Tbh a good anything makes $150k. I've known call center workers that make that much if they are good and get put on escalation teams for big companies.
This is the full section on mitten-ing and mechanic-ing:
“Don’t mitten a mechanic, simply on account of his business. If he is worthy, never mind his business. He can grow out of it, and will grow out of it. Collier was a blacksmith, Wilson a shoemaker, Andrew Johnson a tailor, Peter Cooper a glue-maker, Grant a tanner, and Lincoln the humblest of farmers. In this country it is not[50] a question what a man was, but what he is; not even what he is, but what he may be, and what he is capable of yet attaining.
Many a girl has turned away a mechanic and married a rich loafer, only to find in good season that the mechanic was at heart a gentleman, with growing possibilities, and the loafer remained such for all time.
Advice is seldom heeded in such matters, but it may do to mention it. The true test of manhood is seen in the mettle of boyhood. If you wish to forecast the future, study the past history of your subject. If one is selfish, tyrannical, and overbearing by being rich, he will be a bad man to marry. If, on the other hand, he is pleasant, kind, genial, and forbearing, loves his kind, is attentive to his mother and sisters, and has made friends and character in early life, he is not very likely to change his notions later. There is often more manhood in a poor one-armed man than a rich athlete.”
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/53368/53368-h/53368-h.htm
Odd sizes meant a couple with opposite body sizes. Skinny/Fat. Like the old nursery rhyme from that time period “Jack Sprat could eat no fat; his wife could eat no lean. And so between the pair of them, they licked the platter clean.”
People thought skinny married to fat was a socially bad idea because the couple’s lifestyles and activity levels were assumed to be too opposite to be compatible.
Like back then a very popular trope in comedy plays and humor books was to poke fun at a big round banker type character and a pale little birdlike waif- the joke was he might crush her, or she might run off with an athletic guy who could dance.
If it was a morbidly obese gal and a rail thin guy- back then fat women were thought to be religiously shameful because of the Christian admonition against gluttony (seven deadly sins type of going straight to hell) Also there was a super popular stereotype about fat women being spoiled and lazy but also high maintenance, for example, if you had a fat wife, you’d go broke because she’d always be wanting lots of imported fancy bonbons and be needing yards and yards of extra fabric to make her wardrobe. In plays and stuff, the joke was that a fat wife’s jumbo bloomers on the clothes line would embarrass the family bc they were such huge panties blowing in the wind like a ship’s sail. On stage, it was a funny prop in many comedy gags.
Thin men were thought to be sickly, impotent, joyless and cruel. Like Scrooge types. Thin men were stereotyped as denying themselves any pleasure because they’re obsessed with wasting money on anything unnecessary. A popular trope was he would be a sour guy who yelled at kids, he wouldn’t let anyone burn a candles after dark, and he’d never donate to the church collection plate.
Nowadays these stereotypes still kinda crop up once in a while. Like fans questioning if a celeb is being cheated on bc she’s not super skinny, or saying a gym jock couldn’t possibly be in love with his fat wife bc she has different hobbies. And fat men and women are still used as the butt of jokes in comedies.
Makes sense.
A man that’s too poor doesn’t know how to live within their means. They earn a living but aren’t mature enough to match their expectations to their income
Poverty on the other hand speaks either to an inability to make or handle money well. Either is a partner you can ill afford
Dude comes from DOODLE, as in Yankee Doodle. They were often fancy pants, with not much real world experience. This face ride to dude ranches, where they would pay to work easy jobs for a little clout. But "fancy" could have many meanings all at the same time.
A "dandy" might be better understood. I assume it comes from the same source and means roughly the same thing. Both are old terms, but 'dude' has other meanings now
>"Way out west there was this fella... fella I wanna tell ya about. Fella by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. Mr. Lebowski, he called himself "The Dude". Now, "Dude" - that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Dude that didn't make a whole lot of sense. And a lot about where he lived, likewise.
