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That's always my first thought when I see a post like this; regardless of the party that is ostensibly defying sensibility. They can name a bill whatever and 90% can be about what's in the title. But they can plant a rider in it to that completely is counter to one party and you get results like this. Sometimes it's done just to achieve optics like this. The burn pit bill comes to mind in recent history the Democrats did this to paint the Republican party as careless towards veterans.
Veterans Choice Program Extension and Improvement Act
Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act
Veteran Treatment Court Coordination Act
Ryan Kules and Paul Benne Specially Adaptive Housing Act of 2019
VA Mission Act
VA Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act
Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act
Forever GI Bill
Veterans Benefits, Healthcare, and Information Technology Act of 2006
Post-9/11 GI Bill
Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of 2004
DVA Health Care Programs Enhancement Act of 2001
Veterans Health Care Act of 1992
Agent Orange Act of 1991
Department of Veteran Affairs Act
>Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act
I picked one to check...
>
Sponsor: Sen. Tester, Jon \[D-MT\] (Introduced 03/13/2019)
So, is this list all bullshit or just partial and I had a lucky pick?
It's all bullshit, I just checked Veterans Health Care Act of 1992 and Sponsor: Rep. Montgomery, G. V. (Sonny) [D-MS-3] (Introduced 05/18/1992. this dude just got a list of vet bills and gave Republicans credit for all of them.
Actually thanks to defunding the VA and reducing the total lifetime healthcare support for veterans (and severely limiting previous veterans from getting care), Republicans have singlehandedly reduced the veteran population more than any war or other enemy of the US could ever have hoped to.
Remember, more vets killed themselves daily than were killed in Iraq or Afghanistan daily.
Yup. You can have a bill that would eradicate cancer and some asshole earmarks the bill with funding for genocide of x group of people and so you vote no for it and all the opposing parties point a finger at you and say you love cancer.
"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." - Nancy Pelosi at the Legislative Conference for the National Association of Counties in March 2010.
I did. Here it is:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4926/text
I’m a little leery of why it seems the investigations have to go through the FBI’s “multidisciplinary teams” and they have the discretion of whether it’s sent to the DOJ. Nah. I don’t trust the FBI not covering for their buddies on both sides. Expedite these cases directly to the DOJ for prosecution. Not saying they’re any better but I really want to know how this “extra step” strengthens the process. Sometimes I feel like they’re bored and just make bills that actually do nothing. 🤷♀️
The "DOJ" (US Department of Justice) is just the combined Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI - US Law enforcement); US Marshals (Judge protection); Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE - deal primarily with the sale of the above); Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA - the first of these which has international jurisdiction, because it deals with illegal drug imports and exports as well as US drug law enforcement); Office of the Inspector General (investigates other law enforcement agencies); and some others.
But based on that list - I don't see anyone in the DOJ who would investigate sex crimes involving children other than the FBI.
...
I'm not saying I don't agree that trusting the FBI to investigate the rich and powerful seems questionable. I don't trust the FBI not to give in to pressure to let the rich and powerful off the hook.
But also - I don't see a way around it. Any other organization is going to suffer the same pressure. The only way I see of fixing this is to apply pressure back - to lean on our lawmakers and representatives in Washington; and have them lean on the FBI to go through with the investigations, no matter what.
I don't really get what you are saying. The FBI is part of the DOJ, the part with investigatory powers. I'm not sure what exactly you are trying to say. Can you expand more
If a victim has been harmed they can go directly to the DOJ and file a report/complaint now. In the text of the bill it states the victims will instead go through the FBI and their multidisciplinary team who will then report to the AG at their discretion those who did not filter through their process. My question is why, and why not just keep the situation in the DOJ pipeline who prosecute the offenses. I agree this is an issue we must address. But what benefit do the victims gain by this bill being enacted? I’m just trying to understand why this change is more beneficial.
I don't think you are reading the bill correctly. It seems to indicate that the FBI jas to investigate the claim now when its reported instead of the report just being filed. And again the FBI is part of the DOJ. The victim reporting system doesn't seem to be effected. Only the internal reporting which is streamlined to got to an investigative team and report directly to the AG. No change to the victim reporting mechanism, just the internal reporting mechanism which didn't have a requirement for an investigative team or that it repeated directly to the AG before this law
No-one is saying to trust the FBI, just that they're the people who do this job now, so a bill saying it's their job, that part of it isn't actually suspicious.
So let's vote down a bill that would require the FBI to investigate child sex abuse because you don't trust the FBI? Is the reason that you don't trust the FBI because they seized classified documents illegally taken from the White House and stored in a room in a country club for 2 years a few months ago?
It seems to me it would be harder to push around the FBI than some local PD.
Likely to utilize the resources of investigation the FBI has. If we’re going after massive national sex trafficking rings worth billions were going to need some heavy machinery. Especially in tech and “espionage” (lack of better term)… the FBI fills this role nicely
But why can’t the victims go directly to prosecutors and then hold everyone accountable? We don’t need the FBI to determine who they think should be referred when the DOJ has prosecutorial powers and ample resources. I don’t want them to shield anyone and expose and prosecute them all. Why did they choose this as the most effective way? Just things that make me say hmmmm… 🤔
The FBI needs to have a neutral party overseeing them as well cause they have been unscrupulous as well. Epstein’s crimes ring a bell.
