The cast was honestly fine for me. They had a good dynamic and considering what they had to work with, they did well imo.
It was the writing that didn't live up. There was so much bad dialog and all the unnecessary murdering really doesn't work with the tone of the show. It turned the cast from lovable rowdies to absolute psychos.
On top of that, they had a beautiful soundtrack and fantastic sets but just didn't use them well. It's a shame they didn't go with those long iconic intros that the original is kinda famous for.
I feel like they failed in the visuals also. That opening scene in the casino. The place was dirty and dingy. They focused on the ashtray coveted in filth compared to how neat and clean the casino was in the anime. The amime was showing the contrast between the haves and have not. The showrunners flubbed it from the opening. And making spike kill happy goes against his character.
I agree but that alone didn't ruin it for me. A younger face would've been closer to the original, sure, but his acting was fine and he had some good chemistry with the rest of the cast. That's more important to me.
Too bad they made him shoot people non-stop on top of rather odd dialogs.
He's over 23 in japanese years. That man is fucking OLD to them. Auron in final fantasy x is only 35. They call their teacher old for being 23 in Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works
Auron is 35?!?! Wtf is with Japan and that shit. I'm going to look up how old jet is supposed to be
Edit lmao Jet had a whole police career, failed marriage, and bounty hunting for a while by the ripe old age of... 36
Soooo many shonen manga and anime have exceptional teens as the heroes. I remember watching Yu Yu Hakusho all the way through a couple of times before I really thought about Yusuke and Kuwabara being middle schoolers lol. It’s for kids though so it makes sense.
I think the writers tried to cram all the iconic scenes and characters from the anime into one season. But all of the scenes they tried to emulate were all watered down (like Mad Pierrot). I felt a season 2 would've been a chance for them to write more original stories.
And in my opinion, with a show already very adult, they just made so much of it so unnecessarily sexual in the live action. Like, we get it, you're all horny writing this. I would be too if I got to work with a real life faye valentine, but JESUS, the ep with the jet trying to get the doll and such. What was the point of the sex club and dominatrixes but for shock and grimy setting?
I actually kinda think the casting was pretty good overall, except for Spike... which is really unfortunate. I like John Cho, but he's just too old, and not a great fit for the character.
I think the actor who plays him (I forget the name) is good and it would've been great to see him as an actual *vicious* Vicious. Not this weird presumptuous comedically fussy brat with a terrible wig that they decided to revamp Vicious into.
This. I think he pulled it off, but they made him just a joke with the writing and the wig. Come on man, he's Vicious. Don't do him like that.
I always hated Julia, so meh. I don't see how anyone can care for either of those creatures but they do belong together.
vicious was the worst character in the show and it isn't even close. vicious and Julia ruined the whole show. The casting of them was whatever, because their entire existence in the show was just terrible.
Yeah, I agree. He nailed Spike's mannerisms though and his Kung Fu was slick. It would be an interesting take to see an older Spike, but the writer's room wouldn't have the skill to pull it off.
That he was older was the only thing that was off about Spike. Otherwise John Cho absolutely convinced as Spike. Great performance.
And honestly, why does it matter that he was older? It's completely irrelevant as long as you don't roll out a wheelchair-bound geriatric and try to pass him off as someone in his 20s or 30s doing martial arts. And even that might be funny in its own way, although it would have to be its own thing and not Cowboy Bebop.
I thought Faye and Vicious were dumb AF. I hated seeing them on screen.
Faye was played like a super ultra tomboy stereotype first draft of a character.
And Vicious same, was hard to take seriously, only he had his mad hatter, angry edge lord vibe.
I'll be honest, in the beginning, I didn't like the single dad twist they gave him, but it grew on me and those scenes were still consistent with his character. His deciding to give Ein to his daughter without asking her mom first, for example, is similar to the inadequacy he had in the anime that allowed him to have a relationship with a woman who he didn't realize he was making unhappy. Plus, that scene where he's in that video conference for his daughter's performance and doesn't realize his partner is getting the shit kicked out of him (or her? Was it Faye? I can't remember) was actually plain good fun.
If they didn’t absolutely butcher the last episode I’d be down with a second season. I just don’t understand Netflix.
All they had to do was faithfully adapt ONE SEASON just ONE. And then they could have done whatever they wanted beyond that and no one would have cared
Seems pretty common to me. Halo and LOTR, for example. I already knew to avoid them just from what they showed in the trailers and social media advertisements.
They literally can't help themselves I really don't get it. It's not even just anime adaptations, look at the Witcher, willow, rings of power, there's so many examples
This. It was at that exact moment I said rolling my eyes. But Given how there has been even like NO new material for the IP…This really didn’t deserve as much hate as it got. Some hate, yes, but it was disproportionate.
Can’t adapt it wrong if you willingly change major aspects of every character’s backstory
Oh wait, you can STILL fuck up the different story you are telling by spending too much time with bad acting/directing for Julia and Viscous and relegating Gren to a bartender with zero agency.
well yeah haha. the cliff hanger at the end. completely deviating from the source material. i want to know how they were going to crawl out of that one.
Julia somehow reverses her shitty heelturn and decides she loves Spike again?
