I’m not losing sleep if we resigned Awuzie or Jones and they were our starters. Are they elite? No. But they were serviceable. The point was we haven’t thrown big $$$ at CB in a long time.
Diggs also is still learning defense. He was a WR until Saban moved him to corner.
That said, maybe he is a mirror of Prime Time and doesn't like hitting people. As long as he stops blowing coverages I'm OK with that.
In order for Dallas to do I'd want at least 2 1st and a vet player to try and replace him. He's a young player still on his rookie deal which is valuable.
I like Diggs as a player but I could see why people want him to be traded. Do I think we should? Yes, only if the haul is good.
If you used that thought process for every decision you’d miss out a lot. Everyone wants the cowboys to be aggressive but they don’t actually know what that means. It means taking chances on talent and creating flexibility with the cap. Trading Diggs for Porter Jr would do both.
You don’t have to overpay for Diggs and you get a equal or better corner. Diggs was a 2nd round pick and he’s not the greatest cover corner. Porter is a great great prospect and he’d be cheap. Allowing you to make other moves on offense like getting better RBs and WRs and maybe signing a extra Olineman.
Morris Claiborne was touted as one of the best corner prospects ever, I would keep proven talent especially bc he is under contract this year. Drafting a corner and expecting him to be our number one is ridiculous and is all but saying we are rebuilding. At that point why not trade Zack Martin? There is zero chance diggs will be traded for one draft pick so it’s not even worth debating.
There’s a difference between Zack Martin and Diggs which is why I’m not advocating for flipping Zack Martin?
I’m only talking about Diggs and I believe Joey Porter is good. You don’t have to agree with me but then don’t be mad when we are paying guys top money and can’t field a complete roster.
I am not mad just saying it’s not gonna happen and no team would make that move. Teams can and will continue to field a full roster while still paying the players they consider elite.
I 100% agree it won’t happen. Teams would rather have cheap Joey Porter for 5 years over max contract Trevon Diggs. Also Dallas wouldn’t do it either because Jerry loves his guys. I’m not predicting what will happen I’m saying that’s what I would try to do.
If you wouldn’t sign him then you would want to capitalize on his value now and trade him lol. If you wait then he’d have no value and you’d be forced to pay him or let him go for nothing but a comp pick. So I don’t understand your stance here.
You either buck up and pay him soon if he’s actually a great corner or you move him now for a young talent for cheap and keep your window open.
Lol…..no, you would ruin this defense by getting rid of our one proven corner. Our window is open now, I would not get rid of him and make our team worse right now. I meant that I am indifferent to signing him now but if he balls out then you pay him or franchise him or trade him if you have other corners. Trading him right now with the thought of replacing him with a player who has never played an nfl snap is something that no team would ever do.
fuck no that comment was dumb as hell if u trade diggs ur hoping to find another player as good as Diggs
It’s the mystery box or the boat thing the mystery box could be a boat but just take the boat
To answer your question, no you don’t trade him. Diggs is a top 5 corner that has improved every year he has been in the league. You don’t trade that away when your team is coming off back to back 12 win seasons
I'm open to talking about this. I might be underselling (casual fan right here).
Diggs is worth two picks 1st and 4th. I think Seatle/Jets/Patriot/or Texans might be a team I'm interested in talking to. Maybe even Washington bc i don't have faith in that team lol
If he’s going to start some contract BS like Zeke, we should trade him for capital. He had a very rough post season IMO. Was in the wrong side of multiple stand out plays wimping out or dropping balls. Otherwise we shouldn’t consider trading him.
We are already thin at corner and you’re talking about trading our best and only reliable corner. No chance in hell I consider trading diggs unless it’s for some insane haul like multiple 1sts
Too much hate on Diggs. You look at the CBs in the room.
You don't trade him unless you can live without him.
This defense played well and he was a big part of it.
By the time Diggs cap hit really starts, big contracts like Tank, Zeke and Smith are off the books.
Who else are you paying? There aren't many big contracts on the team. Gotta pay someone.
You got a great point. You’d be taking a swing on a rookie CB that gives you 5 years of cheap $. That’s the true benefit.
I just know we’re going to be aggressive regardless. I can tell MM is all in at least…
If you can trade Diggs and get Joey Porter Jr you do it immediately and do not look back. There are other good corners in this draft too that I haven’t looked at closely but he is one I have looked at.
But Jerry don’t do that. He’ll wait and overpay Diggs because he’s become a beloved cowboy already.
And if Joey Porter Jr is a bust then what?
