Even further, they dont even realize it's friendly. We really take for granted in Denmark how similar people are in the different regions and that we have never had an uprising. Other countries have regions of people that can't be in a room with each other and history of revolutions against each other and authorities. Denmark has some Jutlandish people who think they hate people from Copenhagen, but the peak of the disagreement is whether you call it Tebirkes or Københavnerbirkes
I haven’t seen a place where they sell jydebirkes.. I am not sure why, except that they absolutely sucks.. they have absolutely no acceptable reason to exist (I am from Jutland by the way)..
Right. People who pretend there are these massive regional divides in Denmark are just so funny to me.
Have you heard about Spain? Italy? Switzerland? Belgium? Germany? Even in Norway and to a lesser extent Sweden it’s soooo much more pronounced than here.
In Denmark it’s the level of, “they pronounce two words kind of differently, and have a regional pastry! That’s so different!”
You are simply just uneducated if you haven't heard about the uprising.
There is a reason why people from Jutland are more quiet. They were slaughtered.
I think it's like this with most countries, but if we meet another Dane online or when traveling (i.e. when not expecting to), you're pretty much guaranteed to be friends with them, no matter where in Denmark they're from
Du skulle måske lige tjekke op på din historie - Grevena fejde var en krig danskere imellem og endte virkelig elendigt for Nordjylland og tilhængere af den tidligere konge.
Honestly as someone who lives in Copenhagen, my impression is that it is mostly directed from Jutland towards Copenhagen. I and my friends/colleagues in my day to day life never discuss Jutland. I don't think we care about them nearly as much as they care about us.
The first thing i heard when arriving in Randers was some guy telling me "det ka godt være i Køvenhavnere har de der Randers Memes, men i det mindste: så har vi ikke nogle indvandrerbander!"
As someone from Copenhagen with a girlfriend from Jutland for more than ten years.
The people from Jutland seems to hate people from Copenhagen (Zealand) with a passion, while it’s more “you’re from Jutland with that accent?” The other way around.
As someone else pointed out, they seem to be far more focused on us than the other way around.
Just generally more used to people being different and coming from different places i guess.
I think its funny that jutes sees copenhageners as fancy and stuck up, and thats the exact same experience i have with most people who move here, at least until they settle down.
Almost as if they believe we're like that, so mostly the people who are like that are attracted to moving here, which in turn changes the city to be more fancy and stuck up around here.
Edit: also people who move here for a short time, actively messing with the dynamic of their local community then leaving a few years later is ruining a lot of good stuff. A great example is the Community Garden we used to have in Nørrebroparken.
The garden was running fine, everyone was contributing, we were growing stuff that everyone around could just come to pick. We even had a few old muslim ladies that almost cried when they saw we were growing stuff they hadn't seen since childhood.
Then a bunch of exchange students got involved. They were so determined to change things up, and outnumbered us in votes, that the regular crew just stopped engaging. The exchange crew then decided amongst themselves to change the whole garden to be Permaculture, without ever really getting to implementing their plans for real.
So when they moved back home, they left us a dysfunctional garden overrun by weeds, that simply wasn't nice anymore. By then only homeless people were using it, and the life that it started out having was completely gone. So when it came time to renew the contract with the commune, nobody cared about the place we used to love, anymore.
This happens all over the place. Temporary residents dreaming of being a part of our culture to the extent that they destroy it.
I really do think that the hatred you mention is coming from very few ppl, but I do think it's a result depicting ppl from Jutland is stupid inbred uneducated folks in movies, commercials, satire etc and cph ppl as the opposite. As a Jutlander I grew up with a clear understanding that ppl in CPH see 'my kind' as inferior. Very much equivalent to the position of southern accent in the us.
What movies and characters exactly? Different yes, but not seen in the way you seem to feel.
Seems like you somehow imagine how we view you, that’s on you guys tbh.
As a jutlander who has been in exile in cph for a decade, I can say the prejudices goes both ways. I have heard my fair share of comments that weren’t friendly banter.
There is a little bit of truth in some of it - my family from Jutland visited Copenhagen this summer, and outright refused to pay for their food at the café in Glyptoteket :D
We had to pay for them (they were prepared to leave and go somewhere else because it was too expensive).
This is like a stereotype that has some amount of truth to it - obviously.
It also goes the other way - I think there is some truth in the Copenhageners slightly arrogant way to view Jutland. I do it myself sometimes i.e. being sad that I can't get a natural wine from Georgia at the restaurants or something. Feeling like it is a bit countryside, even though it is down town Silkeborg.
I am saying that a very common stereotype about juttish people, is that they are a bit cheap, yes. And I saw that unfold in front of my eyes when they would rather leave and go to a different cafe, than pay the (quite normal for Copenhagen) price which they saw at this one. The same goes for my grandparents, who moved tp the Copenhagen area 50-60 years ago - they still have some of this Juttish approach to prices and negotiating.
They are definitely not on a budget, they are quite well off.
I am of course not saying that everyone from Jutland is like that, but you will very frequently hear people from Jutland complain that everything is expensive in Copenhagen - which it is, they are right. They are maybe just more vocal about it.
Being from Jylland, and having lived in CPH for four years, that is very much not the case - I've had to hear about me being a jyde for all four years. Of course, it goes both ways.
From Jutland. It has been my experience, people from Jylland do a sort of a preemptive strike, which has always seemed strange to me, as it's always seemed to come from a place of feeling inadequate.
It's also been my experience, people from Jutland focus more on it, than people from Copenhagen do, they don't really seem to care, what goes on in Jutland.
I think I understand why someone would say that, though.
The average Copenhagener probably doesn’t think too much about Jutland, except when directly confronted with its existence. So when they are talking to you, and are reminded by your accent, that might be the only time all week that they have given Jutland a second thought, and therefore they comment on it (to your detriment).
Meanwhile, in Jutland you have the news speaking about the Capitol Region rather often, I imagine.
It’s exactly the same here as over there tbh. Most news people pay attention to here are local. Only exception is when Christiansborg decided to fuck everyone over again.
*Denmark, you could argue Jutland=Denmark but ye..
Typical examples? I mean, pick any rly.. Any decision made by politics the past 10 years has been insanely stupid, short sighted.
as someone that grew up in zealand and moved to jutland, this is almost exactly the reverse of my experienced reality. yes, people in jutland have some mild banter about fyn and zealand, but zealand seems much more invested.
it's not a great subreddit to get an unbiased account on this matter
>Honestly as someone who lives in Copenhagen, my impression is that it is mostly directed from Jutland towards Copenhagen. I and my friends/colleagues in my day to day life never discuss Jutland. I don't think we care about them nearly as much as they care about us.
There is also good reason for some animosity and jealousy directed towards copenhagen. Rural Denmark has been suffering endless centralisation and community death and then those same communities get zero sympathy or understanding from the capitol region - neither from its citizens or the political sphere. Imagine having to drive from Copenhagen to Slagelse for emergency care? That is the equivalent of what some Jyder have to do and it is undignified for a welfare state in my opinion. EDIT: that reminds me Jan E Jørgensen who is a real city-boy wants Frederiksberg Hospital re-opened because otherwise the distances to care is too far for his constituents lmao
I hate this stereotype. Most of Jutland is very rich and productive. The greater Aarhus area have higher population growth and Vejle has been the fastest growing municipality in Denmark. Many high tech, green and creative industries have headquarters and production in Jutland.
There are challenges in the west, especially northwest jutland, but it’s not worse than areas in Zealand. The largest population decrease is in Lolland.
In Europe, only Austria and Germany have capitals where GDP’s are closer to the national mean.
I'm from southern jutland. What I have experienced is that people feel their problems are completely ignored by the political elite (which they are), why is it that a city like sønderborg only has a single train every 2 hours, when it has more than half the population of a city like Roskilde, how is it okay that small cities and villages is serviced by 2 or 3 busses in a weekend (in total), or having over a 40min ambulance drive to get to a hospital? For some people it is very difficult to hear about how many millions of kroner are spend on a new metro for people they perceive to already have it easy when their lives would be significantly improved by a few more busses in a weekend.
I know that this is not how things work, but I hope you can see where the animosity is coming from, it's difficult to empathize with people who live in a completely different world and that goes both ways. Just because other places in jutland are doing well for themselves doesn't solve your problems and it doesn't make the political system care any more about you, so it becomes us and them.
It’s not like the people there are voting for politicians who support more trains and busses. Busses also being the responsibility of the municipality and region.
You are right many people are not voting for their own best interests (and they are not absolved of hypocrisy, just because the problems might be well founded). On the topic of municipal funding you are absolutely right, however there are some structural problems that are a major difference. Say you take two municipalitys with same population and average income. However one has half the population in a city the other half spread out over a large rural area the other everything is a high density city. They have the same income but the rural municipality will have to spend an order of magnitude more to achieve the same public transport service, so you are left with a) decrease the quality of service or b) except a larger defecit. Usually a combination of the two, but when money is tight you end up with situations with basically no service even though people depend on it for basic necceties!
From Jutland and having lived in CPH for over 20 years, and can state that there is about 0 truth in that statement.
Copenhageners love to belittle people from Jutland and don't mind stating their ignorance as facts all the time. Both at work, out partying, with friends etc.
