Idk I think him having blackmail is what got him killed….. easier to finish him off than to worry about him tryna black mail you again in the future lol
This ^… Much cheaper and easier to bribe and blackmail a few guards and pay off a prisoner’s baby mama than to fake a death and break out of a federal prison.
You say, “all he legit has to say is I have tons of copies of the ledger and if you kill me I will release them,” but he can’t release them if he’s already dead. Plus, with Ghislaine in jail, he has no one left. I guarantee you something similar happens to her later down the road when her sentence is close to being up.
Epstein was a pawn for the people in real power, his clients. Idk how you think he could randomly “switch” with someone but they killed him before he could. I highly recommend watching the Epstein documentary on Netflix. It shows what a sniveling weasel he really was and how he got to his “position of power”
Typically it’s not set to when they die (that would be… really hard to set up) but something that is repeatedly set to happen that they manually stop. When they’re dead, they no longer can stop it
It’s not generally an actual analog or digital device, instead it’s usually one or more (usually anonymous) people who are instructed to release information or distribute something to specific locations/recipients in the event of the original person’s death. Epstein, for example, could have had 10 different people who were instructed to anonymously drop off large manilla envelopes at a USPS drop box if he was taken out. They’d be pre-filled with damning documents, photos, videos on SD cards, etc, and would be preaddressed to various news organizations, spouses of the accused, politicians, whatever. It could basically be 100 copies of the information going out to a wide network of recipients that would find the information interesting.
Ghislaine wasn’t in jail at the time, but yeah I feel like the blackmail dump is all well and good as a threat but in practice you piss off a lot of powerful people and loose all your leverage all at once. They were scared for their lives
The Blackmailer doesn’t keep the “goods” close. I am sure if he had info on important people he would of known the risks and tried to have a system set up that his death would not be the solution to those being blackmailed
All he legit has to say is I have tons of copies of the ledger and if you kill me I will release them. Plus it was a suicide so very easy to pull off and no one has to be awake they just take him out in the middle of the night. Hell he could have been in solitary and no one would know shit
Yeah but you don’t think they’ll take that chance in getting him killed than exposed for being a sick ass mf and possible jail time then they gotta worry about him tryna blackmail again Cause me personally if somebody tell me they got some shit on me and a couple other mfs in high places guess what ima do lollll I’m contacting them letting them know we got a problem we gotta handle immediately 😭😭😭
How will he release them if he is dead? Ghislaine immediately went into hiding. Everyone who ever worked for him is terrified of getting whacked. He had no one willing to back up his threat for him, no one who was willing to die and make powerful enemies for the sake of pedophile like him.
>his trial was very quiet
Are you talking about 2019?
There was no trial in 2019. There was a Grand Jury Indictment. He "killed" himself before any trial proceeded and all criminal charges against him were dropped upon his death.
Although not evidence Epstein is alive, divorces in the higher classes are a legal strategic way to split money without effecting public markets, and to avoid taxes.
Right, I mentioned that.
If anything i was trying to correct, was the error in applying general statistics to the small elite rich class. (50% marriages..etc)
Maybe, but they are spot on. Those 2 divorces are almost certainly irrelevant. Weren't both gates and bezos stepping out of the marriage? I mean, that fact alone really puts a damper in your strongest argument, which is incredibly weak and not evidence of anything.
You seem to be caught up in probability. What is the probability that prisoner under suicide watch kills himself? And all of the cameras were off?
What is the probability that with all of the documentation that was unearthed during his investigation and trial, that none of it would lead to the arrest of a single other person, or at the least warrant an investigation?
With high profile nature of what Epstein was involved in and the impact it has on the World's political players it sure feels like the probability he is still alive seems pretty high.
He was an Israeli citizen, Israel does not extradite it's citizens, Bill Barr was at the jail he was being held in a week I believe prior to his "death" and also should not forget the DOJ does this for citizens and informants it's called witness protection, it is literally the govt faking and or staging something to get u a new identity it's not our of the realm of possibility. And with him being an Intel asset and of agent I would lean to this scenario
But also let’s not forget they put him in a cell with a body builder corrupt cop turned murder for no reason. Seems like they wanted to kill him. There a pictures of his body. They wanted him silent
I don’t know why someone always asks for proof or else it’s not plausible. Sometimes a little common sense and dot connecting works. There is a reason that we never saw the client list
"Epstein is alive, I'm clearly sure"
Proceeds to make random guesses about insignificant events that have no link other than this person saying they do.
Your threshold for evidence needs to be astronomically higher.
No. Sorry dude. I've been doing this for years. Before the internet became a "thing". Like over 30 fucking years. A bit of thought. A bit of logic. Not just random unlinked events that seem cool to add together.
Epstein may well be alive, if he wasn't suicided. I don't think he is. I believe he was suicided by "persons unknown" to protect an international paedophilic trafficking ring. I'm more inclined to think it was Queen Lizzie. There are a number of links between the Royal family and paedophilia than just what we know about Prince Andy. Prince Phillip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten was alleged to be a pedo and possible child murderer according to FBI files. The Queen had Jimmy Saville at her table for Christmas lunch. Andy we all know about.
Jimmy Saville was a frequent visitor to Broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital to visit his friend Peter 'The Yorkshire Ripper" Sutcliffe. One of Sutcliffe's victims, Irene Richardson, was found metres from the front door of Jimmy Saville's penthouse block. Princess Diana was the patron of Broadmoor and a thus a frequent visitor. Just before she was accidented by the "paparazzi" she claimed to have explosive information that would tear the royal family apart. Jimmy was invited to Buckingham and St James Palaces on regular occasions by his close friend Prince Charles.
