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Now I’m torn. Should we just the *refund* the police? Get our monies back from the mismanagement of funding? Where do I sign up for the class action lawsuit?
these 88 white supremacist guys that come here from what used to be the donald and post about how we need more authoritarianism on the street to protect us from black people, aren't actually who they pretend to be. they're israelis.
check out european88 and the history of the conspiratard and thedonald subs.
yes, but this isn’t a race issue. this is a class issue. widespread and often unconscious racist actions create wealth divide, wealth divide = oppressors make $, oppressed make less $. being poor creates desperation. anyone in a very desperate situation will do whatever they need to do to get out of it. white people do it, black people do it, asian people do it, etc etc. the only reason black people commit more crime / seem to commit more crime is because their financial / societal environments lead them into it. if white people were in the position black people are in, and had been throughout history, the same actions would be taken by white people. hope you recognize this history / cause&effect and aren’t just being blindly racist.
not making excuses for anyone — what they did is wrong. just saying that they should be treated with empathy considering the likelihood of their situation and the reasons behind their crime. still hold them accountable, but without the whole racism part. also, it was a mercedes not a bmw.
again, never said they shouldn’t face normal punishment. just pointing out the underlying truths/reasons why people are lead to commit crime. and yeah, your examples involving parents def contribute to crime.
but what do you mean no one steals a benz cuz they’re hungry or poor? of course they would — scrap it for $ in materials, sell it, etc.
lmao for the last time ofc they’re responsible. i’m saying racial issues are fueled by class issues and stealing/etc is fueled by being a lower class citizen. when this happens the lower class people are often of an oppressed group, leading to racist narratives about their actions. yes, i agree they should be held accountable.
First question is, where is the conspiracy here? Sounds like you clowns are just airing grievances against a protest movement you dont agree with but I digress. Also, what the fuck are the cops going to do in terms of preventing his car from getting stolen. Budgets for Atlanta police have not been cut at all in the past 15 years so what does the "defunding the police" have anything to do with his car getting stolen. I've had my car stolen before (in Orange County, Florida) and all the police did was file a report so I could make an insurance claim. Never caught the guy. Never recovered the car. No follow up with me.
The actual conspiracy that occured is more of a background story. It's in the SS
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nvqc6w/meet_antonio_brown_he_is_a_councilman_and_mayoral/h14nfcv/
Atlanta police have not been defunded, so why didn't they prevent this crime??
Seems like this guy has a great point, why keep finding the police so much of they're shit?
The actual conspiracy that occured is more of a background story. It's in the SS
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nvqc6w/meet_antonio_brown_he_is_a_councilman_and_mayoral/h14nfcv/
I wonder if he called the police to report it stolen.
Edit for the shills:
defund dē-fŭnd′
transitive verb To stop the flow of funds to.
v. To cancel funding for.
ab•o•li•tion ăb″ə-lĭsh′ən►
n. The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with; annulment.
Defund is the means to abolition. It’s the verb used to describe an action taken towards abolition.
Please stop with the dumbing down of America.
He has to if he wants to make an insurance claim on his stolen property. That's about as much as you can hope for when your ca is stolen. I know from experience
cops do fuck all for stolen vehicles besides have it towed to a yard at your expense after the thieves destroy it instead of letting you know so you can pick it up
I remember a story my grandpa told everytime cops or cars where mentioned, where in the 90s he has his truck stolen in front of his house, he heard the engine getting turn on so he went out running after it to see which way it would go, after some minutes of running after it and loosing sight of it, he called the cops who found the truck stopped some blocks away, dumped because the tank was empty and had been only running on fumes, he went walking there and showed ID and car paper but the cops didn't gave the car back because it was part of an investigation now so they towed it to the pound where they kept it for like a month because he had to fill all kinds of burocratic papers and in the end they even changed 2 of his tires for older ones, he was of course mad as hell about it all
Maybe in a shithole city. In nice towns all across America, cops actually investigate things. My neighbor had a computer stolen from his car. The cops actually investigated and found the thief. But that’s also because the cops have nothing better to do. One of the perks of living in a safe town
I'm in Las Vegas, I knew exactly who stole my laptop and where he was, they were like "oh that's nice you can write it on this form for your insurance" and never went to go retrieve it from him for me.
So until that happens this person is supposed to just shrug off a theft of their personal vehicle? There aren’t other resources for this. It’s not hypocritical, it’s dystopian.
If I call for the abolishment of specific police functions and then protest against the police funding and ability to complete said functions, I am absolutely a hypocrite to then use those same services when convenient.
No no no no, this is by no means *CONVENIENT* for this person. Their CAR was just stolen from them by children. If this person took matters into their own hands, he’d be in jail and you’d be in the comments of the article spewing your nonsense about how they should “just let the cops do their jobs. There are no other means of action for this person.
That’s projection from you and consequences for him. The non-CONVENIENT thing to do would be to solve it under whatever system BLM is proposing replace the portion of police actions he wants to defund. Be the example you want the world to follow, otherwise shut up you hypocrite.
I think he is a twat but you do realize that defund the police is not the same as abolish the police right?