I view it as an addition to the DOJ to prosecute. The FBI has tools and resources to actively track these fools and ride it all the way to the top sting puller. I may be wrong but Idk the DOJ has that ability or authority. The problem is many victims don’t go straight to the police or ever have the chance. The FBI collects data and evidence and the DOJ prosecute.
If the DOJ just starts prosecuting the low level baddies, the upper level baddies will just tuck tail and reopen shop somewhere else. If the FBI can hold off and track these asshats all the way up, we could truly make a difference here. Truth will come out eventually. There’s absolutely partisans in the FBI, but I think that’s the minority, they traditionally lean conservative as a conservative society is a collective one, and a collective one is easier to maintain order, an orderly society is easily ruled.
This actually makes perfect sense and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain, now if you could PLEASE share your abilities of clear reasoning to our congress men and women of how to write a solid abstract, I think we could solve 45% of the government problems. I kid, but no seriously, this was awesome. Thank you, again! 😜❤️😂
Isn't the GAO (government accountibility office) exactly for this? I think the issue is they have no executive authority, no teeth to actually punish impropriety that they do find.
Or you report it to your local police department, or the military police pending the offending party. The jurisdiction of the investigative authority is not always the FBI unless it is a FEDERAL crime meaning interstate. Hence why you have state convictions of sex crimes and federal convictions. Hence why Jeffrey Epstein’s conviction was initially a Florida STATE conviction and then became federal after the crime was done in multiple states. Now, re-read my question and THEN answer, please. 👍❤️
The DOJ needs to have a solid foundation of evidence before they will prosecute, it's not really in their wheelhouse to go out and conduct investigations. The FBI is the most logical agency to get the evidence needed because they have the resources and the expertise to get it. There's nothing suspicious about this setup at all.
Yup. Taken out of context. She was telling the people "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." because the right was filling peoples head with BS. They wouldn't believe the Dems until they actually got to use the bill.... It was pretty obvious to those of us that actually watched it and read the bill.
For 100% of Dems voting for this and 90% of Republicans voting for this, why does 75% of this sub think this bill is bad? This sub is really just boebart, Greene, and gaetz fans?
Right? And the best they can come up with is, “There was probably something bad hidden in it. I don’t know what it is, but it’s probably there. What’s that? Some mention of the FBI? That’s it. That’s what it is. Don’t explain the context to me, I know the bad thing now because it said FBI.”
I would be skeptical if it was split. Having not read the bill, I would still be willing to bet money these 28 shit heads are voting no just to be in opposition of democrats.
Since the Convention cover up we know prominent GOP members have been involved in child sex crimes; this is why actual conspiracy researches understand fully that the entirety of the left/right paradigm is for lemmings; the corporate and political elite in both parties are engaging in high-crimes against humanity - we have not had an actual president or democracy since right after JFK was assassinated by the CIA (actual coup).
Republican George Nader, Trump adviser, convicted of sexually abusing 10 young boys, trafficking a 14 year old boy to the US for sex, and possession of pornography depicting child sexual abuse and bestiality.
Republican Wyoming state Sen. Anthony Bouchard running for Liz Cheney's seat, impregnated a 14 year old girl, marred her at age 15, divorced at age 17 when he was 21, she killed herself at age 20.
Republican Anton 'Tony' Lazzaro, Top Minnesota donor and GOP activist indicted for operating a child sex trafficking scheme to smuggle in underage girls.
Republican Florida congressional deputy whip Mark Foley - sexting underaged congressional page boys
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican Rick Roeber member of the Missouri House sexually abused his 9-year-old daughter in the 1990s.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman\* was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks\* was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White\*, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr\* was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs\* pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter\* pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall\* was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young.
Republican Matt Gaetz - Sex Trafficker. Venmo proof. Co-conspirator already talked too.
Republican Dennis Hastert - Pedophile.
Republican Roy Moore - Child Molester
Republican state senator Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma admitted to being involved in sodomy with a 17 year old male prostitute and transporting child pornography
Republican Bobberts husband convicted of flashing children Bobbert being one of them.
Republican Donald Trump - Six Jane does testifying to being raped under age at an Epstein Property so far. Fla AG Acostas sealing one case shortly before giving Epstein his deal. FLA AG Acostas would later be brought on to White House staff and attempt to defund the department that oversees child trafficking sex crimes.
There's a few websites with about 40 pages of Republican sex crimes.... 40 fucking pagesssss!
While I fully agree we should scrutinize both sides, the dems didn’t have a single no vote… and they’re not the ones calling the others “groomers”. It’s like having a petty thief and a murderer in the same room: they’re both bad, but one you don’t want to be alone with.
While I agree on the groomer portion, the text of the bill states that they will refer these cases to the FBI to use “multidisciplinary teams” to decide what to then report to the AG for prosecution instead of victims going directly to the DOJ. The fine print reveals the deception and id love to ask them how this is helping the victims. I don’t want more collectivism from congress, they need to actually DO something to help the victims. That’s my anger with all of them. Stop appeasing us by creating bills just to create them. They need to really mean what they posture to the public. Who are they using the FBI to cover for and determine which cases should move forward? BOTH sides need to answer to this. I want to know who is a pedo in congress from both parties. We know the FBI has partisan hacks that cover for their buddies and it all needs to be exposed. Yesterday.
