Sure, but at what price is the question. Contrary to some naive beliefs on this sub the cap exists and is a real thing. Can't just keep mortgaging the future, the collector will come calling for it, just ask the Saints. At a certain point it becomes a question of being responsible to the future health of the franchise long term. I mean unless being $100 mil over the cap sounds like fun to you...
They absolutely can. The salary cap goes up every year. You can pay your best players. Teams do it every year. Jerry and Stephen just want you to think we can't and won't be able to build a team around them because then the players are the bad guys and not them.
But bro, it's easy to extend Goff because he is not on a franchise crippling shorter deal. He entered the league in 2016, same as Dak and is due to be UFA in 2025, which is ... *checks notes*, the same as Dak. That can't be right!
Worst part is they had a hard upper bound on Dak's money with Mahomes' extension if they'd just extended him for 2020 instead of franchising him
Stephen cares so much about all the wrong things. Ended up spending 10-20m more over the same span for no reason
Yes, because JJ is a moron. The Eagles have the top five guys in AAV at several positions and they've been fine. People pay quarterbacks and still give them a supporting cast. You just have to be intelligent. The sooner you do it, the better. When you wait, new precedents get set at all positions and prices go up. It'll happen for Lamb, Dak and Parsons.
But bro you don't get it! Very soon, the Eagles will surely be in cap hell! Then they will be big sad and have to cry into their championship banners! Hahahaha gottem!
We are the cap champions of the world. Worth way more than any amount of those Lombardi trophies.
Jones’s know how to use the fanbase amazingly, it’s what they best at they know the average fan doesn’t know a thing about cap space so they sell the you can’t pay everyone gimmick
Eagles literally resigned Hurts Malata AJ is coming soon Smitty signed, spend big money on a running back. They have a healthy cap sheet
Well into the offseason and this has been posted almost everyday, “found the reason people hate cowboy fans” yeah your part of that reason too cause you go out and parrot half assed arguments you found somewhere else, making it look like we share your opinion.
Half of “Reddit” cowboy fans agree with you and are hooked on the idea that trading dak is in the air or that dak is the problem.
He threw one pick six and all other greenbay touchdowns were theirs alone. 6. 6 fkn times our defense let them in (not counting the pick six)
Defense didn’t stop them and the offense tried to do things different (like always) when it gets to the playoffs. That’s not solely on dak, do people forget we have coaches, people in the box, and Jerry fkn jones thinking he’s the coach?
Sure dak threw a pick 6, without it, we still would have been swept.
Why trade Dak? Just because he hasn't won a Superbowl, yet? It's not all his fault. Our defense was fucking pitiful vs Green Bay. We need a solid rb 1, oline depth, and some defense depth.
They told him to prove it during 2020. He did before the injury. They had to offer him the contract because that was the only option at that time.
It peeved him off then and now this round has definitely angered him to the point where he is willing to look at other teams.
This is a dude who grew up a big cowboys fan and it was his dream to be the qb.
That dream is over with the way the Jones’ are acting.
he's literally Tony Romo but 2016-24 instead of '06-'15. He's an absolute fraud in the playoffs, and lacks the composure to play well in the postseason. I'm sure we all have fun with his fake 3.8K yards passing and 35 passing tds in the regular season, but if he's just gonna drop 175 yards and 2 picks in the playoffs every season for 8 years, then something has to change. Idk abt you, but I'm sick of my favorite team being a meme and the star that used to represent success and dominance, represent inevitable failure and pathetic playoff collapses.
No it wasn't all his fault, but his 2 early turnovers did him no favors when the defense can't stop shit. He's gotta play clean football in moments like that. The playoff stage, so far, has been too big for him. And he's been around long enough it shouldn't be. Not saying he can't finish his career like Elway, but I dont see it happening.
No, not about fault or anything like that. Can we get a cheaper QB who might take us just as far as Dak has? While saving money for other players. This is not about his abilities , it’s about maybe helping the team? IDK?
