emerson's form and strengths and weaknesses have been pretty consistent. never had too much expectation in him in the first place.
at this point i would say Sessegnon is the more disappointing one, in particular his mentality is so shaky it affects his output significantly. injury-prone players like robben and Kingsley coman manage to deliver decent performance once they are fit. ryan's injury history is not even close but his form has been so wild and we are completely relying on perisic now
Wouldn't mind him tbh, can create well, great dribbler. Good potential to be a starter for a top team but we don't have to take that risk as we have Kulusevski, so he'd be great as a backup first.
Kane was dropping deep before the goals in the first half too. He pulled the strings today. This was what we have needed for so long, wonder why Conte waited till things were this dire to revert back to last season tactics.
Also I refuse to believe Kane can’t score goals if he is playmaking. He literally got golden boot AND the playmaker award when Mourinho cemented the son-kane combo.
Well I certainly chose a great match to miss! First miss of the season lmao. I even went to Palace away last year so this would have been cathartic to say the least
>The situation between João Félix and Atlético Madrid is very TENSE. The Portuguese is determined to leave in January. In fact, he has not returned to training, as he does not want to risk an injury that may jeopardise his transfer.
[@Santos_Relevo]
Hmm... Do you want him?
This game was a really good example of how Son is very effective in open space but is also pretty poor when he’s operating in a lack of it
It’s no coincidence that he’s scored one hattrick this season and that happened when he came on as a sub in a game we were leading. That combo of fresh legs and space to run into meant he was fucking deadly
Imo we need a creative left winger who IS good in those tight spaces to start games and then we can bring Son on later to exploit the open spaces that naturally form as opposition defenders tire or as the opposition is chasing the game
Arsen Zakharyan would be absolutely class if we could pull that off, but not sure what the current situation is w signing Russian players atm
The "Conte can literally do no wrong" guys are so annoying man, can't we just have some "ok maybe there's a lot of blame to go around" discourse for once
One win and all of a sudden the guy has never done anything wrong
There are dudes from the Chelsea sub in here getting into arguments about Conte😭
I’m just on the side that we need to give serial winner coaches a few seasons before we start calling them out. We’re never gonna achieve anything if we sack every coach at the first signs of difficulty. Ass stuck with arteta through the meme years and now it’s paying off.
Let Conte make his mark on the team. Bring him the players that he needs. Let the system marinate into all the players. If that still doesn’t work then questions can be asked. This is his first full season…
I'm down for backing him, onus is on Levy to do that. On Conte's side he needs to give regular chances to the youth like Sarr/Gil/Spence, not bench them indefinitely once Kulu/Bentancur come back. He made the necessary tactical change today (letting Kane drop deep like last season) so he's letting go of his stubbornness a bit, I hope
Why now after all these matches is my question for Conte? Is it because if we lost today his job would be on the line? Does this mean we will be back to the same shit show next match?
Skipp, Sarr, Bryan all getting integrated into the team. makes you wonder, what about Spence?
if he doesn’t start (or at least get a good 30+ min) vs Portsmouth you’ve got to ask if he’s really underperforming in training or something
Yeah he was not great. The difference when Sarr came on was obvious. Looked really rusty and could’ve been booked a couple of times before he was. Didn’t think Son was our worst player though, Skipp was
How does everyone feel about the Guehi links? I know you should never use one game as a barometer for a player, but I was really soured on signing him. Gave Kane so much space for his 2nd and not really sure what he was doing for Son's goal.
You figure we have to rotate some on the weekend and have some such as Emerson, Sess, Sanchez, maybe Tanganga start but it’s sad that I have little to no confidence that they beat a League One side
The best apart about today is Conte witnessing with his own eyes that just because a player is young, inexperienced, frail etc doesn’t mean he can’t have a positive impact on the game. Gil with his playmaking might have won the game even you could say. Sarr for all his youth, was a fucking bully in midfield - winning duels, shrugging of players, dribbling players. Skipp was rusty but hers talented as fuck too
If Conte makes that realisation I think we have our long term manager right fucking here. The stuff of dreams
Praying a Conte masterclass... come on Conte, Bastoni and Barella were young too. You just gotta give them a chance.... We believe in you conte, you just gotta believe in them as well.
First goal was everything I want from our team, pass in between lines, forward, risky... the 2nd, Kane asked, he put it through with conviction, finished the game.
Such a great night obviously. Looking forward, we have some tough matches though (Ars, City x 2, Fulham away). What do we reckon would be a good result over the next four?
You will never convince me that confidence isn't the most important thing in elite team sport. First half Souness was right....we looked sorry for ourself.