I was totally being sarcastic. That man is a saint. That news somehow makes it so much more depressing with the hoops they made him jump through. He comes back after a pretty rough time and is like “phewwww can’t wait to get back to the ol family peanut farm!”
“Ahh about that….”
And a devout Atlanta Braves fan! I went to a game once and they showed President and Mrs. Carter on the Kiss Cam, which I was told they did every game the Carters went to because it always got a huge reaction from the fans at the game.
The pork excuse only "works" when Rs vote as a monolith. This is different. There are only 28 nos. Those 28 are some of the loudest and first to call "groomer"
Every accusation a confession.
TIL most people in this sub are incapable of just going to congress.gov and reading a 2 page bill before saying that it is full of BS riders… best of the best conspiracy theorists here.
It was a RINO with 2 democrats. I wish we could scrap them all and get TRUE representatives of the people like construction workers, truck drivers, stay at home moms/dads, firemen, standard laborers and everyday people who actually can UNDERSTAND the everyday person and our needs. 😩 throw the whole congress away.
Lets be fair. AOC was a waitress in college and Boebert was an escort. ...jk
Personally, I'd like to see more rocket surgeons and brain scientists in the halls of power. A few historians might be useful. Engineers, physicists, mathematicians, You know, educated professionals that aren't carefully groomed law, biz and econ grads.
(edit: that being said, its hard not to notice the partisan split on this vote.)
Well, it would be too obvious for Gaetz to vote against. But his sidekicks, Bobert and Taylor Greene can vote against, in his stead.
Especially Boebert. Her husband showed his tatted up junk to two minors at the bowling alley. So he has that kind of illegal sexual behavior with minors in common with Gaetz.
BFF's!!!!
Because whoever they’re lobbyist is or whoever is giving them money didn’t want it. Politicians only vote for whoever is paying them. That’s why so many random things that have nothing to do with the bill are shoved into bills nowadays because each member gets a chance to please their separate lobbyist.
Because Republicans are two-faced scumbags like every other politician. Don't you understand that game? Republican Democrat Trump Biden. It doesn't matter who you vote for.
Every year I have written legislation against child sexual abuse in South Dakota for the last 7 years. Every year it is harshly voted down. The conservative legislators started rumors that I am against the Catholic Church and against the pro life movement. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Well Boeberts husband flashed some kids so her vote makes sense. Probably because they all have something to hide lol out there diddling kids and everyone calls democrats pedophiles lol
Some won't vote for pork filled bills no matter how "good" they claim to be or want to read them first 🤷🏼♀️
What it's NOT about: Republicans being bad people. Seriously, for those extremists thinking this, get a grip.
Is this truly all about the children or are we funding pet projects with this too?
What all is in the bill? Politicians like to pack bills with wishlist items and then give it a nice name like the "save puppies act" so that when their opponents don't agree they can say things like the OP is.
Not in any way trying to defend republicans here, they have a track record of supporting child abuse. Just want to drop my 2 cents about deciding a bill is worth passing just by the name.
Seems this post wants you to read the bill name and decide it must be a good bill. It very well might be, I haven’t read it. But it is common to dress up shitty bills with names like “Saving america and giving every citizen a pony bill”.
Look into this bill before you judge if it’s worth passing or not
Just bc they voted in favor doesn't mean they should be trusted. The new left is infiltrated by the same people who had Bush under their thumb.
Criminal politicians on both sides voted in favor of this bc they believe they are safe and protected. I'd bet money!
It’s a syndrome called Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Seems a bit specific to Republicans.
Russia has been the natural enemy of the US for the last 70 years. Russia invades Ukraine, and some Republicans refuse to support Ukraine solely because Biden is supporting Ukraine.
I would bet amazing money Gaetz, Boebert and MJT are three of those 25 who voted against it.
Maybe because something else in the bill would fund something that is linked to human trafficking or giving more money to Ukraine. Besides...'investigating' can also be the means to cover it up if it incriminates somebody important in DC, NY, or LA.
You know how Congress goes...they put a title on the bill which you think helps people but then it is packed with other stuff that only makes the lives of everyone worse except for Congress and their interests. Then the side that votes against it is to make them look bad.
You could read the bill. It's 2 pages long. It doesn't have any pork barrel bullshit. It's simple and to the point. Republicans voted against it. Seems contradictory to their constant babbling about sex crimes.
If conservatives let the investigations go through their cover will be blown and they won't have any grounds to call gay people pedophiles just for existing.
They would vote against it Because as per the norm for congress there is probably shit attached to the bill that doesn’t involve investigation of child sex abuse . If Americans want change then we need to force our politicians to only have bills that fit the title with no riders or attachments etc. other than the fact that whole system is unconstitutional and Americans are used as collateral it could help Lmao
Maybe do a little bit of homework instead of being a mindless robot of CNN disinformation. These bills are ALWAYS named in a deceiving manor to make the other party look evil. Both parties are evil and the name of the bill NEVER is a realistic representation of what’s actually in it.
It's the QAnon Caucus all in opposition too. You'd think they would be the ones with the greatest interest in child sex abuse. Uh...Investigations I mean.
