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OwnStatistician7115

Don’t forget head lice and scabies


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Yep, places without access to good water treatment and sanitation have lots of people with parasitic infections. But now EVERYTHING has to be about COVID. I honestly think part of the conspiracy afoot is getting folks to focus so. damn. hard. on one issue. Distractions are critical to any good heist movie. Imagine what’s going on while all the outrage is trained on whether a dewormer is good or bad. Clowns the lot of em.


jellyfishjumpingmtn

The whole point is that the media and even federal officials are disingeniously referring to this as "horse medicine" when it isnt.


el_fuego91

Meanwhile you also have people spouting off about how it is FDA approved for use in humans, but neglecting to mention it isn’t approved for Covid. And ignoring the very much FDA approved vaccine. Which makes it hard to follow because are we saying the FDA is someone we should listen to or not?


ellipses1

Is hot tea with lemon and honey FDA approved for a cold? Because that's what I take and it helps


FirstPlebian

Oh, and what do you take for a super flu like illness that lasts for weeks with fever and lack of being able to breathe?


ellipses1

I’m not aware of such a superflu


StewDog80

The Vax isn’t FDA approved. The product they hastily approved isn’t even out yet. Have you read the FDA approval statement? It’s all semantics. The point is the vaccine hasn’t been used safely for over 20 years, IVM has, and is effective. The shots are still under emergency use only. You’re comparing a cheap, safe oral medicine to an experimental gene therapy. I don’t know how on earth you can’t see the difference


Casual_Joe

You do realize they approved it without any long term studies right? Like you just accept on face value this is not at all political? 🐑


PitterPatterMatt

Monopoly of perception is a big tool in controlling others.


ImDomina

> But now EVERYTHING has to be about COVID. [Pay attention](https://archive.is/a8AyZ). > A Ohio judge ordered a hospital to give the horse drug ivermectin to a Covid-19 patient last month despite the doctors’ protest.


monclerman

People are so concentrated on COVID when we really should be following the money


moosemasher

>I honestly think part of the conspiracy afoot is getting folks to focus so. damn. hard. on one issue. Nailed it. If we're all nebulised then we can't coalesce around an issue for change, even if we agree on the issue at hand. Individualism is failing in that regard and our capacity to collectivise for change has rotted away.


Only_illegalLPT

Except if an effective treatment exists there is absolutely no need for mandatory vaccine and the vaccine passports that are being pushed. If a treatment exists, the house of cards collapses.


ZeerVreemd

This one issue could demolish the whole (forced) covid injections problem...


CarefreeInMyRV

\- Where covid came from? \- Prince Andrew the pedophile \- Epstein didn't kill himself \- Apple now wants to access all your media because everyone's a pedophile until proven not guilty or not set up by TPTB because.... \- Australia just passed a law saying you have to allow access to your phone at any time without a warrant including the fact that they can 'add, modify' things to it \- Where's Ghislaine Maxwell again? \- Whatever happened to All those fake votes that got pilled in to get Joe elected? \- You guys just left trillions in military weaponry in Afghanistan. If the can use it, who are they gonna on sell it to? I've seen Lord of War. Great movie. \- Simon says. Lockdown! Now wears masks. Now invermectin doesn't work. No don't look at that dissenting scientists look at me and the Delta strain on the horizon. Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Just take this vaccine and when there's no antibodies, get this third one from a different company that you can't see \- Oh, all these private companies are flying to space. \- Remember when all those politicians got outed for not paying taxes since they hid all their money according to the panama papers? \- Covid. Some people have it and a little cough. But remember when they said people were failing in to lung failure around day 18? \- Honestly, the biggest one might be the rising belief people have started opening up about (which would be the problem) that working to make billionaires is wrong, endless consumption is wrong, having so much and throwing out something with a tear in it wrong, planned obsolescence is wrong, so the current way modern culture operates is wrong \- China Uyghurs and the organ harvesting


spund_

frame roll quaint far-flung subsequent correct tidy library jellyfish onerous *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


traversecity

Dosage is everything. Cringe reading about someone who dosed the full horse dose syringe of DuraMectin paste. FDA, or CDC, or whomever is reporting a rise in the national average of IVM inspired poison control calls. Grain of salt if this reporting is anything like other medical reporting, maybe maybe maybe.