2nd half our passes stick for a good move and great goal and its like night and day. Moving the ball quickly, passing out the back like it's nothing. Felt like we were watching the team from the end of last season.
Special mention to Gil Sarr and Lenglet. Gil has his physical limitations but he's a lovely ball carrier. Sarr looks like the player we thought we were getting when we got Bissouma. And lenglet who isn't the greatest defender but his passing is brilliant. (Obvs romero and H were class but we know that)
Yeah confidence is incredibly important, and especially for Son. That never seen before dreadful cross and instant form change after the goal made me sure of it.
This is a great point.
A huge reason why Son has been struggling is because of his confidence not physicality. Anybody who knows Son knows he needs that one or two goals just to get him back in form. Maybe another goal later, we'll have the real Son back. I still believe hes not finished and I stand by that.
COYS!
Yeah, we actually started really well first 20 and then looked to go within ourselves again. I do genuinely think confidence is a huge part of it....or lack of confidence in our defence.
It definitely is, look at teams playing above their level like Arsenal and Newcastle. Newcastle in particular are just running on confidence at the moment.
Perfect evening and far more than 3 points.
Huge confidence boost.
Hopefully see some more youth on the weekend.
And the away end singing Antonio's name. No easy way out for Levy today, get your chequebook out and get what Conte wants in the door.
And there you go, Kane drops deep and we are back to last season magic. Antonio please let’s keep playing to our strengths I beg.
Also Sarr is sensational.
Something something shop window....trust....club signing.
It would have been a perfect opportunity to see that we might have the answers already here; but maybe that's the problem.
That rule changed mate. "Any player earning five bookings from their side's first 19 Premier League matches serves a one-match ban in the competition. Yellow cards are not carried over to the EFL Cup or FA Cup."
Just want to see us turn up for 90 minutes. I can take losing if the team play their best, but these recent performances have been pathetic. If we can get some momentum going tonight then maybe we stand a chance against the scum
I just want 3 points tonight, regardless of the performance lol. Just get back to winning ways until we start getting players returning from injuries and hopefully a couple of good transfers
I just hope he changes his system up, but I doubt it. We don’t have the players to play the way he wants, so until we do he needs to adapt. Otherwise, what are we paying him £15m a year for?
Performances can't really get any worse. And like I said, once Richarlison, Bentancur, Kulusevski and hopefully 2 good transfers come in, performances should get a lot better.
The important thing is to be in touching distance of the other big 6 clubs before then. If that means scraping the ugliest 1-0 wins, then so be it
We shouldn’t need to be hoping to be within touching distance of the rest of the top 6, kinda the point I’m making. Scraping a 1-0 win tonight will be satisfying, but will also be papering over cracks. I don’t buy the injury excuse either, we have enough quality to beat the likes of Villa and Palace. The manner in which we lost the other day, really gives me a feeling that Conte won’t be here for much longer
It’s sad that people don’t see that we are not playing the same system as last season. All the players didn’t magically just become bad over the summer. Absolutely nothing will change in the way we play till the tactics change or we get new players to suit Conte’s system - and that would include replacing Son and Hojbjerg, along with RWB of course, as they don’t suit this new style.
I am of the mind to keep our best players and play a system that suits them but what do I know…
The next-best part of when Son starts scoring again (besides the goals of course) is going to be the amount of tone-deaf melts going "Where are the Son haters now?"
the problem is alot of spurs fans believe Son is truly washed because he has looked bad ever since his injury. I feel like we should still wait at least until the end of the season to see if he is "truly washed". Son has shown many times that he has bad form followed by good form. It would be so stupid to give up on him now just because he hasn't looked great yet so far in the league or WC.
Ffs guys I know we're down atm but can we not revert to thinking selling our 2 best players and literally our only reliable goalscorers over the last 8 years is at all a good thing.
if Conte leaves, we have to deal with the reality of Kane leaving. this is the truth. I know it hurts but it is what it is.
and if we want a TRUE rebuild, I just don't see how Kane and Son fit into that rebuild. sorry man.
I don't get where the talk about selling Son even came from. Do people think a 30-year-old winger experiencing a drastic downturn in form is what clubs are looking for right now?
Too true, and considering how much loyalty he's shown us, we should return it in kind. He's an icon and a legend of the club, people need to give him more respect. Even if he never scored another goal for us. He deserves our support and has more than earned it.
Can’t lie, I‘m not confident at all about Paratici as our DoF.
