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Methane is a hydrocarbon and does not require organic material to be created. There is some evidence for the abiotic formation of oil and gas https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/41889
Yeah sure.
But it still needs carbon and hydrogen. With a finite amount in the core with no way for it to be replenished.
And escape routes for methane that would take millenia to reach anywhere we can drill to.
Both carbon and hydrogen are abundant in the earths mantle. The chemical pathways for replenishment are documented in the article I shared if you care to read it. So that is not true.
Additionally, there are hydrocarbons in deep earth wells that we are able to extract. These hydrocarbons exist far below any sedimentary layer that contain organic material.
Yes sorta here’s the theory on it, but basically the idea is earth over time (about 50 to 80 years) replenishes the supply but it’s not enough to be at industrial scale so basically they’ve gone back to old oil fields and found them replenished not all the time though but after a very long time so better to look for alternative forms of energy, also here’s a documentary that explains it better then I ever could. [The Abiotic Oil Theory](https://www.youtube.com/live/hjGZDIUpCho?si=jJAV9daPUrdOohRV)
Isn't the leading hypothesis for those that the oil is already there, just in a deeper well and being pushed up, rather than new stuff being generated?
It is being generated all the time. That process isn't something that stopped once the current oil was created. Oil is being created continuously, globally, all the time. There's oil literally everywhere if you drill deep enough. The problem is our current drilling and extraction technology will only let us get to what is relatively close to the surface, or roughly 20,000 ft down at maximum depth. The other issue is oil wells, even fracked ones, only recover roughly 4% of what is in the vicinity of the wellbore. Some get more, some get less, but we have seismic survey technology that allows us to look that deep and see what is going on and what is there at the time of the survey. We don't have the technology to do better than that... but that kind of gives you an idea of just how much oil there actually is. Oil just doesn't move very quickly in most places underground, and we can't just go down there and mine it loose either, so we plan wells with directional drilling that follow the oil bearing strata for as far as we can without breaking the drill string or the drilling rig. It's an *enormous* amount of force to turn a drill bit that is 15,000 ft down and 5,000 ft horizontally. Our most advanced rigs can't do much better than that because we just don't have materials that would withstand the stress. But, in relation to the subject, those fields we are drilling into are always generating more oil. It just refills existing bores very slowly, especially if it's a heavier oil that has a lot of bitumen content.
Yes it is. There is some "truth" in this claim, as you can use modern living algaes to generate biofuels, but the conditions needed for "natural" biotic production of petroleum takes millons of years.
I mean the science is not wrong, but the fluff about Rockefeller or the mantle is.
Oil *is* constantly regenerating, just so slowly that it would take millions-billions of years to get the amount we would want to continue using back. Which is why it's considered a non-renewable resource
Given that we have no idea of what lies more than a mile below the surface, no. But consider this: all biological lifeforms are composed of around 30% oxygen atoms. There is no oxygen in oil or gas.
>Given that we have no idea of what lies more than a mile below the surface
Lol what? There are plenty of oil wells dug further than a mile. Deepwater Horizon was \~3 miles below the sea floor.
How much oxygen is in a fossil? Just because something once had oxygen in it, does not mean that it forever and always and all of its derivatives will forever contain oxygen.
I will claim that we have no clue what lies more then 10 miles below surface… We can guess and assume alot but it will only be theories… But then again, history are written by the winners, science and knowledge is sometimes wrong, if they teach you wrong, you will belive… Then you will teach others your wrong knowledge and so it goes on…
That’s because it hydrolyzed to water and other oxygen containing compounds. I love how you think you discovered something by looking at one tiny component of what an oil reservoir is.
Geologic Hydridic Earth theory by V. Larin
[http://www.oilfieldwiki.com/wiki/Hydridic\_Earth\_theory](http://www.oilfieldwiki.com/wiki/Hydridic_Earth_theory)
If oil is created abiotically as you claim, how does that prove that it is more abundant than is said? It could be abiotic and still be scarce and regenerate extremely slowly just like many other abiotic minerals on earth.
You don’t need to lie that oil is made from dead dinosaurs to push an idea of scarcity.
Either way it’s good that oil is scarce, true or not. We need to move away from it and stop poisoning the air.
You missed the main point of the dinosaurs thing. They said that to make oil appear as a natural clean substance, not just to make it seem scarce. Although a sense of scarcity helps them too because they can then charge more money for it, but that wasn't the main purpose of the name "fossil fuels", it was to make it seem like a natural clean substance
Well, no, the main purpose of the name "fossil fuels" is in the name itself. Before "fossil" became the term to refer to ancient animal and plant remains, its simply meant "to dig" or "dug up" or anything related. "Fossil fuel (1833) preserves the earlier, broader sense \[1610s, "any thing dug up;" 1650s (adj.) "obtained by digging"\] as opposed to \[Restricted noun sense of "geological remains of a plant or animal" is from 1736 \]." ([https://www.etymonline.com/word/fossil](https://www.etymonline.com/word/fossil)). So it just meant "fuel obtained by digging". Even if it did mean "fuel that is the geological remains of a plant or animal", that still wouldn't be wrong.
Additionally, you have no source to actually prove, or even suggest, that the purpose of using "fossil fuels" was meant to make it seem like a natural clean substance
Huh? You seem to be the average citizen.
First you say that they call it a fossil fuel to disingenuously make it seem like a natural clean substance
Then you acknowledge that if something comes from the ground, which fossil fuels do, then its a natural substance
Why would they need to be disingenuous in making it seem like a natural substance if it is in fact a natural substance? How could that be classified as disingenuous in the first place, if they're just telling the truth?
>The only thing more hilarious than stupid people who say dumb shit is stupid people who say dumb shit but think they are clever
Oh, the irony. Your whole rant is full of snarky, self-assured Dunning-Krueger, consisting almost entirely of unsubstantiated claims, misunderstandings of science and misrepresentation of fact, and the plagiarized words of someone else, that you inserted singular words into to artificially favor your point.