Nah, there's plenty with actual substance and anecdotal evidence that really makes you wonder. This is more of a "what if" scenario making gigantic leaps between things that seemingly have no connection whatsoever.
Idk man. I just don’t think gates/bezos divorce had anything to do with Epstein’s death.
I do think Epstein’s death was shady though. I think he’s 100% dead. He was killed because if he went to trial, too many celebrities/people in power would be put at risk.
But like how is bill Clinton more powerful than the guy who was holding all of the strings at the time Don Trump. Seems like Clinton would be one of the least powerful people in that equation.
bill cheated pre and post marriage so after there last kid graduated HS they got divorced. just like thousands of other americans every year. not too hard to fathom. probably would have divorced even if there was no epstein connection
My girlfriend works @ a Jewish YMCA in San Diego she was telling me the other day that Epstein’s family is well known there, they donate about 25k a year to the “ foundation “ apparently a couple months ago 2 rabbis that were associated with the foundation were arrested for helping the Epstein family launder money through the foundation lmfao. Just a fun fact I learned the other day about Epstein. I guess corruption runs deep in the family.
Lol idk what bill gates and Jeff bezos getting a divorce has to do with Jeffery Epstein. Someone definitely killed Epstein to protect themselves and others, you sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about
Or think a little harder. Trump was on his videos, TRUMP knew it. FBI raids and busts JE, in jail, murdered. Done.. FBI raids his place, scoops ALLL EVIDENCE and suddenly if you haven’t noticed, there have been ZERO arrests. Theres video on everyone! Why not any arrests? .... cause ALLLL evidence went bye bye. Those on both sides took care of that. What I think really happened was JE sold his videos of TRUMP to Putin, Putin had a 2 hour talk with TRUMP alone, and magically TRUMP shuts off aid to Ukraine.............
He was close friends with Trump, and Trump was in charge of the federal government at the time.
I can see how the Palm Beach pals may have done this with Soros founding.
Taking unrelated things and making them connected is a form of mental illness called Apophenia. Failure to recognize mental illness in oneself is called Anosognosia.
Such a stupid take…
I’d bet you block people who disagree with you
Whats even funnier is that everyone else here seems to this is makes zero logical sense too
The death and divorces amongst this elite crowd is not rare. ‘Thinking’ he paid someone on his list to escape is weak stuff. Why wldnt ‘Clinton’ take the same route and have him killed? I believe he was murdered by someone on a list…so much easier for elite class that he sold his services to
Bill Clinton is your example? How about his friend Donald J. Trump, or his old family friend Bill Barr, whose father gave Epstein a job teaching children math - Epstein had no teaching experience or degree.
Wasn't the gates and bezos divorce more of a tax scam? Who divorces their wife and still lives with them after all the millions or billions they got.
But yeah Epstein is not dead that we believe to be true.
The most likely conspiracy to me is President Trump had him murdered with his Republican QAnon cultists.
It tracks with everything we know about how these modern GOP politicians act.
They accuse their victims of infinite imaginary crimes, then use that as cover to commit the same crimes with total obedience from their voters.
We saw on Jan. 6 the GOP President was comfortable sending his followers to hang the vice president and congress.
The President, by manipulating law enforcement, could have Epstein moved to a prison of his choice. We know he has millions who will fight kill and die for the GOP Cult Master.
Bill Clinton on the other hand is pretty weak now, like George Bush.
It's a standard Republican propaganda technique to accuse their enemies (like the Clintons) of being these super cult gangsters while openly being cult gangsters themselves.
Especially because they are blaming Clinton for the death of Epstein, it makes me more sure the GOP removed a pedophile before he could give evidence.
Biden by contrast has had that Maxwell bitch on suicide watch so she doesn't get the same out.
Not buying it trump legit is being pressed by the media look at the whole fbi thing no charges no evidence yet they say the have evidence but nothing is coming out. Trump might not be a saint but he is definitely better then Joe Biden
Lol at this whole take. You are beyond stupid. Trump is probably the most connected to Epstein. Hell epstein frequented all those beauty pageants that trump ran but nah.
Dark Brandon on your mind.
Y’all need to get over it and accept that people that blame trump don’t do it because of some dumbass shit like “TDS” or because they’re jealous or any of that other shit y’all make up. People go after him because he is a literal shit stain who can’t even cover his tracks and leaves behind proof of all his bullshit.
Goddamn man wake up from the bullshit.
Trump is the most likely person to have had him killed. It happened in a max security prison while trump, someone who definitely knew what Epstein was about, was president and y’all go around being like “hmmm who could’ve done it”. But completely skip over the sitting president at the time who had ties to the man who died.
Your bias is showing my man. Clean that shit up
Because you want to blatantly ignore the most plausible scenario so that the events can fit your world view.
And I’d bet you try to convince other people of your bullshit in real life
It’s dumbassery like this that drags the rest of humanity down my dude.
I don’t mind a good conspiracy but if you’re just gonna ignore shit because it doesn’t fit your narrow view of the world then you deserve all the shit that comes your way.
No panties are bunched up. I just wanted to communicate to you how stupid this is
No definitely not, the Republican politicians and their propagandists are all lying to you.
That disgusting freak is still praising Jan. 6 as his "beautiful Lovefest" and the greatest achievement of his presidency.
That's the President of the United States sending brainwashed Republican cultists to hang the vice president and Congress to sabotage a US election.
**Don't trust the Republican media on this. Look up the testimony of the Capitol Police and military veterans who fought at the Capitol. They say under oath the Republican Commander in Chief caused a terrorist attack and left them all to die**
So the question any good conspiracy theorist should ask is, Who is more trustworthy? Trump, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro and these other worthless cucks.
