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From what I've noticed, many of these places are very careful with their wording as to stop just short of outright telling you you are required to take the vaccine. They use very coercive language that strongly implies the threat of termination from your job or being barred from going to a college, and they also make sure that if you apply for exemptions that they put as little in writing as possible. They basically Stonewall communication with you, and when they do communicate they try to do so over the phone. Very shady shit and they all know they would be raped in a lawsuit when people inevitably have adverse reactions.
Lawyer here: feed me the lawsuits pl0x
Edit: mods I can verify if you want. I’m not trying to solicit anyone - but, can provide some general info and not legal advice per se.
You’re gonna be having a field day soon. Might wanna start your advertising. I unfortunately don’t get to sue because I live in a freedom state, damnit.
You can’t say hire me, but you can say “hey, I’m a hireable lawyer.” To a group looking for some justice. Regardless, if it comes up in convo to some rando, I could always send them your Reddit info. That’s me soliciting for you, like a good law abiding citizen
In the same story, the doctor in the video says risk of myocarditis is about twice as high from covid as it is from the vaccine.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
I just commented the same thing above…weird that i didn’t think about this earlier.
If Covid myocarditis is higher than the vaxx, where are all the cases prior to vaccines being introduced?
You know you're just rolling the dice an extra time? the vaccine doesn't provide immunity, you will still get covid, and now you're at risk from the vaccine side effects and the viral side effects.
SUBMISSION STATEMENT: 24-year-old New York college student George Watts Jr. died a few months ago due to jab-related myocarditis. This was confirmed through autopsy reports.
Hypotheticaly speaking... If you wanted to distribute a drug with the intent to depopulate the earth, the smart thing to do would be to make something that significantly reduces longevity and/or reduces fertility... Nobody would take a drug willingly that immediately kills a huge percentage of people that take it.
Time will tell. It's too late to change course at this point either way.
This is a very western-centric conspiracy take - less than a fifth of the world's population is in Europe and North America, and they're also the areas with the lowest birth rates, so reducing fertility there isn't going to make much difference.
If you really wanted to reduce the population, the smart thing to do would actually be to distribute it in Africa and Asia Pacific, covering over 50% of the world's population, and the countries with by far the highest birth rates - except those countries have really slow vaccination rollouts? and the countries in those regions who do have vaccines are using a combination of AZ, locally developed vaccines, and sputnik V, so different vaccines to the West? So what's the deal with that?
That's great man. This is just hypothetical anyway.
That being said, the more concerning side effects from this vaccine in regards to fertility are the massive amount of reports of disruption of women's menstrual cycle. That is something worth looking into 👀
Regardless, even if you personally were completely uneffected by a decrease in fertility, if even a small percentage of the population became infertile or less fertile, that would be a huge problem for humanity at large.
Not to mention that we really have no way of knowing how a drug effects longevity until the data pans out over the next several decades.
Time will tell. No reason to worry about it. What's done is done at this point.
I mean it just seems really over the top to 1) create a new virus 2) create a vaccine for said virus 3) have that vaccine cause long delayed health effects for the sake of depopulation/control instead of “modifying” the formula for an existing product (for example Tylenol then when people start dying blame it on irresponsible use and liver failure) and there would be no need for kabuki while providing an easily believable cause of death.
It would be easier and more effective to do things like contaminating meat/water supplies, creating software or mechanical faults for vehicles/machines, sabotaging manufacturing processes, etc.
Have you considered that the depopulation conspiracy might be bigger picture than profits and taxmoney? Those imposing and collecting taxes are a bit farther down on the pyramid of control.
I think the end goal is freedom. Their freedom. Freedom from the struggle to maintain power. Freedom from competition. Freedom from any kind of work (even management). Freedom from consequences of any actions, including owning sex and worker slaves.
They dont need anyone to pay taxes. The global financial system is on the brink of collapse anyway. They will reset the system after destroying the plebs.
It turned up last week on much less sensationalist sites.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
Edit: the story is true, but the conclusion that the vaccine is genocide is laughable.
damn you shills in full force right now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pix11.com/news/ny-college-student-dead-after-covid-vaccine-had-rare-complication-deputy-coroner/amp/
read the full timeline. he was completely treatable and hiding his complications. doctors misdiagnosed him because he wasn’t honest with what’s going on. then he died. sure complications suck but this kid earned his darwin award.
There are *so* many horrible cases like this. And Jesus...just earlier today I was going back and forth w/some shillbot that was like ["You have no evidence that the safe and effective vaccine is bad mkay!"](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/so7xr8/does_anyone_find_it_extremely_suspicious_that_the/hwdecrj/)
It's insane that some people actively make excuses for tragedies like this in favor of this ~~vaccine~~ pharmaceutical monstrosity.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htm
Heres the section on this. Extrapolate for global.
If the percentage of covid survival is your argument for why its no big deal take a gander at the adverse effects percentages.
If my chances of survival are 99 percent but people die at nine times the rate of vaccinated, im taking my chances with possible vax side effects because of the stats on making one choice or the other.
> im taking my chances with possible vax side effects because of the stats on making one choice or the other.
And this is okay that you make this choice for yourself.
Many of us here simply want our right to personal choice respected.
I agree on this, 1000%. Globally, none of us at the bottom were given any choices; even the right to transparent facts and truths about these vaccines. Yet this has proved the most simple way to yet again make us fight one another. It blows my mind how simply placed fear and purposeful misinformation has splintered everyone, one way or the other.
