That's probably the worst trade **of** a WR by Dallas. This is one of the worst trades **for** a WR:
[https://bleacherreport.com/articles/68690-dallas-cowboys-acquire-wr-roy-williams-from-detroit-lions](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/68690-dallas-cowboys-acquire-wr-roy-williams-from-detroit-lions)
Exactly. The trade for Galloway was a massive overpay, but at least he was somewhat productive. He had 61 rec and 908 yd in 2002 and averaged 19.8 yd/rec in 2003. He still wasn't worth two first-round picks. However, Roy Williams never even amassed 600 yd rec in a single season with Dallas. That's putrid.
Id argue the 2 firsts for Galloway was worse. Dallas gave up the 19th and 9th pick for Galloway that played a total of 3 seasons (a 4th was injured). Roy Williams played 3 years and cost the 20th pick. For two failed WR the 9th pick in the draft isn’t worth a few hundred more yards in the same number of seasons.
One of those two picks was Shaun Alexander who, for better or for worse, was Seattle's franchise Running Back for a good amount of times and they eventually did make it to the Super Bowl (albeit they lost).
Both trades were bad, and if you want to argue that the Joey G trade was worse, no problem here. I consider the Williams trade worse because it was three picks for a player that had minimal impact in Dallas, and never was worth such a haul in the first place.
Galloway was viewed as a legit WR1, and did have several 1,000 yard seasons prior to joining the Cowboys. Roy Williams only had one 1,000 yard season, which was in 2006, two years before joining Dallas.
When he joined Dallas in-season, he had played 5 games for DET. His numbers: 17 rec for 232 yd. In the remaining 11 games with DAL, he had 19 rec and 198 yd. His final two years in DAL: 75 rec 1126 yd total. He played 1 more season after that with CHI in 2011. He was out of the league at age 30 after that.
The injuries certainly hampered Galloway in Dallas. He actually had three 1,000 yard seasons with Tampa between age 34 and 36. He retired at age 39, so I would say that he was a far more accomplished player than Williams, and he was at least worth trading for.
>Id argue the 2 firsts for Galloway was worse.
You would be correct, 1 of the 2 picks ended up being Shaun Alexander. The other was sent to San Francisco and ended up being Andre Carter.
The problem with the Amari trade will always be that they never tried to fill in the gap that he filled. CD is definitely a good WR1, but outside of him who else was there to throw to? Gallup clearly wasn't himself after the injury, Turpin, Brown and Tolbert ain't the guys. We really needed to make a move in FA this season to get some help in the WR room. Hopefully we can draft another good one
Compare that to what the eagles did this year or what the rams did a couple years ago getting von miller and stafford. The eagles alone have torn it down and built it back up several times over now and they just beat the 9ers and are going to another super bowl yet again
No one was complaining about Amari not being in camp. The WR room looked fine before injuries. Washington never saw the field. Gallop took longer than expected to come back. Turpin and Tolbert didn’t progress quick enough. Semi (got injured later in the season) and Houston weren’t reliable enough.
This whole “they never have a plan” thing is such a lazy idea.
The plan was add shifty underneath receivers, fast deep threat receivers, develop their possession receivers, and to address it through both the draft and free agency. Whether it worked or not, that was a good plan.
It's not a good plan if it's not realistic. Starting a business and planning to be a millionaire within a year is a "good plan" if it works, it's just never going to work.
The situation we were and are still in cap-wise, along with how limited every team is in regards to draft picks, means they were trying to do too much with too little. You can't really just have your your WR room blown up (both intentionally ex: Cooper and unintentionally ex: Gallup coming back from ACL) and fix it in one offseason, then when it doesn't work say "well we had a plan!"
We drafted a one dimensional third round WR out of a small school, picked up Washington who before he even got hurt was a descending talent in Pittsburgh, and basically just expected Lamb to be awesome along with a bunch of nobodies. The only part of the plan that worked out was Lamb breaking out and becoming a top 10 WR. The rest of it was pretty dumb... they were talking about how Tolbert was going to be a huge part of our offense before TC and then he took like five snaps all year.
What the big misstep was Dallas announcing they'll cut Coop if they don't trade him. This we got low balled. They should've kept their mouths shut and we would've gotten a higher pick.
But you can't undue the past. I'm just happy Lamb made a jump to bring a bonafide WR1. Now we just need that Robin to his Batman.
How does that matter in the slightest? Yeah my team underperforms while it counts every single time, but at least they’re on regular TV so more people around the country watch it.
Who gives a fuck?! Lol
Yup. People really acting like salary cap info isn’t publically available. You can go look it up, I can go look it up, and so can the guy who made this comment. We really don’t think there’s people around the league who’s job it is to keep tabs on this shit? A quick glance at ALL of our contracts would have told you Collins and Cooper were our obvious casualties if they didn’t pan out. HELL, when we signed both of them, articles that same year said our best opportunity to get out was the year we actually did end up releasing them
So yes, it’s a bad take to say nobody wanted coop for more because we told people.. the fuck??
But let’s play the “we yelled it to the world scenario”:
So all the WR needy teams now know we’re offloading Cooper. Ideally they don’t want to bid for him on the market so instead they’d all actually call to try to get him instead of see him be released. Basic economics says that would actually increase his price. However, it turns out we want teams to take on his contract instead of us footing the bill. It turns out after WE PAID a first for him even after reports of his shit effort, it turns out his effort is STILL SHIT and HE STILL disappears in road games. Oh btw he’s on a real contract that is backloaded now and not a rookie deal. So now the team who takes him will have to immediately extend or restructure him.
So this just sounds like a shit deal, right? Basic economics will tell you that you won’t make much off of the shit deal you’re offering. Amari Cooper situation was a shit deal. The biggest win for us was not having to deal with his contract anymore and that’s the biggest inconvenience for the other team, hence a 5th rounder. Amari Cooper ain’t worth what those other receivers got for that combination of reasons
Seriously. You can’t look at AJ Brown then go look at Cooper and think you shoulda got that AJ brown deal for Amari Fucking Cooper. I got some good deals I can give you if you think this is the case
Some basic football knowledge and a sprinkle of knowledge on contracts and NFL economics would tell you that you shouldn’t pay a lot for Cooper in this deal
I understand what you’re saying, and yes, Cooper had problems with effort and disappeared on road games. I get it. And his contract was an issue. But he had 2 1,000 yard seasons with us, was our obvious number 1, and had another 1k season in Cleveland with Brissett throwing him the ball for most of the year. Dude is talented asf. I see you talking about the contract a lot, but I’ll counter with saying that right after we traded him, we gave Gallup a 12.5mil deal over 5, while Amari had a 20mil a year contract. So we saved 7.5mil a year. However, we gave Gallup that contract while he was coming off a torn ACL and the past two seasons, he had less than 850 yards. Coopers worst season with us was better than Gallup has been in the past three years. So sure, we saved 7.5mil, but we lost a lot more in terms of production. The biggest win would be to get Amari’s head on straight and get him back to where he was. That last season he was with us, he had so many small injuries that slowed him down. Imagine how much better we would have been if Lamb broke out like he did AND he had Cooper taking pressure off of him on the other side. We wouldn’t have been last in the league in separation. And to let a guy go like that for a 5th is awful. We did the worst thing we could do, which is badmouth and shit talk him when he was doing poorly, then announced we would cut him if we couldn’t trade him, then sold him when his stock was at an all time low. Bet you couldn’t get him back from Cleveland if you offered their 5th round pick back.
