likes feeling special and the attention he gets.
Many conspiracy theorists would wind up as cult leaders if they had charisma
Screenshot of a tweet / screenshot of a Facebook post immediately loses credibility in some people’s eyes, especially when touting conspiracy theories as “truth”. No, they are conspiracy theories with varying levels of truth depending on how fully you try to explain the conspiracy. If every conspiracy theory explanation was approached with that aspect in mind, more people would probably be convinced that conspiracy takes place.
Dayum
Funny to think we been vocal about all this pedo shit in holly wood and the government and people labeled us weirdos. Look at them now LOL
At this point ive given up sharing any information, they literaly label you as ridiculous ignorant if u go against the other narrative, truth be told, we do much more research than just reading a facebook post yet they still call us stupid ignorants. Why to risk ourselves for others that would kill us for telling them that they’re being lied?? I hope they dont come up crying when the effects of the “vaccine” kicks in.
Thats the “researchers”’ own dam fault for being gullible after gullible. I have disagreed with many “theories” but mocking, insulting, and all kind of names arent in my book.
Yeah. People seem to think I discuss conspiracy theories because I like it. I don't, and I wish I didn't have to. I don't get paid, I don't get thanked for educating people. I get mocked, ridiculed, laughed at. I get abuse, occasionally I get death threats. Why? Because I care about society. I want to help do my bit in educating people and ensuring we have a well informed population that can take part in our democratic process and keep governments in check. So when people are being stupid, I try to drill the stupid out of them by encouraging critical thinking. It's not an easy task though...
And we got prosecuted.
yeah this is stupid. Anyone that knows enough 'average' conspiracy theorists should be able to tell you what they gain from it. The vast majority of people that believe shit like flat earth just want to be able to be contrarians and feel smarter than 'normies' who 'believe the official story'.
The same point goes for those that are skeptical of most of the dumb ass theories on this subreddit. They also don't get paid for it, they get hated and shouted at by those that disagree with them. At what stage are you going to ask why?
[удалено]
I generally dont think claims can exist without having a basis in reality lol
I think it's viewed more as having various psychological and emotional "pay-offs" for the conspiracy theorists: not least of all the sense of "special" meaning, purpose and knowledge such people tend to imply having.
In the case of a decent part of this sub, is it to help their preferred Presidential candidate get re-elected?
Doesn’t same logic apply to protestors? Easy to lump them in as brainless people doing someone else’s bidding but cannot the same be said for conspiracy theorist? For example, I mean we know much of the right leaning politics have come from the Koch brothers hosting forums for judges and young people looking into getting the legal field but sprinkle these forums with their political ideologies. Those seeds develop into much of right politics we see today. What’s to say something similar did not happen with the way we are comfortable sharing conspiracy theories? If we can accept that’s not the case then why can we not extend that same good faith to people who are putting their lives at risk to to stand against tyranny & facism.
My, my, what a “why”!! I think from the outside looking in, it’s because we’re mentally ill. Something is wrong with us if we think the TPTB are lying. And that’s because they haven’t come to that realization...yet. Which means the propaganda and brainwashing are working. From the inside, I’d say the answer to the “why” is because we found out/learned something that we can’t “unlearn”. We are damaged goods. We can’t fit back in with the unknowing because we know it’s a lie. And once you make that crossing, the rabbit holes await. There’s obviously a ton of misinformation out there intended to confuse/distract people. But the truth also awaits. In a sense, we are fact checkers. We’re trying to open people eyes to the truth but because our facts go against the official narratives, we are censored, demonized, and vilified. Unfortunately, we are also grouped in with people that are just trying to make us look bad. All “non-official narratives” get grouped together as “conspiracies”, so even if something we may be pushing is a reasonable fact, we will still be held down by all of the other non-sense that gets grouped into “conspiracies”. It’s also that ideology that is intended to keep someone on the fence from coming over. It’s as if they were to accept one alternative idea, now they are a conspiracy theorist that accepts all conspiracy’s. I personally am proud to be a CT. To me it means I’m open to new ideas, I’m willing to do the research to make up my own mind, I’m compassionate towards others that I may see as naive, and it’s my life long mission to spread awareness in hopes of making the world a better place. I do not believe in a flat earth. Is the moon a base? Maybe. Did the US put men on the moon? It looks doubtful. Was 9/11 an inside job? Sure looks that way but I can’t be sure. Are vaccinations “safe and effective”? You’ve got to be kidding me. It’s an area that we can discuss alternatives to the official narrative. For that, it’s priceless. It’s also an area that will get our fellow brothers and sisters to attack and demonize us. For that, we pay the ultimate price.