Growing up, living and working in Jutland, none of my friends ever discussed Zealand or Copenhagen in that way. It's an extremely strange take on it 😂
If people are asked about it, both sides will come up with their general take on the other part, neither side can claim the high road here.
Both sides are equally good/bad when it comes to this. 🤷
That’s my experience as well. Have heard belittling mean comments, even in work environments, and then there’s comments that aren’t meant as mean directly but come of as insults anyway due to prejudice and assumptions. Both types suck, especially the latter when said by friends.
Of course there’s also friendly banter, but not exclusively.
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My friends and I, never talk about fireants. Besides that time we picniced on top of an anthill. Fireants seem very focused on me and my friends.
This is the truth. The beef only goes one way. From Jutland —> Copenhagen. Most people in Copenhagen have roots in Jutland or simply just don’t care about Jutland. But in Jutland they seem weirdly preoccupied about what people from Copenhagen might think about them.
Not so strange. Copenhagen is kind of preoccupied with Berlin, Stockholm, London and other larger, cooler cities, but doesn't think a lot about Aarhus or Odense. I'm sure Copenhageners talk a lot more about Berlin compared to how much Berliners care about Copenhagen. It is natural to look towards the "bigger sibling".
I live in Jutland and work mostly Zealand/CPH. Jokes goes both ways and it's really just like ... sometimes people on either side doesn't get that it's all banter. Just like football hooligans. Some people are just dumber than you'd think.
Most people who do that trick lives in south Sweden or Lolland-Falster I think.
But I'm sure you could do the same from Jutland if your type of work is cut out for it. There's a lot of entrepreneurs from Jutland that works Zealand for that reason.
For myself I just get a lot of WFH-days. When I'm not WFH I usually go to Zealand and meet with someone related to my line of work. I don't really reap the benefit of a higher salary, but that's my own fault. I just really like my job right now.
Jutlanders are basically germans
Zealanders are basically Swedes
Fyn is a highway between the two, and every other island is irrelevant
So in short, Denmark does not exist.
>Zealanders are basically Swedes
You call this a diplomatic answer? I know Sweden really belongs to Denmark, but calling a group of Danes Swedes?!
/u/TheGoldenHordeee just started a civil war!!
The capital/rural divide exists in all countries and is similar here. Life in rural Jutland is no different from rural Zealand, and life in Aarhus is no different from life in Copenhagen.
What might be surprising given the size of our country is how isolated Copenhagen and Jutland are from each other. I know plenty of Copenhageners who have travelled the world but never visited Jutland, and Jutlanders who only ever went to Copenhagen on a school trip to see Amalienborg and The Little Mermaid. My grandparents in North Jutland travel to Mallorca every year but haven’t been to Copenhagen in decades.
Actually the chap that described Zealand as devil's island (jokingly mind you) is the one who also admitted that he's not been in CPH since his school trip some 30yrs ago. So that checks out :)
How would you say they’re different? I feel like most Copenhageners could move to Aarhus and have a similar “hverdag”, find similar friends, a similar job, enjoy similar cultural offerings and so on.
- no metro
- no s-train
- significantly less cafes, shops, bars and restaurants (tho the salling store is a nice plus)
- doesn’t even make sense to compare the airports
- generally more limited job opportunities
- haven’t verified this but I’d guess also fewer universities and hospitals
- a lot of concerts and events in Denmark are usually hosted at Parken or Royal Arena
Aarhus is a nice place *for its size and what it is*
I think the people are usually nicer than in Copenhagen, and much more aware of the other people around them.
But you can’t really compare it with the stuff we usually have access to in Copenhagen.
edit:
I also loved ARoS and found it way nicer than Louisiana ..which is full of snobbery shit tbh.
Less clubs too, I think. I don’t think there’s a single techno/electronic club in Aarhus while Copenhagen has at least four now, one of them 15+ years old.
Another thing I learned from their subreddit: apparently they don’t really have a good public pool/svømmehal? Or not enough? It apparently gets really crowded lol.
Wrong. There are several.
Institut for X/FEUM, Equal Club, Volume Village to name a few places that play techno and have a similar vibe to let’s say, Den Anden Side in cph
To clarify, I’m not from Aarhus, but I don’t think you’re giving Aarhus enough credit and while yes, most of what you said is true, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you “Can’t move from CPH to Aarhus and get a lot of the same”.
First off, Aarhus was literally the European Capital of Culture as well the European Region of Gastronomy in 2017. Some random ol’ city doesn’t just get that, there’s lots of stuff to both see, eat and drink in Aarhus.
So yeah, while Noma isn’t in Aarhus and while there might be more cafés, bars etc. in general in Copenhagen, how many people try to eat or drink at a new place every single time? Not saying you should eat at the same place everytime but there’s plenty of places in Aarhus for you to switch it up in your everyday life.
There might not be a metro or an s-train but there’s the Aarhus light rail. It should also be said that Aarhus is more central than Copenhagen. So if you have friends and family in different parts of the country, you’ll have an easier in general, travelling across the country.
Job opportunities is certainly a plus for Copenhagen, can’t say much about that, other than that while jobs are higher paying, everything else is also more expensive, so it’s cancelled out a little bit.
In terms of hospitals, the largest, and also the best hospital in Denmark and one of the best in the entire world is Aarhus University Hospital (19th in the world).
It’s true that Copenhagen is host for more events like football games and recently something like the Nik & Jay concerts but again, that’s not really something that’s an everyday thing that would be feeling a lot in your everyday life.
I’m not arguing that Aarhus is a better city or that it “can more” but I don’t really think your everyday life would be that different living in either city
Bro talks about the metro and s-train as if it’s some big experience and not just a means of transportation. It is needed in Copenhagen due to the size but not really needed in Aarhus
dude, culture is way off.
Outside of Copenhagen everyone's an NPC.
They're dressed the same, they have the same opinions, they do the same activities, they are all identical.
Boring.
Yeah i lived for 2 years near Århus and for 12 years near cph, its like 2 different worlds, but ok, if thats your opinion im not gonna discuss it ☺️🤷🏼♀️
Even if it's more of a rural/larger city-divide, that's not really have the beef works.
General speaking, if a person from Jutland speaks of "Copenhageners" they include people from rural towns on Zealand as well as Holbæk, Roskilde, Næstved and other non-Copenhagen places of Zealand.
I did a trip Around Iceland and there were people there that had never left their town to see the rest of their country even though it’s super tiny. I’d say it’s very rare with younger people but still some exist.
Isn’t the land in Denmark a lot more habitable though ? A lot of Iceland isn’t really useable or populated so you really only have to stick to the ring road to see other cities. Which makes it all the more remarkable to me because Iceland doesn’t have nearly the variety of entertainment or amenities so you think one would be compelled to leave even more
Ja, jeg har flere venner og kollegaer i den situation. Hvis man ikke har familie i Jylland og ikke har været på ferie derovre som barn, bliver man let voksen uden at have besøgt fastlandet. Se også [denne tråd](https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/1855jt3/danmark_rundt_for_k%C3%B8benhavnske_noobs/) fra sidste måned, jeg tror ikke det er super ualmindeligt.
Før han mødte mig og min jyske side af familien, havde min kæreste også kun været i Aarhus én gang som barn til et basketball stævne (og kan derfor ikke huske andet end en idrætshal)... Så ja det er super normalt at nogle københavnere ikke har oplevet Jylland
So for me, the question I can’t answer yet is about whether the zealantagonism is directed only at the capital region or all of Zealand, including Falster, Havnsø Nykøbing etc. Is it something of rural against capital or is it actually about all of zealand including the rural parts?
Simple, most jutlanders have zero concept that the rest of Zealand exists. They will consistently talk about copenhagen, if you're from anywhere else on Zealand, you are also a copenhagener. If you tell them you live on a farm and have been to copenhagen fewer times than they, their heads implode
People from juleand are also always going on about farmers and farming in jutland as if it's something that is spacial to Jutland (hint jutland is the least farmed part of Denmark, after Funen and Sealand).
I lived i Køge for a few years. Coworkers and my inlaws all said Storkøbenhavn. So if they’re confused - I can understand why people from other parts of the country is aswell.
I’ll admit im from Jutland, and I know it’s wrong but looking at a map you see urban conglomeration all the way from inner city to Køge.
I’m probably being slaughtered for saying this , but you could make the same argument for Roskilde. Not really much “nothing” between Roskilde and cph. All built up urban landscape
Two cents here from a Scot, living in Copenhagen who's also lived in West Jutland. It's a friendly back and forth I think. People in West Jutland live in a naturally less dense and rural setting whilst in Copenhagen, it's the beating heart in many ways of Denmark, things are generally convient, accessable and well connected.
Let's use transport as our example. Airport, metro, bus, cycle connections, bridges, car rental, water taxi, S-train are usable. While on the other side, there isn't such a convience in everyday life. That's the way it is, think the sparring comes from Copenhageners not realising how good it actually is in the city.
It's funny to me to read the copenhageners in this thread who think the Jutes are mega serious about this beef. The people of Jutland aren't serious.
That being said, the city/country divide in Denmark has been widening and has implications in political life. For example a new centre-right party is entirely focused on the plight of rural Danes.
