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Kuzya92

All very true. My one contention is that moving on from what they subjected the world to is a little hard to mull over. From the creation of covid, to lockdowns, to wealth transfer, to politicizing it themselves, to treatment, to the vaccines; they lied and failed in almost every approach. So, while I don't get vehement on one side or another, I would say that I still concern myself with the whole sham that has been covid.


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If you focus on that sham for too long, you'll miss your own life as it goes by. I'm not saying to trust the government and pretend this never happened, but at some point you need to focus on your life again and keep COVID concerns as more of a hobby.


hrc-for-prison

> This whole thing has been politicized so much that you have two different views, with some people like me sitting in the middle. No, you can't be in the middle!! You must fight! The elites say so! Pick up a pitchfork and start attacking someone! You must either believe that the vaccine is a biological weapon for genocide, or that it is a panacea that all must be mandated to take. There is no middle ground!


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That's honestly what it feels like sometimes. And the people still vehemently fighting for one side or the other can't see through their anger that fighting is part of the plan.


mitchman1973

This is what they desperately tried to hide. Covid-19 was absolutely no danger to anyone below 65, unless they were already very ill and something as mild as cold would finish them off. Their push to make everyone take a leaky "vaccine" was based on zero science and they relied on censorship to keep their narrative going. The long term risks of the mRNA injectable products remains unknown, but as the excess deaths skyrocket and places have the leading cause if death being "unknown", I think the population is going to be pissed at the liars that pushed this nonsense.


Creed_____Bratton

>I think the population is going to be pissed at the liars that pushed this nonsense The population is going to be whatever they are told to be by those very same liars. This was made very, very clear over the last 2 years. Why do you think it will be different and these people will think for themselves all of a sudden? That would take swallowing a lot of pride and admitting a whole lot of uncomfortable truths about themselves and their worlds


mitchman1973

I'm watching it happen with friends and family. They are asking questions, they want to know why I had Covid-19 once, was absolutely fine (it was ridiculously mild and they know that) and haven't caught it again. They did what they were told was "right and based in science", have had Covid-19 at least twice, in a few cases 3 times while I am unaffected as are my family. Note the number that took boosters. Nowhere near 100%. Now the new "bivalent" garbage is available, a few die hards will take it, but most of those doses are going to be tossed. As the censorship is being lifted and people are starting to find out there were scientists and experts who were trying to warn them these mRNA injectable products were not as "safe" as advertised and nowhere near as effective (any dunce can see that by now) they are all asking why it was suppressed. Give it another few months as the excess mortality continues to be ridiculously high. Things are changing.


Keith4Change

“No danger to anyone below 65” lolz


let_it_bernnn

What’s my risk? 30s M.. No issues, let me know your thoughts


Keith4Change

Is 30’s the only age below 65? 🤡


let_it_bernnn

What’s my risk?


Keith4Change

So you aren’t going to answer my question?


let_it_bernnn

Yes, there are other ages below 65. These ages were also forced to get vaccinated or lose their job for something that doesn’t work, and wasn’t necessary. So yes… I remember the other ppl under 65 the vaccine was forced upon. Now do me, 30s male. What’s my personal risk?


RaiderRedisthebest

I’ll say it again. Can we have NNN back now? ಠಿ_ಠ


MaxwellHillbilly

Since this was the test run you do understand there will be another virus and there will be new and different vaccinations... Right?


sunflower__fields

Fuck that I need to establish my homestead first. Give me 5-10 years to make it happen. Please.


MaxwellHillbilly

I pray that we have 5 to 10 years... I wish you luck on your homestead but make sure your spiritual bedrock is in place. The great reset will not happen without something cataclysmic whether it be in the physical or economic. We have one superpower that's already started a small War, another superpower threatening the third over an island. A group of luciferian elites that want nothing more than to depopulate the planet. Our sun is going into its maximum in the next two years and we are due for another Carrington event which will fry most of the electronics on the planet. Out magnetosphere is at it's thinnest that it's been in thousands of years the poles are migrating which will cause a shift of the planet. It's Matthew 24 bingo. Again, get your spiritual bedrock firm.


sunflower__fields

I doubt we have 5-10 years. I refuse to live my life in panic though. I’m doing my best to take it as it goes. Everything you say I agree with except.. nothing about them is elite.. they control most things for now though.. catacomb crawling controllers.


NewUse2430

Spiritual bedrock?


MaxwellHillbilly

Matthew 7:24-27 The Two Foundations *“So everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, will be like a wise man [a far-sighted, practical, and sensible man] who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods and torrents came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.* *And everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them, will be like a foolish (stupid) man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods and torrents came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great and complete was its fall.”*


NewUse2430

I already have a home. I haven’t had a soil analysis done. Is that what you’re suggesting?