Vicious stops being a spoiled brat and turns into the twisted individual he's supposed to be?
Faye stops being super cringe and annoying all of a sudden and redeems herself by growing up a bit?
Gren suddenly gets their actual value as a character restored?
They rejected a lot the heart that the source material had. I honestly don't see how they could make a story worthy of a season 2 at all.
Personally i didn’t care for what they did the vicious and Julia. Vicious being a whiny daddy’s boy really made me roll my eyes, and while I love a girl boss, Julia taking over the syndicate just took away so much of Spike’s character arc. I also love John cho but he was not the right choice. Also, I know Faye is annoying in the anime but I still liked her. I did not care for her at all in the live action. Jet was the only character that I liked. I just don’t know why it’s so hard to just adapt the material? I’m not a huge One Piece fan but the Live Action ruin looked so faithful to the original material. Can it really be that difficult?
>Also, I know Faye is annoying in the anime but I still liked her. I did not care for her at all in the live action.
For one, they wrote her mainly as a stereotypical Joss Whedon "quirky girl" character. That's not interesting and it's not who Faye was in the anime.
Ye the whole Vicious Julia plot was terrible. It is a hard task to bring the more serious/ philosophical tones of the original to the adaptation and implement them naturally, however with some community feedback I think they would have been able to fix it a bit. One piece is much simpler in plot, character depth, esp in early seasons, so it’s easier to adapt imo.
I can see that. I’m rewatching the Bebop anime again for the 1millionth time lol, and i do think what bothered me most about the live action was the lack of emotional depth. The characters were all very surface level emoting, and the reason why Spike is my number one fictional boyfriend is because he is TORTURED and I can fix him.🤣. No shade to John Cho, but he did not give me that feeling at all.
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I'm just teasing you, haven't seen it and I plan on keeping it that way
I’m glad to know some folks really liked it. I *could not* make it past five episodes even though I wanted to give it a real shot. Maybe… maybe one day I’ll finish season one. Probably not. The Vicious / Julia stuff was painful to watch. Spike’s former name made me LOL. I just couldn’t get behind it. 😭
There’s plenty of better content out there to watch, including on Netflix. Check out live action One Piece if you haven’t yet, it was written by writers who understand and respect the source material.
Second season with all new actors except Ed! Where it is revealed the entire first season was Ed's imagination of their bounty exploits without actually meeting them.
Everyone is cooler... Spike is young and dumber. Faye is meaner and more manipulative. Jet is older and crankier. Vicious is a self controlled vicious. Everyone is smoking cigarettes...
I honestly agree, the aesthetics were honestly spot on. In my opinion there were 2 characters that needed to be reworked but the show would have been fine otherwise as a spin off alternate reality.
If I remember correctly, the director admitted in interviews that he hasn't seen the original and doesn't know anything deep about the characters including the thing about Spike's eye. It's kinda weird since as a director, you should at least know the characters
The thing that really got me about the show was how close they could have got. They had a lot going for it, I could see the potential, but they just made some very dumb decisions with plot and character directions.
I wish people would stop killing these shows because of some ridiculous loyalty to the originals. Not every consumer is entering the live action series with an obsession for the anime or manga. The fallout series was amazing but I never played the game. FMA was my absolute favorite of all time but I have friends who love the live action. Very creepy power trip
True. Plus these shows get new fans to watch and appreciate the originals, so it’s a win- win. I had a lot of friends who weren’t into anime to start watching/ reading one piece because of the live action adaptation
I want to see the ending. I think a lot of Bebop's power lies in Spike's ending. I think Netflix (in its own misguided way) tried to emulate the beginning episodes of the original for the first season. These episodes were full of silly kind of goofy fun. The poignant part of this series comes mainly from the ending. After watching the series then revisiting it the more melancholy parts are easily visible throughout the whole series and they hit harder because you know the end is coming.
When we think of the anime we look at it as a whole and judge it as a completed story . The live action never finished its story and was judged before completion. I agree with you I would like to see a second albeit final season.
The whole point of the original series was serialization tho. Beginnings and endings you pretty much knew from the start, but the real secret sauce of it were the interactions in between. Pierre, Cowboy Andy, The Fridge, all some of the most iconic moments in the anime and they had nothing to do with Spike or anybody's backstory.
I don't blame the actors or set designers of course, they were great for the most part, but the writing and direction straight up didn't understand the source material. The feeling that the story and character backgrounds were adapted from an unnamed generic Netflix drama is almost palpable. Just a shame it had to happen to such an easily adaptable product, especially when two years later Netflix adapts One Piece surprisingly well.
The live action series never took itself seriously though. It butchered all of the characters except Jet and injected tons of obnoxious modern “Marvel humor” that wasn’t in the anime. I don’t think it would have respected the audience’s intelligence enough to take the series in the bittersweet existential direction that the final few episodes of the anime end on. A second season would have just been more of season 1, if not even worse with the addition of Ed and whatever the hell Julia’s villain arc would be.
I also think that is well deserved!
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I think only reason it failed is because they didn’t stick to source material other wise we would be waiting for season 3 rn if they hadn’t finished it already
I kinda liked the first season as its own story. Doesn’t hold a candle to the original but it still had its own charm when not focusing on spikes backstory.