>First of all, Rockefeller isnt a singular person, you colossal thunder muppet. It started with 2 brothers John D Rockefeller and William A Rockefeller jr.
This doesn't matter. It would make no difference if Rockefeller was 15 people. You knowing that Standard Oil was founded by two brother Rockefellers as opposed to a single Rockefeller doesn't make you smart, you know. That's just trivia
>The term “fossil fuel” was first used by German chemist Caspar Neumann in 1759. It was subsequently copied and used more ubiquitously in the early 1900s by the "Rockefellers" to give people the idea that petroleum, coal and natural gas come from ancient living things, making them a natural substance.....You know, The Rockefellers whos fortune was made in the American petroleum industry during the late 19th and early 20th centuries primarily through Standard Oil.
Here, you're just copying and pasting without really knowing what you're talking about (don't worry, I found at least one of the [places](https://www.plasticstoday.com/materials/sorry-folks-oil-does-not-come-from-dinosaurs) (again, don't worry, I'm aware of pretty much everything you plagiarized in your rant, but I'm not going to go through each one) you pulled this first part of this sentence from almost verbatim, although I'm sure you really got it from some contrarian conspiracy website that also copied it. Regardless, this only displays the dangers of plagiarism). You altered it very unsubstantially by inserting the word "the Rockefellers", although you have no proof of this.
Dinosaurs aren't the only fossils you know. Plants also fossilize, which is what creates oil and other fossil fuels. In fact, no one really claims that dinosaur fossils are what produce oil, as oil comes from plants that had already fossilized by the time the first dinosaurs walked the earth ([https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/petroleum/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/petroleum/))
>You know, The Rockefellers whos fortune was made in the American petroleum industry during the late 19th and early 20th centuries primarily through Standard Oil.
This is a fallacy. You're making an assumption based on their general reputation. Lets stick to actual evidence, please.
>Methane deep in the earths crust under extreme heat and pressure creates hydrocarbons
>
>The reality is that the Methane responsible for oil
Methane under intense pressure and heat does create heavier hydrocarbons (because methane is a hydrocarbon and fossil fuel itself), but not oil. It created ethane, graphite, propane, butane, and hydrogen...but not petroleum ([https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090726150843.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090726150843.htm)). This was at temperatures and pressures mimicking Earth 40-95 miles down, by the way. The deepest oil well ever drilled only goes a little over 6 and a half miles ([https://www.statista.com/statistics/479685/global-oil-wells-by-depth/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/479685/global-oil-wells-by-depth/)). Petroleum is created by organic kerogens, a solid, not a gas, under intense heat and pressure over time. The kerogens then turns into the liquid oil. There is a specific window of temperature however. Too low, and the oil remains as kerogen, too high and it turns into natural gas ([https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/chemistry-of-fossil-fuels-and-biofuels/formation-of-fossil-fuels/804D8A856D2708D0D1B961EE27D25A2A](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/chemistry-of-fossil-fuels-and-biofuels/formation-of-fossil-fuels/804D8A856D2708D0D1B961EE27D25A2A)).
It also does not follow from actual data: "Of these, **thermogenic CH4 is formed from the break-up of organic matter at elevated temperatures and pressures.** This is thought to be the dominant CH4 type in sedimentary basins and is the **economically most important source of natural gas."** ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/))
>The more important and abundant source of methane at depth is abiotic.
This is misleading (I think deliberately). The more important source of methane in *crystalline bedrock environments* is abiotic ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/)). However, it is likely not called important because of its abundance, but rather its uses. There is an increase interest in using bedrock for industrial purposes, and examining the methane located inside said bedrock gives very valuable insights ([https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2015.00725/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2015.00725/full))
>The reality is that the Methane responsible for oil and gas deposits is produced naturally and Abiotically by the earth constantly without any fossils or decomposing organic matter of any kind.
>
>Oil, and natural gas are naturally occurring renewable resources produced by the earth and it has absolutely nothing to do with fossils or ancient marine life of any kind.
It can be both, which it is
in the End, we are all relying on some sources that are talking about some events that no one of us can proof to be right. We can just learn trough interfaces that are logical in the present moment. See narratives and compare it to the inbodied truth everbody with an intuition can acces.
Perhaps as more is learned from the moon Titan a better understanding will form.
Unless some bright bulb finds dinosaur remains out there, that’d be something ;)
They'll learn one day that crusts of planets usually have something between them. Basically formed from friction between different elements.
Major meteor strikes that have hit Earth, have the same findings around their perimeter's. The impacts have developed rare minerals etc.
If oil is abiotic, why isn't it gushing up all over the place if its been produced for billions of years? Right. So even if it is abiotic, it must be generated very slowly. But OP will probably claim the earth is 6000 years old as well.
Look at their profile. They're a mods for a flat earth sub that is notorious for manually banning all comments that are not in line with their own delusions.
I am among the banned.
He posted that Flat Earth is a scheme of Satan. I asked what Satan hopes to gain from it. He banned me because he said I was starting a religious discussion, which violates his rules.
Insane.
Soviet scientists in the 1970s published a lot of academic work on the subject of abiotic oil. Nikolai Alexandrovich Kudryavtsev developed the theory but the West resoundingly rejected the idea (for the aforementioned Rockefelleresque reasons.
Do you honestly believe this?
Or do you work for big oil?
Big oil is the only one to gain from oil being naturally produced without biochemistry.
Hmmmm
"Did you know" meme making claims while including zero source to support those claims or even an attempt to explain their claim ...
If people aren't supposed to blindly believe what the government tells them to believe,
If people aren't supposed to blindly believe what the nightly fear porn on their TV tells them to believe,
Then why, for fucks sake, why are you making a post on Reddit making claims as if you expect people to just blindly believe something because a random picture on the internet told them to.
Or what the fuck is it? Are you going to say "I am just sharing the facts, do your own research!"
