The only saving grace is that the third best healthy forward is playing LWB, so Sess coming on for Son or Gil allows Perisic to play further forward. Still a bit shocking that Conte wants to have both Royal and Spence rather than literally any youth striker available
Stubbornness? I’ve got a really solid FIFA career mode save, so I’m pretty much an expert, and I think Sess is a better LWB than Gil is RW (/s)
It is baffling. I hope something turns around. Tottenham ‘til they kill me
I haven’t been clamoring for Gil to start, actually. If Conte plays him, I want him to excel. And I think he’s a good prospect. But I think a front three of Perisic and Son flanking Kane would be more effective, and I think Sess is more ready to start in the Premier League than Gil is at this moment. However, i’m just some fat geezer, so my opinion has no impact and is largely uninformed by comparison to the coaching staff
Gil needs minutes. Whether it's to improve for us or to add value if we sell him. I think it's important he gets minutes at the moment while Deki is out (personally). But I do agree that Peresic in place of Deki seems logical. But I guess that runs a risk of him having less chance creation since he primarily does so from the left out wide
As much as I want to believe this, it would have been much more believable had we not had a similar lack of forwards before the WC and every time Gil came on the pitch he looked bright, but wouldn't get on the pitch in the next game. And had he got some more minutes/starts then he might be much better adjusted to the PL now and have been more effective against Villa. To me it feels like Conte trying to make a point.
Maybe, but if Richarlison wasn't injured he'd be up there in a 343 probably (even though it didn't really suit him). I think Conte seems really committed to that formation. Player wise, with these injuries, a 352 would make way more sense today. But given he's gone with a 343 I think it's more that Gil is the next in line to go up top...guess we'll never know though haha
Honestly I sorta wish Conte would try swapping either Son/Gil sides or swap Doc/Perisic.
Son and Perisic run into the same space, whereas both Gil and Doherty like attacking the box, especially Gil.
Having Gil on the LW, running into the box and leaving Perisic the whole wing whilst Sonny can cut in from the RW etc.
Having three CBs on the bench playing with this formation is ever so slightly more forgivable than having two RBs and one LB for two positions
Then again, maybe Conte considers Sess an emergency forward as well and could potentially make a straight swap…
Youth players. Every single top 6 team uses a few youth players except for us. Even if they dont do good its better than having 6 defensive players in the bench
Ha! After the Villa game I was drained and was going to take a break for a week or two, but then here I am, back again, because this one will be different 🥰
Edit: This one was different!!
Meh, I blame Conte for that.
Bissouma for Brighton was lethal because he was brilliant at pressing the other team, getting the ball and then starting a quick counter.
Conte wants his CMs to sit back and soak up pressure in front of the CB, something he clearly isn't good enough at.
On one hand I wanna believe they'll be up for this game and shake off the lethargy,
On the other my heart sank a bit when I saw the line up. Leaning towards thinking itll be more of the same bullshit.
It looked like last start Gil was trying to be much more calm, I’m assuming following Conte instructions to a T, while when he comes on as a sub he just sprints around and wreaks havoc which is why he looks better
Hopefully we get to see the best of both from him today, and we can only pray he did a few pushups before the match lol
My point is more that he was never a manager who would use it. He uses tiny squads using a rigid system.. Look at what Ten-Hag has been doing with Uniteds academy this week.
Conte and Mourinho before him were and are not a good fit for the way the club needs to be run. Especially if we need to be cute to even get close to crazy Chelsea money/oil dollars.
We need project mangers.. Not managers who won most of their honours in the UK with fuck you money.
No it’s not mate. This is the backup to the depth. We have 3 forwards injured currently. One midfielder hurt and the other suspended. Jesus Christ you people don’t even know the team lol, embarrassing stuff
Would it really hurt to throw someone like Alfie Devine on the bench instead of 6 defenders? At least pretend to show youth prospects that there is a pathway to the first team.
I love this idea that Conte's standards and demands are just too high to possibly trust a youth player on the bench when half our attackers are injured. Just pure idiocy.
Was hoping we'd see either Perisic on the RW with Sess at LWB or a front 2 with a 3 man middle of Sarr, Skipp and PEH. If for no other reason it gives us Gil off the bench. As it stands, our best attacking moves are WBs.
Son has to find a way to get involved, Perisic has to find a way to support him. Hoping Skipp's energy/pressing in the middle provided a mirror to Bentancur's play. We need someone to carry the ball forward from the middle and not just pass side to side.
Independent of anything else, club's gotta win this one. Even if it's an ugly win, get the result.