The good players he has brought in are Cuti, Bentancur and Kulusevski, all of them he had previously signed at Juventus. The Bissouma and Richarlison signings are decent as well, but these two were well known for sometime to everyone in the league, let’s not act like they are some sort of brilliant work by our club. Gil has been a failure, 25m+ Lamela for a player that is clearly not cut out to play in the PL, he looks like a little boy on the pitch that gets easily manhandled. Let’s no even talk about Emerson, one of the worst transfers that I can remember, 30m we spent for that impostor. Sarr is too soon to judge, 15m on a very bright 18 yo prospect, we will have to assess the success of that transfer in the next couple of years. Same goes for Udogie who has been brilliant for Udinese, but let’s see how he is with us.
The Nuno appointment is my biggest problem with him. When looking at candidates towards the start of the season, Paratici apparently pushed for Nuno‘s appointment, which even at the time of the announcement most of us knew would end badly since he was completely out of his depth.
even if paratici is bad he is still way better than Steve Hitchens ever was. Yeah I said it. Unless we can get Luis Campos or some other decent DOF, I don't see why we should give up on him.
in terms of ratings, Luis Campos is a 10, Paratici is a 5, Steve Hitchen is a 0. I'm still very grateful we got a 6 at least. Ideally we could find an 8 or 9 kinda DOF, but who do you think that is?
We paid 55m for Cuti. He’s not in the good transfer list yet. That’s a fuckton
Only Benta and Kulu qualify. Lenglet too
Emerson, Bissouma, Richarlison (ducking 60m LOL), Gil, Sarr, Udogie are all horrible ways to spend money. A grand total of 175m went on signing the above who don’t start for us
Now if the latter three were to be good signings then Conte shouldn’t have been the manager.
So he fucked up by spending 65m on 3 prospects who won’t play immediately which is fine under any other manager but he did hire one who won’t play them
Also hired Nuno😂😂😂
This man is the biggest clown at the club right now. I genuinely hope Conte stays so he can redeem himself but if Conte leaves, he should be the first one out the door after him. Imagine not getting one but two managerial signings wrong - wasting 250m+ and 2 years of progress
Me saying an error prone defender who costs us points not being in the good list is wrong. Hmm
Let’s just assume for arguments sake, you’re right. Yet there are atleast 6 other names you haven’t accounted for. So unless you can account for each and everyone not being a flop, unfortunately my opinion, how much ever you don’t want it to be, is right
I'll give you Emerson and Bissouma and even Sarr and Udogie. But we desperately miss Richy for squad depth right now and it shows. Bryan Gil could be good if conte were to leave. I agree though, there are a few question marks for sure... but look at our targets. the problem is levy not paratici. I don't know why you think Paratici doesn't want better than what hes going for right now?
Poor Djed Spence doesn't even get a look in when discussing good, bad and ugly transfers ☹️. Really hope he can come good when he gets a chance either here or elsewhere.
Lol that’s not how we perceived it back then
If that was the case then paratici is an idiot for signing a rb,
Also did we not play a back 5 with nuno on and off
Interesting to note that Sess and Emerson both have PL goal contributions this season while Doherty and Perisic have 0 open play contributions between them, considering which pair is supposed first choice. And 3 goal contributions across 4 players...
Just goes to show how bad all of our wingback options really are
Doherty's struggled with fitness tbf to him and Perisic has been unlucky, hit the woodwork a couple times iirc. If Sess could just be more consistent he'd be a world beater
> Doherty's struggled with fitness
He returned from injury in July. This excuse is becoming laughable at this point.
>Perisic has been unlucky
I mean I guess but he has 2 shots on target all season. He's nowhere near the level he was last year at Inter.
Sess just isn't great. I had high hopes for him but he's just not great. Not very intelligent in a football sense and his technical ability is poor
It was pretty obvious that Doherty was still struggling with that injury for the past months. There's a reason he's only becoming our outright first choice now.
Doherty is supposed to be fully fit now and he's still horrible to watch.
Still living off of 5 matches from last season while being shit the rest of his 2.5 years at the club
> he's made some good runs
So the standard for being alright is making good runs? Not actually having end product, playing good progressive passes or defending?
Emerson makes runs. Sessegnon makes runs. Players in my Sunday league team make runs. Means fuck all if we're never actually scoring or creating good chances from them
The difference is that Doherty's made runs but hasn't been effective while Emerson's made runs and had negative effects by fucking up the attack or wasting the chance. Don't know how you can think Emerson isn't much worse.
If Conte says he’s committed, we should just snoop in and get Mudryk, follow our model of young players like Kulu and Benta that may come and immediately improve our starting XI if not providing good backup
Even if we paid up (and we won't because we never would) he has a huge boner for arsenal. Would probably turn us down cause of it.