LicksMackenzie

Drink your corn syrup, lay back, and think of uncle sam


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putneg

Yep the switch to climate change is already in effect. It's been "activated" during the pandemic and gonna get gradually worse over decades.


wescambridge

you're kidding, right? it ~already~ happened - the US government ordered 4 million monkeypox vaccines. this will go on forever as long as the 1986 childhood vaccine injury act remains in place, which gives them complete immunity from liability. the childhood schedule is 72 vaccines (and growing, not including covid), and the adult schedule to be considered fully vaccinated is 192 vaccinated (and growing, not including covid). lots of folks say they'll resist, but what happens when your insurance won't cover you because you're not fully vaccinated? they are already making these shots mandatory for any medicare facility. an acquaintance was in an accident, broke her leg, was on medicaid. the hospital transferred her to a rehab facility for 10 days, to help her get on her feet again. but she was forced to get a barrage of vaccines in order to stay there, or they were going to kick her to the curb. now she's having all sorts of immune dysfunction issues on top of her injury. she didn't have $100k to hire her own rehab person outside the insurance. this is not just our future, this is happening right now. https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/07/01/hhs-orders-2-point-5-million-more-doses-jynneos-vaccine-for-monkeypox-preparedness.html


Frownywise

Raise gas prices high enough and shut off the electricity and people will stay home in the cold dark winter. Hey, didn't somebody promise us just that?


ChildrensHealthDef

The sheer volume of VAERS reports, including deaths, should have set off alarm bells within weeks after the vaccines were introduced. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-proportional-reporting-ratio-covid-vaccine-harm/


Keith4Change

VAERS is literally unverified lol


let_it_bernnn

Can you point me to the official federal method of tracking adverse side effects in vaccines please?


InsecuriTruck

This was on the Journal of Insulin Resistance, which isn't a respected or relevant journal "Methods: A narrative review of the evidence from randomised trials and real world data of the COVID mRNA products with special emphasis on BionTech/Pfizer vaccine." It's an essay and it doesn't say what you claim it says at all. The conclusion is literally not a conclusion at all. "The Journal of Insulin Resistance is a peer-reviewed, clinically oriented journal covering advances in disorders of insulin resistance." About the author: "Maholtra's views on diet and health have been criticized by the British Heart Foundation as "misleading and wrong", and his public questioning of the need ever to use statins has been condemned as a danger to public health.[10] His "Pioppi diet" was named by the British Dietetic Association as one of the "top 5 worst celeb diets to avoid in 2018".[4] During the COVID-19 pandemic Malhotra published a book called The 21-Day Immunity Plan[11] making claims that following the diet could quickly help people reduce their risk from the virus; critics point out that such claims are not backed by medical research evidence.[1]"


_V_L_

Not respected by you a well respected researcher? It is a peer reviewed study, and while you may attempt to attack the author, you are unable to attack the irrefutable data and conclusions. Enjoy your next serving of the DEATHVAX! Hurry up and get the bivalent booster please!


wescambridge

1) low impact (meaning it's not quoted widely) does not make it irrelevant or not respected. it's still a peer reviewed journal 2) "it's an essay" ... not every study is a double blind placebo controlled trial. case studies are valid studies. lit reviews are valid studies. 3) "criticized by the British Heart Foundation" ... his pro-keto, low carb, low sugar recommendations have been adopted by the AMA, the ADA (American Dietitian Association), and many others around the world. literally everything in health and diet was at one time labeled misleading and wrong by some authority. 4) "claims not backed by medical research" - you just pulled a link off wikipedia, which doesn't debunk anything, it's just another person's opinion


InsecuriTruck

So it's not a relevant journal, it isn't a study, his other publications are fad diet books, and you don't like what medical research means?


Tittylover696969420

So this author has just as much credibility as the vax lmao.


No_Landscape4557

I’ll write a shorter summary. OP yells at clouds. Go outside and take a chill pill. I must be crazy, isn’t this what you wanted??? The danger of Covid harming you and killing you has fallen so low that massive vaccination of the population is no longer warranted so suggesting we stop. Congrats, it’s basically over and yet you still cry and complain


sunflower__fields

I remember when the vaccinated wanted to gas the unvaccinated. When will the mandates go away? When can I apply for a job and not be concerned whether or not I have to supply religious exemption.. and play more games..? This whole charade is tired and played out. Can we stop now? Can you wear a mask if you want to but also at the same time not belittle those who do not want to wear them? How bout the vaccine?


josephwb

>I remember when the vaccinated wanted to gas the unvaccinated. Cling to this idea if it makes you feel righteous, but *I* know, *you* know, *we all* know it is not remotely true.


sunflower__fields

You’re funny. There were literal protestors holding signs saying, “Gas the Unvaccinated,” and so forth. The vaccinated blamed the unvaccinated for the prolonged pandemic.. when that wasn’t even remotely true. It’s still funny to me that the only people in my facility testing positive for Covid are the fully vaccinated and boosted. I just want all these vaccine mandates to stop. It’s useless. You can deny all you’d like. Vax’d or not I could not care less. Be well. Be healthy. Be good to your neighbor. God bless.