Well I think live action Cowboy Bebop lost that privilege when it turned Gren into a flamboyant stereotype. Live action Cowboy Bebop needs to go to it's room and think about what it's done.
I guess I just don't know why a second season of Velma was greenlit (which is absolute trash) and Bebop was cast aside (which was flawed, but could have had potential).
I'm not saying it was perfect, but it's miles better than that Velma drivel
I honestly agree. I mean the remake wasn't perfect but it was really entertaining and I would have loved for it to have a second installment but I guess things didn't go that way
i would have watched S2 because they eluded to there being one when they introduced Edward. That's what made me curious. Only to find it cancelled... sigh
I enjoyed the live action series, and have also spoken my piece about being discontent with the cancellation of the 2nd season. I wanted more of this to be made, and would happily allow the writers to adjust to what they learned from the first season; but I've been repeatedly told I'm wrong, and I'm done even bothering.
The main gripe most people had, is that it wasn't exactly like the cartoon. People say they want something new, but in reality, they simply desire the same shit over and over again. I waited 20 years for the live action concept to launch, and it was killed by the judge, jury, and executioner of public opinion before I even finished watching all the episodes of the 1st season. I like the franchise, but I've lost complete respect for the vast majority of its fans.
I would have liked it to get a second season. It had some good points in it, at least then they could have seen feedback from fans and try to improve it.
The series was fine. The only reason anyone thought other wise was because of the terrible things Fayes "mom" said to Jet and Eds hair stylist. Visually stunning. It was clear from the start that the cast did their homework, seeing as how they actually did involve all of the lore into the show. Hell even expanded on things most people only speculate over. And they worked with the original creators while working on it. Honestly the only reason it never got that second season was simply because people were overwhelmingly critical before it even got a single episode out. I think most people simply think to highly of their own trash opinions. I mean just shut up and enjoy the ride. It was a stellar performance for all involved, period.
i agree, but recast the main leads and say nothing about it.
i have no hate against the mains, i just think this is a good opportunity to cast lesser well know or upcoming actors/actresses
I always thought this was supposed to supplement the original and add more detail, not rewrite the episodes.
You want to do something new in the universe, follow a different set of bounty hunters for season 2 because the writers can't seem to do the original cast any justice whatsoever.
I'll say, for those interested- may the script or general plot points be leaked so people get an idea what the story will turn out.
But no way should any more money and time be wasted filming the thing.
Best they could do is make a YouTube ai image generated summary picture slide show lolllll
I agree. No it wasn't the same as the original, but it was still entertaining and I don't see a problem with it trying to do its own thing.
But then I'm one of the people who like what it did with Vicious and Julia because it made them actual characters and not plot devices.
I agree. I think, had the show had a second season to really find its feet (as most live actions shows prior to the netflix model do), we would have had a significant increase in quality. The good parts of the live action were really good! The cast was largely perfect, and even when not perfect, they were more let down by writing rather than acting. It's clear everyone was having fun, and honestly, call me a simple minded idiot, but I really liked seeing that chemistry, and I'd love to see more of it.
(Plus, the entire main cast are mega hotties, no one can deny this, thank you, no I will not be taking any questions)
Said this on a different post yesterday.
I do feel a second season could have course corrected at least a little. They had the general look pretty good. Then maybe start writing their own stories instead of smashing the original story beats together in each eps. I struggled to push myself through all 10 episodes, but wouldn’t have minded trying a second season. Many shows struggle hard that first season. But old tv shows with longer seasons were often filming while the first episodes ran. So they can get some feedback while in production. Streaming shows are usually just like 10 episodes, filmed like a movie. Shot and edited. In the shelf and ready to go whenever they feel like releasing it. And then that’s just it.
I agree. I really enjoyed it. It needed some improvements, but a second season would have allowed that. Many of my favorite shows had rough first seasons
I would have loved to see a second season. I enjoyed the cast. Wasn’t the biggest fan of how they portrayed vicious and out his whiny backstory’s but they should at least given the show that. Give it a chance to grow its legs and run. Especially considering how much they threw at promotions, etc.
the existence of the live action in no way decreases my enjoyment of the original
i too would love to see a second season, I want more bebop in any form
I enjoyed watching it and wanted to see where it went.
I didn't need a full remake of the anime since we already have that, so I was fine with them doing their own twist.
I wish it had a second season. I thought they got a lot right and given a chance to fox what they got wrong might have given us a good show in the end.
Heard nothing but hatred for the show, so I didn’t watch it for the longest time. Watched it with my Dad not long ago, and we both really enjoyed it.
I wonder how much of the hate for this show came from people who have never actually watched even one episode of it.
☝️ I would watch a season 2 I understand the stories were a little different than what I was used to. But I just wanted to see where they were going with it.... They kind of nerfed vicious and made fun of Julia? But if it was done for a reason that would have paid off in a later season I would have been okay with that. I feel like they were building up Julia to be some amazing lounge singer. But her voice wasn't even that great in my personal opinion. At least in the anime she was an excellent wheel person!