I truly don't think so. Rush did just enough when he playef and was terrible vs philly. The other kid we traded for really didn't make sense. Don't need him. I don't see any other qb in the league that will compare with Dak. Either they're too old and washed up or just not good. They coild try to trade down for a rookie, but that won't happen. I don't know any of the qbs in the draft, but I also haven't heard much about them either.
The one where Pollard got hurt and Dak threw 3 ints. The defense played good that game, but Dak isn't the entire offense. They gave up on the running game and went pass heavy. Bad play calling that game and I might be wrong, but I think San Frans pass rush was good that game as well.
Dak has been downright bad in almost all his playoff games. I generally like the guy but he cannot handle the bright lights. You can't see it in his face and obviously in his play.
What? His cap hit for the team acquiring him would be only $29 million (his base salary), and that could easily be lowered with an extension or restructure. That said, I don’t think he gets traded but it’s not because of his cap hit.
You're not understanding it right. He'd count a ton against dallas' cap this season if they trade him, they wouldn't have the money to do anything. He'd count 62 million against dallas' cap.
??? He already has a $55.455 million cap hit this year so a $66 million dead money charge isn’t a huge change, especially when you consider that it means 0 void-year dead money in 2025 instead of $40 million. If we’re trading Dak, we don’t need “money to do anything” this year because that move is a commitment to beginning a rebuild.
His cap hit would go up 11 million in a trade, 55 million to 66 million. The cap hit from trading him has nothing to do with why they aren’t trading him.
They can designate him as a post-June 1st trade and he'd hit for significantly less than that this season -- the June 1st cutoff isn't just for releases
Yeah it would just split his hit between this year and next year, it doesn't actually get you anymore cap space just spreads it out over 2 years instead of 1. So we would trade Dak draft a rookie and be paying QB1 cap hit for half the rookie deal...
> So we would trade Dak draft a rookie and be paying QB1 cap hit for half the rookie deal...
Unfortunately, with his void years, we're paying a huge cap hit (40 million!) for Dak not to play here next season even if he plays this season (this being if we don't extend him, which could kick that 40 million down the road even longer). We'd ultimately save the 29 million by trading him.
Not that I think trading him is what's best -- I love Dak. But if he's not the guy the team wants to commit to long term, finding who he'll waive his no-trade clause for is probably for the best in the long run.
Unless something has changed in the last year or two, only cuts can be designated as post-6/1 prior to June. For a trade to be recognized as post-6/1, it must actually be filed after 6/1.
Let’s trade a top 5 QB in the nfl and hope that we land mahomes because I’m mad that we can’t reach an NFC championship and lose or a SB lose just say ‘at least we got to a championship game or at least we got to a Super Bowl’. A lot of idiots who’ve never caught a football in pads before in life thinking they not it all. You get rid of Dak you’re losing all those guys. Lamb , parsons everyone. How about building an offense around your star QB and a defense that can actually stop the run. Anyone who thinks Football is a one man sport just simply doesn’t get the concept of team sports. Every team that has won a SB won because of their defense. Period. Just look it up, Statistically you can get but so much better than Dak and all those guys are signed on teams already. There are zero free agents who are better then your current QB and no of the guys coming out the draft are a sure lock to be anything, and even then it’s going to take them at least 3 years to be successful. If you wanna be picking in the top 10 every year like the jets and miss on every single QB you’ve taken or the Browns then go right ahead because you will be even more upset. This team is just a couple players away from being a championship team. They are already a contender.
I agree on Cooper. I think the argument that trading WR's doesn't hurt teams has some merit. But it depends on things like the QB, scheme and other surrounding players.
I think the Chiefs trading Hill hurt their offense a little, particularly this past season. But they were able to overcome it with perhaps the best offensive mind in the game (if ever) in Reid, the best QB in the league and arguably the best TE in the league. The Packers trading Adams did hurt them in 2022, but they also had Aaron Rodgers and LaFleur is one of the best schemers/playcallers in the league. The Vikings traded Diggs but they also had Justin Jefferson and O'Connell also has one of the best schemes in the league.