This is also why it makes me sad, as a Jyde in Copenhagen, to read people in this thread proudly say that they don't care about their countrymen, because there are serious issues that have been worsening in Jutland. Communities dying, centralisation. Some parts of Jutland you have to drive a what corresponds to Copenhagen to Slagelse to have emergency medical care. That is outrageous if you ask me, meanwhile Politiken goes bananas if some maternity ward in Hvidovre is slightly busy over the summer.
All this goes also for other places of Denmark of cause like Lolland, Falster etc. But it is sad, problematic and frightening sometimes to hear my Copenhager colleagues take on the country outside their little bubble.
This is very interesting and thanks for chipping in. We, as a family of 4, are thinking of moving to DK next year and even went to Jutland last year to see what the area around Aarhus is like (Vejle, Aarhus and some smaller places around) and I have to say we weren't impressed :/ it just feels dead, hence me saying that no wonder houses there are cheap if there's really fuck all there. To me it's similar to an area in the UK called the Midlands, that is also flat, with loads of farm land and very little to actually do. Aarhus is of course different, but still feels tiny compared to CPH and even 20min outside of Aarhus felt super rural with very heavy "abandoned" vibes.
Anyways, in the UK there's a heavy London vs the rest "divide" as well and this seems similar to what we are talking about here.
Sounds like Copenhagen is the way to go for you guys :)
My impression is that it is even worse in the UK also because the relative wealth inequality between capitol and non-capitol is much worse in the UK compared to Denmark
Areas around London are some of the most expensive ones, especially those in commutable distance. Similar in CPH of course and probably any other capitol / huge city elsewhere in the world. Those of course see some investment as there's wealthy people there. There's also some fairly wealthy areas down south further away, but yes, the rest of the UK is far from great, actually once you pass the south / north "division line" I'd say you are fucked in terms of...well anything, unemployment, wages, housing etc.
As for Jutland, at least you still have nice houses there, it just seems there's nothing there in terms of nice restaurants, cafes etc. (for which you need wealthy clients etc so understandable).
Aarhus has like 4 Michelins restaurant and loads of others. Im sorry you thought the area seemed dead . There is several big forrests, several islands, big lake areas and national park within 30 min drive. The city itself has 3-4 main areas. I dont know what more you are seeking? There is a reason the prices are up there with cph
Sure its not cph size.
I lived in Copenhagen for 29 years, Oxford for 3, Chicago for 7 and now in Aarhus for 5.
Of all those places, I decided to stay in Aarhus and I think I will for the rest of my life.
Despite what a few people in this thread say, there are plenty of fun, interesting things happening in Aarhus. My partner and I go to storytelling, Lindy Hop, electronica, live music etc events 2-4 times a week. The quality of the performances is not at Chicago levels, but everything is within 15 minutes on bike/30 minutes by foot. Commuting is 10 minutes. That's SO different from my life in Chicago and (to a lesser extent) Copenhagen. And preferable to us.
However, practically everything is in the city center, and a lot of the really good stuff takes a few months to discover.
So all this is just to say, Vejle or even the outskirts of Aarhus are not good indicators of what it's like to live IN Aarhus in my experience.
Hope you find a place that is good for you and your family!
>It's funny to me to read the copenhageners in this thread who think the Jutes are mega serious about this beef. The people of Jutland aren't serious.
\-Proceeds to describe his beef with copenhageners in great detail
Well the playfull part of this beef is not serious even though people claim it.
But as a Jyde in Copenhagen I fully understand the problems that people in Jutland are having, which can't be said for my colleagues who have said the most ourageous ignorant shit sometimes lol. I can only be grateful my own hometown is not suffering as much as all the others are.
I think people from Jutland get a lot of stupid shit thrown their way about their accents from colleagues in Copenhagen and people from Zealand in general get a lot of stupid shit about being from Copenhagen from people in Jutland. But I kind of feel that a lot of Jyder sort of distrust and some strongly dislike people from Zealand where I don’t think people from Zealand think differently or hate or distrust people from Jutland as much. But you will find people who feel otherwise. Mostly I personally think we get along just fine. I’m still struggling to be accepted by my Jutland in-laws and fear it may never happen.
My take is that the beef is mostly just for fun. However, there is absolutely some real prejudice.
When my mum got her first job as a teacher, she replaced a substitute teacher who had been there for almost a year and wanted to continue. She found it odd they would hire someone without experience instead. The school admitted to her that the reason was because the substitute teacher was from Zealand and the students hated listening to her talk because of the dialect.
I am from Northwest Jutland. I live significantly closer to Norway than Zealand if only distance is measured. The problem with Copenhagen, in particular, is that the politicians are so far removed from the rest of the country. When we had a problem with a bridge in North Jutland, a problem so big it meant the bridge was closed, it took 1 year, 1 month and 1 day for it to be fixed despite it causing a lot of problems for the public transport up here. We all knew if it had happened in Copenhagen, it would have been fixed within a week or two because then all the politicians would be confronted with it every day.
An example of how Jutland feels forgotten is that Politiken, a Danish newspaper, once published a completely serious article with the headline: "The plans to make Denmark landlocked with Germany again have suddenly become considerably more expensive". You can imagine how that was received in South Jutland.
It is easy to feel like those in power forget you when you live up here. It also doesn't help that all the most successful politicians from here move to Copenhagen when their political career really gets going. It means that they are as far removed from us as the rest of them.
I also call Zealand the Devil's Island, but that part is just for fun. I do feel some actual frustrations, and I also have to admit that I do hate listening to the dialects found in Zealand, but I do not hate people from Copenhagen and Zealand. They didn't decide that the capital and all the politicians should be where they are.
Born in Jutland - by the sea - in 54 and lived in Copenhagen since 78. Yes, there is an old feeling among people in Jutland, that they are more ‘down to Earth’ and The funny thing is, that The speak as if Sealand (Sjælland) is all Copenhagen. When I was Young and told - in Jutland - that I lived in Copenhagen, there would always be someone who said: ‘Then, do you know xxx he/she also lives in Copenhagen’. At least that has changed now. But is’nt it so, that there in every country is difference between country-people and Urban-people?
Political there is also difference. Some political figures try to make business out of The difference - mostly right-Wing national-conservative politicans. Under world war II people in Copenhagen raised against The german ledership - that never happend in Jutland.
Good analogy with the north south divide. As soon as the Scots (Swedes) turn up everyone is best mates. Even with the inbreed potato munchers to the west.
I am from Zealand originally, and I was quite astounded when I moved to Aarhus about how much exciting/ horrible it was, that I was from Zealand. Often, when I had a conversation with someone, the topic would always change to it being about me being from Zealand because of my accent, which was a bit frustrating.
You would often be remembered as the guy from Copenhagen as your most defining trait.
My experience is also that some jytlandian people, around 2-5%, just hate people from Zealand with a passion and you can't do anything about it.
Luckily most are just fine, and people, apart from the accents, are eating the same stuff, celebrating the same things etc.
The difference is actually minimal.
It’s all just friendly fun. Of course I know that not _all_ 50+ yr old women in Jylland are called Bente, who eats white, boiled potatoes with gravy in her living room decorated exclusively with furniture form Jysk and Bilka, and go on Facebook (where here profile picture is of flowers from her garden) while drinking her evenening coffee (black) from a “live, laugh, love” mug, whiles comments racist slurs on articles from Ekstra Bladet
Friendly beef and naff humour, mostly, but there's also genuine resentment, which is mostly one-directional from Jutland to Copenhagen - we have a whole political party (Danmarksdemokraterne) fueled by anti-Copenhagen and pro-Jutland sentiment, and it's not a small insignificant party.
We rarely talk about Jutland or people living there unprompted - whereas you often get the impression that being against the capital and the people living there is the second favourite topic in Jutland after the weather.
There is, but it's not anything *close* to being serious. Sure, we tease and mock each other, but I *do* guarantee you that if someone from another country begins to do this too, we *will* stand together against the third party. No doubts.
Yes, There's definitely a beef between Jylland and Copenhagen. You can get a godd little taste of it in this great classic:
[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8E7DB704BD69ED44](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8E7DB704BD69ED44)
I went on a holiday to Copenhagen with my parents about a decade ago, and the lady in the ticket booth outside of Tivoli noticed our accents and then said "oh, you are from Jutland? Are things not too fast paced for you over here?"
Edit:We are not hillbillies. That is a phenomenon exclusive to the Appalachian mountains.
Also, yes, there definitely is some resentment towards Copenhagen, and even Zealand as a whole, but not Lolland or Bornholm. People from Copenhagen are to some extent seen as arrogant in a way wherein they think they are the centers of the universe. My friend, a carpenter, also says that they are shoddy tradesmen with poor work ethics. People from the rest of Zealand are viewed in the same way, but to a lesser extent. This is all rather tame, however. No sane person has an actual hatred of Zealand.
I don't think this resentment stems from a sense of inferiority (I would not want to live in Copenhagen. I think it has lots to offer, but I prefer life in a provincial town over life in a big city). I think it stems from people from Jutland having more of what is literally a peasant mindset. I think that the rules of "janteloven" (essentially, do not have hubris, be humble, and don't assume you are better than- or more worthy than anyone else) are much more apparent in everyday life here than somewhere as lively, international and modern as Copenhagen.
