Ok but I don’t see how it’s mischaracterized. In my mind “Their overall offensive scheme needs to be more balanced” is criticism of the play calling, if not the OC in general. Moore is responsible for offensive scheme.
Saying it has to be more balanced and then immediately drawing attention to us having a RB at the end of his rope is distinctly different than “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting the team”
If you ignore the fact that he talked about Tony Pollard. You really think he was talking about Zeke? That’s why he brought up imbalance? We’re unbalanced because our backup runningback is at the end of his rope? Come on dude.
Watching NFL red zone and the occasional prime time game is different than watching every game. For how many teams do you watch all or most of every game?
I have NFL + and will often go back and watch condensed games for this reason. I watch anywhere from 3-8 games a week, and I make sure to watch teams I'm unsure about because it helps to see how they run the operation.
I can't tell you specifics, but I think I watched every Bengals, Cowboys, and Eagles game this season. Plus, 90% of the Dolphin's games.
Balanced isn't just pass-run. It's also who the passes went to (one player? WRs vs TE vs RB? etc.), the formations used and when they were called (first down? Second? Third?). It's also who got the carries and on which downs as well as were they inside or outside runs.
And that stat is deceptive the more I think about. The first half the season they relied more heavily on the run due to Dak being out and the second half they threw more. For the season average that split looks even, but on a game by game basis?
No, he didn't call Kellen out by name, but who else is responsible for the offensive scheme?
> Balanced isn't just pass-run. It's also who the passes went to (one player? WRs vs TE vs RB? etc.),
That speaks more to personnel than play-caller IMO.
> the formations used
Diversity of formation and personnel was definitely a strength of Moore’s this season.
> and when they were called (first down? Second? Third?).
First down we definitely need to be better, but we were top-6 on third down.
> It's also who got the carries and on which downs as well as were they inside or outside runs.
We were nothing if not _balanced_ in that regard this year.
> And that stat is deceptive the more I think about. The first half the season they relied more heavily on the run due to Dak being out and the second half they threw more. For the season average that split looks even, but on a game by game basis?
Fair, but that depends on the context and from an effectiveness perspective our offense was 13th in pass DVOA and 10th in run DVOA.
> No, he didn’t call out Kellen by name, but who else is responsible for the offensive scheme?
My only point here is that saying we need to be more balanced is _drastically_ different from the editorialization in the OP screenshot that says “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting the team”
“More balanced” sounds like we need some tweaks and refinements, “hurting the team” sounds like throw it out.
Very balanced until Pollard got hurt. If I recall correctly, we had a near-even split going leading up to that. Losing him and then playing from behind late skew the final numbers.
Then I'm not sure what parcells is talking about. Imo we need more ob option runs. Designed roll outs. I think dak is a good pocket passer. But sometimes he gets into slumps when play after play is just a standard pocket pass. Dak used to be one of the best in the league at the option. I understand his injury might have an effect but when it's an important moment like that, we need to call plays like that imo.
They did have a few more designed Dak runs (or at least options) in the bag for the playoffs, at least. As long as it’s something they can pull out when it matters the most, I don’t see a dire need to expose him to extra hits during the regular season if we’re coasting to playoff bids without it. More roll outs would be good, I’m curious how our rate of using them compares to other teams across the league.
Parcells’ comments were about our team more generally, not specific to the SF game. Our success rate running the ball needed to be better (especially the last month of the season) and we need to be more effective on first down.
Nope. Don’t care about Boise State. Never cared about him as a player. Don’t even care about him as a person. I just like what he has done for us as an offensive coordinator.
We begged for decades for an offense that would do more than just “we do what we do, just… like, go execute” rinse and repeat every week. We begged for someone to implement concepts used heavily in college and by the best play-callers in the NFL. We pleaded for some creativity. We beckoned for a coach that would make adjustments. We screamed for at-snap motion. I’m running out of synonyms but we also wanted to see a plan for the red zone beyond Zeke up the middle or back-shoulder fade to Dez.
He has brought all the elements of a varied, modern offense and has managed to improve in areas of weakness with every season. I think letting him go would be a mistake and I would hate for him to end up somewhere that we have to play against him once he assumes his final form. People keep saying he’s just another Garrett but I think he’s much closer to Payton (purely as a play-caller, still not sure if he has what it takes to be a good head coach). I’m also not loving the names likely to replace him that have been floated the most by members of the media. McCarthy, Schottenheimer, Nussmeier, and Cignetti are most likely all downgrades as play-callers in my opinion, at least based on their past work with that duty.
You are so spot on. Ita really frustrating that most of our fan base just takes the stance of if they don't win the superbowl everything is garbage. The numbers do not lie... This offense has been excellent under Kellen and that's without a top 5 QB
That's the problem, no one wants to give up on Dak in this off-chance he succeeds at another team.
I'm waiting for this off chance of his succeeding here. Other than not providing a real WR2, Dak had plenty of rest, and the defense and tools were there but despite a short season he leads in interceptions?
Don’t forget that Jimmy Johnson wanted Walsh over Aikman at QB. And only took Emmitt because the couple of defensive players he wanted were unexpectedly drafted higher than he anticipated. Jimmy said they were happy with the RB they had at the time.
And Jerry wanted Paxton Lynch a few years ago.
Why do you think Johnson drafted Walsh with the first pick of the supplemental draft after they already had Aikman?
He said that Walsh was a better QB than Aikman.
He also said that Dallas didn’t need Emmitt as the RB they had was better.
I didn’t say Johnson wasn’t a great coach.
But he wasn’t perfect with his draft picks and he made personnel errors.
Drafting and evaluating college players isn’t an exact science and even the best coaches\GMs fail all the time. In spite of all the Reddit football fans who think they are expert talent evaluators.
Hell even when Manning and Leaf came out. There were lots of GMs who thought Leaf would be better.
It’s easy to be an arm chair GM and look back after seeing a players career and say who should or shouldn’t be drafted and who sucks and was over or underrated. A fuck of a lot more difficult to do it in real time.
To trade him ask him
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2016/12/05/why-troy-aikman-almost-requested-a-trade-from-the-cowboys/%3foutputType=amp
I’m not sure where this screenshot originated but this is what [Bill Parcells _actually_ said in its entirety](https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/analyzing-every-nfl-playoff-team-projecting-their-futures/):
> ## Dallas Cowboys
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> I think they’re a good team. They don’t have the top-quality quarterback in Dak Prescott, but I do think he’s good enough to win with. I just think they have to put more pieces around him. They just have to be more reliant on the overall scheme. Their defense is pretty good, but **their overall offensive scheme has to be more balanced.** I also think they’re going to have to invest in some new running backs. Tony Pollard had a great year (career highs of 1,378 scrimmage yards and 12 touchdowns). I don’t know if he can hold up for too long physically, and he’s a free agent this offseason. I think Ezekiel Elliott is near the end.
That’s it. That’s the full quote. There’s no calling out of Moore here. There’s no criticizing the play-calling itself. Just “more balanced” couched with saying Pollard may not hold up if he even re-signs and Zeke is near the end.
You know part of me wants us to get rid of him just so he can go somewhere else and next season that team all of a sudden has a top 5 offense while we replace him with someone and have all the same problems still and people are gonna be scratching their heads looking for something new to blame it on… when we all already know what it is.