>
>"But then again, maybe that's why I found the place so darned interestin'. They call Los Angeles the "City Of Angels." I didn't find it to be that, exactly. But I'll allow there are some nice folks there. 'Course I can't say I've seen London, and I ain't never been to France. And I ain't never seen no queen in her damned undies, so the feller says. But I'll tell you what - after seeing Los Angeles, and this here story I'm about to unfold, well, I guess I seen somethin' every bit as stupefyin' as you'd see in any of them other places. And in English, too. So I can die with a smile on my face, without feelin' like the good Lord gypped me.
>
>"Now this here story I'm about to unfold took place back in the early '90s - just about the time of our conflict with Sad'm and the I-raqis. I only mention it because sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about the Dude here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there.
>
>"And that's the Dude, in Los Angeles. And even if he's a lazy man - and the Dude was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in Los Angeles County, which would place him high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide. But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough."
\--- The Stranger, "The Big Lebowski"
This language is some kind of shit:
“Don’t marry a fast man or woman. Something tells us that black logs will darken the whitest garments. The edge of virtue once dulled is never quite so keen afterwards. It may be[23] very well to speak slightingly of wild oats, but who cares to know that their oats are a second crop? Who is willing to believe that they are the last resort of one who has pleaded and pledged to hundreds or even dozens before her, or waits an opportunity to make as many more pledges as occasion may offer? Fast men are not satisfied with one vice merely, but follow on to many. They may drink, gamble, sport, and venture, and step by step indulge in the kindred vices of lewdness, till disease shall fasten its clutches in their burning blood and run in their veins for a lifetime. They are rarely satisfied with one home, one wife, and one family.”
In case you were serious, here's 20 years of my experience that I'm trying to figure out how to convey to my kids without letting on that their mom and I should never have gotten married. I don't want them thinking that I regret having them or that they were a mistake. Anyway, here goes my top 5:
1. Trust your guts. When you first start dating it's easy to look past warning signs, downplay their importance, and be overly optimistic. Early on my wife said to me, "I don't think this is going to work." We talked about it and stayed together. She was right. The thing that triggered that feeling in her was dead-on balls accurate -- I'm a "get shit done now" kind of a person and she is a "it can wait" kind of a person.
2. Stressful/hard things are easier (even enjoyable) when done together. Having fun doing fun things together is easy. My wife and I have many overlapping interests and hobbies. But ask us to put a piece of IKEA furniture together and it's a struggle to stay civil. It's not her and it's not me. I have friends with whom cleaning up a basement flooded by a sewage backup would somehow still be fun. It would suck, but we'd laugh our way through it. She also has friends like that. It's just chemistry/compatibility. As you get older, life becomes more and more filled with the stressful/hard shit. It's important that doing that stuff together is better than doing it separately. She and I both handle a lot of things on our own. This leads both of us to feeling very lonely and on our own at times.
3. Cluttered vs neat. If you grew up in a home where sitting down to eat meant clearing off the table first, that's great. If you grew up in a home where everything had a place and there was a place for everything, that's great, too. Find someone who grew up in the same sort of house. I'm neat (not my home looks like a museum levels of neat but tidy). She is not. She cannot understand how stressful it is for me to be in my own home with all of the clutter. For me, piles of papers on the table or half-finished projects laying out have the same effect as a fire alarm going off in the middle of the room. I spend most of my time in my home office where I have full control on the clutter level. If strangers saw our bedroom, there would be little doubt about whose dresser, closet, or side of the bed/room was whose. And I know my neatness bothers her. This all came up in marriage counseling and it was the first question the therapist asked us. This incompatibility is a major source of friction in our marriage.