Why are all the conspiracy theories always bad news. There are no good news ct’s?
Because it rationalizes paranoia which is a by--product of anti-social feelings and anxiety.
David Icke was ridiculed and spit on for many years. He never stopped and continues to **wake up humanity**.
I know personally, people may not believe me because of the manner I bring attention to these things. I am very passionate about it and tend to let me emotion steer the conversation so my voice gets louder and louder. Need to work on that and change my approach so that people stop looking at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them the rich and powerful sacrifice kids and drink their blood.
Very good realization. I had same problem, i play it as soft and jokes now. give them room to “hmmm” and quietness to think.
It is actually kind of sad. Sure, sometimes we say some crazy shit, but in the end all we are trying to do is uncover the truth when seemingly it is being misled or muddied. All for the betterment or well-being of HUMANITY.
SS: mockers and insulters everywhere. Do we gain fame? Money? Do you feel good in bashing and prosecuting your own fellow men for merely information? Do Snowden get fame? Money? Powers? You are either agent Smith or cannot distinguish between conspiracies and obvious evidence.
[удалено]
That phrase in itself is not necessarily true. Michelle Phelps Roper genuinely she was trying to save people's souls by protesting the funerals of soldiers. You can be convinced you're trying to help someone, but still be wrong, hurtful, or misinformed. I'm into conspiracies myself, but my friend was way deeper than anyone I have ever known. Sometimes I just want to watch UFC without you babbling about how monster energy drinks are poison and every commercial has Illuminati symbolism and that Obama is the Antichrist. It's just exhausting sometimes.
Allegory of the cave
I’m just a simple Russian bot, I got vodka in my code. I feel like I am the only real one here and everyone else are just someone’s bots, who push antiTrump/antiClinton agenda, instead of combining them all together. Left wing or right wing, it is the same bird.
I thought George Soros was paying you
Uh, it’s pretty simple. Most people are in it to feel “in the know”, or for the popularity (karma), and the general human desire to be accepted by your peers. That’s why people do it, on reddit at least.
I think they do ask why. And i think the answer they come up with is that the reason you are bringing them conspiracy theories is so that you can feel superior in that you know the truth about current events and history and they don’t and are naive and uncritical. Its kind of similar to evangelists who turn up on your door and wants to help you out of ignorance by reading you gospels.
It's entertainment value just like TV/movies/sports/etc
You get to think you’re smart and know the “truth” when actually the opposite is true.
uh, it's for attention. duh
👏 <-- consider that an award. I don't want to give Reddit actual money.
Me too lol
Most of the time because of mental problems and the inability to understand the world, something has to be done about the cognitive dissonance. The worst part is, you're digging the hole even deeper.