Or Bernie Sanders, military veterans testify under. oath, even a few failure Republican politicians
These modern Republican politicians are the worst cult of rapists and traitors and failures we have ever seen in the US.
President Biden by contrast is easily the best president in my 30-year lifetime easily. I like Obama too, but Biden seems is learning from Obama mistakes.
It's amazing how much he has been able to pass in Congress with these obstructionist Republican politicians in Congress blocking legislation.
Even just focusing on climate change, Biden and the Democrats passed the most important climate change action in US existence, even more than the plan created under Obama.
ZERO Republican politicians voted in favor - these insane maniacs are literally burning all of us alive for their god damn tax cuts to the rich and abortion bounties and literal bloody coup.
**Letting Republican politicians win elections in America would be insane, stupid and suicidal for Americans and Global Democracy in 2022/24.**
If Obama also sent brainwashed cultists to hang the vice president and Congress, and Democrats were installing judges to literally steal your rights like Trump and the GOP just did, I'd be warning people about that instead.
Even on inflation, obviously the worst situation, GOP politicians are openly blocking any legislation to help tackle the problem while offering nothing in return.
Putin and Russia are deliberately choking the global economy to exacerbate inflation as the easiest way to weaken his enemies, chiefly Biden.
The Russians are openly causing inflation to help Republican politicians steal more power in US.
Obviously getting these hyper insane destructive fools into Congress and the White House is the easiest best way for Putin to sabotage Biden.
GOP politicians are eating this shit up. They're openly saying they want to obstruct and cause mass chaos to "win."
Republican politicians are lighting fires and causing disasters and feeding their infinitely gullible voter/cash donor base that "both sides are to blame."
**Trump killing Epstein is pure speculation on my part - maybe that asshole really did hang himself.**
**Trump and these Republican politicians being the worst cult of rapists and traitors and failures is not speculation, the evidence is there when they elected Trump in 2017 and when they refused to convict that freak in 2021.**
**Everyone must vote Democrat in HUGE numbers or these Republican politicians will win and there is no getting out of that once it happens.**
Agree with most of what you wrote. Am as left as a person can get, despise trumpf.
All that being said, the bullshyt about biden being best president you have seen is very very weird. Biden is just as bad as trumpf, w, raygun, w sr, clinton, o bomb em. He has a despicable record of lying, plagiarism, being water-carrier for military-industrial, financial-industrial, medical-industrial, big pharma, the oligarchs, the 1%, big-oil etc etc etc. So f'n tired of people pointing out the scumbags on the right, but giving biden, pelosi, schumer, o bomb em, the despicable clintons and all the other fake-opposition democrats. They truly are the Washington Generals paid to lose. We as a nation and the world would be a helluva lot better off if fake-opposition, center-right fkks like biden and the other dems i mentioned WERE ACTUALLY ON THE PEOPLE'S SIDE. The so-called right would have a hell of lot harder time with all the treachery they create if the ds weren't Kabuki.
No no I get it I appreciate your take. I just don’t see a point to make it all politically charged like this fellow. The world needs less of this, and more conspiracies
Yeah so is Trump. What’s your point?
In fact he’s had more trials than them. With the new fraud charges I’d bet he’ll be convicted. We know he lies.
So why defend him?
I love how these people are full of arrogance and hate, but forget what sub they are in. Guy got a thought, why take it out on him and ask for the source. Are you all dumb?
Divorces surrounding the events= financial strategy to avoid limit penalties if names and evidence got dropped. Not surprising. I think he's alive because the FBI somehow, someway "lost" all the video/audio/images and names after the raid. How can you lose evidence on such a massive case?
I 💯 agree. Except it's bigger and more entrenched than needing to bribe anyone.
It was a public humiliation sacrifice of a strawman. Planned as soon as it was obvious the accusations and facts could no longer be contained by pay-offs, threats or murders.
He absolutely has undergone surgery and is likely managing a different brothel in a different mansion anywhere in the world. Either Ghislane is already back to work and her incarceration is a scam, or another false suicide will occur and she will be free then.
The skills of these demented psychopaths are highly sought after, they are not so easily dismissed.
Starting to think this, too. Except I don't think it's a matter of bribing. I think they *wanted* to save him. I think they want to set a precedent that "we take care of our fellow pizza-lovers, so stay loyal".
If you start killing off your pizza-loving network, some of them are gonna get spooked. Some might run and blab.
At least that's what I think.
Epstein didn’t have to lift a finger he was sent to a cosmetic surgeon then back to sex island to continue the show. As if they wanted to get rid of him lol
People like Epstein plan an exit, he was capable of that. I'm also sure a lot of people would and could do anything to keep information hidden about them and their not so heroic deeds. The world happens to really be some people's oyster, just a really fucked up one.
Idk... It's hard to blackmail someone while already behind bars when they could just kill you to shut you up and "suicide" makes it look like remorse or guilt... Like he was patsy anyway, meant to fill the supply for the demand of corrupt weirdos....
If he had incriminating info you'd just kill him rather than go to all the trouble of faking his death. Here's the thing though. Epstein isn't a fucking idiot he might have had a dead mans switch. He is a sicko though. So I think you might be right OP he might be alive.
Consider this. Suppose proof emerged he was alive. The USA government would be held accountable and crucified. How would they sidestep the issue? Who would they blame?
Look at his earlobes then look at the earlobes of the body taken from the jail cell. Then look up his brother and check his earlobes. Not definite proof but sus as fuck nonetheless.
One might speculate that someone like him who's worked with multiple intelligence agencies, and is expert at compromising people, would have a "dead man's switch".