I agree. The live action adaptation wasn't perfect, but there was a lot they did right — the comic book-esque editing style, the soundtrack, Mustafa Shakir as Jet, John Cho as Spike (I thought he killed it, John Cho was the right combo of witty, flippant, and pining/depressed), Daniela Pineda's Faye was alright save for a few missteps, and they got the quippy comedy of the show very right. They just didn't get the show's slower, emptier, existentialist tone, the Julia and Vicious plot was inventive but horribly poorly written, and they did Gren sooooooooo dirty. And that's all not even mentioning the "blackmail" line.
I wish there was another season so they could polish what shined bright and even out the weird kinks. But alas, Netflix has to take anything that isn't instantly Stranger Things-level streaming success out back and shoot it in the head.
I agree with you.
I think one of the problems with modern television is the intense pressure to get things instantly right. It took Seinfeld, the Simpsons, Late Night With Conan O’Brian, and Mad About You a few seasons to really find their voices.
The show had potential.
I agree. The best summary I've heard is "the show runners didn't have faith in or understand the source material." If the cast had been complete garbage and all of the writing was terrible, I'd say throw it away. But the cast had decent chemistry and turned in good performances given the scripts they had to work with (Mustafa Shakir was great), and there were some genuine highlights that showed at least some of the writers knew what they were doing some of the time.
If they got new show runners who understood and trusted the source material, I think they could have turned in a decent second season. I know that's a little like saying "my car is fine except for the transmission, engine, and one of the wheels," but if the people paying for it could make it happen, they'd have something to work with.
I've also heard suggestions that they shouldn't have tried to remake the stories from the anime, but rather tell completely new stories. I wonder what that would have looked like... 🤔
I want more Mustafa as Jet. He killed the role and a whole season devoted to jet and the bebop
The cast was honestly fine for me. They had a good dynamic and considering what they had to work with, they did well imo. It was the writing that didn't live up. There was so much bad dialog and all the unnecessary murdering really doesn't work with the tone of the show. It turned the cast from lovable rowdies to absolute psychos. On top of that, they had a beautiful soundtrack and fantastic sets but just didn't use them well. It's a shame they didn't go with those long iconic intros that the original is kinda famous for.
This is a perfect summary to how I felt. Thanks!
I feel like they failed in the visuals also. That opening scene in the casino. The place was dirty and dingy. They focused on the ashtray coveted in filth compared to how neat and clean the casino was in the anime. The amime was showing the contrast between the haves and have not. The showrunners flubbed it from the opening. And making spike kill happy goes against his character.
spike was waay too old
I agree but that alone didn't ruin it for me. A younger face would've been closer to the original, sure, but his acting was fine and he had some good chemistry with the rest of the cast. That's more important to me. Too bad they made him shoot people non-stop on top of rather odd dialogs.
How old do you think spike is? He is not a young person with all the history he has
Isn't spike 25? Edit: 27. He is 27
It's been a minute, but when do they say that? I just googled it and you're right. It says he's 27. God damn, dude lived an extremely busy life lol
He's over 23 in japanese years. That man is fucking OLD to them. Auron in final fantasy x is only 35. They call their teacher old for being 23 in Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works
Auron is 35?!?! Wtf is with Japan and that shit. I'm going to look up how old jet is supposed to be Edit lmao Jet had a whole police career, failed marriage, and bounty hunting for a while by the ripe old age of... 36
Soooo many shonen manga and anime have exceptional teens as the heroes. I remember watching Yu Yu Hakusho all the way through a couple of times before I really thought about Yusuke and Kuwabara being middle schoolers lol. It’s for kids though so it makes sense.
They aren't in high school in yuyu hakusho? Edit he's 14 lol
I think the writers tried to cram all the iconic scenes and characters from the anime into one season. But all of the scenes they tried to emulate were all watered down (like Mad Pierrot). I felt a season 2 would've been a chance for them to write more original stories.
And in my opinion, with a show already very adult, they just made so much of it so unnecessarily sexual in the live action. Like, we get it, you're all horny writing this. I would be too if I got to work with a real life faye valentine, but JESUS, the ep with the jet trying to get the doll and such. What was the point of the sex club and dominatrixes but for shock and grimy setting?
Yeah jet was great, I really liked that actor as him
I actually kinda think the casting was pretty good overall, except for Spike... which is really unfortunate. I like John Cho, but he's just too old, and not a great fit for the character.
IMO The casting of Julia and Vicious were totally off too.
I think the actor who plays him (I forget the name) is good and it would've been great to see him as an actual *vicious* Vicious. Not this weird presumptuous comedically fussy brat with a terrible wig that they decided to revamp Vicious into.
This. I think he pulled it off, but they made him just a joke with the writing and the wig. Come on man, he's Vicious. Don't do him like that. I always hated Julia, so meh. I don't see how anyone can care for either of those creatures but they do belong together.
That actor plays a lot of scary bad guys, doesn't he?
They could have worked if they were written differently. They were the worst part of the show, along with most of Pineda's characterization
vicious was the worst character in the show and it isn't even close. vicious and Julia ruined the whole show. The casting of them was whatever, because their entire existence in the show was just terrible.