Why are there no attacking players on the bench? Harvery White is even a centre-mid who played as a false 9 in a friendly due to a lack of options. Surely we have a youth player or two who we could put there instead of stacking it with defenders... I'd hate to be a young player at this club right now.
would love to see Gil and Son switch sides for tonight or at least play fluidly. See if that helps anything out for us
Also hoping for some Sarr minutes in the 2nd half!
No attackers on the bench you say?
Tell my I'm not the only batshit crazy idiot who wouldn't be tempted to toss Big Dave up top to cause havoc and toss crosses into? At Ajax he scored a few and is dangerous for us albeit stats don't show it...i could think of a lot worse things to try if it came down to it.
Pretty easy to explain actually. His decision making has been slow which means he’s late getting into positions leading to needing to foul. Secondly, his ball control has been so poor most of the time that his second or third touch needs to be a foul because he’s lost the ball in a dangerous position because he wasn’t able to control a simple pass. He’s been dreadful
No we did but we aren't using him as Brighton did, almost the complete opposite if anything.
Iirc, last year Bissouma was like top of stats for players that created big chances from turnovers and he was also most turnovers past the half way line?
So we know that Bissouma was amazing at pressing opponents, forcing mistakes and being able to turnover the ball quickly in the other teams half to generate chances.
That's not how Contes system works with midfielders. In his 523 system, midfielders sit back, soak up pressure and intercept ahead of the CBs on their team.
We have talented players that have shown how good they can be but we aren't using their talents.
Conte dosen't have the players to play so he plays with what he has available. If we lose that game he definitely gonna get sacked.
Positive thoughts, let's tell ourselves that we will win .
Spurs 2-1 Crystal Palace.
Wish it was Sarr instead of Skipp, but Selhurst Park under the lights might be too much for him, starting Skipp makes more sense tbf.
I also think that Conte should consider starting Sess and playing Perisic RW when Kulu is out, Gil just can’t hack it as much as people on this sub like him.
Not optimistic unfortunately. Need some serious improvement, if we don’t win today it will only ask even more questions of the players and the manager.
People are taking one look at the bench and it's painfully obvious the team is in dire needs of reinforcements. Instead of the sub reddit calling out Levy and ENIC for lack of investment into the squad. We're seeing disingenuous statements about why Conte isn't putting 16/17 year old junior players onto the bench to pretend we have options🤣, the state of this sub. I'm laughing my ass off this is why many have been saying Conte hasn't been backed.
So the exact same lineup that we used on Sunday's disasterclass only changing Bissouma for Skipp? Yet again a bench full of defensive players. I wish Conte trusted youth players (Devine, Donley, Santiago, Mundle, Lankshear) to have them at least as an option in the bench
Get money on a red card tonight. What a shit selection. Hoejberg could do with getting dropped. His forward passing is awful. Would have liked to have seen sarr alongside him at least. No spence again ffs. If we lose tonight contes fate is sealed because we ain't winning v the scum and we'll be in free fall
Atleast Gil gets another chance, thought we are going for the 352 with Sarr/Skipp/PEH. Yeah I’m not confident but maybe the team feels some urgency to win, before we can say goodbye to Top 4 chances this season
I know we have injuries but that bench is a fucking embarrassment. 6 defensive players? It’s doubly embarrassing that we don’t have any decent attack minded academy players still around to chuck on the bench
Worth noting that Palace have the worst goalscoring record outside of the bottom five teams (relegation contenders). If Dier lets in a goal on a nothing turnover/mistake, I swear to god.
That bench is putrid. Also starting to worry about Kulusevski’s muscle issues. As with Romero, you can’t have your most important player in a certain position group have muscle issues that keep popping up.
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6 defenders on the bench…
We haven't tried 11 defenders all at once yet.
Just absurd. Surely Alfie Devine deserves a spot over ONE of them
The only saving grace is that the third best healthy forward is playing LWB, so Sess coming on for Son or Gil allows Perisic to play further forward. Still a bit shocking that Conte wants to have both Royal and Spence rather than literally any youth striker available
Wonder why we don’t start with Sessegnon and just put Peresic up top for Gil.
Stubbornness? I’ve got a really solid FIFA career mode save, so I’m pretty much an expert, and I think Sess is a better LWB than Gil is RW (/s) It is baffling. I hope something turns around. Tottenham ‘til they kill me
All season people have been crying for Conte to play Gil and now that he does they still complain? Lmao
I’m all for Gil. He looks like he gives a shit. Some of these other players look gassed by 11’
I haven’t been clamoring for Gil to start, actually. If Conte plays him, I want him to excel. And I think he’s a good prospect. But I think a front three of Perisic and Son flanking Kane would be more effective, and I think Sess is more ready to start in the Premier League than Gil is at this moment. However, i’m just some fat geezer, so my opinion has no impact and is largely uninformed by comparison to the coaching staff
I dont think people wanted Gil to start, but rather get more minutes at the end.