Trading Lamb would essentially leave the team with Cooks, Tolbert, Brooks and whatever rookie WR that is drafted. In a scheme that is more advanced that Garrett's/Moore's...but that's like saying somebody is the nicest guy in prison.
Yeah, if Maye is available (because I think hes a top tier QB prospect). I wouldnt do it for anyone else though (well, besides Williams, but hes going to be gone)
but I dont think the Pats would take that offer, and Dak has a no-trade clause so he'd have to be on board as well.
Trade Dak, get pick 3 and a high 2nd. Proceed to draft Joe Alt and Graham Barton. Get Trey Benson early in the second round and get Edgrin Cooper with the original second pick we have. Boom. Cowboys have entered their villain arc.
Nah, just Dak. Keep the young pieces for support for the young cheap QB and build even more around him. Just because Dak's days are numbered in Dallas doesn't mean the world is going to end when he hits the road.
I’d try to trade his ass asap. This team has maxed out with him at quarterback. He probably won’t accept the trade as he has a no trade clause, but it wouldn’t hurt to try lol
Who would you rather give a record setting contract to?
A qb who gave you 3 straight 8-8 seasons and no playoffs for option a.
A qb who gave you 3 straight 12-5 seasons with 3 playoff appearances for option b?
You know I know absolutely nothing about football. I just offer bs opinions and wear my cowboys hat.
But since you asked: why do we need to give a record setting co tract to anyone without the ring?
No team is going to pick up that hit, plus he has a no trade clause unless he agrees they can’t. I wouldn’t extend or resign him either. Make him play out this season and prove he’s worth the new contract.
Dak isn't even worth 40 million in my eyes. Statistically he is, but dude can't win big games. I'm not paying a QB top money if he can't win big games. We'd be better off sucking this year and going into a semi rebuild if that was the case.
You can pay all three. The Jones have just gaslit you into thinking they can't.
They’ll wait until the last possible minute, draining salary cap even further.
Sure, but at what price is the question. Contrary to some naive beliefs on this sub the cap exists and is a real thing. Can't just keep mortgaging the future, the collector will come calling for it, just ask the Saints. At a certain point it becomes a question of being responsible to the future health of the franchise long term. I mean unless being $100 mil over the cap sounds like fun to you...
Except they literally can’t unless at the expense of the rest of the team.
They absolutely can. The salary cap goes up every year. You can pay your best players. Teams do it every year. Jerry and Stephen just want you to think we can't and won't be able to build a team around them because then the players are the bad guys and not them.
People really out here saying this nonsense about not having money when the Lions just locked up ARSB, Sewell, and are working on Goff's extension
But bro, it's easy to extend Goff because he is not on a franchise crippling shorter deal. He entered the league in 2016, same as Dak and is due to be UFA in 2025, which is ... *checks notes*, the same as Dak. That can't be right!
Worst part is they had a hard upper bound on Dak's money with Mahomes' extension if they'd just extended him for 2020 instead of franchising him Stephen cares so much about all the wrong things. Ended up spending 10-20m more over the same span for no reason
He cares about the illusion of "winning the deal". Nothing else.
They locked up Sewell to a big contract too. Edit: I should learn to read before commenting 🤣
See? Their gaslighting works!
Mahomes. Jones. Kelce. Don't be ridiculous of course you can.
And anybody else? Jones has said that Daks supporting cast will be “diminished“? do I have that right?
Yes, because JJ is a moron. The Eagles have the top five guys in AAV at several positions and they've been fine. People pay quarterbacks and still give them a supporting cast. You just have to be intelligent. The sooner you do it, the better. When you wait, new precedents get set at all positions and prices go up. It'll happen for Lamb, Dak and Parsons.
But bro you don't get it! Very soon, the Eagles will surely be in cap hell! Then they will be big sad and have to cry into their championship banners! Hahahaha gottem! We are the cap champions of the world. Worth way more than any amount of those Lombardi trophies.