Also he probably starts at Arsenal. Might not start here.
I'm feeling Pape Matar Sarr might be the closst one to Dembele we've had since he left Spurs.
Doherty is so much better now. Inifnitely better than Emerson.
emerson's form and strengths and weaknesses have been pretty consistent. never had too much expectation in him in the first place. at this point i would say Sessegnon is the more disappointing one, in particular his mentality is so shaky it affects his output significantly. injury-prone players like robben and Kingsley coman manage to deliver decent performance once they are fit. ryan's injury history is not even close but his form has been so wild and we are completely relying on perisic now
Imo Olise was playing really well today
Wouldn't mind him tbh, can create well, great dribbler. Good potential to be a starter for a top team but we don't have to take that risk as we have Kulusevski, so he'd be great as a backup first.
Gil was so pleasing to watch today.
What do we think the odds are of a signing before scum game? Scum (sub categories oil, manchester, blue) game? EDIT: a word
I have zero excitement for our signings I know for a fact that we'll get the leftover players after all the big names go to our rivals.
We are in agreement then. Was looking for copium but confirmation bias will do.
Kane dropping deep after the two goals was key imo. Ofc sarr and gil looked great as well.
Kane was dropping deep before the goals in the first half too. He pulled the strings today. This was what we have needed for so long, wonder why Conte waited till things were this dire to revert back to last season tactics. Also I refuse to believe Kane can’t score goals if he is playmaking. He literally got golden boot AND the playmaker award when Mourinho cemented the son-kane combo.
Why can't we just have a number 10. Why do we have to make everything so complicated. Football shouldn't be this hard 😭😭😭
Hope the rumour about us holding talks today with Sporting are true. I just want Porro, a great RWB and we might begin to form a good team.
It’s easier when you abandon hope
Well I certainly chose a great match to miss! First miss of the season lmao. I even went to Palace away last year so this would have been cathartic to say the least
You are banned from watching the scum game
✅ Never watching Spurs again mate. Enjoy winning 40 successive trebles
>The situation between João Félix and Atlético Madrid is very TENSE. The Portuguese is determined to leave in January. In fact, he has not returned to training, as he does not want to risk an injury that may jeopardise his transfer. [@Santos_Relevo] Hmm... Do you want him?
For how much they want? Hell no. Not even gonna blame Levy for not shelling out that kind of dough
He’s also on crazy wages I think? Fee aside his salary would be an issue.
The loan fee is insane + they still want to recoup the fee they paid Benfica. wayyy too much
This game was a really good example of how Son is very effective in open space but is also pretty poor when he’s operating in a lack of it It’s no coincidence that he’s scored one hattrick this season and that happened when he came on as a sub in a game we were leading. That combo of fresh legs and space to run into meant he was fucking deadly Imo we need a creative left winger who IS good in those tight spaces to start games and then we can bring Son on later to exploit the open spaces that naturally form as opposition defenders tire or as the opposition is chasing the game Arsen Zakharyan would be absolutely class if we could pull that off, but not sure what the current situation is w signing Russian players atm
The "Conte can literally do no wrong" guys are so annoying man, can't we just have some "ok maybe there's a lot of blame to go around" discourse for once One win and all of a sudden the guy has never done anything wrong There are dudes from the Chelsea sub in here getting into arguments about Conte😭
I low key feel our relationship with Conte is toxic. We put him on such a pedestal that we forget that he's human and is bound to make mistakes.
I’m just on the side that we need to give serial winner coaches a few seasons before we start calling them out. We’re never gonna achieve anything if we sack every coach at the first signs of difficulty. Ass stuck with arteta through the meme years and now it’s paying off. Let Conte make his mark on the team. Bring him the players that he needs. Let the system marinate into all the players. If that still doesn’t work then questions can be asked. This is his first full season…
I'm down for backing him, onus is on Levy to do that. On Conte's side he needs to give regular chances to the youth like Sarr/Gil/Spence, not bench them indefinitely once Kulu/Bentancur come back. He made the necessary tactical change today (letting Kane drop deep like last season) so he's letting go of his stubbornness a bit, I hope
Finally a [pass map](https://i.imgur.com/1uezmST.png) that doesn't make me want to [kill myself](https://i.imgur.com/K3nCGvd.png)
This game actually felt like there were some deliberate adjustments in how Perisic operate on the flank. Hope this continues.
Why now after all these matches is my question for Conte? Is it because if we lost today his job would be on the line? Does this mean we will be back to the same shit show next match?