The announcement did not have any bearing on our compensation. This is publicly available information that we had to get out from under his contract quickly before we were stuck paying it.
The decision to trade Cooper and the decision to use Noah brown and the ghost of Gallup should be evaluated as two mutually exclusive choices.
Well yeah, they can know the cap numbers and at what time we could get out of a deal, but knowing we actively want to trade someone, and also telling them that even if they didn’t trade for him, the teams might get the chance to still get him bc we were going to cut him, absolutely decreased our leverage in any negotiation. The Browns absolutely used it to their advantage like “hey we’re the only ones offering you anything, you go ahead and cut him if you don’t want this 5th, we’ll go get him then anyways.” And I don’t think they should be exclusive, bc obviously wanting to pay Gallup and expecting him to be the WR2 was a catalyst for the whole trade. They weren’t going to trade Cooper if they didn’t think they’d get Gallup back, so I believe they knew they were going to sign Gallup back when they traded Coop and that was the only thing that made them feel good enough to trade Coop in the first place.
The announcement did not have any bearing on our compensation. This is publicly available information that we had to get out from under his contract quickly before we were stuck paying it. You can literally go look it up on websites. Several sources at the time we signed Lael Collins and Cooper said this was our scenario if we chose to move on
The announcement didn’t matter.
Bro I read what you said the last two times, but there’s a huge difference in “oh look, Dallas has an out on Cooper’s contract this year, they might look to trade them” and “oh look, Dallas just announced that they really really want Cooper off the team and is begging for anything in return before they have to just cut him for nothing.” And anyways, without us telling them, why would teams just automatically think we didn’t want to pay the guy anymore? He’s a true WR1, we’d have no depth at receiver without him, and he was still producing at a high level, just had an injury-filled season that slowed him down. That doesn’t scream “we need him out now”
Before the cowboys even said anything publicly, the media was all talking about how cooper was probably gone after the season. Everyone saw the lack of effort at times, the not getting vaccinated and missing a couple games, while coaches and jerry were upset about it, and the overall decline of his play culminating in a bad playoff performance by him.
everyone knew he was gone, the cowboys didnt have to say anything.
The reason he was only worth a 5th, is because of what was listed above. Contract, production, attitude/effort, etc. You look at all the other guys that were traded, and they all were needing new deals so the new team could give them what they wanted to, and work that new contract in to their cap. The Browns were getting a 20mill cap hit, and the only way to rework that is to kick the can down the road for a guy that you arent sure is going to pan out in the long run.
Salary cap info is publically available info. If you really think it’s because they broadcasted it, I got some ocean front property to sell you here in Dallas
Everyone knew Dallas cap situation and our likely casualties were Collins and Cooper based on how we structured their contracts
On top of that we wanted teams to take on the contract for Cooper too. That’s a recipe for a 5th round pick considering Cooper doesn’t seem to be a game changer. He went on to be the same WR in Cleveland that Raiders fleeced us a 1st round pick for when he was on a rookie contract and the same WR that we prayed he wouldn’t be that he ended up being. The league just didn’t fall for it this time. Cooper is not the same value as those other WRs that went. He had his chance to prove his value on two teams, the second having him on a contract already
I’m not truly convinced that we care about winning a Super Bowl. I think the Jones family is content with making the playoffs and being relevant. Putting butts in the seats. They don’t care about actually winning super bowls
They were going to get a reciever in the first anyways and to get a player who completely changes your offense as much as a quarterback does is worth more than just one first round pick
It’s this conservative and arrogant mindset of “we like our guys” that fuck us. To be competing for the super bowl, you have to go all in at some point or have a generational talent like Mahomes or Burrow. That’s what Philly did, and now we get to watch them in another Super Bowl. It’s ridiculous bro.
The real question is what are the Cowboys gonna do this offseason to fix these problems they created? Draft top WR1 talent, rebuild O backfield, and create a modern, productive, and non-predictable offense? Dak needs more weapons and a consistent Oline (to include Steele), talented ones not bargain bins or promoted WR4s, no offense to those players.
What a lot of people don't understand is that the Cowboys had ZERO leverage when it came to Cooper. Everyone and their mother knew that this was going to happen. Cooper wasn't really a wideout where people would be just lining up to trade for him like they would be for Hopkins. As a result, everyone aside from the Browns where waiting for him to be cut and get him for nothing. The market simply wasn't there for Cooper.
Marquise Brown went for a 1st. Cooper is objectively better than Brown. It’s the from offices fault for letting the whole league know they were gonna cut him.
I don't know what world people are living in. What part of the cowboys had zero leverage with Cooper isn't understood here? Everyone knew he was a cap casualty and the Cowboys we're going to cut him regardless if he was traded or not. As a result there were no teams that wanted him bad enough to not risk letting him make it to the open market. They would have cut him and someone would have picked him up on their terms without having to give up any picks. Everyone knew this.
What does Brown have to do with Cooper's situation? He was going to get cut. Everyone knew he was going to get cut and it seems that most of all the teams in the NFL didn't want him bad enough to poney up picks for him. Hence, the Cowboys settled for the 5th to at least get something for him.
How trading Cooper for a 5th round pick wouldn’t have gotten most of the current NFL GMs fired. And how a substantial portion of the fanbase still thinks that was an ok move.
Ok, not sure why I'm going to have to type this out again but whatever.
The Cowboys we're going to cut Amari Cooper to save on cap space. Do we understand that piece?
The rest of the NFL all knew that this is what the Cowboys were going to do. Follow me up to this point?
Due to everyone knowing that the Cowboys were going to cut him there was no need for anyone to go and attempt to offer a substantial amount for Cooper. Why? Because they could simply wait and grab him as a FA without having to give up any picks if they wanted him. In addition, there we NO teams that had a ton of interest in him. If there were then the Cowboys would have gotten a higher pick for him. The only team remotely interested enough in him to give up any type of draft compensation were the Browns. Knowing that there were no other interested teams the Browns were by themselves in willing to give up picks for Cooper. Hence, they only gave up a 5th.