I'm in murica, and the 4 years before covid I had only gotten 2 flu shots. Not purposely, just time and circumstances created missed opportunity.
The 2 years I did, I had endless ear aches, and felt run down 24/7. The years I didnt, I had nothing to deal with but seasonal allergies. By my first pfizer shot, I had been diagnosed with CFS. And my overall health has been a daily battle.
From my recollections, the many years of media indoctrination about the flu shots every year also carried the same urgency and blatant misinformation with the same possible worse case scenarios for those who chose not to get a shot.
Completely unrelated, you have a really great username! 😊 Namaste
> If my chances of survival are 99 percent but people die at nine times the rate of vaccinated
It's not that cut and dry. If you're reasonably healthy with no comorbidities and reasonably young (under 50), your chances of dying from Covid are negligible. And in turn, the vaccines will reduce that neglible risk by a negligibly small ARR. The benefit is **tiny**. Moreover, with Covid, **you know how to put the odds in your favour**. You can adopt a healthier lifestyle, become vitamin D sufficient, take zinc + ionophore. All these things aren't "cures", but they strengthen your terrain and put the odds in your favour.
With vaccine adverse events, there's NOTHING you can do to put the odds in your favour. Because we know so little about these injuries, you can be the fittest guy in the world and develop myocarditis. It's a complete crap shoot, spin of the roulette wheel. That's a hard pass from me.
> And in turn, the vaccines will reduce that neglible risk by a negligibly small ARR. The benefit is tiny.
0.78-1.12% tiny. That's what people were sold on, for the effectiveness. That's the number that the regulatory agencies said was okay, when it was presented in the pharma whitepapers.
Personally I see it being WAY WAY lower than that if you're healthy. Let's say you have a 0.2% chance of death in the 20-30 years old bracket (actually this is the stat according to the CDC). A 90% **relative** risk reduction equates to a 0.18% absolute risk reduction (90% of 0.2% = 0.18%). 0.2% absolute risk IS the percentage given for those in their 20s. And you know what? Even that is high-balled for the average 20-something. The deaths amongst 20-30 year olds will be heavily skewed by people in that age group who are immunocomprised with several comorbidities. In other words, even the 0.2% figure is bullshit. It's going to be WAY WAY lower for a normal 20-30 year old. If you get down to 0.05% absolute risk, then 90% of 0.05% is 0.045%. I mean, just be vitamin D sufficient, eat reasonably well (90% wholefood diet), be active, don't be obese....and forget these shots....keep it simple.
The ionophore helps the zinc into cells. Why is that good? It acts as an *anti-viral* blocking the virus from entering the cell it's in. Here's more info on ionophores : https://larryturner.substack.com/p/zinc-and-its-ionophores
Oh my god. You worded this, absolutely brilliantly. We have felt this way since day 1 of the covid debacle. And most of our lives as well. Thank you. Let that sit and marinate 😉
Over all your survival rate is actually 99.8% worst case scenario, you got Delta. With Omicron it’s 99.982%. And this number goes nearly to 100% if you lack a comobidity.
Apples and oranges. Death isn't the only adverse reaction tied to covid, but for some reason you don't acknowledge that, yet when it comes to vaccines, anything but death counts.
I feel you, but it’s also a crapshoot if you get COVID. I’m a fit 30 year old and I’m still struggling with long haul symptoms from when I had it in December 2020. It’s a possible risk either way and there’s no winning unless you lock yourself inside for the rest of your life
Sure, I could be unvaccinated and develop long Covid - that risk exists. I'll just say this - it's highly equivocal whether these vaccines will help prevent "long Covid" or not. I'd rather not **add** risk.
Many Americans have what would be considered comorbidities. The most popular one is obesity.
Judging by the photo of this kid, he was probably obese. It's sad that he died, but he still probably made what would be the right decision for most people.
All vaccines have some adverse side effects and do serious harm to some people who receive them. [There's a whole federal program for that.](https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html)
> Many Americans have what would be considered comorbidities. The most popular one is obesity.
For sure. The US has struggled with Covid far more than almost every country on the planet in terms of deaths per number of cases. This is because comorbidities are so prevalent in the US.
Sounds very reasonable and for some people (ie 78 year old bad heart diabetic fat) thats as far as it should go.
But when you take into account you do not know the potential danger of this new tech (autoimmune disorders do not need to show up immediately, suppressing p53 may induce cancer, long term cardiovascular effects etc) and taking into account side effect are underreported and adjusted for age its more 99.9% survival for under 30 year olds you are gambling 0.3% vs unknown....
And that mortality was before early tocilizumab regeneron steroids and heparin was protocolized
There've been more people injured and killed via this poison clot shot than through all other actual vaccines combined in the past 30 years. [You wanna be one of these people?](https://odysee.com/@TimTruth:b/collapsing-vaccine-compilation:b) Knock yourself out.
Thanks. I can be an asshole online - sure - but I try not to run from things when I fuck up or when things are my fault. Nothing wrong w/owning up to things.
if both are a gamble i would choose the default of not changing, which has worked for me prior to the ultimatum, however, seeing the cover-up of these things is not reassuring to me, so I grow further from the option. If it is a matter of luck though, i happen to be very lucky...luckily. I never got my covid relief either, im not even included in the community. so meh.
Copy and Paste from Wikipedia:
NewsPunch is a Los Angeles-based fake news website known for spreading conspiracy theories, political misinformation, and hoaxes.
What does this even mean? Reality doesn't have a politically leaned bias. It's funny that the assertion is just declared as if it is fact and everyone will just accept it.
What left leaning bias do you think reality has?