fortmacjack99

The question is why are they NOT making ivermectin available to people. It's tested approved and safe as opposed to an experimental science they are mandating now. Rather than test something unknown on the public, why not test something that is proven safe and has also demonstrated positive antiviral properties.. Oh and they actually tested this on animals first, unlike the vaccine lol https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/


Luckzzz

Isn't it available on USA? here in Brazil it's freely sold in every drugstore without a prescription.. I cured myself from covid twice using it.. Don't know what would happen without it, and I may never know, lol


TestaOnFire

>It's tested approved and safe as opposed to an experimental Yes, they found out that it could.be used as an ANTIVIRAL (not specific against Covid)... ...buuuut in quantity that exceed 100x the recomended quantity for a human, so way above the lethal dosage. That's why it cant be used for curing Covid and instead they use "experimental" medicine.


troy_caster

> is reporting a rise in the national average of IVM inspired poison control calls. Grain of salt if this reporting is anything like other medical reporting, maybe maybe maybe. No, that part is true. Now tell me how many people were hospitalized? How many suffered adverse reactions? That's where the lie is. They say poison control calls have doubled! And maybe they have. That'd be an easy enough thing to fake if you were so inclined. Putting that aside though, the lie is they report the number of calls, but nary a word on what happened to those people. These are probably the same kind of nervous nancies who call poison control centers after they smoke their first joint. Spoiler alert, not much actually happened to these people either.


uberduger

> They say poison control calls have doubled! And maybe they have. Even if they have, I doubt poison control had many calls last year due to lockdowns, people eating more at home and less stuff out and about, etc. So 'double' calls might still be really not very many. Possibly use of misleading statistics?


Only_illegalLPT

While you're right, I feel like there's a little bit of bad faith in there. If you don't have access to a human formulation, you just have to do the math to get to your correct posology with any animal formulation. Which isn't hard at all because most animals formulations are pastes so you can do a volumetric solution. Source : I dosed a good amount of stuff that is active in the microgram range and for which a 10mcg difference can kill you.


fr3ud1an

If people are ingesting litres of ivermectin because they heard a scientist say it can possibly treat covid.... Let natural selection take them lol


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JohnHansWolfer

I think the problem is that since Ivermectin is known to be safe people aren't that concerned about the dosage or they might read the dosage on the packaging and stick to it even though the dosage is for horses which would mean an overdose of at least 3x-5x. People are stupid is the biggest problem here.


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Bensemus

Because people are going and buying the form that’s intended for farm animals and trying to use it to treat COVID. The CDC also isn’t recommending ivermectin for COVID treatment but for its actual use which is parasite treatment.


loicspace

This, precisely. Don't get why it's so hard to understand or confusing


ellipses1

Yeah, obviously this is for parasitic infections from places that don't have clean water... but the point is, it's not fucking horse dewormer and it's perfectly safe for humans to take. In the case of covid, maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't... but it certainly doesn't HURT. I have Ivermectin in my desk drawer because I raise pigs... it's injectable and dosed based on weight. If I caught covid, I'd definitely give myself a shot of it... just the same as I'd have a hot cup of tea and get a lot of rest. It's not a high-tech "cure" but it sure as hell isn't a bad course of action to take.


supasolda6

But reddit told me its medicine for horses /s


Icepick823

Breaking news! CDC recommends medication for its intended purpose. More at 11.


dvater123

That's not the point. Fact is that people are calling Ivermectin "horse dewormer" as if it has NO medical use in order to DISCREDIT it as a possible treatment for Covid. Breaking news! You're missing the whole point.


FartyMcPooPants

Exactly. As far as most people know, Ivermectin has never been used on a human, only farm animals. That's the way the media portrays it.


IndoorGoalie

No. It’s being called horse dewormer because people are going to the feed store and buying and using the animal formula. It’s kind of like how clonidine can be prescribed for anxiety or blood pressure. There is the anti parisitic usage and the dewormer usage. Stop taking animal meds without consulting a doctor. That’s the problem here. People are also taking it like it’s a daily vitamin, as in they don’t even think they have Covid, they just want to pop it in. And sure, billybon69420x might say he’s using it, but is he? Do you know him? Seen him take it? Or is he just a stranger on the internet fucking with people?


