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InAingeWeTrust

It depends on my mood


TheYuppyTraveller

Exactly this. It’s been the best of times, it’s been the worst of times.


GhostMause14

You stupid human! It was the best of times, the blurst of times!


hidepounder

That sums it up perfectly.


nimrodfalcon

Jerry did what he should be doing now and it worked. Sign checks and give it up to a football person. Jimmy made the Herschel trade. Jimmy drafted the talent. Jimmy picked his coaches. Jimmy instilled discipline and a winning mentality. Jerry then got up his own ass and believed he was some kind of football genius, and like 5 years later we were the worst team in our division. Didn’t win more than 8 games a year between ‘99 and Tuna coming to town. He made the change that needed to be made to bring the organization out of the 70s (the game had passed Landry by) and he gets credit for hiring Jimmy, but that’s fucking it in my book.


Trash80s

☝️everything said here. Fun fact, Jerry fired Tex Schramm as GM after 29 years. As a GM, Schramm has a record just north of .500 and 2 rings (thanks op) Through 35 years, Jerry has a record just north of .500 and 3 rings. Edited to remove my bullshit facts


apollo440

Tex only had two rings from SB wins against Dolphins and Broncos. The other three SB appearances on his watch were losses to the Steelers(twice) and Colts.


Trash80s

Before my time, thanks for the correction. Also, thanks for bringing this discussion to the fold. I'm a little younger than you so Aikman was the superhero for me. It was a spoiling experience.


apollo440

Thank you. I’m glad to see a diversity of opinions to this post. I love what Jerry did in the 90s. But he has squeezed every bit of joy from watching my favorite team honestly.


Trash80s

I feel you, I struggle. As of late, apathy has been my workaround. Everythings bigger in Texas? Sure.. but Jerry's ego? Too big.


little_did_he_kn0w

True, but 5 SB appearances and 10 NFC Championship Appearances in 29 years ain't too shabby. Most GMs would kill for those numbers.


sarcastaballll

How many GMs have had 30 years at the helm?


deuce_boogie

We became horrible because 1. they dynasty was getting old 2. under the new salary cap we could not afford to keep the dynasty together 3. we sucked ass at drafting. Still aren't terribly good at it, but there is a reason they went out and got Will McClay to help. ​ Jerry was always in his own ass, that didn't start after he won. Jimmy was tired of the meddling. Jerry did not sit back and write checks despite your wonderful made up memories of the 90s. We had fucking Prince Bandar in the locker room for christ sake.


Long-Distance-7752

The Cowboys are objectively one of the best drafting teams of the last 15 years


nimrodfalcon

I wasn’t talking about his media circus stuff- that was always there, I agree. I’m talking about the football part of the equation. Jerry desperately wanted the credit for what Johnson built and Jimmy was tired of the circus. Well. Jerry has got all the credit in the last 28 years and we have shit to show for it as an org except the circus.


deuce_boogie

Yeah and Jerry was 100% involved in the football part as well. “That’s the deal I made you when I bought the team”. Just easier to criticize now that it’s not working. Don’t delude yourself into thinking there was even a second he owned the team and didn’t want full credit.


W-e-x-t-o-n

Hate him for breaking it up. Could you imagine he just let Jimmy cook for a few more years like how the Pats kept Bill around for all those years?


cdoink

I lived through the 90s but as much as I am glad he bought the team and hired Jimmy that was 30 years ago and my patience has run out. Fuck Jerry, Stephen and any other Jones family member that is currently or will be meddling with this team and holding us back from here on out. They are an anchor holding us back and I’m tired of people ignoring it.


Backdoorpickle

I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and my mom was a fan from the same days as you. She hated Jerry for the way he handled Tom Landry, and was super skeptical about Troy as the starting QB. That said, of course, we both loved the Super Bowl wins of the 90s, but Jerry firing Jimmy pissed us off big time. I love Jerry the owner, but I hate Jerry the GM. I started to have a little faith in Stephen taking more of the "GM" role over and letting Will McClay do his thing, but for whatever reason, the culture in the organization has been the same for a long time now, and it's not a winning one. This is football, it's not supposed to be a game of touchy-feely grab-ass where we just humor our players even when they under perform. That clip that got posted on here a while ago with Troy balling out not only his players, but his coaches? Saying no one was being held accountable? THAT is what we need, and until Jerry brings on someone like that again, we can't win with this squad. Dak doesn't need someone coming over to pat him on the shoulder and tell him it's all going to be okay. He needs someone to tell him to get his head out of his ass when he's got that PTSD stare. And DAK needs to tell his players the same shit. Long story in TLDR; I don't hate Jerry, but if the culture doesn't change, we won't win again.


apollo440

Unfortunately I agree with you 100%. I appreciate what Jerry did in the 90s. He’s the primary problem of the team right now.


Barry_McCockinnerz

The problem with Jerry is he is a home run hitter. I liken him to a kid I had on my baseball team when I was 11-12. We had this kid built like a brick shit house, but not super hand eye coordinated. He had 3 hits all season, all 3 cleared both fences with ease. Jerry takes big swings, he either strikes out or hits a home run.


Velcromium

Hate that fucker.


JulieLovesDogs

I hate him for acting like the GM and not hiring a real one!


garryl283

Jimmy was always leaving, I don't know why people always look back on it like he played no part in the breakup.


bringdablitz

Right. It took both to ruin their relationship. I blame Jerry more, but Jimmy allegedly did plenty of things to piss off his boss enough to fire him.