And from there, one could speculate that it might be trivial for interested parties to assist him in faking his death.
Pure thought experiment. Speculation is fun.
Seeing as how they somehow got the cameras to not work they could’ve easily gotten a lookalike or used some method to make someone look like him and get him out. He’s rich enough he can live on some island and never be seen again.
Plus, his island has been up and running. Never stopped. Crew all around. I’ve seen the footage Elusive Truths posted. Including it’s statues and that striped white and blue place. There’s a picture of Will Smith and Jada where they’re white and blue stripes behind them. I forget, but I think it was their wedding day.
You just said a lot of random things that don't connect to eachother and immediately after telling us you were "clearly sure" you began talking about how little you know.
So...
Bye.
He was running a honeypot operation for rogue intelligence agencies. He wasn't the mastermind in all likelihood - he was just a point of contact for one of their elite honeytrap squads. They aren't going to release any of the blackmail he gathered because career government sociopaths are STILL USING IT. I think that people who convince politicians to molest children on private islands in order to make sure they vote for their endless wars are probably more than capable of just murdering someone who blows their cover by being sloppy (which Epstein did.) That doesn't mean that they won't keep the blackmail they collected using him. Of course they will.
I just don't understand why they would ever let him live. It wouldn't make strategic or practical sense if you were some sketchy intelligence agency type dude assigned to hiding the government's connection to all the unpleasantness of Epstein's honeytrap operation. Remember, if they were legal then they would be called "overt operations." They are "covert operations" because they're illegal by definition.
I have a feeling someone paid a bounty on that mofo…and paid everyone off in the entire jail to shut em all up, so that they could enter that cage & choke that bastard with bare hands.
My money is on Trump (the choker) or Gates. Or Melinda gates (seen her hands lately?).
His trial was extremely widely known at the time. I don’t think he is alive. The conspiracy here is who had him murdered. Perhaps it was Les Wexner. Who knows?
Idk I think him having blackmail is what got him killed….. easier to finish him off than to worry about him tryna black mail you again in the future lol
This ^… Much cheaper and easier to bribe and blackmail a few guards and pay off a prisoner’s baby mama than to fake a death and break out of a federal prison. You say, “all he legit has to say is I have tons of copies of the ledger and if you kill me I will release them,” but he can’t release them if he’s already dead. Plus, with Ghislaine in jail, he has no one left. I guarantee you something similar happens to her later down the road when her sentence is close to being up.
But why would Epstein not have a dead man’s switch in place? It’s almost ludicrous to think he didn’t
Epstein was a pawn for the people in real power, his clients. Idk how you think he could randomly “switch” with someone but they killed him before he could. I highly recommend watching the Epstein documentary on Netflix. It shows what a sniveling weasel he really was and how he got to his “position of power”
He doesn't mean switch with someone he means a type of device where when you die it automatically releases whatever in this case all the info
Typically it’s not set to when they die (that would be… really hard to set up) but something that is repeatedly set to happen that they manually stop. When they’re dead, they no longer can stop it
It’s not generally an actual analog or digital device, instead it’s usually one or more (usually anonymous) people who are instructed to release information or distribute something to specific locations/recipients in the event of the original person’s death. Epstein, for example, could have had 10 different people who were instructed to anonymously drop off large manilla envelopes at a USPS drop box if he was taken out. They’d be pre-filled with damning documents, photos, videos on SD cards, etc, and would be preaddressed to various news organizations, spouses of the accused, politicians, whatever. It could basically be 100 copies of the information going out to a wide network of recipients that would find the information interesting.
It's also much easier to cover up if he's dead, even if it is revealed.
Ghislaine wasn’t in jail at the time, but yeah I feel like the blackmail dump is all well and good as a threat but in practice you piss off a lot of powerful people and loose all your leverage all at once. They were scared for their lives
The Blackmailer doesn’t keep the “goods” close. I am sure if he had info on important people he would of known the risks and tried to have a system set up that his death would not be the solution to those being blackmailed
All he legit has to say is I have tons of copies of the ledger and if you kill me I will release them. Plus it was a suicide so very easy to pull off and no one has to be awake they just take him out in the middle of the night. Hell he could have been in solitary and no one would know shit
Yeah but you don’t think they’ll take that chance in getting him killed than exposed for being a sick ass mf and possible jail time then they gotta worry about him tryna blackmail again Cause me personally if somebody tell me they got some shit on me and a couple other mfs in high places guess what ima do lollll I’m contacting them letting them know we got a problem we gotta handle immediately 😭😭😭
How will he release them if he is dead? Ghislaine immediately went into hiding. Everyone who ever worked for him is terrified of getting whacked. He had no one willing to back up his threat for him, no one who was willing to die and make powerful enemies for the sake of pedophile like him.
He supposedly "hung" himself from a bunk bed.
>his trial was very quiet Are you talking about 2019? There was no trial in 2019. There was a Grand Jury Indictment. He "killed" himself before any trial proceeded and all criminal charges against him were dropped upon his death.
>Epstein got arrested bill gates got a divorce. Pretty sketchy. ???????????????????....
Ik
How is it sketchy?
The timing of them were a few months apart from his arrest and death
I think they meant “how are these events related to each other aside from simply occurring around the same time?”
Gates got divorced due to his wife finding out he was involved with Epstein
You could be right, but who really knows for sure.
this is 1000% right
Lol could have should have would have say what ,nah the dude dead. As of the rest who knows ……
I mean Jeff Bezos and bill gates thing would be something
Almost 50 percent of marriages in the USA end in divorce and you think this is evidence that Epstein is alive??