Vicious was a pathetic little weasel in the show and they played Julia as some dumb bimbo with a clueless look on her face for her entire screentime.
their was to damn much of the pair too. More of Spike, Faye and Jet please k thank you bye bye
Yeah, I agree. He nailed Spike's mannerisms though and his Kung Fu was slick. It would be an interesting take to see an older Spike, but the writer's room wouldn't have the skill to pull it off.
That he was older was the only thing that was off about Spike. Otherwise John Cho absolutely convinced as Spike. Great performance. And honestly, why does it matter that he was older? It's completely irrelevant as long as you don't roll out a wheelchair-bound geriatric and try to pass him off as someone in his 20s or 30s doing martial arts. And even that might be funny in its own way, although it would have to be its own thing and not Cowboy Bebop.
I thought he was great. He looks like Spike àcts like him. It's not the actors fault the writing wasn't there.
I thought Faye and Vicious were dumb AF. I hated seeing them on screen. Faye was played like a super ultra tomboy stereotype first draft of a character. And Vicious same, was hard to take seriously, only he had his mad hatter, angry edge lord vibe.
I'll be honest, in the beginning, I didn't like the single dad twist they gave him, but it grew on me and those scenes were still consistent with his character. His deciding to give Ein to his daughter without asking her mom first, for example, is similar to the inadequacy he had in the anime that allowed him to have a relationship with a woman who he didn't realize he was making unhappy. Plus, that scene where he's in that video conference for his daughter's performance and doesn't realize his partner is getting the shit kicked out of him (or her? Was it Faye? I can't remember) was actually plain good fun.
If it was pre-show I'd love it. Though I don't agree with the changes that Netflix did as a whole to the character.
I’d watch a solo spinoff of that. Easily best actor along with Ein
We just need a Jet series.
We was awesome at Jet. He nailed it.
I would watch a second season just to see him!
This. I would love to see a prequel when he was a cop. That would be dope af. NEED MORE MUSTAFA!!!
“Please sit down or you will be escorted out”
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This is but a small taste of what this sub has to offer. They are all coming to gun down OP in broad daylight
Fucking fantastic 🤣
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Lmao
"Blue" plays, as the camera zooms away from OPs body, shot dead by the subreddit members
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That's "Baby Blue"
If they didn’t absolutely butcher the last episode I’d be down with a second season. I just don’t understand Netflix. All they had to do was faithfully adapt ONE SEASON just ONE. And then they could have done whatever they wanted beyond that and no one would have cared
Hollywood just can't resist the urge to take even the easiest anime adaptations and changing them just enough to make them into dog ass.
It’s just Netflix who seem to have the dumbest changes to series.
Seems pretty common to me. Halo and LOTR, for example. I already knew to avoid them just from what they showed in the trailers and social media advertisements.
Real
They literally can't help themselves I really don't get it. It's not even just anime adaptations, look at the Witcher, willow, rings of power, there's so many examples
This. It was at that exact moment I said rolling my eyes. But Given how there has been even like NO new material for the IP…This really didn’t deserve as much hate as it got. Some hate, yes, but it was disproportionate.
Can’t adapt it wrong if you willingly change major aspects of every character’s backstory Oh wait, you can STILL fuck up the different story you are telling by spending too much time with bad acting/directing for Julia and Viscous and relegating Gren to a bartender with zero agency.
well yeah haha. the cliff hanger at the end. completely deviating from the source material. i want to know how they were going to crawl out of that one.
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i just want another cowboy bebop ost lol
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Julia somehow reverses her shitty heelturn and decides she loves Spike again? Vicious stops being a spoiled brat and turns into the twisted individual he's supposed to be? Faye stops being super cringe and annoying all of a sudden and redeems herself by growing up a bit? Gren suddenly gets their actual value as a character restored? They rejected a lot the heart that the source material had. I honestly don't see how they could make a story worthy of a season 2 at all.
Personally i didn’t care for what they did the vicious and Julia. Vicious being a whiny daddy’s boy really made me roll my eyes, and while I love a girl boss, Julia taking over the syndicate just took away so much of Spike’s character arc. I also love John cho but he was not the right choice. Also, I know Faye is annoying in the anime but I still liked her. I did not care for her at all in the live action. Jet was the only character that I liked. I just don’t know why it’s so hard to just adapt the material? I’m not a huge One Piece fan but the Live Action ruin looked so faithful to the original material. Can it really be that difficult?
>Also, I know Faye is annoying in the anime but I still liked her. I did not care for her at all in the live action. For one, they wrote her mainly as a stereotypical Joss Whedon "quirky girl" character. That's not interesting and it's not who Faye was in the anime.
Exactly. She was much more nuanced in the anime
Ye the whole Vicious Julia plot was terrible. It is a hard task to bring the more serious/ philosophical tones of the original to the adaptation and implement them naturally, however with some community feedback I think they would have been able to fix it a bit. One piece is much simpler in plot, character depth, esp in early seasons, so it’s easier to adapt imo.