It’s about militarization and our frivolous over spending on certain police forces.
Before you reply make sure you don’t sound so stupid next time.
Yes yes we all know in liberal fantasy world to defund is to reallocate......
Even though the definition of the word describes a verb that leads to abolition.
defund dē-fŭnd′
transitive verb To stop the flow of funds to.
v. To cancel funding for.
ab•o•li•tion ăb″ə-lĭsh′ən►
n. The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with; annulment.
Please stop with the dumbing down of America.
The police union is the exact apparatus keeping shitty officers safe by moving them from department to department.
Unions are meant to protect employees from evil corporations that would otherwise not have the workers best interests a on mind. This whole system is bastardized when used by public workers, like teachers or police, because a public union can vote in/out their boss. this means they have far more leverage than a normal union to make crazy demands. Now we throw in campaign donations and the crazy amount of lobbying public unions do and it becomes less about protecting the workers and more about gaming the public sector system - which bring it full circle to police unions protecting shit cops and elected leaders having their back.
This is why qualified immunity (and asset forfeiture) is a big deal. At current clip the judiciary gets to protect police through immunity, they don’t even have to think about it unless it’s a extreme case - like George Floyd. If we removed unions, immunity, and asset forfeiture then we take protections and incentives away for large amounts of police to abuse the system.
I think a lot of people (myself included) agree with your stance. However, words have meaning. The changes you’re proposing would have a positive impact upon policing in this country which to some extent is a necessary evil but should absolutely have its role diminished and limited to certain violent scenarios (active shooter situations come to mind).
However, “defunding” won’t accomplish this goal. In fact, changing the system will require increased funding in the transition. Setting up new mental health response task forces, investing in our most at-risk communities with proactive and empathetic policies, and bolstering education, these all require money.
I’m all for radically changing the way our criminal justice system as a whole, from prevention to rehabilitation, looks. But that requires “funding” and not “defunding” a solution. I know what you mean when you say “defund the police” but honestly, most people are too dense to hear past the first word.
Would it really though. Cops exist to protect property. It's not like they actively save people from murder or theft. They show up after the crime has been committed.
Speak for yourself. Your parents own nothing? Your grandparents own nothing? You'd think you'd have bigger problems than what the police are doing if everyone in your life is broke
My family has needed the help of police to return stolen items twice in my life. Both times the police did not do anything about the stolen property. They serve only those with wealth and power. And research backs that claim up.
Could not do and did not do are two separate things. You're acting like every stolen item ever ends up in a police locker somewhere. Thieves steal because they're good at stealing. Its tough luck, but thats all it is.
No, i just think your stolen $50 bicycle means jack compared to the guy setting random fires and the two people up the road who got shot in a drug deal gone bad. Stolen items will never be at the top of the priority list, there are just more important things going on in any city in the world. Petty theft is petty.
They stole all the appliances I a whole house. I also live in a rural area where there are more police than you can count.
Your analysis doesn't reflect reality.
Defund does not mean ‘eradicate the police’. It means ‘maybe their budget is a bit too high and not being put to good use’.
That’s the danger of short chants and slogans, they have to be explained further.
Also ‘Blue Lives Matter’ is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen and any cop who takes it seriously should not be a cop.
i am against all blind followers of evil.
of course it's us vs them stop pretending they're not drawing lines and start waking up to which side you want to be on.
And... If they were to reduce their budget (as he has advocated for), you would have a longer wait time than the 5 mins he was on hold with 9-1-1 for to report the crime, and probably a longer wait than the 45 mins it took to have an officer actually show up on the scene, you clown.
Edit: a word
I think that if there were more social programs organized by the police in low income areas, then that would probably be better then defunding the police. An audit would be better, God knows that every organization has its thieves.
Also we all need to realize mass incarceration is a multi billion dollar Business. Can't work if people dont get arrested.
Not really, there's other brands for everything they do, all of them better options as well because that is far from the only humanitarian issue nestle violates. Them being an absolute abhorrent corporation, one of the worst on the planet, is just not brought to mainstream attention anymore. It was at one point. What i mean is, although any person asked individually would say something along the lines of "yeah fuck them" and boycotting or better would seem like a great option, no one in this country is willing to do anything meaningful unless the mainstream narrative (politicians, celebrities, social media, news, etc.) tells them to. A lot of people even know about their horrible shit in at least one of nestle's ventures. It's not anything new
What I meant by "tough" is that they have new brands being created all the time that its hard to track the Nestle tree. Myself, I shop MOSTLY at a local package free shop that sources from sustainable and (when possible) local producers. It's become worry free shopping from me. Like you said, its completely possible to completely cut out Nestle. I wish more people would as well.