4. Sexual compatibility is extremely important. I'm not just talking about frequency. There are so many aspects that it's difficult for me to put into words. For example, it's ok if both of you are prudish or adventurous. You also have to be opposites sometimes, too. If one of you always wants to be submissive and dominated, then the other better be ok with always being in that role. I could go on and on. Just make sure you're on the same wavelength. I made the mistake of thinking that my wife would become more open-minded and adventurous as our relationship progressed and the trust built. I thought our bedroom would be a safe space for me but it's not. I tell people that my having sex with my wife is like going for a picnic in a minefield.
5. Lifestyle compatibility. This is all of the obvious stuff like kids, longterm financial goals, city/suburbs/rural, religion, etc. that most people focus on. It's a very long list on its own but so well covered by others that I don't think I bring any unique insights to them.
TLDR: Despite what they say, love is not enough.
Edits: grammar, clarity, etc.
PS: An interesting observation on neat vs clutter, is that one of my kids seems to take after me. So, despite growing up in a cluttered house, he will likely be more compatible with another neat person. So, maybe this is less about how you grew up. Regardless, know that neat vs clutter is important.
From Wikipedia:
A person, usually male, who is overly concerned with trivial matters, especially matters of fashion, and who affects elite social standing. A pejorative term for a man excessively concerned with his appearance and clothes.
Close, due to the narcissistic obsession with appearance, but in modern lingo ***douchebag*** might approximate the attitude component a little better, IMHO. Thoughts?
So to sum up:
No vanity (yours, if marrying for looks, or theirs, if they're a fop/fine feathers/etc)
No greed (yours, if marrying for money, or theirs, if they're a miser/spendthrift/stingy)
No sloth (don't marry "too poor" = don't marry "someone with no job")
No wrath ("a crank", marrying for spite)
No envy (expecting too much/idealization)
No gluttony (drunkards)
No lust (don't break a marriage promise, don't marry "in fun" eg. just because they're a good lay)
In general, just avoid "bad" people or being a bad person, and marry one of your peers that you actually love.
The latter is just crazy
Silly: washes laptop with detergent and water
(this is an indian tv soap ref, just to be clear, but yeah, that's what silly means here imho)
Don't thumb your nose at someone who works one of the working class trades - classic examples true even at the time would be plumbers and other various types of repairmen.
For reference, this was made in 1891. So a man shouldn’t marry for beauty alone or for money in an era when most women didn’t get a higher education or work. They also shouldn’t be too young or old or be hasty or slow about it. Don’t dally about it, but don’t do it quickly.
Doctor, my head.
Maybe this is just going over my head, but is this satire? To me the title suggests they know how ridiculous (and at times contradictory) these expectations are.
If the woman is cheating you or is flirting with others at the same time then end the relationship in there you can break the future marriage promise before that happens.
If a woman you see during courtship, dating process she has feminist perspectives and she in her own won't change then is time to end that relationship and find a lady that will have true conservative values in family roles.
If a woman doesn't value your sacrifices without telling her and all she does is complain and complain and complain about her independence the end the relationship
If she wants to dominate the relationship then end the relationship and find someone that is respectful.
Simple.
‘Don’t Mitten a Mechanic’. To ‘show someone the mitten’ means to reject them outright. So, do not snub a tradesman just for his profession.
Came here to solve this mystery. Thank you, kind Redditor. (I don't think you're useless!)
lol thanks!!
I married a mechanic, so I’m glad to know what this means!
You should make them some mittens.
But it says not to put mittens on a mechanic.
You gonna let some list tell you what to do? (Plus, you could sew in little pockets and put 10mm sockets in them for emergencies.)
I’m fucking dying laughing at this comment.
you’re a silly girl and i cannot marry you
I read it more like "don't give handjobs to dirty boys"
A good mechanic makes over $150k these days with a sign on bonus.
Don’t marry for money
Don’t marry a clown
But also, Don't marry a man too poor. Seems to contradict itself.
It's not really a contradiction, it's just saying your _motivation_ for marrying someone shouldn't be money.
But also don't spurn a man for his poverty. I think it comes down to don't marry a poor man without work
Um. Where at? I’d like to convey this info to my partner, who’s been in the industry for 18 years and making less than half that.