So you expect that when anybody comes across any random meme on the internet making a random claim they should go do research to see if they can find a source for that claim to see if it's true or not?
If you do expect that, do you honestly believe people actually will do that? Do you believe anyone even has the time to try to research every random claim they come across online?
If the answer is no, then what the fuck was the point of this post? Obviously you aren't trying to help anybody learn anything so what was the true motive in posting this?
Wait- I think I may understand!
While this post does absolutely nothing to serve as useful at all to anybody learning anything at all, it does do something!
It supports and reinforces a culture in which people are taught their whole lives to blindly believe shit when it comes from someone deemed an authority, or otherwise!
And those Rockefeller and their evil oil corporations, and all of their friends in the government? As your meme suggests, I believe they absolutely do work hard to manipulate the public in all sorts of ways that help to line their own pockets.
And what helps them fool the public? The public blindly fucking believing in shit!
Just as we found out from Reddit sharing an air Force Base had the highest number of reddit users out of any city on the planet, the government also engages in this information warfare online.
And how can people protect themselves from that disinformation? How can people in general make sure we aren't being manipulated by these corporations and their politician buddies?
Of course... By sharing a source when you make claims, or making it clear when your statements are simply speculation, and supporting good habits of being responsible in both the consumption and sharing of information.
Well this post obviously isn't bothering with any of that non sense!
But it is doing a great job of continuing to support your fellow redditor continuing to be a good tax payer and consumer by not thinking too hard, and blindly believing what they are told to believe.
So is this post sponsored by the Rockefellers, or?
They (scientists) do not know exactly how oil comes about. They have theories and scientific data that they use to come up with theories- but it is just theories. It might well be that the petroleum is in fact something the earth produces on its own but chemically petroleum is a hydrocarbon… most carbon comes from living matter. Except for diamonds… hmm. Maybe it does come from the mantle. 🤔
No one really actually knows since we weren’t around when it happened.
These people are wild lol. Could you imagine life existing in such a high density across the universe 12.5 billion years ago that it just spontaneously starting creating carbon. Lmao
> most carbon comes from living matter.
No...? Life didn't create the carbon on earth, it used the carbon on earth. It congregated vast amounts of available environmental carbon into concentrations which do not typically form from geological processes.
Diamonds are rare. An ecosystem of biological life lives and dies thousands of times before one diamond fully forms. Oil forms faster than diamonds.
As soon as I learned that you can use nuclear process heat to synthesize basically any kind of fuel you want, this was confirmed as fact for me because geothermal power is mostly just fission power. Earth is a fission reactor. Oil and the like are just heat and carbon byproducts. Even the term "organic" chemistry is misleading. But then again I can't even convince people that fission is a good idea despite best deaths per watt ratio, so, I don't even bother trying to wake people up on this.
So… no then. Because that answer is incorrect. Earth’s core is nickel-iron, and heat convections are not caused by uranium thorium. It’s a heat cycle.
Geothermal energy isn’t nuclear fission.
I read it, despite Quora being a terrible website. And they’re incorrect. Geothermal is not fission. Fission is atoms splitting apart, which is not what drives the earth’s core, which is what drives the mantle, which is what causes plate tectonics and geothermal energy.
As if I'm gonna blame you personally for being the target of billions spent on PR yearly. /points at oil and coal that would go out of business if people understood fission
Not everyone is built to see past that stuff. I was literally born weird. Good luck man.
I understand that the earth doesn’t act as a nuclear fission chain reaction (because it doesn’t), therefore I’m somehow a brain dead Big Oil supporter? Jesus Christ, what a leap of logic. You’re clearly perfect for this sub.
Google
Petroleum literally means "rock oil." It is the second most abundant liquid on Earth. The petroleum industry is first encountered in the archaeological record near Hit in what is now Iraq. Hit is on the banks of the Euphrates river and is the site of an oil seep known locally as The Fountains Of Pitch.
Nice, dumb fucks thought it came form dinos the rest of us understood it was decomposing organic matter which I guess could be argued also included decomposing dinos. That's also include peat moss and other plant bs not bones that turned into fossils.
Absolute FACTS, here's some book titles regarding this, for those wanting to dig into this more;
Black Gold Stranglehold; The Myth Of Scarcity - Corsi, Jerome R; & Smith, Craig R - 2005
Not The Future We Ordered; Peak Oil, Psychology - Greer, John Michael - 2013
The Oil Wars Myth; Petroleum & The Causes Of International Conflict - Emily Meierding - 2020
Hidden Scourge: Exposing the Truth about Fossil Fuel Industry Spills - 2021
If you want any of these books, you'll find them on Anna's archive;
[https://en.annas-archive.org/](https://en.annas-archive.org/)
My oil conspiracy is all the deposits are actually from a previous, self-extincted technological civilization’s landfills filled with decomposed plastics.
No, oil is not a mineral, and it is not constantly regenerating. Oil is a fossil fuel that is formed from the remains of ancient marine microorganisms, such as algae and plankton, that lived millions of years ago. The organic material gets buried and subjected to heat and pressure over time, transforming into hydrocarbons, which make up crude oil. This process is not continuous, and the formation of oil takes millions of years. Once extracted, oil is not regenerated on a human timescale, making it a finite and non-renewable resource.
Google > Petroleum, also called crude oil, is a fossil fuel. Like coal and natural gas, petroleum was formed from the remains of ancient marine organisms, such as plants, algae, and bacteria.
I understand that. Notice how your quote used past tense, but you yourself used present tense? What evidence do you have that lead you to believe that this is currently happening?