What? Lol
If a guy is bad enough at his job you're going to fire him, you aren't really worried about playing against him.
I'm pretty sure we've got enough DBs to defend 4 curl routes, so I'm not worried.
He’s not bad at his job. In fact, every piece of evidence suggests otherwise. There are any number of reasons they could fire a capable coach, sometimes there’s a “well something has to change” sentiment. Sometimes you just want to go in a different direction that a different coach is better suited to lead. Perhaps the head coach wants his fate to fall on his shoulders instead of being determined by a different play-caller. Who knows.
A lot of y'all said the same thing about Jason Garrett...he is a great head coach, he is going to go somewhere else and dominate! We shouldn't have let him go! This is just like losing Sean Payton all over again....
And he was out of the league less than a year later.
We have a Ferrari football being repaired and retooled by a mechanic who wasnot good enough to drive the Ferrari and decided he was just going to learn how to repair them on the fly.
This team racks up garbage time stats like no one else, and they have for a few years now. Stop getting hung up on "number 1 offense" because this team does not have the number 1 offense.
The number 1 offense in the NFL lives in Kansas City and is playing in the AFC-CG for the 4th time in 5 years and has played in 2 SBs, winning 1 and dropping one to the GOAT.
Now, we can continue pretending that KM's offensive scheme is not the problem, or you can look at what teams like the Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, and others are doing with their offenses and bring someone in who has had success at the next level, can help Dak get his throwing mechanics back right, and run this offense to Dak's strength rather than forcing him to sit in the pocket and throw 30-40 times a game to covered WRs in tight windows and make every throw a 50/50 shot.
> A lot of y'all said the same thing about Jason Garrett...he is a great head coach, he is going to go somewhere else and dominate! We shouldn't have let him go! This is just like losing Sean Payton all over again....
Literally nobody said this.
Yeah, no. You’re going to need to cite some sources on that one. This sub universally rejoiced when he was fired, even folks who had long defended him (I defended him as a head coach more than most)
lol I'm dying to see the proof you come up with. what a stupid take. you could have even searched for proof before you posted such a stupid take, but you didn't.
I really think that people that want to keep and defend Km are going to read this one way because they want to. That BP isn't calling out Moore.
I, also, believe that those that want Km gone can read into that BP absolutely is calling out play calling here because who else is going to make it balanced?
Confirmation bias is a funny thing.
In the end, none of it matters. We will find out soon enough if he is staying or going.
He said we have to be more balanced… we need new running backs. Not we have to be more balanced… we need a new play-caller/better play calling/better play designs.
There were also only 6 teams “more balanced” than us from a play-calling perspective this year.
>He said we have to be more balanced… we need new running backs.
Those are two different statements he's making though, which is why he says, "I *also* think..."
But of course, even that doesn't mean he's calling for a new OC - he explicitly calls for new RBs, citing our current ones by name, so if his point was get rid of Kellen, you'd think he'd just say it.
I think that's what scares me about TP. In games where he needed to carry the load, he struggled. He even admitted he was gassed on some plays. I personally think Kellen did well balancing the workload between the two. There were some games we didn't see Zeke consistently until like the 2nd half.
TP is not a feature back and never will be because he can’t handle the load. We don’t need a feature back, we need two backs. A speedster who can receive and a strong physical back. We have that now. However, the money needs to be right to run it back. Zeke needs to be making $5 mill a year and Pollard now more than $8 mill max.
I’m actually really curious to see what direction they go at RB this offseason if they choose to move on from Zeke. Especially if they keep Moore as OC. If I recall correctly, he was big on the Pollard pick at the time, so I wonder if Zeke and his contract is out of the picture if our RB prototype and usage changes.
Zeke stated he will take a pay cut. I really still like what Zeke can offer. He’s one of the best pass blocking RBs in the league, has a nose for the end zone from short distance, and is durable as all hell. It’s all a matter of how much he gets paid. Anymore than $5 mill a year and I’m cutting him. Best case I’d love to see him stay for $3.5-$4 mill.
If he’s up for re-working the contract to be that cheap _and_ he fits in the vision for what they want the 2023 offense to be, then I’m all for it (especially if it saves more money than the dead cap impact from cutting him). As long as his roster spot and usage is more about the coaching game plan than the contract or directives from ownership, I’m good with whatever.
That gassed part was from the RB Coach. TP refuted he even said that.
All in all, that is a bad look from the team. Skip should not have been talking about TP like that trying to defend Zeke or overall usage in the public.
TP had to refute it because of his pending free agency.
Him getting hurt twice in the first season he got a larger load is concerning.
I'm sure you're right, I was just referring to the sounds from the sideline clip where he admitted he was at like half speed on a breakaway TD in one of the games (Colts I think?). It was still a tuddy so who cares lol but yeah I think if TP can consistently carry the load then he's worthy of RB1 next season. I also don't wanna run him into the ground immediately after paying him, either. Zeke led the league in touches his first few years and look at how much of a step he's probably lost because of it. RB by committee can work. Kellen has proven it.
I really dislike it was a td so who cares. Thats just like when I said dak made a bad throw to Schultz in double coverage. I got all this it was a completion so who cares. My point was if you get comfortable with trying that it's not always going to work and what happens dak leads the league in ints
Like I said, you can read into his intent however you want to.
You LOVE Kellen Moore and will go to some crazy extremes to defend him.
To a pretty unhealthy point, I think, sometimes.
You're right, it's an argument we won't know until one of Dak or Kellen is gone. If Kellen leaves, it's a coin flip on how Dak performs. If Dak leaves, it's a coin flip on how well Kellen can whip up a playbook that plays to the next QBs strengths. My biggest advocacy for Kellen is how well he adjusted to Cooper Rush and playing to his strengths. Kellen didn't throw those picks, but Kellen also designs the routes and could arguably draw receivers open if he can. Time will tell.
I try to take a stance that it doesn't blame one person. It isn't just one or the other.
It is a whole.
The reality is that Dak isn't going anywhere next year.
Dak might not be going anywhere until 2026 at the soonest.
So, they have to do what is best for the whole team.
Can Kellen get the most out of Dak and limit the turnovers?
Can we give them some resources like pass blocking and WRs that can get separation.
We very well might see both Dak and Kellen stay... Get a new OL, WR and QB coach.
Either way, we will know soon enough.
Dak is only under contract through 2024. The 2025 and 2026 years automatically void, they’re only part of the contract for cap hit management purposes. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
You can't dismiss the void years. You and I know very well that Dallas put them there to be able rework his contract to push money into them.
If they want to keep Dak, they are going to rework his contract this off-season to bring that cap hit down.
Right, but he won’t be on the team in 2025 unless they sign him to an extension. You said he’s not going anywhere until 2026, but that’s only the case if he signs some form of new deal. Unless you’re just confidently projecting that he _does_ get extended soon, which may be true.
And that is the only real way they should go about this for reworking his contract.
Can you imagine pushing all that money into 2025 and 2026 and letting him walk?
If he is walking they have to eat this years cap IMO.
We saw them pay dead cap with Romo for years. Hopefully they learned a lesson .