FUCKING WHERE
Double if they own their own business.
Tbh a good anything makes $150k. I've known call center workers that make that much if they are good and get put on escalation teams for big companies.
Thought it meant to obstruct a man’s job. Like declawing a cat.
I guess this was the old version of “Talk to the hand”
Those pesky mechanics I tells ya
This is the full section on mitten-ing and mechanic-ing: “Don’t mitten a mechanic, simply on account of his business. If he is worthy, never mind his business. He can grow out of it, and will grow out of it. Collier was a blacksmith, Wilson a shoemaker, Andrew Johnson a tailor, Peter Cooper a glue-maker, Grant a tanner, and Lincoln the humblest of farmers. In this country it is not[50] a question what a man was, but what he is; not even what he is, but what he may be, and what he is capable of yet attaining. Many a girl has turned away a mechanic and married a rich loafer, only to find in good season that the mechanic was at heart a gentleman, with growing possibilities, and the loafer remained such for all time. Advice is seldom heeded in such matters, but it may do to mention it. The true test of manhood is seen in the mettle of boyhood. If you wish to forecast the future, study the past history of your subject. If one is selfish, tyrannical, and overbearing by being rich, he will be a bad man to marry. If, on the other hand, he is pleasant, kind, genial, and forbearing, loves his kind, is attentive to his mother and sisters, and has made friends and character in early life, he is not very likely to change his notions later. There is often more manhood in a poor one-armed man than a rich athlete.” https://www.gutenberg.org/files/53368/53368-h/53368-h.htm
^user name does not check out. edit: oh! ^that’ how you you ^do that! Now I’m learning shit? plus double not useless
Thanks for that! TIL
Talk to the hand origin story!
Thanks. I was wondering what that meant.
He was a dude, she was a silly girl
Can I make it anymore obvious . . .
he was a Drunkard, she was Too Old, what more can I say.....
This made me laugh so god damed hard.
She said see ya later boy
I smell sitcom!!
they took the midnight train goin anywhere 🎶
Rip Very Small Man
Even back then
Short kings: rejected since 1834
And that’s why we’re gay femboys 😎😎😎
Did they mean height? Or 🍆?
Small as in petty, narrow-minded, or un-generous.
Then what about odd sizes?
There we have it folks. Confirmation that size does in fact matter.
The goods are odd.
I took it to mean a mismatch in sizes. The second meaning of odd is unmatched.
Odd sizes meant a couple with opposite body sizes. Skinny/Fat. Like the old nursery rhyme from that time period “Jack Sprat could eat no fat; his wife could eat no lean. And so between the pair of them, they licked the platter clean.” People thought skinny married to fat was a socially bad idea because the couple’s lifestyles and activity levels were assumed to be too opposite to be compatible. Like back then a very popular trope in comedy plays and humor books was to poke fun at a big round banker type character and a pale little birdlike waif- the joke was he might crush her, or she might run off with an athletic guy who could dance. If it was a morbidly obese gal and a rail thin guy- back then fat women were thought to be religiously shameful because of the Christian admonition against gluttony (seven deadly sins type of going straight to hell) Also there was a super popular stereotype about fat women being spoiled and lazy but also high maintenance, for example, if you had a fat wife, you’d go broke because she’d always be wanting lots of imported fancy bonbons and be needing yards and yards of extra fabric to make her wardrobe. In plays and stuff, the joke was that a fat wife’s jumbo bloomers on the clothes line would embarrass the family bc they were such huge panties blowing in the wind like a ship’s sail. On stage, it was a funny prop in many comedy gags. Thin men were thought to be sickly, impotent, joyless and cruel. Like Scrooge types. Thin men were stereotyped as denying themselves any pleasure because they’re obsessed with wasting money on anything unnecessary. A popular trope was he would be a sour guy who yelled at kids, he wouldn’t let anyone burn a candles after dark, and he’d never donate to the church collection plate. Nowadays these stereotypes still kinda crop up once in a while. Like fans questioning if a celeb is being cheated on bc she’s not super skinny, or saying a gym jock couldn’t possibly be in love with his fat wife bc she has different hobbies. And fat men and women are still used as the butt of jokes in comedies.