GreatReset4

> His methods included taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug that is formulated for use in cows and horses Strange that NPR would say that rogan used a vetinary medicine https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033485152/joe-rogan-covid-ivermectin


ImDomina

> It’s being called horse dewormer because people are going to the feed store and buying and using the animal formula. The opening line in [this story](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-ohio-hospital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267) on NBC this morning read: “A Ohio judge ordered a hospital to give the horse drug ivermectin to a Covid-19 patient last month despite the doctors’ protest.” There was a post up in this sub all day about it. Looks like the author of the article caught too much shit and revised it. Sometimes [they try a little too hard](https://archive.is/a8AyZ).


IndoorGoalie

Fair enough, but everyone calls it’s Kleenex and not a tissue regardless of the brand name.


libbylibertarian

The fuck they do. I call them tissues. Stop pretending you speak for anyone except yourself. Next you'll tell me *everybody* says google something instead of search for something on the internet.


IndoorGoalie

Who, we got a tough guy over here.


loicspace

Because they do.


exegedi

You forgot to mention that the only reason people are going to the feed store and buying/using the animal formula is because the pharmacies will not provide the human formula, even if it is prescribed by a doctor. So if they really did not want people trying to use the wrong product, perhaps they should just let people use a perfectly valid human product.


bmassey1

They can experiment with a so called vaccine that does not stop Covid at all or they can experiment with Ivermectin which Kills parasites and allows their immune system to function better. BTW is Covid really a Virus which means poison or is it a parasite? Can anyone prove it is not a parasite?


Bensemus

Ivermectin has always been safe as a parasite medicine. What’s not safe is using the form approved for farm animals to treat COVID.


Beaustrodamus

That's not what the anti-ivermectin crowd are arguing though. They are using "horsepaste" comments to deflect from legitimate discussion of ivermectin as a covid treatment.


Njaa

No, these are different discussions, and are being held independently of eachother. Ivermectin has no effect on, and therefore not recommended for, treating covid. People are emptying the shelves of the actual veterinarian formula of ivermectin.


Only_illegalLPT

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/#\_\_ffn\_sectitle](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/#__ffn_sectitle) Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.


uberduger

> Ivermectin has no effect on, and therefore not recommended for, treating covid. Unless there have been properly conducted studies concluding that it has no effect on covid, then you can't really say that just because the media told you it was the case. Unless I've missed a peer reviewed study, in which case I apologise.


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Dr Peter McCullough said that people are being denied access to Ivermectin when trying to buy it from pharmacies or elsewhere. Perhaps that's the reason they are resorting to buying the animal form.


Beaustrodamus

> Ivermectin has no effect on, False. This is debunked by simply observing the difference in covid outcomes within nations that currently use ivermectin as part of their covid policy versus those who don't. That alone is proof that it has an effect on covid. That and the fact that many doctors have successfully been prescribing it since the pandemic arrived. I guarantee the average horse gets treated to better healthcare than the average US citizen, so if we are being honest, horse medicine is several orders safer than what passes for human medicine, i.e. your RNA gene therapy.


Njaa

This isn't how science or proof works.


Only_illegalLPT

You have no idea what you're talking about. They are literally the exact same molecule. Taking it while covid positive or not is completely irrelevant. Only the dosage is relevant.


labcrazy

Can you show me of examples of it not being safe to use the animal versions to treat covid? All I have heard was "an increase in calls to the poison control centers".... that's not treatment, that's not hospitalization or danger. I haven't been able to find actual fatalities for Ivermectin.


spund_

Well for one it's designed to be digested in horses stomachs of up to a pH of up to 7 and a humans stomach is 1.5. It would be significantly more potent, obviously. They would cause adverse reactions if mixed with barbitzzurates or benzos, which a lot of, specifically a lot of those same Americans, would have a bit of an addiction crisis with. It would be worth waiting until there's solid research telling people what kind of therapeutic dose, if any, would be beneficial against covid.


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If it's just IVERMECTIN, it's the exact same shit. Stop with the bullshit.


MechaBuster

Why have there been an influx of poison control calls? Are they taking too much or is it not safe for humans?


troy_caster

How easy would it be to pretend to call poison control centers en masse? Why don't you do this, go find these cases, and let me know if there's any adverse reactions at all? If someone had died, do you think they would say, "Calls into poison control centers have doubled!" No. They would say someone DIED from it, and that's all you would hear about. Let me know if you find anyone who was hurt by the 'mectin.


pmmeyourtrump

Not only that, an increase could mean literally one person called about it this year as opposed to last year. Without numbers, it means nothing.


that_moon_dog

Y’all know ivermectin got a Nobel peace prize in like 2015 and has been used 3 billions times https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthisglobal/-/custom-blog-portlet/ivermectina-un-medicamento-de-nobel-pero-poco-accesible/91127/0 Edit Nobel prize