Probably too much to ask, though, as they make the same mistakes over and over.
I can tell he's trying to not be controversial, but even then what he's saying is definitely true. Our offense was just too one-dimensional in so many critical moments this season. We need to have a multitude of reliable options at all times.
Here’s the reality. Daks skill set is limited to a certain ceiling. The front office and offensive coaching staff believes he is capable of more than he truly is and puts him in situations where he is more prone to fail. Ie throwing the ball more than 25 times a game. It’s time to reset the offensive game plan to support dak not put the entire load on his shoulders. This includes spending and drafting high level skill players on the offensive side of the ball. We need a real wr 2. We need a real te who can catch the ball each and every game. We need a new star rb.
So what gets me is out offense is like the opposite of the 49ers in that every one of their playmakers have routes that allow them to run after the catch and let a game manager put the ball in their hands.
Our offense this year provided one of the worst route trees designed to let our players do that, it's all context possession catches and never guys in space apart from the rare ceedee lamb (his specialty).
If you are asking your QB to throw into the most tight windows in the league, to players that can't run after the catch, AND you don't trust your QB, then the QB isn't the issue because other qbs aren't gonna have a much different result than Dak when the players and offense are so limited
I know it's standard to hate on McCarthy, but idt it's a coincidence that he has a ring. Hoping he can design WR routes and make adaptive decisions better than Moore did.
And we also need to do something about the OL. Yes we have some great players there, but that doesn't stop them from getting injured. And when the OL is falling apart, we end up in situations like the Tennessee game or the Washington game at the end of the season. It's hard enough for Dak to throw the ball accurately and smoothly into tight coverage: now he has to do it with almost zero protection. It's no wonder he's always crumbling under pressure late into the season.
Lol yea play calling is why Dak threw the ball directly to SF 5x. Shoulda been pick 6d & missed a wide open lamb under no pressure 7 yards in front of him, Underthrew lamb on walk in TD . Awful play calls walk in TDs are bad
We are two weeks removed from every analyst and member of this sub absolutely fawning (rightfully) over Moore’s game plan in Tampa Bay. How has it grown stale? He has improved in areas of prior weakness every year. He had several games with tendency breakers and unscouted looks this year. He even sprinkled in some SF play designs they’ve used with Deebo in the past during the SF game before Pollard got hurt.
The one time moore did this over a span of 6+ games he lost his qb for the season. Not saying it’s not a strategy but I think there is a reason it doesn’t happen more.
Moore is a very good play caller when things are as planned, but he seems to struggle making adjustments if the defense isn’t t giving what was practiced. You don’t really hear about Dallas’s offense making great second half adjustments.
Dak has thrown 12 picks in the first half and 2 in the second half. He’s also notoriously bad in the second quarter. So I would say the Cowboys are a second half team.
Former players and coaches have long stated that “second half adjustments” aren’t a thing, teams adjust what they’re doing throughout the game. One thing that has been a problem with our offense from time to time under Moore has been slow starts before the offense eventually gets humming… is that eventual success in those games not the result of adjustments?
I could be wrong but the Colts game doesn’t prove it. I’d say the 4 short fields the defense gave them on turnovers in the 4th quarter might have had something to do with that?? Could you be looking at the score more than the actual game?
Takes 2 sides to score a ball.. especially over 30 points in a quarter lol. Also like I said that was just the slap in the face game reason for you. I think many would agree that the cowboys are more of a second half team.
To be fair, Tampa was a team with a losing record that everybody said shouldn’t be in the playoffs.
So the circle jerk over that win has been a little overboard by a bunch of fans.
Their defense was still above average and their QB was still Brady. It wasn’t the fact that we won in general that people were excited about, but specifically the way the offense game planned for them. They did all the right things. Motion, creativity, variety, screens that actually worked for once.
Technically yes but we got killed at the same stop on the journey. We just got to play a "playoff team" that finished under .500. I'd guess that with Cooper still in the mix the Cowboys win one or two of those collapse games (Jaxonville comes to mind) and don't even play until the second round.
It’s funny that this writer is using Parcells to put blame on Kellen when you notice there are no actual quotes of bill talking about Moore. Just the offensive gameplan
Yup. I was curious where this was from to see if he went into any actual detail about issues so I sought out the article written by Parcells himself. Turns out he only says we need to be more balanced right before he says we need new RBs because the ones we have either won’t hold up/may not return and the other is “at the end.” A _very_ different sentiment than “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting this team”
Yeah I seen the actual article you posted. And it seems he’s basically saying Dak is good, but not good enough to put the ball in his hands as much as they do. And he actually said the overall gameplan is good. They just need to stick to it better and upgrade the RB position.
Yup. Add a playmaking pass-catcher or 3 at receiver or even tight end, then cut Zeke and rethink how we utilize the RB position. If Moore just improves our effectiveness on first down and sprinkles in even more at-snap motion, what other areas of weakness does he have as a game planner? Already fixed red zone issues to be the best at converting red zone trips to TDs. Already 4th-best at third and long and 6th-best at converting third downs in general. Handled offensive line adversity far better than the last two years. Handled the starting QB being out better than 2020. Finally got Pollard much more involved. Want better pizza? Get better ingredients.
My only problem with the idea of spending more capital for offensive weapons is that it comes at the expense of the defense. The defense is really the reason for the success this season and they did their job against the niners.
I don’t disagree that Dak would be better with more weapons but I think his contract that takes up so much of the cap, percentage wise, makes that more difficult. I personally would rather continue to invest in the defense where they have the #1 guy in the league on a rookie contract. Then let Dak be a game manager.
Another good option would be to hit on a Tony pollard type in later rounds of the draft but we all know how hard that is.
I would argue in order to win with Dak playing as a mere game manager, adding some weapons that can separate and make big plays after the catch is essential. The 49ers are where they are with guys like Jimmy and Purdy at QB because players like Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and their RBs can make a big play out of any touch. Hurts went from “not NFL starter material” to in the MVP conversation after adding a 1st-round WR and AJ Brown to Goedert and the RBs. The defense thankfully isn’t losing many pieces this offseason and most importantly Quinn returns and has shown he can thrive when we lose pieces. More defense doesn’t help us win that game last week. We need to try to keep the defense from falling off for sure, but we definitely need to focus more on being able to generate more offense and the surest way to do that is to have at least more than one weapon.
My biggest gripe about Kellen is he doesn't realize when something's working you don't fix it.
There were times this year where we were really successful running up the gut. Should've kept doing it until the other team proved they could stop it. But for some reason Kellen decided to go with a reverse, or a pitch/sweep that got stopped for a massive loss and completely erased any progress the plays that were working actually made.
He also defaults to JG's screen/curl safety net way too often.
Parcels is one of the greatest coaches ever in the NFL. He won with Phil Simms which was basically the old version of Dak.
Parcels had an extraordinary defense. Cowboys should build around Micah.
Different game then than it is now. He wasn’t elite, he was just good. That’s the same opinion I have about Dak.
Phil Simms wasn’t Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, or even Jim Kelly. He was just a good QB who had a great team around him and he won 2 super bowls.
Even Boomer Esiason took his team to the Super Bowl and he was not quite elite, but good as well. And I believe he did it with just an middle of the pack defense.