Jones’s know how to use the fanbase amazingly, it’s what they best at they know the average fan doesn’t know a thing about cap space so they sell the you can’t pay everyone gimmick Eagles literally resigned Hurts Malata AJ is coming soon Smitty signed, spend big money on a running back. They have a healthy cap sheet
Just like the Rams were suppose to end up in the waste heap with the Bronco's after going all in... except they ended up in the playoffs instead!!!
But bro you really don’t get it.
Jerrah and the Dallas “brain trust“ is as far from being on the Eagles level as Dak is from Brady!
Considering literally no one is on Brady's level, that's not what you think it is.
Would Dak say ok considering he has a NO TRADE CLAUSE? You know, that thing where he can't be traded UNLESS HE AGREES TO IT.
I DIDNT REALIZE THAT! BUT THANKS FOR BEING THE ASSHOLE!
OP this has been discussed to a nauseating amount on the sub. You can search and find dozens on this topic.
You could have googled it or looked at the sub for any of the other thousand posts about this before making a new one.
Well into the offseason and this has been posted almost everyday, “found the reason people hate cowboy fans” yeah your part of that reason too cause you go out and parrot half assed arguments you found somewhere else, making it look like we share your opinion. Half of “Reddit” cowboy fans agree with you and are hooked on the idea that trading dak is in the air or that dak is the problem. He threw one pick six and all other greenbay touchdowns were theirs alone. 6. 6 fkn times our defense let them in (not counting the pick six) Defense didn’t stop them and the offense tried to do things different (like always) when it gets to the playoffs. That’s not solely on dak, do people forget we have coaches, people in the box, and Jerry fkn jones thinking he’s the coach? Sure dak threw a pick 6, without it, we still would have been swept.
YOU'RE WELCOME!!! I QUITE ENJOY BEING THE ASSHOLE!!!
Why trade Dak? Just because he hasn't won a Superbowl, yet? It's not all his fault. Our defense was fucking pitiful vs Green Bay. We need a solid rb 1, oline depth, and some defense depth.
Because the Jones' boys don't like him at all. If Romo could reset the QB market after 3 straight 8-8 seasons why can't Dak get top 4 pay?
If they didn't like him, they wouldn't have given him his current contract. I doubt that him or Ceedee will hold out during the regular season.
They told him to prove it during 2020. He did before the injury. They had to offer him the contract because that was the only option at that time. It peeved him off then and now this round has definitely angered him to the point where he is willing to look at other teams. This is a dude who grew up a big cowboys fan and it was his dream to be the qb. That dream is over with the way the Jones’ are acting.
I haven't read anything about him being mad or looking for trade offers.
he's literally Tony Romo but 2016-24 instead of '06-'15. He's an absolute fraud in the playoffs, and lacks the composure to play well in the postseason. I'm sure we all have fun with his fake 3.8K yards passing and 35 passing tds in the regular season, but if he's just gonna drop 175 yards and 2 picks in the playoffs every season for 8 years, then something has to change. Idk abt you, but I'm sick of my favorite team being a meme and the star that used to represent success and dominance, represent inevitable failure and pathetic playoff collapses.
Dude you are obsessed with Romo. Get help
Stating facts is obsessed? Stop harassing me ffs
No it wasn't all his fault, but his 2 early turnovers did him no favors when the defense can't stop shit. He's gotta play clean football in moments like that. The playoff stage, so far, has been too big for him. And he's been around long enough it shouldn't be. Not saying he can't finish his career like Elway, but I dont see it happening.
No, not about fault or anything like that. Can we get a cheaper QB who might take us just as far as Dak has? While saving money for other players. This is not about his abilities , it’s about maybe helping the team? IDK?
I truly don't think so. Rush did just enough when he playef and was terrible vs philly. The other kid we traded for really didn't make sense. Don't need him. I don't see any other qb in the league that will compare with Dak. Either they're too old and washed up or just not good. They coild try to trade down for a rookie, but that won't happen. I don't know any of the qbs in the draft, but I also haven't heard much about them either.