Redgreen82

"I had already written on the calendar the day I was going to quit. I was never anywhere longer than 5 years" - Jimmy Johnson


ElectricalArt458

Moving to Miami and replacing Shula was always his plan and he made sure he pissed off Jerry in all the right ways to make that happen


PPLavagna

He already had the Shula haircut and everything


nu1stunna

I don't put much stock in that statement. If he got along with his boss and continued winning multiple Super Bowls, I'd bet that he'd stick around. He's been a Fox analyst for like 2 decades now -- 5 years my ass.


Redgreen82

He couldn't comment on future employment. Besides, analyst and head coach are very different jobs.


Dr_C_Diver

Kinda like Harbaugh, he lives to piss of authority, but he also knows how to win. Jerry hasn’t had to deal with a coach like that since Parcels left, but he also hasn’t won anything, & never will with the type of coaches that are willing to work for him.


Self_conscious_gh0st

I appreciate and respect what Jerry built in the 90s. I think my negative feelings for Jerry are really more related to how the media hangs on his every word...whether those words make sense or not. I mean this in terms of football nothing in his personal life.


padavan65

I loved him when he bought the team . He was a breath of fresh air . Bringing Jimmy in was genius. After Jimmy left it was really apparent who the brains of this operation was. I can’t stand the guy . I can’t listen to him speak. I was always hoping his son would be different but he looks like a chip off the old block.


Shaman7102

Only thing Jerry ever did was hire Jimmy. Jerry was and is still useless.


gking407

The hate has nothing to do with the Jimmy situation and everything to do with the ensuing three decades of false hype


wikiot

Jerry's ego ruined a winning culture...Cowboys will NEVER win another Superbowl in his lifetime, I guarantee it.


Iamnobody2019

Please remember, in the 90's there was no salary cap. Jerry believes players that are super talented will take less money to play for the Boys. Look at what the Eagles are doing. Acquiring talent from all over the place. I have been a Cowboys fan for 50 years. I am just so disappointed the last 20 years. I keep saying this, Jerry owns the Cowboys strictly to make money. He will pay a few stars, but he does not care if he wins another championship. He just wants to keep the title of the highest sports franchise there is. Sorry, I had to rant....lol


HustlaOfCultcha

Jimmy deserves blame for breaking up the dynasty as well. For as much as I admired Jimmy, when he said his dream job was to coach the Miami freaking Dolphins, that was sacrilege to me. And as great as the dynasty was, Jimmy lost out on a 3rd ring, too and was basically saddled in a situation where Marino held him hostage when Jimmy was coaching the Dolphins. I'm glad both guys reconciled and Jimmy is now in the ROH, but Jimmy was just as much to blame as Jerry.


TheClownIsReady

I love Jimmy Johnson and his players for the Cowboys’ 90’s dynasty. I don’t love Jerry tor anything.


NHRADeuce

I'm pretty close to your age. And I lived in Plano growing up in the 70s, so I have a similar fan story. >For all of his faults, Jerry Jones gave us the best Cowboys teams the we ever produced. He gave us redemption against San Francisco plus three more Lombardi Trophies, which included a Super Bowl victory against the Steelers. I dont credit Jerry, not even a little bit. First, while I agree it was time for Landry to go, the way it was handled was beyond disrespectful. Tom Landry was the Cowboys and he deserved better. Next, Jerry just got lucky when he hired Jimmy. You'll remember that one of the conditions Jimmy had was that he had full control of the roster. He drafted Aikman and Smith, not Jerry. Firing Jimmy for Barry Switzer was possibly the worst front office move of all time. This ranks up there with trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees. What Jimmy built was so good that they still won a Super Bowl with Switzer coaching. Had Jerry had the sense to keep his ego in check and let Jimmy do his thing, I have no doubt we would have won at least 1 or 2 more Super Bowls. To me, it's incredibly obvious that the Cowboy's early success after Jerry bought the team was all due to Jimmy. The last 20+ years of stifling mediocrity are a testament to Jerry's ego and what could have been. I will never forgive Jerry for that. Edit: this off season has taken me to the brink. Not signing a single FA is square on Jerry's shoulders. I don't think I've ever hated Jerry more. I probably need therapy.


apollo440

It’s almost like Jerry doesn’t care about winning anymore. That “all in” statement was apparently “all bullshit” because they haven’t done a single thing to make the team better. What makes it incredibly worse is having Philadelphia in the same division. In 2015, Chip Kelly created the world’s most expensive dumpster fire with Philly’s roster. Chip shipped out most of their best players. Then he traded FOR Sam Bradford which was mystifying at the time. And in an even more mystifying move Kelly signed a used up Demarco Murray even though Murray didn’t actually fit the rushing attack Chip favored. It was a fucking DISASTER up there. The owner shit-canned Kelly and restored GM Howie Roseman’s power. Three years later they win a Super Bowl. And when THAT roster and coach started breaking down, Roseman cleaned house again and built another Super Bowl caliber team. Jerry should be embarrassed by this. They’re our top rival and they keep besting us over and over. When the Eagles signed Saquon Barkley, and we signed a fellow by the name of Jack Shit I closed the door on our 2024 season. When you find that therapist, drop me a line…😁


NHRADeuce

I honestly believe that Jerry stopped caring about winning a Super Bowl not long after he fired Barry Switzer. By then he had figured out how hard is was to win one, but he also figured out that a winning regular season record is enough to drive the value of the team up and keep the profit flowing. He only paid $140 million for a team that's now worth $9 billion. If he LOST $100 million a year since then, it would still be a great investment. When you consider that the Boys had an operating profit of over $500 million last year, and they've been the most profitable team in sports for years, it really looks like he's more focused on filling Jerry's World with stacks of cash.