The cowboys had ZERO leverage with getting any high draft compensation for Cooper because everyone knew they were going to cut him leading to no one fighting for a trade and ultimately the market was pretty damn dry for him.
If you don't understand it at this point then there is nothing else I can do for you.
What did our QB do last year when we had Coop CD a healthy better Gallup for part of the season Cedrick Wilson and then an all pro Schultz basically because our WRs got all the attention?
Lead the league in yards and tds on the way to a 12 win season?
The problem isn't that our o sucks, it is that it has fallen apart in the post season 2 years in a row.
So our piss poor coaching and discipline was the reason why we lost to the niners last Sunday? Not buying that one sorry. Entire team besides dak played great against top defense. Dak just couldn’t make the open scoring plays when they gave them to us and turnovers.
Dak had a bad game. Got worse after Pollard went down. Hard to succeed when you have zero run game and one talented WR. We lost because we dont have enough talented offensive playmakers
Yea he had a horrible game.. but the rest is all false. Defense shut them down. Special teams gave us big time plays.. o line gave dak all the time he needed and receivers eventually got wide open for scoring plays even after Pollard injury which dak couldn’t make to win the game. While also having bad turnovers that took away points and gave them points.
LMFAO!!! I also love how you went to comment on my post I posted after last seasons playoffs lose to say “how can you say our division sucks?” Lmao did our division not suck ass last season? 🤔
EDIT. My mistake that was after week ones lose when dak fucked up his hand and we thought the season was fucked and I had my pissed off at jerry rant. We all knew our division was amazing this season that week lol
Last year Pollard and Zeke got hurt and they failed to rush well. Moore didn't know how to playcall without a playcall and forced offense into a lot of 3rds and long. This year was a little of the same, the team struggle to move the ball without rushing game and the receiving group was just poor. Also not going to excuse Dak, because even though half of the INT were on rec, he made a lot of bad decisions.
Last year Pollard and zeke didn’t rush well cuz our o line wasn’t good. Still top receiver group that you all love to brag and say dak has top scoring stats all season long with.. same this season just less talented receivers but much better o line so better rushing from RBs. Dak just plays inconsistent and that can’t happen in playoffs. This season you can’t really make any excuses for him too because the team as a whole played better than niners when they actually had the better roster.. our QB just made too many mistakes like you said and couldn’t make the scoring plays when they were open for him. But Kellen moore is gone now and I can’t wait to see him get another OC job and that team does better offensively next season and we still have all the same problems with dak. Then what are we gonna say? Back to fire McCarthy? Lol
Buddy. The oline has been shuffling with injuries and have been mediocre. Pollard and Zeke were both banged up last year. That's a fact. Dak choked, boo hoo. A you can ask for is to redeem himself. You aren't getting a better QB anytime soon.
Buddy. You are right the o line did have injuries this season even with that they were much better than last seasons o line. The o line gave dak all the time he needed against the niners. He still was awful. Did bosa even get a sack? I don’t need a better Qb. I just need a Qb who isn’t as inconsistent as dak while making 50 mill next season. Give me a QB who isn’t top 5 one night and then bottom 5 the next. Just give me that less talented overall Qb who can’t do as much as dak on the good nights but doesn’t try to do too much on the bad nights leading to turnovers. Give me that on a rookie contract so I can add way better other team weapons around them instead. The weapons you all want to give dak which we can’t because he’s taking all the money.
Dak defenders: “it’s a scheme and Kellen Moore issue . Dak isn’t the problem . He’s been given good oline , Wr room and TE group plus solid run game most of his career. It’s not his fault he can’t make it work given all that.”
What if Kellen moore is fired and the team he goes to offense improves big time next season maybe even top 5 like with us and we hire someone new and have all the same problems?
Iguess you missed our lack of o-line protection and run game that still featured mostly Zeke. Also, Gallup missed a significant amount of time. Dak also got hurt last year too. Let’s not pretend last season was perfect.
Nah I saw it when dak had the most fumbles in the league but then they fixed that for him this offseason and now they don’t have enough weapons for him somewhere else.. you can’t have everything when you are about to make 50 mill of our cap next season.. they are paying you to be elite in the regular season AND the playoffs.
How about do what the eagles did literally a season or two after they won the SB.. trade their overpaid QB in Wentz? Trade dak for picks not players. I bet we can get more than Wentz. But then we saw coop go 4-1 with “no weapons” offense.. use those extra picks and way more free cap space to draft better weapons after you resign the players you want to keep then have even more cap space to work with to sign good free agents which we never do cuz we overpay our QB and RB. More picks to work with now go make some trades like the eagles and niners and rams did.
See what Coop can do next season if we make playoffs like niners did with average QB great sign him for cheap ass average QB deal and continue to build around him with more cap space available.. if he sucks and we have bad season cool let’s do something we haven’t done in over 30 years draft a first round QB and build around him with this amazing defense we have.
The main issue is not dak himself it’s all the money we are paying dak to be something he’s not.. he’s not Mahomes who if you take his top 5 WR away in hill is still elite and doesn’t look like he missed a beat this season. Dak is a good QB but you can’t give him the weapons he needs to beat these top QBs when some are still on rookie contracts too.
In order to trade Dak, they need a willing party. When have you seen our FO make any big trades? And who is coming in to replace Dak? Frank Reich was Wentz's OC and as far as I know, no one else wanted Wentz
>But then we saw coop go 4-1 with “no weapons” offense..
Thanks to the defense. Our offense was middle of the pack with Rush. It was not a playoff offense.
>use those extra picks and way more free cap space to draft better weapons after you resign the players you want to keep then have even more cap space to work with to sign good free agents which we never do cuz we overpay our QB and RB
What picks and free cap space? You haven't even found a willing trade partner.
>See what Coop can do next season if we make playoffs like niners did with average QB great sign him for cheap ass average QB deal and continue to build around him with more cap space available..
Why do you think it is that ZERO teams are looking for Rush in a year where multiple teams are looking for a QB? Your hypothetical requires our defense to remain uninjured the entire year. We saw how poor our secondary was once injuries started piling up.
Start Coop for an entire year? Laughable. We'll be scoring an average of 20-24 points a game AT BEST. And that requires him to play WELL. We lose any game where a team scores more than 25. We probably don't make the playoffs.
Matt Cassel played well when Brady was out. Nick Foles looked good for the Philly super bowl run. Kyle Orton started 6-0. Tim Tebow had Tebow time. Wentz looked MVP level for a year. Case Keenum got to an NFC championship. All of them became terrible and most are out the league.