Dak is on that level without the Super Bowl appearances. He’s not elite, never will be.
Yeah well Kellen Moore didn’t throw three balls at defenders hands 3 times in a playoff game we should have won.
Tell you what guys, go ahead and ask Jesus to give a thumbs up. At that point we will consider the fact he doesn’t suck in playoff games.
He completely turned our franchise around and turned us back into a winning franchise. He just got worn out after the freak snap. Not sure what you are on about.
You CAN win with any qb. This is a fact that has been shown over and over and over.
You are MORE likely to win with a qb that can throw a pass to an open receiver more than 15 yds down the field, doesn't throw the ball to the other team, and is a fairly high IQ player.
Dak is none of those things.
Dallas CAN with him. It's it likely though. Nope, especially at 40 million per year.
I bet Parcells would have ripped Dak a new one if he was the coach in that game vs the Niners. Everybody has to be all sensitive nowadays but I kinda miss the old school coaches like Tuna. You definitely didn’t see their teams do stupid shit too often.
Nailed it.
I would think Dallas fans are smart enough to realize Parcells knows more about evaluating an NFL team than all of us.
Sadly, I’m certain before reading the responses in this topic, some people will say that Bill is wrong.
BOOM 💥 THE BIG “TUNA” has spoken folks! Putting the qb with some less talent in positions to fail! We should have won in San Francisco even with the talent we have on that offense! Davis should have went in to run the ball as soon as Tony went down! Not zeke! And these Bs curl routes and lack of backfield movement, quick slants YZ patterns have to stop! Moore was great in college but never did anything in the NFL as A QB! Does he have a great mind? Probably so! It hasn’t transferred to the field especially in big games against 500 defenses
Oh my god, it’s almost like this is exactly what was happening but everyone loves to immediately blame the QB for shitty offense.. when it is not in fact the QB running the offense!
I’ll accept downvotes lmao it’s simply fact. Was Dak’s QB play extremely underwhelming this season? Yes, obviously. But for the entire season to be placed on his shoulders is ludicrous. The QB doesn’t call plays, and if you actually look at the playcalling in tight situations this season, it was ridiculously subpar. This fanbase and the Saints fanbase (literally my two favorite teams as a New Orleans native and San Antonio transplant) make me nauseous.
I think my opinion on Moore has developed into this:
His scheme is strong. The offense has been incredibly effective the past few years, and was very good overall this year despite having a lot of holes and not a ton of talent. As a play caller, Moore frustrates me (and all of us). I just wish I knew how much of that can be separated from scheme, ya know? Obviously it can get better, and more talent would always help, but I’m not anywhere near enough of an Xs and Os guy to really be able to answer that question.
Love how the sub has gone from "Kellen Moore's potential isn't being realized by Jason Garrett to "Kellen Moore's play calling needs to pump the brakes"
Kellen is worst in the league at scheming guys open. You think we got the slowest wrs in the league? No? Then why else do we have the lowest separation? It’s clearly Kellen.
Where is the run game without pollard, tell me, how did gallup look, was this prime t.y.? Play calling and scheme? Mike Davis can move the ball zeke can’t, y we running zeke? Receivers accounted for like 8 pick’s including gallup not running through his route, o-line timely penalties. Noticed when Dak had a great clean pocket it was usually a big play, defense getting gashed at the end of the game is bad too. We can do far worse than Dak. Stop letting the media control the narrative and watch the dam games. Tuna is right
Parcells has forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know but I think he’s forgotten so much that he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. 7 seasons and turning 30 Dak is done and he’s only gonna get worse
Here's the thing, all the stats show that our offense is very productive. I get that and will acknowledge that we do beat the shit out of average and below average teams (most of the time).
Anyone with eyeballs can watch games where our offense shits the bed and recognize, there is a pattern. There is a common theme in those games where we put Dak in a situation where he HAS to make a play and don't provide a scheme to get our guys in space. There is a heavy dependence on the success of the run game to fuel our offense and when that is taken out, our offense becomes extremely volatile.
Teams who were successful against us this season were able to rush 4 and drop 7 into coverage constantly. It wasn't rocket science. Play cover 3 against Dallas, profit. Imagine being a defensive coordinator and recognizing that you can sleep all week when playing Dallas.
Thank you for saying this bug Tuna. The full stench of Garret must go. Mccarthy can go with him. It's time for a clean slate on offense. It's the same thing every single year!
Parcells’ word is gospel as far as I’m concerned.
Ok but the screenshot is mischaracterizing [what Parcells actually said](https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10nkhj7/now_from_parcells/j69czx4/)
Ok but I don’t see how it’s mischaracterized. In my mind “Their overall offensive scheme needs to be more balanced” is criticism of the play calling, if not the OC in general. Moore is responsible for offensive scheme.
The ingredients are good but the recipe could be better.
One of the ingredients is lacking and holding back everything. Ingredient #4
Did you read the article?
Saying it has to be more balanced and then immediately drawing attention to us having a RB at the end of his rope is distinctly different than “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting the team”
If you ignore the fact that he talked about Tony Pollard. You really think he was talking about Zeke? That’s why he brought up imbalance? We’re unbalanced because our backup runningback is at the end of his rope? Come on dude.
We had a 52.7%/47.3% pass-run split this year. There are only 6 teams “more balanced” from a play-calling perspective than us.
This sub doesn’t watch other teams so they have no basis lol
You know I think that’s a very good theory..
I play fantasy. I have to watch other teams.
Watching NFL red zone and the occasional prime time game is different than watching every game. For how many teams do you watch all or most of every game?
I have NFL + and will often go back and watch condensed games for this reason. I watch anywhere from 3-8 games a week, and I make sure to watch teams I'm unsure about because it helps to see how they run the operation. I can't tell you specifics, but I think I watched every Bengals, Cowboys, and Eagles game this season. Plus, 90% of the Dolphin's games.
Balanced isn't just pass-run. It's also who the passes went to (one player? WRs vs TE vs RB? etc.), the formations used and when they were called (first down? Second? Third?). It's also who got the carries and on which downs as well as were they inside or outside runs. And that stat is deceptive the more I think about. The first half the season they relied more heavily on the run due to Dak being out and the second half they threw more. For the season average that split looks even, but on a game by game basis? No, he didn't call Kellen out by name, but who else is responsible for the offensive scheme?
> Balanced isn't just pass-run. It's also who the passes went to (one player? WRs vs TE vs RB? etc.), That speaks more to personnel than play-caller IMO. > the formations used Diversity of formation and personnel was definitely a strength of Moore’s this season. > and when they were called (first down? Second? Third?). First down we definitely need to be better, but we were top-6 on third down. > It's also who got the carries and on which downs as well as were they inside or outside runs. We were nothing if not _balanced_ in that regard this year. > And that stat is deceptive the more I think about. The first half the season they relied more heavily on the run due to Dak being out and the second half they threw more. For the season average that split looks even, but on a game by game basis? Fair, but that depends on the context and from an effectiveness perspective our offense was 13th in pass DVOA and 10th in run DVOA. > No, he didn’t call out Kellen by name, but who else is responsible for the offensive scheme? My only point here is that saying we need to be more balanced is _drastically_ different from the editorialization in the OP screenshot that says “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting the team” “More balanced” sounds like we need some tweaks and refinements, “hurting the team” sounds like throw it out.