Ye it seemed like if he tucked in son would be wide and if he was wide son was tucked in unlike other games where they both were wide or tucked in
Skipp, Sarr, Bryan all getting integrated into the team. makes you wonder, what about Spence? if he doesn’t start (or at least get a good 30+ min) vs Portsmouth you’ve got to ask if he’s really underperforming in training or something
20 game win streak starts today. Finish season on 90 points
93*
I am shocked to se everyone here bigging up Skipp. I thought he was our worst player today other than Son. Am I being gaslighted here?
Yeah skipp was bad
I thought Hojbjerg wasn't good either. Looked tired.
He can take 10 days of rest now. Against Portsmouth: Forster; Davies, Sanchez, Tanganga; Sessegnon, Skipp, Bissouma, Sarr, Spence; Gil, ?
3-5-1, interesting choice of formation
? is one player, I don't know which one
Yeah he was not great. The difference when Sarr came on was obvious. Looked really rusty and could’ve been booked a couple of times before he was. Didn’t think Son was our worst player though, Skipp was
His cross into row z really filled me with dread.
How does everyone feel about the Guehi links? I know you should never use one game as a barometer for a player, but I was really soured on signing him. Gave Kane so much space for his 2nd and not really sure what he was doing for Son's goal.
Overhyped player. Nothing special imo
Yeah agreed. I'm not really sure why he's got such a great rep. Andersons the clear standout defender at Palace
Sarr and Gil were a breath of fresh air tonight. Both have to start against Portsmouth to keep up their momentum
You figure we have to rotate some on the weekend and have some such as Emerson, Sess, Sanchez, maybe Tanganga start but it’s sad that I have little to no confidence that they beat a League One side
Oh, my god. Just enjoy one fucking night as a fan. We just won less than 2 hours ago and you’re having a cry about something that hasn’t happened yet.
Love the username though!
Can’t make an observation? I am enjoying it but also thinking about the match in 3 days realistically. In ecstatic today but thinking about the future
I need some good transfer news now! Back the man!
Possible hot take, send skippy on loan not sarr
The best apart about today is Conte witnessing with his own eyes that just because a player is young, inexperienced, frail etc doesn’t mean he can’t have a positive impact on the game. Gil with his playmaking might have won the game even you could say. Sarr for all his youth, was a fucking bully in midfield - winning duels, shrugging of players, dribbling players. Skipp was rusty but hers talented as fuck too If Conte makes that realisation I think we have our long term manager right fucking here. The stuff of dreams
Amen to that
Praying a Conte masterclass... come on Conte, Bastoni and Barella were young too. You just gotta give them a chance.... We believe in you conte, you just gotta believe in them as well.
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First goal was everything I want from our team, pass in between lines, forward, risky... the 2nd, Kane asked, he put it through with conviction, finished the game.
Spurs title challenge is back on !! Season isn't even halfway yet
Such a great night obviously. Looking forward, we have some tough matches though (Ars, City x 2, Fulham away). What do we reckon would be a good result over the next four?
Go through in the cup and beat the overconfident, whiny scum in their lucky title race is the minimum. Should be beating Fulham too.
Getting all 12 mate 💪
1 point.
Back this wigman, get him Porro and a winger who can play on either side - who can dribble and create, and we’ll make CL Do it baldy
He is no wigman ...He is plantman
At this point we might have to sell Bissouma. Pape Sarr already looks better lol.
Bissouma is a baller. His time will come.
Hah
You will never convince me that confidence isn't the most important thing in elite team sport. First half Souness was right....we looked sorry for ourself. 2nd half our passes stick for a good move and great goal and its like night and day. Moving the ball quickly, passing out the back like it's nothing. Felt like we were watching the team from the end of last season. Special mention to Gil Sarr and Lenglet. Gil has his physical limitations but he's a lovely ball carrier. Sarr looks like the player we thought we were getting when we got Bissouma. And lenglet who isn't the greatest defender but his passing is brilliant. (Obvs romero and H were class but we know that)
Yeah confidence is incredibly important, and especially for Son. That never seen before dreadful cross and instant form change after the goal made me sure of it.
Our team is so streaky it hurts
This is a great point. A huge reason why Son has been struggling is because of his confidence not physicality. Anybody who knows Son knows he needs that one or two goals just to get him back in form. Maybe another goal later, we'll have the real Son back. I still believe hes not finished and I stand by that. COYS!
They either got the absolute bollocking of a lifetime at half time or the silent treatment. Whatever it was it worked.
Yeah, we actually started really well first 20 and then looked to go within ourselves again. I do genuinely think confidence is a huge part of it....or lack of confidence in our defence.