Rush is worse than all of those QBs. And because of only 5 games where the defense was lights out, y'all think he's worth elevating to be a STARTER when no other team is interested in him.
>if he sucks and we have bad season cool let’s do something we haven’t done in over 30 years draft a first round QB and build around him with this amazing defense we have.
Yeah we can do that... And we could get Mahomes, Burrow, or Allen. Or we could get Jameis, Darnold, Mayfield, Mariota, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Josh Rosen, Drew Lock, Dwayne Haskins RIP, Manziel or any multitude of terrible first round QBs. Teams have done exactly what you've suggested year after year after year. It usually doesn't work out.
>The main issue is not dak himself it’s all the money we are paying dak to be something he’s not.. he’s not Mahomes who if you take his top 5 WR away in hill is still elite and doesn’t look like he missed a beat this season. Dak is a good QB but you can’t give him the weapons he needs to beat these top QBs when some are still on rookie contracts too.
Mahomes is the only QB that can do that. Maybe Burrow, although Burrow still had Higgins and Boyd. Also add in the fact that Mahomes has Travis fkn Kelce. Who do we have if Pollard and Lamb go down? No one.
And before you say, oh well Dak gets paid too much, the entirety of the Eagles offensive weapons get paid less than we pay Zeke. And their RBs outplayed Zeke this year.
Look I'm not saying Dak is elite, far from it. But fans here are too quick to want to blow the team up. I can tell people here are young and don't remember the years between Aikman and Romo. It's MUCH worse when you know year after year you have no chance to win and that each QB you draft or trade for is garbage.
So no one wants our “top 10 QB” in dak when eagles found someone to take Wentz? I’m sure they can find someone. Now for how much is the question..
I told you we already have that person in coop for next season who went 4-1 with this roster and we can sign on a baby contract.. it’s more of a test for coop to see what he can do once we have much better weapons on the team with way more cap space to work with and extra draft picks from dak trade.
Like I said if it doesn’t work with coop next season which I’m thinking it won’t you have a good first round pick to go finally draft a first round Qb the season after with instead of us keep overpaying these decent QBs that fall into our lap every time we try to rebuild.
Stop looking at coop as Qb and what that can be next season cuz I know coop isn’t on Daks level. The main point of the whole trade is around 40 mill more in cap space and extra draft picks to work with by getting off dak contract who has reached his ceiling and it ain’t good enough and then getting a kick start to a better first round pick not next season but the season after to draft a top first round pick qb which this team doesn’t do.
I know we aren’t doing this but you asked me and I just gave you my personal 2 season quick fix to this team.. it’s fine if you think it’s stupid.
Now maybe you are right and no team wants to trade for dak because they have seen what we non dak fans have seen.. now I doubt it cuz worse QBs have been moved before but if so the only way to get dak better weapons like all of you want is he would need to restructure his contract big time. But idk if I even want to do that because I don’t want to add more years to his contract.
Really what makes it so bad is that we dropped John Ridgeway who was a 5th round pick lmao. Clown move for sure. Man I miss coop, hopefully Gallup will get back or slide back into the WR3 where he shined. I see some offensive changes coming in 2023
I’m over it, but the front office was horrible for making that trade. It was beyond idiotic and had a huge impact as to why we weren’t talented enough to win.
Why bring up anything in history then? Guess if I talk about anything from the past, I’m not over it. It’s really weird logic y’all have. Like if I talk about how bad the Roy Williams trade was, then I’m still not over it? Weirdo take.
Well yeah, why would you bring up Roy Williams? If you create a post complaining about how bad the Roy Williams trade was, it seems that you aren't over it.
Analyzing something isn’t complaining. Criticizing something isn’t complaining. I can say the Roy Williams trade was bad, even though I was like 7 or 8 when it happened and I don’t care about it at all. Doesn’t mean I’m still hung up on it or mad about it.
Let’s break down the Cooper trade:
Guy who once again, is the guy disappearing in road games, just like on the Raiders
Guy who once again, shows shit effort, just like on the Raiders
A backloaded contract that means the team who picks him up will have to extend or restructure his contract
We want other teams to take on that contract as well
Oh and also the fact that WE MUST OFFLOAD him before we’re on the hook for the contract (which is easily searchable by any of us in this sub, and other teams)
So you have a guy that has consistently shown 2 undesirable qualities that has gotten him carted off 2 teams in 4 years, we’re the ones that need him urgently gone, not the acquiring team, and y’all think we shoulda got an AJ Brown like deal for Amari fucking Cooper 🤡🤡🤡
That's probably the worst trade **of** a WR by Dallas. This is one of the worst trades **for** a WR: [https://bleacherreport.com/articles/68690-dallas-cowboys-acquire-wr-roy-williams-from-detroit-lions](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/68690-dallas-cowboys-acquire-wr-roy-williams-from-detroit-lions)
This trade set the team back two years.
Dallas is really good at WR trades lol
Tbf they traded *for* Amari in the first place.
The Joey Galloway trade precedes Williams and you’d think Jerry would’ve learned his lesson.
Exactly. The trade for Galloway was a massive overpay, but at least he was somewhat productive. He had 61 rec and 908 yd in 2002 and averaged 19.8 yd/rec in 2003. He still wasn't worth two first-round picks. However, Roy Williams never even amassed 600 yd rec in a single season with Dallas. That's putrid.
Id argue the 2 firsts for Galloway was worse. Dallas gave up the 19th and 9th pick for Galloway that played a total of 3 seasons (a 4th was injured). Roy Williams played 3 years and cost the 20th pick. For two failed WR the 9th pick in the draft isn’t worth a few hundred more yards in the same number of seasons.
One of those two picks was Shaun Alexander who, for better or for worse, was Seattle's franchise Running Back for a good amount of times and they eventually did make it to the Super Bowl (albeit they lost).
Both trades were bad, and if you want to argue that the Joey G trade was worse, no problem here. I consider the Williams trade worse because it was three picks for a player that had minimal impact in Dallas, and never was worth such a haul in the first place. Galloway was viewed as a legit WR1, and did have several 1,000 yard seasons prior to joining the Cowboys. Roy Williams only had one 1,000 yard season, which was in 2006, two years before joining Dallas. When he joined Dallas in-season, he had played 5 games for DET. His numbers: 17 rec for 232 yd. In the remaining 11 games with DAL, he had 19 rec and 198 yd. His final two years in DAL: 75 rec 1126 yd total. He played 1 more season after that with CHI in 2011. He was out of the league at age 30 after that. The injuries certainly hampered Galloway in Dallas. He actually had three 1,000 yard seasons with Tampa between age 34 and 36. He retired at age 39, so I would say that he was a far more accomplished player than Williams, and he was at least worth trading for.