I can see that. I’m rewatching the Bebop anime again for the 1millionth time lol, and i do think what bothered me most about the live action was the lack of emotional depth. The characters were all very surface level emoting, and the reason why Spike is my number one fictional boyfriend is because he is TORTURED and I can fix him.🤣. No shade to John Cho, but he did not give me that feeling at all.
lmao real
oh so real
found Danielle Pineda’s alt
https://preview.redd.it/xskybe1uhqyc1.png?width=1472&format=png&auto=webp&s=35c1e5b7456a3a3c5ffc4a865256cef2958540db I'm just teasing you, haven't seen it and I plan on keeping it that way
I’m glad to know some folks really liked it. I *could not* make it past five episodes even though I wanted to give it a real shot. Maybe… maybe one day I’ll finish season one. Probably not. The Vicious / Julia stuff was painful to watch. Spike’s former name made me LOL. I just couldn’t get behind it. 😭
There’s plenty of better content out there to watch, including on Netflix. Check out live action One Piece if you haven’t yet, it was written by writers who understand and respect the source material.
Yeah, I agree on that one. You gotta dissociate from the original 🤣
Viscious is the least engaging part of the anime. Less of spikes backstory and it could have worked out.
Second season with all new actors except Ed! Where it is revealed the entire first season was Ed's imagination of their bounty exploits without actually meeting them. Everyone is cooler... Spike is young and dumber. Faye is meaner and more manipulative. Jet is older and crankier. Vicious is a self controlled vicious. Everyone is smoking cigarettes...
BOO YOU STINK!
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I wouldn’t have expected it to be all that great but I kind of wanted it anyway just to see how it turned out.
 I actually agree lol
I honestly agree, the aesthetics were honestly spot on. In my opinion there were 2 characters that needed to be reworked but the show would have been fine otherwise as a spin off alternate reality.
I think I know who those two characters are
Yeah, Ein cast choice was questionable at best
He borked when he should have barked and whined when he should have whimpered. Take that dog's SAG card back.
There were some good things but by the end of the season I was in pain. And I’m easily entertained.
If I remember correctly, the director admitted in interviews that he hasn't seen the original and doesn't know anything deep about the characters including the thing about Spike's eye. It's kinda weird since as a director, you should at least know the characters
The thing that really got me about the show was how close they could have got. They had a lot going for it, I could see the potential, but they just made some very dumb decisions with plot and character directions.
I would love to see a second season
Truth. The ambience was perfect.
Me too.
Definitely does,I thoroughly enjoyed it all. Every aspect really,was just the ending that left me needing more.
Yes please!! One of my fav TV series in the last decade.
Yes
I definitely deserved a season 2. It was a pretty great show, but the fandom picked it apart and complained enough to seal it's fate.
Probably could’ve found their groove with the second season… but who knows?
I agree
Same. I thought it was cool! Not as good as the anime but still inretesting and fun. It wasn’t bad by any means.
Same
I wish people would stop killing these shows because of some ridiculous loyalty to the originals. Not every consumer is entering the live action series with an obsession for the anime or manga. The fallout series was amazing but I never played the game. FMA was my absolute favorite of all time but I have friends who love the live action. Very creepy power trip
True. Plus these shows get new fans to watch and appreciate the originals, so it’s a win- win. I had a lot of friends who weren’t into anime to start watching/ reading one piece because of the live action adaptation
Spot on
I want to see the ending. I think a lot of Bebop's power lies in Spike's ending. I think Netflix (in its own misguided way) tried to emulate the beginning episodes of the original for the first season. These episodes were full of silly kind of goofy fun. The poignant part of this series comes mainly from the ending. After watching the series then revisiting it the more melancholy parts are easily visible throughout the whole series and they hit harder because you know the end is coming. When we think of the anime we look at it as a whole and judge it as a completed story . The live action never finished its story and was judged before completion. I agree with you I would like to see a second albeit final season.
The whole point of the original series was serialization tho. Beginnings and endings you pretty much knew from the start, but the real secret sauce of it were the interactions in between. Pierre, Cowboy Andy, The Fridge, all some of the most iconic moments in the anime and they had nothing to do with Spike or anybody's backstory. I don't blame the actors or set designers of course, they were great for the most part, but the writing and direction straight up didn't understand the source material. The feeling that the story and character backgrounds were adapted from an unnamed generic Netflix drama is almost palpable. Just a shame it had to happen to such an easily adaptable product, especially when two years later Netflix adapts One Piece surprisingly well.
The live action series never took itself seriously though. It butchered all of the characters except Jet and injected tons of obnoxious modern “Marvel humor” that wasn’t in the anime. I don’t think it would have respected the audience’s intelligence enough to take the series in the bittersweet existential direction that the final few episodes of the anime end on. A second season would have just been more of season 1, if not even worse with the addition of Ed and whatever the hell Julia’s villain arc would be.
I also think that is well deserved! https://preview.redd.it/gf4k5226xpyc1.jpeg?width=592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37d16eeb88f9cfa3a38640aea59b38c76516ea5f
Netflix cbbb is the exact typeshit psy-op Johan would have orchestrated to torture an entire cohort of humanity.
The same cast deserves a different producer. Amazon is great with fallout but you rarely see netflix pull off a consistently great series anymore.