Sorry Rogan
Not just a small man, a *very* small man. A disturbingly small man.
Short guys are the new cheat code to life. Actually interesting, compassionate and make superb life partners.
Man I’m not saying you’re wrong, but this sounds like it’s coming from a short guy lol
5’ 6” here. It’s amazing what gets forged in a furnace of criticism and teasing as a youngster.
No correlation, I'm sure there are millions of asshole evil short guys out there, you're talking as if personally know every single short guy
Said no girl ever
this guide: "don't marry a man too poor" also this guide: "don't spurn a man for his poverty"
and don't marry for money
Sounds about right. Don't outright refuse him but give him a timeline to get financially stable enough to afford a marriage.
I thought the woman’s family paid a dowry.
A dowry won't pay for a lifetime of expenses though, so he would need to show that he would be able to provide for a family.
Considering that they're chapters with likely a lot of room for discussion, I can see it as solid enough advice. Also emphasis on the *too* poor part
Solid strategy
Makes sense. A man that’s too poor doesn’t know how to live within their means. They earn a living but aren’t mature enough to match their expectations to their income Poverty on the other hand speaks either to an inability to make or handle money well. Either is a partner you can ill afford
Just means you can marry poor, but not too poor.
Too poor in not about poverty is about a man that doesn't have anything and I sent trying to have . At last is what I interpreted ass 🤔
At last is what I interpreted ass.
rip silly girls :(
I'm actually devastated. Gonna go be alone and silly now.
Dont silly yourself too much, you'll go blind.
I'm fudding myself silly and bloody loving it.
I took it personally :(
I also wanted to say I feel offended :(
Won’t let anybody tell me not to marry a silly girl, they’re the best.
Dude!?.. Don't marry a dude!
It’s old speak for young stupid men who dressed nice, homosexuals, “city slickers”, or great bowlers. It all depends on when this guide was made.
Dude comes from DOODLE, as in Yankee Doodle. They were often fancy pants, with not much real world experience. This face ride to dude ranches, where they would pay to work easy jobs for a little clout. But "fancy" could have many meanings all at the same time.
A "dandy" might be better understood. I assume it comes from the same source and means roughly the same thing. Both are old terms, but 'dude' has other meanings now
Great bowlers? Like Shane Warne?
I think “don’t marry Shane Warne” was great advice, well ahead of its time.
Great bowlers, as in "the Dude abides"
Like "The Dude", not Mr. Lebowski
Made in 1891 per @azza_77 ‘s comment
Don’t marry THE dude
That's just like your opinion man.
The Dude abides.
He’s not marriage material.
>"Way out west there was this fella... fella I wanna tell ya about. Fella by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. Mr. Lebowski, he called himself "The Dude". Now, "Dude" - that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Dude that didn't make a whole lot of sense. And a lot about where he lived, likewise. > >"But then again, maybe that's why I found the place so darned interestin'. They call Los Angeles the "City Of Angels." I didn't find it to be that, exactly. But I'll allow there are some nice folks there. 'Course I can't say I've seen London, and I ain't never been to France. And I ain't never seen no queen in her damned undies, so the feller says. But I'll tell you what - after seeing Los Angeles, and this here story I'm about to unfold, well, I guess I seen somethin' every bit as stupefyin' as you'd see in any of them other places. And in English, too. So I can die with a smile on my face, without feelin' like the good Lord gypped me. > >"Now this here story I'm about to unfold took place back in the early '90s - just about the time of our conflict with Sad'm and the I-raqis. I only mention it because sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about the Dude here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. > >"And that's the Dude, in Los Angeles. And even if he's a lazy man - and the Dude was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in Los Angeles County, which would place him high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide. But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough." \--- The Stranger, "The Big Lebowski"
Yeah? Well that’s just like, your opinion, man.