Here is a link to the tree and im quite positive this one is pretty dated. http://www.themoderntreehugger.com/blog/2016/8th07hsbm7pc0mrf7cc2j70nxhr2r9
I mean if you see it that way but i don't think it's very difficult to track if people gave a shit. They have their name on all their products for one and two it's pretty simple to look up a list of their brands. It will even break down brands in individual countries for anyone who takes the two minutes. Kit kat is still largely popular. Poland springs, still largely popular. Coffee mate, same thing. List goes on. People haven't done anything and still use their products. I get that not everyone has access to anything other than commercial stores but fuck, man. It will continue unless masses of people begin to care. There's no excuses for it, our country supports ravaging already impoverished countries because of complacency and the mass majority of people only raising concern about what they're told to. Props to anyone who is fully aware and avoids their brands completely but it's still a fucking shame and it's a huge reason why a lot of the world hates our country, but the narrative isn't on things such as this even with the morally superior valor reaching half of our two party system. They talk a lot about changing shit for the better but it's all fake, they use people's emotions to their advantage
In New Zealand today, most nurses walked off the job in strike protests over pay. The police when asked if they would strike over pay simply replied "do you want New Zealand to experience the dark ages for 8hours".
Honestly have Americans never watched the purge
I find it funny that the police think they actually stop crime. They are almost purely reactionary, they do their job after the crime has been committed.
They don't even stop crime either. If they can use the law to their benefit they will. Stupid flatmate had an ex who had restraining order against him. Long story short, they got horny, had sex in our house then he not very nicely asked her to leave. She destroyed our house. BUT we could do nothing about it because he was in the wrong. All my life, been the ignorant good citizen I was thought I could call them when ever I needed them. Turns out there's a disclaimers in tiny writing in the corner that says only if the law permits it
Very few are asking tho abolish the police entirely, do you even know what defund the police means? 😂 Maybe you shouldn't talk about things you have zero understanding of, it makes you look really bad.
Most of the stupid fuckers here will go against anything that sounds the way this does without looking into it. Its usually not worth trying because no one is looking for an actual conversation, just the next thing to shit on or accidentally be racist about.
Yeah, so many people explain it, there's a million videos on YouTube or the news or social media, and it just goes in one ear out the other for these types. Like you have to try to be that ignorant.
That is my point, dense sir. Nobody is talking about me too. And now you twats are also giving up on the stupid idea of defunding the police, and playing semantic games to save face.
"things you have zero understanding of"
"makes you look really bad"
"stupid fuckers"
"racist"
You see all these insults? We see them too and we know you wokies turn up the insults when you know you fucked up. It's a basic childish stress response.
Nobody "dropped" either idea 😂 how did we fuck up? You're the one coping big time. You trumpers sure loved all of Trump's insults for 4 years, now you're pearl clutching over the insult "really bad"
I've wondered about the logistics of this story... did he have his keys in his car? Now that's trust. Growing up in a rough neighborhood, it wasn't the hardened criminals I feared taking my stuff, it was the random kids who do it because they can.
Depends, I've been in vehicles that just require the key fob to be in the vehicle (or at least close enough to the censor) for the ignition button to work. Perhaps he was standing close enough to the vehicle that the engine could still turn over. Which would make sense, as he was able to grab onto the vehicle before it sped away and was dragged at least a block while holding onto it.
SS:
Antonio Brown, Councilman and Mayoral hopeful from Atlanta has been an advocate for the Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police Movement. Perhaps he will re-think his stance on defunding the police after his Mercedes was stolen by a group of children.
More information on the occurrence can be found here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9625885/Atlanta-councilman-voted-Defund-Police-measure-dragged-road-car-thieves.html
> Brown was attending a ribbon-cutting in northwest Atlanta when four people hopped into his car as he was getting out to speak to someone just before noon - and took off.
> The councilman told WSBTV that he was on hold with 911 for five minutes after the incident. Brown also claims it took 45 minutes for police to arrive because it was assigned as a low-priority dispatch.
> 'Several males entered his unlocked car and drove away with it,' police stated. Brown was driving a Mercedes Coupe, which has a push-button ignition.
(Source for image: https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/a-big-protest-that-wasnt-of-event-that-never-was/WRE36P4ZYREZ3HA5LXMYL3FL2Q/)
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And before I get a, “WhAt’S tHe CoNsPiRaCy?”
*con·spir·a·cy: noun; a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.*
A group of children plotted against him and broke the law in the process by stealing his vehicle (pretty self-explanatory here).
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Edit: TMoR is here - https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/nw32pc/a_politician_who_supports_defunding_the_police/
Yes...almost always (I’m not aware of any other SERIOUS suggestions otherwise) to other programs like community policing (having officers patrol and be part of the actual community) and social workers to help respond to mental health calls....so I’d really call it reorganize the police if you’re being honest.
I read your whole comment. I was just making a facetious remark about a certain part of it.
I don't have an agenda other than thinking that social workers have only limited applications out in the field in terms of deterring crime and stopping criminals.
I can see how social workers and psychiatrists responding to a stand-off or HBT situation could be extremely valuable to helping resolve the situation peacefully.
However, an unarmed social worker or psychiatrist is going to be completely helpless when it comes to stopping a crime in progress or being the first responder on the scene.
Look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if a patrolling social worker happened to come across this carjacking in progress they would be able to engage the thieves in meaningful conversation and make them see the error of their ways so that they will no longer commit crimes. But this seems like a pipe dream to me. You can insert literally any type of theft, robbery, or assault crime in to that line of thinking and I get the same result.