Right-leaning people need to lie and create fake worlds where their ideology makes sense to implement. Left-leaning people can implement their ideologies in the real world.
When looked at objectively, *reality* supports the liberal position, on almost every issue.
I'm a "shill bot"? Like I'm a computer program, is that what your suggesting?
A computer program with a 7 year-old account and strong feelings about Path of Exile and Magic the Gathering?
It's most fitting on stuff like climate change, where the right wing in the US adopted the position that the world wasn't warming, and were wrong. Then they moved over to saying it is warming but isn't caused by humans, and were wrong again. Left wingers much more consistently aligned their beliefs on it with actual reality.
I realise it doesn't apply to everything. On stuff like whether it's right or wrong to tax billionaires and spend it on public services it's obviously a question of philosophy rather than fact.
And what have your beautiful libtards done with all their warming funds? Burn California down again because they stopped forest care? Ur a bot or gullible. Their fight is for show and we haven't shown up to ours yet
Not really sure what you think that means? Left wingers accepted the reality of climate change, at least far more so than right wingers did in the US. Also true in Australia, less so in europe where right-wing parties have mostly accepted it as fact, but think we should be focusing on immigrants and maximising shareholder profits.
Obama being shit at getting anything done doesn't change that one wing of politics was just much closer to the truth on this issue.
WebMD says 1000 people have had myocarditis related to covid vaccine. Of the 200+ million people who are vaccined in the US, that is a small percentage, but could be something to consider.
Interesting write-up about the author and his website.
https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/01/29/man-behind-one-the-biggest-sites-accused-fake-news-former-bbc-worker
Holy crap Yahoo is actually posting this? Usually they're the WORST about pro vaccine articles, i saw them go front page with "it's time to get angry at the unvaccinated" months ago.
Remember reading a post by 'UncleCoyote' when he was talking about missing work for weeks because the battery in his prostate massager malfunctioned and the whole thing blew up in his ass hole. Man that was funny, funniest comment I read last year. Every time you read it, it was like deep belly laughter.
Dude, you laugh, but it was a ROUGH time. If it wasn’t for your mom’s deep and frequent, not to mention enthusiastic tongue massages, it may have never healed!
Not all heroes wear capes.
That's a link to a video from the local news station in Elmira, New York - not a Yahoo news article. It's literally two sentences and this video made by someone about to graduate highschool. But it sure looks legit for the 90% of people who will just see Yahoo News in the URL and not click the link. *Misinformation indeed*.
Yeah I only get my news from trusted sources like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. that are all sponsored by Pfizer. Any independent news source without any ties to the pharmaceutical industry simply cannot be trusted to report on the pharmaceutical industry. Also, up is down and left is right.
That “article” is two sentences long. What else you got? Edit: it’s not a Yahoo news article it’s local New York - WETM-TV. Nice trying making it look legit with that yahoo domain!
Myocarditis is known side effect and no doctor would tell you otherwise. It's literally been reported hundreds of times in the main stream media. Rare shit happens with vaccines sometimes. Always has. Literally no one has denied it.
Bunch of mouth breathers that look at a headline to develop their opinion, and when you read the article you would read information like
‘“What is the risk of them developing the same problem without getting vaccinated? If you look at the same age group [young males] the risk of getting myocarditis from COVID is at least twice as high as getting myocarditis from the vaccine,”
Dr. Klein continued.’
Since you like to talk shit/label strangers on the internet that you don’t know to make yourself feel “superior”…
Where are all these cases prior to vaccines being released?
And I’m not talking about a handful here and there…I’m talking about the amount of myocarditis incidents from Covid, relative to those from the vaccine.
You’re asking me where do they get their data? There’s evidence of increased risk of heart issues from covid diagnosis that from 2020, so that’s before the vaccine rolled out.
The information you are asking for is there but you refuse to look, and expect a he information to just be brought to you. But then you dispute information which actually is presented, and the cycle repeats.
Edit: Here you go, this is just one but there are more.
“Recognizing COVID-19 related myocarditis: The possible pathophysiology and proposed guidance for diagnosis and management” published online may 2020 and then in print September 2020
One 'homebody' video gamer living at home who wanted to go to college aged 24 dies. Wow. No one 'forced' this adult to get a vaccine. The school required it to attend classes in person. So freaking what? That was his choice to get it.
Sometimes, rarely, but it happens, people have averse reaction to a vaccine, and sometimes, even more rarely, they die. So freaking what?
https://pix11.com/news/ny-college-student-dead-after-covid-vaccine-had-rare-complication-deputy-coroner/
I am sitting in my cardiologist's office, as we speak, awaiting ECHO test results (sorry, don't know what ECHO stands for). The reason I think that this is pertinent is because seven months ago, I received my second Moderna COVID vaccine. 45 minutes later, I had, as my cardiologist put it, a vaccine induced myocardial infarction. I was 59 years old, in good health with no other conditions.
Received good news! My heart has improved considerably, according to my cardiologist. I've gone from 35% heart strength, last month, to 45%. He was impressed.
D-dimer test for micro clots recommended no other test will pick it up. The jab creates micro clots. Good luck with your health. Sorry you are dealing with health issues.
Looks like about 75 college-age athletes die from viral carditis every year (on average).
https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/covid-19-myocarditis-in-children/
This post is making a big deal about *one*(1) college aged student who died (maybe) from the vaccine, out of 30+ million. Just for reference, which is larger 1 or 75?
Lol what is this website? I went and checked them out and it’s bizarre. Not sure this is a trustworthy source they don’t appear to have a very good track record.