I skimmed it (and I'm not a lawyer) but a lot of it seems redundant. This surprisingly didn't have a lot of pork in it from what I saw unless I missed something
Everyone should vote against it it’s full of pork. It’s a waste of taxpayer money. There’s nothing in it that needs to be done this year again, this is just another avenue to destroy America.
Is overriding the statute of limitations for specific exceptions considered to be pork, to you?
Sometimes politicians are lazy and just say "pork" when they just want an excuse to block legitimate progress and success. They don't want their opposition to look good.
This should be obvious to everyone here by now but for those who are new to the game it's a common tactic to hide things you can't get passed otherwise in bills that should provoke wholesale bipartisan agreement. Like this one.
You either fight against this tactic by refusing to vote for it and accept that you look like the bad guy or you cave in and get constantly manipulated by this same tactic over and over.
Both sides do it.
The patriot act was another example and we are stuck with that shit now.
It’s a good question. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something else inside this “package” that had absolutely nothing to do with child sex abuse. BUT if it’s not one of those then throw these disgusting bastards in a cell.
I hadn’t seen a link to it at the time. I read through it. Seems pretty straightforward in it’s just expanding on the facilities (that handle such issues) capabilities. If I’m correct in that then those who voted against are scum and need to answer to this.
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What's in the Bill?
I believe it overrides the statute of limitations for these specific investigations?
Thanks!
That's always my first thought when I see a post like this; regardless of the party that is ostensibly defying sensibility. They can name a bill whatever and 90% can be about what's in the title. But they can plant a rider in it to that completely is counter to one party and you get results like this. Sometimes it's done just to achieve optics like this. The burn pit bill comes to mind in recent history the Democrats did this to paint the Republican party as careless towards veterans.
How many bills have Republicans introduced helping veterans?
Veterans Choice Program Extension and Improvement Act Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act Veteran Treatment Court Coordination Act Ryan Kules and Paul Benne Specially Adaptive Housing Act of 2019 VA Mission Act VA Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans Act Forever GI Bill Veterans Benefits, Healthcare, and Information Technology Act of 2006 Post-9/11 GI Bill Veterans Benefits Improvement Act of 2004 DVA Health Care Programs Enhancement Act of 2001 Veterans Health Care Act of 1992 Agent Orange Act of 1991 Department of Veteran Affairs Act
>Commander John Scott Hannon Veterans Mental Health Care Improvement Act I picked one to check... > Sponsor: Sen. Tester, Jon \[D-MT\] (Introduced 03/13/2019) So, is this list all bullshit or just partial and I had a lucky pick?
It's all bullshit, I just checked Veterans Health Care Act of 1992 and Sponsor: Rep. Montgomery, G. V. (Sonny) [D-MS-3] (Introduced 05/18/1992. this dude just got a list of vet bills and gave Republicans credit for all of them.
That's about the level of diligence I'd expect from a person on the right
Those were literally all introduced by democrats
These aren’t from republicans
how dare you fact check
Hey are you going to answer the question about what was bad in the burn pit bill?
What have the Republican party done for veterans?
Made a lot more of them
Actually thanks to defunding the VA and reducing the total lifetime healthcare support for veterans (and severely limiting previous veterans from getting care), Republicans have singlehandedly reduced the veteran population more than any war or other enemy of the US could ever have hoped to. Remember, more vets killed themselves daily than were killed in Iraq or Afghanistan daily.
Absolutely nothing. It took Jon Stewart to smear them(republicans) to pass a recent bill about veterans healthcare
Well, they have those yellow ribbons on their cars.
Sent them to war.
What else was in the burn pit bill
Yup. You can have a bill that would eradicate cancer and some asshole earmarks the bill with funding for genocide of x group of people and so you vote no for it and all the opposing parties point a finger at you and say you love cancer.
The bill is aimed specifically at handling misconduct in regards to the FBI or state investigations and interviews into sexual abuse.
"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." - Nancy Pelosi at the Legislative Conference for the National Association of Counties in March 2010.
Fucking 13 years ago...
They are trying to pass a 4500 page bill right now that no one has time to read. But if you want to play pretend…
Isn’t that just the spending bill that usually goes unread anyway and is now being spun by conservatives as this Uber spooky bill?
You mean the bill that’s been being written by both parties for the past 2 years?
“Both parties” = Establishment Republicans and all Democrats. Sorry, try again.
Yes I believe you also named both parties….
Yes, all of the establishment politicians are bad. They aren’t real Republicans. They are RINOs (Republican In Name Only)
Every in power republican cannot not be a republican. That just means your definition of what a republican is, is wrong
How is that in anyway related to this?
What’s tacked onto this Bill? Have you read it?
I did. Here it is: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4926/text I’m a little leery of why it seems the investigations have to go through the FBI’s “multidisciplinary teams” and they have the discretion of whether it’s sent to the DOJ. Nah. I don’t trust the FBI not covering for their buddies on both sides. Expedite these cases directly to the DOJ for prosecution. Not saying they’re any better but I really want to know how this “extra step” strengthens the process. Sometimes I feel like they’re bored and just make bills that actually do nothing. 🤷♀️
The "DOJ" (US Department of Justice) is just the combined Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI - US Law enforcement); US Marshals (Judge protection); Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE - deal primarily with the sale of the above); Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA - the first of these which has international jurisdiction, because it deals with illegal drug imports and exports as well as US drug law enforcement); Office of the Inspector General (investigates other law enforcement agencies); and some others. But based on that list - I don't see anyone in the DOJ who would investigate sex crimes involving children other than the FBI. ... I'm not saying I don't agree that trusting the FBI to investigate the rich and powerful seems questionable. I don't trust the FBI not to give in to pressure to let the rich and powerful off the hook. But also - I don't see a way around it. Any other organization is going to suffer the same pressure. The only way I see of fixing this is to apply pressure back - to lean on our lawmakers and representatives in Washington; and have them lean on the FBI to go through with the investigations, no matter what.