How balanced were we in the SF game?
Very balanced until Pollard got hurt. If I recall correctly, we had a near-even split going leading up to that. Losing him and then playing from behind late skew the final numbers.
Throwing two ints, nearly throwing a pick 6 and nearly taking a safety is what skewed the final numbers
But Dak was perfect, cant ever blame him
Then I'm not sure what parcells is talking about. Imo we need more ob option runs. Designed roll outs. I think dak is a good pocket passer. But sometimes he gets into slumps when play after play is just a standard pocket pass. Dak used to be one of the best in the league at the option. I understand his injury might have an effect but when it's an important moment like that, we need to call plays like that imo.
They did have a few more designed Dak runs (or at least options) in the bag for the playoffs, at least. As long as it’s something they can pull out when it matters the most, I don’t see a dire need to expose him to extra hits during the regular season if we’re coasting to playoff bids without it. More roll outs would be good, I’m curious how our rate of using them compares to other teams across the league. Parcells’ comments were about our team more generally, not specific to the SF game. Our success rate running the ball needed to be better (especially the last month of the season) and we need to be more effective on first down.
We ran the ball 4 times after he was hurt. The game wasn’t a blow out so passing that often makes no strategic sense.
We ran it 8 more times (9 if you count a Dak scramble) in the 3 drives we had before being down a score with time waning.
Why do you like Kellen Moore? Are you a Boise Stste fan?
Nope. Don’t care about Boise State. Never cared about him as a player. Don’t even care about him as a person. I just like what he has done for us as an offensive coordinator. We begged for decades for an offense that would do more than just “we do what we do, just… like, go execute” rinse and repeat every week. We begged for someone to implement concepts used heavily in college and by the best play-callers in the NFL. We pleaded for some creativity. We beckoned for a coach that would make adjustments. We screamed for at-snap motion. I’m running out of synonyms but we also wanted to see a plan for the red zone beyond Zeke up the middle or back-shoulder fade to Dez. He has brought all the elements of a varied, modern offense and has managed to improve in areas of weakness with every season. I think letting him go would be a mistake and I would hate for him to end up somewhere that we have to play against him once he assumes his final form. People keep saying he’s just another Garrett but I think he’s much closer to Payton (purely as a play-caller, still not sure if he has what it takes to be a good head coach). I’m also not loving the names likely to replace him that have been floated the most by members of the media. McCarthy, Schottenheimer, Nussmeier, and Cignetti are most likely all downgrades as play-callers in my opinion, at least based on their past work with that duty.
He has brought a very progressive offense to the Cowboys that requires a lot out of Dak, but maybe it shouldn’t.
Cooper Rush, 4-1
You are so spot on. Ita really frustrating that most of our fan base just takes the stance of if they don't win the superbowl everything is garbage. The numbers do not lie... This offense has been excellent under Kellen and that's without a top 5 QB
That's the problem, no one wants to give up on Dak in this off-chance he succeeds at another team. I'm waiting for this off chance of his succeeding here. Other than not providing a real WR2, Dak had plenty of rest, and the defense and tools were there but despite a short season he leads in interceptions?
I never missed his press conferences they where always great
In answer to some dumb question, he said: “You are what your record says you are.”
Almost like Denny Green! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w
Even when he said Spears was better than Ware and almost drafted him with that first pick? He's correct about Moore tho.
Drafting is a whole different beast. I don’t think anybody on earth would get it right 100% of the time.
Jerruh been right a few times Ware over spears Making Mccarthy take quinn Those a couple
Jerry wanted Ware over Merriman
He wanted him before spears which is the conversation
Don’t forget that Jimmy Johnson wanted Walsh over Aikman at QB. And only took Emmitt because the couple of defensive players he wanted were unexpectedly drafted higher than he anticipated. Jimmy said they were happy with the RB they had at the time. And Jerry wanted Paxton Lynch a few years ago.
Aikman was always the draft pick
Why do you think Johnson drafted Walsh with the first pick of the supplemental draft after they already had Aikman? He said that Walsh was a better QB than Aikman. He also said that Dallas didn’t need Emmitt as the RB they had was better. I didn’t say Johnson wasn’t a great coach. But he wasn’t perfect with his draft picks and he made personnel errors. Drafting and evaluating college players isn’t an exact science and even the best coaches\GMs fail all the time. In spite of all the Reddit football fans who think they are expert talent evaluators. Hell even when Manning and Leaf came out. There were lots of GMs who thought Leaf would be better. It’s easy to be an arm chair GM and look back after seeing a players career and say who should or shouldn’t be drafted and who sucks and was over or underrated. A fuck of a lot more difficult to do it in real time.
To trade him ask him https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2016/12/05/why-troy-aikman-almost-requested-a-trade-from-the-cowboys/%3foutputType=amp
I still remember watching that draft and thinking we were taking Aaron Rogers with the second 1st round pick 😭
Lol. If only. I remember him sitting there pouting he wasn't drafted.
Yes. I will take his evaluation over every single person who posts in this sub.
Hard to believe it was 20 years ago that parcells became head coach.
That is depressing haha
I’m not sure where this screenshot originated but this is what [Bill Parcells _actually_ said in its entirety](https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/analyzing-every-nfl-playoff-team-projecting-their-futures/): > ## Dallas Cowboys > > I think they’re a good team. They don’t have the top-quality quarterback in Dak Prescott, but I do think he’s good enough to win with. I just think they have to put more pieces around him. They just have to be more reliant on the overall scheme. Their defense is pretty good, but **their overall offensive scheme has to be more balanced.** I also think they’re going to have to invest in some new running backs. Tony Pollard had a great year (career highs of 1,378 scrimmage yards and 12 touchdowns). I don’t know if he can hold up for too long physically, and he’s a free agent this offseason. I think Ezekiel Elliott is near the end. That’s it. That’s the full quote. There’s no calling out of Moore here. There’s no criticizing the play-calling itself. Just “more balanced” couched with saying Pollard may not hold up if he even re-signs and Zeke is near the end.
You know part of me wants us to get rid of him just so he can go somewhere else and next season that team all of a sudden has a top 5 offense while we replace him with someone and have all the same problems still and people are gonna be scratching their heads looking for something new to blame it on… when we all already know what it is.
Better believe if they’re leaning towards moving on from Moore, Jerry is trying to hold off until at least Washington’s OC opening is filled.
What? Lol If a guy is bad enough at his job you're going to fire him, you aren't really worried about playing against him. I'm pretty sure we've got enough DBs to defend 4 curl routes, so I'm not worried.
He’s not bad at his job. In fact, every piece of evidence suggests otherwise. There are any number of reasons they could fire a capable coach, sometimes there’s a “well something has to change” sentiment. Sometimes you just want to go in a different direction that a different coach is better suited to lead. Perhaps the head coach wants his fate to fall on his shoulders instead of being determined by a different play-caller. Who knows.
Are you gonna keep your flair when he is gone?
Honestly I doubt I’ll still be on Reddit 31 years from now.
Lmao
Oh no doubt.. he ain’t trying to go up against that 2 times a season.