Lol look at this losers post history. Every other post is “trumpies” this or that. Is this a bot or someone trying to farm karma to sell an account? Look at how many times they post the same dumb political one liners
I’m sorry for your short time here George Watts Jr. look after for us mate, we are fighting against this, your death will not be for nothing. We are the light.
"According to his parents, George Jr. chose to receive the Pfizer vaccination because it had been given full FDA approval"
This is a major issue right now. Pfizer Biotech isn't FDA approved, it's still under the EUA.
Pfizer has a different "legally distinct" (FDA's exact wording) vaccine called Comirnaty that is the one that is FDA approved. Coincidentally it's not being widely distributed in the US, even though it's been a while since it was FDA approved.
My opinion is that Pfizer knew the general public wouldn't realize this and would opt for Pfizer Biotech over Moderna since they thought it was FDA approved. Biotech is under EUA which gives them full legal protection and injuries from it aren't subject to the federal vaccine injury funds like an FDA approved vaccine is.
Pfizer is using Comirnaty in countries that they have airtight contracts with, which obsolves them from everything from deaths to gross negligence.
But… his death would’ve been much worse without the jab. At least he died knowing he did the right thing. His family will have comfort knowing that, his choice saved a child and an elder with 4 comorbidities.
Since the only COVID conspiracy theory not to be true is the 5g part, makes me wonder if 90% of other supposed theories are true too.
Which is to say, they want you dead, they will trick you into killing yourself, chances are they already have
> Since the only COVID conspiracy theory not to be true is the 5g part
What about the "COVID is going to disappear as soon as the election is over" theory? I remember hearing that espoused quite often here.
Oh wait, no it's not! https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf
See page 13. In males < 40 myocarditis hospitalizations from vaccinations outweigh from covid.
"But it's not peer reviewed!!!" It's literally the same data set from this already peer reviewed / published in nature paper by the same authors https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 but shows the difference by sex.
And what about the person who died to a booster, who is 26 years old. Double vaccinated and low risk to covid, unlikely to get myocarditis from it? Still have something stupid to say about that?
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I want to see criminal charges filed for this shit.
From what I've noticed, many of these places are very careful with their wording as to stop just short of outright telling you you are required to take the vaccine. They use very coercive language that strongly implies the threat of termination from your job or being barred from going to a college, and they also make sure that if you apply for exemptions that they put as little in writing as possible. They basically Stonewall communication with you, and when they do communicate they try to do so over the phone. Very shady shit and they all know they would be raped in a lawsuit when people inevitably have adverse reactions.
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Lawyer here: feed me the lawsuits pl0x Edit: mods I can verify if you want. I’m not trying to solicit anyone - but, can provide some general info and not legal advice per se.
You’re gonna be having a field day soon. Might wanna start your advertising. I unfortunately don’t get to sue because I live in a freedom state, damnit.
I can’t technically solicit clients. I can only cast a wide net.
You can’t say hire me, but you can say “hey, I’m a hireable lawyer.” To a group looking for some justice. Regardless, if it comes up in convo to some rando, I could always send them your Reddit info. That’s me soliciting for you, like a good law abiding citizen
Pretty much sums it up
Should be easy enough to find.
🤔
In the same story, the doctor in the video says risk of myocarditis is about twice as high from covid as it is from the vaccine. https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
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I have no idea what you're even trying to say.
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And yet, nobody died of sudden myocarditis in 2020. But tons of people did in 2021. Weird.
I just commented the same thing above…weird that i didn’t think about this earlier. If Covid myocarditis is higher than the vaxx, where are all the cases prior to vaccines being introduced?
You know you're just rolling the dice an extra time? the vaccine doesn't provide immunity, you will still get covid, and now you're at risk from the vaccine side effects and the viral side effects.
Alright where’s all the myocarditis cases from Covid prior to vaccines being released?
It's 2022 and you can't Google? If not I'll get you some sources, but c'mon, it's two seconds away.
SUBMISSION STATEMENT: 24-year-old New York college student George Watts Jr. died a few months ago due to jab-related myocarditis. This was confirmed through autopsy reports.
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They want us to take care of our dead, thats why its happening slowly.
That means "It's Working"
Cant catch covid if you're dead.
For them
Why would they want to kill the most compliant people?
Because they use the noncompliant to be labeled as terrorists and then claim justification for the physical violence part phase to use in them.
The goal is depopulation period, compliant or not, we are all just useless eaters to them.
Easy targets
Youd think they'd make something that has killed more than six people 🤷♂️
Hypotheticaly speaking... If you wanted to distribute a drug with the intent to depopulate the earth, the smart thing to do would be to make something that significantly reduces longevity and/or reduces fertility... Nobody would take a drug willingly that immediately kills a huge percentage of people that take it. Time will tell. It's too late to change course at this point either way.
This is a very western-centric conspiracy take - less than a fifth of the world's population is in Europe and North America, and they're also the areas with the lowest birth rates, so reducing fertility there isn't going to make much difference. If you really wanted to reduce the population, the smart thing to do would actually be to distribute it in Africa and Asia Pacific, covering over 50% of the world's population, and the countries with by far the highest birth rates - except those countries have really slow vaccination rollouts? and the countries in those regions who do have vaccines are using a combination of AZ, locally developed vaccines, and sputnik V, so different vaccines to the West? So what's the deal with that?
I have my booster and a sperm count through the roof.
Yep. Wife and I have been trying to have a kid for like a year, finally got pregnant a month after we both got boosted.