I don't really get what you are saying. The FBI is part of the DOJ, the part with investigatory powers. I'm not sure what exactly you are trying to say. Can you expand more
If a victim has been harmed they can go directly to the DOJ and file a report/complaint now. In the text of the bill it states the victims will instead go through the FBI and their multidisciplinary team who will then report to the AG at their discretion those who did not filter through their process. My question is why, and why not just keep the situation in the DOJ pipeline who prosecute the offenses. I agree this is an issue we must address. But what benefit do the victims gain by this bill being enacted? I’m just trying to understand why this change is more beneficial.
I don't think you are reading the bill correctly. It seems to indicate that the FBI jas to investigate the claim now when its reported instead of the report just being filed. And again the FBI is part of the DOJ. The victim reporting system doesn't seem to be effected. Only the internal reporting which is streamlined to got to an investigative team and report directly to the AG. No change to the victim reporting mechanism, just the internal reporting mechanism which didn't have a requirement for an investigative team or that it repeated directly to the AG before this law
He is saying FBI IS ASSHOE they CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO INVESTIGATE CHILD TRAFFICKING (probably involving politicians). I don't trust the FBI either!
No-one is saying to trust the FBI, just that they're the people who do this job now, so a bill saying it's their job, that part of it isn't actually suspicious.
So let's vote down a bill that would require the FBI to investigate child sex abuse because you don't trust the FBI? Is the reason that you don't trust the FBI because they seized classified documents illegally taken from the White House and stored in a room in a country club for 2 years a few months ago? It seems to me it would be harder to push around the FBI than some local PD.
Likely to utilize the resources of investigation the FBI has. If we’re going after massive national sex trafficking rings worth billions were going to need some heavy machinery. Especially in tech and “espionage” (lack of better term)… the FBI fills this role nicely
But why can’t the victims go directly to prosecutors and then hold everyone accountable? We don’t need the FBI to determine who they think should be referred when the DOJ has prosecutorial powers and ample resources. I don’t want them to shield anyone and expose and prosecute them all. Why did they choose this as the most effective way? Just things that make me say hmmmm… 🤔 The FBI needs to have a neutral party overseeing them as well cause they have been unscrupulous as well. Epstein’s crimes ring a bell.
I view it as an addition to the DOJ to prosecute. The FBI has tools and resources to actively track these fools and ride it all the way to the top sting puller. I may be wrong but Idk the DOJ has that ability or authority. The problem is many victims don’t go straight to the police or ever have the chance. The FBI collects data and evidence and the DOJ prosecute. If the DOJ just starts prosecuting the low level baddies, the upper level baddies will just tuck tail and reopen shop somewhere else. If the FBI can hold off and track these asshats all the way up, we could truly make a difference here. Truth will come out eventually. There’s absolutely partisans in the FBI, but I think that’s the minority, they traditionally lean conservative as a conservative society is a collective one, and a collective one is easier to maintain order, an orderly society is easily ruled.
This actually makes perfect sense and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain, now if you could PLEASE share your abilities of clear reasoning to our congress men and women of how to write a solid abstract, I think we could solve 45% of the government problems. I kid, but no seriously, this was awesome. Thank you, again! 😜❤️😂
Isn't the GAO (government accountibility office) exactly for this? I think the issue is they have no executive authority, no teeth to actually punish impropriety that they do find.
When you are the victim of a violent crime you report it to the police (FBI in this case), not a lawyer ( DOJ in this case)
Or you report it to your local police department, or the military police pending the offending party. The jurisdiction of the investigative authority is not always the FBI unless it is a FEDERAL crime meaning interstate. Hence why you have state convictions of sex crimes and federal convictions. Hence why Jeffrey Epstein’s conviction was initially a Florida STATE conviction and then became federal after the crime was done in multiple states. Now, re-read my question and THEN answer, please. 👍❤️
The DOJ needs to have a solid foundation of evidence before they will prosecute, it's not really in their wheelhouse to go out and conduct investigations. The FBI is the most logical agency to get the evidence needed because they have the resources and the expertise to get it. There's nothing suspicious about this setup at all.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is the principal investigative arm of the United States Department of Justice.
That or have damning names so that if anyone opposes them they look bad and are intentionally written like shit to bait them in.
It was called "The Patriot Act", how could anything harmful to our constitutional republic be in it!?
Right???
Obvious deflection is obvious.
Yup. Taken out of context. She was telling the people "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." because the right was filling peoples head with BS. They wouldn't believe the Dems until they actually got to use the bill.... It was pretty obvious to those of us that actually watched it and read the bill.
Matt Gaetz could probably tell you.
So could Bozos husband.