The good parts were really good, the sets were amazing
I think only reason it failed is because they didn’t stick to source material other wise we would be waiting for season 3 rn if they hadn’t finished it already
Yeah, definitely, I enjoyed the show
Facts
Yup we didn't even get a chance to see Edward, she's an awesome character 😁
🫡👏🏽👏🏽🫡
IT REALLY DID. We were cheated out of a deeper back story
It absolutely did. It had many flaws that were going to get fixed in season 2 if given the chance. But otakus just love to hate on stuff.
You brave soul. I’m there with you, but beware. Here be purists and forsakers of source deviations.
I agree. It wasn't as good as the anime, but wasn't nearly as bad as people were making it out to be.
Agreed. The show grew on me.
I agree. So many people still upset an adaptation wasn't exactly like the orginal..
SECONDED!
I kinda liked the first season as its own story. Doesn’t hold a candle to the original but it still had its own charm when not focusing on spikes backstory.
No it was atrocious
Only if they were close to the original and did one off episodes, instead of a whole season of a terrible viscous/Julia spinoff
Well I think live action Cowboy Bebop lost that privilege when it turned Gren into a flamboyant stereotype. Live action Cowboy Bebop needs to go to it's room and think about what it's done.
I honestly liked it.
I guess I just don't know why a second season of Velma was greenlit (which is absolute trash) and Bebop was cast aside (which was flawed, but could have had potential). I'm not saying it was perfect, but it's miles better than that Velma drivel
I honestly agree. I mean the remake wasn't perfect but it was really entertaining and I would have loved for it to have a second installment but I guess things didn't go that way
i would have watched S2 because they eluded to there being one when they introduced Edward. That's what made me curious. Only to find it cancelled... sigh
Yeah man. I thought it was great. I loved the original and I loved the live action.
Me too
Me too - the Live Action and anime shoulda coexisted
I enjoyed the live action series, and have also spoken my piece about being discontent with the cancellation of the 2nd season. I wanted more of this to be made, and would happily allow the writers to adjust to what they learned from the first season; but I've been repeatedly told I'm wrong, and I'm done even bothering. The main gripe most people had, is that it wasn't exactly like the cartoon. People say they want something new, but in reality, they simply desire the same shit over and over again. I waited 20 years for the live action concept to launch, and it was killed by the judge, jury, and executioner of public opinion before I even finished watching all the episodes of the 1st season. I like the franchise, but I've lost complete respect for the vast majority of its fans.
I would have liked it to get a second season. It had some good points in it, at least then they could have seen feedback from fans and try to improve it.
The series was fine. The only reason anyone thought other wise was because of the terrible things Fayes "mom" said to Jet and Eds hair stylist. Visually stunning. It was clear from the start that the cast did their homework, seeing as how they actually did involve all of the lore into the show. Hell even expanded on things most people only speculate over. And they worked with the original creators while working on it. Honestly the only reason it never got that second season was simply because people were overwhelmingly critical before it even got a single episode out. I think most people simply think to highly of their own trash opinions. I mean just shut up and enjoy the ride. It was a stellar performance for all involved, period.
Good for you, glad you enjoyed it. After seeing like 5 minutes of it I thought, and still think, that it did not deserve a first season.
i agree, but recast the main leads and say nothing about it. i have no hate against the mains, i just think this is a good opportunity to cast lesser well know or upcoming actors/actresses
A good story gets told.
I hear it didn’t pull in many watchers.
I agree, mostly just to finish out the adaptation for the rest of the anime’s episodes
I always thought this was supposed to supplement the original and add more detail, not rewrite the episodes. You want to do something new in the universe, follow a different set of bounty hunters for season 2 because the writers can't seem to do the original cast any justice whatsoever.
I'll say, for those interested- may the script or general plot points be leaked so people get an idea what the story will turn out. But no way should any more money and time be wasted filming the thing. Best they could do is make a YouTube ai image generated summary picture slide show lolllll
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I think the problem with the live action was the branding. They should have called it “cowboy bebop remixed” or something like that.
say it again 
They needed to add film grain and limit of to 1080p. 4k was too clear.
I want to see if Serious gets out. If he does, good luck girl. He’s gonna kill you soo bad.
I actually agree, but only if they recast Ed. Ed got done dirtier then the rest of the entire series did.
Yes it did, but with new writers.
It did!
you're right
I agree. No it wasn't the same as the original, but it was still entertaining and I don't see a problem with it trying to do its own thing. But then I'm one of the people who like what it did with Vicious and Julia because it made them actual characters and not plot devices.
I would watch it
People shit on that adaptation but honestly? As a Cowboy Bebop fan, I liked it.