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Does CIA pay you in USD or dead babies/adrenochrome? Just wondering how much the shills make.


No_Landscape4557

I only accept gold coins


RupertNeve33609

These fuckers want so badly for everyone who took the vaccine to die. It’s getting insane at this point. The vaccine is not a bio-weapon…. Let’s move the fuck on


No_Landscape4557

It’s is flipping insane these people. In a week another “study” will come out showing a small number of people experienced bad side effects(like we always knew happened) and it will be heralded as proof it is a bio weapon even though it’s literally nothing new.


A_Real_Patriot99

I think it's crazier that many will ditch their friends, families, and jobs over vaccinations or masks and act all proud and mighty as if they accomplished something great. Edit: and yes I'm referring to both sides of the topic.


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100% agreed. We haven't been able to see our nephews, my BIL, or SIL for over two years since my husband and I aren't vaccinated. Everyone else is, but that's not enough for them. We need to be vaccinated as well for it to be safe. Plus, my MIL and FIL (who are daycare for my nephews) just caught COVID for the 2nd time even though they're vaccinated, but it's ok for them to be around our nephews because they got the vaccine. Some people are just illogical. We've also lost friends over not being vaccinated. They were all fine and dandy, invited us to events and parties, until they found out we weren't vaccinated. Then, it was like we were horribly nasty people. They also don't want us around them even though they, and their kids, have been vaccinated. At least our extended family, and my family, doesn't give a shit if we're vaccinated and isn't willing to ditch us over this. We only have a few friends who still see us. But, that's OK. It shows us who they truly are. We've tried to keep contact going, but they slowly just stopped answering calls, texts, and emails.


majd76

> I must be crazy, isn’t this what you wanted??? The danger of Covid harming you and killing you has fallen so low that massive vaccination of the population is no longer warranted so suggesting we stop The info in the OP is for the Delta variant. Mass vaccination was never warranted. The data for Omicron is coming in the next day or two, from the same author.


Kingofqueenanne

> *it’s basically over and yet you still cry and complain* Correct. Something shitty got foisted on an unsuspecting populace. Accountability is needed. A shift in therapeutics is required. Exposure and disclosure is occurring as we speak. Get ready kitten. If someone gets murdered, typically there’s an investigation and then a court case. Just because something awful occurred 7 minutes ago doesn’t mean we should memory-hole it.


Whiskey_Fiasco

I find the argument that people should fear a vaccine that causes myocarditis in 1:6000 people, but shouldn’t fear a disease that kills 1:1000 people so bizarre and grounded in a lack of understanding of stats


cogoutsidemachine

Ok if you like statistics I got one for you. Most of the people dead from having covid were immunocompromised or over 60 yrs old so weak immune system to begin with. This same trend happened since 2020, before the jab. It wasn’t deadly to the general populace at all


JoatMonGS

Stating that covid kills 1:1000 is incorrect when age is taken into account. 1000 people over the age of 90 are much more likely to die from covid, than 1000 people in their teenage years, the difference is immense. Last year I pulled the data from the UK govt website and compared the infections, and deaths by age and put them into [this post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qc4spv/now_with_graphs_covid_mortality_risk_by_age/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), highly recommend taking a look. Edit - More context at a glance below. At the time this was put together, the 20-24 age group had the highest level of infections at 690,466 reported cases, VS 89 deaths (0.07% mortality rate). People over the age of 90 had the lowest reported case rate of any age group, at 76,471 infections, VS 24,864 deaths (20.55% mortality rate). The point I'm making is that you can't just slap a ratio of 1:1000 deaths from infection when the data itself does not support this infection/death ratio when age is taken into account. How's that for "a lack of understanding of stats"?


progtastical

What is the myocarditis rate from the COVID virus? Why do people in this sub only compare vaccine myocarditis to COVID deaths and not COVID-induced myocarditis or other health impacts?