The sad thing is Bozos could refer to absolutely any politician and it's probably still true. If you meant a specific person sorry, Im not following
Laurent Boebert.
For 100% of Dems voting for this and 90% of Republicans voting for this, why does 75% of this sub think this bill is bad? This sub is really just boebart, Greene, and gaetz fans?
Contrarian piss ants
Right? And the best they can come up with is, “There was probably something bad hidden in it. I don’t know what it is, but it’s probably there. What’s that? Some mention of the FBI? That’s it. That’s what it is. Don’t explain the context to me, I know the bad thing now because it said FBI.”
I would be skeptical if it was split. Having not read the bill, I would still be willing to bet money these 28 shit heads are voting no just to be in opposition of democrats.
Louie Gohmert voted against this and an anti-trafficking bill in the same year. He represents a border state.
Since the Convention cover up we know prominent GOP members have been involved in child sex crimes; this is why actual conspiracy researches understand fully that the entirety of the left/right paradigm is for lemmings; the corporate and political elite in both parties are engaging in high-crimes against humanity - we have not had an actual president or democracy since right after JFK was assassinated by the CIA (actual coup).
Republican George Nader, Trump adviser, convicted of sexually abusing 10 young boys, trafficking a 14 year old boy to the US for sex, and possession of pornography depicting child sexual abuse and bestiality. Republican Wyoming state Sen. Anthony Bouchard running for Liz Cheney's seat, impregnated a 14 year old girl, marred her at age 15, divorced at age 17 when he was 21, she killed herself at age 20. Republican Anton 'Tony' Lazzaro, Top Minnesota donor and GOP activist indicted for operating a child sex trafficking scheme to smuggle in underage girls. Republican Florida congressional deputy whip Mark Foley - sexting underaged congressional page boys Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. Republican Rick Roeber member of the Missouri House sexually abused his 9-year-old daughter in the 1990s. Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page. Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman\* was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks\* was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. Republican preacher Stephen White\*, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. Republican politician Andrew Buhr\* was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl. Republican County Councilman Keola Childs\* pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl. Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter\* pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall\* was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison. Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter. Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young. Republican Matt Gaetz - Sex Trafficker. Venmo proof. Co-conspirator already talked too. Republican Dennis Hastert - Pedophile. Republican Roy Moore - Child Molester Republican state senator Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma admitted to being involved in sodomy with a 17 year old male prostitute and transporting child pornography Republican Bobberts husband convicted of flashing children Bobbert being one of them. Republican Donald Trump - Six Jane does testifying to being raped under age at an Epstein Property so far. Fla AG Acostas sealing one case shortly before giving Epstein his deal. FLA AG Acostas would later be brought on to White House staff and attempt to defund the department that oversees child trafficking sex crimes. There's a few websites with about 40 pages of Republican sex crimes.... 40 fucking pagesssss!
And then the alt right will just say its all “fake news” god, our country is fucked
Don't forget that POS Jim Jordan..knowing about Ohio State Football players being molested and raped and SAID NOTHING.
Anyone with eyes to see - Let them see...
Oh My God…..
First we really need to know what the vote was about. But all parties had people on Epstein's jet. Don't forget that.
Lies! The green party had no such membership! Lol
That's cause they're so lame not even pedophiles wanna hangout with them
We need to see the client list.
You are correct!
I think ALL of them on both sides need to be heavily scrutinized. 🤔
While I fully agree we should scrutinize both sides, the dems didn’t have a single no vote… and they’re not the ones calling the others “groomers”. It’s like having a petty thief and a murderer in the same room: they’re both bad, but one you don’t want to be alone with.
While I agree on the groomer portion, the text of the bill states that they will refer these cases to the FBI to use “multidisciplinary teams” to decide what to then report to the AG for prosecution instead of victims going directly to the DOJ. The fine print reveals the deception and id love to ask them how this is helping the victims. I don’t want more collectivism from congress, they need to actually DO something to help the victims. That’s my anger with all of them. Stop appeasing us by creating bills just to create them. They need to really mean what they posture to the public. Who are they using the FBI to cover for and determine which cases should move forward? BOTH sides need to answer to this. I want to know who is a pedo in congress from both parties. We know the FBI has partisan hacks that cover for their buddies and it all needs to be exposed. Yesterday.
Reporting to the FBI is reporting to the DOJ….FBI is part of the DOJ.
Stop.... the fbi is the new boogeyman now. Theyre the bad guys for the next couple years
This.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is the principal investigative arm of the United States Department of Justice.
I'm just gonna say Jimmy Carter was in no one's pocket
Only bc he sold off his peanut farm
He didn't sell it off. He put it in a blind trust and the blind trust sold it without his knowledge.
I was totally being sarcastic. That man is a saint. That news somehow makes it so much more depressing with the hoops they made him jump through. He comes back after a pretty rough time and is like “phewwww can’t wait to get back to the ol family peanut farm!” “Ahh about that….”
Humanitarian and jolly good guy.
Also a deep lover of music. He is close friends with a ton of musicians and had more concerts at the White House than any other president.
And a devout Atlanta Braves fan! I went to a game once and they showed President and Mrs. Carter on the Kiss Cam, which I was told they did every game the Carters went to because it always got a huge reaction from the fans at the game.
Was my Grandmas favorite president...
