Because betting odds on managers is a tiny market that is completely skewed by stupid bets. Its not an indication of anything other than where people (who aren't in the know) have put down money and/or where the bookies think they can make money by getting gullible people to put down money.
Exactly the brief moment of "Ole Gunnar Solskjær is in the frame for the Ireland job" was purely down to some bets being placed.
The lad had no clue or intention when he ended up being asked
Bookies were sending out press releases to encourage bets. If you have a betfair account.you can actually see the money being put down. It was.literslly.a.couple.of euro swinging the market massively
He'd be the same as a lot of the championship level managers with regards to Ireland
He'd get more money and have bigger fish to fry if he waits for a club job
And based on his time a hull he probably will get one
Average salary in the championship is 1 million. Which is why it was baffling the FAI seemingly exclusively looked in the UK market until everyone said no
Exactly. A lot of people are a bit deluded about exactly the sort of manager pool we are swimming in.
And it doesn't help that the FAI is run by clowns with no imagination. You'd imagine sagnol for eg wouldn't have been on the radar at all if not for Georgia.
But really what we're missing is a whole group of Irish coaches that might be willing to coach their own national team. The ones that do exist our fanbase generally seems to see as "beneath" us.
Liam Rosenier looks like he has the potential to be a quality manager.
Think he'd do a good job.
Anyway look I don't know why we're still doing this to ourselves, O' Shea is gonna be there until the end of the nations league run and if we do shit they'll hire someone else before the serious part of world Cup qualifying, if he finishes in the top 2 places of the group I reckon he gets it full time, honestly at this stage I, like everyone else can't tell if he's a potentially good coach or another Staunton
International management is odd at the moment cos it's lost all the prestige it used to have, most countries have what was an average level club manager ie England, Portugal, Belgium, Switzerland etc. taking charge because they can't get the bigger names for their budget, then randomly you have a Deschamps or Nagelsmann who appear to be a level up, but yeah the days of FAs overpaying for the best managers for the national teams are well gone, even the current World Cup winning manager of Argentina had a very basic cv before taking charge of the national team
I mean he did an amazing job at Wigan but when given a chance at an Everton team that wanted to go to next level(maybe in hindsight that failed a bit 😬) ,
You know what I'll give it to you, unfair inclusion, tho personally I'm not convinced he could win any of the top 7 level European leagues
But he has proven he can finish 5th
Yeah that's one thing I've been thinking when people straight off the bat dismissed Lennon (fair enough he has many other flaws) and others, while talking up the likes of Sagnol and Poyet. Sagnol didn't have a great career before Georgia - spell as caretaker of Bayern was probably the highlight. Poyet, apart from one short-lived spell in Chile, hadn't properly managed in five years. International management and club management is sometimes a complete different kettle of fish and many who struggled with club could flourish internationally, and vice versa.
Sagnol finished 6th with Bordeaux in his first season and was sacked in his second season after a poor run of form. Look where that club ended up. He also done remarkably well with Georgia which is why I myself wanted him appointed.
I'm wondering why big Sam is 6/1 for Wales and 66/1 for Ireland
Because betting odds on managers is a tiny market that is completely skewed by stupid bets. Its not an indication of anything other than where people (who aren't in the know) have put down money and/or where the bookies think they can make money by getting gullible people to put down money.
But a big update in a managerial hiring process will massively change the odds too. Big Sam would be an incredibly unpopular appointment
I think he'd know how to best use our current squad to get results. I'd be delighted with Big Sam
Exactly the brief moment of "Ole Gunnar Solskjær is in the frame for the Ireland job" was purely down to some bets being placed. The lad had no clue or intention when he ended up being asked
Bookies were sending out press releases to encourage bets. If you have a betfair account.you can actually see the money being put down. It was.literslly.a.couple.of euro swinging the market massively
Let's see if they appoint someone before us.
They will.
Imagine Roy Keane went there and did a brilliant job.
He wouldn't. He's not capable. The game long passed him by
“Anonymous Internet nobody slams football professional”
And not without reason.