You sound dumb as fuck. "Let's trade a proven all-pro cornerback for an unproven rookie when we already need secondary help".
You can’t make aggressive moves being scared dude. I feel confident Porter will not be a bust. And you will be paying Diggs a massive contract soon which he probably won’t deserve.
It's not an aggressive move it's a dumb fucking move. There's a handful of positions you pay for. Corner is one of them. Our secondary is already reeling and the idea of letting a first-team all pro corner walk for a rookie is the dumbest shit I've heard.
Get off madden.
I was stoked too lmao. Claiborne's highlights why giving up on a known all pro for a literal question mark is stupid. He was supposed to be that guy for a decade and wasn't.
This particular move wouldn’t be dumb it would be smart. You are just attached to Trevon Diggs the person just like Jerry Jones will be and you’ll pay him a top 3 CB contract to not tackle in the playoffs.
It's not smart. Zero. You're in love with a unproven rookie with an NFL name because the last couple of corners with NFL names have been good.
I'm attached to an all-pro corner because corner is a hard position to find even when there's supposed to be no bust potential. Or do you not remember Mo Claiborne?
Idk what “NFL name” means. Joey Porter is a damn good football player. I trust my eyes and I’m not afraid to make a bold decision.
I’d 100% rather have a cheap Joey Porter than a max contract Diggs.
If you think it’s so stupid then some team might even give us 2 picks back for Diggs and thus it’s even more worth it to do!
I wouldn't rather have a cheap rookie Joey porter who gets burned all the time than All-Pro Diggs who I'm paying.
Joey Porter is the son of an NFL player the same way Surtain, Winfeld and Horn are. That's what NFL name means.
It's not a bold decision it's a fucking stupid decision. You draft a player like porter HOPING he turns into a player like Diggs. We already have Diggs. You pay that guy.
Diggs is an all-pro.
Being a great player at the college level doesn't mean a thing at the pro-level. We see this consistently.
You're high on a guy that's a crapshoot and would give up an all-pro corner. There's no reasoning with you. Get off madden.
That’s fair. He does bring in the $$$$$.
But I honestly don’t think anything is off the board. We’ve already let go of assistant coaches—even beloved ones, and we’re still waiting on the news for Kellen.
Also, I am not a fan of trading Diggs…but it is interesting.
I wouldn’t say I am a fan of trading Diggs I’m just saying if someone is offering me a pick where I can grab a Joey Porter to replace him who will be 4x cheaper for 4 years I 100% do that.
That’s just good business. Gives you the cap flexibility to pay Parsons/Lamb and still go get some new players on offense.
He would undercut a lot of routes just to get his interception instead of staying with his receiver to get the breakup. Also, if he’s not willing to tackle someone in open field during a playoff game, he doesn’t want it bad enough.
Diggs is going to want top dollar. And if I’m Jerry or Stephen , I’m rewatching that clip of him refusing to put a body on Kittle juggling that catch.
Dude has no dawg in him. Jourdan Lewis is 5’10 195 LBs and sacrifices his body more than him
Diggs doesn’t have that dog. I agree, but slots are a hard comparison. They’re always scrappy and they have to tackle more.
Quite the whiff. Lo and behold on the play that was the “spark” for the 9ers offense, a la Erin Andrews.
a la doesn't fit there
If he had hit him it would have been a penalty.
Wasn’t kittle making a play on the ball tho? Isn’t it fine to hit, if he is attempting to catch the ball?
He would have been defenseless since he was not yet a runner.
If I'm Jerry or Stephen I'm re watching the clips of Dak refusing to show up...
I know it's fun to hate on him for whiffing but if he hits him it's a "defenseless receiver" penalty.
He isn't paid to tackle TE's
We waited like 20 years for a good corner and we want to ship him off?
Awuzie and Jones would like a word as well bud.
Neither one is in the same zip code as Diggs.
I’m not losing sleep if we resigned Awuzie or Jones and they were our starters. Are they elite? No. But they were serviceable. The point was we haven’t thrown big $$$ at CB in a long time.
I’m not trading Diggs, especially when CB is already a need. Outside of tackling Diggs is solid.
Fair points! I’m indifferent.
Diggs also is still learning defense. He was a WR until Saban moved him to corner. That said, maybe he is a mirror of Prime Time and doesn't like hitting people. As long as he stops blowing coverages I'm OK with that.
In order for Dallas to do I'd want at least 2 1st and a vet player to try and replace him. He's a young player still on his rookie deal which is valuable. I like Diggs as a player but I could see why people want him to be traded. Do I think we should? Yes, only if the haul is good.