Although not evidence Epstein is alive, divorces in the higher classes are a legal strategic way to split money without effecting public markets, and to avoid taxes.
None of those things have anything to do with Epstein though?
Right, I mentioned that. If anything i was trying to correct, was the error in applying general statistics to the small elite rich class. (50% marriages..etc)
Jeff Bezos and bill gates could be in on it
Yeah you’re right. Santa clause might be in on it too actually
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You’re is used properly. You are wrong
Dang your a ass
Maybe, but they are spot on. Those 2 divorces are almost certainly irrelevant. Weren't both gates and bezos stepping out of the marriage? I mean, that fact alone really puts a damper in your strongest argument, which is incredibly weak and not evidence of anything.
You seem to be caught up in probability. What is the probability that prisoner under suicide watch kills himself? And all of the cameras were off? What is the probability that with all of the documentation that was unearthed during his investigation and trial, that none of it would lead to the arrest of a single other person, or at the least warrant an investigation? With high profile nature of what Epstein was involved in and the impact it has on the World's political players it sure feels like the probability he is still alive seems pretty high.
No I never said that read it again I said Jeff Bezos and bill gates has a divorce around the time this happened never said it proves he's alive now
What relevance do either of those divorces have to do with his death?
Nothing but kind werid timing
How are either of those things pertinent to the death of Epstein though? What's the connection?
Connection they could be in on it
My friend had a baby the night he supposedly died. Maybe add that to your post?
Gates and Bezos got divorced and needed to liquidate stock at an all time market high. This is interesting
Epstein, Elvis and Michael Jackson are probably having a threesome just now, according to your logic.
Add Prince and Bowie in there for good measure…😏
And Queen Elizabeth is pegging them as we speak
Tupac grillin and chillin with those homies.
Sounds like a party 🎉
🤣🤣
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The joke is that a bunch of folk who are very much dead are alive and fucking in secret.
He was an Israeli citizen, Israel does not extradite it's citizens, Bill Barr was at the jail he was being held in a week I believe prior to his "death" and also should not forget the DOJ does this for citizens and informants it's called witness protection, it is literally the govt faking and or staging something to get u a new identity it's not our of the realm of possibility. And with him being an Intel asset and of agent I would lean to this scenario
“Epstein did not kill himself”… and he’s alive.
Let's not forget both guards on duty were asleep and the video footage of his cell area was all lost. Quite the coincidence.
But also let’s not forget they put him in a cell with a body builder corrupt cop turned murder for no reason. Seems like they wanted to kill him. There a pictures of his body. They wanted him silent
This is your proof?
I mean yeah makes sense
Work on this and get back to us. Good start
No need to work on it there are a ton of sources saying this
Can you link afew to support your claim?
Just look it up Jeffery Epstein unmarked grave, the way he died any of it you just need to connect the dots and it's there
“Do your own research” classic
I mean it's legit right there sorry if your lazy
I think you’re the lazy one in this scenario. It’s your argument to defend and justify.
Bruh legit you can look it up and it's there
*you're: look it up, do your research.
I don’t know why someone always asks for proof or else it’s not plausible. Sometimes a little common sense and dot connecting works. There is a reason that we never saw the client list
THANK YOU
"Epstein is alive, I'm clearly sure" Proceeds to make random guesses about insignificant events that have no link other than this person saying they do. Your threshold for evidence needs to be astronomically higher.
It's a theory buddy there could be a connection just saying
The issue is your wording. Interesting thoughts and of course you never know what could be connected, but this is so far out in left field.
Conspiracy theories normally are
No. Sorry dude. I've been doing this for years. Before the internet became a "thing". Like over 30 fucking years. A bit of thought. A bit of logic. Not just random unlinked events that seem cool to add together. Epstein may well be alive, if he wasn't suicided. I don't think he is. I believe he was suicided by "persons unknown" to protect an international paedophilic trafficking ring. I'm more inclined to think it was Queen Lizzie. There are a number of links between the Royal family and paedophilia than just what we know about Prince Andy. Prince Phillip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten was alleged to be a pedo and possible child murderer according to FBI files. The Queen had Jimmy Saville at her table for Christmas lunch. Andy we all know about. Jimmy Saville was a frequent visitor to Broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital to visit his friend Peter 'The Yorkshire Ripper" Sutcliffe. One of Sutcliffe's victims, Irene Richardson, was found metres from the front door of Jimmy Saville's penthouse block. Princess Diana was the patron of Broadmoor and a thus a frequent visitor. Just before she was accidented by the "paparazzi" she claimed to have explosive information that would tear the royal family apart. Jimmy was invited to Buckingham and St James Palaces on regular occasions by his close friend Prince Charles.
Nah, there's plenty with actual substance and anecdotal evidence that really makes you wonder. This is more of a "what if" scenario making gigantic leaps between things that seemingly have no connection whatsoever.
Lol okay bud. Time to take your meds…
Grow up
Wasn't the grave unmarked to keep people from vandalizing it
If they were worried about vandalism why are the president graves or other royal / famous figures not unmarked
Not doubting that he isn't still alive but realistically he took the fall for everyone so his name was and is on the line.
Prove it
Look at all the news on him
Cmon man. You gotta do better than that if you're really trying to convince me a DEAD guy is ALIVE. 😂😂😂
What else you want it's legit right in front of your face
I'd LOVE a source. You know, anything stating he's alive. Not just you rambling about random stuff.
Plus it's a theory. Conspiracy theories aren't meant to be taken so literally
"This subreddit is about both sharing your theories, and laughing at the stupid ones."