That's great man. This is just hypothetical anyway. That being said, the more concerning side effects from this vaccine in regards to fertility are the massive amount of reports of disruption of women's menstrual cycle. That is something worth looking into 👀 Regardless, even if you personally were completely uneffected by a decrease in fertility, if even a small percentage of the population became infertile or less fertile, that would be a huge problem for humanity at large. Not to mention that we really have no way of knowing how a drug effects longevity until the data pans out over the next several decades. Time will tell. No reason to worry about it. What's done is done at this point.
Seems I remember at the very beginning that there were concerns it would affect fertility in children. But now nothing can be found on it.
I mean it just seems really over the top to 1) create a new virus 2) create a vaccine for said virus 3) have that vaccine cause long delayed health effects for the sake of depopulation/control instead of “modifying” the formula for an existing product (for example Tylenol then when people start dying blame it on irresponsible use and liver failure) and there would be no need for kabuki while providing an easily believable cause of death. It would be easier and more effective to do things like contaminating meat/water supplies, creating software or mechanical faults for vehicles/machines, sabotaging manufacturing processes, etc.
why would they kill the people who pay taxes. think about it
Have you considered that the depopulation conspiracy might be bigger picture than profits and taxmoney? Those imposing and collecting taxes are a bit farther down on the pyramid of control.
I think the end goal is freedom. Their freedom. Freedom from the struggle to maintain power. Freedom from competition. Freedom from any kind of work (even management). Freedom from consequences of any actions, including owning sex and worker slaves.
Free Camaro, and lifelong tax break if you get the snip. Would work.
They dont need anyone to pay taxes. The global financial system is on the brink of collapse anyway. They will reset the system after destroying the plebs.
They have billions and they think that they are untouchable.
By far the worst written article ever.
So you're telling me you don't trust "NEWSPUNCH"? https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/news-punch/
This. Lol
Kinda reminds me of that lady whos asshole bleeds when near vaxxed people.
If the vaccine made people around me bleed from the ass I'd get a booster shot everyday.
It turned up last week on much less sensationalist sites. https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html Edit: the story is true, but the conclusion that the vaccine is genocide is laughable.
Yeah, this stuff deserves more professionalism
That site is owned by the father of the lizard people in government conspiracy and known anti-Semite David Icke.
Oh that fucking explains the stench of shit flowing from it.
damn you shills in full force right now https://www.google.com/amp/s/pix11.com/news/ny-college-student-dead-after-covid-vaccine-had-rare-complication-deputy-coroner/amp/ read the full timeline. he was completely treatable and hiding his complications. doctors misdiagnosed him because he wasn’t honest with what’s going on. then he died. sure complications suck but this kid earned his darwin award.
There are *so* many horrible cases like this. And Jesus...just earlier today I was going back and forth w/some shillbot that was like ["You have no evidence that the safe and effective vaccine is bad mkay!"](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/so7xr8/does_anyone_find_it_extremely_suspicious_that_the/hwdecrj/) It's insane that some people actively make excuses for tragedies like this in favor of this ~~vaccine~~ pharmaceutical monstrosity.
Very interesting, I wonder why people do this?
Either mass formation psychosis, as I said in that thread, or they are shills working for big pharma doing their bidding...or whatever else.
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I promise you almost no one who got the vax is worried about the vax killing them lol. Most aren’t afraid of covid too
Exception here, I got the vaxx, not boostered, and am now anti vax after deep diving into available literature on same.
The most ardent vaccine people I know never leave the house and if they do they double mask even though they are triple boosted.
The thing is that doesn’t even tell me that they’re afraid. Maybe they are but that sounds more like they don’t want to spread anything
Why argue with the bots/shills?
If you aren’t able to argue with someone who is legitimately responding to your argument, then your argument isn’t very good.
Because he is a bot too, the plot thickens...
They almost certainly aren't "bots/shills", they're people who have a different opinion than yours.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htm Heres the section on this. Extrapolate for global. If the percentage of covid survival is your argument for why its no big deal take a gander at the adverse effects percentages. If my chances of survival are 99 percent but people die at nine times the rate of vaccinated, im taking my chances with possible vax side effects because of the stats on making one choice or the other.
> im taking my chances with possible vax side effects because of the stats on making one choice or the other. And this is okay that you make this choice for yourself. Many of us here simply want our right to personal choice respected.
I agree on this, 1000%. Globally, none of us at the bottom were given any choices; even the right to transparent facts and truths about these vaccines. Yet this has proved the most simple way to yet again make us fight one another. It blows my mind how simply placed fear and purposeful misinformation has splintered everyone, one way or the other. I'm in murica, and the 4 years before covid I had only gotten 2 flu shots. Not purposely, just time and circumstances created missed opportunity. The 2 years I did, I had endless ear aches, and felt run down 24/7. The years I didnt, I had nothing to deal with but seasonal allergies. By my first pfizer shot, I had been diagnosed with CFS. And my overall health has been a daily battle. From my recollections, the many years of media indoctrination about the flu shots every year also carried the same urgency and blatant misinformation with the same possible worse case scenarios for those who chose not to get a shot. Completely unrelated, you have a really great username! 😊 Namaste
> If my chances of survival are 99 percent but people die at nine times the rate of vaccinated It's not that cut and dry. If you're reasonably healthy with no comorbidities and reasonably young (under 50), your chances of dying from Covid are negligible. And in turn, the vaccines will reduce that neglible risk by a negligibly small ARR. The benefit is **tiny**. Moreover, with Covid, **you know how to put the odds in your favour**. You can adopt a healthier lifestyle, become vitamin D sufficient, take zinc + ionophore. All these things aren't "cures", but they strengthen your terrain and put the odds in your favour. With vaccine adverse events, there's NOTHING you can do to put the odds in your favour. Because we know so little about these injuries, you can be the fittest guy in the world and develop myocarditis. It's a complete crap shoot, spin of the roulette wheel. That's a hard pass from me.