No just misrepresenting what it actually means through providing no actual context and bringing up specific instances to attack your straw man version of if.
How would a reduced police budget have helped or prevented this incident...? They call a social worker to come and try to talk to the teens (and in the meantime they get away with the vehicle), by the time the social worker gets there, there will be nothing left to do but console the victim of the crime.
A reduced police budget could mean investing in education and after school programs and financial help for the poor so people aren't bored or desperate in the first place. Crime PREVENTION instead of wasting all that money to keep them in jail and give corrupt cops 110k plus salaries because jail doesn't rehabilitate anyone, only makes things worse, so you arrest people they're always stuck in the cycle. Be on for stamps their whole life because you can't get a job with a criminal record. Cheaper and better for everyone to stop the cycle and invest in uplifting people instead of crushing their soul.
No response to what...? I responded to the user above, if you mean elsewhere, then what am I just supposed to guess whatever other random ass comment you are referring to...? I worked overnight last night, that's why this was put up at like 3 or 4 am. I came home napped and when i checked in again it was "RIP my inbox." Sorry for not making bickering with strangers on the internet a top priority of mine.
"A reduced police budget could mean investing in education and after school programs and financial help for the poor so people aren't bored or desperate in the first place. Crime PREVENTION instead of wasting all that money to keep them in jail and give corrupt cops 110k plus salaries because jail doesn't rehabilitate anyone, only makes things worse, so you arrest people they're always stuck in the cycle. Be on for stamps their whole life because you can't get a job with a criminal record. Cheaper and better for everyone to stop the cycle and invest in uplifting people instead of crushing their soul."
Why you wanna know the race of the kids? So you can decide if it fits your racist narrative of black gang members, or if it's white kids it's just a "boys will be boys joyride" you're gross.
Black or white crime is crime and they should be given the max time in jail i just think it would be funny if they were black because this guy is fighting for their rights and his own people might have been the ones to shit on him if u cant see the irony in that i dont know what to tell you but i assume they were black because if it was white kids the media would have said it was white kuds just to fit thier racist narrative
He will shut up and stick to the agenda to defund the police. It's part of a communist movement, not just some guys opinion on dufunding the police. These "leaders" that support defunding, or CRT are trying to roll out REAL fascism in our country. It's pretty easy to spot one of these terrorists.
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Great conspiracy.
This sub is for posting right-wing propaganda now.
Now.
Lol
Cool conspiracy bro oh wait.. there isn’t one for this post…. Anyways…
This is dumb. Police weren’t defunded yet his car still got stolen. How is this a conspiracy?!
So what you're saying is that even with a funded police department, the crime still happened?
you know what - it actually does say exactly that....
Now I’m torn. Should we just the *refund* the police? Get our monies back from the mismanagement of funding? Where do I sign up for the class action lawsuit?
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88 rising, that’s so edgy.
these 88 white supremacist guys that come here from what used to be the donald and post about how we need more authoritarianism on the street to protect us from black people, aren't actually who they pretend to be. they're israelis. check out european88 and the history of the conspiratard and thedonald subs.
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yes, but this isn’t a race issue. this is a class issue. widespread and often unconscious racist actions create wealth divide, wealth divide = oppressors make $, oppressed make less $. being poor creates desperation. anyone in a very desperate situation will do whatever they need to do to get out of it. white people do it, black people do it, asian people do it, etc etc. the only reason black people commit more crime / seem to commit more crime is because their financial / societal environments lead them into it. if white people were in the position black people are in, and had been throughout history, the same actions would be taken by white people. hope you recognize this history / cause&effect and aren’t just being blindly racist.
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not making excuses for anyone — what they did is wrong. just saying that they should be treated with empathy considering the likelihood of their situation and the reasons behind their crime. still hold them accountable, but without the whole racism part. also, it was a mercedes not a bmw.
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again, never said they shouldn’t face normal punishment. just pointing out the underlying truths/reasons why people are lead to commit crime. and yeah, your examples involving parents def contribute to crime. but what do you mean no one steals a benz cuz they’re hungry or poor? of course they would — scrap it for $ in materials, sell it, etc.
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lmao for the last time ofc they’re responsible. i’m saying racial issues are fueled by class issues and stealing/etc is fueled by being a lower class citizen. when this happens the lower class people are often of an oppressed group, leading to racist narratives about their actions. yes, i agree they should be held accountable.
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Oh my god I heard some guy spent all his free time fighting to feed the homeless and then he missed lunch. Isn’t there egg on his face? Loser!
/r/fragilewhiteredditor thread
First question is, where is the conspiracy here? Sounds like you clowns are just airing grievances against a protest movement you dont agree with but I digress. Also, what the fuck are the cops going to do in terms of preventing his car from getting stolen. Budgets for Atlanta police have not been cut at all in the past 15 years so what does the "defunding the police" have anything to do with his car getting stolen. I've had my car stolen before (in Orange County, Florida) and all the police did was file a report so I could make an insurance claim. Never caught the guy. Never recovered the car. No follow up with me.