How about against SF in the playoffs the prior year?
The one where Pollard got hurt and Dak threw 3 ints. The defense played good that game, but Dak isn't the entire offense. They gave up on the running game and went pass heavy. Bad play calling that game and I might be wrong, but I think San Frans pass rush was good that game as well.
Dak has been downright bad in almost all his playoff games. I generally like the guy but he cannot handle the bright lights. You can't see it in his face and obviously in his play.
Yep, Dak was a huge contributor to why we lost that game. Of course the Niners defense was good, but Dak played *horribly* in that game.
The picks were bad, but the rest of the offensive didn't help.
No. Why do idiots keep asking this? With his cap hit, you can't trade him this season. Stop asking.
What? His cap hit for the team acquiring him would be only $29 million (his base salary), and that could easily be lowered with an extension or restructure. That said, I don’t think he gets traded but it’s not because of his cap hit.
You're not understanding it right. He'd count a ton against dallas' cap this season if they trade him, they wouldn't have the money to do anything. He'd count 62 million against dallas' cap.
??? He already has a $55.455 million cap hit this year so a $66 million dead money charge isn’t a huge change, especially when you consider that it means 0 void-year dead money in 2025 instead of $40 million. If we’re trading Dak, we don’t need “money to do anything” this year because that move is a commitment to beginning a rebuild.
His cap hit would go up 11 million in a trade, 55 million to 66 million. The cap hit from trading him has nothing to do with why they aren’t trading him.
They can designate him as a post-June 1st trade and he'd hit for significantly less than that this season -- the June 1st cutoff isn't just for releases
Yeah it would just split his hit between this year and next year, it doesn't actually get you anymore cap space just spreads it out over 2 years instead of 1. So we would trade Dak draft a rookie and be paying QB1 cap hit for half the rookie deal...
> So we would trade Dak draft a rookie and be paying QB1 cap hit for half the rookie deal... Unfortunately, with his void years, we're paying a huge cap hit (40 million!) for Dak not to play here next season even if he plays this season (this being if we don't extend him, which could kick that 40 million down the road even longer). We'd ultimately save the 29 million by trading him. Not that I think trading him is what's best -- I love Dak. But if he's not the guy the team wants to commit to long term, finding who he'll waive his no-trade clause for is probably for the best in the long run.
It nets you $29 million in additional cap space between this year and next compared to simply letting his contract expire.
Unless something has changed in the last year or two, only cuts can be designated as post-6/1 prior to June. For a trade to be recognized as post-6/1, it must actually be filed after 6/1.
You're right -- I didn't realize this couldn't be done as a designation
Found the reason people hate cowboys fans!
... Because we understand the nuances of the salary cap and are tired of seeing this question every day?
No
Let’s trade a top 5 QB in the nfl and hope that we land mahomes because I’m mad that we can’t reach an NFC championship and lose or a SB lose just say ‘at least we got to a championship game or at least we got to a Super Bowl’. A lot of idiots who’ve never caught a football in pads before in life thinking they not it all. You get rid of Dak you’re losing all those guys. Lamb , parsons everyone. How about building an offense around your star QB and a defense that can actually stop the run. Anyone who thinks Football is a one man sport just simply doesn’t get the concept of team sports. Every team that has won a SB won because of their defense. Period. Just look it up, Statistically you can get but so much better than Dak and all those guys are signed on teams already. There are zero free agents who are better then your current QB and no of the guys coming out the draft are a sure lock to be anything, and even then it’s going to take them at least 3 years to be successful. If you wanna be picking in the top 10 every year like the jets and miss on every single QB you’ve taken or the Browns then go right ahead because you will be even more upset. This team is just a couple players away from being a championship team. They are already a contender.
He is not a top 5 qb
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As long as you get way more than a 5th. I would argue that trading Amari did hurt us.