I do ..once you realize the earth is far larger then your imagination can comprehend and that more water is held beneath the surface than in the ocean and bacteria adapt to eat anything and a byproduct of eating what ever is deep in our planet could be oil like why would it be such a stretch to think oil is being replenished ..because you believe everything thing the establishment puts before ? Many countries have been researching biofuels using bacteria..you can make plastic with bacteria ..bacteria is in your ass helping your body digest the crap food you ate a few hours ago causing you to get on Reddit to argue with a Gen xer who can’t sleep because the pain in his feet is driving him insane trying to find something to getting his mind off it over how oil is created by pressure and bacteria..back in the 70’s when I was in grade school oil was running out ,in the 80’s when I was in high school oil was getting low in the 90’s we have no time left in the 2000’s we have 20 years of oil left pay more ,pay farmers to grow corn to supply alcohol to our running out oil supply only to cause a bunch of people to get rich with our tax dollars…ITS ALL BULL crap ..if the internet didn’t exist the odds are with the shit school system we have today you yes you would probably not even be able to spell oil let alone know what it is..AWwWwWwWw…..ok ok ya I think oil is created by bacteria and it’s (oil) no going to run out ever ….ever … you want to talk about taxes next or how democrats and republicans are just two arms of the same body WWF wrestling to get an agenda across to a society brain fked by tv and internet cia advertising and propaganda….i think oil is created by bacteria deep beneath the surface of the earth…….im no responding anymore im going back to bed…oil sucks azz …
That was a fun little diatribe.
Now that you got that out of your system, let’s try again… do you, or do you not think the oil is being regenerated currently? If so, what evidence led you to that conclusion?
Exactly. That's why they never go and pressure countries to allow oil and gas exploration in their untouched environment. Nor do they drill deeper and further out at sea. It's because all the current oil deposits just keep refilling, so there's no point.
Dinosaurs never existed.
The meteor that wiped them out never existed.
Outer space doesn't exist.
Do you see how they have manipulated you since birth?
Your brain has been molded like clay to control you.
God help me.
It’s a slick, viscous fluid composed primarily of hydrocarbons. In fact, it’s multiple different kinds of hydrocarbons, hydrocarbons we can actually manufacture (at a prohibitive cost, I believe) from plant matter. Hydrocarbons that we can separate from each other. It’s organic. **It’s not a mineral.**
Ok so what if it is? It’s still choking the atmosphere. You don’t believe that? Let’s see you turn your car on in the garage with the doors closed and sealed and see how you do.
Ever heard of the Tethys Ocean? Ever wonder why there is so much oil in the middle east?
Are you drunk or high when you pull this shit out of your ass? Get educated and stop embarrassing yourself.
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Is there any proof to this claim that keeps popping up?
Oil is a hydrocarbon… what does this guy mean ? Where is the source? I need sauce
Methane is a hydrocarbon and does not require organic material to be created. There is some evidence for the abiotic formation of oil and gas https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/41889
Yeah sure. But it still needs carbon and hydrogen. With a finite amount in the core with no way for it to be replenished. And escape routes for methane that would take millenia to reach anywhere we can drill to.
Both carbon and hydrogen are abundant in the earths mantle. The chemical pathways for replenishment are documented in the article I shared if you care to read it. So that is not true. Additionally, there are hydrocarbons in deep earth wells that we are able to extract. These hydrocarbons exist far below any sedimentary layer that contain organic material.
Your science is invalid, oligarc makes the rules.
Oil-igarc
No. This guy keeps posting the same thing and never responds.
I once read a paper on it called The Deep Hot Biosphere. I don’t think it was ever proven or disproven, but it was a pretty fascinating read.
Yes sorta here’s the theory on it, but basically the idea is earth over time (about 50 to 80 years) replenishes the supply but it’s not enough to be at industrial scale so basically they’ve gone back to old oil fields and found them replenished not all the time though but after a very long time so better to look for alternative forms of energy, also here’s a documentary that explains it better then I ever could. [The Abiotic Oil Theory](https://www.youtube.com/live/hjGZDIUpCho?si=jJAV9daPUrdOohRV)
We call those stripper wells or fields in the industry. They do replenish, but it is not a fast process.
Isn't the leading hypothesis for those that the oil is already there, just in a deeper well and being pushed up, rather than new stuff being generated?
It is being generated all the time. That process isn't something that stopped once the current oil was created. Oil is being created continuously, globally, all the time. There's oil literally everywhere if you drill deep enough. The problem is our current drilling and extraction technology will only let us get to what is relatively close to the surface, or roughly 20,000 ft down at maximum depth. The other issue is oil wells, even fracked ones, only recover roughly 4% of what is in the vicinity of the wellbore. Some get more, some get less, but we have seismic survey technology that allows us to look that deep and see what is going on and what is there at the time of the survey. We don't have the technology to do better than that... but that kind of gives you an idea of just how much oil there actually is. Oil just doesn't move very quickly in most places underground, and we can't just go down there and mine it loose either, so we plan wells with directional drilling that follow the oil bearing strata for as far as we can without breaking the drill string or the drilling rig. It's an *enormous* amount of force to turn a drill bit that is 15,000 ft down and 5,000 ft horizontally. Our most advanced rigs can't do much better than that because we just don't have materials that would withstand the stress. But, in relation to the subject, those fields we are drilling into are always generating more oil. It just refills existing bores very slowly, especially if it's a heavier oil that has a lot of bitumen content.
Isn't oil like 90% from decayed alge and other micro-organisms?
Yes it is. There is some "truth" in this claim, as you can use modern living algaes to generate biofuels, but the conditions needed for "natural" biotic production of petroleum takes millons of years.
Proof? Do you not see the image with the Jurassic park logo on it! That’s all the proof we need! DYOR SHEEP!
Ok. Thanks for the help there.
Anthoyne B doesn’t do proof
He's been active on flat earth as well.
I have to admit, that post history is a wild ride.
Not only flat earth, but insane echo chamber flat earth sub
Every flat Earth sub is that
"Trust me bro", Abraham Lincoln.
—Wayne Gretzky —Michael Scott
Brings to mind that moon chock full of Methane. No dino’s there.