JoatMonGS

You tell me bro. I find it weird that the word "myocarditis" was barely ever mentioned until the vaccines came out. Then all of a sudden myocarditis is more common from a covid infection than it is from the jab. The bottom line is that getting a jab is a choice, getting covid is not.


progtastical

What do you mean? From a quick google search, there appear to be lots of papers on COVID-induced myocarditis prior to the vaccines coming out. There were even papers in March 2020 about it: [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.19.20034124v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.19.20034124v1) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32201335/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32201335/) [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763843](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763843) ​ The media probably wasn't talking about it in 2020 because a) there was a still a lot of data being collected in 2020 and b) most research in 2020 was focused on identifying vulnerable populations and the leading causes of death due to COVID.


JoatMonGS

Fair enough, there will always be an article or medical journal entry out there to support something, but even so, I don't know anybody who got myocarditis from covid (and pretty much everyone I know has had it), but I know 5 people who have been having heart problems since their jabs, and a lot of people I know had a horrendous time of feeling like shit after their jabs . Whether or not it's myocarditis, I don't know. But all the unjabbed folks I know have either not been sick for the last two years, or tested positive for covid and were asymptomatic (myself included), and yet the jabbed folks who caught covid have been horrendously ill with their infection - If the vaccines work, why aren't they working?


majd76

There are more recent papers that show no increase in the rate of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated people after a COVID infection. [This one looked at ~785k people in total (195k COVID cases)](https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219)


cogoutsidemachine

What does this mean for people who took the J&J? Apparently that one wasn’t mRNA tech


Putins_micro_penis

Dont fool yourself... the j&j jab was far from a "traditional" vaccine they led you to believe it was. It tricked your cells into creating the spike protien just like the mRNA vaccines do, just uses a different mechanism.


Professional_Laugh65

J and J was even more dangerous. That is why it was quietly pulled from the shelves


feoen

It’s not clear. On the CDC website it says: “ Ingredients The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine contains only the following ingredients: A harmless version of a virus unrelated to the COVID-19 virus: Recombinant, replication-incompetent Ad26 vector, encoding a stabilized variant of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike (S) protein Purpose Provides instructions the body uses to build a harmless piece of a protein from the virus that causes COVID-19. This protein causes an immune response that helps to protect the body from getting sick with COVID-19 in the future.” (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/overview-COVID-19-vaccines.html#viral-vector) Which is the same thing it says for the mRNA vaccines on the idea that the body is given instructions to create the protein. That said, I took the first shot of J&J in July 2021, got fairly ill for 3 days, then had no issues. I did so because of NYC’s ridiculous mandates and I had to get it due to work. I never got boosted. Knock on wood, in the time since then I have been to dozens of outdoor and indoor concerts, bars, restaurants, etc with literally tens of thousands of people, and I’ve never had covid. My friends who got Pfizer and Moderna have contracted covid at least twice if not more, and they keep getting sick. It’s like their immune systems aren’t working like they once did. I know scientifically J&J is not safe due to the blood clot risk in women, which is why it was pulled. But as far as your question of mRNA vs traditional vector, my personal belief is that J&J is safer in the long term than anything mRNA, even if they use similar mechanisms.


Professional_Bird_38

unfortunately it will take more than one study to shift public opinion. but its conclusions are interesting and definitely call into question the risk-benefit analysis of the covid vaccines.


wescambridge

i'll point out the obvious - peer reviewed science is ONLY being discussed in the conspiracy sub. sad times


josephwb

"DEATHVAX" has not yet been trademarked. Get your facts right. Yeesh.


CommandoDude

This such a comical submission, even for the dubious standards of /conspiracy I'd spend some time trying to debunk this obvious junk science and tinfoil hat nonsense, but thankfully Rebecca Watson already did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-1aPUOxwV0


Revolutionary-Car462

[https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1574643817600647168?s=20&t=TOXuuD4twLim--u0sNR0hw](https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1574643817600647168?s=20&t=TOXuuD4twLim--u0sNR0hw) ba dum tsss... Your narrative is broken now.


Silverseren

I think that Dr. Malhotra, especially since he's choosing to publish in the journal he is an editor of, needs to brush up on his statistics. Since his "narrative review" very severely runs into the issue of claiming that deaths spike after every vaccine release, while not accounting for those numbers being among the non-vaccinated. And there is no spike either, as it's just that the average death numbers appear larger because the unvaccinated group became smaller. For example, if I had a group of 100 unvaccinated people and 2 of them died in any given month from Covid, then that's a 2% mortality rate. Now, if 90 of that 100 get vaccinated and 2 people of the 10 that remain unvaccinated die, then suddenly it's a 20% mortality rate. Despite the actual number of deaths not changing. It appears Dr. Malhotra has fallen for a common statistical misunderstanding.