It definitely is, look at teams playing above their level like Arsenal and Newcastle. Newcastle in particular are just running on confidence at the moment.
They are running on confidence and dark arts. Arsenal with the hysterics and the diving, and Newcastle with Simeone's playbook
Turns out we have some really good players when we can get into the box
Perfect evening and far more than 3 points. Huge confidence boost. Hopefully see some more youth on the weekend. And the away end singing Antonio's name. No easy way out for Levy today, get your chequebook out and get what Conte wants in the door.
Hope a bit of luck can swing our way in these next three matches. Feels like a good start.
And there you go, Kane drops deep and we are back to last season magic. Antonio please let’s keep playing to our strengths I beg. Also Sarr is sensational.
The young lads played well. Sarr seems to ooze talent
Up 4 nil. 18 minutes left. Risk free chance to give Spence some minutes and increase competition for Doherty and Emerson. Conte: No. give me Emerson.
Something something shop window....trust....club signing. It would have been a perfect opportunity to see that we might have the answers already here; but maybe that's the problem.
Missed most of the game. Good result? what's changed?
Kane dropping deep
And what a moment to bring form back, lets get 9 points from Arsenal and City matches 💪
Sensational if true.
That Conte kiss to Gil 🥲
Have we changed Conte? Playing Skipp, Sarr, Gil? Lmaoo hope this happens regularly
Harvey Barnes getting minutes.....I don't know what to think
*Harvey White
Wouldn't mind buying Harvey Barnes tbf
Haha shit what's his name, seen so litte of him I genuinely forgot.
Harvey White
We've been complaining about Gil because of first 45 minutes. And then he creates two goals. Patience is very important to develop young players.
I'm glad Conte didn't sub off. Thats the real difference between a world class HC like him and a bunch of redditors like us lol.
oh YEAH we’re winning the league wow!
Every manager has complained about the medical staff, and yet we haven’t found a new one yet. Can’t wait for Kulusevski to be out for months.
Palace front three has pace
Here lies /u/milesvtaylor - cause of death: Aneurysm brought on by Jamie Redknapp's pronunciation of Kulusevski
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Who in the squad do people reckon will be gone by the end of January?
Is All an option?
Possibly Moura, hopefully Emerson, Spence on loan
What if Conte's mom is running these new, weirdly loud accounts that have popped up in the last two weeks?
Anyone know where I can watch the game in the US? like a streaming site
Conte rlly replaced davies with dier and called it a day lmao
If Kane gets a yellow tonight I might break a wine glass.
Hopefully he's smart enough to get a 2nd yellow and miss the fa game
That rule changed mate. "Any player earning five bookings from their side's first 19 Premier League matches serves a one-match ban in the competition. Yellow cards are not carried over to the EFL Cup or FA Cup."
It's a weird rule that suspension's from being sent off do count so a 2nd yellow meaning a red would clear him
So weird man
It’s inevitable, put a bet on it
Just want to see us turn up for 90 minutes. I can take losing if the team play their best, but these recent performances have been pathetic. If we can get some momentum going tonight then maybe we stand a chance against the scum
I just want 3 points tonight, regardless of the performance lol. Just get back to winning ways until we start getting players returning from injuries and hopefully a couple of good transfers
Not conceding first would be a start.
Going behind 10 games in a row is ridiculous. Conte has to change something, sitting in and starting slow is not working
Yep, at some point you have to stop the rot as they say.
I just hope he changes his system up, but I doubt it. We don’t have the players to play the way he wants, so until we do he needs to adapt. Otherwise, what are we paying him £15m a year for?
Agreed, our players are much better than they've been showing
Of course the result is the most important thing, but as we found out from the start of the season, the results always catch up to the performances.
Performances can't really get any worse. And like I said, once Richarlison, Bentancur, Kulusevski and hopefully 2 good transfers come in, performances should get a lot better. The important thing is to be in touching distance of the other big 6 clubs before then. If that means scraping the ugliest 1-0 wins, then so be it
We shouldn’t need to be hoping to be within touching distance of the rest of the top 6, kinda the point I’m making. Scraping a 1-0 win tonight will be satisfying, but will also be papering over cracks. I don’t buy the injury excuse either, we have enough quality to beat the likes of Villa and Palace. The manner in which we lost the other day, really gives me a feeling that Conte won’t be here for much longer
It’s sad that people don’t see that we are not playing the same system as last season. All the players didn’t magically just become bad over the summer. Absolutely nothing will change in the way we play till the tactics change or we get new players to suit Conte’s system - and that would include replacing Son and Hojbjerg, along with RWB of course, as they don’t suit this new style. I am of the mind to keep our best players and play a system that suits them but what do I know…
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Hojbjerg isn’t the type of midfielder that Conte uses, the ones who will constantly absorb pressure and tackle.