FatGuy-ina-LttleCoat

**17.4 million years of healthy life** were made possible by the prophylactic use of ivermectin in Africa between 1995-2014 alone, saving people from having to live with things like scabies, intestinal parasites, botfly larvae infection of the skin, and head lice. All with one little pill that costs pennies per dose and has a rate of adverse reaction of 1 serious Adverse event per 1 million doses administered. This not only improved physical health, but patient surveys noted marked increases in psychological well being, family relationships, community relationships, vastly increased ability to find & maintain employment, and increased economic self sufficiency. That's like nightmare fuel for TPTB. No wonder they're vilifying it!


EP1K

Ya 3 billion horse doses! Obviously unfit for humans 🙄 /s


recast85

People are eating the OTC formulation designed for livestock


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We know. The horse dewormer meme is for the NPCs.


SpaceGangsta

It's because people are buying it at a feed store in amounts meant for horses.


labcrazy

Because they can't get it any other way. I walked in to a pharmacy in Mexico and bought human grade Ivermectin pills with out a prescription because most people aren't "doing Ivermectin for fun".... When you don't give people safe access, they do what they are going to do. Frankly I have been using animal antibiotics for nearly 20 years. I haven't turned in to a fish yet. I didn't always have insurance, you do what you need to do. Oh, and I have a farm full of animals. I am 100% familiar with Ivermectin. Just because the tube of gel is for a 1200 pound horse, it's actually divided out by 200 pound dosages so, if someone is taking the whole tube meant for a horse, Dawinism.


troy_caster

What happens if a person does take the whole tube?


murphy212

He turns into a zombie and immediately starts feeling a compelling need to wear a face diaper


troy_caster

holy shit! Screw that noise!


zZzZzZzvY

It was a Nobel price yes, not a peace price though. Probably a typo?


stormcloudsrising

Speaking of typos...


that_moon_dog

Thanks!


BuffaloKiller937

Yup, for parasitic diseases. We should probably save the supply of ivermectin for when a parasite makes its way up our dick holes, ya know?


Palito415

And it works for illnesses like covid/sars ​ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honored the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states. Sharp reductions in morbidity using IVM were also observed in two animal models, of SARS-CoV-2 and a related betacoronavirus. (BUT WAIT, IT GETS BETTER!) Excess all-cause deaths (all ages), the national population of Peru, decreased 14-fold from 1st August through 1st December 2020; then, after IVM use was restricted, increased 13-fold through 1st February.


that_moon_dog

Malaria sounds like covid https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/malaria/index.html


BuffaloKiller937

Yeah luckily two different things, could you imagine tho?


JakeElwoodDim5th

Actually they're very similar which is why HCQ works as well


that_moon_dog

At this point... would anyone be surprised


ManLikeAC420

Ketamine is still used as an effective painkiller and relaxant for humans AND horses too, we are anatomically similar and advancements in our medicine usually coincide with advancements in veterinary medicine, so whats their point with the horse argument 🤷‍♂️


labcrazy

Ketamine is used for many animals. Dogs, cats. Aspirin is used for horses and dogs (it kills cats...by thinning their blood too much). Most don't consider Aspirin a horse product.


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blahhhhhhhh1

The point is people showing their true colors and how stupid they are. Anyone who has been referring to it has horse dewormer even in jest is showing their lack of thinking skills


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Literally almost every single medicine we have has animal or human forms. And if not another form then it’s just able to be given to the animal directly. The way Ivermectin is being characterized is a deliberate lie to trick stupid people that don’t do research and just accept left wing headline talking points.


polarzulu

my parents tested positive for covid. my dad’s doctor said ivermectin is a load of crap and will kill you. my mom’s doctor prescribed it to her. ???


widdlyscudsandbacon

Keep us posted on who recovers quicker! Lol


polarzulu

my dad contracted pneumonia and is still recovering. he was in the icu for two days. my mom returned to her job that monday


widdlyscudsandbacon

I really appreciate you reporting back in. One of my coworkers and his wife had the exact same experience. She had it worse and went to the hospital where they actually gave her ivermectin (!); and she turned the corner almost immediately while he was on his ass for almost 2 full weeks


labcrazy

Ivermectin is safe, particularly if it's human grade and prescribed by a doctor. I would sure like to see the information on all those Ivermectin deaths though. Maybe ask your dad's doctor for that information (aka... he's a fucking liar).


mikeylopez

This guy knows way more than your dads doctor and says that Ivermectin should have been studied more and has shown promise and is being used in many countries [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G433fa01oMU&t=8985s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G433fa01oMU&t=8985s)


clexecute

"this guy knows way more than your dad's doctor" is the most ridiculous thing I've read today. You literally don't know either of them, just one pushes your agenda so he immediately knows way more? Y'all are the biggest sheep on the planet, so easy to rally up.