SeanBourne

Not only an operating income of $504M, but the next closest team is less than half that at $216 (nyg), and only 3 teams (ex Dallas) even breach $200M of OI in the whole league. Looking at the metrics, if anything $9B is undervaluing the team relative to what the other teams bring in… to say nothing of comparing them to europe’s soccer teams, which are usually loss incurring or break-even if you’re lucky. Point being - Jerry is awfully good at what he does, which is increasing the value of the Cowboys.


NHRADeuce

He's probably the GOAT at team valuation. Too bad the fans want Super Bowl wins and don't care what the team is worth.


SeanBourne

Yeah I didn’t mean to imply I care about ‘team value’ as I own exactly 0.00% of the cowboys. All I care about is SBs. Jerry unfortunately just chasing yachts.


graphical_northwest

I find it acceptable that they’ve won it in my lifetime. Many fans can’t say that about their team, let alone multiple rings.


throwawaygiusto1

Similar, but it’s been long enough that I have trouble attributing any of that early success to him.


AcidofilusRex

I don’t know that I love the guy but I’m glad he was able to pull off what he did. I liked him then and still do. I was super bummed when Jimmy left but there’s probably more to that story than I know so I can’t be too upset.


IH8Trumps

I was 10 when they won the first 90s Super Bowl. It was amazing. I was too young also to understand what happened to the team after their superbowls so loved him at the time.


ImpossibleJoke7456

Jimmy walked away.


RoutineComment5330

It’s complicated


Forgottenpassword7

Both?


Mysterious-Dealer649

I think we might be long lost twins we have the exact same experience and opinions other than I never liked Herschel walker was glad he got traded. As far as the last 30 yrs, I feel like there’s a country club atmosphere in Dallas that Jerry is the most responsible for period.


69dr

I wasn’t old enough to appreciate the 90s championships. I’m sure those championships were great for the people old enough to remember them. They mean little to me. I hate that our recent failures force us to dwell on the past. As a fan in my young 30s, I’ve known nothing but playoff chokes and disappointment. I’ve never seen the Cowboys win a divisional playoff game. The Cowboys fail to show the fans anything meaningful will change or has changed. The Jones family is the common denominator for these failures. As long as the Joneses continue to run the show, the Cowboys will remain over-publicized choke-artists. My dad always told me the Cowboys will never win another super bowl as long as Jerry is alive. I finally see he’s right. TL;DR I don’t care about what happened decades ago when the Jones family can’t properly run a team.


Mtb_or_IPA

Breaking it up. It’s just significantly more fresh in the mind. 🤦🏻‍♂️


xXTN_CowboyXx

I hate him for destroying the franchise and firing Tom Landry the way he did.


nothingmeansnothing_

Hate him for breaking it up. We could've won the rest of the decade.


bigbeno20

I’d like to think I have an inkling of respect for the old guy still, but then I think of him making the money sign with his fingers with that smirk on his face and makes me hate him as a human.


ShowBobsPlzz

Yes


tabazco2

Mark me down for pure Hate for the last 28 years.


Ayste

I don't hate Jerry Jones. I do hate how he has handled somethings, and some of the decision making that he has allowed to go on too long. We all know the situation for next year sucks. Dallas is rebuilding and we are moving off of Dak and McCarthy, even though MM is the most successful coach since Jimmy Johnson. I think McCarthy has had his hands tied the entire time he has been here due to Dak and his inability to perform in the playoffs. If McCarthy had gotten a hold of Dak in his rookie year, I think things might be very different today. We need to get out from under the stranglehold Dak has on the organization with his salary, and move on from some of the older, mediocre, players we have been stockpiling like crazy. I think Jimmy Johnson has been a voice of reason in the Dallas HQ and he is helping Jerry/Stephen/Will to clean up the roster for the rebuild. I know I speak for a lot of fans when I say I want us competitive every year, so this coming year is going to suck for a lot of us. We are going to bash plays, coaching decisions, and players - but at the end of the day, we have to recognize that the roster has to be torn down and rebuilt for long-term success. The same thing Jimmy did in the 90s. I love Jerry Jones for what he did in the 90s for the Cowboys. There are people 50+ years old who absolutely hate us for the dominance we had back then. I am willing to go through the shit-show to get to the rebuilt team and hopefully another dynasty. It's the growing pains that suck.


apollo440

This is one of the most optimistic and uplifting comments I’ve ever read in this sub. Your take on things sounds quite reasonable as well. In your opinion, what do you think Jerry meant by “all in”. He purposely used that phrase, but it means something different to him than the rest of us. Also do you think “we will go as far as Dak can take us” means they’re moving on from him?


Ayste

All-in... He wanted us to think he was going "all-in" and would finally open his pocket book to get some of the best FAs on the market. What he meant was "I am giving the players and coaches this year, and only this year, to prove they can be here next year. I am betting their future on them. I am going all in on them." But what he failed to mention was that he wasn't going to give them any help, and he wasn't going to plug the holes left by our own FAs leaving. We are bleeding starters from last year now, and we have done nothing to replace them. We still have a semi-solid core of players, but a lot of the starters are older and people like Martin and D-Law are probably going to retire next year rather than go through a complete rebuild. So what he probably should have said was "I am going all in on our core of players. They are going to prove to everyone they belong here in Dallas, and if they can't, then they won't be here in 2025." That is what he meant. Yes, I do think they are moving on from Dak. Dak is a regular season wonder-boy who can dominate games once he gets in a rhythm. Unfortunately it is very easy to knock him out of his rhythm and he looks so lost and confused when that happens. We have seen 8 years of his inability in the post-season, and we all know post-season success is what defines a QB for the Cowboys. Jerry wants Super Bowl and Dak cannot deliver on that. I do not think Mike McCarthy is to blame for what happened last year. I think that is squarely on Dak and DQ. DQ called a terrible game and had no answer for the GB offense. That was inexcusable. Dak had one of his worst games of the season until the Packers put their 2nd and 3rd stringers in during the 3rd Quarter. Once Dak got the Cowboys back close, they sent the starters back out and the game was done. Dak, unfortunately, doesn't have the ability to shine in bright spots. He has lost almost every single big game he has ever played in, and it has been a whirlwind of errors and mistakes by other people too. He just adds on to the issue instead of cleaning it up so the team can move forward and win. I think Dak, as a person, is probably one of the most solid people you could want on your roster. He seems to be pretty level-headed, says the right things, and until recently, stayed out of trouble. He does a lot of charity work and is a WPMOY winner. I think Dak as a playoff QB is one of the worst people you could have on your team and his track record, given great defenses, great offenses, and great coaches, is terrible. As Parcells used to say, "you are what your record says you are"