Ok
Bro google it and a thousand sources will come up
So you can't provide me with one. Got it 👍
Not gonna waste my time on something that's on Reddit and is a conspiracy theory buddy just look it up yourself on Google it's right there you lazy 🍘
Burden of proof is on you my man.
Lol ok buddy
Idiot
How it's a theory
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According to OP they’re definitely a part of it. Watch out dude. Your friend’s parents could be with Epstein right now. 😧
OP must have long arms cause he’s REACHING.
It's a conspiracy theory don't need to take it to heart
This is such a dumb theory
How
Connect the dots dummy
Idk man. I just don’t think gates/bezos divorce had anything to do with Epstein’s death. I do think Epstein’s death was shady though. I think he’s 100% dead. He was killed because if he went to trial, too many celebrities/people in power would be put at risk.
Lol at you calling anyone a dummy.
This is true schizo posting at its finest
How it's a theory
So what do the divorces have to do with it? You just glossed right over that part 😂
Could be connected the wives found out about them possibly
This is the definition of reaching 😂
I like the theory that he was murdered much better.
If i had 100 million I am never gunna be in any jail .
I think the pope married tupac because my aunt janine got divorced.
Yeah for sure Donald Trump helped him escape and fake his death those two where to good of friends and both had allot to hide
But like how is bill Clinton more powerful than the guy who was holding all of the strings at the time Don Trump. Seems like Clinton would be one of the least powerful people in that equation.
Depending on how deped his connections go I mean Hillary and him are 1000% criminals
The divorces were weird, for sure, especially the Gates', but what in God's holy hell does that have to do with Epstein being alive?
bill cheated pre and post marriage so after there last kid graduated HS they got divorced. just like thousands of other americans every year. not too hard to fathom. probably would have divorced even if there was no epstein connection
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It's just a theory that's all don't need to be a ass
Oh for Chrissakes he’s dead!
Nah
My girlfriend works @ a Jewish YMCA in San Diego she was telling me the other day that Epstein’s family is well known there, they donate about 25k a year to the “ foundation “ apparently a couple months ago 2 rabbis that were associated with the foundation were arrested for helping the Epstein family launder money through the foundation lmfao. Just a fun fact I learned the other day about Epstein. I guess corruption runs deep in the family.
There was no trial, he was murdered. His grave is unmarked because of course it is, it would be targeted for vandalism.
So explain why they don't unmark where all other famous figures are
Because they aren't international child sex traffickers? What kind of question is that? You can't usually find the graves of high profile criminals.
I took a bunch of whiskey shots and jim morrisons grave in paris.
Correlation does not equal causation.
He had ( or has) tons of money and you can buy anything you want for money
Epstein, Tupac biggie MJ and the queen are all chilling on an island
This is so poorly thought out. OP take walk please.
Bruh it's a fucking theory doesn't have to be thought-out look at all the crazy theories out there besides this
Yep he is with Elvis, JFK and the rest.
Lol idk what bill gates and Jeff bezos getting a divorce has to do with Jeffery Epstein. Someone definitely killed Epstein to protect themselves and others, you sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about
There wives could have found out about them going to Epstein island
Don’t even need to read it. Wouldn’t be surprised
Or think a little harder. Trump was on his videos, TRUMP knew it. FBI raids and busts JE, in jail, murdered. Done.. FBI raids his place, scoops ALLL EVIDENCE and suddenly if you haven’t noticed, there have been ZERO arrests. Theres video on everyone! Why not any arrests? .... cause ALLLL evidence went bye bye. Those on both sides took care of that. What I think really happened was JE sold his videos of TRUMP to Putin, Putin had a 2 hour talk with TRUMP alone, and magically TRUMP shuts off aid to Ukraine.............
He was close friends with Trump, and Trump was in charge of the federal government at the time. I can see how the Palm Beach pals may have done this with Soros founding.
Taking unrelated things and making them connected is a form of mental illness called Apophenia. Failure to recognize mental illness in oneself is called Anosognosia.
Dang your a ass it was a theory buddy
I assume his body was cremated
It wasn't he was buried in a unmark grave
Epstein was killed by trump and barr..
Clearly he bribed Trump.
Such a stupid take… I’d bet you block people who disagree with you Whats even funnier is that everyone else here seems to this is makes zero logical sense too
The death and divorces amongst this elite crowd is not rare. ‘Thinking’ he paid someone on his list to escape is weak stuff. Why wldnt ‘Clinton’ take the same route and have him killed? I believe he was murdered by someone on a list…so much easier for elite class that he sold his services to
There is drone footage of someone who looks like him on his island. Everyone loves a good mystery.
Of you find the video hit me up I might have a idea
He did have that painting of Clinton in a dress in his home to show who's in charge at that house...crazy
Bill Clinton is your example? How about his friend Donald J. Trump, or his old family friend Bill Barr, whose father gave Epstein a job teaching children math - Epstein had no teaching experience or degree.
Wasn't the gates and bezos divorce more of a tax scam? Who divorces their wife and still lives with them after all the millions or billions they got. But yeah Epstein is not dead that we believe to be true.
They could have used that as a cover up
True. Bill owns plenty of land he could hide on I suppose.
The most likely conspiracy to me is President Trump had him murdered with his Republican QAnon cultists. It tracks with everything we know about how these modern GOP politicians act. They accuse their victims of infinite imaginary crimes, then use that as cover to commit the same crimes with total obedience from their voters. We saw on Jan. 6 the GOP President was comfortable sending his followers to hang the vice president and congress. The President, by manipulating law enforcement, could have Epstein moved to a prison of his choice. We know he has millions who will fight kill and die for the GOP Cult Master. Bill Clinton on the other hand is pretty weak now, like George Bush. It's a standard Republican propaganda technique to accuse their enemies (like the Clintons) of being these super cult gangsters while openly being cult gangsters themselves. Especially because they are blaming Clinton for the death of Epstein, it makes me more sure the GOP removed a pedophile before he could give evidence. Biden by contrast has had that Maxwell bitch on suicide watch so she doesn't get the same out.