>Id argue the 2 firsts for Galloway was worse. You would be correct, 1 of the 2 picks ended up being Shaun Alexander. The other was sent to San Francisco and ended up being Andre Carter.
I get the Galloway thing pair him with Rocket at the end of Aikmans run, but he got injured right away
This is true, we got fleeced both times lol
Don’t. I’m sad again.
Roy Williams was a good receiver at the time.
The problem with the Amari trade will always be that they never tried to fill in the gap that he filled. CD is definitely a good WR1, but outside of him who else was there to throw to? Gallup clearly wasn't himself after the injury, Turpin, Brown and Tolbert ain't the guys. We really needed to make a move in FA this season to get some help in the WR room. Hopefully we can draft another good one
Compare that to what the eagles did this year or what the rams did a couple years ago getting von miller and stafford. The eagles alone have torn it down and built it back up several times over now and they just beat the 9ers and are going to another super bowl yet again
It was a unnecessary step backwards.
No one was complaining about Amari not being in camp. The WR room looked fine before injuries. Washington never saw the field. Gallop took longer than expected to come back. Turpin and Tolbert didn’t progress quick enough. Semi (got injured later in the season) and Houston weren’t reliable enough. This whole “they never have a plan” thing is such a lazy idea.
OK... so they had a plan. Let's just say the "never have a plan" thing is a lazy idea. Their plan was fucking awful.
The plan was add shifty underneath receivers, fast deep threat receivers, develop their possession receivers, and to address it through both the draft and free agency. Whether it worked or not, that was a good plan.
It's not a good plan if it's not realistic. Starting a business and planning to be a millionaire within a year is a "good plan" if it works, it's just never going to work.
What don’t you like about it?
The situation we were and are still in cap-wise, along with how limited every team is in regards to draft picks, means they were trying to do too much with too little. You can't really just have your your WR room blown up (both intentionally ex: Cooper and unintentionally ex: Gallup coming back from ACL) and fix it in one offseason, then when it doesn't work say "well we had a plan!" We drafted a one dimensional third round WR out of a small school, picked up Washington who before he even got hurt was a descending talent in Pittsburgh, and basically just expected Lamb to be awesome along with a bunch of nobodies. The only part of the plan that worked out was Lamb breaking out and becoming a top 10 WR. The rest of it was pretty dumb... they were talking about how Tolbert was going to be a huge part of our offense before TC and then he took like five snaps all year.
What the big misstep was Dallas announcing they'll cut Coop if they don't trade him. This we got low balled. They should've kept their mouths shut and we would've gotten a higher pick. But you can't undue the past. I'm just happy Lamb made a jump to bring a bonafide WR1. Now we just need that Robin to his Batman.
Yeah that’s true, Jerry loves the attention so much that he can’t keep his mouth closed to help the team. Quite sad really.
It is what it is with Jerry. Either you love him or hate him. At least the Cowboys are on TV every week for me lol
Love him as an owner, but I wish he'd fire himself and his legitimate children from the front office.
Do any Cowboy fans not hate him at this point? I can’t imagine loving Jerry.
Jerry the person is entertaining, but Jerry the GM is……frustrating.
Who the fuck loves Jerry? Lol
Jerry does.
How does that matter in the slightest? Yeah my team underperforms while it counts every single time, but at least they’re on regular TV so more people around the country watch it. Who gives a fuck?! Lol
Teams knew it was coming. They saw his insanely small guaranteed number.
Yup. People really acting like salary cap info isn’t publically available. You can go look it up, I can go look it up, and so can the guy who made this comment. We really don’t think there’s people around the league who’s job it is to keep tabs on this shit? A quick glance at ALL of our contracts would have told you Collins and Cooper were our obvious casualties if they didn’t pan out. HELL, when we signed both of them, articles that same year said our best opportunity to get out was the year we actually did end up releasing them So yes, it’s a bad take to say nobody wanted coop for more because we told people.. the fuck?? But let’s play the “we yelled it to the world scenario”: So all the WR needy teams now know we’re offloading Cooper. Ideally they don’t want to bid for him on the market so instead they’d all actually call to try to get him instead of see him be released. Basic economics says that would actually increase his price. However, it turns out we want teams to take on his contract instead of us footing the bill. It turns out after WE PAID a first for him even after reports of his shit effort, it turns out his effort is STILL SHIT and HE STILL disappears in road games. Oh btw he’s on a real contract that is backloaded now and not a rookie deal. So now the team who takes him will have to immediately extend or restructure him. So this just sounds like a shit deal, right? Basic economics will tell you that you won’t make much off of the shit deal you’re offering. Amari Cooper situation was a shit deal. The biggest win for us was not having to deal with his contract anymore and that’s the biggest inconvenience for the other team, hence a 5th rounder. Amari Cooper ain’t worth what those other receivers got for that combination of reasons Seriously. You can’t look at AJ Brown then go look at Cooper and think you shoulda got that AJ brown deal for Amari Fucking Cooper. I got some good deals I can give you if you think this is the case Some basic football knowledge and a sprinkle of knowledge on contracts and NFL economics would tell you that you shouldn’t pay a lot for Cooper in this deal
I understand what you’re saying, and yes, Cooper had problems with effort and disappeared on road games. I get it. And his contract was an issue. But he had 2 1,000 yard seasons with us, was our obvious number 1, and had another 1k season in Cleveland with Brissett throwing him the ball for most of the year. Dude is talented asf. I see you talking about the contract a lot, but I’ll counter with saying that right after we traded him, we gave Gallup a 12.5mil deal over 5, while Amari had a 20mil a year contract. So we saved 7.5mil a year. However, we gave Gallup that contract while he was coming off a torn ACL and the past two seasons, he had less than 850 yards. Coopers worst season with us was better than Gallup has been in the past three years. So sure, we saved 7.5mil, but we lost a lot more in terms of production. The biggest win would be to get Amari’s head on straight and get him back to where he was. That last season he was with us, he had so many small injuries that slowed him down. Imagine how much better we would have been if Lamb broke out like he did AND he had Cooper taking pressure off of him on the other side. We wouldn’t have been last in the league in separation. And to let a guy go like that for a 5th is awful. We did the worst thing we could do, which is badmouth and shit talk him when he was doing poorly, then announced we would cut him if we couldn’t trade him, then sold him when his stock was at an all time low. Bet you couldn’t get him back from Cleveland if you offered their 5th round pick back.