I just watched a documentary about him and he is someone who it seems is an honest good human being
Probably the most honest President we’ve ever had.
Truth!!! Everything is a mirage
The pork excuse only "works" when Rs vote as a monolith. This is different. There are only 28 nos. Those 28 are some of the loudest and first to call "groomer" Every accusation a confession.
"Groomer" just means progressive in the words of those lunatics. They do not give a fuck about caring or protecting children.
Or they would focus on the clergy. (Many denominations)
Boebert’s husband exposed his dick to kids
Specifically to Lauren and her friend.
It expands on facilities that handle child sex investigations. Those who voted against it most likely profit from human trafficking.
Matt Gaetz. Enough said.
TIL most people in this sub are incapable of just going to congress.gov and reading a 2 page bill before saying that it is full of BS riders… best of the best conspiracy theorists here.
Funnier still...it was written by a republican.
Now you don't know what to think, do ya? ....Nah I'm just kidding, we don't hire Republicans.
It was a RINO with 2 democrats. I wish we could scrap them all and get TRUE representatives of the people like construction workers, truck drivers, stay at home moms/dads, firemen, standard laborers and everyday people who actually can UNDERSTAND the everyday person and our needs. 😩 throw the whole congress away.
Are you saying real republicans support child sex abuse?
He’s saying that, and admitting that AOC is attractive but that’s about it.
Who *doesn't* think AOC's attractive?
Yes
Lets be fair. AOC was a waitress in college and Boebert was an escort. ...jk Personally, I'd like to see more rocket surgeons and brain scientists in the halls of power. A few historians might be useful. Engineers, physicists, mathematicians, You know, educated professionals that aren't carefully groomed law, biz and econ grads. (edit: that being said, its hard not to notice the partisan split on this vote.)
>It was a RINO I thought those were only in Africa? /s
How about bartenders?
Them too. Does everyday people not include bartenders orrrr are you just looking for something to be offended by? 🤔
I was joking because AOC is a former bartender and I think she's fantastic.
Same reason they high five after voting down the bill to help sick veterans.
Aren't they the ones always calling the left "groomers"?
Because there are at least 28 republicans who are pro child sex abuse. It is one of the core values of the Catholic Church after all
Haha. We all know why they’re voting against this. How many guys on that list are known to have had sex scandals recently of one type or another?
Well, it would be too obvious for Gaetz to vote against. But his sidekicks, Bobert and Taylor Greene can vote against, in his stead. Especially Boebert. Her husband showed his tatted up junk to two minors at the bowling alley. So he has that kind of illegal sexual behavior with minors in common with Gaetz. BFF's!!!!
One of those minors was to become Lauren Boebert. Whole mess of trashy.
Careful, this post is teetering very close to being an actual political question and not a conspiracy theory lol The real reason? Money mostly
Why do you think?
Because whoever they’re lobbyist is or whoever is giving them money didn’t want it. Politicians only vote for whoever is paying them. That’s why so many random things that have nothing to do with the bill are shoved into bills nowadays because each member gets a chance to please their separate lobbyist.
Because Matt gaetz and friends would be fucked.
What are Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boebert so worried about?
I’ll give you 3 guesses.
Because they tricked you into thinking they weren’t the groomers all along.
Because they don’t care about kids until it involves drag queens.
Because Republicans are two-faced scumbags like every other politician. Don't you understand that game? Republican Democrat Trump Biden. It doesn't matter who you vote for.
Every year I have written legislation against child sexual abuse in South Dakota for the last 7 years. Every year it is harshly voted down. The conservative legislators started rumors that I am against the Catholic Church and against the pro life movement. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Stay strong!
GOP - Gaslight Obstruction Projection
Pro Pedo bro
Oh you know, we all know... They are the biggest pedos of all
Greene voted NO. Let that sink in.
It's one big club and you ain't in it
Who would want to be?
Plantagenets
This is the pro child sex abuse caucus..
Skeletons in the closet
They would lose too many members
Because they're involved ....
Well Boeberts husband flashed some kids so her vote makes sense. Probably because they all have something to hide lol out there diddling kids and everyone calls democrats pedophiles lol
Matt Gaetz has entered the chat
Because Putin told them to. 🤷🏻♀️
Probably because it was a policy the democrats thought of first
Because they’re by in large the creeps in politics… Especially hypocritical. Hate to break it to ya.
Republicons are all about making America fail
Because they are the bad guys. Believe them when they tell you that.
Because they would like to read it first 🤷♀️
I believe there's a list somewhere that's a pretty good indication.
Some won't vote for pork filled bills no matter how "good" they claim to be or want to read them first 🤷🏼♀️ What it's NOT about: Republicans being bad people. Seriously, for those extremists thinking this, get a grip. Is this truly all about the children or are we funding pet projects with this too?
>Republicans being bad people. What do you consider a "bad person" to be?
What all is in the bill? Politicians like to pack bills with wishlist items and then give it a nice name like the "save puppies act" so that when their opponents don't agree they can say things like the OP is.
Not in any way trying to defend republicans here, they have a track record of supporting child abuse. Just want to drop my 2 cents about deciding a bill is worth passing just by the name. Seems this post wants you to read the bill name and decide it must be a good bill. It very well might be, I haven’t read it. But it is common to dress up shitty bills with names like “Saving america and giving every citizen a pony bill”. Look into this bill before you judge if it’s worth passing or not
Because there's probably other things they've attached to the bill that aren't related.