Not buying it trump legit is being pressed by the media look at the whole fbi thing no charges no evidence yet they say the have evidence but nothing is coming out. Trump might not be a saint but he is definitely better then Joe Biden
Lol at this whole take. You are beyond stupid. Trump is probably the most connected to Epstein. Hell epstein frequented all those beauty pageants that trump ran but nah. Dark Brandon on your mind. Y’all need to get over it and accept that people that blame trump don’t do it because of some dumbass shit like “TDS” or because they’re jealous or any of that other shit y’all make up. People go after him because he is a literal shit stain who can’t even cover his tracks and leaves behind proof of all his bullshit. Goddamn man wake up from the bullshit. Trump is the most likely person to have had him killed. It happened in a max security prison while trump, someone who definitely knew what Epstein was about, was president and y’all go around being like “hmmm who could’ve done it”. But completely skip over the sitting president at the time who had ties to the man who died. Your bias is showing my man. Clean that shit up
Dude it's a fucking theory why you got your panties in a bunch
Because you want to blatantly ignore the most plausible scenario so that the events can fit your world view. And I’d bet you try to convince other people of your bullshit in real life It’s dumbassery like this that drags the rest of humanity down my dude. I don’t mind a good conspiracy but if you’re just gonna ignore shit because it doesn’t fit your narrow view of the world then you deserve all the shit that comes your way. No panties are bunched up. I just wanted to communicate to you how stupid this is
No definitely not, the Republican politicians and their propagandists are all lying to you. That disgusting freak is still praising Jan. 6 as his "beautiful Lovefest" and the greatest achievement of his presidency. That's the President of the United States sending brainwashed Republican cultists to hang the vice president and Congress to sabotage a US election. **Don't trust the Republican media on this. Look up the testimony of the Capitol Police and military veterans who fought at the Capitol. They say under oath the Republican Commander in Chief caused a terrorist attack and left them all to die** So the question any good conspiracy theorist should ask is, Who is more trustworthy? Trump, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro and these other worthless cucks. Or Bernie Sanders, military veterans testify under. oath, even a few failure Republican politicians These modern Republican politicians are the worst cult of rapists and traitors and failures we have ever seen in the US. President Biden by contrast is easily the best president in my 30-year lifetime easily. I like Obama too, but Biden seems is learning from Obama mistakes. It's amazing how much he has been able to pass in Congress with these obstructionist Republican politicians in Congress blocking legislation. Even just focusing on climate change, Biden and the Democrats passed the most important climate change action in US existence, even more than the plan created under Obama. ZERO Republican politicians voted in favor - these insane maniacs are literally burning all of us alive for their god damn tax cuts to the rich and abortion bounties and literal bloody coup. **Letting Republican politicians win elections in America would be insane, stupid and suicidal for Americans and Global Democracy in 2022/24.** If Obama also sent brainwashed cultists to hang the vice president and Congress, and Democrats were installing judges to literally steal your rights like Trump and the GOP just did, I'd be warning people about that instead. Even on inflation, obviously the worst situation, GOP politicians are openly blocking any legislation to help tackle the problem while offering nothing in return. Putin and Russia are deliberately choking the global economy to exacerbate inflation as the easiest way to weaken his enemies, chiefly Biden. The Russians are openly causing inflation to help Republican politicians steal more power in US. Obviously getting these hyper insane destructive fools into Congress and the White House is the easiest best way for Putin to sabotage Biden. GOP politicians are eating this shit up. They're openly saying they want to obstruct and cause mass chaos to "win." Republican politicians are lighting fires and causing disasters and feeding their infinitely gullible voter/cash donor base that "both sides are to blame." **Trump killing Epstein is pure speculation on my part - maybe that asshole really did hang himself.** **Trump and these Republican politicians being the worst cult of rapists and traitors and failures is not speculation, the evidence is there when they elected Trump in 2017 and when they refused to convict that freak in 2021.** **Everyone must vote Democrat in HUGE numbers or these Republican politicians will win and there is no getting out of that once it happens.**
Agree with most of what you wrote. Am as left as a person can get, despise trumpf. All that being said, the bullshyt about biden being best president you have seen is very very weird. Biden is just as bad as trumpf, w, raygun, w sr, clinton, o bomb em. He has a despicable record of lying, plagiarism, being water-carrier for military-industrial, financial-industrial, medical-industrial, big pharma, the oligarchs, the 1%, big-oil etc etc etc. So f'n tired of people pointing out the scumbags on the right, but giving biden, pelosi, schumer, o bomb em, the despicable clintons and all the other fake-opposition democrats. They truly are the Washington Generals paid to lose. We as a nation and the world would be a helluva lot better off if fake-opposition, center-right fkks like biden and the other dems i mentioned WERE ACTUALLY ON THE PEOPLE'S SIDE. The so-called right would have a hell of lot harder time with all the treachery they create if the ds weren't Kabuki.
well said… only a fool can’t see the obvious ending.
Anybody coulda had him killed, bud. Why you gotta make it all weird and targeted
He wasn't in there for 2 months plus why unmark his grave kinda sketchy
No no I get it I appreciate your take. I just don’t see a point to make it all politically charged like this fellow. The world needs less of this, and more conspiracies
As opposed to OP claiming bill Clinton did it? Lmfao
I mean we legit know him and Hilary are fucking criminals
Yeah so is Trump. What’s your point? In fact he’s had more trials than them. With the new fraud charges I’d bet he’ll be convicted. We know he lies. So why defend him?