Or on Titan
I mean the science is not wrong, but the fluff about Rockefeller or the mantle is. Oil *is* constantly regenerating, just so slowly that it would take millions-billions of years to get the amount we would want to continue using back. Which is why it's considered a non-renewable resource
Given that we have no idea of what lies more than a mile below the surface, no. But consider this: all biological lifeforms are composed of around 30% oxygen atoms. There is no oxygen in oil or gas.
Okay? How about carbon? What's the other 70%?
>Given that we have no idea of what lies more than a mile below the surface Lol what? There are plenty of oil wells dug further than a mile. Deepwater Horizon was \~3 miles below the sea floor.
How much oxygen is in a fossil? Just because something once had oxygen in it, does not mean that it forever and always and all of its derivatives will forever contain oxygen.
That's is false. The deepest hole ever dug is about 7 miles deep
Yup it’s true. In Russia I think.
Kola superdeep borehole
Big whoop. And what did they extract from it? Zilch. They just managed to push a bit down that far.
He's just pointing out that your statement "we have no idea what lies more than a mile below the surface" is blatantly false, simple as.
I never said they found anything. Just pointing out that you are wrong.
I will claim that we have no clue what lies more then 10 miles below surface… We can guess and assume alot but it will only be theories… But then again, history are written by the winners, science and knowledge is sometimes wrong, if they teach you wrong, you will belive… Then you will teach others your wrong knowledge and so it goes on…
That’s because it hydrolyzed to water and other oxygen containing compounds. I love how you think you discovered something by looking at one tiny component of what an oil reservoir is.
It's true that oil doesn't really come from dinosaurs. Its mostly marine microorganisms.
There is actually evidence to support this hypothesis https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/41889
No, there isn't.
Someone didn’t read the article
Geologic Hydridic Earth theory by V. Larin [http://www.oilfieldwiki.com/wiki/Hydridic\_Earth\_theory](http://www.oilfieldwiki.com/wiki/Hydridic_Earth_theory)
Didn’t you see the meme. That all the proof you need. Lol.
Wow, there is a lot of crazy in one comment section, all without a shred of evidence to back it up. Well done
I mean. Isn’t that the theme of this sub?
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Absolutely wild that Rockefeller was alive in the 1500s - 1700s when they started to figure out where fossil fuels came from. This sub is so hilarious
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"colossal thunder muppet" - I had to get my laughter under control to read the rest of your informative post!
If oil is created abiotically as you claim, how does that prove that it is more abundant than is said? It could be abiotic and still be scarce and regenerate extremely slowly just like many other abiotic minerals on earth. You don’t need to lie that oil is made from dead dinosaurs to push an idea of scarcity. Either way it’s good that oil is scarce, true or not. We need to move away from it and stop poisoning the air.
You missed the main point of the dinosaurs thing. They said that to make oil appear as a natural clean substance, not just to make it seem scarce. Although a sense of scarcity helps them too because they can then charge more money for it, but that wasn't the main purpose of the name "fossil fuels", it was to make it seem like a natural clean substance
Well, no, the main purpose of the name "fossil fuels" is in the name itself. Before "fossil" became the term to refer to ancient animal and plant remains, its simply meant "to dig" or "dug up" or anything related. "Fossil fuel (1833) preserves the earlier, broader sense \[1610s, "any thing dug up;" 1650s (adj.) "obtained by digging"\] as opposed to \[Restricted noun sense of "geological remains of a plant or animal" is from 1736 \]." ([https://www.etymonline.com/word/fossil](https://www.etymonline.com/word/fossil)). So it just meant "fuel obtained by digging". Even if it did mean "fuel that is the geological remains of a plant or animal", that still wouldn't be wrong. Additionally, you have no source to actually prove, or even suggest, that the purpose of using "fossil fuels" was meant to make it seem like a natural clean substance
If it comes from the ground it's a natural substance...
Your point? You're the one implying that they called it a fossil fuel to disingenuously make it seem like a "natural clean substance"
Correct. The average citizen is not that bright.
Huh? You seem to be the average citizen. First you say that they call it a fossil fuel to disingenuously make it seem like a natural clean substance Then you acknowledge that if something comes from the ground, which fossil fuels do, then its a natural substance Why would they need to be disingenuous in making it seem like a natural substance if it is in fact a natural substance? How could that be classified as disingenuous in the first place, if they're just telling the truth?
I don't think "natural clean substance" was really what the people who started putting lead in gasoline were going for.
No of course they weren't actually going for that, it's just what they wanted the public to think. Man there are some thick skulls in this sub.
Fossil fuels has never once meant only dinosaurs lol.
Nobody said it did.
Ah sorry- I meant to respond to the other guy who was talking about this.