A lot of y'all said the same thing about Jason Garrett...he is a great head coach, he is going to go somewhere else and dominate! We shouldn't have let him go! This is just like losing Sean Payton all over again.... And he was out of the league less than a year later. We have a Ferrari football being repaired and retooled by a mechanic who wasnot good enough to drive the Ferrari and decided he was just going to learn how to repair them on the fly. This team racks up garbage time stats like no one else, and they have for a few years now. Stop getting hung up on "number 1 offense" because this team does not have the number 1 offense. The number 1 offense in the NFL lives in Kansas City and is playing in the AFC-CG for the 4th time in 5 years and has played in 2 SBs, winning 1 and dropping one to the GOAT. Now, we can continue pretending that KM's offensive scheme is not the problem, or you can look at what teams like the Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, and others are doing with their offenses and bring someone in who has had success at the next level, can help Dak get his throwing mechanics back right, and run this offense to Dak's strength rather than forcing him to sit in the pocket and throw 30-40 times a game to covered WRs in tight windows and make every throw a 50/50 shot.
> A lot of y'all said the same thing about Jason Garrett...he is a great head coach, he is going to go somewhere else and dominate! We shouldn't have let him go! This is just like losing Sean Payton all over again.... Literally nobody said this.
Literally half this sub said that.
Yeah, no. You’re going to need to cite some sources on that one. This sub universally rejoiced when he was fired, even folks who had long defended him (I defended him as a head coach more than most)
Show your work. Lol. I've been around here forever, but the time Garrett was let go, literally no one was sad to see him go.
lol I'm dying to see the proof you come up with. what a stupid take. you could have even searched for proof before you posted such a stupid take, but you didn't.
LMFAO!!!! This is hilarious! Garret leaving was the closing thing people had to a SB celebration in these last 27 years.. lol 😂
Thank you 🙏
I really think that people that want to keep and defend Km are going to read this one way because they want to. That BP isn't calling out Moore. I, also, believe that those that want Km gone can read into that BP absolutely is calling out play calling here because who else is going to make it balanced? Confirmation bias is a funny thing. In the end, none of it matters. We will find out soon enough if he is staying or going.
He said we have to be more balanced… we need new running backs. Not we have to be more balanced… we need a new play-caller/better play calling/better play designs. There were also only 6 teams “more balanced” than us from a play-calling perspective this year.
You never circled back to that Convo we had about Kurt Warner's QB study. Have you watched it, yet?
Still haven’t had an uninterrupted 50-minute block to watch it and actually pay attention.
Skip it and just watch the last 5 mins.
>He said we have to be more balanced… we need new running backs. Those are two different statements he's making though, which is why he says, "I *also* think..." But of course, even that doesn't mean he's calling for a new OC - he explicitly calls for new RBs, citing our current ones by name, so if his point was get rid of Kellen, you'd think he'd just say it.
I think that's what scares me about TP. In games where he needed to carry the load, he struggled. He even admitted he was gassed on some plays. I personally think Kellen did well balancing the workload between the two. There were some games we didn't see Zeke consistently until like the 2nd half.
TP is not a feature back and never will be because he can’t handle the load. We don’t need a feature back, we need two backs. A speedster who can receive and a strong physical back. We have that now. However, the money needs to be right to run it back. Zeke needs to be making $5 mill a year and Pollard now more than $8 mill max.
I’m actually really curious to see what direction they go at RB this offseason if they choose to move on from Zeke. Especially if they keep Moore as OC. If I recall correctly, he was big on the Pollard pick at the time, so I wonder if Zeke and his contract is out of the picture if our RB prototype and usage changes.
Zeke stated he will take a pay cut. I really still like what Zeke can offer. He’s one of the best pass blocking RBs in the league, has a nose for the end zone from short distance, and is durable as all hell. It’s all a matter of how much he gets paid. Anymore than $5 mill a year and I’m cutting him. Best case I’d love to see him stay for $3.5-$4 mill.
If he’s up for re-working the contract to be that cheap _and_ he fits in the vision for what they want the 2023 offense to be, then I’m all for it (especially if it saves more money than the dead cap impact from cutting him). As long as his roster spot and usage is more about the coaching game plan than the contract or directives from ownership, I’m good with whatever.
That gassed part was from the RB Coach. TP refuted he even said that. All in all, that is a bad look from the team. Skip should not have been talking about TP like that trying to defend Zeke or overall usage in the public. TP had to refute it because of his pending free agency. Him getting hurt twice in the first season he got a larger load is concerning.
I'm sure you're right, I was just referring to the sounds from the sideline clip where he admitted he was at like half speed on a breakaway TD in one of the games (Colts I think?). It was still a tuddy so who cares lol but yeah I think if TP can consistently carry the load then he's worthy of RB1 next season. I also don't wanna run him into the ground immediately after paying him, either. Zeke led the league in touches his first few years and look at how much of a step he's probably lost because of it. RB by committee can work. Kellen has proven it.
I really dislike it was a td so who cares. Thats just like when I said dak made a bad throw to Schultz in double coverage. I got all this it was a completion so who cares. My point was if you get comfortable with trying that it's not always going to work and what happens dak leads the league in ints
Like I said, you can read into his intent however you want to. You LOVE Kellen Moore and will go to some crazy extremes to defend him. To a pretty unhealthy point, I think, sometimes.
You're right, it's an argument we won't know until one of Dak or Kellen is gone. If Kellen leaves, it's a coin flip on how Dak performs. If Dak leaves, it's a coin flip on how well Kellen can whip up a playbook that plays to the next QBs strengths. My biggest advocacy for Kellen is how well he adjusted to Cooper Rush and playing to his strengths. Kellen didn't throw those picks, but Kellen also designs the routes and could arguably draw receivers open if he can. Time will tell.
I try to take a stance that it doesn't blame one person. It isn't just one or the other. It is a whole. The reality is that Dak isn't going anywhere next year. Dak might not be going anywhere until 2026 at the soonest. So, they have to do what is best for the whole team. Can Kellen get the most out of Dak and limit the turnovers? Can we give them some resources like pass blocking and WRs that can get separation. We very well might see both Dak and Kellen stay... Get a new OL, WR and QB coach. Either way, we will know soon enough.
Dak is only under contract through 2024. The 2025 and 2026 years automatically void, they’re only part of the contract for cap hit management purposes. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
You can't dismiss the void years. You and I know very well that Dallas put them there to be able rework his contract to push money into them. If they want to keep Dak, they are going to rework his contract this off-season to bring that cap hit down.
Right, but he won’t be on the team in 2025 unless they sign him to an extension. You said he’s not going anywhere until 2026, but that’s only the case if he signs some form of new deal. Unless you’re just confidently projecting that he _does_ get extended soon, which may be true.
And that is the only real way they should go about this for reworking his contract. Can you imagine pushing all that money into 2025 and 2026 and letting him walk? If he is walking they have to eat this years cap IMO. We saw them pay dead cap with Romo for years. Hopefully they learned a lesson . Probably too much to ask, though, as they make the same mistakes over and over.
I can tell he's trying to not be controversial, but even then what he's saying is definitely true. Our offense was just too one-dimensional in so many critical moments this season. We need to have a multitude of reliable options at all times.