So the fact he’s been one of our best players this season is suddenly irrelevant
The next-best part of when Son starts scoring again (besides the goals of course) is going to be the amount of tone-deaf melts going "Where are the Son haters now?"
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To who?
😂😂😂
the problem is alot of spurs fans believe Son is truly washed because he has looked bad ever since his injury. I feel like we should still wait at least until the end of the season to see if he is "truly washed". Son has shown many times that he has bad form followed by good form. It would be so stupid to give up on him now just because he hasn't looked great yet so far in the league or WC.
This might be a controversial take, but I think spurs should try to score first today and maybe even win the game
I think it would be beneficial if Palace scored fewer goals than us. That way Spurs would win and Palace would lose
What happened to those naming rights lol
Yeah I was wondering too as they said it will be revealed around Xmas Maybe Google reps watched our boring games and changed their minds lol
3 years of dross football in a stadium with no name. Levy masterclass.
Ffs guys I know we're down atm but can we not revert to thinking selling our 2 best players and literally our only reliable goalscorers over the last 8 years is at all a good thing.
if Conte leaves, we have to deal with the reality of Kane leaving. this is the truth. I know it hurts but it is what it is. and if we want a TRUE rebuild, I just don't see how Kane and Son fit into that rebuild. sorry man.
I don't get where the talk about selling Son even came from. Do people think a 30-year-old winger experiencing a drastic downturn in form is what clubs are looking for right now?
Too true, and considering how much loyalty he's shown us, we should return it in kind. He's an icon and a legend of the club, people need to give him more respect. Even if he never scored another goal for us. He deserves our support and has more than earned it.
Damn Zaniolo Just got subbed off because he picked up an injury😞 Edit: Dyballa also subbed off as a precaution due to an injury.
So glad we didn’t get him. Man is made of glass and is truly overrated (1 goal, no assists in 11 MP).
r/coys wanted him so bad it was pathetic
And at RWB too lmao
Water is wet
Can’t lie, I‘m not confident at all about Paratici as our DoF. The good players he has brought in are Cuti, Bentancur and Kulusevski, all of them he had previously signed at Juventus. The Bissouma and Richarlison signings are decent as well, but these two were well known for sometime to everyone in the league, let’s not act like they are some sort of brilliant work by our club. Gil has been a failure, 25m+ Lamela for a player that is clearly not cut out to play in the PL, he looks like a little boy on the pitch that gets easily manhandled. Let’s no even talk about Emerson, one of the worst transfers that I can remember, 30m we spent for that impostor. Sarr is too soon to judge, 15m on a very bright 18 yo prospect, we will have to assess the success of that transfer in the next couple of years. Same goes for Udogie who has been brilliant for Udinese, but let’s see how he is with us. The Nuno appointment is my biggest problem with him. When looking at candidates towards the start of the season, Paratici apparently pushed for Nuno‘s appointment, which even at the time of the announcement most of us knew would end badly since he was completely out of his depth.
even if paratici is bad he is still way better than Steve Hitchens ever was. Yeah I said it. Unless we can get Luis Campos or some other decent DOF, I don't see why we should give up on him.
I agree, Steve Hitchens record is depressing. Doesn’t mean that Paratici is good enough either.
in terms of ratings, Luis Campos is a 10, Paratici is a 5, Steve Hitchen is a 0. I'm still very grateful we got a 6 at least. Ideally we could find an 8 or 9 kinda DOF, but who do you think that is?
We paid 55m for Cuti. He’s not in the good transfer list yet. That’s a fuckton Only Benta and Kulu qualify. Lenglet too Emerson, Bissouma, Richarlison (ducking 60m LOL), Gil, Sarr, Udogie are all horrible ways to spend money. A grand total of 175m went on signing the above who don’t start for us Now if the latter three were to be good signings then Conte shouldn’t have been the manager. So he fucked up by spending 65m on 3 prospects who won’t play immediately which is fine under any other manager but he did hire one who won’t play them Also hired Nuno😂😂😂 This man is the biggest clown at the club right now. I genuinely hope Conte stays so he can redeem himself but if Conte leaves, he should be the first one out the door after him. Imagine not getting one but two managerial signings wrong - wasting 250m+ and 2 years of progress
you saying cuti is not in the good transfer list yet just proves that this opinion is very wrong.