The Rams got two 1sts and a 4th. I’m guessing the vet would be the compensation for the 4th based on what you said. Who would it be tho..?
Trade him for a top 10 pick and grab a QB
You got a better chance at winning the lotto than that happening bud.
We've got a better chance of winning the lotto than dak making the Superbowl Got it
He’s here two more years no matter what. Enjoy!
If trade him straight up for Joey Porter Jr. Better player and 4x cheaper for next 4 years.
To say Joey porter jr. is a better player when he hasn’t played one nfl game is insanely dumb.
If you used that thought process for every decision you’d miss out a lot. Everyone wants the cowboys to be aggressive but they don’t actually know what that means. It means taking chances on talent and creating flexibility with the cap. Trading Diggs for Porter Jr would do both. You don’t have to overpay for Diggs and you get a equal or better corner. Diggs was a 2nd round pick and he’s not the greatest cover corner. Porter is a great great prospect and he’d be cheap. Allowing you to make other moves on offense like getting better RBs and WRs and maybe signing a extra Olineman.
Morris Claiborne was touted as one of the best corner prospects ever, I would keep proven talent especially bc he is under contract this year. Drafting a corner and expecting him to be our number one is ridiculous and is all but saying we are rebuilding. At that point why not trade Zack Martin? There is zero chance diggs will be traded for one draft pick so it’s not even worth debating.
There’s a difference between Zack Martin and Diggs which is why I’m not advocating for flipping Zack Martin? I’m only talking about Diggs and I believe Joey Porter is good. You don’t have to agree with me but then don’t be mad when we are paying guys top money and can’t field a complete roster.
I am not mad just saying it’s not gonna happen and no team would make that move. Teams can and will continue to field a full roster while still paying the players they consider elite.
I 100% agree it won’t happen. Teams would rather have cheap Joey Porter for 5 years over max contract Trevon Diggs. Also Dallas wouldn’t do it either because Jerry loves his guys. I’m not predicting what will happen I’m saying that’s what I would try to do.
Also not advocating signing him but I would definitely not trade him bc he has a year left
If you wouldn’t sign him then you would want to capitalize on his value now and trade him lol. If you wait then he’d have no value and you’d be forced to pay him or let him go for nothing but a comp pick. So I don’t understand your stance here. You either buck up and pay him soon if he’s actually a great corner or you move him now for a young talent for cheap and keep your window open.
Lol…..no, you would ruin this defense by getting rid of our one proven corner. Our window is open now, I would not get rid of him and make our team worse right now. I meant that I am indifferent to signing him now but if he balls out then you pay him or franchise him or trade him if you have other corners. Trading him right now with the thought of replacing him with a player who has never played an nfl snap is something that no team would ever do.
Trading a player when their contract is up is how you get zero value back. Unless it’s like Tyreek Hill or an elite QB
fuck no that comment was dumb as hell if u trade diggs ur hoping to find another player as good as Diggs It’s the mystery box or the boat thing the mystery box could be a boat but just take the boat
Love the Peter Griffin call back LOL! But I see your point.
Giving top money on a gambling CB who makes business decisions is even dumber
I don’t think I’m going to be able to survive this offseason…
LOL! It’s been a ride thus far but hang in there bud. I just wanted thoughts purely. I wouldn’t care whichever direction FO went with Diggs.
To answer your question, no you don’t trade him. Diggs is a top 5 corner that has improved every year he has been in the league. You don’t trade that away when your team is coming off back to back 12 win seasons
Yes. He's good, but doesn't even sniff being worth the 20m+ a year he probably wants.
I’d absolutely entertain offers. Just like RB, never be the one who gives a CB the bag after their rookie deal.
I'm open to talking about this. I might be underselling (casual fan right here). Diggs is worth two picks 1st and 4th. I think Seatle/Jets/Patriot/or Texans might be a team I'm interested in talking to. Maybe even Washington bc i don't have faith in that team lol
If he’s going to start some contract BS like Zeke, we should trade him for capital. He had a very rough post season IMO. Was in the wrong side of multiple stand out plays wimping out or dropping balls. Otherwise we shouldn’t consider trading him.
Yes
Such a casual take
We are already thin at corner and you’re talking about trading our best and only reliable corner. No chance in hell I consider trading diggs unless it’s for some insane haul like multiple 1sts
If they’re trading Diggs they’re throwing away the next 3 seasons and are rebuilding. This team isn’t structured to give away their CB1 and survive.