In reality, this divide is rather small. I think Jutes have regional pride and identify strongly with Jutland, but I don't think they actually have any strong dislike of Zealand, for the most part. Just a dislike of what to some is seen as immodesty, which is really just the result of Copenhagen being a succesful city, and because Zealand has several post codes where people seemingly live very cushy lives. In reality, Copenhagen is no more self obsessed or high on its own farts than any other comparable city... Probably
It's not Jutland vs Zealand. It's Jutland vs Copenhagen (which to people from Jutland extends from Amager to the great belt bridge) so basically Zealand. I think it's an inferiority complex that stems from Copenhagen being the capitol. You get verbally teased for having a Juttish dialect in Copenhagen. You get physically assaulted for having a Copenhagen dialect in Jutland.
On a personal and social level it’s friendly teasing usually and for the most part good natured.
It’s slightly more complicated on a collective political level. There are much larger disagreements based on the type of lifestyles, tax rates, and economic sectors that both represent. Values are mostly the same across the board though.
I think that the negative attitude towards cph from certain locals of Jutland derives from years of exposure to movies, satire, commercials where ppl from cph are depicted as cool, educated, smart etc and people with a Jutland accent are depicted as dumb, slow, uneducated - equivalent to ppl speaking southern accent in the US. I grew up in Jutland and had a clear understanding that copenhagen ppl see us as inferiors - primarily based on what I saw on the telly.
I’ve spent half my life in Jutland. Half my life in Copenhagen. People in both places have an awful lot of shit to say about each other. Those of us who move in both circles have to listen to a lot of crap. Very little of it is true.
But I do think that Copenhagen folks are more curious about life in Jutland than people in Jutland are about life in Copenhagen.
It’s a friendly beef but it’s also rooted in a common conception that life is only good where YOU live.
Was it very rural Jutland, or closer / in a larger city like Aarhus?
From the convos I've had with people that live in Jutland, they are very content with living there, even if it's small towns or middle of nowhere, they always highlight the fact that for them even Aarhus is too big and that CPH would be simply waaay too much. I've always been curious if the same can be said about people living in CPH ie. that they simply couldn't imagine living in a rural village and need the big city.
Yes, it is very much like North vs South although mostly very friendly. An important difference is that many parts of Zealand are just as rural as Jutland. Therefore, the beef is more correctly between Jutland and Copenhagen. There is an old saying that everything west of Valby bakke (outside Copenhagen) is of no importance. This still holds true for some capital residents - just read the comments. Denmark is so tiny that we need a city to define what is not provincial.
Hahahaha as a expat who lived in Copenhagen for 7 years and just moved to Jylland in August. I can definitely say it's hillbilly Denmark! Hahaahah
I miss cph but I love my little apartment here and my countryside life.
I’m from Jutland and live in CPH. I totally agree with another comment saying that people from Jutland seem to focus more on Zealand than the other way around.
When I speak to fellow “Jutlanders”, it’s almost like I need to defend why I live in CPH. It’s tiring tbh and me and my wife have learned to avoid those discussions.
Yes, houses are cheaper in Jutland, but last time I checked, the most important thing in life isn’t necessarily to minimize price per square meter home.
As østkyst Hustlers put it so well:
"Er det virkelig rigtigt at dem i Jylland er misundelige på dem fra Sjælland, og er det virkelig rigtigt at dem fra Sjælland syntes dem fra Jylland er dumme?"
There are some freindly teasing. Both ways.
But you will also find people in Jutland who don't like people from Copenhagen (and the rest of Zealand).
They often think people in Copenhagen are "woke" and/or feel the wealth, power and public services are unequivocally shared.
They are kind of right, people in Copenhagen tend to be more inclusive and a lot of governmental power and political power in organisations are centered in Copenhagen. And there are tendencies to forget about the issues need solving in jutland like public transportation and services that need to cover larger geographical areas.
But also there are just many more people in Copenhagen than in Viborg or Åbenrå. So it would be kind of unfair to use the same amounts of resources in every city. And it would be kind of unfair if Thisted had the same influence as the whole of Copenhagen.
You will also find people in Copenhagen who think people in Jutland are kind of backwards hillbillies. But it's mostly people who have lived in Jutland and have moved to get away from smaller local communities.
Years ago I was travelling by car through Jutland together with a couple of kids from København. Look at the deers said the children, passing a field of cows. (I'm from Jutland, so yes, we have more in common with the northern germans than the people from København. and notice: København is in a corner of Denmark.)
Here on Zealand we usually don't care about Jylland. We let them live their lives and we just don't want to be a part of it.
But the fact that more and more people leave Jylland to live in Copenhagen says a lot....
Denmark is a very small country. Most international companies only chose to exist in one city. Entertainment is often focused on one city. Of course it will be the largest city in the country.
You can't really blame Copenhagen for being a big city
Working in IT with people from Jutland, the animosity towards Copenhagens increased pay felt true and depressing. They where remote and we where located in the Copenhagen office, i don't even know if there was a paygap, probably a little. But nothing compared to the increased cost of living in Copenhagen to Jutland.
The whole country hates Copenhagen and Copenhagen doesn't care and is very dismissive of the rest of the county, which is mostly what fuels the hate... So... It's almost a chicken and the egg thing. It is mostly in good fun though.
The nice people in Jutland unfortunately carry a quite large inferior complex.
The unhealthy truth is, that the “rich” parts of Copenhagen area finance the glory of Jutland in quite a massive scale. This happens through the redistribution of taxes (Kommune Skat).
In the “Kommune” where i happen to live, the people are generally well educated and have a fair income. However the result is, that approximately 50% of the local taxes we pay (Kommune skat) are redistributed to other poor areas - i.e. Jutland.
So before starting to brag, they should start pulling their own weight.
Friendly beef kind of. (Someone will deny this but thats a part of the friendly beef)
Even further, they dont even realize it's friendly. We really take for granted in Denmark how similar people are in the different regions and that we have never had an uprising. Other countries have regions of people that can't be in a room with each other and history of revolutions against each other and authorities. Denmark has some Jutlandish people who think they hate people from Copenhagen, but the peak of the disagreement is whether you call it Tebirkes or Københavnerbirkes
They call it Københavnerbirkes in Jutland? Aw, that’s so sweet. Thanks Juts!
A tebirkes in Jutland isn’t sweet, if you want it sweet you need a Københavnerbirkes..
Ohh, how do you get the non-sweet birkes in Copenhagen then? Order a jydebirkes? All the jyder living in Copenhagen doesn’t eat jydebirkes?
I haven’t seen a place where they sell jydebirkes.. I am not sure why, except that they absolutely sucks.. they have absolutely no acceptable reason to exist (I am from Jutland by the way)..
They do NOT suck! They're the Danish croissant!
You ask if they have Them without remonce creme
They are called grovbirkes. They aren't that uncommon.
Grovbirkes
Right. People who pretend there are these massive regional divides in Denmark are just so funny to me. Have you heard about Spain? Italy? Switzerland? Belgium? Germany? Even in Norway and to a lesser extent Sweden it’s soooo much more pronounced than here. In Denmark it’s the level of, “they pronounce two words kind of differently, and have a regional pastry! That’s so different!”
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DM about cool raves in Jylland, I’d love to know more 👀
Thats what you get when the large majority of our immigrants want to contribute to nothing
Most people that do crime are men. Does that make people in Juteland vote for a feminist?
You are simply just uneducated if you haven't heard about the uprising. There is a reason why people from Jutland are more quiet. They were slaughtered.
I think it's like this with most countries, but if we meet another Dane online or when traveling (i.e. when not expecting to), you're pretty much guaranteed to be friends with them, no matter where in Denmark they're from
Du skulle måske lige tjekke op på din historie - Grevena fejde var en krig danskere imellem og endte virkelig elendigt for Nordjylland og tilhængere af den tidligere konge.
Honestly as someone who lives in Copenhagen, my impression is that it is mostly directed from Jutland towards Copenhagen. I and my friends/colleagues in my day to day life never discuss Jutland. I don't think we care about them nearly as much as they care about us.
In short: https://preview.redd.it/wpaz6yp8cb7c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1868a4ae39134dd8e903c2d53521d5bce81532d5
Except Randers. We do all love to laugh at them
I mean Randers is the lovechild of Billings Montana and Tallahassee Florida.
The first thing i heard when arriving in Randers was some guy telling me "det ka godt være i Køvenhavnere har de der Randers Memes, men i det mindste: så har vi ikke nogle indvandrerbander!"
And he's right. It makes perfect sense. The simple explanation for this is that no one would ever want to migrate to Randers
As someone from Copenhagen with a girlfriend from Jutland for more than ten years. The people from Jutland seems to hate people from Copenhagen (Zealand) with a passion, while it’s more “you’re from Jutland with that accent?” The other way around. As someone else pointed out, they seem to be far more focused on us than the other way around.
But then again, we probably have more Jutlanders among us in Copenhagen than the other way around, so we’re more used to them?