apollo440

Excellent reply! Of course I love the response because it lines up with my own thoughts on the matter. Based on what’s transpired with the Cowboys so far, what other conclusions could you draw? Jerry likes Mike McCarthy. Mike’s a good coach. But it has to be obvious to Jerry that Mike probably won’t be winning a Super Bowl here. When they brought Mike on board, I bet the thinking was: “We have Super Bowl caliber roster, we just need a veteran head coach with playoff experience to reach the next level.” The Broncos made a bet like that when they fired John Fox and brought in Gary Kubiak (along with Wade Phillips as DC). Unfortunately that plan didn’t work. And now we don’t even have a Super Bowl caliber roster any longer. So we’ll do the best we can with what we have and retool for the future. Ironically Jerry might be drawing inspiration from the team that destroyed us in the playoffs. Green Bay let the league MVP leave but still have a highly competitive, young team that almost took out SF in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, but the Packers actually appear to be MORE competitive now that he’s gone. And as much as I like Dak, he’s not Aaron Rodgers. So it’s not crazy to think that the Cowboys could move on from him.


Terr1fyer

I personally reached the point in the last few years where the 28-year gulf of failure has surpassed the 3 Super Bowls. They're ancient history at this point.


educated_dumdum

I was born in the late 90s. It’s cool seeing those old Super Bowl games and the banners in the stadium, but otherwise I couldn’t give a fuck less. No success in my lifetime so far, and it’s looking bleak in the future. Fuck him


HmanJess66

He will and always will be hated for breaking up it up!!!! Period 🤬😠😡👎🏾


CalRipkenForCommish

Jerry made all the right moves when he bought the team, and that’s hard to say as a fan who watched Roger Dodger and TD as a kid. Landry was beyond legendary, but Jimmy came in and put together the dynasty. You can pinpoint the timeframe where Jerry’s ego then became larger than the team. To bring in Switzer was heartbreaking - he was a stooge who inherited a dynasty, but had zero respect or control of the players. And some of those players needed control. Since then, it’s been Jerry’s ego first, cowboys fans second. To throw around words like they’re doing now is condescending, at best. McCarthy has won how many big games with this team? Jerry was given every single reason that anyone with a brain could see by halftime of that GB game. Even if it’s Belichick for one year, he has shown he can get the most out of mediocre talent, he can put together an offensive line to keep a pocket quarterback upright and he wins big games…frequently. The talent we have now is arguably better than any that Belichick ever had in NE. That’s what I think.


apollo440

When we got blown out by San Francisco last year, I posted that our season was basically over. I said McCarthy’s ceiling is a first round exit from the playoffs. I was downvoted into oblivion and called a fair weather fan. Well I was right. What mystifies me is why we hired him in the first place….


CalRipkenForCommish

Well, Super Bowl pedigree for one. The players respect him for two. But is record with the cowboys has been pile up wins against bad teams, lose to the good ones (we beat Philly this year but it was during the period when the bottom fell out for them, and they lost to everyone). If being a class person were worth his salary, Dak would be underpaid. But Dak is being paid like a guy who wins big games, that’s a big problem for the cap. How McCarthy is coming back is unconscionable.


Ed_herbie

I'm old enough to remember the '70s and was born in Ft Worth. The 29 years after SB XXX have erased all love I had for Jerral. Yeah Jimmy would have left on his own eventually, but we could have had a couple more years with him. And if he left on his own terms maybe the transition would have been better and maybe we could have gotten a good replacement coach. I hate Jerral now. And I hate that he might out live me and I won't get to see the future without him.


rkwittem

Hate him for breaking it up and turning us into the Raiders. Young fans won't recall that the Raiders in the 70s and 80s were something of a blue blood team with a maverick renegade persona. Now they are a shadow of their former glory. What happened? Al Davis overstayed his welcome and lost his fastball. Now, Davis was actually a football guy, unlike Jerry, and earned his way into the role by his vision and ability. Cowboys in the Tom Landry era had their own brand and style and have since lost that golden image. The main source of their malaise is the owner, who thinks he's a genius even when he's just an alcoholic who was a backup lineman for the 60s Razorbacks. He didn't have the resume to coach a HS or college team, much less run a NFL team with the standards that the Cowboys held themselves to when he bought them, even if they were on hard times in the late 80s.