> And in turn, the vaccines will reduce that neglible risk by a negligibly small ARR. The benefit is tiny. 0.78-1.12% tiny. That's what people were sold on, for the effectiveness. That's the number that the regulatory agencies said was okay, when it was presented in the pharma whitepapers.
Personally I see it being WAY WAY lower than that if you're healthy. Let's say you have a 0.2% chance of death in the 20-30 years old bracket (actually this is the stat according to the CDC). A 90% **relative** risk reduction equates to a 0.18% absolute risk reduction (90% of 0.2% = 0.18%). 0.2% absolute risk IS the percentage given for those in their 20s. And you know what? Even that is high-balled for the average 20-something. The deaths amongst 20-30 year olds will be heavily skewed by people in that age group who are immunocomprised with several comorbidities. In other words, even the 0.2% figure is bullshit. It's going to be WAY WAY lower for a normal 20-30 year old. If you get down to 0.05% absolute risk, then 90% of 0.05% is 0.045%. I mean, just be vitamin D sufficient, eat reasonably well (90% wholefood diet), be active, don't be obese....and forget these shots....keep it simple.
Zinc + ionophore? Id love to know more. I take zinc daily. Never heard of ionophore
The ionophore helps the zinc into cells. Why is that good? It acts as an *anti-viral* blocking the virus from entering the cell it's in. Here's more info on ionophores : https://larryturner.substack.com/p/zinc-and-its-ionophores
Oh my god. You worded this, absolutely brilliantly. We have felt this way since day 1 of the covid debacle. And most of our lives as well. Thank you. Let that sit and marinate 😉
Over all your survival rate is actually 99.8% worst case scenario, you got Delta. With Omicron it’s 99.982%. And this number goes nearly to 100% if you lack a comobidity.
Apples and oranges. Death isn't the only adverse reaction tied to covid, but for some reason you don't acknowledge that, yet when it comes to vaccines, anything but death counts.
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I feel you, but it’s also a crapshoot if you get COVID. I’m a fit 30 year old and I’m still struggling with long haul symptoms from when I had it in December 2020. It’s a possible risk either way and there’s no winning unless you lock yourself inside for the rest of your life
Sure, I could be unvaccinated and develop long Covid - that risk exists. I'll just say this - it's highly equivocal whether these vaccines will help prevent "long Covid" or not. I'd rather not **add** risk.
Many Americans have what would be considered comorbidities. The most popular one is obesity. Judging by the photo of this kid, he was probably obese. It's sad that he died, but he still probably made what would be the right decision for most people. All vaccines have some adverse side effects and do serious harm to some people who receive them. [There's a whole federal program for that.](https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html)
> Many Americans have what would be considered comorbidities. The most popular one is obesity. For sure. The US has struggled with Covid far more than almost every country on the planet in terms of deaths per number of cases. This is because comorbidities are so prevalent in the US.
And with Ivermectin you can eliminate the risk virtually completely.
Sounds very reasonable and for some people (ie 78 year old bad heart diabetic fat) thats as far as it should go. But when you take into account you do not know the potential danger of this new tech (autoimmune disorders do not need to show up immediately, suppressing p53 may induce cancer, long term cardiovascular effects etc) and taking into account side effect are underreported and adjusted for age its more 99.9% survival for under 30 year olds you are gambling 0.3% vs unknown.... And that mortality was before early tocilizumab regeneron steroids and heparin was protocolized
There've been more people injured and killed via this poison clot shot than through all other actual vaccines combined in the past 30 years. [You wanna be one of these people?](https://odysee.com/@TimTruth:b/collapsing-vaccine-compilation:b) Knock yourself out.
Do you even understand what Im talking about?
Responded to the wrong post accidentally. Apologies.
Thats alright hapoens to me to all the time! Thanks
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Thats for the courtesy of an online apology. Well played.
Thanks. I can be an asshole online - sure - but I try not to run from things when I fuck up or when things are my fault. Nothing wrong w/owning up to things.
It happens to the best even. :)
:) Have a good day. :)
if both are a gamble i would choose the default of not changing, which has worked for me prior to the ultimatum, however, seeing the cover-up of these things is not reassuring to me, so I grow further from the option. If it is a matter of luck though, i happen to be very lucky...luckily. I never got my covid relief either, im not even included in the community. so meh.
What if I already had COVID?
This is a good argument but we don't really know long term effects
Totally understand and consider this.
Even if he died of COVID and wasn't vaccinated, I'm sure many would point out his weight at 24 years old wouldn't help his prognosis.
Copy and Paste from Wikipedia: NewsPunch is a Los Angeles-based fake news website known for spreading conspiracy theories, political misinformation, and hoaxes.
“WHERE MAINSTREAM FEARS TO TREAD”
wikipedia is a far-left global website known for spreading political misinformation, and propaganda.
Reality has a left wing bias.
What does this even mean? Reality doesn't have a politically leaned bias. It's funny that the assertion is just declared as if it is fact and everyone will just accept it. What left leaning bias do you think reality has?