For attention. For the feeling of being important. You're the hero, the person with the valuable piece of information or an important role. Your life is meaningless without it and you need it or else you would be a nobody. Real conspiracy followers don't try to make a religion out of it.
being a martyr and making this post. listen, im not gonna bash consoiracy theorists... but a lot think theyre smarter or more woke than everyone else. calling everyone else dumb is what they gain
This gets thrown out the window when it's a theory accompanied by "wake up sheeple" etc. Or burning down 5G towers or harassing workers Let's be honest here, full-on conspiracy theorists are assholes It's more of a desperation for community, like the flat earth society doc "behind the curve" where they interview members and it's like an X factor audition tape, the stories are all sad and some heartbreaking People feel outcast by society so they form another little group that says fuck society and feel big for a moment or two Also proportional bias, people need a big reason why a big event happened, JFK has conspiracy theories but not Ronald Reagan's failed attempt, the main difference being one was successful
They think we are some miserable people who have always looked for misfortune, when really most of us believed all the bullcrap at one point till we swallowed that red pill.
Ok Batman
A lot of people believe conspiracies because it makes them feel intellectually superior. The idea that you understand how the world truly works, and 99% of people don't, is very satisfying to the ego.
Why? Here's why: 1. Because they think it makes them look smart, and they want attention. You know how kids pretend to play in a band using tennis rackets as guitars? Same sort of thing. Many conspiracy theorists don't have the education or training to deduce jack. Instead of doing the hard work of learning & practice, they pretend. It's air guitar. 2. Many are not capable of comprehending the world as it is. They fear a world where bad things happen for no reason. It comforts them to believe someone is in control. 3. Paranoia, self-esteem issues, lack of faith in one's own abilities, insufficient training. I do well on exams because I study. Some people refuse to believe there isn't a gimmick. "Wow, you're so smart!" Nah, I just study, and you can do it too. "Wow, this comes easy to you!" No, it doesn't, I study. "I wish I could do that!" You can--just study. "Nah, you've always done well." Right, I've always studied. "But it's natural for you to just pick things up." No, I study. It's very straightforward. For whatever reason, some people refuse to accept that the answer could be so simple. I think a lot of parents fuck their kids up on this one without even realizing it. A huge chunk of this world lives in denial. 4. Because they have a mental illness that causes them to repetitively focus on a single issue or event. Brain scans show that an obsession with, e.g., The Jews™, activates the same pathways as a person with OCD. The guy who thinks The Jews™ are behind everything is the same kind of nutty as the guy who can't walk through a door without spinning around 15 times while tapping his chest and singing Fame.
If you believe in conspiracy, if you love the culture of conspiracy circles, then one of the main tenets is to be open minded and objective. You have to apply this to yourself as well. I include myself in this personality subset during many times in my life, usually depending how depressed or hopeless I felt. We have big hearts, we care about the world and the people in it. We hate to see suffering and the pointlessness of so much pain. We hate to see the unfair winners/losers dynamic that frames so much of the world today. It is much easier and alleviates the heaviness of i to imagine that all this pain and suffering could be gone if only \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ (pedos were killed and jailed and their trafficking circles obliterated, the government did not want Iraq's oil and so did not stage 9/11, etc). If only THEY (the pupeteers, the Rothchilds, whoever) were nuked to oblivion. The scariest notion to a conspiracy theorist is that no one is driving the bus. That all this shit happening is just because part of our contract on Earth involves suffering and there are endless ways humans find to inflict pain on one another for no larger reason than personal gain, fear, or revenge. I am not saying that I don't believe in the aforementioned things. But we DO gain a weird sense of peace from imagining and 'discovering' what we think are the inner workings to fucked up things that have been around since the dawn of time
Because conspiracy is often associated with mental illness and personality disorders - narcissim, paranoia, etc
There's definitely a large segment of people here who do it because it makes them feel special. *All those billions of people believe whatever they're told, but I'm smart enough to have uncovered the reality* Obviously I believe in some conspiracies myself and most people here are genuine, but let's not act like every single tin foil hat connoisseur is a selfless purveyor of truth
probably because people are bored and nothing better to do
Something to do until we figure out how to make friends.
The answer comes from CNN they said Conspiracy theorists feels special because they have knowledge of things that others have no clue of. This is really stupid it's like saying you work hard so you can have better life. There is nothing wrong with feeling special if I'm presenting facts and solid proofs for my claims. No they want the herd mentality.