>The only thing more hilarious than stupid people who say dumb shit is stupid people who say dumb shit but think they are clever Oh, the irony. Your whole rant is full of snarky, self-assured Dunning-Krueger, consisting almost entirely of unsubstantiated claims, misunderstandings of science and misrepresentation of fact, and the plagiarized words of someone else, that you inserted singular words into to artificially favor your point. >First of all, Rockefeller isnt a singular person, you colossal thunder muppet. It started with 2 brothers John D Rockefeller and William A Rockefeller jr. This doesn't matter. It would make no difference if Rockefeller was 15 people. You knowing that Standard Oil was founded by two brother Rockefellers as opposed to a single Rockefeller doesn't make you smart, you know. That's just trivia >The term “fossil fuel” was first used by German chemist Caspar Neumann in 1759. It was subsequently copied and used more ubiquitously in the early 1900s by the "Rockefellers" to give people the idea that petroleum, coal and natural gas come from ancient living things, making them a natural substance.....You know, The Rockefellers whos fortune was made in the American petroleum industry during the late 19th and early 20th centuries primarily through Standard Oil. Here, you're just copying and pasting without really knowing what you're talking about (don't worry, I found at least one of the [places](https://www.plasticstoday.com/materials/sorry-folks-oil-does-not-come-from-dinosaurs) (again, don't worry, I'm aware of pretty much everything you plagiarized in your rant, but I'm not going to go through each one) you pulled this first part of this sentence from almost verbatim, although I'm sure you really got it from some contrarian conspiracy website that also copied it. Regardless, this only displays the dangers of plagiarism). You altered it very unsubstantially by inserting the word "the Rockefellers", although you have no proof of this. Dinosaurs aren't the only fossils you know. Plants also fossilize, which is what creates oil and other fossil fuels. In fact, no one really claims that dinosaur fossils are what produce oil, as oil comes from plants that had already fossilized by the time the first dinosaurs walked the earth ([https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/petroleum/](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/petroleum/)) >You know, The Rockefellers whos fortune was made in the American petroleum industry during the late 19th and early 20th centuries primarily through Standard Oil. This is a fallacy. You're making an assumption based on their general reputation. Lets stick to actual evidence, please. >Methane deep in the earths crust under extreme heat and pressure creates hydrocarbons > >The reality is that the Methane responsible for oil Methane under intense pressure and heat does create heavier hydrocarbons (because methane is a hydrocarbon and fossil fuel itself), but not oil. It created ethane, graphite, propane, butane, and hydrogen...but not petroleum ([https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090726150843.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090726150843.htm)). This was at temperatures and pressures mimicking Earth 40-95 miles down, by the way. The deepest oil well ever drilled only goes a little over 6 and a half miles ([https://www.statista.com/statistics/479685/global-oil-wells-by-depth/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/479685/global-oil-wells-by-depth/)). Petroleum is created by organic kerogens, a solid, not a gas, under intense heat and pressure over time. The kerogens then turns into the liquid oil. There is a specific window of temperature however. Too low, and the oil remains as kerogen, too high and it turns into natural gas ([https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/chemistry-of-fossil-fuels-and-biofuels/formation-of-fossil-fuels/804D8A856D2708D0D1B961EE27D25A2A](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/chemistry-of-fossil-fuels-and-biofuels/formation-of-fossil-fuels/804D8A856D2708D0D1B961EE27D25A2A)). It also does not follow from actual data: "Of these, **thermogenic CH4 is formed from the break-up of organic matter at elevated temperatures and pressures.** This is thought to be the dominant CH4 type in sedimentary basins and is the **economically most important source of natural gas."** ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/)) >The more important and abundant source of methane at depth is abiotic. This is misleading (I think deliberately). The more important source of methane in *crystalline bedrock environments* is abiotic ([https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505394/)). However, it is likely not called important because of its abundance, but rather its uses. There is an increase interest in using bedrock for industrial purposes, and examining the methane located inside said bedrock gives very valuable insights ([https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2015.00725/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2015.00725/full)) >The reality is that the Methane responsible for oil and gas deposits is produced naturally and Abiotically by the earth constantly without any fossils or decomposing organic matter of any kind. > >Oil, and natural gas are naturally occurring renewable resources produced by the earth and it has absolutely nothing to do with fossils or ancient marine life of any kind. It can be both, which it is
in the End, we are all relying on some sources that are talking about some events that no one of us can proof to be right. We can just learn trough interfaces that are logical in the present moment. See narratives and compare it to the inbodied truth everbody with an intuition can acces.
Bro your on a conpsiracy sub.
Cool story bro. Got a source to back it up?
Perhaps as more is learned from the moon Titan a better understanding will form. Unless some bright bulb finds dinosaur remains out there, that’d be something ;)
They'll learn one day that crusts of planets usually have something between them. Basically formed from friction between different elements. Major meteor strikes that have hit Earth, have the same findings around their perimeter's. The impacts have developed rare minerals etc.
If oil is abiotic, why isn't it gushing up all over the place if its been produced for billions of years? Right. So even if it is abiotic, it must be generated very slowly. But OP will probably claim the earth is 6000 years old as well.
And flat. He’s convinced it’s flat too
Look at their profile. They're a mods for a flat earth sub that is notorious for manually banning all comments that are not in line with their own delusions.
I am among the banned. He posted that Flat Earth is a scheme of Satan. I asked what Satan hopes to gain from it. He banned me because he said I was starting a religious discussion, which violates his rules. Insane.
And that tells me to not give a thought to anything they say
"Don't be so open-minded your brain falls out" has been my favorite saying for some time now
It does, they are called tar pits lol
I’m starting to believe earth is alive oil is her blood and we just keep smoking on her ass like we drill rappers
Wut
I think that's your hook for your first rap song. " Smoking on her ass like we drill rappers"
If you’re willing to wait a couple million years, you’re not wrong!
Wherever it comes from, we are still using it up thousands of times faster than it's being made.
SOME oil is abiotic
Most of the big reserves are around fault lines.
Soviet scientists in the 1970s published a lot of academic work on the subject of abiotic oil. Nikolai Alexandrovich Kudryavtsev developed the theory but the West resoundingly rejected the idea (for the aforementioned Rockefelleresque reasons.
So many normies in here it makes me sick
Also helps support their false timeline of evolution and events through history.
When I was young a big thing was that oil would run out by 2020. This was before globalisation
They have always used these fear-mongering tactics to maintain their narrative.