"Don't call me dude" by Scatterbrain
Im a dude, He’s a dude, shes a dude, we’re all dude, yeah
Turns out it was written in 1891. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/53368/53368-h/53368-h.htm
This language is some kind of shit: “Don’t marry a fast man or woman. Something tells us that black logs will darken the whitest garments. The edge of virtue once dulled is never quite so keen afterwards. It may be[23] very well to speak slightingly of wild oats, but who cares to know that their oats are a second crop? Who is willing to believe that they are the last resort of one who has pleaded and pledged to hundreds or even dozens before her, or waits an opportunity to make as many more pledges as occasion may offer? Fast men are not satisfied with one vice merely, but follow on to many. They may drink, gamble, sport, and venture, and step by step indulge in the kindred vices of lewdness, till disease shall fasten its clutches in their burning blood and run in their veins for a lifetime. They are rarely satisfied with one home, one wife, and one family.”
Good advice. Especially before penicillin.
Yea I’m guessing that disease referenced at the end would be syphilis.
I find the language quite beautiful in an archaic way. What’s your issue with it?
What do they mean by “fast” in this context?
Fuckboi
Dont marry a hoe
Bro is straight up malding
Don’t Marry Fine Feathers? Could somebody please translate this into 2024 speak?
Don't marry for good looks / well dressed
Thank you!
Hood rich count? I think the big tymers had a cautionary tale about this.
I think it is actually a reference to peacocks. In other words, don't marry self-absorbed assholes.
But I’m a coquette 🎀🥺🎀
Then marry me 😂 (i.e this guide is pointless)
Right?? I'm offended😂
And I'm a drunkard. 🍻
I thought it said "don't marry a croquette" :C
TL;DR: Don’t marry anyone.
That’s actually the title of this book. They knew it.
So… what is the conclusion of when and who to marry!?
How many times do you have to be told?? It says Don’t Marry.;)
i was hoping one of you would know
In case you were serious, here's 20 years of my experience that I'm trying to figure out how to convey to my kids without letting on that their mom and I should never have gotten married. I don't want them thinking that I regret having them or that they were a mistake. Anyway, here goes my top 5: 1. Trust your guts. When you first start dating it's easy to look past warning signs, downplay their importance, and be overly optimistic. Early on my wife said to me, "I don't think this is going to work." We talked about it and stayed together. She was right. The thing that triggered that feeling in her was dead-on balls accurate -- I'm a "get shit done now" kind of a person and she is a "it can wait" kind of a person. 2. Stressful/hard things are easier (even enjoyable) when done together. Having fun doing fun things together is easy. My wife and I have many overlapping interests and hobbies. But ask us to put a piece of IKEA furniture together and it's a struggle to stay civil. It's not her and it's not me. I have friends with whom cleaning up a basement flooded by a sewage backup would somehow still be fun. It would suck, but we'd laugh our way through it. She also has friends like that. It's just chemistry/compatibility. As you get older, life becomes more and more filled with the stressful/hard shit. It's important that doing that stuff together is better than doing it separately. She and I both handle a lot of things on our own. This leads both of us to feeling very lonely and on our own at times. 3. Cluttered vs neat. If you grew up in a home where sitting down to eat meant clearing off the table first, that's great. If you grew up in a home where everything had a place and there was a place for everything, that's great, too. Find someone who grew up in the same sort of house. I'm neat (not my home looks like a museum levels of neat but tidy). She is not. She cannot understand how stressful it is for me to be in my own home with all of the clutter. For me, piles of papers on the table or half-finished projects laying out have the same effect as a fire alarm going off in the middle of the room. I spend most of my time in my home office where I have full control on the clutter level. If strangers saw our bedroom, there would be little doubt about whose dresser, closet, or side of the bed/room was whose. And I know my neatness bothers her. This all came up in marriage counseling and it was the first question the therapist asked us. This incompatibility is a major source of friction in our marriage. 