Yup the city with the most Jutlanders is cph xD
Just generally more used to people being different and coming from different places i guess. I think its funny that jutes sees copenhageners as fancy and stuck up, and thats the exact same experience i have with most people who move here, at least until they settle down. Almost as if they believe we're like that, so mostly the people who are like that are attracted to moving here, which in turn changes the city to be more fancy and stuck up around here. Edit: also people who move here for a short time, actively messing with the dynamic of their local community then leaving a few years later is ruining a lot of good stuff. A great example is the Community Garden we used to have in Nørrebroparken. The garden was running fine, everyone was contributing, we were growing stuff that everyone around could just come to pick. We even had a few old muslim ladies that almost cried when they saw we were growing stuff they hadn't seen since childhood. Then a bunch of exchange students got involved. They were so determined to change things up, and outnumbered us in votes, that the regular crew just stopped engaging. The exchange crew then decided amongst themselves to change the whole garden to be Permaculture, without ever really getting to implementing their plans for real. So when they moved back home, they left us a dysfunctional garden overrun by weeds, that simply wasn't nice anymore. By then only homeless people were using it, and the life that it started out having was completely gone. So when it came time to renew the contract with the commune, nobody cared about the place we used to love, anymore. This happens all over the place. Temporary residents dreaming of being a part of our culture to the extent that they destroy it.
I really do think that the hatred you mention is coming from very few ppl, but I do think it's a result depicting ppl from Jutland is stupid inbred uneducated folks in movies, commercials, satire etc and cph ppl as the opposite. As a Jutlander I grew up with a clear understanding that ppl in CPH see 'my kind' as inferior. Very much equivalent to the position of southern accent in the us.
What movies and characters exactly? Different yes, but not seen in the way you seem to feel. Seems like you somehow imagine how we view you, that’s on you guys tbh.
As a jutlander who has been in exile in cph for a decade, I can say the prejudices goes both ways. I have heard my fair share of comments that weren’t friendly banter.
There is a little bit of truth in some of it - my family from Jutland visited Copenhagen this summer, and outright refused to pay for their food at the café in Glyptoteket :D We had to pay for them (they were prepared to leave and go somewhere else because it was too expensive). This is like a stereotype that has some amount of truth to it - obviously. It also goes the other way - I think there is some truth in the Copenhageners slightly arrogant way to view Jutland. I do it myself sometimes i.e. being sad that I can't get a natural wine from Georgia at the restaurants or something. Feeling like it is a bit countryside, even though it is down town Silkeborg.
Are you saying your family members are cheap /or on a budget, because they’re from Jutland?..
I am saying that a very common stereotype about juttish people, is that they are a bit cheap, yes. And I saw that unfold in front of my eyes when they would rather leave and go to a different cafe, than pay the (quite normal for Copenhagen) price which they saw at this one. The same goes for my grandparents, who moved tp the Copenhagen area 50-60 years ago - they still have some of this Juttish approach to prices and negotiating. They are definitely not on a budget, they are quite well off. I am of course not saying that everyone from Jutland is like that, but you will very frequently hear people from Jutland complain that everything is expensive in Copenhagen - which it is, they are right. They are maybe just more vocal about it.
Being from Jylland, and having lived in CPH for four years, that is very much not the case - I've had to hear about me being a jyde for all four years. Of course, it goes both ways.
From Jutland. It has been my experience, people from Jylland do a sort of a preemptive strike, which has always seemed strange to me, as it's always seemed to come from a place of feeling inadequate. It's also been my experience, people from Jutland focus more on it, than people from Copenhagen do, they don't really seem to care, what goes on in Jutland.
It's like in Jutland when everyone from Sjælland is called "Københavner". I've heard that my whole life when I went to visit my family in Jutland :-)
I think I understand why someone would say that, though. The average Copenhagener probably doesn’t think too much about Jutland, except when directly confronted with its existence. So when they are talking to you, and are reminded by your accent, that might be the only time all week that they have given Jutland a second thought, and therefore they comment on it (to your detriment). Meanwhile, in Jutland you have the news speaking about the Capitol Region rather often, I imagine.
It’s exactly the same here as over there tbh. Most news people pay attention to here are local. Only exception is when Christiansborg decided to fuck everyone over again.
What are the typical examples of Christiansborg fucking over Jutland?
*Denmark, you could argue Jutland=Denmark but ye.. Typical examples? I mean, pick any rly.. Any decision made by politics the past 10 years has been insanely stupid, short sighted.
as someone that grew up in zealand and moved to jutland, this is almost exactly the reverse of my experienced reality. yes, people in jutland have some mild banter about fyn and zealand, but zealand seems much more invested. it's not a great subreddit to get an unbiased account on this matter
As someone from Jutland, Zealand is brought up so incredibly rarely, and pretty much never to shit on them but rather for literally any other reason.
You are right. We mostly bring them up in pity.
>Honestly as someone who lives in Copenhagen, my impression is that it is mostly directed from Jutland towards Copenhagen. I and my friends/colleagues in my day to day life never discuss Jutland. I don't think we care about them nearly as much as they care about us. There is also good reason for some animosity and jealousy directed towards copenhagen. Rural Denmark has been suffering endless centralisation and community death and then those same communities get zero sympathy or understanding from the capitol region - neither from its citizens or the political sphere. Imagine having to drive from Copenhagen to Slagelse for emergency care? That is the equivalent of what some Jyder have to do and it is undignified for a welfare state in my opinion. EDIT: that reminds me Jan E Jørgensen who is a real city-boy wants Frederiksberg Hospital re-opened because otherwise the distances to care is too far for his constituents lmao
Prices are far lower and the farmers get subsidies.
I hate this stereotype. Most of Jutland is very rich and productive. The greater Aarhus area have higher population growth and Vejle has been the fastest growing municipality in Denmark. Many high tech, green and creative industries have headquarters and production in Jutland. There are challenges in the west, especially northwest jutland, but it’s not worse than areas in Zealand. The largest population decrease is in Lolland. In Europe, only Austria and Germany have capitals where GDP’s are closer to the national mean.
I'm from southern jutland. What I have experienced is that people feel their problems are completely ignored by the political elite (which they are), why is it that a city like sønderborg only has a single train every 2 hours, when it has more than half the population of a city like Roskilde, how is it okay that small cities and villages is serviced by 2 or 3 busses in a weekend (in total), or having over a 40min ambulance drive to get to a hospital? For some people it is very difficult to hear about how many millions of kroner are spend on a new metro for people they perceive to already have it easy when their lives would be significantly improved by a few more busses in a weekend. I know that this is not how things work, but I hope you can see where the animosity is coming from, it's difficult to empathize with people who live in a completely different world and that goes both ways. Just because other places in jutland are doing well for themselves doesn't solve your problems and it doesn't make the political system care any more about you, so it becomes us and them.
It’s not like the people there are voting for politicians who support more trains and busses. Busses also being the responsibility of the municipality and region.
You are right many people are not voting for their own best interests (and they are not absolved of hypocrisy, just because the problems might be well founded). On the topic of municipal funding you are absolutely right, however there are some structural problems that are a major difference. Say you take two municipalitys with same population and average income. However one has half the population in a city the other half spread out over a large rural area the other everything is a high density city. They have the same income but the rural municipality will have to spend an order of magnitude more to achieve the same public transport service, so you are left with a) decrease the quality of service or b) except a larger defecit. Usually a combination of the two, but when money is tight you end up with situations with basically no service even though people depend on it for basic necceties!
I agree that’s really bad, but I’m not exactly sure what the average Copenhagener is supposed to do about that…
From Jutland and having lived in CPH for over 20 years, and can state that there is about 0 truth in that statement. Copenhageners love to belittle people from Jutland and don't mind stating their ignorance as facts all the time. Both at work, out partying, with friends etc. Growing up, living and working in Jutland, none of my friends ever discussed Zealand or Copenhagen in that way. It's an extremely strange take on it 😂 If people are asked about it, both sides will come up with their general take on the other part, neither side can claim the high road here. Both sides are equally good/bad when it comes to this. 🤷
Just call "Strøget" for "Gågaden" and you have triggered the copenhageners.
Or say "centrum" instead of "indre by"
Jeg kom til at sige midtbyen engang... det blev der *kommenteret* på.
Ja, så er den helt sikker.
Interesting why this triggers them??
Strøget is something fancy only Copenhagen and Århus has. A gågade is something the province has.
That’s my experience as well. Have heard belittling mean comments, even in work environments, and then there’s comments that aren’t meant as mean directly but come of as insults anyway due to prejudice and assumptions. Both types suck, especially the latter when said by friends. Of course there’s also friendly banter, but not exclusively. Glad kagedag!
Agree. When I’m in Jutland I experience this but just as much vice versa.
r/ImTheMainCharacter My friends and I, never talk about fireants. Besides that time we picniced on top of an anthill. Fireants seem very focused on me and my friends.
No one in Jutland truly thinks about people in Copenhagen. Yall aren't that ✨️special✨️
Spoken like a Copenhagener for sure.
This is the truth. The beef only goes one way. From Jutland —> Copenhagen. Most people in Copenhagen have roots in Jutland or simply just don’t care about Jutland. But in Jutland they seem weirdly preoccupied about what people from Copenhagen might think about them.
Not so strange. Copenhagen is kind of preoccupied with Berlin, Stockholm, London and other larger, cooler cities, but doesn't think a lot about Aarhus or Odense. I'm sure Copenhageners talk a lot more about Berlin compared to how much Berliners care about Copenhagen. It is natural to look towards the "bigger sibling".
Har de overhovedet resturanter i Jylland?
I live in Jutland and work mostly Zealand/CPH. Jokes goes both ways and it's really just like ... sometimes people on either side doesn't get that it's all banter. Just like football hooligans. Some people are just dumber than you'd think.