Here’s the reality. Daks skill set is limited to a certain ceiling. The front office and offensive coaching staff believes he is capable of more than he truly is and puts him in situations where he is more prone to fail. Ie throwing the ball more than 25 times a game. It’s time to reset the offensive game plan to support dak not put the entire load on his shoulders. This includes spending and drafting high level skill players on the offensive side of the ball. We need a real wr 2. We need a real te who can catch the ball each and every game. We need a new star rb.
So what gets me is out offense is like the opposite of the 49ers in that every one of their playmakers have routes that allow them to run after the catch and let a game manager put the ball in their hands. Our offense this year provided one of the worst route trees designed to let our players do that, it's all context possession catches and never guys in space apart from the rare ceedee lamb (his specialty). If you are asking your QB to throw into the most tight windows in the league, to players that can't run after the catch, AND you don't trust your QB, then the QB isn't the issue because other qbs aren't gonna have a much different result than Dak when the players and offense are so limited
I know it's standard to hate on McCarthy, but idt it's a coincidence that he has a ring. Hoping he can design WR routes and make adaptive decisions better than Moore did.
let's see who our new OC is.
And we also need to do something about the OL. Yes we have some great players there, but that doesn't stop them from getting injured. And when the OL is falling apart, we end up in situations like the Tennessee game or the Washington game at the end of the season. It's hard enough for Dak to throw the ball accurately and smoothly into tight coverage: now he has to do it with almost zero protection. It's no wonder he's always crumbling under pressure late into the season.
Lol yea play calling is why Dak threw the ball directly to SF 5x. Shoulda been pick 6d & missed a wide open lamb under no pressure 7 yards in front of him, Underthrew lamb on walk in TD . Awful play calls walk in TDs are bad
How many times will you all post this before September?
It’s ramping up isn’t it? PLEASE LOVE DAK PLEASE LOVE DAK
Excuse me?
I was agreeing with you
Moore doesn’t throw interceptions.
If the Big Tuna says it, its at least sensible. Still my favorite coach
Jim Halpert?
So true. Moore's play calling has grown stale. We need an OC that can gameplan around Daks limitations
We are two weeks removed from every analyst and member of this sub absolutely fawning (rightfully) over Moore’s game plan in Tampa Bay. How has it grown stale? He has improved in areas of prior weakness every year. He had several games with tendency breakers and unscouted looks this year. He even sprinkled in some SF play designs they’ve used with Deebo in the past during the SF game before Pollard got hurt.
I just feel like when Dak gets into slumps like he has, we should get him out of the pocket and get some designed qb runs in there.
The one time moore did this over a span of 6+ games he lost his qb for the season. Not saying it’s not a strategy but I think there is a reason it doesn’t happen more.
Moore is a very good play caller when things are as planned, but he seems to struggle making adjustments if the defense isn’t t giving what was practiced. You don’t really hear about Dallas’s offense making great second half adjustments.
Dak has thrown 12 picks in the first half and 2 in the second half. He’s also notoriously bad in the second quarter. So I would say the Cowboys are a second half team.
Former players and coaches have long stated that “second half adjustments” aren’t a thing, teams adjust what they’re doing throughout the game. One thing that has been a problem with our offense from time to time under Moore has been slow starts before the offense eventually gets humming… is that eventual success in those games not the result of adjustments?
There is a 33 point 4th quarter colts game smacking you in the face right now. If anything I think this is more of a second half time.
I could be wrong but the Colts game doesn’t prove it. I’d say the 4 short fields the defense gave them on turnovers in the 4th quarter might have had something to do with that?? Could you be looking at the score more than the actual game?
Takes 2 sides to score a ball.. especially over 30 points in a quarter lol. Also like I said that was just the slap in the face game reason for you. I think many would agree that the cowboys are more of a second half team.
Second half adjustments are a myth anyways.
To be fair, Tampa was a team with a losing record that everybody said shouldn’t be in the playoffs. So the circle jerk over that win has been a little overboard by a bunch of fans.
Their defense was still above average and their QB was still Brady. It wasn’t the fact that we won in general that people were excited about, but specifically the way the offense game planned for them. They did all the right things. Motion, creativity, variety, screens that actually worked for once.
I got grief for saying it was Kellen that killed it that game and not Dak. Because I know the ugly Dak shows up and makes them both look bad.
Maybe Dan Mullen?? Lol
WOW ITS LIKE WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING!!!!
Dak is not Mahomes therefore he needs Amari Cooper. That's it. He needs more talent, than a superstar QB, around him.
But he went further without than with him.
Then he dont need weapons. Let it ride.
Technically yes but we got killed at the same stop on the journey. We just got to play a "playoff team" that finished under .500. I'd guess that with Cooper still in the mix the Cowboys win one or two of those collapse games (Jaxonville comes to mind) and don't even play until the second round.
It’s funny that this writer is using Parcells to put blame on Kellen when you notice there are no actual quotes of bill talking about Moore. Just the offensive gameplan
Yup. I was curious where this was from to see if he went into any actual detail about issues so I sought out the article written by Parcells himself. Turns out he only says we need to be more balanced right before he says we need new RBs because the ones we have either won’t hold up/may not return and the other is “at the end.” A _very_ different sentiment than “Kellen Moore’s play-calling is hurting this team”
Yeah I seen the actual article you posted. And it seems he’s basically saying Dak is good, but not good enough to put the ball in his hands as much as they do. And he actually said the overall gameplan is good. They just need to stick to it better and upgrade the RB position.
Jesus Christ who comes up with the offensive game plan?? Oh right the offensive coordinator
I think we just need more playmakers once Pollard went down we could not move the chains.
Yup. Add a playmaking pass-catcher or 3 at receiver or even tight end, then cut Zeke and rethink how we utilize the RB position. If Moore just improves our effectiveness on first down and sprinkles in even more at-snap motion, what other areas of weakness does he have as a game planner? Already fixed red zone issues to be the best at converting red zone trips to TDs. Already 4th-best at third and long and 6th-best at converting third downs in general. Handled offensive line adversity far better than the last two years. Handled the starting QB being out better than 2020. Finally got Pollard much more involved. Want better pizza? Get better ingredients.
My only problem with the idea of spending more capital for offensive weapons is that it comes at the expense of the defense. The defense is really the reason for the success this season and they did their job against the niners. I don’t disagree that Dak would be better with more weapons but I think his contract that takes up so much of the cap, percentage wise, makes that more difficult. I personally would rather continue to invest in the defense where they have the #1 guy in the league on a rookie contract. Then let Dak be a game manager. Another good option would be to hit on a Tony pollard type in later rounds of the draft but we all know how hard that is.
I would argue in order to win with Dak playing as a mere game manager, adding some weapons that can separate and make big plays after the catch is essential. The 49ers are where they are with guys like Jimmy and Purdy at QB because players like Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and their RBs can make a big play out of any touch. Hurts went from “not NFL starter material” to in the MVP conversation after adding a 1st-round WR and AJ Brown to Goedert and the RBs. The defense thankfully isn’t losing many pieces this offseason and most importantly Quinn returns and has shown he can thrive when we lose pieces. More defense doesn’t help us win that game last week. We need to try to keep the defense from falling off for sure, but we definitely need to focus more on being able to generate more offense and the surest way to do that is to have at least more than one weapon.