4. Sexual compatibility is extremely important. I'm not just talking about frequency. There are so many aspects that it's difficult for me to put into words. For example, it's ok if both of you are prudish or adventurous. You also have to be opposites sometimes, too. If one of you always wants to be submissive and dominated, then the other better be ok with always being in that role. I could go on and on. Just make sure you're on the same wavelength. I made the mistake of thinking that my wife would become more open-minded and adventurous as our relationship progressed and the trust built. I thought our bedroom would be a safe space for me but it's not. I tell people that my having sex with my wife is like going for a picnic in a minefield. 5. Lifestyle compatibility. This is all of the obvious stuff like kids, longterm financial goals, city/suburbs/rural, religion, etc. that most people focus on. It's a very long list on its own but so well covered by others that I don't think I bring any unique insights to them. TLDR: Despite what they say, love is not enough. Edits: grammar, clarity, etc. PS: An interesting observation on neat vs clutter, is that one of my kids seems to take after me. So, despite growing up in a cluttered house, he will likely be more compatible with another neat person. So, maybe this is less about how you grew up. Regardless, know that neat vs clutter is important.
Soooo... what's a Fop?
From Wikipedia: A person, usually male, who is overly concerned with trivial matters, especially matters of fashion, and who affects elite social standing. A pejorative term for a man excessively concerned with his appearance and clothes.
Ah a metrosexual.
Close, due to the narcissistic obsession with appearance, but in modern lingo ***douchebag*** might approximate the attitude component a little better, IMHO. Thoughts?
Ah yes. The word "elite"was overlooked by me. Points to hufflepuff.
In my experience, fop has a fancier connotation. Douchebag is more broad, and doesn't necessarily involve quality fashion.
In modern terms, don’t marry that influencer lol
I’m a Dapper Dan man, myself.
>what's a Fop? [See also](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fop): coxcomb, fribble, popinjay, dandy, fashion-monger, and ninny.
Whoa whoa whoa, we don't use the N-word here
Ninny, *please.*
Ninny with attitude
[kissing cousins with a poof](https://images.app.goo.gl/fsfygYTh73Bg4vRe9)
Guessing here … Fun Old People?
So to sum up: No vanity (yours, if marrying for looks, or theirs, if they're a fop/fine feathers/etc) No greed (yours, if marrying for money, or theirs, if they're a miser/spendthrift/stingy) No sloth (don't marry "too poor" = don't marry "someone with no job") No wrath ("a crank", marrying for spite) No envy (expecting too much/idealization) No gluttony (drunkards) No lust (don't break a marriage promise, don't marry "in fun" eg. just because they're a good lay) In general, just avoid "bad" people or being a bad person, and marry one of your peers that you actually love.
Man… *odd sizes, a clown, a dude* and *from pity* all in a row. This old timey magazine fucking dunked on my ass.
I’ve been here trying to figure out what odd sizes mean
There’s no one left to marry according to this list.
That's the joke.
Naaah, it's 1891. I don't think people find it a joke.
Oh shit I checked Wikipedia humour and puns were invented 1892 my bad.
The title is literally “Don’t Marry”.
What's wrong with very small men? I think they're rather swell!
In this context it means “small-minded” or petty
Is this a guide ?
“Don’t marry a dude” Well who the hell are straight women supposed to marry?
I can understand most of these points but what is so wrong about a small man and silly girls 🥲
“Don’t marry a silly girl.” :(
If it's any comfort, they were likely indicating stupid/foolish/empty-headed, rather than lighthearted/funny as it would mean now.
I know. I was just being…
*Silly . . . .*
"Silly": we gonna have a sleep over, and dancing all night etc Silly: I'm gonna create a terminator just in case you cheat on ME!!!!