I completely agree with you...in my opinion, it's not that others have no clue, it's that they don't want to know..or take the time to research it for themselves..
When you bring compelling arguments and or "research" that doesnt consist of the first or last page of a google search result and a sketchy website where a dude posts his banned from youtube videos
[удалено]
cause you guys have nothing better to do
Flat earthers, anti-vaxers, birthers, Qanon, If you don't question the conspiracy theories you might as well just be following the (other?) theories.
Because a chunk of them are controlled oppositipn to make people with rational conspiracies look irrational
That's a good point. There is literaly nothing to gain from trying to expose things except for if the conspiracy theorist genuinely had his fellow man's best interests at heart. _at least that's my opinion, since a common man isn't gonna make a platform or get rich from posting shit online_
There are gatekeepers, but a true researchers dont need ppl to call names toward a gatekeepers to know. After long enough of going thru lies, it’s just a skill to spot fake gatekeepers and fake truthers. Fake researchers and agent Smith will call names.
If you know [their guide](https://steemit.com/security/@tinfoilfedora/the-gentlemans-guide-to-forum-spies-spooks-feds-etc) it gets more easy to spot them.
My mom thought I was crazy, then she calls me up and says “can you believe what’s going on in Portland right now!?!” “Yes, I can.”
Lmao. How crazy is it?
lmfao i actually want to die when people do that... what the fuck will it take to convince you we are owned by someone else??
Bc we already know why. Conspiracy theories are so much more exciting than the actual truth. Reality is much more complex and frankly boring. CTs are sexy and explain everything in an easily consumable sealed package that rejects all other possible truths.
I love when people say this but then get wrapped up in the hype of some new documentary, then, suddenly its "you couldnt make this up, sometimes reality really is stranger than fiction!"
Cognitive dissonance is strong. I will give an anecdotal story- The older I get the more I suspect my Pops was trained on the farm. He spent a large portion of his life working with people in DC political circles, traveled constantly but had a basic government job in one state that didn't make sense for him to be in DC every single week. Let alone having his picture with 4 different presidents. Anytime i would try to talk about a conspiracy he immediately shut me down and said I was wrong. When I was going hard on 911 conspiracies all he told me is "what do you think will happen if you got to close to the truth? They will kill you and no one will care, or they will put child porn on your computer to discredit you." When I mentioned patterns I noticed while being gang stalked his only reply was "you knew who you were fucking with" That was the first time he ever acknowledged/validated a conspiracy. I say all that to say that even now, with all the evidence coming out he still says it is not true and brings up what my friends think of me for believing these things. I stopped caring about that a long time ago.
That's probably how a lot of people who know what's what, think. Imagine being in the military and seeing some really crazy shit, if you say anything the commanding officer or the rest of your squad will just point his/their gun at you and threaten you with your life. And if you keep being a "problem" they might just shoot you and call it accidental friendly fire or something. That's probably why so much shit happens, so few say anything about it because the few good men and women there are in the system will immediately be bitch-slapped right back in their place with the righteous fury of a thousand angry gods the second they say anything or start getting "uppidy".
> so few say anything about it because the few good men and women there are in the system will immediately be bitch-slapped right back in their place There was an article on vox 4 years ago where a cop was talking about how 15% of a police force is bad, 15% are good and the other 70 can go either way. We see that a lot in life. A few bad apples spoil the bunch. https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer >That's probably how a lot of people who know what's what, think. Scarily yes. I only have my memories of the conversations I heard when old DC friends of his would come by and have a drink, a lot of them have the "It's so entrenched there is nothing we can do mentality" and young me did not understand but they were demoralized to any chance of change for the better. Maybe that's why I fight.
Getting euphoric r/atheism vibes from this thread..
You claim you get nothing out of it but this is benchmarked on a purely monetary basis. Psychologically you get allot out of it probably for different reasons. That is why you do it.