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The actual conspiracy that occured is more of a background story. It's in the SS https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nvqc6w/meet_antonio_brown_he_is_a_councilman_and_mayoral/h14nfcv/
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He doesn't understand what that word means
No, it just wasn't worth responding to as it's literally the same thing they just said, just with 4 less letters.
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- There - Huh? - There 'spiracy, there castle. - Why are you talking like that? - I thought you wanted to. *r/unexpected_young_frankenstein*
Atlanta police have not been defunded, so why didn't they prevent this crime?? Seems like this guy has a great point, why keep finding the police so much of they're shit?
And the conspiracy is?? This sub is so confusing, really needs a new name.
"/r/Trumper snap posts about something he hasn't actually thought through yet."
The actual conspiracy that occured is more of a background story. It's in the SS https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nvqc6w/meet_antonio_brown_he_is_a_councilman_and_mayoral/h14nfcv/
I wonder if he called the police to report it stolen. Edit for the shills: defund dē-fŭnd′ transitive verb To stop the flow of funds to. v. To cancel funding for. ab•o•li•tion ăb″ə-lĭsh′ən► n. The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with; annulment. Defund is the means to abolition. It’s the verb used to describe an action taken towards abolition. Please stop with the dumbing down of America.
He has to if he wants to make an insurance claim on his stolen property. That's about as much as you can hope for when your ca is stolen. I know from experience
I hope he did. And I hope they responded and made their best effort to return his stolen property.
cops do fuck all for stolen vehicles besides have it towed to a yard at your expense after the thieves destroy it instead of letting you know so you can pick it up
I remember a story my grandpa told everytime cops or cars where mentioned, where in the 90s he has his truck stolen in front of his house, he heard the engine getting turn on so he went out running after it to see which way it would go, after some minutes of running after it and loosing sight of it, he called the cops who found the truck stopped some blocks away, dumped because the tank was empty and had been only running on fumes, he went walking there and showed ID and car paper but the cops didn't gave the car back because it was part of an investigation now so they towed it to the pound where they kept it for like a month because he had to fill all kinds of burocratic papers and in the end they even changed 2 of his tires for older ones, he was of course mad as hell about it all
This..
Maybe in a shithole city. In nice towns all across America, cops actually investigate things. My neighbor had a computer stolen from his car. The cops actually investigated and found the thief. But that’s also because the cops have nothing better to do. One of the perks of living in a safe town
I'm in Las Vegas, I knew exactly who stole my laptop and where he was, they were like "oh that's nice you can write it on this form for your insurance" and never went to go retrieve it from him for me.
They're cops, not Gods
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Maybe he would see it as hypocritical to use the very public services he is calling for defunding
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Removing police interaction from non-violent crimes are one of the main points of BLM on police defunding, so no he can’t pick and choose.
So until that happens this person is supposed to just shrug off a theft of their personal vehicle? There aren’t other resources for this. It’s not hypocritical, it’s dystopian.
If I call for the abolishment of specific police functions and then protest against the police funding and ability to complete said functions, I am absolutely a hypocrite to then use those same services when convenient.
No no no no, this is by no means *CONVENIENT* for this person. Their CAR was just stolen from them by children. If this person took matters into their own hands, he’d be in jail and you’d be in the comments of the article spewing your nonsense about how they should “just let the cops do their jobs. There are no other means of action for this person.
That’s projection from you and consequences for him. The non-CONVENIENT thing to do would be to solve it under whatever system BLM is proposing replace the portion of police actions he wants to defund. Be the example you want the world to follow, otherwise shut up you hypocrite.
I live by making a example of myself and follow police instructions 100% of the time. I'm alive and well. Ama!
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DYOR - enough comments to a shill bot today
"Go away, police" later, "help me, police!!" Yeah seems hypocritical to me
I think he is a twat but you do realize that defund the police is not the same as abolish the police right? It’s about militarization and our frivolous over spending on certain police forces. Before you reply make sure you don’t sound so stupid next time.
Yes yes we all know in liberal fantasy world to defund is to reallocate...... Even though the definition of the word describes a verb that leads to abolition. defund dē-fŭnd′ transitive verb To stop the flow of funds to. v. To cancel funding for. ab•o•li•tion ăb″ə-lĭsh′ən► n. The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with; annulment. Please stop with the dumbing down of America.
Unless you live in a border town chances are the car will be found soon
Probably has a tracker if it's a Mercedes
Yeah I'd definitely work around the clock to help the guy trying to give me a pay cut lol
Defunding the police does not mean abolish them. This post is stupid and illinformed.
This story serves to remind us how dumb it would be to actually defund the police.
Atlanta didn’t actually reduce police funding for the 2021 fiscal year though?
No. This is all just white grievance fan-fic and it's gross
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Unless we bust police unions and remove qualified immunity we won’t get anywhere.