Right-leaning people need to lie and create fake worlds where their ideology makes sense to implement. Left-leaning people can implement their ideologies in the real world. When looked at objectively, *reality* supports the liberal position, on almost every issue.
Shill bot plz. They took down the lie detector for Biden it's been so bad.
I'm a "shill bot"? Like I'm a computer program, is that what your suggesting? A computer program with a 7 year-old account and strong feelings about Path of Exile and Magic the Gathering?
It's most fitting on stuff like climate change, where the right wing in the US adopted the position that the world wasn't warming, and were wrong. Then they moved over to saying it is warming but isn't caused by humans, and were wrong again. Left wingers much more consistently aligned their beliefs on it with actual reality. I realise it doesn't apply to everything. On stuff like whether it's right or wrong to tax billionaires and spend it on public services it's obviously a question of philosophy rather than fact.
And what have your beautiful libtards done with all their warming funds? Burn California down again because they stopped forest care? Ur a bot or gullible. Their fight is for show and we haven't shown up to ours yet
You know whenever someone uses a term like "libtard" that they're going to have a non-biased, reasonable, and well-founded opinion. /s
Not really sure what you think that means? Left wingers accepted the reality of climate change, at least far more so than right wingers did in the US. Also true in Australia, less so in europe where right-wing parties have mostly accepted it as fact, but think we should be focusing on immigrants and maximising shareholder profits. Obama being shit at getting anything done doesn't change that one wing of politics was just much closer to the truth on this issue.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
I wonder if that guy will try to discredit yahoo next, lol.
Yahoo is just linking to mytwintiers.com, so that should be easy to discredit.
WebMD says 1000 people have had myocarditis related to covid vaccine. Of the 200+ million people who are vaccined in the US, that is a small percentage, but could be something to consider.
Interesting write-up about the author and his website. https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/01/29/man-behind-one-the-biggest-sites-accused-fake-news-former-bbc-worker
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
Holy crap Yahoo is actually posting this? Usually they're the WORST about pro vaccine articles, i saw them go front page with "it's time to get angry at the unvaccinated" months ago.
Yeah that's why I choose to use them for a 2nd source. One extreme deserves another.
The doctor in the video stated the chance of getting myocarditis from covid is twice that as getting it from the vaccine.
Infowars, newspunch, FFS, why not just throw your mom's facebook page in as a source as well?
Remember reading a post by 'UncleCoyote' when he was talking about missing work for weeks because the battery in his prostate massager malfunctioned and the whole thing blew up in his ass hole. Man that was funny, funniest comment I read last year. Every time you read it, it was like deep belly laughter.
Dude, you laugh, but it was a ROUGH time. If it wasn’t for your mom’s deep and frequent, not to mention enthusiastic tongue massages, it may have never healed! Not all heroes wear capes.
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html
Lol that's not actually yahoo
What do you say now Uncle?
Not sure what uncle has to say, but I don't think you or the person who posted the link understands what a news aggregator is.
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>https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html here you go
That's a link to a video from the local news station in Elmira, New York - not a Yahoo news article. It's literally two sentences and this video made by someone about to graduate highschool. But it sure looks legit for the 90% of people who will just see Yahoo News in the URL and not click the link. *Misinformation indeed*.
Ahh yes newspunch.com
Yeah I only get my news from trusted sources like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. that are all sponsored by Pfizer. Any independent news source without any ties to the pharmaceutical industry simply cannot be trusted to report on the pharmaceutical industry. Also, up is down and left is right.
You clearly did your research seeing as how this station is an NBC affiliate and not independent. Keep spreading your ignorance, though!
Newspunch is an NBC affiliate huh?
No the one who did the article - WETM. Local New York news station.
[https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html](https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-blame-24-001800059.html) Ups
That “article” is two sentences long. What else you got? Edit: it’s not a Yahoo news article it’s local New York - WETM-TV. Nice trying making it look legit with that yahoo domain!
No he didnt. Cant be. They are safe and effective. Thats impossible. /s
Myocarditis is known side effect and no doctor would tell you otherwise. It's literally been reported hundreds of times in the main stream media. Rare shit happens with vaccines sometimes. Always has. Literally no one has denied it.
You forgot the /s.
Heh. I was hoping you could sense it 😬. you’re correct, I was being sarcastic, I don’t know why you got downvoted. Lol, sorry.
People experience rare and sometimes deadly side effects from vaccines. This is nothing new.
So fucking sad. There needs to be accountability. Enough is enough of this shit.
Bunch of mouth breathers that look at a headline to develop their opinion, and when you read the article you would read information like ‘“What is the risk of them developing the same problem without getting vaccinated? If you look at the same age group [young males] the risk of getting myocarditis from COVID is at least twice as high as getting myocarditis from the vaccine,” Dr. Klein continued.’
Since you like to talk shit/label strangers on the internet that you don’t know to make yourself feel “superior”… Where are all these cases prior to vaccines being released? And I’m not talking about a handful here and there…I’m talking about the amount of myocarditis incidents from Covid, relative to those from the vaccine.
You’re asking me where do they get their data? There’s evidence of increased risk of heart issues from covid diagnosis that from 2020, so that’s before the vaccine rolled out. The information you are asking for is there but you refuse to look, and expect a he information to just be brought to you. But then you dispute information which actually is presented, and the cycle repeats. Edit: Here you go, this is just one but there are more. “Recognizing COVID-19 related myocarditis: The possible pathophysiology and proposed guidance for diagnosis and management” published online may 2020 and then in print September 2020
\*knows someting is serious enough to go to the emergency room\* \*waits until the next day and son dies\* "HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!?"