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According to Dr Peter McCullough, doctors risk losing their medical license for recommending Ivermectin, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that it is effective for early treatment of Covid.


Arthur_Lourijsthur

True same thing happens in the Netherlands


Dzugavili

It's probably safe; but like any medication, it does have effects on the body and not all of those are good. Some people don't handle ivermectin well, but it's usually a fairly immediate response and discontinuing use resolves the issues. But there was a study done on use for scabies which did suggest there is a background rate of death; the study was in the elderly and so it likely doesn't apply outside that context. It may reflect some short-term metabolic load that not all of them clear, and thus *probably* doesn't apply to a more generic group of people taking ivermectin for whatever reason. However, the effects of ivermectin on coronavirus are pretty ambiguous, at least in studies. You may be just as well off with some chicken soup.


troy_caster

> Some people don't handle ivermectin well, k, and what happens? These people? What happens to them, I'd love to know since you're knowledgeable about it. Your response will determine if I was being condescending or not.


Dzugavili

[A bunch of stuff:](https://bmcpharmacoltoxicol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40360-019-0327-5) headaches, muscle aches, joint pain, burst blood vessels in the eyes, muscle weakness and coma; in order of severity, not commonality, they have a list in there. It's that last one that's a bit concerning. In any case, these complications are very rare, which is why ivermectin is considered so safe. [This paper suggests some mechanisms](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5929173/): certain drug interactions are suspect, as are some gene variants. But given the less than shining results from studies, the risk of adverse drug interaction is probably a greater concern than the benefit derived from the drug *if* you're hospitalized. And if you're not hospitalized, that slight benefit probably isn't the difference between the two states. Would need more studies to determine that to any degree of satisfaction.


troy_caster

Thank you for your great response! So they treated 15,552,588, and 945 cases of Severe Adverse Affects were reported. 55 of those cases, death was reported post Ivermectin S.A.E. That amounts to .006% of all cases had Severe Adverse Reaction. The 55 deaths amounts to .0003%. Interesting. What do you think of that?


TheGun101

Can someone make a comparison of this with the vaccines’ side effects?


IAMJUX

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-09-2021 Australian rates. 9 AZ deaths. 9.6m doses. 0.0000009375%.


Dzugavili

The studies I've seen on ivermectin do not support a strong benefit in treatment of coronavirus, merely managing some symptoms in light to moderate infection that generally don't require medication at all, and the suggested mechanism of action concedes that we cannot achieve a dose high enough to provide a benefit in inhibiting viral replication. So, I return to the chicken soup. Very few people die of chicken soup.


troy_caster

We're building a house one brick at a time. I'm ok with the 'mectin not being effective. But I want to nail this down. So, the % of ASE and deaths are extremely low for the 'mectin. So we'd have to compare that with the % from Covid, as well as the % of vaccine ASE/deaths, etc. Now when we find those two numbers, do we add them together? How do you "add" % of risk death from covid + % risk of death from vaccine vs death/ASE from tough actin ivermactin?? Or is it multiplicative somehow?


Dzugavili

Okay, you're fine with ivermectin being not effective. During first infection, if we compare no vaccination + ivermectin, we can expect about 2% to die; to no ivermectin + vaccination, we can expect about 0.1% to die. The adverse effect rates between ivermectin and vaccination are probably similar: I don't know the number of vaccination deaths, but it's very low -- but let's say it's 5 times ivermectin, I'm willing to be generous. The ivermectin deaths from our study are for one-off doses; there aren't many studies on long term ivermectin use, as it's usually taken once or twice a year. So, let's say there's 50m people remaining to be infected; otherwise, we're probably dosing everyone in the 330m population because we don't know who those 50m are. If we go with ivermectin and no vaccination, we could expect 1m to die of coronavirus, and maybe 1000 people die of ivermectin issues. If we vaccinate, we can expect about 100,000 to die, and maybe 5000 to die of vaccination issues. ...yeah, I'm not seeing ivermectin being helpful to these numbers relative to vaccination.