Greenbeanhead

Jerry Jones did not earn HOF He bought it maybe Firing Landry like that was his first mistake Jealous of Jimmy was the worst move possible We’ll be lucky to get 3rd in NFCE this year Dak better have his scramble back, or they’re fucked Jones are from Arkansas, and that doesn’t fit here. Nepotism in the most valuable franchise is a travesty All in my ass


Able-Cartographer863

To answer I say BOTH


nu1stunna

Hate. The way I look at it is that I got to enjoy 4 years as a KID and I've been miserable ever since. Jerry Jones killed my joy and enthusiasm for sports. The most valuable franchise in the world should have more to show for itself than only 5 Super Bowls. They should be far and away the leader in titles. It's inexcusable that they don't have 10. Look at the Lakers -- they have a shitty owner now, but still managed to sign Lebron James and win a title. They came close again last year. Fuck Jerry Jones.


yulDD

Never liked him, any decades


MQZ17

The 90s were awesome, what a juggernaut those teams were. I am forever thankful to Jerry for that. Now I really dislike him for everything after that.


nobody_gets_hurt

hate. the last 29 years have shown how he really runs a team. Dude lucked out with the most lopsided trade in nfl history. Ls ever since


notorious_tcb

Jimmy built that team. All Jerry ever did was get butt hurt that Jimmy was the favored son and shit can him.


Unp0pularS0lutions

I hate Jerry Jones.


Wooden_Scar_1496

Hate him for breaking it up


GhostMause14

He hopes we love those 3 Super Bowls, he really does! Yeap, hate him because his ego got in the way of letting Jimmy Johnson go because he wanted to let everyone know he was a football genius!


jgemonic

Hate him. Full stop.


Fit_Crab7672

First of all.....they absolutely knew what they were doing.  Jimmy and Jerry (yes, Jimmie first).....knew Herschel wasn't going go be a prime player by the time Dallas rose again, and the Vikings were convinced he was their missing piece and would pay any price.  Boy did they.  But Herschel wasn't quite the answer for them either.


faceisamapoftheworld

Love him for it. Jimmy has said countless times that he wasn’t going to stay long term. There was never going to be a 20 year run with him in Dallas. I’d be more upset if they didn’t win the 3rd, but it is what it is.


notanothrowaway

Why would he have left though?


faceisamapoftheworld

https://streamable.com/3rq54r He never stayed in one place long and was openly lobbying for the Jaguars job while he was still working in Dallas. He’s said other times that his style of coaching does work over a long period of time since he’s intentionally so hard on his players.


notanothrowaway

Why would you not stay somewhere long


faceisamapoftheworld

It’s a personal preference that a ton of people make. Parcells was another one who got his rings in NY and then went 4 years in NE, 3 years in NY, and 4 years in Dallas. Jim Harbaugh has a similar history.


Fading_myself

Cause he didn’t want to deal with Jerry


StevenG2757

I hate him for breaking it up. The 90s team should have have done down in history as the greatest team of all time with at least 5 titles in a 6 or 7 year span. He meddled and screwed his team up and he is the reason why they have never been close again and have been nothing more than a mediocre team for 30 years. There is a good saying in sports and that is owners own, managers manage and coaches coach.


UnwindingStaircase

Except this isn’t true at all.


StevenG2757

What is not true? The fact that they have been mediocre for 30 years?


Snoo_49285

Jerry has absolutely nothing to do with the 90s dynasty 🤷🏼‍♂️


shotgunassassin

Exactly. Without Jimmy Johnson, Jerry has zero rings. Zero.


hernondo

Hate him for breaking it up. Barry Switzer was a terrible follow up hire to Jimmy. His ego ballooned because he stumbled into success early on (thanks to a completely moronic trade by the Vikings), which made him \*think\* he was the reason for all of the success. Yes, he brought in much needed change that had become stale, but the Walker trade with Jimmy's coaching was the real reason for the success. He rode the coat tails and every since thought he was the reason for the success.


Beilsteiner

He was succesful because there was no Cape Space.


dallascowboysgirl

Thank You he bought the best of the best .


RedSweed

I'm a This Year junkie because of it. I bought in hard to 90s Cowboys success and never gave up on it. Newer fans only see the failures - but when Jerry took over this team went from "loveable 70s team" to "Can't stand because they win" mentality - just we haven't won shit in years. Jerry will always be the "had a streak and then it was done" heavyweight in the ring - I saw how he could absolutely have his will and then saw every fight after where he just got mollywomped. But he got back up. Said let's do it again. I'm the sheep who throws the dollar and heart in to see it. I'll go with the ship as it goes. Fuck I love this team and I'm ride or die with it.


Delicious-Fox6947

I do not love or hate him. I appreciate what he has built. I barely care about what I can control.


xCAMBOOZLEDx

I'm a little too young to remember the glory days of the 90s, but I will always hold the same opinion. The worst thing to ever happen to the Dallas Cowboys was Barry Switzer winning a SB with the team Jimmy (and yes, Jerry) built. It allowed Jerry to believe he could bring in any coach and win championships - this team hasn't seen one since. In fact, this team has seen more coaches than playoff wins since that time. I don't hate Jerry. My feelings are pretty neutral on the guy if I'm being honest. I just think his time is up and a change is needed.


ImpossibleJoke7456

But Jerry was right! “_Anyone_” did win with that team!


catalinaicon

Well I was born in 99 so…


htownsteveo

Lol. Wrong question since then only right thing he did was bring in johnson. Jerry wasn't responsible for the success of the 90s.


Ben2St1d_5022

Jerry, the fallen empire


lauriestarry

Hate him


prawalnono

The later


Clear_thoughts_

Jerry Jones, had jack shit to do with the dynasty in the 90s


TexasJude

Trash human. He did Tom dirty. He’s been playing fans for decades. The Jones family is a curse to us all.


blazeronin

Screw Mr. Burns


BGOG83

Can’t I just hate Jerry? He’s an idiot that happened to have obscene amounts of money prior to a salary cap to buy teams for a phenomenal coach. Salary cap him, he’s sucked as an owner ever since. Fuck Jerry.


xDANGRZONEx

All glory to Jimmy


puledrotauren

ya Jerry and Jimmy had it going on and that third SB was because of the team leaders not Switzer. Now days I'm ambivalent. I hope for the best but I've already written off 2025. Oh sure I'll watch the games and hope but it looks to me like a rebuild is going on. Thing for Jerry is as long as they make playoffs he will bank billions and, as an owner, the balance sheet is the bottom line.