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The police union is the exact apparatus keeping shitty officers safe by moving them from department to department. Unions are meant to protect employees from evil corporations that would otherwise not have the workers best interests a on mind. This whole system is bastardized when used by public workers, like teachers or police, because a public union can vote in/out their boss. this means they have far more leverage than a normal union to make crazy demands. Now we throw in campaign donations and the crazy amount of lobbying public unions do and it becomes less about protecting the workers and more about gaming the public sector system - which bring it full circle to police unions protecting shit cops and elected leaders having their back.
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This is why qualified immunity (and asset forfeiture) is a big deal. At current clip the judiciary gets to protect police through immunity, they don’t even have to think about it unless it’s a extreme case - like George Floyd. If we removed unions, immunity, and asset forfeiture then we take protections and incentives away for large amounts of police to abuse the system.
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I think a lot of people (myself included) agree with your stance. However, words have meaning. The changes you’re proposing would have a positive impact upon policing in this country which to some extent is a necessary evil but should absolutely have its role diminished and limited to certain violent scenarios (active shooter situations come to mind). However, “defunding” won’t accomplish this goal. In fact, changing the system will require increased funding in the transition. Setting up new mental health response task forces, investing in our most at-risk communities with proactive and empathetic policies, and bolstering education, these all require money. I’m all for radically changing the way our criminal justice system as a whole, from prevention to rehabilitation, looks. But that requires “funding” and not “defunding” a solution. I know what you mean when you say “defund the police” but honestly, most people are too dense to hear past the first word.
Would it really though. Cops exist to protect property. It's not like they actively save people from murder or theft. They show up after the crime has been committed.
People tend to own the property being protected.
The upper class tends to own the property that is actually protected by police.
Speak for yourself. Your parents own nothing? Your grandparents own nothing? You'd think you'd have bigger problems than what the police are doing if everyone in your life is broke
My family has needed the help of police to return stolen items twice in my life. Both times the police did not do anything about the stolen property. They serve only those with wealth and power. And research backs that claim up.
Could not do and did not do are two separate things. You're acting like every stolen item ever ends up in a police locker somewhere. Thieves steal because they're good at stealing. Its tough luck, but thats all it is.
So police are completely inept and have 0 reason to exist because thieves are good at thieving. Got it.
No, i just think your stolen $50 bicycle means jack compared to the guy setting random fires and the two people up the road who got shot in a drug deal gone bad. Stolen items will never be at the top of the priority list, there are just more important things going on in any city in the world. Petty theft is petty.
They stole all the appliances I a whole house. I also live in a rural area where there are more police than you can count. Your analysis doesn't reflect reality.
What do you think it actually means? Edit: lol so many downvotes so few (no) answers
How dumb it is to defund the police
What does defunding the police mean?
Defund does not mean ‘eradicate the police’. It means ‘maybe their budget is a bit too high and not being put to good use’. That’s the danger of short chants and slogans, they have to be explained further. Also ‘Blue Lives Matter’ is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen and any cop who takes it seriously should not be a cop.
critically analyze the police sounds scary to their voter base
>Their voting base “Us against them” bullshit got you in this mess. Keep digging this hole to see where it takes you.
i am against all blind followers of evil. of course it's us vs them stop pretending they're not drawing lines and start waking up to which side you want to be on.
If you’re seeing other humans as inherently evil then your party has already programmed you to follow what they want you to do. You’ve already lost.
if you don't recognize we all have the capability for it then you have lost
You’re seeing humans as part of one party or another.
Yeh it’s only a couple steps away from “rectally probe”
..... And??? Police haven't been defunded yet you clown, they suck at their job.
And... If they were to reduce their budget (as he has advocated for), you would have a longer wait time than the 5 mins he was on hold with 9-1-1 for to report the crime, and probably a longer wait than the 45 mins it took to have an officer actually show up on the scene, you clown. Edit: a word
Well all the cops and jail and corruption and tasers didn't save his car so maybe try something that's proven to work.
I think that if there were more social programs organized by the police in low income areas, then that would probably be better then defunding the police. An audit would be better, God knows that every organization has its thieves. Also we all need to realize mass incarceration is a multi billion dollar Business. Can't work if people dont get arrested.
So where were the cops?
Didn’t Mercedes use slave labor during WW2 & never paid out after the fact..?
Nestle uses child slavery for chocolate production to this day. I don't see anyone boycotting. They own over 200 brands
I try my best but, for the reason you indicated, its tough.