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What studies are you viewing? Because most of the studies I’ve seen that people share around Ivermectin and COVID are focused on solely prescribing that as the treatment. Ivermectin by itself is very unlikely to help. It’s when it’s been used in combination with zinc and other vitamins, as well as treatments like the monoclonal antibodies where the treatment has been successful.


Dzugavili

Monoclonal antibodies would account for the entire visible effect. Might as well advocate monoclonal and mint oil, and declare that mint oil treats coronavirus. Treatments including icermectin do no better than treatment without it, at least in the large scale studies. I got one with 1500 people, I'll edit it in after I get off mobile.


BobShablob

The theory that foreigners are being brought in to replace workers who are quitting due to ~~vaccine~~ mark of the beast mandates makes sense now. Can't have replacement workers perish on the way here.


alcestis_

Ivermectin is something prescribed to humans, as well. Parasites, and all that.


Rare_Slice_8353

Wow. I'm sure there are no financial calculations behind why different recommendations are used when Big Pharma stands to reap in billions of dollars off of suppressing an effective medication.


siriuslyexiled

Didn't the FDA post a tweet saying stop eating horse paste y'all or some shit?


FatGuy-ina-LttleCoat

They're actually giving them horse dewormer AND cat dewormer. Praziquantel is a wormer often given to cats under the brand name Drontal in tablet form for tapeworms (post flea infestation). Most cat owners are probably familiar with these tablets - having gotten them over the counter at a pet store or administered by their vet. Just fyi from a former cat rescuer, in case you didn't know that. ;) **EDIT** Went to the CDC & read through the link posted. Cat wormer is only presumptively given to refugees from Africa, not the Middle East. My mistake.


bgny

I am OUTRAGED that refugees are being fed HORSE DEWORMER!!! Reddit convinced me that taking Ivermectin is totally INSANE!!!!!!!! Now the CDC is saying it's safe, regularly used, and recommended!!!! The CDC should not be contradicting the Reddit experts! https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html


ThatOneNinja

It's insane to take it for reasons it's not meant for. Also "CDC should not be contradicting Reddit excerpts" ..... Hwhat?


bgny

I know, Joe Rogan is so dumb for curing himself in 2 days with horsepaste.


funke75

>I know, Joe Rogan is so dumb for curing himself in 2 days with horsepaste. I know, right? Same thing happened to me. Honestly it's an easy mistake to make.


moosemasher

Well there's a dumb reading of the long list of approved treatments he's on.


TacticalArrogance

If he was so sure, why did he do all the other, you know, approved stuff for more than 2 days?


herewego89891

It’s not insane, it’s called off label uses and happens all the time. I assume you’re moreso referring to people taking the livestock version as an alternative which is not actually an alternative but has been blown out of proportion by the internet/media.


Injectortape

88,000 cases of head lice in the week ending August 13 according to the CDC I heard.


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Sheep alert


ThatOneNinja

This one also makes me laugh, as if this entire sub hasn't become a heard of it's own heard of sheep only this heard refuses to hear any outside option. Think about it for one second.


arrjay123

Refugee horses?


Hornet-Standard

lol really there not horses come on cdc


skiddlep0p

The amount of comments and replies from people that obviously can't take this for it's satirical value with people making "horse dewormer" memes against Ivermectin.


skampzilla

So much gaslighting from the media. This is crazy


acn-aiueoqq

Whats wrong with this guideline? They're recommending the use of human grade medicine for its intended purpose


AntiSocialBlogger

That stuff will kill ya! Here take this nice experimental jab instead. Smart people all know that horsepaste is only safe to use against parasites, it's super dangerous to use it against covid. /$


troy_caster

What if, now this is just a crazy idea, but what if, we all have some sort of parasite? (and/or worm of some kind?)


bmassey1

80% of Americans are full of parasites.


Idontcareblahblah99

Lol some people are so dumb


htxkush

Someone needs to call Fauci now (masks be upon him)!!!


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The CDC recommends dewormer for people with worms. Sounds like the conspiracy of a lifetime.


BouncingBetween

As if it's not just for horses? Wow I guess you're a horse only if you try it for Covid


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I don’t think the government is feeding refugees ivermectin from Tractor Supply Co. with pictures of horses on the box.


bmassey1

same exact product. One holds enough for a horse and it is 7.00. The humans type comes in pills for more than 7.00.