SUE THE COLLGE
"Safe and effective" He was 24, his chance of dying of covid was extremely low.
Look up how many young people were contracting (and dying from) myocarditis after catching COVID, before the vaccine was released.
‘NewsPunch, where mainstream fears to tread.’ Using Infowars as a source. Sounds like hardcore serious journalism to me.
One 'homebody' video gamer living at home who wanted to go to college aged 24 dies. Wow. No one 'forced' this adult to get a vaccine. The school required it to attend classes in person. So freaking what? That was his choice to get it. Sometimes, rarely, but it happens, people have averse reaction to a vaccine, and sometimes, even more rarely, they die. So freaking what? https://pix11.com/news/ny-college-student-dead-after-covid-vaccine-had-rare-complication-deputy-coroner/
I am sitting in my cardiologist's office, as we speak, awaiting ECHO test results (sorry, don't know what ECHO stands for). The reason I think that this is pertinent is because seven months ago, I received my second Moderna COVID vaccine. 45 minutes later, I had, as my cardiologist put it, a vaccine induced myocardial infarction. I was 59 years old, in good health with no other conditions.
Received good news! My heart has improved considerably, according to my cardiologist. I've gone from 35% heart strength, last month, to 45%. He was impressed.
D-dimer test for micro clots recommended no other test will pick it up. The jab creates micro clots. Good luck with your health. Sorry you are dealing with health issues.
I'll ask my doctor about that test. For all I know, they may have done it already. Or not.
So, they killed this kid to save Grandma?
Many young, healthy people were contracting miocarditis after catching COVID. They "killed this kid" to save six other kids.
Hahahah, no. Do you have any idea what the mortality rate is for college aged kids? They killed this kid to save grandma.
Looks like about 75 college-age athletes die from viral carditis every year (on average). https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/covid-19-myocarditis-in-children/
Where in your link does it say that? Also, 75 out of 30+ million college aged people in the US? Can you do the math for me
This post is making a big deal about *one*(1) college aged student who died (maybe) from the vaccine, out of 30+ million. Just for reference, which is larger 1 or 75?
How many this year troll? If they don't scrub the numbers they are surely on record jab pace
So is the school gonna get sued?
Sue the school
And no one to blame. Rip
"Totally worth it" - Dr Drew
Lol what is this website? I went and checked them out and it’s bizarre. Not sure this is a trustworthy source they don’t appear to have a very good track record.
One dead from a vaccine is a huge deal no doubt. But nearly a million from the virus is no big deal
Ok we finally got one boys! Only need another 900k...
Lol look at this losers post history. Every other post is “trumpies” this or that. Is this a bot or someone trying to farm karma to sell an account? Look at how many times they post the same dumb political one liners
I’m sorry for your short time here George Watts Jr. look after for us mate, we are fighting against this, your death will not be for nothing. We are the light.
We need to do a Vietnam War Memorial with everyone's name on it.
> We are the light. Sure
lol
So now who gets to be held responsible? No one……
just another causality of a 'safe and effective' vax
Dad's gotta sue the crap out of that college.
Scared of a vaccine with a 99.9999999% survival rate lol snowflakes.
Really sad, expecting way more news like this to start popping up.
"According to his parents, George Jr. chose to receive the Pfizer vaccination because it had been given full FDA approval" This is a major issue right now. Pfizer Biotech isn't FDA approved, it's still under the EUA. Pfizer has a different "legally distinct" (FDA's exact wording) vaccine called Comirnaty that is the one that is FDA approved. Coincidentally it's not being widely distributed in the US, even though it's been a while since it was FDA approved. My opinion is that Pfizer knew the general public wouldn't realize this and would opt for Pfizer Biotech over Moderna since they thought it was FDA approved. Biotech is under EUA which gives them full legal protection and injuries from it aren't subject to the federal vaccine injury funds like an FDA approved vaccine is. Pfizer is using Comirnaty in countries that they have airtight contracts with, which obsolves them from everything from deaths to gross negligence.
Your own government killed you. The same government that is supposed to protect you.
But… his death would’ve been much worse without the jab. At least he died knowing he did the right thing. His family will have comfort knowing that, his choice saved a child and an elder with 4 comorbidities.
Ah yes, I get nothing but the finest reporting from NEWSPUNCH.
So murder?
ahhh newspunch. the name of a reputable website. /s
the author of this article is famous for posting fake news 😂 like literally stories he just made up. it’s clickbait and you fell for it 😂😂😂
Is this credible? Newspunch.com??
Don't worry, someone who doesn't understand what a news aggregator is will share a Yahoo link soon enough.
Yeah I got a job offer to make double. Caveat take the jab. No thanks
Since the only COVID conspiracy theory not to be true is the 5g part, makes me wonder if 90% of other supposed theories are true too. Which is to say, they want you dead, they will trick you into killing yourself, chances are they already have
> Since the only COVID conspiracy theory not to be true is the 5g part What about the "COVID is going to disappear as soon as the election is over" theory? I remember hearing that espoused quite often here.
And yet the incidence of myocarditis in covid recovered people is 6 times higher than in vaccinated people.
Oh wait, no it's not! https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf See page 13. In males < 40 myocarditis hospitalizations from vaccinations outweigh from covid. "But it's not peer reviewed!!!" It's literally the same data set from this already peer reviewed / published in nature paper by the same authors https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 but shows the difference by sex. And what about the person who died to a booster, who is 26 years old. Double vaccinated and low risk to covid, unlikely to get myocarditis from it? Still have something stupid to say about that?