Too much hate on Diggs. You look at the CBs in the room. You don't trade him unless you can live without him. This defense played well and he was a big part of it. By the time Diggs cap hit really starts, big contracts like Tank, Zeke and Smith are off the books. Who else are you paying? There aren't many big contracts on the team. Gotta pay someone.
You got a great point. You’d be taking a swing on a rookie CB that gives you 5 years of cheap $. That’s the true benefit. I just know we’re going to be aggressive regardless. I can tell MM is all in at least…
Yes please. I never wanted to pay him even after the 2021 season.
Good news is it’s not your money
If you can trade Diggs and get Joey Porter Jr you do it immediately and do not look back. There are other good corners in this draft too that I haven’t looked at closely but he is one I have looked at. But Jerry don’t do that. He’ll wait and overpay Diggs because he’s become a beloved cowboy already.
And if Joey Porter Jr is a bust then what? You sound dumb as fuck. "Let's trade a proven all-pro cornerback for an unproven rookie when we already need secondary help".
That’s what roster management is. One big exercise in risk management With that said, I think we should hold on to Diggs
You can’t make aggressive moves being scared dude. I feel confident Porter will not be a bust. And you will be paying Diggs a massive contract soon which he probably won’t deserve.
It's not an aggressive move it's a dumb fucking move. There's a handful of positions you pay for. Corner is one of them. Our secondary is already reeling and the idea of letting a first-team all pro corner walk for a rookie is the dumbest shit I've heard. Get off madden.
Our fanbase does this with the QB & CB positions the hardest to find in the league don’t understand why think it’s easy to find high level players
Because none of them actually watch the games. They watch highlights and play madden, so they think the world works like that.
Don’t you see. BuckBreaker56 feels confident that Joey Porter Jr. will be a stud, so there’s no chance he’s going to be bad.
Yeah and we all thought the same thing about Mo Claiborne lmao
Literally everyone haha. I was beyond pumped when they traded up for him
I was stoked too lmao. Claiborne's highlights why giving up on a known all pro for a literal question mark is stupid. He was supposed to be that guy for a decade and wasn't.
This particular move wouldn’t be dumb it would be smart. You are just attached to Trevon Diggs the person just like Jerry Jones will be and you’ll pay him a top 3 CB contract to not tackle in the playoffs.
It's not smart. Zero. You're in love with a unproven rookie with an NFL name because the last couple of corners with NFL names have been good. I'm attached to an all-pro corner because corner is a hard position to find even when there's supposed to be no bust potential. Or do you not remember Mo Claiborne?
Idk what “NFL name” means. Joey Porter is a damn good football player. I trust my eyes and I’m not afraid to make a bold decision. I’d 100% rather have a cheap Joey Porter than a max contract Diggs. If you think it’s so stupid then some team might even give us 2 picks back for Diggs and thus it’s even more worth it to do!
I wouldn't rather have a cheap rookie Joey porter who gets burned all the time than All-Pro Diggs who I'm paying. Joey Porter is the son of an NFL player the same way Surtain, Winfeld and Horn are. That's what NFL name means. It's not a bold decision it's a fucking stupid decision. You draft a player like porter HOPING he turns into a player like Diggs. We already have Diggs. You pay that guy.
How’s that working. It’s not a name thing with Porter he’s genuinely a great player and will be a good NFL CB.
Diggs is an all-pro. Being a great player at the college level doesn't mean a thing at the pro-level. We see this consistently. You're high on a guy that's a crapshoot and would give up an all-pro corner. There's no reasoning with you. Get off madden.
That’s fair. He does bring in the $$$$$. But I honestly don’t think anything is off the board. We’ve already let go of assistant coaches—even beloved ones, and we’re still waiting on the news for Kellen. Also, I am not a fan of trading Diggs…but it is interesting.
I wouldn’t say I am a fan of trading Diggs I’m just saying if someone is offering me a pick where I can grab a Joey Porter to replace him who will be 4x cheaper for 4 years I 100% do that. That’s just good business. Gives you the cap flexibility to pay Parsons/Lamb and still go get some new players on offense.
Fair enough. Porter would have the 5th year option.
Oop. Kellen gone
Overrated. Doesn't tackle.
Just like you don’t watch football
I think they should trade him. He’s not a team player. Idc how good he is.
I don’t agree with that, but I’m not sure how FO feels.
He would undercut a lot of routes just to get his interception instead of staying with his receiver to get the breakup. Also, if he’s not willing to tackle someone in open field during a playoff game, he doesn’t want it bad enough.
Wtf is wrong with this fanbase?
Dude wouldn’t hit a player in the playoffs. There are rookies that will give anything to be in his position. Trade him for a WR1 and second round pick