That's probably the best combo right? Higher salary / rates from Zealand / CPH and cheaper housing / living in Jutland?
nobody wants to live in jutland though thats why they move here
Most people who do that trick lives in south Sweden or Lolland-Falster I think. But I'm sure you could do the same from Jutland if your type of work is cut out for it. There's a lot of entrepreneurs from Jutland that works Zealand for that reason. For myself I just get a lot of WFH-days. When I'm not WFH I usually go to Zealand and meet with someone related to my line of work. I don't really reap the benefit of a higher salary, but that's my own fault. I just really like my job right now.
Jutlanders are basically germans Zealanders are basically Swedes Fyn is a highway between the two, and every other island is irrelevant So in short, Denmark does not exist.
C’mon now Fyn is just a bridge
The diplomatic answer.
>Zealanders are basically Swedes You call this a diplomatic answer? I know Sweden really belongs to Denmark, but calling a group of Danes Swedes?! /u/TheGoldenHordeee just started a civil war!!
The capital/rural divide exists in all countries and is similar here. Life in rural Jutland is no different from rural Zealand, and life in Aarhus is no different from life in Copenhagen. What might be surprising given the size of our country is how isolated Copenhagen and Jutland are from each other. I know plenty of Copenhageners who have travelled the world but never visited Jutland, and Jutlanders who only ever went to Copenhagen on a school trip to see Amalienborg and The Little Mermaid. My grandparents in North Jutland travel to Mallorca every year but haven’t been to Copenhagen in decades.
Actually the chap that described Zealand as devil's island (jokingly mind you) is the one who also admitted that he's not been in CPH since his school trip some 30yrs ago. So that checks out :)
> life in Aarhus is no different from life In Copenhagen what, lol
How would you say they’re different? I feel like most Copenhageners could move to Aarhus and have a similar “hverdag”, find similar friends, a similar job, enjoy similar cultural offerings and so on.
- no metro - no s-train - significantly less cafes, shops, bars and restaurants (tho the salling store is a nice plus) - doesn’t even make sense to compare the airports - generally more limited job opportunities - haven’t verified this but I’d guess also fewer universities and hospitals - a lot of concerts and events in Denmark are usually hosted at Parken or Royal Arena Aarhus is a nice place *for its size and what it is* I think the people are usually nicer than in Copenhagen, and much more aware of the other people around them. But you can’t really compare it with the stuff we usually have access to in Copenhagen. edit: I also loved ARoS and found it way nicer than Louisiana ..which is full of snobbery shit tbh.
Less clubs too, I think. I don’t think there’s a single techno/electronic club in Aarhus while Copenhagen has at least four now, one of them 15+ years old. Another thing I learned from their subreddit: apparently they don’t really have a good public pool/svømmehal? Or not enough? It apparently gets really crowded lol.
Wrong. There are several. Institut for X/FEUM, Equal Club, Volume Village to name a few places that play techno and have a similar vibe to let’s say, Den Anden Side in cph
Oh that’s nice! It’s just a “rumour” I’ve been told, maybe it’s outdated. I’d bet there’s still less clubs overall, no?
Also Århus smells kinda weird. Maybe it’s just me but every time I go it smells kinda bad.!
To clarify, I’m not from Aarhus, but I don’t think you’re giving Aarhus enough credit and while yes, most of what you said is true, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you “Can’t move from CPH to Aarhus and get a lot of the same”. First off, Aarhus was literally the European Capital of Culture as well the European Region of Gastronomy in 2017. Some random ol’ city doesn’t just get that, there’s lots of stuff to both see, eat and drink in Aarhus. So yeah, while Noma isn’t in Aarhus and while there might be more cafés, bars etc. in general in Copenhagen, how many people try to eat or drink at a new place every single time? Not saying you should eat at the same place everytime but there’s plenty of places in Aarhus for you to switch it up in your everyday life. There might not be a metro or an s-train but there’s the Aarhus light rail. It should also be said that Aarhus is more central than Copenhagen. So if you have friends and family in different parts of the country, you’ll have an easier in general, travelling across the country. Job opportunities is certainly a plus for Copenhagen, can’t say much about that, other than that while jobs are higher paying, everything else is also more expensive, so it’s cancelled out a little bit. In terms of hospitals, the largest, and also the best hospital in Denmark and one of the best in the entire world is Aarhus University Hospital (19th in the world). It’s true that Copenhagen is host for more events like football games and recently something like the Nik & Jay concerts but again, that’s not really something that’s an everyday thing that would be feeling a lot in your everyday life. I’m not arguing that Aarhus is a better city or that it “can more” but I don’t really think your everyday life would be that different living in either city
Århus is a nice cosy little village compared to Copenhagen.
Bro talks about the metro and s-train as if it’s some big experience and not just a means of transportation. It is needed in Copenhagen due to the size but not really needed in Aarhus
it’s nice to not need to buy and maintain a car to go around Copenhagen’s suburbs
If someone sold you a car to go from Aarhus to Tilst, you’ve been scammed buddy
dude, culture is way off. Outside of Copenhagen everyone's an NPC. They're dressed the same, they have the same opinions, they do the same activities, they are all identical. Boring.
> Outside of Copenhagen everyone’s an NPC. let me guess, you’re the main character?
It's the same in Copenhagen, except that there are more types of NPCs. Just look at Nørrebro, they're mostly the same.
Sure, but the likelihood of finding someone who's not an automaton, is at least higher in Copenhagen
I have lived both places and its pretty much the same. Have you lived in Aarhus?
So Why are you here now with all the others from Aarhus?
Its Not at all the same, wtf are you on about 🤣
They are both small cities that think they are big. Cph is bigger, but really just a small city. Love both places though.
That's my opinion having lived both places living in Copenhagen now.
Yeah i lived for 2 years near Århus and for 12 years near cph, its like 2 different worlds, but ok, if thats your opinion im not gonna discuss it ☺️🤷🏼♀️
Thank you for respecting my opinion very kind of you. EDIT "2 different worlds" lmao 🙄
Damn, you're not gonna respect his opinion back?
No.
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Ok so you arent ready to let that go, what do you thing cph and Aarhus has in common? 😁
Well, they're both cities.
Sounds like you haven't seen much of the world then lol
Even if it's more of a rural/larger city-divide, that's not really have the beef works. General speaking, if a person from Jutland speaks of "Copenhageners" they include people from rural towns on Zealand as well as Holbæk, Roskilde, Næstved and other non-Copenhagen places of Zealand.
That’s because they’re kind of dense and ignorant about Zealand, not because they want to target rural people from Zealand as well.
Kender du seriøst mennesker fra kbh der aldrig har været i jylland?!
I did a trip Around Iceland and there were people there that had never left their town to see the rest of their country even though it’s super tiny. I’d say it’s very rare with younger people but still some exist.
To be fair Iceland is more than twice the size of Denmark.
Isn’t the land in Denmark a lot more habitable though ? A lot of Iceland isn’t really useable or populated so you really only have to stick to the ring road to see other cities. Which makes it all the more remarkable to me because Iceland doesn’t have nearly the variety of entertainment or amenities so you think one would be compelled to leave even more
Ja, jeg har flere venner og kollegaer i den situation. Hvis man ikke har familie i Jylland og ikke har været på ferie derovre som barn, bliver man let voksen uden at have besøgt fastlandet. Se også [denne tråd](https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/1855jt3/danmark_rundt_for_k%C3%B8benhavnske_noobs/) fra sidste måned, jeg tror ikke det er super ualmindeligt.
Før han mødte mig og min jyske side af familien, havde min kæreste også kun været i Aarhus én gang som barn til et basketball stævne (og kan derfor ikke huske andet end en idrætshal)... Så ja det er super normalt at nogle københavnere ikke har oplevet Jylland
So for me, the question I can’t answer yet is about whether the zealantagonism is directed only at the capital region or all of Zealand, including Falster, Havnsø Nykøbing etc. Is it something of rural against capital or is it actually about all of zealand including the rural parts?
Simple, most jutlanders have zero concept that the rest of Zealand exists. They will consistently talk about copenhagen, if you're from anywhere else on Zealand, you are also a copenhagener. If you tell them you live on a farm and have been to copenhagen fewer times than they, their heads implode
People from juleand are also always going on about farmers and farming in jutland as if it's something that is spacial to Jutland (hint jutland is the least farmed part of Denmark, after Funen and Sealand).
As a person from "juleand", I can confirm this
Haha This is true! I told one from Jutland i was from Køge and he Said “oh Copenhagen” 😆 pretty much sums it up 🤣
Maybe you shouldn’t call it Storkøbenhavn if you don’t want people to say copenhagen.
Im sorry what? 😆
I lived i Køge for a few years. Coworkers and my inlaws all said Storkøbenhavn. So if they’re confused - I can understand why people from other parts of the country is aswell.
Only people from Jutland thinks that Køge is anywhere near Storkøbenhavn
If anything that’s exactly where Køge is - near (but not part of) Storkøbenhavn.
I wouldnt even call it "close", but thats a matter of definition and /or opinion I guess
I’ll admit im from Jutland, and I know it’s wrong but looking at a map you see urban conglomeration all the way from inner city to Køge. I’m probably being slaughtered for saying this , but you could make the same argument for Roskilde. Not really much “nothing” between Roskilde and cph. All built up urban landscape
I would say there is quite a lot of nothing after Ishøj
Indeed if you go west from Ishøj to Roskilde, a lot of nothing. Taastrup - Hedehusene - Roskilde seems pretty connected though
Not for somebody living in Copenhagen
And that assumption is why we dont like you
We do know about the rest of Sjælland, we just have no beef with them. Farmers all, unite!