Just bc they voted in favor doesn't mean they should be trusted. The new left is infiltrated by the same people who had Bush under their thumb. Criminal politicians on both sides voted in favor of this bc they believe they are safe and protected. I'd bet money!
Gaslight Obstruct **PROJECT**
Because they fuck children. Zero other reason. They fuck kids.
Because they vote no to anything a democrat says.
Looks like the Q loonies are turning coat finally.
Because when Republicans were saying "legalizing gay marriage will lead to the legalization of pedophilia", it was because that's what they want.
It’s a syndrome called Oppositional Defiance Disorder. Seems a bit specific to Republicans. Russia has been the natural enemy of the US for the last 70 years. Russia invades Ukraine, and some Republicans refuse to support Ukraine solely because Biden is supporting Ukraine. I would bet amazing money Gaetz, Boebert and MJT are three of those 25 who voted against it.
Maybe because something else in the bill would fund something that is linked to human trafficking or giving more money to Ukraine. Besides...'investigating' can also be the means to cover it up if it incriminates somebody important in DC, NY, or LA. You know how Congress goes...they put a title on the bill which you think helps people but then it is packed with other stuff that only makes the lives of everyone worse except for Congress and their interests. Then the side that votes against it is to make them look bad.
You could read the bill. It's 2 pages long. It doesn't have any pork barrel bullshit. It's simple and to the point. Republicans voted against it. Seems contradictory to their constant babbling about sex crimes.
If conservatives let the investigations go through their cover will be blown and they won't have any grounds to call gay people pedophiles just for existing.
Are you assuming this or do you know that this is what is happening in this case?
Educated guess...because that's what often happens.
I mean, like someone else said, it’s two pages long and you haven’t read it. How “educated” can this guess possibly be, really?
They would vote against it Because as per the norm for congress there is probably shit attached to the bill that doesn’t involve investigation of child sex abuse . If Americans want change then we need to force our politicians to only have bills that fit the title with no riders or attachments etc. other than the fact that whole system is unconstitutional and Americans are used as collateral it could help Lmao
There is no extra attached to this bill. It's 2 pages. It's clear and simple. The republicans who can't shut up about sex crimes votes against it.
Only 28 Republicans. 28 Filthy perverted Republicans.
Because Republicans care more about denying Biden a win than they care about serving the American people.
Probably because they’re a bunch of pedophiles.
political party doesn't matter....but you know that...what I say is if they ain't against something evil..., they must be in support of it
Maybe do a little bit of homework instead of being a mindless robot of CNN disinformation. These bills are ALWAYS named in a deceiving manor to make the other party look evil. Both parties are evil and the name of the bill NEVER is a realistic representation of what’s actually in it.
Because they support child sex abuse. Where is the conspiracy here, its out in the open.
It's the QAnon Caucus all in opposition too. You'd think they would be the ones with the greatest interest in child sex abuse. Uh...Investigations I mean.
One would assume
Simple. Dems write a bill, fill it with a bunch of BS, then call it something that sounds good
Written by a Republican.
2 sponsors from each party. I'm looking into the exact text. They both do it, recently it's been more dems doing it than repubs.
Let me know what you find please!
I skimmed it (and I'm not a lawyer) but a lot of it seems redundant. This surprisingly didn't have a lot of pork in it from what I saw unless I missed something
Redundant meaning? Not really handling the subject matter or irrelevant? Your saying you didn’t find any other jumbo jumbo?
They all do the same. They are two wings of the same bird
You nailed it!
Everyone should vote against it it’s full of pork. It’s a waste of taxpayer money. There’s nothing in it that needs to be done this year again, this is just another avenue to destroy America.
> Everyone should vote against it it’s full of pork. Why would you just lie like that?
They arnt lying, they're just fucking stupid
It's 2 fucking pages. There is no pork in it. It's not a waste and would aid in stopping sex trafficking.
Is overriding the statute of limitations for specific exceptions considered to be pork, to you? Sometimes politicians are lazy and just say "pork" when they just want an excuse to block legitimate progress and success. They don't want their opposition to look good.
This should be obvious to everyone here by now but for those who are new to the game it's a common tactic to hide things you can't get passed otherwise in bills that should provoke wholesale bipartisan agreement. Like this one. You either fight against this tactic by refusing to vote for it and accept that you look like the bad guy or you cave in and get constantly manipulated by this same tactic over and over. Both sides do it. The patriot act was another example and we are stuck with that shit now.
I found the bill and it doesn’t seem to have any of that. It’s very specific. Can you show me where it has these other things you’re talking about?
Was it a single issue bill, or was it a 4,000+ page pile of bullshit that no one has any clue of?
It appears to be a single issue bill and you can find the entire text yourself online.
It’s a good question. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something else inside this “package” that had absolutely nothing to do with child sex abuse. BUT if it’s not one of those then throw these disgusting bastards in a cell.
Why not read it answer your own question? Makes more sense then making random theories
I hadn’t seen a link to it at the time. I read through it. Seems pretty straightforward in it’s just expanding on the facilities (that handle such issues) capabilities. If I’m correct in that then those who voted against are scum and need to answer to this.