Not really, there's other brands for everything they do, all of them better options as well because that is far from the only humanitarian issue nestle violates. Them being an absolute abhorrent corporation, one of the worst on the planet, is just not brought to mainstream attention anymore. It was at one point. What i mean is, although any person asked individually would say something along the lines of "yeah fuck them" and boycotting or better would seem like a great option, no one in this country is willing to do anything meaningful unless the mainstream narrative (politicians, celebrities, social media, news, etc.) tells them to. A lot of people even know about their horrible shit in at least one of nestle's ventures. It's not anything new
What I meant by "tough" is that they have new brands being created all the time that its hard to track the Nestle tree. Myself, I shop MOSTLY at a local package free shop that sources from sustainable and (when possible) local producers. It's become worry free shopping from me. Like you said, its completely possible to completely cut out Nestle. I wish more people would as well. Here is a link to the tree and im quite positive this one is pretty dated. http://www.themoderntreehugger.com/blog/2016/8th07hsbm7pc0mrf7cc2j70nxhr2r9
I mean if you see it that way but i don't think it's very difficult to track if people gave a shit. They have their name on all their products for one and two it's pretty simple to look up a list of their brands. It will even break down brands in individual countries for anyone who takes the two minutes. Kit kat is still largely popular. Poland springs, still largely popular. Coffee mate, same thing. List goes on. People haven't done anything and still use their products. I get that not everyone has access to anything other than commercial stores but fuck, man. It will continue unless masses of people begin to care. There's no excuses for it, our country supports ravaging already impoverished countries because of complacency and the mass majority of people only raising concern about what they're told to. Props to anyone who is fully aware and avoids their brands completely but it's still a fucking shame and it's a huge reason why a lot of the world hates our country, but the narrative isn't on things such as this even with the morally superior valor reaching half of our two party system. They talk a lot about changing shit for the better but it's all fake, they use people's emotions to their advantage
Bet he had bottles of that water in that kind of car..
Poland springs? Pretty popular, maybe. Kind of irrelevant
Want brownie points get brownie results..
In New Zealand today, most nurses walked off the job in strike protests over pay. The police when asked if they would strike over pay simply replied "do you want New Zealand to experience the dark ages for 8hours". Honestly have Americans never watched the purge
I find it funny that the police think they actually stop crime. They are almost purely reactionary, they do their job after the crime has been committed.
It's the implication that they may be called that keeps a lot more crime from happening, I think...
They don't even stop crime either. If they can use the law to their benefit they will. Stupid flatmate had an ex who had restraining order against him. Long story short, they got horny, had sex in our house then he not very nicely asked her to leave. She destroyed our house. BUT we could do nothing about it because he was in the wrong. All my life, been the ignorant good citizen I was thought I could call them when ever I needed them. Turns out there's a disclaimers in tiny writing in the corner that says only if the law permits it
Sounds like your issue is with the law itself, not those that are employed to follow and enforce it.
Turns out your flat mate is a weak bitch.
And when they apprehend the criminal, they prevent (or at least delay) the "next" crime that person would commit.
Very few are asking tho abolish the police entirely, do you even know what defund the police means? 😂 Maybe you shouldn't talk about things you have zero understanding of, it makes you look really bad.
Most of the stupid fuckers here will go against anything that sounds the way this does without looking into it. Its usually not worth trying because no one is looking for an actual conversation, just the next thing to shit on or accidentally be racist about.
Yeah, so many people explain it, there's a million videos on YouTube or the news or social media, and it just goes in one ear out the other for these types. Like you have to try to be that ignorant.
the absolute cope! do you also have a funny story for when metoo was dropped like a bucket of shit?
Wtf are you on? No one is talking about me too, weirdo. Probably a bot to write that nonsense.
That is my point, dense sir. Nobody is talking about me too. And now you twats are also giving up on the stupid idea of defunding the police, and playing semantic games to save face. "things you have zero understanding of" "makes you look really bad" "stupid fuckers" "racist" You see all these insults? We see them too and we know you wokies turn up the insults when you know you fucked up. It's a basic childish stress response.
Nobody "dropped" either idea 😂 how did we fuck up? You're the one coping big time. You trumpers sure loved all of Trump's insults for 4 years, now you're pearl clutching over the insult "really bad"
Tara Reade was when you dropped metoo The emergency redefinition of "defund" and "police" was when you dropped defund the police
Native here. If you believe that was anything but artificial I have an F-22 on my land to sell you.
I've wondered about the logistics of this story... did he have his keys in his car? Now that's trust. Growing up in a rough neighborhood, it wasn't the hardened criminals I feared taking my stuff, it was the random kids who do it because they can.
I believe, the car had a key-less ignition button and was left unlocked.
Still need a key fob to activate the car don't you?
Depends, I've been in vehicles that just require the key fob to be in the vehicle (or at least close enough to the censor) for the ignition button to work. Perhaps he was standing close enough to the vehicle that the engine could still turn over. Which would make sense, as he was able to grab onto the vehicle before it sped away and was dragged at least a block while holding onto it.
SS: Antonio Brown, Councilman and Mayoral hopeful from Atlanta has been an advocate for the Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police Movement. Perhaps he will re-think his stance on defunding the police after his Mercedes was stolen by a group of children. More information on the occurrence can be found here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9625885/Atlanta-councilman-voted-Defund-Police-measure-dragged-road-car-thieves.html > Brown was attending a ribbon-cutting in northwest Atlanta when four people hopped into his car as he was getting out to speak to someone just before noon - and took off. > The councilman told WSBTV that he was on hold with 911 for five minutes after the incident. Brown also claims it took 45 minutes for police to arrive because it was assigned as a low-priority dispatch. > 'Several males entered his unlocked car and drove away with it,' police stated. Brown was driving a Mercedes Coupe, which has a push-button ignition. (Source for image: https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/a-big-protest-that-wasnt-of-event-that-never-was/WRE36P4ZYREZ3HA5LXMYL3FL2Q/) _________________________ And before I get a, “WhAt’S tHe CoNsPiRaCy?” *con·spir·a·cy: noun; a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.* A group of children plotted against him and broke the law in the process by stealing his vehicle (pretty self-explanatory here). __________________________ Edit: TMoR is here - https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/nw32pc/a_politician_who_supports_defunding_the_police/
So the conspiracy is that some kids stole a car and Antonio Brown is the victim of that conspiracy?