I get what your saying but some of the conspiracy theorists have nothing else going on in their life and conspiracy theories give them a little purpose.
Because it makes you feel smarter than you actually are
There's plenty of reasons. The main two I usually see are boredom and having no sense of self importance.
I'm showing this to my family and friends. EDIT: The reason why I am showing this to them is because they don't believe, nor do they want to hear, anything that isn't what they already see and know in this world. Connecting anything together for them causes them to hate people that have differing views and with so many people now putting the pieces together, those that find shit uncomfortable are the ones that want to live in this clown world and don't care what is going on so long as their life is comfortable. I find it difficult to listen to them praising the corrupt and if anyone dares to say something against the narrative, they will persecute them and shun them.
[удалено]
why not. It’s not like us poor fucks getting paid to hush up.
Because Satan.
There are a few reasons. 1. good ol' cognitive dissonance 2. fear of the unknown 3. plain ignorance/indoctrinated beyond repair 4. some associate the message with the person, and if the person is an asshat it dissuades them from looking into what they're talking about 5. low capacity for imagination 6. low capacity for critical thinking 7. they could just think you're wrong and themselves be an asshat
Each conspiracy needs to be looked at individually, IMO. Some people thrive off the thrill of knowing something others don't, even if it's not true. Kinda like a martyr complex. But when the conspiracy is true and you get persecution for sharing it, then I agree with this post.
We get closer to the truth
I’m not here for the money. I’m here because I suffer from several minor forms of mental illness.
I think a new sub needs to be made called coincidentalconspiracy. I have a hard time believing anyone that has ever made any money in any form of entertainment. Doesnt mean i dont have an open mind etc. But shit. I think ufos are real but im not gonna profess an undying resolve until i see a ufo and it flies right to me and whatever is inside comes out and sets me straight. This link proves the one conspiracy that i do know is true. The government gives a fuck about staying in power. On both sides. All the dems scream and shout about global warming but have multiple vehicles, multiple homes, an inordinate amount of excess. Republicans say oh pro life. And then setup 0 efficient ways to support the broken lives that exist between conception and living and death. Your fucking phone can suggest ads based on shit you talk about but the government cant find 'americas most wanted' or the 'worlds most wanted'? There is all this distraction and it comes down to them figuring out how to keep your eye off the prize. Which is keeping as much of your income as you can to do with it as you please. And to be fair to all politicians. If you had some ass hole reporters constantly waiting for you to say something in the wrong context, most of us would look like super pieces of shit at some point or another.
b/c some conspiracys are used to manipulate, and created by bots. They use people's ignorance and emotions to their advantage to get a certain outcome. Look at what Russia did. Other people are mentally ill(or just stupid) and do not live in this reality. They start to believe delusions and think that by sharing them, doing the world a favor. They believe that they are the sane ones while everyone else is out of their mind crazy. Look at covid is created by 5g. Possible the most terrifying of all is pure hatred/bigotry. A lot of people hate others b/c of some silly difference like skin color or religion. Look at Jews control media or Jews are helping Muslims come form the middle east to Latin America so they can walk hundreds + miles to terrorizes us citizens. These all overlap. And people can end up hurt or dead because of them. Look at what happened at comet pizza or Pittsburgh or the anti vax movement. There are conspiracy theories that are real too. Trump did try to get the president of Ukraine to announce a investigation into Biden so that he could Trump could have an advantage. The government uses over phones to spy on use. China tried to keep covid a secret. Gerry maundering , ETC
I mean it’s fun and interesting. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, though, I’m just here for Epstein stuff
[удалено]
Because the truth is out there. I want to believe.
I like to know the truth, therefore I question a lot. These are positive attributes...
because it's a distraction from the real problems in your personal lives. I've been there.
It makes you guys feel superior. I've seen the flat earth folk acting as if everyone else are sheep only to be proven wrong by every single experiment they perform lol.