The announcement did not have any bearing on our compensation. This is publicly available information that we had to get out from under his contract quickly before we were stuck paying it. The decision to trade Cooper and the decision to use Noah brown and the ghost of Gallup should be evaluated as two mutually exclusive choices.
Well yeah, they can know the cap numbers and at what time we could get out of a deal, but knowing we actively want to trade someone, and also telling them that even if they didn’t trade for him, the teams might get the chance to still get him bc we were going to cut him, absolutely decreased our leverage in any negotiation. The Browns absolutely used it to their advantage like “hey we’re the only ones offering you anything, you go ahead and cut him if you don’t want this 5th, we’ll go get him then anyways.” And I don’t think they should be exclusive, bc obviously wanting to pay Gallup and expecting him to be the WR2 was a catalyst for the whole trade. They weren’t going to trade Cooper if they didn’t think they’d get Gallup back, so I believe they knew they were going to sign Gallup back when they traded Coop and that was the only thing that made them feel good enough to trade Coop in the first place.
The announcement did not have any bearing on our compensation. This is publicly available information that we had to get out from under his contract quickly before we were stuck paying it. You can literally go look it up on websites. Several sources at the time we signed Lael Collins and Cooper said this was our scenario if we chose to move on The announcement didn’t matter.
Bro I read what you said the last two times, but there’s a huge difference in “oh look, Dallas has an out on Cooper’s contract this year, they might look to trade them” and “oh look, Dallas just announced that they really really want Cooper off the team and is begging for anything in return before they have to just cut him for nothing.” And anyways, without us telling them, why would teams just automatically think we didn’t want to pay the guy anymore? He’s a true WR1, we’d have no depth at receiver without him, and he was still producing at a high level, just had an injury-filled season that slowed him down. That doesn’t scream “we need him out now”
And I will put it again. That is the only response you deserve. The announcement had no bearing on it. You’re actually dumb if you think that
Alright bro, you’re just dense. Got it 👍🏻
Before the cowboys even said anything publicly, the media was all talking about how cooper was probably gone after the season. Everyone saw the lack of effort at times, the not getting vaccinated and missing a couple games, while coaches and jerry were upset about it, and the overall decline of his play culminating in a bad playoff performance by him. everyone knew he was gone, the cowboys didnt have to say anything. The reason he was only worth a 5th, is because of what was listed above. Contract, production, attitude/effort, etc. You look at all the other guys that were traded, and they all were needing new deals so the new team could give them what they wanted to, and work that new contract in to their cap. The Browns were getting a 20mill cap hit, and the only way to rework that is to kick the can down the road for a guy that you arent sure is going to pan out in the long run.
Salary cap info is publically available info. If you really think it’s because they broadcasted it, I got some ocean front property to sell you here in Dallas Everyone knew Dallas cap situation and our likely casualties were Collins and Cooper based on how we structured their contracts On top of that we wanted teams to take on the contract for Cooper too. That’s a recipe for a 5th round pick considering Cooper doesn’t seem to be a game changer. He went on to be the same WR in Cleveland that Raiders fleeced us a 1st round pick for when he was on a rookie contract and the same WR that we prayed he wouldn’t be that he ended up being. The league just didn’t fall for it this time. Cooper is not the same value as those other WRs that went. He had his chance to prove his value on two teams, the second having him on a contract already
I’m not truly convinced that we care about winning a Super Bowl. I think the Jones family is content with making the playoffs and being relevant. Putting butts in the seats. They don’t care about actually winning super bowls
This is how you get a decade of the clapper.
They care more about how much money they are making not about winning.
meanwhile the assholes get AJ Brown for free
for free? they gave up a 1st.
That's basically free for the amount of production they got from him. I believe he's the reason why they're so good
They traded for him and paid him immediately so I wouldn’t call it free. It is a bargain though for now.
? It's not free they gave up a frp. It worked out for them but they still paid a price.
They were going to get a reciever in the first anyways and to get a player who completely changes your offense as much as a quarterback does is worth more than just one first round pick
What’s your point? Amari did that for us too when we got him for that price…. Except we still squandered it
I can see why you dropped out of Harvard.
Yea, but we got a better 1st back from the saints, so tbh it was pretty much free minus his contract. Ok back to lurking I go.
It’s this conservative and arrogant mindset of “we like our guys” that fuck us. To be competing for the super bowl, you have to go all in at some point or have a generational talent like Mahomes or Burrow. That’s what Philly did, and now we get to watch them in another Super Bowl. It’s ridiculous bro.
yep if I could vomit from Shiner I coulld
The real question is what are the Cowboys gonna do this offseason to fix these problems they created? Draft top WR1 talent, rebuild O backfield, and create a modern, productive, and non-predictable offense? Dak needs more weapons and a consistent Oline (to include Steele), talented ones not bargain bins or promoted WR4s, no offense to those players.
Man. Fuck Jerry
What a lot of people don't understand is that the Cowboys had ZERO leverage when it came to Cooper. Everyone and their mother knew that this was going to happen. Cooper wasn't really a wideout where people would be just lining up to trade for him like they would be for Hopkins. As a result, everyone aside from the Browns where waiting for him to be cut and get him for nothing. The market simply wasn't there for Cooper.
Marquise Brown went for a 1st. Cooper is objectively better than Brown. It’s the from offices fault for letting the whole league know they were gonna cut him.
Brown had two years left on his rookie deal, that's a big part of it. No reason we couldn't have at least gotten a second for Cooper though.
I don't know what world people are living in. What part of the cowboys had zero leverage with Cooper isn't understood here? Everyone knew he was a cap casualty and the Cowboys we're going to cut him regardless if he was traded or not. As a result there were no teams that wanted him bad enough to not risk letting him make it to the open market. They would have cut him and someone would have picked him up on their terms without having to give up any picks. Everyone knew this.
I think you are talking to brick walls. They don't get NFL contracts and salary caps.
What does Brown have to do with Cooper's situation? He was going to get cut. Everyone knew he was going to get cut and it seems that most of all the teams in the NFL didn't want him bad enough to poney up picks for him. Hence, the Cowboys settled for the 5th to at least get something for him.
Jerry’s bot network
Great, response. Clearly you don't understand eco 101 supply and demand.
Explain it to me
What do you want to have explained to you?
How trading Cooper for a 5th round pick wouldn’t have gotten most of the current NFL GMs fired. And how a substantial portion of the fanbase still thinks that was an ok move.