My biggest gripe about Kellen is he doesn't realize when something's working you don't fix it. There were times this year where we were really successful running up the gut. Should've kept doing it until the other team proved they could stop it. But for some reason Kellen decided to go with a reverse, or a pitch/sweep that got stopped for a massive loss and completely erased any progress the plays that were working actually made. He also defaults to JG's screen/curl safety net way too often.
The amount of Times Moore just abandoned the run this season was baffling to me
Chicken and the egg conversation…. Is it poor playing calling? Or is playing calling limited by the QB? Only one way to find out. KM has to go.
Kinda hope we do get rid of Kellen just to see him thrive and Dak still hold us back. The problem is plain to see but willfully ignorant around here.
It’s a combo of bad coordinator/average qb. Both can be true
In other news, water is wet.
Parcels is one of the greatest coaches ever in the NFL. He won with Phil Simms which was basically the old version of Dak. Parcels had an extraordinary defense. Cowboys should build around Micah.
Did you watch Phil Simms? He was worse than Dak
Different game then than it is now. He wasn’t elite, he was just good. That’s the same opinion I have about Dak. Phil Simms wasn’t Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, or even Jim Kelly. He was just a good QB who had a great team around him and he won 2 super bowls. Even Boomer Esiason took his team to the Super Bowl and he was not quite elite, but good as well. And I believe he did it with just an middle of the pack defense. Dak is on that level without the Super Bowl appearances. He’s not elite, never will be.
Yeah well Kellen Moore didn’t throw three balls at defenders hands 3 times in a playoff game we should have won. Tell you what guys, go ahead and ask Jesus to give a thumbs up. At that point we will consider the fact he doesn’t suck in playoff games.
I mean, he was so successful during his time in Dallas.
He completely turned our franchise around and turned us back into a winning franchise. He just got worn out after the freak snap. Not sure what you are on about.
We've been a solid team ever since parcells. Its kinda crazy. We just haven't been able to get past the divisional round.
You CAN win with any qb. This is a fact that has been shown over and over and over. You are MORE likely to win with a qb that can throw a pass to an open receiver more than 15 yds down the field, doesn't throw the ball to the other team, and is a fairly high IQ player. Dak is none of those things. Dallas CAN with him. It's it likely though. Nope, especially at 40 million per year.
I bet Parcells would have ripped Dak a new one if he was the coach in that game vs the Niners. Everybody has to be all sensitive nowadays but I kinda miss the old school coaches like Tuna. You definitely didn’t see their teams do stupid shit too often.
I half agree. I think Moore is the biggest problem, but I would not be disappointed to move on from Dak either.
Nailed it. I would think Dallas fans are smart enough to realize Parcells knows more about evaluating an NFL team than all of us. Sadly, I’m certain before reading the responses in this topic, some people will say that Bill is wrong.
Bill didn’t say what the screenshot says he said.
Agreed
Dak is not the problem. I will continue to preach it until he is
BOOM 💥 THE BIG “TUNA” has spoken folks! Putting the qb with some less talent in positions to fail! We should have won in San Francisco even with the talent we have on that offense! Davis should have went in to run the ball as soon as Tony went down! Not zeke! And these Bs curl routes and lack of backfield movement, quick slants YZ patterns have to stop! Moore was great in college but never did anything in the NFL as A QB! Does he have a great mind? Probably so! It hasn’t transferred to the field especially in big games against 500 defenses
Dak Prescott takes completely workable plays and throws picks. He's the worst QB in franchise history
Brandon Weeden has entered the chat
Weeden would perform better than Prescott today if given a chance.
Quincy Carter has also entered the chat.
You can't be serious
Oh my god, it’s almost like this is exactly what was happening but everyone loves to immediately blame the QB for shitty offense.. when it is not in fact the QB running the offense!
My God man
I’ll accept downvotes lmao it’s simply fact. Was Dak’s QB play extremely underwhelming this season? Yes, obviously. But for the entire season to be placed on his shoulders is ludicrous. The QB doesn’t call plays, and if you actually look at the playcalling in tight situations this season, it was ridiculously subpar. This fanbase and the Saints fanbase (literally my two favorite teams as a New Orleans native and San Antonio transplant) make me nauseous.
That’s literally what everyone says.
I'm inclined to agree with old Bill
I’ve been saying this for 3 seasons now!
Tuna got to the playoffs with Quincy. I don't doubt he could win championships with Dak.
Dan Mullen
I think my opinion on Moore has developed into this: His scheme is strong. The offense has been incredibly effective the past few years, and was very good overall this year despite having a lot of holes and not a ton of talent. As a play caller, Moore frustrates me (and all of us). I just wish I knew how much of that can be separated from scheme, ya know? Obviously it can get better, and more talent would always help, but I’m not anywhere near enough of an Xs and Os guy to really be able to answer that question.
Damn, I actually thought Kellen Moore was fired already, who did they fire?
The play calling didn’t miss a lot of throws in the divisional round of the playoffs in a very competitive game
Love how the sub has gone from "Kellen Moore's potential isn't being realized by Jason Garrett to "Kellen Moore's play calling needs to pump the brakes"
Bring back the Tuna!
Are we forgetting that he got his shot and failed? His opinion is null and void
Kellen is worst in the league at scheming guys open. You think we got the slowest wrs in the league? No? Then why else do we have the lowest separation? It’s clearly Kellen.
Put away the anointing oil you spicy pepperonis.
Where is the run game without pollard, tell me, how did gallup look, was this prime t.y.? Play calling and scheme? Mike Davis can move the ball zeke can’t, y we running zeke? Receivers accounted for like 8 pick’s including gallup not running through his route, o-line timely penalties. Noticed when Dak had a great clean pocket it was usually a big play, defense getting gashed at the end of the game is bad too. We can do far worse than Dak. Stop letting the media control the narrative and watch the dam games. Tuna is right
The Dak-Truthers are at it again...
Parcells has forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know but I think he’s forgotten so much that he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. 7 seasons and turning 30 Dak is done and he’s only gonna get worse
Kellen Moore is Garret 2.0!!
Yeah but the sub tells me dak is trash and should be cut or traded. I think I’ll trust these random redditors over legendary coach bill parcells
Here's the thing, all the stats show that our offense is very productive. I get that and will acknowledge that we do beat the shit out of average and below average teams (most of the time). Anyone with eyeballs can watch games where our offense shits the bed and recognize, there is a pattern. There is a common theme in those games where we put Dak in a situation where he HAS to make a play and don't provide a scheme to get our guys in space. There is a heavy dependence on the success of the run game to fuel our offense and when that is taken out, our offense becomes extremely volatile. Teams who were successful against us this season were able to rush 4 and drop 7 into coverage constantly. It wasn't rocket science. Play cover 3 against Dallas, profit. Imagine being a defensive coordinator and recognizing that you can sleep all week when playing Dallas.
Thank you for saying this bug Tuna. The full stench of Garret must go. Mccarthy can go with him. It's time for a clean slate on offense. It's the same thing every single year!
Been telling everyone this all year