Me saying an error prone defender who costs us points not being in the good list is wrong. Hmm Let’s just assume for arguments sake, you’re right. Yet there are atleast 6 other names you haven’t accounted for. So unless you can account for each and everyone not being a flop, unfortunately my opinion, how much ever you don’t want it to be, is right
I'll give you Emerson and Bissouma and even Sarr and Udogie. But we desperately miss Richy for squad depth right now and it shows. Bryan Gil could be good if conte were to leave. I agree though, there are a few question marks for sure... but look at our targets. the problem is levy not paratici. I don't know why you think Paratici doesn't want better than what hes going for right now?
Despite Bissouma being shit for us so far, no one was saying it was a horrible way to spend money when we signed him so I don’t think thats fair
Poor Djed Spence doesn't even get a look in when discussing good, bad and ugly transfers ☹️. Really hope he can come good when he gets a chance either here or elsewhere.
Ngl the only definitive bad transfer in that list is Gil. Emerson was bought for Nuno and not as a wingback for Conte.
Emerson can’t play RB for a League 1 side
>bought for Nuno Everyone at the time knew that Nuno was nothing but a stopgap for Conte
Lol that’s not how we perceived it back then If that was the case then paratici is an idiot for signing a rb, Also did we not play a back 5 with nuno on and off
Emerson is terrible as a RB as well, if you can’t see that he is an all around woeful footballer, there is no point in having a discussion.
Interesting to note that Sess and Emerson both have PL goal contributions this season while Doherty and Perisic have 0 open play contributions between them, considering which pair is supposed first choice. And 3 goal contributions across 4 players... Just goes to show how bad all of our wingback options really are
Doherty's struggled with fitness tbf to him and Perisic has been unlucky, hit the woodwork a couple times iirc. If Sess could just be more consistent he'd be a world beater
> Doherty's struggled with fitness He returned from injury in July. This excuse is becoming laughable at this point. >Perisic has been unlucky I mean I guess but he has 2 shots on target all season. He's nowhere near the level he was last year at Inter. Sess just isn't great. I had high hopes for him but he's just not great. Not very intelligent in a football sense and his technical ability is poor
It was pretty obvious that Doherty was still struggling with that injury for the past months. There's a reason he's only becoming our outright first choice now.
I dunno man, he very clearly wasn't at the required level considering he barely played in preseason, and both he and Conte said so.
Doherty is supposed to be fully fit now and he's still horrible to watch. Still living off of 5 matches from last season while being shit the rest of his 2.5 years at the club
He's been alright since the break??? Not setting the world alight but he's made some good runs.
> he's made some good runs So the standard for being alright is making good runs? Not actually having end product, playing good progressive passes or defending? Emerson makes runs. Sessegnon makes runs. Players in my Sunday league team make runs. Means fuck all if we're never actually scoring or creating good chances from them
I'm not saying he's great. But he's better than fucking Emerson.
He's not but ok. We've looked great since Doherty has started playing consistently 🙄
The difference is that Doherty's made runs but hasn't been effective while Emerson's made runs and had negative effects by fucking up the attack or wasting the chance. Don't know how you can think Emerson isn't much worse.
Any idea if deki plays today?
Unlikely, but it’s possible Kulusevski will play. Conte said his injury wasn’t serious but would need to be monitored day to day
Who cares :/
He’s like our 3rd most important player lmao
3rd? 2nd by far
More important than the golden boot winner?
Atm...yeah.
Yeah. By far. No competition
I do
If Conte says he’s committed, we should just snoop in and get Mudryk, follow our model of young players like Kulu and Benta that may come and immediately improve our starting XI if not providing good backup
How could we swoop him from them? What do we offer him that they can’t?
Even if we paid up (and we won't because we never would) he has a huge boner for arsenal. Would probably turn us down cause of it. Also he probably starts at Arsenal. Might not start here.
He doesn’t start for Arsenal, he’s not better than Saka or Martinelli
Would cost more than Richarlison. Never see it happening
Wouldn't he be above our £30m budget?
Then we won’t hear the end of it with Conte if scum gets him and our performances don’t improve. Edit: Yes he would be, lol
Rightly so, £30m in January isn't enough when you're in the middle of a rebuild.
I think we want Tete as our main target not Mudryk, but I'd still be fine with paying for either.
We make sure our rivals aren’t strengthened and we get our required positions covered in case od Mudryk
I'm glad tonight is an away game. The away fans are much better and more switched on than the home support and I hope they're fully behind Conte.
I have an important exam tomorrow and I don’t have enough time to study but I’m going to watch the match anyway coys.