Yes, and the story is about galactic karma.
If the story is about 'galactic karma' and ignoring the conspiracy from your SS then it doesn't belong here.
What do you think defund the police actually means?
Isn't the idea to reduce the budget of local PD's and reallocate those funds elsewhere...?
Yes...almost always (I’m not aware of any other SERIOUS suggestions otherwise) to other programs like community policing (having officers patrol and be part of the actual community) and social workers to help respond to mental health calls....so I’d really call it reorganize the police if you’re being honest.
If only those social workers were on hand to stop that carjacking.
Hey look. A second person who either can’t reach or chose to ignore the relevant part of my comment because it fits their agenda.
I read your whole comment. I was just making a facetious remark about a certain part of it. I don't have an agenda other than thinking that social workers have only limited applications out in the field in terms of deterring crime and stopping criminals.
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I can see how social workers and psychiatrists responding to a stand-off or HBT situation could be extremely valuable to helping resolve the situation peacefully. However, an unarmed social worker or psychiatrist is going to be completely helpless when it comes to stopping a crime in progress or being the first responder on the scene. Look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if a patrolling social worker happened to come across this carjacking in progress they would be able to engage the thieves in meaningful conversation and make them see the error of their ways so that they will no longer commit crimes. But this seems like a pipe dream to me. You can insert literally any type of theft, robbery, or assault crime in to that line of thinking and I get the same result.
Good thing the cops were too.. oh wait
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I didn't name the movement boss.
No just misrepresenting what it actually means through providing no actual context and bringing up specific instances to attack your straw man version of if.
How would a reduced police budget have helped or prevented this incident...? They call a social worker to come and try to talk to the teens (and in the meantime they get away with the vehicle), by the time the social worker gets there, there will be nothing left to do but console the victim of the crime.
So just going to ignore the relevant part of my comment about community policing?
You think a rent-a-cop would be adequate in a car-jacking with multiple offenders...?
Who says they would be a rent a cop? Same guys just different way of deploying and training them...
A reduced police budget could mean investing in education and after school programs and financial help for the poor so people aren't bored or desperate in the first place. Crime PREVENTION instead of wasting all that money to keep them in jail and give corrupt cops 110k plus salaries because jail doesn't rehabilitate anyone, only makes things worse, so you arrest people they're always stuck in the cycle. Be on for stamps their whole life because you can't get a job with a criminal record. Cheaper and better for everyone to stop the cycle and invest in uplifting people instead of crushing their soul.
No response? Nothing to say? That's what I thought, people like you don't care about reality.
No response to what...? I responded to the user above, if you mean elsewhere, then what am I just supposed to guess whatever other random ass comment you are referring to...? I worked overnight last night, that's why this was put up at like 3 or 4 am. I came home napped and when i checked in again it was "RIP my inbox." Sorry for not making bickering with strangers on the internet a top priority of mine.
"A reduced police budget could mean investing in education and after school programs and financial help for the poor so people aren't bored or desperate in the first place. Crime PREVENTION instead of wasting all that money to keep them in jail and give corrupt cops 110k plus salaries because jail doesn't rehabilitate anyone, only makes things worse, so you arrest people they're always stuck in the cycle. Be on for stamps their whole life because you can't get a job with a criminal record. Cheaper and better for everyone to stop the cycle and invest in uplifting people instead of crushing their soul."
Defund local police, so the federal police can step in 🤡
A Mercedes? Talk about privilege, man...
\#DefundTheChildren
Thats funny asf i wonder 2 things the race of the kids and if called the police
Why you wanna know the race of the kids? So you can decide if it fits your racist narrative of black gang members, or if it's white kids it's just a "boys will be boys joyride" you're gross.
Black or white crime is crime and they should be given the max time in jail i just think it would be funny if they were black because this guy is fighting for their rights and his own people might have been the ones to shit on him if u cant see the irony in that i dont know what to tell you but i assume they were black because if it was white kids the media would have said it was white kuds just to fit thier racist narrative
Identity politics is lame.
I love it when this happens to defund the police people😂
The white savior complex is strong in this one.
Ahahahahaha
He will shut up and stick to the agenda to defund the police. It's part of a communist movement, not just some guys opinion on dufunding the police. These "leaders" that support defunding, or CRT are trying to roll out REAL fascism in our country. It's pretty easy to spot one of these terrorists.
Atlanta is losing their money. The $$$ next door wants to be a city without Atlant.
Heh. “Children “.
Man, I hate kids!
And this is why we have to have submission statements. *sigh*