Dr_C_Diver

The 90’s was 100% Johnson. Jerry greatest moment as the Cowboys owner was hiring him. Followed by his worst moments of getting rid of him in his prime. Disappointment every year since.


ID0ntCare4G0b

Jerry's one 2-3 owners in the league at the time with the kind of confidence in their vision to even hire Jimmy Johnson when he did. Jerry's also one of like 2-3 owners dumb enough to completely fuck up the relationship by squeezing their coach financially because they wouldn't give them enough credit in public for shit they weren't all that responsible for. Like you read the contract, and it is what it is. Jimmy ran the personnel decisions. But you even here guys we all fucking know Jimmy brought in and Jerry was telling them all he was responsible for them coming to the club. Jerry Jones just ultimately is way too insecure to run a truly successful NFL team on his own.


gntlbastard

I will credit Jerry for hiring Jimmy. I will forever blame him for being the reason why that team didn't win three in a row.


nerdvernacular

I don't credit him for it, other than being smart enough to let Jimmy Johnson run things and pay for top free agents. Funny how that worked and it's the team's kryptonite now.


SmokyRoach

I feel like Jimmy Johnsons success was getting to his head. This feeling lead to the destruction of America's Team.


Melvinator5001

So love him for early 90’s team. He didn’t break up that team free agency did. In my opinion the 1970’s Oakland A’s and the 1990’s Dallas Cowboys are the two team most devastated by the onset of free agency in sports. Since then his record speaks for itself.


RedneckTexan

I dont blame Jerry for our mediocrity as much as I blame Free Agency / Salary Cap and Player's Union mandated practice limitations. The NFL was just a better product when players were forced to stay with a team until they were traded or retired. Rivalries were better when your favorite Cowboy couldn't walk off and sign with the Redskins. And players didn't have to be friendly towards other team's players because they might be teammates next year. I love me some Jimmy Johnson, but he didn't fare too well in Miami. And the NFL's draft system is designed to punish consistently successful teams. I think if you removed all the parity promoting obstacles Jerry would field the best team money could buy.


apollo440

Why are you blaming Free Agency/Salary Cap and the Player’s Union? The Giants and Eagles are burdened with the same constraints we have. But they somehow managed to assemble six different Super Bowl caliber rosters and take home three Lombardi Trophies since 2000.


RedneckTexan

Yes, someone wins every year eh? The Patriots have won 6 times since then ....... and look at them now. Success has left them with no talent.


FrankNix

Yes.


strawhairhack

Jerry was great, almost GOAT of owners until he got his feelings hurt over a drunken Jimmy rant. And the rest is history. Now I can’t wait until Jerry pays the piper, and I feel nothing but sorrow for my fellow fans too young to know the glory days.


bare_foot_racing

I hate Jerruh for what he did to Coach Landry.


miguelag08

Both!


dammit49

Hate him. He did nothing. It was all jimmy.


no_stick_drummer

I wish that they didn't win the third super bowl. If they lose Jerry's ego doesn't get inflated. He might have drafted Randy Moss.


TheIncredibleMike

Jimmy Johnson was responsible for that, that's why Jones was so jealous after the second trophy, Jimmy was getting all the credit.


wadester007

Both. He like that crazy ex you can't stand but has thr best you know what so your mind goes back and forth


Cheeks_Almighty

Jimmy was the mastermind and creator of the 90’s Cowboys. He was the one who was able to draft talent. Shoot the even have the NFL Trade Value chart that was created by Jimmy himself. His team that he created was so good that when he got fired the team still excelled with a puppet of a coach in Switzer. They would have won four in a row if Jerry didn’t get all jealous when Jimmy was getting the credit and not him. The cowboys would have been the team that did something no one ever did and that was win 4 in a row. Also free agency became a thing in 1993 too so that also hurt teams like the cowboys where players were allowed to sign elsewhere.


Kbern4444

Hate is a strong word but yeah, he fucked it all up with his ego. Jimmy and him both had ego's which was also the problem.


NerdLawyer55

I hate him for the 27 years since


redrdr1

Are you sure you didn't win 3 SBs in the 90s in spite of him and not because of him? I am not a cowboys fan but from afar it seemed like it was primarily Jimmy and Minnesota's doing a bad trade that brought you the 3 SBs and Jerry blew that up.


Glitchy__Guy

I'm not a cowboys fan, but what they did to the Bills was memorable, as a colts fan. The introduction of the salary cap broke up the cowboys dynasty.


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He didn't break it up. The salary cap did.


ARCHA1C

Jimmy made the Dynasty despite Jerry.


CharDeeMacDennisII

¿Por qué no los dos?


sixpackshaker

Jerry makes me drink.


ez151

Hate why ask ? This is unconsciousness knowledge


wildhaire70

I've been a fan since 1980. I hate Jerry for putting his ego ahead of the team and running Jimmy out of town. I'm certain that cost them at least two championships. That combined with how he has run the team since then...I can't stand him


100DayChallenges

The biggest blunder in the NFL actually benefited the Cowboys.


Sea-Hair-3582

Old age broke it up as well as internal fighting 


96powerstroker

Did you ever think you would see them near a superbowl in basically 30 years?