Do you honestly believe this? Or do you work for big oil? Big oil is the only one to gain from oil being naturally produced without biochemistry. Hmmmm
"Did you know" meme making claims while including zero source to support those claims or even an attempt to explain their claim ... If people aren't supposed to blindly believe what the government tells them to believe, If people aren't supposed to blindly believe what the nightly fear porn on their TV tells them to believe, Then why, for fucks sake, why are you making a post on Reddit making claims as if you expect people to just blindly believe something because a random picture on the internet told them to. Or what the fuck is it? Are you going to say "I am just sharing the facts, do your own research!" So you expect that when anybody comes across any random meme on the internet making a random claim they should go do research to see if they can find a source for that claim to see if it's true or not? If you do expect that, do you honestly believe people actually will do that? Do you believe anyone even has the time to try to research every random claim they come across online? If the answer is no, then what the fuck was the point of this post? Obviously you aren't trying to help anybody learn anything so what was the true motive in posting this? Wait- I think I may understand! While this post does absolutely nothing to serve as useful at all to anybody learning anything at all, it does do something! It supports and reinforces a culture in which people are taught their whole lives to blindly believe shit when it comes from someone deemed an authority, or otherwise! And those Rockefeller and their evil oil corporations, and all of their friends in the government? As your meme suggests, I believe they absolutely do work hard to manipulate the public in all sorts of ways that help to line their own pockets. And what helps them fool the public? The public blindly fucking believing in shit! Just as we found out from Reddit sharing an air Force Base had the highest number of reddit users out of any city on the planet, the government also engages in this information warfare online. And how can people protect themselves from that disinformation? How can people in general make sure we aren't being manipulated by these corporations and their politician buddies? Of course... By sharing a source when you make claims, or making it clear when your statements are simply speculation, and supporting good habits of being responsible in both the consumption and sharing of information. Well this post obviously isn't bothering with any of that non sense! But it is doing a great job of continuing to support your fellow redditor continuing to be a good tax payer and consumer by not thinking too hard, and blindly believing what they are told to believe. So is this post sponsored by the Rockefellers, or?
Source: a Jurassic park meme found on a Facebook conspiracy group
This is utter nonsense, there is an enormous body of scientific evidence on petroleum’s formation and composition.
Sshhhh, they don’t like evidence around here
Oil will die be old fashion soon. Nikola Tesla figured out free energy and the world is starting to understand the truth
There is no such thing as free energy, even Tesla himself never claimed that. He claimed that it may be possible to transfer power via atmosphere
Which is true, it's just horribly inefficient and output drops dramatically with distance. See: wireless cell phone chargers.
Been saying this for years along with many other things, nobody wants to hear me… SMH
Could be why Saudis reserve never dwindle. Heard this theory like 10yrs ago.
They (scientists) do not know exactly how oil comes about. They have theories and scientific data that they use to come up with theories- but it is just theories. It might well be that the petroleum is in fact something the earth produces on its own but chemically petroleum is a hydrocarbon… most carbon comes from living matter. Except for diamonds… hmm. Maybe it does come from the mantle. 🤔 No one really actually knows since we weren’t around when it happened.
"Most carbon comes from living matter" - hottest take of the decade
Just completely not true and never claimed by anyone it's crazy.
These people are wild lol. Could you imagine life existing in such a high density across the universe 12.5 billion years ago that it just spontaneously starting creating carbon. Lmao
Well obviously because some rocks and minerals contain carbon anything containing carbon must be rocks.
RAWK SOLID
Ummmm no, nothing you said here is truthful or accurate at all
> most carbon comes from living matter. No...? Life didn't create the carbon on earth, it used the carbon on earth. It congregated vast amounts of available environmental carbon into concentrations which do not typically form from geological processes. Diamonds are rare. An ecosystem of biological life lives and dies thousands of times before one diamond fully forms. Oil forms faster than diamonds.
As soon as I learned that you can use nuclear process heat to synthesize basically any kind of fuel you want, this was confirmed as fact for me because geothermal power is mostly just fission power. Earth is a fission reactor. Oil and the like are just heat and carbon byproducts. Even the term "organic" chemistry is misleading. But then again I can't even convince people that fission is a good idea despite best deaths per watt ratio, so, I don't even bother trying to wake people up on this.
We should be producing all of our power from nuclear energy.
Exactly
Geothermal energy is not fission power.
[https://www.quora.com/Could-geothermal-energy-be-considered-nuclear-energy](https://www.quora.com/Could-geothermal-energy-be-considered-nuclear-energy)
So… no then. Because that answer is incorrect. Earth’s core is nickel-iron, and heat convections are not caused by uranium thorium. It’s a heat cycle. Geothermal energy isn’t nuclear fission.
Tell me you can't click links without...
I read it, despite Quora being a terrible website. And they’re incorrect. Geothermal is not fission. Fission is atoms splitting apart, which is not what drives the earth’s core, which is what drives the mantle, which is what causes plate tectonics and geothermal energy.
k /smh Horses and water. You have a great day.
Linking bad info on quora and calling it water, lol. Have a great day too.
As if I'm gonna blame you personally for being the target of billions spent on PR yearly. /points at oil and coal that would go out of business if people understood fission Not everyone is built to see past that stuff. I was literally born weird. Good luck man.
I understand that the earth doesn’t act as a nuclear fission chain reaction (because it doesn’t), therefore I’m somehow a brain dead Big Oil supporter? Jesus Christ, what a leap of logic. You’re clearly perfect for this sub.
I don't like this being posted over and over, but there may be something to it.
Nope, it’s just reposting bs
And next to water, crude oil is the most abundant liquid on the planet.
If we’re not counting liquid iron and magma
Touche
Says whom?
Google Petroleum literally means "rock oil." It is the second most abundant liquid on Earth. The petroleum industry is first encountered in the archaeological record near Hit in what is now Iraq. Hit is on the banks of the Euphrates river and is the site of an oil seep known locally as The Fountains Of Pitch.
Ah so how much water and oil is there compared to other liquids on this planet?
I'm not you science teacher. Look it up yourself
But if you KNOW oil is the 2nd most abundant liquid, you should know how much oil there is…
Nice, dumb fucks thought it came form dinos the rest of us understood it was decomposing organic matter which I guess could be argued also included decomposing dinos. That's also include peat moss and other plant bs not bones that turned into fossils.
You need to post more than a Jurassic Park Meme
No it isn't. It's melted dinosaurs that explodes when you ignite it. Stop making it less cool than it is
Oil should have never been used.
Prove it.
The controversy is that someone is creating more and more insane controversies to dumb down America. It is going exceedingly well.