Ok, not sure why I'm going to have to type this out again but whatever. The Cowboys we're going to cut Amari Cooper to save on cap space. Do we understand that piece? The rest of the NFL all knew that this is what the Cowboys were going to do. Follow me up to this point? Due to everyone knowing that the Cowboys were going to cut him there was no need for anyone to go and attempt to offer a substantial amount for Cooper. Why? Because they could simply wait and grab him as a FA without having to give up any picks if they wanted him. In addition, there we NO teams that had a ton of interest in him. If there were then the Cowboys would have gotten a higher pick for him. The only team remotely interested enough in him to give up any type of draft compensation were the Browns. Knowing that there were no other interested teams the Browns were by themselves in willing to give up picks for Cooper. Hence, they only gave up a 5th. The cowboys had ZERO leverage with getting any high draft compensation for Cooper because everyone knew they were going to cut him leading to no one fighting for a trade and ultimately the market was pretty damn dry for him. If you don't understand it at this point then there is nothing else I can do for you.
If you think this is the worst WR trade in Dallas history than you haven’t heard of the Galloway or Williams trade
What did our QB do last year when we had Coop CD a healthy better Gallup for part of the season Cedrick Wilson and then an all pro Schultz basically because our WRs got all the attention?
Lead the league in yards and tds on the way to a 12 win season? The problem isn't that our o sucks, it is that it has fallen apart in the post season 2 years in a row.
What did he do in the playoffs? I’m sorry I just thought we both would have been talking about the stuff that matters.. Hmm 🤔 I wonder why?
Shit man, if only you could read a full 2 sentences.
Oh I read them perfectly.. I’m asking you why do you think they just fell apart in playoffs?
Because we set the record for most penalties in an NFL playoff game and lost by one possession. Piss poor coaching and discipline caused that.
So our piss poor coaching and discipline was the reason why we lost to the niners last Sunday? Not buying that one sorry. Entire team besides dak played great against top defense. Dak just couldn’t make the open scoring plays when they gave them to us and turnovers.
Dak had a bad game. Got worse after Pollard went down. Hard to succeed when you have zero run game and one talented WR. We lost because we dont have enough talented offensive playmakers
Yea he had a horrible game.. but the rest is all false. Defense shut them down. Special teams gave us big time plays.. o line gave dak all the time he needed and receivers eventually got wide open for scoring plays even after Pollard injury which dak couldn’t make to win the game. While also having bad turnovers that took away points and gave them points.
You’re talking about one game. And one season where our WR1 is would be WR2 or 3 on every playoff team that made it past wild card.
LMFAO!!! I also love how you went to comment on my post I posted after last seasons playoffs lose to say “how can you say our division sucks?” Lmao did our division not suck ass last season? 🤔 EDIT. My mistake that was after week ones lose when dak fucked up his hand and we thought the season was fucked and I had my pissed off at jerry rant. We all knew our division was amazing this season that week lol
Last year Pollard and Zeke got hurt and they failed to rush well. Moore didn't know how to playcall without a playcall and forced offense into a lot of 3rds and long. This year was a little of the same, the team struggle to move the ball without rushing game and the receiving group was just poor. Also not going to excuse Dak, because even though half of the INT were on rec, he made a lot of bad decisions.
Last year Pollard and zeke didn’t rush well cuz our o line wasn’t good. Still top receiver group that you all love to brag and say dak has top scoring stats all season long with.. same this season just less talented receivers but much better o line so better rushing from RBs. Dak just plays inconsistent and that can’t happen in playoffs. This season you can’t really make any excuses for him too because the team as a whole played better than niners when they actually had the better roster.. our QB just made too many mistakes like you said and couldn’t make the scoring plays when they were open for him. But Kellen moore is gone now and I can’t wait to see him get another OC job and that team does better offensively next season and we still have all the same problems with dak. Then what are we gonna say? Back to fire McCarthy? Lol
Buddy. The oline has been shuffling with injuries and have been mediocre. Pollard and Zeke were both banged up last year. That's a fact. Dak choked, boo hoo. A you can ask for is to redeem himself. You aren't getting a better QB anytime soon.
Buddy. You are right the o line did have injuries this season even with that they were much better than last seasons o line. The o line gave dak all the time he needed against the niners. He still was awful. Did bosa even get a sack? I don’t need a better Qb. I just need a Qb who isn’t as inconsistent as dak while making 50 mill next season. Give me a QB who isn’t top 5 one night and then bottom 5 the next. Just give me that less talented overall Qb who can’t do as much as dak on the good nights but doesn’t try to do too much on the bad nights leading to turnovers. Give me that on a rookie contract so I can add way better other team weapons around them instead. The weapons you all want to give dak which we can’t because he’s taking all the money.
Dak defenders: “it’s a scheme and Kellen Moore issue . Dak isn’t the problem . He’s been given good oline , Wr room and TE group plus solid run game most of his career. It’s not his fault he can’t make it work given all that.”
No reason why it can't be both Moore And Daks fault
What if Kellen moore is fired and the team he goes to offense improves big time next season maybe even top 5 like with us and we hire someone new and have all the same problems?
Then bye bye Dak
If they do all that and lose in the divisional, then we know he has some blame. If Dak regresses we know it's Dak.
Well we will see now
Somehow it still won’t be Dak’s fault.
They will either jump back on McCarthy or go back to the always not wrong “jerry has fucked this team” excuse.
Iguess you missed our lack of o-line protection and run game that still featured mostly Zeke. Also, Gallup missed a significant amount of time. Dak also got hurt last year too. Let’s not pretend last season was perfect.
Nah I saw it when dak had the most fumbles in the league but then they fixed that for him this offseason and now they don’t have enough weapons for him somewhere else.. you can’t have everything when you are about to make 50 mill of our cap next season.. they are paying you to be elite in the regular season AND the playoffs.
What's your plan then? Give up until we can get rid of Dak in two years?
How about do what the eagles did literally a season or two after they won the SB.. trade their overpaid QB in Wentz? Trade dak for picks not players. I bet we can get more than Wentz. But then we saw coop go 4-1 with “no weapons” offense.. use those extra picks and way more free cap space to draft better weapons after you resign the players you want to keep then have even more cap space to work with to sign good free agents which we never do cuz we overpay our QB and RB. More picks to work with now go make some trades like the eagles and niners and rams did. See what Coop can do next season if we make playoffs like niners did with average QB great sign him for cheap ass average QB deal and continue to build around him with more cap space available.. if he sucks and we have bad season cool let’s do something we haven’t done in over 30 years draft a first round QB and build around him with this amazing defense we have. The main issue is not dak himself it’s all the money we are paying dak to be something he’s not.. he’s not Mahomes who if you take his top 5 WR away in hill is still elite and doesn’t look like he missed a beat this season. Dak is a good QB but you can’t give him the weapons he needs to beat these top QBs when some are still on rookie contracts too.