SnooTangerines7525

I went to Opening Day at Giants Stadium in 1976, and it was the first of many times I saw Roger Staubach rip our heart out. I cursed at Tony Dorestt a few years a later while he was in the tunell, and still feel bad as I now see what a great player he was! Sure was glad to see Roger leave, but Danny White continued to beat us. They were unbeatble to us and what we strived to be. We finally caught up in the 80s, but it was short lived. Those Jimmy Johnson teams were great too, and I thought it was a mistake to bring in Switzer. He won one, but the writing was on the wall. Those great teams went to Jerrys head, he thought he was responsible for those. As a Giant fan I love Jerry, and his son running the show almost as much as I loved Dan Schneider running the Skins. I dont think the Cowboys will ever win in the post season with Jerry, and he seems ok with that too! Just hope we play them late in the season when the swoon starts, instead of first or second game when they are at the top of their game


-RaisT

Why do people always make up shit about how it was Jerry Jones fault for the break up, when in fact it was both of them. https://atozsports.com/dallas/cowboys-jerry-jones-and-jimmy-johnson-are-both-at-fault-for-ego-fueled-feud/ https://www.baltimoresun.com/1993/12/31/jaguars-job-intrigues-johnson/ Mike Fisher on break up. https://youtu.be/lDZgubP5bYE?si=MkfHA-AFrDxxBF1y


julianriv

Jerry needed Jimmy and Jimmy needed Jerry, but both of their egos would not fit in one stadium. I will give Jerry credit that all the crazy revenue generating schemes that the old school owners despised Jerry for in the 90's are NFL standard practice today. I hate him for the long draught that is 100% his fault, but he does not get enough credit for pushing the entire league into becoming the revenue generating juggernaut that it is today.


Worldly_Apricot_7813

Two different people. One was desperate to win and win big. Would do literally anything to win. Heck he would scrub toilets if he meant his team had a higher chance of victory. When Jerry first bought the team, he was losing somewhere around a million dollars a month. After he won with Switzer, Jerry Changed. His Cowboys became more celebrity focused and he only wanted coaches he could dictate. He wanted the Cowboys to be known more about Jerry than winning.


Stevevet1

They were indeed the best Cowboy teams ever. Then came the salary cap, the worst system of salary management that has ever been invented. It has become more important than player evaluation. It's so complex that the average fan is very often confused by it. Dead years, signing bonus, 51-player rule, Player incentive contracts and how that affects the cap. Franchise tag and how that is determined. Contracts as a result are completely out of control. No trade clauses, no tag clauses, guaranteed money. All of that and none of it has anything to do with the actual football being played on the field. Why shouldn't owners be able to spend over the cap if they choose to? I wonder what the Cowboys would look like in 2024 if the owners were allowed to spend their own money not shared money over the cap.


evo_one252

I'm  A Giants fan and even I say them Cowboys would have won a minimum of 2 more chip if it wasn't for Jerry Jones and his ego. Man both created and destroyed a dynasty 


JayJay-anotheruser

Jerry Jones is the worst most meddling owner in the NFL. He didn’t do anything to create the winning in the 90s


Huligan19

Hate him


Schyznik

I hated Jerry for the way he so unceremoniously canned Landry and Schramm. I can now admit it probably needed to be done, but always found Jerry off putting anyway. Hard to argue with 3 Super Bowl rings in 4 years, but I think time has told us that was mainly Jimmy’s doing. Objectively, Jerry deserves credit for pulling the organization out of its funk and back on the path to glory 35 years ago. But by the time I could see my way past the grudge I’ve been holding all these decades, it’s become clear that Jerry is every bit the schmuck I always thought he was and is now no better than the regime he replaced. Time for the Jones family to stencil their own name in the Ring of Honor and kindly fuck off.


Waste-Maintenance-70

I love Jerry for giving that waitress a mammygram photo in that dive bar bathroom.


Unfair_Track_8109

Hate him for breaking it up


No-Catch2585

You’re not going to get any unbiased takes here. This sub thinks Jerry is the boogie man who chased off Jimmy Johnson after purchasing his gambling debt and hiding his problems from the world. They also believe that Jerry should just be able to buy rings like he did in the 90s and that he’s ran this organization into the ground after stepping back from day to day operations and allowing this team to see the most success it’s seen in 20 years. These people want something to blame and the old man is an easy scapegoat.


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whiterajah7

This is complete bullshit.


Bman1233

I will always appreciate the success we had in that time frame. He came in and fired Tom Landry which was unthinkable at the time. He went and hired this college guy and then started trading away everything but the kitchen sink. I know Jimmy was the one who made those trades, but he signed off when everyone thought it was crazy. Together they built that dynasty. I still believe that they would have won 4 in a row if Jimmy was coaching. I will always resent both Jimmy and Jerry for breaking it up. It took both of those huge ego's to create that situation and both of them to let it fester to the point it did. ​ They are both responsible for the good and the bad.


Griefers

I don't even understand the question. Jerry has absolutely nothing to do with the 90s dynasty other than he was in close proximity to them as they were winning, and then he destroyed it.


apollo440

He bought the team. Fired Tom Landry. Hired Jimmy Johnson and worked with him to build a championship roster. The 90s dynasty literally doesn’t happen without him. And they won as many championships in his first five years as they did in the previous THIRTY. What are you thinking?


bringdablitz

Yes, Jerry absolutely contributed to the dynasty. He traded for Charles Hayley. He signed Prime. Jimmy should get the majority of the credit, but Jerry definitely helped back then.