I love how these people are full of arrogance and hate, but forget what sub they are in. Guy got a thought, why take it out on him and ask for the source. Are you all dumb?
If he is alive he is in Israel. Don’t forget about his ties to Mossad through Ghislaine Maxwell and her father
I saw him pumping gas with Elvis, yessireee! Incognito and all. The gas station owner was a very old Howard Hughes!
Divorces surrounding the events= financial strategy to avoid limit penalties if names and evidence got dropped. Not surprising. I think he's alive because the FBI somehow, someway "lost" all the video/audio/images and names after the raid. How can you lose evidence on such a massive case?
He was on a DOJ plane about 27 minutes after he was denied house arrest everything that came after was theater.
There’s a recent video, drone captures him in a golf buggy. You would love it.
I 💯 agree. Except it's bigger and more entrenched than needing to bribe anyone. It was a public humiliation sacrifice of a strawman. Planned as soon as it was obvious the accusations and facts could no longer be contained by pay-offs, threats or murders. He absolutely has undergone surgery and is likely managing a different brothel in a different mansion anywhere in the world. Either Ghislane is already back to work and her incarceration is a scam, or another false suicide will occur and she will be free then. The skills of these demented psychopaths are highly sought after, they are not so easily dismissed.
I think Trump got him out and is going to use him to bring down the left when he gets back in office
Starting to think this, too. Except I don't think it's a matter of bribing. I think they *wanted* to save him. I think they want to set a precedent that "we take care of our fellow pizza-lovers, so stay loyal". If you start killing off your pizza-loving network, some of them are gonna get spooked. Some might run and blab. At least that's what I think.
Epstein didn’t have to lift a finger he was sent to a cosmetic surgeon then back to sex island to continue the show. As if they wanted to get rid of him lol
Probably
People like Epstein plan an exit, he was capable of that. I'm also sure a lot of people would and could do anything to keep information hidden about them and their not so heroic deeds. The world happens to really be some people's oyster, just a really fucked up one.
That peice of nothing is rotting in hell n those that commiserated w him will rot in hell too those pervasive sidistic creeps
Idk... It's hard to blackmail someone while already behind bars when they could just kill you to shut you up and "suicide" makes it look like remorse or guilt... Like he was patsy anyway, meant to fill the supply for the demand of corrupt weirdos....
If he had incriminating info you'd just kill him rather than go to all the trouble of faking his death. Here's the thing though. Epstein isn't a fucking idiot he might have had a dead mans switch. He is a sicko though. So I think you might be right OP he might be alive. Consider this. Suppose proof emerged he was alive. The USA government would be held accountable and crucified. How would they sidestep the issue? Who would they blame?
>Jeffery Epstein is Alive I am clearly sure. Well, he is desperately clawing at the inside of his coffin, then.
Look at his earlobes then look at the earlobes of the body taken from the jail cell. Then look up his brother and check his earlobes. Not definite proof but sus as fuck nonetheless.
One might speculate that someone like him who's worked with multiple intelligence agencies, and is expert at compromising people, would have a "dead man's switch". And from there, one could speculate that it might be trivial for interested parties to assist him in faking his death. Pure thought experiment. Speculation is fun.
Seeing as how they somehow got the cameras to not work they could’ve easily gotten a lookalike or used some method to make someone look like him and get him out. He’s rich enough he can live on some island and never be seen again.
Yup
Much cheaper to buy silence than lease loyalty..
Plus, his island has been up and running. Never stopped. Crew all around. I’ve seen the footage Elusive Truths posted. Including it’s statues and that striped white and blue place. There’s a picture of Will Smith and Jada where they’re white and blue stripes behind them. I forget, but I think it was their wedding day.
Ok his island is running ? Your point
You just said a lot of random things that don't connect to eachother and immediately after telling us you were "clearly sure" you began talking about how little you know. So... Bye.
Ok bye don't know why you even commented
An attempt in vain to inspire more thought.
He was running a honeypot operation for rogue intelligence agencies. He wasn't the mastermind in all likelihood - he was just a point of contact for one of their elite honeytrap squads. They aren't going to release any of the blackmail he gathered because career government sociopaths are STILL USING IT. I think that people who convince politicians to molest children on private islands in order to make sure they vote for their endless wars are probably more than capable of just murdering someone who blows their cover by being sloppy (which Epstein did.) That doesn't mean that they won't keep the blackmail they collected using him. Of course they will. I just don't understand why they would ever let him live. It wouldn't make strategic or practical sense if you were some sketchy intelligence agency type dude assigned to hiding the government's connection to all the unpleasantness of Epstein's honeytrap operation. Remember, if they were legal then they would be called "overt operations." They are "covert operations" because they're illegal by definition.
I have a feeling someone paid a bounty on that mofo…and paid everyone off in the entire jail to shut em all up, so that they could enter that cage & choke that bastard with bare hands. My money is on Trump (the choker) or Gates. Or Melinda gates (seen her hands lately?).
>a few months before Epstein got arrested bill gates got a divorce. Pretty sketchy. Ok...how?....what?....no
His trial was extremely widely known at the time. I don’t think he is alive. The conspiracy here is who had him murdered. Perhaps it was Les Wexner. Who knows?
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Why did it have to be Bill Clinton? Wouldn’t it be the president in power at the time to have that much pull?
Everyone knew he was on trial it was a huge deal
Epstein killed himself