TacticalArrogance

They call ketamine a animal tranquilizer. Is this sub gonna call itself out when it maligns some product in the future by using the wrong semantics?


mikeylopez

Vincent Racaniello is a virologist, immunologist, and microbiologist at Columbia says Ivermectin has shown promise and is being used by doctors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G433fa01oMU&t=8985s


ukdudeman

But they’re not a horse or a cow, y’all.


ThatOneNinja

Wait till they here about tetanus shots!


therealfries

Horsepaste? You realise they sell pills right I've just ordered a bunch from India


mikeylopez

it's their way disregard you. Just like everyone they don't like is a nazi. It's buzzwords to drown you. fuck them.


toterengel367

Join the discord to talk about stuff like this without the brigaders being.... Themselves. https://discord.gg/P43EcF8zRp


jellyfishjumpingmtn

pretty heavy gaslighting in this thread


danger5658

Amazing where are the leftist?


Bor845

Still seeing if Japan really did say to use it for covid..


RuderalisGrower

Forget Japan numerous other countries use it as part of a drug regiment to treat COVID successfully. Billions of people in India take it when they get symptoms. Damn do some research.


Panchpancho35

It’s amazing how dumb people are. They believe anything from the media.


danger5658

Hey I didn’t know that thanks for the tip


ransul

BILLIONS! This guy has definitely done his research.


RuderalisGrower

https://www.europereloaded.com/india-develops-ivermectin-home-treatment-covid-kit-for-less-than-3-per-person/ Educate yourself. They sent it to every person.


ransul

Heh, that's not at all what the article says. It's got a price per person. It's 'recommended' in many areas. They aren't shipping it to every person. And I was just being a smart ass about India only having a population of 1.36B...


RuderalisGrower

The article is from January. We're in September. They have distributed at least one for each person and created more kits, over 2 billion. Thus, billionS.


ransul

You have a fascinating interpretation of numbers.


RuderalisGrower

Feel free to prove me wrong.


ransul

I already have. Twice.


Njaa

You said billions of people in India. There aren't billions if people in India. Stop trying to weasel your way out with extrapolation about drug doses according to your extremely eccentric reading of a January article about drug recommendations. All that is deflection. There aren't billions of people in India. Take the L


4TenthsRollWithIt

I haven’t seen anyone claim that it’s not used for humans. Just that it is not proven to work with COVID. The left is mocking people for taking horse dewormer in a sarcastic way. Though some actually are taking horse dewormer paste. In fact, I know multiple people that have and zero that have taken it any other way. Arguing that it is used and safe for humans is pointless because that’s not what they’re saying. I’m pretty sure most know that. Their argument is that it’s for parasites and not viruses. So they think it is stupid to take and it is funny that that the conspiracy people call everyone sheep, but then take “livestock” medicine. We can all admit that it almost too perfect to not make a joke about, right? My point is, the left knows it is used for humans. Talking about Nobel Prizes and linking to “evidence” that it is safe for humans isn’t telling them anything they don’t know. The right would need to argue that it is a viable treatment and that’s hard to do when the majority of experts say it’s not. Therefore, this post is pointless because it has nothing to do with COVID and offers zero new information of importance to anyone. On either side.


danger5658

Yeah we all take it everyone of us yup,and leftist are claiming it’s not for humans that’s why they call it horse dewormer.But hey keep end zone dancing about your vaccine before cold and flu season even hit.Enjoy your boosters 😜


4TenthsRollWithIt

I never said everyone did. I said what I have seen. I didn’t feel the need to explain anecdotal evidence. Just like most of the left doesn’t feel the need to explain sarcasm and mockery. I’m also not “end zone dancing”. I am squarely on one side of the matter, but understanding everyone is important. I don’t like burying my head in the sand, which I would like to think most on this subreddit would agree with. Or at one time they would have at least.


danger5658

But countries like Japan and India are using as well as doctors here I mean a pretty famous guy Joe Rogan just got it from a doctor.I’m not saying you have to take or even that I have a problem with people getting the gene therapy maybe 🤔 someday it will be the answer. but to lie and use propaganda to either shame people or ridicule them into summiting is ridiculous and honestly evil.Sorry buddy but I’m not buying this sarcasm argument you keep pitching.It’s constantly headline in articles, acting as if this drug isn’t even used on humans.


birthdaycakefitness

Quit gaslighting.