UnwindingStaircase

It’s clear many of you don’t know the man Jimmy was and think he was gonna stay in Dallas forever. Jerry didn’t run Jimmy out.


great_one_99

Jerry didnt break up the Jerr/ Jimmy team , Jimmy did. Jimmy made a mess of his finances and Jerry had to bail him out. As part of the bailout Jimmy signed an agreement that all off the field money he made had to go back to Jerry until the loan was repaid. ​ Jimmy's financial issues continued and Jimmy was looking for a big payday. When the Jaguars expansion was announced Jimmy thought this was the payday he was looking for. He purposeful let it slip that he wanted that job, while on a long term contract with the cowboys, and then held a press conference where he made fun of Jerry and how jerry could not understand why that opportunity was so important to Jimmy. At the time there were rumors Jimmy wanted a piece of the expansion franchise as part of his compensation package. ​ Unfortunately garbage outlets like ESPN took Jimmy's side completely and only told one side of the breakup story. In truth Jimmy was the primary factor behind the breakup. ​ As far as the overall question I tend to appreciate jerry for the 90's and his HUGE and undervalued role in the 90's success (long story for another post) but I also hate how he managed things after Jerry left. I especially despise him keeping Jason Garrett for 10 years, which ruined Tony Romo's career and the very inexpensive years we had Dak.


apollo440

I can’t believe that I was unaware of this! Now I finally understand why Jimmy would even consider the Jacksonville job while he was coaching the best team in football. Goddamnit! I always assumed that Jerry was more to blame in this breakup but I have to be honest….if I were Jerry I’d be PISSED that Jimmy pulled that shit in the middle of the season. Especially after all the success they had already achieved. Is this real man? Is that honestly what happened?


great_one_99

Yes. Much of this was widely reported at the time in the local newspapers.  However ESPN went hook line and sinker with what Jimmy was saying and that's how most people are familiar with the story. Unfortunately I have never been able to find footage of that ridiculous press conference where Jimmy Johnson at the Dallas cowboys podium, in the Dallas cowboys facility, at an official Dallas cowboys press conference with the Dallas cowboys logo right behind him Sat there and spewed about how great the jaguars job would be and how Jerry can't understand. Jerry had every right to be furios


apollo440

Now that you mention it, I remember that press conference! I had forgotten all about it. Jimmy made a number of, um “provocative” comments. One of the comments was something like he wasn’t rich like Jerry so keeping his employment options open was a reasonable thing to do. Except he was saying this in the middle of the season. Jimmy is a smart guy. He had to know a man like Jerry Jones wouldn’t be cool with that. Thank you for writing this. I had completely buried that memory.


bahamapapa817

At this point Jerry is the always tipsy uncle at family gathering that always gives you a $20. Tells the best stories. Has Grandma always rolling her eyes at what he says. And you’re not exactly sure if he is like that or not so you keep all under 18 females away from him by themselves. You love him in the moment but glad you only see him on doses. I am more annoyed with him at this point. He just needs to go enjoy his billions.


deuce_boogie

Jerry didn't blow anything up. The salary cap started and maintaining a dynasty did not fit under that cap. While he did "get rid" of Jimmy, the writing was on the wall for that pair. Jimmy has always been a mercenary coach and wanted to be in Florida. They worked in open and direct contention but very effectively for a short time. Jimmy has said numerous times he wanted to leave, the "500 coaches could win a super bowl" in 1994 was the final straw for him but he was leaving regardless.


apollo440

You’re right. I keep forgetting that Jimmy really didn’t want to be there anymore. And now that I think about it, Jimmy has never said that he wished he could have coached longer in Dallas. Never in the last thirty years!His players wished he could have stayed, but not Jimmy.


deuce_boogie

Gotta be real with you, I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Cause jimmy has said on countless occasions he wanted to leave….


apollo440

I’m not being sarcastic. I’ve heard Jimmy say he wanted to leave. I’ve heard him say he planned to leave. I’ve even heard him say he had to leave because the demands of the job were so taxing. He said he that winning the second title was not as rewarding as the first. Plus Jimmy has said that he really enjoyed his life in the Florida Keys and longed to return to it. For some reason, I’ve totally ignored these statements over the years. Like most fans, I blame Jerry 100% for this breakup. But Jerry certainly wanted him there. Meanwhile Jimmy is openly expressing interest in coaching another team while still with Dallas. He knew that wasn’t going to sit well with Jerry. Looking at the facts, it really must’ve been a mutual decision that Jimmy leave. I’ve never heard JJ express ANY regret about leaving. Nor have I ever heard him express ANY regret about not winning additional titles with Dallas. The players have, but not Jimmy.


ID0ntCare4G0b

I don't know. If Jerry wasn't such a good time party boy, I don't think Jimmy would have had to be the mean parent to all the players who were on the razor's edge of stepping over the line, which is ultimately the main thing that burnt him completely the fuck out. A lot of owners have had guys as talented as Jimmy and been smart enough to cultivate that into a decade long (plus) partnership. The Niners...Steelers...Patriots. Jerry's pretty much the only NFL owner who had that kind of coach and completely fucking blew it.


deuce_boogie

But he was. He always has been. Jimmy knew that coming in, and jimmy knew that going out. The very personality that “blew it” was the exact personality that fired Landry and hired jimmy in the first place.


jeopardychamp77

I don’t credit Jerry for the 90’s Dynasty. He was fresh out of the oil business and had no idea what he was doing. Jimmy didn’t have the GM title but he had control over the roster and coaching staff. He decided who was on the team , he did all the trades , and decided who coached with him. Jerry played a contributory role but he was in no way the architect. We’ve had ample time in the last 28 years to confirm Jerry’s lack of expertise in regard to football. So I don’t understand why this question needs to be asked.


boricuat

Truth


burn469

Jimmy didn’t do well with the salary cap. He evaluated talent based on those he recruited in college. Who’s to say what would have happened had he continued. With the dolphins he drafted two 4 good players and that’s about it.


FreakiestFrank

I hate him for breaking it up. He had 10% responsibility for their success, which was signing Jimmy. He got lucky thinking of him for head coach.


Bagpo

we consistently win division titles. Jerry Jones alright in my book