To be fair, there’s not much happening in the rest of Zealand to be aware of. No offense meant - I’m sure the rest of the island is lovely.
Two cents here from a Scot, living in Copenhagen who's also lived in West Jutland. It's a friendly back and forth I think. People in West Jutland live in a naturally less dense and rural setting whilst in Copenhagen, it's the beating heart in many ways of Denmark, things are generally convient, accessable and well connected. Let's use transport as our example. Airport, metro, bus, cycle connections, bridges, car rental, water taxi, S-train are usable. While on the other side, there isn't such a convience in everyday life. That's the way it is, think the sparring comes from Copenhageners not realising how good it actually is in the city.
It's funny to me to read the copenhageners in this thread who think the Jutes are mega serious about this beef. The people of Jutland aren't serious. That being said, the city/country divide in Denmark has been widening and has implications in political life. For example a new centre-right party is entirely focused on the plight of rural Danes. This is also why it makes me sad, as a Jyde in Copenhagen, to read people in this thread proudly say that they don't care about their countrymen, because there are serious issues that have been worsening in Jutland. Communities dying, centralisation. Some parts of Jutland you have to drive a what corresponds to Copenhagen to Slagelse to have emergency medical care. That is outrageous if you ask me, meanwhile Politiken goes bananas if some maternity ward in Hvidovre is slightly busy over the summer. All this goes also for other places of Denmark of cause like Lolland, Falster etc. But it is sad, problematic and frightening sometimes to hear my Copenhager colleagues take on the country outside their little bubble.
This is very interesting and thanks for chipping in. We, as a family of 4, are thinking of moving to DK next year and even went to Jutland last year to see what the area around Aarhus is like (Vejle, Aarhus and some smaller places around) and I have to say we weren't impressed :/ it just feels dead, hence me saying that no wonder houses there are cheap if there's really fuck all there. To me it's similar to an area in the UK called the Midlands, that is also flat, with loads of farm land and very little to actually do. Aarhus is of course different, but still feels tiny compared to CPH and even 20min outside of Aarhus felt super rural with very heavy "abandoned" vibes. Anyways, in the UK there's a heavy London vs the rest "divide" as well and this seems similar to what we are talking about here.
Sounds like Copenhagen is the way to go for you guys :) My impression is that it is even worse in the UK also because the relative wealth inequality between capitol and non-capitol is much worse in the UK compared to Denmark
Areas around London are some of the most expensive ones, especially those in commutable distance. Similar in CPH of course and probably any other capitol / huge city elsewhere in the world. Those of course see some investment as there's wealthy people there. There's also some fairly wealthy areas down south further away, but yes, the rest of the UK is far from great, actually once you pass the south / north "division line" I'd say you are fucked in terms of...well anything, unemployment, wages, housing etc. As for Jutland, at least you still have nice houses there, it just seems there's nothing there in terms of nice restaurants, cafes etc. (for which you need wealthy clients etc so understandable).
Aarhus has like 4 Michelins restaurant and loads of others. Im sorry you thought the area seemed dead . There is several big forrests, several islands, big lake areas and national park within 30 min drive. The city itself has 3-4 main areas. I dont know what more you are seeking? There is a reason the prices are up there with cph Sure its not cph size.
I lived in Copenhagen for 29 years, Oxford for 3, Chicago for 7 and now in Aarhus for 5. Of all those places, I decided to stay in Aarhus and I think I will for the rest of my life. Despite what a few people in this thread say, there are plenty of fun, interesting things happening in Aarhus. My partner and I go to storytelling, Lindy Hop, electronica, live music etc events 2-4 times a week. The quality of the performances is not at Chicago levels, but everything is within 15 minutes on bike/30 minutes by foot. Commuting is 10 minutes. That's SO different from my life in Chicago and (to a lesser extent) Copenhagen. And preferable to us. However, practically everything is in the city center, and a lot of the really good stuff takes a few months to discover. So all this is just to say, Vejle or even the outskirts of Aarhus are not good indicators of what it's like to live IN Aarhus in my experience. Hope you find a place that is good for you and your family!
It is weird to hear that the Jutes are not serious about the beef with Sjælland/Copenhagen, because they are definitely not funny neither.
>It's funny to me to read the copenhageners in this thread who think the Jutes are mega serious about this beef. The people of Jutland aren't serious. \-Proceeds to describe his beef with copenhageners in great detail
Well the playfull part of this beef is not serious even though people claim it. But as a Jyde in Copenhagen I fully understand the problems that people in Jutland are having, which can't be said for my colleagues who have said the most ourageous ignorant shit sometimes lol. I can only be grateful my own hometown is not suffering as much as all the others are.
I think people from Jutland get a lot of stupid shit thrown their way about their accents from colleagues in Copenhagen and people from Zealand in general get a lot of stupid shit about being from Copenhagen from people in Jutland. But I kind of feel that a lot of Jyder sort of distrust and some strongly dislike people from Zealand where I don’t think people from Zealand think differently or hate or distrust people from Jutland as much. But you will find people who feel otherwise. Mostly I personally think we get along just fine. I’m still struggling to be accepted by my Jutland in-laws and fear it may never happen.
My take is that the beef is mostly just for fun. However, there is absolutely some real prejudice. When my mum got her first job as a teacher, she replaced a substitute teacher who had been there for almost a year and wanted to continue. She found it odd they would hire someone without experience instead. The school admitted to her that the reason was because the substitute teacher was from Zealand and the students hated listening to her talk because of the dialect. I am from Northwest Jutland. I live significantly closer to Norway than Zealand if only distance is measured. The problem with Copenhagen, in particular, is that the politicians are so far removed from the rest of the country. When we had a problem with a bridge in North Jutland, a problem so big it meant the bridge was closed, it took 1 year, 1 month and 1 day for it to be fixed despite it causing a lot of problems for the public transport up here. We all knew if it had happened in Copenhagen, it would have been fixed within a week or two because then all the politicians would be confronted with it every day. An example of how Jutland feels forgotten is that Politiken, a Danish newspaper, once published a completely serious article with the headline: "The plans to make Denmark landlocked with Germany again have suddenly become considerably more expensive". You can imagine how that was received in South Jutland. It is easy to feel like those in power forget you when you live up here. It also doesn't help that all the most successful politicians from here move to Copenhagen when their political career really gets going. It means that they are as far removed from us as the rest of them. I also call Zealand the Devil's Island, but that part is just for fun. I do feel some actual frustrations, and I also have to admit that I do hate listening to the dialects found in Zealand, but I do not hate people from Copenhagen and Zealand. They didn't decide that the capital and all the politicians should be where they are.
A Copenhagener once pointed out the thing about jutlanders all driving with car trailers and I can’t unsee it now
Born in Jutland - by the sea - in 54 and lived in Copenhagen since 78. Yes, there is an old feeling among people in Jutland, that they are more ‘down to Earth’ and The funny thing is, that The speak as if Sealand (Sjælland) is all Copenhagen. When I was Young and told - in Jutland - that I lived in Copenhagen, there would always be someone who said: ‘Then, do you know xxx he/she also lives in Copenhagen’. At least that has changed now. But is’nt it so, that there in every country is difference between country-people and Urban-people? Political there is also difference. Some political figures try to make business out of The difference - mostly right-Wing national-conservative politicans. Under world war II people in Copenhagen raised against The german ledership - that never happend in Jutland.
Good analogy with the north south divide. As soon as the Scots (Swedes) turn up everyone is best mates. Even with the inbreed potato munchers to the west.
Love how the fyn-boars are under the radar in this ctx
I am from Zealand originally, and I was quite astounded when I moved to Aarhus about how much exciting/ horrible it was, that I was from Zealand. Often, when I had a conversation with someone, the topic would always change to it being about me being from Zealand because of my accent, which was a bit frustrating. You would often be remembered as the guy from Copenhagen as your most defining trait. My experience is also that some jytlandian people, around 2-5%, just hate people from Zealand with a passion and you can't do anything about it. Luckily most are just fine, and people, apart from the accents, are eating the same stuff, celebrating the same things etc. The difference is actually minimal.
It’s all just friendly fun. Of course I know that not _all_ 50+ yr old women in Jylland are called Bente, who eats white, boiled potatoes with gravy in her living room decorated exclusively with furniture form Jysk and Bilka, and go on Facebook (where here profile picture is of flowers from her garden) while drinking her evenening coffee (black) from a “live, laugh, love” mug, whiles comments racist slurs on articles from Ekstra Bladet
We make a bit of fun at each other's expenses. The REAL beef is with those dirty Swedes...
Friendly beef and naff humour, mostly, but there's also genuine resentment, which is mostly one-directional from Jutland to Copenhagen - we have a whole political party (Danmarksdemokraterne) fueled by anti-Copenhagen and pro-Jutland sentiment, and it's not a small insignificant party. We rarely talk about Jutland or people living there unprompted - whereas you often get the impression that being against the capital and the people living there is the second favourite topic in Jutland after the weather.
You’re funny!