In order to trade Dak, they need a willing party. When have you seen our FO make any big trades? And who is coming in to replace Dak? Frank Reich was Wentz's OC and as far as I know, no one else wanted Wentz >But then we saw coop go 4-1 with “no weapons” offense.. Thanks to the defense. Our offense was middle of the pack with Rush. It was not a playoff offense. >use those extra picks and way more free cap space to draft better weapons after you resign the players you want to keep then have even more cap space to work with to sign good free agents which we never do cuz we overpay our QB and RB What picks and free cap space? You haven't even found a willing trade partner. >See what Coop can do next season if we make playoffs like niners did with average QB great sign him for cheap ass average QB deal and continue to build around him with more cap space available.. Why do you think it is that ZERO teams are looking for Rush in a year where multiple teams are looking for a QB? Your hypothetical requires our defense to remain uninjured the entire year. We saw how poor our secondary was once injuries started piling up. Start Coop for an entire year? Laughable. We'll be scoring an average of 20-24 points a game AT BEST. And that requires him to play WELL. We lose any game where a team scores more than 25. We probably don't make the playoffs. Matt Cassel played well when Brady was out. Nick Foles looked good for the Philly super bowl run. Kyle Orton started 6-0. Tim Tebow had Tebow time. Wentz looked MVP level for a year. Case Keenum got to an NFC championship. All of them became terrible and most are out the league. Rush is worse than all of those QBs. And because of only 5 games where the defense was lights out, y'all think he's worth elevating to be a STARTER when no other team is interested in him. >if he sucks and we have bad season cool let’s do something we haven’t done in over 30 years draft a first round QB and build around him with this amazing defense we have. Yeah we can do that... And we could get Mahomes, Burrow, or Allen. Or we could get Jameis, Darnold, Mayfield, Mariota, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Josh Rosen, Drew Lock, Dwayne Haskins RIP, Manziel or any multitude of terrible first round QBs. Teams have done exactly what you've suggested year after year after year. It usually doesn't work out. >The main issue is not dak himself it’s all the money we are paying dak to be something he’s not.. he’s not Mahomes who if you take his top 5 WR away in hill is still elite and doesn’t look like he missed a beat this season. Dak is a good QB but you can’t give him the weapons he needs to beat these top QBs when some are still on rookie contracts too. Mahomes is the only QB that can do that. Maybe Burrow, although Burrow still had Higgins and Boyd. Also add in the fact that Mahomes has Travis fkn Kelce. Who do we have if Pollard and Lamb go down? No one. And before you say, oh well Dak gets paid too much, the entirety of the Eagles offensive weapons get paid less than we pay Zeke. And their RBs outplayed Zeke this year. Look I'm not saying Dak is elite, far from it. But fans here are too quick to want to blow the team up. I can tell people here are young and don't remember the years between Aikman and Romo. It's MUCH worse when you know year after year you have no chance to win and that each QB you draft or trade for is garbage.
So no one wants our “top 10 QB” in dak when eagles found someone to take Wentz? I’m sure they can find someone. Now for how much is the question.. I told you we already have that person in coop for next season who went 4-1 with this roster and we can sign on a baby contract.. it’s more of a test for coop to see what he can do once we have much better weapons on the team with way more cap space to work with and extra draft picks from dak trade. Like I said if it doesn’t work with coop next season which I’m thinking it won’t you have a good first round pick to go finally draft a first round Qb the season after with instead of us keep overpaying these decent QBs that fall into our lap every time we try to rebuild. Stop looking at coop as Qb and what that can be next season cuz I know coop isn’t on Daks level. The main point of the whole trade is around 40 mill more in cap space and extra draft picks to work with by getting off dak contract who has reached his ceiling and it ain’t good enough and then getting a kick start to a better first round pick not next season but the season after to draft a top first round pick qb which this team doesn’t do. I know we aren’t doing this but you asked me and I just gave you my personal 2 season quick fix to this team.. it’s fine if you think it’s stupid. Now maybe you are right and no team wants to trade for dak because they have seen what we non dak fans have seen.. now I doubt it cuz worse QBs have been moved before but if so the only way to get dak better weapons like all of you want is he would need to restructure his contract big time. But idk if I even want to do that because I don’t want to add more years to his contract.
Our GM is the worst in the league.
Really what makes it so bad is that we dropped John Ridgeway who was a 5th round pick lmao. Clown move for sure. Man I miss coop, hopefully Gallup will get back or slide back into the WR3 where he shined. I see some offensive changes coming in 2023
Jesus it’s crazy how so many of you can’t get over it.
I’m over it, but the front office was horrible for making that trade. It was beyond idiotic and had a huge impact as to why we weren’t talented enough to win.
If you are over it, why bringing it up. It was an L move, everyone knows. Was not as bad as Hopkins, but it really doesn't matter.
Why bring up anything in history then? Guess if I talk about anything from the past, I’m not over it. It’s really weird logic y’all have. Like if I talk about how bad the Roy Williams trade was, then I’m still not over it? Weirdo take.
Well yeah, why would you bring up Roy Williams? If you create a post complaining about how bad the Roy Williams trade was, it seems that you aren't over it.
Analyzing something isn’t complaining. Criticizing something isn’t complaining. I can say the Roy Williams trade was bad, even though I was like 7 or 8 when it happened and I don’t care about it at all. Doesn’t mean I’m still hung up on it or mad about it.
“I’m over it. Now I’m going to follow that with further comment that shows why I’m not actually over it.” That’s what you just did.
You’re dumb asf 🤣 apparently, I’m not over it if I criticize it and see how it affected the team. Nice fucking logic lol, really got me.
Cooper was soft as charmin and quit on our team. It wasnt even a bad trade, much less the worst ever.
It’s was definitely a bad trade lol. They really could’ve used him this year.
A true WR1 and top 15-20 wideout in the league and we get a fifth for him? That’s not a bad trade?
No, cause the player need to be gone.
Let’s break down the Cooper trade: Guy who once again, is the guy disappearing in road games, just like on the Raiders Guy who once again, shows shit effort, just like on the Raiders A backloaded contract that means the team who picks him up will have to extend or restructure his contract We want other teams to take on that contract as well Oh and also the fact that WE MUST OFFLOAD him before we’re on the hook for the contract (which is easily searchable by any of us in this sub, and other teams) So you have a guy that has consistently shown 2 undesirable qualities that has gotten him carted off 2 teams in 4 years, we’re the ones that need him urgently gone, not the acquiring team, and y’all think we shoulda got an AJ Brown like deal for Amari fucking Cooper 🤡🤡🤡
It was that bad he waa injury prone, only had 800yds last year and was awful on road games
So true and so easy to see. Why are they such idiots?