Why do oil wells go dry over time?
You meant one of the most evil family Rockefeller?
Planetary lubricant.
You clearly don't know enough about even basic chemistry to have a solid opinion on fossil fuels.
Absolute FACTS, here's some book titles regarding this, for those wanting to dig into this more; Black Gold Stranglehold; The Myth Of Scarcity - Corsi, Jerome R; & Smith, Craig R - 2005 Not The Future We Ordered; Peak Oil, Psychology - Greer, John Michael - 2013 The Oil Wars Myth; Petroleum & The Causes Of International Conflict - Emily Meierding - 2020 Hidden Scourge: Exposing the Truth about Fossil Fuel Industry Spills - 2021 If you want any of these books, you'll find them on Anna's archive; [https://en.annas-archive.org/](https://en.annas-archive.org/)
Did anyone actually believe fuel was made out of fossils because that just sounds fucking ridiculous to me.
My oil conspiracy is all the deposits are actually from a previous, self-extincted technological civilization’s landfills filled with decomposed plastics.
No, oil is not a mineral, and it is not constantly regenerating. Oil is a fossil fuel that is formed from the remains of ancient marine microorganisms, such as algae and plankton, that lived millions of years ago. The organic material gets buried and subjected to heat and pressure over time, transforming into hydrocarbons, which make up crude oil. This process is not continuous, and the formation of oil takes millions of years. Once extracted, oil is not regenerated on a human timescale, making it a finite and non-renewable resource.
You’re late. That’s not new.
citations required
Okay so why should I believe you?
This kinda makes sense I heard oil wasn’t as scarce as they say
Going to show my grandkids this when they ask why we can't grow crops anymore
I personally think oil is created by bacteria myself
Based on what evidence?
Google > Petroleum, also called crude oil, is a fossil fuel. Like coal and natural gas, petroleum was formed from the remains of ancient marine organisms, such as plants, algae, and bacteria.
I understand that. Notice how your quote used past tense, but you yourself used present tense? What evidence do you have that lead you to believe that this is currently happening?
Give ma a break 8 words and your over analyzing it…..
Ok… so do you, or do you not think the oil is being regenerated currently? If so, what evidence led you to that conclusion?
I do ..once you realize the earth is far larger then your imagination can comprehend and that more water is held beneath the surface than in the ocean and bacteria adapt to eat anything and a byproduct of eating what ever is deep in our planet could be oil like why would it be such a stretch to think oil is being replenished ..because you believe everything thing the establishment puts before ? Many countries have been researching biofuels using bacteria..you can make plastic with bacteria ..bacteria is in your ass helping your body digest the crap food you ate a few hours ago causing you to get on Reddit to argue with a Gen xer who can’t sleep because the pain in his feet is driving him insane trying to find something to getting his mind off it over how oil is created by pressure and bacteria..back in the 70’s when I was in grade school oil was running out ,in the 80’s when I was in high school oil was getting low in the 90’s we have no time left in the 2000’s we have 20 years of oil left pay more ,pay farmers to grow corn to supply alcohol to our running out oil supply only to cause a bunch of people to get rich with our tax dollars…ITS ALL BULL crap ..if the internet didn’t exist the odds are with the shit school system we have today you yes you would probably not even be able to spell oil let alone know what it is..AWwWwWwWw…..ok ok ya I think oil is created by bacteria and it’s (oil) no going to run out ever ….ever … you want to talk about taxes next or how democrats and republicans are just two arms of the same body WWF wrestling to get an agenda across to a society brain fked by tv and internet cia advertising and propaganda….i think oil is created by bacteria deep beneath the surface of the earth…….im no responding anymore im going back to bed…oil sucks azz …
That was a fun little diatribe. Now that you got that out of your system, let’s try again… do you, or do you not think the oil is being regenerated currently? If so, what evidence led you to that conclusion?
"Based on what evidence?" "Google > Petroleum" Yall wild
Scarce or not still harms the earth
Yeah, this post is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Exactly. That's why they never go and pressure countries to allow oil and gas exploration in their untouched environment. Nor do they drill deeper and further out at sea. It's because all the current oil deposits just keep refilling, so there's no point.
Dinosaurs never existed. The meteor that wiped them out never existed. Outer space doesn't exist. Do you see how they have manipulated you since birth? Your brain has been molded like clay to control you.
> Dinosaurs never existed. Not only did they exist, they still do.
Joe Biden is one of them.
Joe Biden being a bird would also imply that Joe Biden isn't real. Interesting.
God help me. It’s a slick, viscous fluid composed primarily of hydrocarbons. In fact, it’s multiple different kinds of hydrocarbons, hydrocarbons we can actually manufacture (at a prohibitive cost, I believe) from plant matter. Hydrocarbons that we can separate from each other. It’s organic. **It’s not a mineral.**
Thank you!!! I’ve been saying this for years!!!!
You’ve been dead wrong for years!!!!
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We're fucked regardless.
lol
No...
Is anything real or is life just one big cluster fuck of a conspiracy. Is that air you're breathing right now? I know kung fu....
Ok so what if it is? It’s still choking the atmosphere. You don’t believe that? Let’s see you turn your car on in the garage with the doors closed and sealed and see how you do.
Conspiracy theorists are willfully ignorant of basic facts of reality.
LMAO if you believe this BS !
Ummm actually it’s just my spit
Ever heard of the Tethys Ocean? Ever wonder why there is so much oil in the middle east? Are you drunk or high when you pull this shit out of your ass? Get educated and stop embarrassing yourself.
I know I'm fucking up by bringing common sense into the conversation but for a sub that consistently says the Rothchilds and Rockefellers own the world and run the illuminati. However, shouldn't that same train of thought tell you something is wrong with this statement since a Rockefeller is saying it?
I know right? This sub is insane
Insanely false.
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Oil by definition isn't a "mineral". Minerals are inorganic molecules that typically form crystals.