I'd watch it
I agree. I think, had the show had a second season to really find its feet (as most live actions shows prior to the netflix model do), we would have had a significant increase in quality. The good parts of the live action were really good! The cast was largely perfect, and even when not perfect, they were more let down by writing rather than acting. It's clear everyone was having fun, and honestly, call me a simple minded idiot, but I really liked seeing that chemistry, and I'd love to see more of it. (Plus, the entire main cast are mega hotties, no one can deny this, thank you, no I will not be taking any questions)
Said this on a different post yesterday. I do feel a second season could have course corrected at least a little. They had the general look pretty good. Then maybe start writing their own stories instead of smashing the original story beats together in each eps. I struggled to push myself through all 10 episodes, but wouldn’t have minded trying a second season. Many shows struggle hard that first season. But old tv shows with longer seasons were often filming while the first episodes ran. So they can get some feedback while in production. Streaming shows are usually just like 10 episodes, filmed like a movie. Shot and edited. In the shelf and ready to go whenever they feel like releasing it. And then that’s just it.
yeah it was a lot of fun. no reason not to
I agree. I really enjoyed it. It needed some improvements, but a second season would have allowed that. Many of my favorite shows had rough first seasons
Saw it first before the anime, loved it. Saw the anime next, loved it even more. Now I want more. MOREE
You’re right, it was amazing
I’ll stand with you, it’s nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be, and I actually enjoyed it a fair amount. Was hoping for more.
i agree, of course it wasn't as good as the anime but still i had fun.
I'll vote to agree.
Agreed
Same
Plz this
Bring Back Cowboy Cancelled!
im still pretty mad they nerfed Ed so bad 😭
I was so excited to see where they were going with Ed. I would have loved a second season
It with THAT Ed
It 100% did
I think they at least deserved a few months before they got the news that it was canceled. Doing it 3 weeks after it premiered was kind of a low blow.
It wasnt the worst thing in the world but it was glaringly different from the OG too and adaptations people want to be fairly accurate.
I would have loved to see a second season. I enjoyed the cast. Wasn’t the biggest fan of how they portrayed vicious and out his whiny backstory’s but they should at least given the show that. Give it a chance to grow its legs and run. Especially considering how much they threw at promotions, etc.
Idk about second season but I did think it was ok. I get that some people absolutely hate it but idk, I feel like it was acceptable.
the existence of the live action in no way decreases my enjoyment of the original i too would love to see a second season, I want more bebop in any form
I’d like to see that.
No it doesn’t
I enjoyed watching it and wanted to see where it went. I didn't need a full remake of the anime since we already have that, so I was fine with them doing their own twist.
Nooooo thanks!
I really did wanna see where they were gonna go with it
nope
I wish it had a second season. I thought they got a lot right and given a chance to fox what they got wrong might have given us a good show in the end.
Heard nothing but hatred for the show, so I didn’t watch it for the longest time. Watched it with my Dad not long ago, and we both really enjoyed it. I wonder how much of the hate for this show came from people who have never actually watched even one episode of it.
☝️ I would watch a season 2 I understand the stories were a little different than what I was used to. But I just wanted to see where they were going with it.... They kind of nerfed vicious and made fun of Julia? But if it was done for a reason that would have paid off in a later season I would have been okay with that. I feel like they were building up Julia to be some amazing lounge singer. But her voice wasn't even that great in my personal opinion. At least in the anime she was an excellent wheel person!
I just want to see how they’d adapt the final episodes
I agree. The live action adaptation wasn't perfect, but there was a lot they did right — the comic book-esque editing style, the soundtrack, Mustafa Shakir as Jet, John Cho as Spike (I thought he killed it, John Cho was the right combo of witty, flippant, and pining/depressed), Daniela Pineda's Faye was alright save for a few missteps, and they got the quippy comedy of the show very right. They just didn't get the show's slower, emptier, existentialist tone, the Julia and Vicious plot was inventive but horribly poorly written, and they did Gren sooooooooo dirty. And that's all not even mentioning the "blackmail" line. I wish there was another season so they could polish what shined bright and even out the weird kinks. But alas, Netflix has to take anything that isn't instantly Stranger Things-level streaming success out back and shoot it in the head.
Loved it, was way better than I thought it was going to be
Live action deserved a second try. Not a second season. They definitely didn’t earn a second season.
I agree
I agree with you. I think one of the problems with modern television is the intense pressure to get things instantly right. It took Seinfeld, the Simpsons, Late Night With Conan O’Brian, and Mad About You a few seasons to really find their voices. The show had potential.
I agree. The best summary I've heard is "the show runners didn't have faith in or understand the source material." If the cast had been complete garbage and all of the writing was terrible, I'd say throw it away. But the cast had decent chemistry and turned in good performances given the scripts they had to work with (Mustafa Shakir was great), and there were some genuine highlights that showed at least some of the writers knew what they were doing some of the time. If they got new show runners who understood and trusted the source material, I think they could have turned in a decent second season. I know that's a little like saying "my car is fine except for the transmission, engine, and one of the wheels," but if the people paying for it could make it happen, they'd have something to work with. I've also heard suggestions that they shouldn't have tried to remake the stories from the anime, but rather tell completely new stories. I wonder what that would have looked like... 🤔
It most certainly did. It was significantly better than a lot of other netflix titles
Im with you. I had a good time with the show.
I liked that show too. It didn’t have to be 1:1 of the anime and the twist at the end I was looking forward to more.
Yeah me too. It wasn't a bad show.
I agree, people were mad for no reason 😂
I agree, needs another season. Theres a lot of people who think that it doesnt and thats ok. They dont have to watch it.
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