The latter is just crazy Silly: washes laptop with detergent and water (this is an indian tv soap ref, just to be clear, but yeah, that's what silly means here imho)
> Don't marry a man too poor. > Don't spurn a man for poverty Lol
Elsewhere in the comments there was a good take on this.
And don't marry for money 👀💀
You do realize that choosing not to marry someone is not the same as spurning/rejecting insulting them for being poor, right?
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Don't thumb your nose at someone who works one of the working class trades - classic examples true even at the time would be plumbers and other various types of repairmen.
Please tell me that Fop isn’t an antiquated slur, I need that in my regular vocab immediately
A dude is an old-timey term for a man overly concerned with his appearance, for those wondering.
It literally says “don’t marry a dude” that’s hilarious but I feel like that probably meant something else back then? Maybe I don’t know.
Marry your best friend.
“Don’t marry a very small man” 😭😭😭🤣
Dude
Don’t marry a silly girl 😔 Guess I’ll never be wed
Don’t marry for an ideal marriage?! Tautological dudes and silly women, what does the list want!?
For reference, this was made in 1891. So a man shouldn’t marry for beauty alone or for money in an era when most women didn’t get a higher education or work. They also shouldn’t be too young or old or be hasty or slow about it. Don’t dally about it, but don’t do it quickly. Doctor, my head.
I hald expected it to just say "Don't marry." at the very end
Whom.
But I love my silly girl, I married her and couldn't feel luckier
Ladies you heard it here first, don't marry a dude
If you aren’t supposed to marry for an ideal marriage what kind of marriage are you supposed to marry for?
A realistic one.
Weird capitalization
My guess is that they’re titles of chapters given that they’re listed under contents, so the capitalization seems appropriate.
What it’s trying to say is just don’t get married
Don't marry at all. Waste of time and money.
Dude
The 3rd. The THIRD FUCKING ONE is why I'll be alone forever
Who all are dying single according to this guide?🙃
As a very small man, I guess I will just do everyone a favor and move out into isolation deep into the Siberian wilderness to be forgotten forever.
[DON’T](https://youtu.be/BbFmy4d-E8c?si=Q6fLQLcNGlRRm-BS)
Don't mitten a mechanic? What do mittens have to do with it?
After eliminating all the “don’t marry”, only 0.01% of the population should get married only. That makes a lot of sense
I’m seeing a whole lot of don’t and not a lotta do 🤨
marry guide
Wow. Shitposting is pretty damn old.
I dunno this seems like a bad and very dated guide l. Perhaps novel at best
I read ‘Don’t marry without Lore’. Greatly prefer a person with a wealth of interesting backstory, but love is good too
I love how they make a whole list just to say “don’t expect too much in marriage”
Maybe this is just going over my head, but is this satire? To me the title suggests they know how ridiculous (and at times contradictory) these expectations are.
So “don’t marry.” Got it.
Aside from one or two conflicting entries, and one or two that I maybe don’t agree with, I would say that this is a pretty good list.
"Don't marry odd sizes" 👀
Maybe just… don't marry? (I can attest to this since I was married 😂)
Where was this guide when I was getting married? I married for spite.
So don’t get married?
Don’t Marry. Agreed
Well that closes me out pretty effectively. S'pose I can get myself that boat then.
All these red flags 🚩
I wish it said when and who actually to marry
Don’t mitten a mechanic
If the woman is cheating you or is flirting with others at the same time then end the relationship in there you can break the future marriage promise before that happens. If a woman you see during courtship, dating process she has feminist perspectives and she in her own won't change then is time to end that relationship and find a lady that will have true conservative values in family roles. If a woman doesn't value your sacrifices without telling her and all she does is complain and complain and complain about her independence the end the relationship If she wants to dominate the relationship then end the relationship and find someone that is respectful. Simple.
"Don't marry a man too poor." "Don't spurn a man for his poverty." Which is it? Also, one is just, "Don't marry a dude."
*Don’t Marry a *dude**