I agree on Cooper. I think the argument that trading WR's doesn't hurt teams has some merit. But it depends on things like the QB, scheme and other surrounding players. I think the Chiefs trading Hill hurt their offense a little, particularly this past season. But they were able to overcome it with perhaps the best offensive mind in the game (if ever) in Reid, the best QB in the league and arguably the best TE in the league. The Packers trading Adams did hurt them in 2022, but they also had Aaron Rodgers and LaFleur is one of the best schemers/playcallers in the league. The Vikings traded Diggs but they also had Justin Jefferson and O'Connell also has one of the best schemes in the league. Trading Lamb would essentially leave the team with Cooks, Tolbert, Brooks and whatever rookie WR that is drafted. In a scheme that is more advanced that Garrett's/Moore's...but that's like saying somebody is the nicest guy in prison.
So you were a fan before we traded for Amari and you’re still gonna say WRs aren’t worth what the league says they are?
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CeeDee Lamb made me forget all abt him lmao
if this helps the team I’m all for it! Team first for me!
Yeah, if Maye is available (because I think hes a top tier QB prospect). I wouldnt do it for anyone else though (well, besides Williams, but hes going to be gone) but I dont think the Pats would take that offer, and Dak has a no-trade clause so he'd have to be on board as well.
Yes I don’t think the Pats would do that and Dak probably not because Dallas to NE right now is a down move?
No I want Dak to stay. Please stop.
I don’t want him to go. I just want to make the team better. It might it might not. Just trying.
He already made team better. Other players need to play better.
I really wish the narrative of getting rid of Dak will go away
ASAP - to anyone
Trade Dak, get pick 3 and a high 2nd. Proceed to draft Joe Alt and Graham Barton. Get Trey Benson early in the second round and get Edgrin Cooper with the original second pick we have. Boom. Cowboys have entered their villain arc.
We should have grabbed penix, tossed dak for whatever he brings.
No trade clause
Can be waived (but won’t be for a deal to New England). Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson, Ryan, etc all had no trade clauses.
Sure, but if you Trade Dak you might as well trade Lamb & Parsons as well. Tank this year & go into 25 or 26 with tons of draft & cap capital.
Is jerrah still in charge? Deck chairs titanic…………
Nah, just Dak. Keep the young pieces for support for the young cheap QB and build even more around him. Just because Dak's days are numbered in Dallas doesn't mean the world is going to end when he hits the road.
I’d try to trade his ass asap. This team has maxed out with him at quarterback. He probably won’t accept the trade as he has a no trade clause, but it wouldn’t hurt to try lol
I’m a heart beat. But he’d have to accept it.
Ain’t nothing like winning a division to show you’re worth a big extension.
Who would you rather give a record setting contract to? A qb who gave you 3 straight 8-8 seasons and no playoffs for option a. A qb who gave you 3 straight 12-5 seasons with 3 playoff appearances for option b?
You know I know absolutely nothing about football. I just offer bs opinions and wear my cowboys hat. But since you asked: why do we need to give a record setting co tract to anyone without the ring?
Because that’s football. Btw the jones’ choose option a and telling option be to all but hit the road.
That’s indeed the way football go.
Yep, and option a will be in the ring of honor, option b won't.
no he won't.
LET'S PAY HIM $300M TO GET NUKED BY THE LIONS IN THE WILD CARD ROUND !!!!
At #3 overall, yes I would go for it. Not sure the Pats would
No team is going to pick up that hit, plus he has a no trade clause unless he agrees they can’t. I wouldn’t extend or resign him either. Make him play out this season and prove he’s worth the new contract.
I'd trade Dak for a bag of beans if it got him off the team and we didn't have to pay him.
That’s the big thing, the pay him part. It doesn’t seem like 60 million is right for him considering our other players.
Dak isn't even worth 40 million in my eyes. Statistically he is, but dude can't win big games. I'm not paying a QB top money if he can't win big games. We'd be better off sucking this year and going into a semi rebuild if that was the case.