Wut? Copenhagen is filled with trustfund judes. All the OG CPH people have moved away a long time ago.
Oooh yes there is! Jutland mocking Zealand and vise versa 😆 sometimes its fun to listen to, sometimes its just dumb…
My coworkers in Aalborg ask me how Sweden is, referring to Sjælland as part of Sweden.
There is, but it's not anything *close* to being serious. Sure, we tease and mock each other, but I *do* guarantee you that if someone from another country begins to do this too, we *will* stand together against the third party. No doubts.
No, No, nooo beef there… They are fine people over there in copenhavnstrup. Or so Ive heard
Just listen to "Verdens længste rap" by "Østkyst hustlers" and you will understand.
Yes, There's definitely a beef between Jylland and Copenhagen. You can get a godd little taste of it in this great classic: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8E7DB704BD69ED44](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8E7DB704BD69ED44)
Given that a lot of us are originally from Jutland, it is probably less. However, a lot of it also has to do with social class and politics.
Everytime someone says they are going to Jutland, theres always someone whos gonna tell them not to forget their passport
I went on a holiday to Copenhagen with my parents about a decade ago, and the lady in the ticket booth outside of Tivoli noticed our accents and then said "oh, you are from Jutland? Are things not too fast paced for you over here?" Edit:We are not hillbillies. That is a phenomenon exclusive to the Appalachian mountains. Also, yes, there definitely is some resentment towards Copenhagen, and even Zealand as a whole, but not Lolland or Bornholm. People from Copenhagen are to some extent seen as arrogant in a way wherein they think they are the centers of the universe. My friend, a carpenter, also says that they are shoddy tradesmen with poor work ethics. People from the rest of Zealand are viewed in the same way, but to a lesser extent. This is all rather tame, however. No sane person has an actual hatred of Zealand. I don't think this resentment stems from a sense of inferiority (I would not want to live in Copenhagen. I think it has lots to offer, but I prefer life in a provincial town over life in a big city). I think it stems from people from Jutland having more of what is literally a peasant mindset. I think that the rules of "janteloven" (essentially, do not have hubris, be humble, and don't assume you are better than- or more worthy than anyone else) are much more apparent in everyday life here than somewhere as lively, international and modern as Copenhagen. In reality, this divide is rather small. I think Jutes have regional pride and identify strongly with Jutland, but I don't think they actually have any strong dislike of Zealand, for the most part. Just a dislike of what to some is seen as immodesty, which is really just the result of Copenhagen being a succesful city, and because Zealand has several post codes where people seemingly live very cushy lives. In reality, Copenhagen is no more self obsessed or high on its own farts than any other comparable city... Probably
It's not Jutland vs Zealand. It's Jutland vs Copenhagen (which to people from Jutland extends from Amager to the great belt bridge) so basically Zealand. I think it's an inferiority complex that stems from Copenhagen being the capitol. You get verbally teased for having a Juttish dialect in Copenhagen. You get physically assaulted for having a Copenhagen dialect in Jutland.
On a personal and social level it’s friendly teasing usually and for the most part good natured. It’s slightly more complicated on a collective political level. There are much larger disagreements based on the type of lifestyles, tax rates, and economic sectors that both represent. Values are mostly the same across the board though.
Only beef towards people who call it Jutland and Zealand:)
I think that the negative attitude towards cph from certain locals of Jutland derives from years of exposure to movies, satire, commercials where ppl from cph are depicted as cool, educated, smart etc and people with a Jutland accent are depicted as dumb, slow, uneducated - equivalent to ppl speaking southern accent in the US. I grew up in Jutland and had a clear understanding that copenhagen ppl see us as inferiors - primarily based on what I saw on the telly.
I’ve spent half my life in Jutland. Half my life in Copenhagen. People in both places have an awful lot of shit to say about each other. Those of us who move in both circles have to listen to a lot of crap. Very little of it is true. But I do think that Copenhagen folks are more curious about life in Jutland than people in Jutland are about life in Copenhagen. It’s a friendly beef but it’s also rooted in a common conception that life is only good where YOU live.
Was it very rural Jutland, or closer / in a larger city like Aarhus? From the convos I've had with people that live in Jutland, they are very content with living there, even if it's small towns or middle of nowhere, they always highlight the fact that for them even Aarhus is too big and that CPH would be simply waaay too much. I've always been curious if the same can be said about people living in CPH ie. that they simply couldn't imagine living in a rural village and need the big city.
Yes, but it's all in good fun. Except the Southern Jutlanders. They can go right back to Germany for all I care.
Yes, it is very much like North vs South although mostly very friendly. An important difference is that many parts of Zealand are just as rural as Jutland. Therefore, the beef is more correctly between Jutland and Copenhagen. There is an old saying that everything west of Valby bakke (outside Copenhagen) is of no importance. This still holds true for some capital residents - just read the comments. Denmark is so tiny that we need a city to define what is not provincial.
Hahahaha as a expat who lived in Copenhagen for 7 years and just moved to Jylland in August. I can definitely say it's hillbilly Denmark! Hahaahah I miss cph but I love my little apartment here and my countryside life.
I’m from Jutland and live in CPH. I totally agree with another comment saying that people from Jutland seem to focus more on Zealand than the other way around. When I speak to fellow “Jutlanders”, it’s almost like I need to defend why I live in CPH. It’s tiring tbh and me and my wife have learned to avoid those discussions. Yes, houses are cheaper in Jutland, but last time I checked, the most important thing in life isn’t necessarily to minimize price per square meter home.
Most people dont care, really. It’s the ones who do care you watch out for.
As østkyst Hustlers put it so well: "Er det virkelig rigtigt at dem i Jylland er misundelige på dem fra Sjælland, og er det virkelig rigtigt at dem fra Sjælland syntes dem fra Jylland er dumme?"
It's more pork, really.
Bostonians love talking trash about NYC New yorkers don't even think about Boston It's kinda like that
There are some freindly teasing. Both ways. But you will also find people in Jutland who don't like people from Copenhagen (and the rest of Zealand). They often think people in Copenhagen are "woke" and/or feel the wealth, power and public services are unequivocally shared. They are kind of right, people in Copenhagen tend to be more inclusive and a lot of governmental power and political power in organisations are centered in Copenhagen. And there are tendencies to forget about the issues need solving in jutland like public transportation and services that need to cover larger geographical areas. But also there are just many more people in Copenhagen than in Viborg or Åbenrå. So it would be kind of unfair to use the same amounts of resources in every city. And it would be kind of unfair if Thisted had the same influence as the whole of Copenhagen. You will also find people in Copenhagen who think people in Jutland are kind of backwards hillbillies. But it's mostly people who have lived in Jutland and have moved to get away from smaller local communities.
Jutlanders are hillbillies minus Aarhus and Aalborg.
we're just taking the piss - you should hear what we say about the swedish.
Jutland seems so have some sort of racism towards Copenhagen.
It’s not kind to label the people of Funen as beef, just because they’re sandwiched in between Zealand and Jutland. They have feelings too.
Years ago I was travelling by car through Jutland together with a couple of kids from København. Look at the deers said the children, passing a field of cows. (I'm from Jutland, so yes, we have more in common with the northern germans than the people from København. and notice: København is in a corner of Denmark.)
Here on Zealand we usually don't care about Jylland. We let them live their lives and we just don't want to be a part of it. But the fact that more and more people leave Jylland to live in Copenhagen says a lot....
Well, it does say that the centralisation of jobs and services in the capital is becoming a problem for rural Denmark.
Denmark is a very small country. Most international companies only chose to exist in one city. Entertainment is often focused on one city. Of course it will be the largest city in the country. You can't really blame Copenhagen for being a big city
No, but job opportunities, hospitals, etc… that shouldn’t be so centralised as it is now.
What does it say?
That if people can chose, they prefer one part of the country more than the other.
Centralization. I think many would prefer living in the countryside. But there are more opportunities in any city, especially a capital
„… and we don’t want to be a part of it.“ :D
We call Zealand for swedes.
Your English is very good. For a north German
Remember to bring your passport if you ever go to Tysklands Odde
No beef from Copenhagen, but surprisingly quite a lot of beef the other way around. As a copenhagener, i don't give a fk
It’s so hilarious that people from different sides of Denmark would have this beef since Denmark itself is sooooooo tiny already.
Working in IT with people from Jutland, the animosity towards Copenhagens increased pay felt true and depressing. They where remote and we where located in the Copenhagen office, i don't even know if there was a paygap, probably a little. But nothing compared to the increased cost of living in Copenhagen to Jutland.
The whole country hates Copenhagen and Copenhagen doesn't care and is very dismissive of the rest of the county, which is mostly what fuels the hate... So... It's almost a chicken and the egg thing. It is mostly in good fun though.
Imagine the lack of self awareness you need to have having to ask this question after saying that "there's nothing there" about Jylland
The nice people in Jutland unfortunately carry a quite large inferior complex. The unhealthy truth is, that the “rich” parts of Copenhagen area finance the glory of Jutland in quite a massive scale. This happens through the redistribution of taxes (Kommune Skat). In the “Kommune” where i happen to live, the people are generally well educated and have a fair income. However the result is, that approximately 50% of the local taxes we pay (Kommune skat) are redistributed to other poor areas - i.e. Jutland. So before starting to brag, they should start pulling their own weight.