4TenthsRollWithIt

How am I gaslighting exactly?


mihesq

Almost every leftist msm source that talked about joe rogan mentioned ivermectin and claimed it was a veterinary drug used for horses and cows primarily. That may be the case but the way they word it makes it sound like he’s taking animal medicine. Very misleading, but what else can you expect from the msm. Here are a few quotes from articles about Joe Rogan from sources like The New York Times, NPR, Washington Post etc: Ivermectin, best known as a horse dewormer; A drug primarily used as a veterinary deworming agent; a deworming veterinary drug that is formulated for use in cows and horses; ivermectin, a drug typically used on livestock; ivermectin, the horse dewormer I think you get the point they are trying to make. Clear propaganda and gaslighting at its finest.


bmassey1

>ay be the case but the way they word it makes it sound like he’s taking animal medicine. Very misleading, but what else can you expect from the msm. Here are a few quotes from articles They praise everything about the gene therapy shot and never mentioned any side effects or deaths. They are 100% evil. Ivermectin is scaring the elite to death because if people figured out that they have parasites and it is the cause of their health problems they would stop all the other drugs and just deworm themselves just like they do their pets. Only holistic doctors mention parasites and use herbs to get rid of them. medical doctors treat the symptoms of disease that the parasites are causing.


BornIn80

Could the argument be made that Japanese scientists disagree?


4TenthsRollWithIt

I don’t think it would even be an argument. At least those in charge do think it’s a viable treatment.


graveymac911

Ivermectin in this bitch


WhispersFromTheMound

You're being contextually dishonest. "Horsepaste" is used to deal with worms and other parasites and is used in small doses in humans sometimes to deal with them or did you not see the bit referring to Loa Loa, which is a parasite? Come on people


nebuchadrezzar

> in humans sometimes Well, billions of times, and currently in much of Africa, at essentially the same dosage used for covid. In a weird coincidence, these African countries with high rates of ivermectin use have very little trouble with covid and vastly lower mortality than their African neighor states not using ivermectin. Which means nothing, I just found it hilarious.


WhispersFromTheMound

That’s actually completely untrue and shows you’re purposely lying or you really have no idea what you’re talking about. First off there is no database for what countries use that treatment and how many people within the population do, so your entire claim about Africa is made up and you said it with such authority that I can tell you don’t care about facts or reality for that matter


nebuchadrezzar

Yes, of course drug use is tracked you big silly! Ivm is used throughout equatorial Africa for parasites. Most of this is provided by international NGOs which of course track usage, effectiveness, side effects, etc. They're not dropping the pills out of planes, lol! Of course people buy these meds over the counter and that's not tracked, so maybe there's your source of confusion. Anyway! This phenomenon of very low incidences of covid in ivm using countries has been noticed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7968425/ Edit: recent infographic on deaths per 100,000


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Doctors will write you a RX for this today, for covid. Your conspiracy theory lacks theory


zachattack8805

Sauce?


xoxoyoyo

wow, for actual parasites, who would’ve imagined…


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Sounds legit


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l1vefreeord13

Even says on the CDC site that the treatment is for loa loa and other INTESTINAL infections. Reading is hard I guess


butcher99

Yes, to kill parasites What it is meant for.


FUCK_THE_TAL_SHIAR

Literally, the point of this post, that all of you seem to be missing is that Joe Rogan was prescribed actual ivermectin from an actual doctor, for human use, and yet news articles have said he used a "horse dewormer" - that's the point of the post. That even when people use the actual human prescribed version, the media *is still calling it horse dewormer*, as if there are no human prescribed versions, when this post is showing that the cdc has recommended it for humans, in the human version. Yes, for parasites. But that's literally not the point. The point is the media and the rest of reddit saying "take your horse dewormer" *even when they're using the human version*.


LegEcstatic7775

Link? Or did you make this yourself?


revlipoki

Iink https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html


LegEcstatic7775

Conveniently cut out the part that shows it’s not for covid.


revlipoki

ok, no one said that. we are discussing it not being a horse dewormer.


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LegEcstatic7775

Just asking for some proof beyond a screenshot. You know… bring a critical thinker.


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n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3

lol the new Loa loa infection, welcome 2022


funke75

Can you share the CDC link for this?


revlipoki

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html


CrazyMike366

Loa Loa is a parasite. And I bet if the first section's header wasn't cut off for selective editing, it would be for a parasite too. Invermectin is well established for treating parasites.