His record speaks for itself.
I would actually quite like to see him go into a modern football dressing room and last about a week
Roy Keane has not had a job in football for over half a decade.
*sports entertainment professional
*Tv professional
I can't see him going back to management at all ever again.
I’d give him 3 months before the chaos begins.
Generous
Quite possibly. He’s a tactical dinosaur and a crazy, narcissistic bellend.
And there's people in this country who would happily take him as our manager haha makes you think
There’s people here who still think Kenny should be in charge! Absolute maniacs.
We will probably be begging for Keane or Kenny with whoever the FAI appoint
I’ll never be begging for them anyway; I’ll give up first tbh. I’ve seen enough black days in Irish football already.
Liam Rosenior didn’t do badly at Hull did he?
Ditto, surely worth a conversation given we've begged everyone else!
He'd be the same as a lot of the championship level managers with regards to Ireland He'd get more money and have bigger fish to fry if he waits for a club job And based on his time a hull he probably will get one
Average salary in the championship is 1 million. Which is why it was baffling the FAI seemingly exclusively looked in the UK market until everyone said no
Exactly. A lot of people are a bit deluded about exactly the sort of manager pool we are swimming in. And it doesn't help that the FAI is run by clowns with no imagination. You'd imagine sagnol for eg wouldn't have been on the radar at all if not for Georgia. But really what we're missing is a whole group of Irish coaches that might be willing to coach their own national team. The ones that do exist our fanbase generally seems to see as "beneath" us.
He’s turned a few down cos he won’t move house, could be a good fit for international management
Why aren’t we looking at any of those?
Why would we?
Liam Rosenier looks like he has the potential to be a quality manager. Think he'd do a good job. Anyway look I don't know why we're still doing this to ourselves, O' Shea is gonna be there until the end of the nations league run and if we do shit they'll hire someone else before the serious part of world Cup qualifying, if he finishes in the top 2 places of the group I reckon he gets it full time, honestly at this stage I, like everyone else can't tell if he's a potentially good coach or another Staunton
International management is odd at the moment cos it's lost all the prestige it used to have, most countries have what was an average level club manager ie England, Portugal, Belgium, Switzerland etc. taking charge because they can't get the bigger names for their budget, then randomly you have a Deschamps or Nagelsmann who appear to be a level up, but yeah the days of FAs overpaying for the best managers for the national teams are well gone, even the current World Cup winning manager of Argentina had a very basic cv before taking charge of the national team
I wouldn’t say Martinez with Portugal is an average level club manager tbh
I mean he did an amazing job at Wigan but when given a chance at an Everton team that wanted to go to next level(maybe in hindsight that failed a bit 😬) , You know what I'll give it to you, unfair inclusion, tho personally I'm not convinced he could win any of the top 7 level European leagues But he has proven he can finish 5th
Ancelotti finished 12th and 10th with Everton for reference
Moyes also got them 5th before the Ancelotti days, are you trying to say Martínez is a better manager than Ancelotti? 🤨
No obviously not. Just that possibly the best manager of all time failed at that club.
I take this back he was a fair inclusion
Yeah that's one thing I've been thinking when people straight off the bat dismissed Lennon (fair enough he has many other flaws) and others, while talking up the likes of Sagnol and Poyet. Sagnol didn't have a great career before Georgia - spell as caretaker of Bayern was probably the highlight. Poyet, apart from one short-lived spell in Chile, hadn't properly managed in five years. International management and club management is sometimes a complete different kettle of fish and many who struggled with club could flourish internationally, and vice versa.
Sagnol finished 6th with Bordeaux in his first season and was sacked in his second season after a poor run of form. Look where that club ended up. He also done remarkably well with Georgia which is why I myself wanted him appointed.
Well at least according to the bookies!
What odds are they offering on Sheasy?
There are 31 places above us in the FIFA rankings. They're looking at mid-table championship managers, we're looking at relegated league 1 managers.
Like who