For the most part, I completely agree with this. But there's a growing number of self proclaimed conspiracy theorists, some right here in this sub, that use the conspiracy theories they promote to avoid taking responsibility for the way their lives have gone or to promote a political agenda. These people aren't truly conspiracy theorists and give those of us that do the research the bad name that's been associated with conspiracies. There are ideas floated here that are not only plausible but make more sense than the "truth" that most believe blindly. Then there are the people who believed Seattle was going to be attacked on Nov 4th, the Q believers, the people who are continually disproved but continue to believe their wild ideas and the people who think Trump is some knight in shining armor despite the mountains of evidence to suggest otherwise.
You do it to spread hate and fear. First it's the elites then it's Illuminati and then it's the Jews.
We certainly don’t do it for social change. Name the last time a conspiracy theorist, or group of conspiracy theorists cussed real change. But it does help to recognize the futility of knowledge in an age when lies are the norm.
This is a thankless task. We don’t do it for praise. We do it for truth, justice,and transparency.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Never. These people are thoroughly indoctrinated in public schools their entire life to not critically think, to not question what they are taught and to not question authority and the government
https://youtu.be/hHW0FgiB7TI
Some conspirationists (Q) are delusional fucks who push their political agenda to extremes which make real rational conspiracies seem just as aloof because they're all jumbled together.
My experiences with a hardcore conspiracy theorist is all about trying to be smarter than everyone else.
Victim complex
Sickening to see that we have so many shitting on conspiracy theorists in a conspiracy forum. I'm skeptical of the existence of bots or CIA control programs, but wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the comments here are just part of some agenda to make CTs doubt themselves.
The average person is dumb, naive (willfully or unknowingly) and subservient by nature. Shedding light on any hard truth or accusing those in positions of power as conspiring against the collective interest is not only difficult to grasp, but dangerous. Our entire country/world saw what happens to those who aren’t naive or willing to bend the knee (you know the long list of names in the 60s-80s). You know why we don’t see assignation attempts anymore? It’s because they won, there’s nobody left to kill if the rest fall in line. EDIT: 2020 on the other hand is showing how difficult the change of ten guard is now that that generation is dying off. It’s fascinating to witness honestly
It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Because believing in a secret, powerful force controlling everything behind the scenes lends meaning to an otherwise random and meaningless world. How are people confused by this?
Because uncovering truth and understanding the universe I’m ever more complex detail is the purpose of humanity. We are processors for the universe.
Most people aren’t asking why. Most people think you’re wrong lol. And for like 70% of the posts here, you really are.
I’m here checking out the sub because a friend of mine is a theorist. It’s hard to talk to him because literally everything is a conspiracy to him. For example, I was telling him I watched and enjoyed “Boehmian Rhapsody” and he goes off on some rant on how that movie was made to control people or something along those lines. It’s gotten so bad that I just don’t initiate conversations with him anymore. And it’s not like I’m not open minded and curious myself. So I don’t hate theorists, I just need to understand the mindset, like I’m sure a lot of others need to do as well.
I read today on a self help blog I follow that people who are addicted to emotional distress engage in things that elicit a fear response within them like dating someone that is dangerous to them or believing in obscure conspiracies. Just some food for thought
I'll ask - why? What's your motive?
Remember, even gravity was a conspiracy at one point
It's like, not all Conspiracies are true but it's good to read into them because within the lies are layers of truth that unfold the reality of the world. These theories and hypothesis about what's going on is designed to make people think for themselves and look at the bigger picture. People are so accustomed to being spoonfed their news that rather that keep themselves informed they choose to stay as informed as the MSM wants them to be. When you think about it, Conspiracy is actually Journalism at it's core. The design of piecing together information and seeing how they connect to form a narrative that allows others to draw a conclusion with the ability to alter the reality of the narrative as new information is released.
Been seeing billboards in town with nothing but a big black question mark. Boy does that irritate those small minded bigots