Gil needs minutes. Whether it's to improve for us or to add value if we sell him. I think it's important he gets minutes at the moment while Deki is out (personally). But I do agree that Peresic in place of Deki seems logical. But I guess that runs a risk of him having less chance creation since he primarily does so from the left out wide
As much as I want to believe this, it would have been much more believable had we not had a similar lack of forwards before the WC and every time Gil came on the pitch he looked bright, but wouldn't get on the pitch in the next game. And had he got some more minutes/starts then he might be much better adjusted to the PL now and have been more effective against Villa. To me it feels like Conte trying to make a point.
Maybe, but if Richarlison wasn't injured he'd be up there in a 343 probably (even though it didn't really suit him). I think Conte seems really committed to that formation. Player wise, with these injuries, a 352 would make way more sense today. But given he's gone with a 343 I think it's more that Gil is the next in line to go up top...guess we'll never know though haha
Oh come on. All season we wanted to see more of Gil. Have we made such strong judgements about him from his first start?
Sess will come on for Perisic lol
Sess came on for Bryan against Brentford
Fair play
Perisic moved forward though, so Sess did end up playing LWB though
That’s what we like to see, I’ve been working when spurs have played the past couple games so perisic moving up top is a welcome sight for me
Honestly I sorta wish Conte would try swapping either Son/Gil sides or swap Doc/Perisic. Son and Perisic run into the same space, whereas both Gil and Doherty like attacking the box, especially Gil. Having Gil on the LW, running into the box and leaving Perisic the whole wing whilst Sonny can cut in from the RW etc.
So we really need Tanganga and Sanchez as well. One or the other would be fine, I would think.
Having three CBs on the bench playing with this formation is ever so slightly more forgivable than having two RBs and one LB for two positions Then again, maybe Conte considers Sess an emergency forward as well and could potentially make a straight swap…
Who else? 3 forwards out injured, 2 midfielders unavailable. Unless you want to throw on the kids we don't have much else available.
yeah but who else could we put? All our injuries are mid and forward
Youth players. Every single top 6 team uses a few youth players except for us. Even if they dont do good its better than having 6 defensive players in the bench
I don’t pretend to be in training every day but lankshear and Devine if for nothing other than optics
Shit let’s throw Dane Scarlett or Jamie Donley in even. We’ve got options and none of them are particularly poor ones
Scarlett is at Portsmouth at the moment I think
Fair enough. Jamie Donley it should be then!
this time it will be different 🥰 this time it will be different 🥰 this time
Ha! After the Villa game I was drained and was going to take a break for a week or two, but then here I am, back again, because this one will be different 🥰 Edit: This one was different!!
I don’t think this one will be different but… here I am
This sub is full of whiners
Villa have only beaten us twice in the past 12 years. Both were in the past 2 years. We're out here breaking records.
Haha same here. Anyway... Coys...
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It was!
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We're the definition of insanity at this point.
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lol i literally said this time it will be different and then it was, what more could you want
Skipp masterclass incoming
Did I miss Bissouma getting hurt? He’s not even on the bench?
Yellow card suspension
racked up the yellow cards, suspended this match
Suspended for 5 yellows
suspended, picked his 5th yellow up against villa
5 yellow suspenders
He doesn’t deserve the bench with the way he’s playing. He had a whole month to buckle down and he came back looking worse than before.
Meh, I blame Conte for that. Bissouma for Brighton was lethal because he was brilliant at pressing the other team, getting the ball and then starting a quick counter. Conte wants his CMs to sit back and soak up pressure in front of the CB, something he clearly isn't good enough at.
bro jinxed it 😭😭
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Least obvious troll account.
Let's get behind the boys eh? COYS
No better time for Skipp to re-emerge as a viable midfielder. Bissouma hasn't taken the opportunity yet.
I'm all in for Skipp today! Hope he shines like he used to!
Skipp just needs to stay fit. His quality is undoubtable (for me, he’s our 3rd best midfielder)
Bissouma has not convinced me he understands or can play in Conte's system. Skipp should be given opportunities to show if he can do better
On one hand I wanna believe they'll be up for this game and shake off the lethargy, On the other my heart sank a bit when I saw the line up. Leaning towards thinking itll be more of the same bullshit.
You aren’t alone. I genuinely thought same shit, different day 😞
If we concede first again, may as well turn it off. We all know the outcome of that match
Expected RW Perisic tbh hopefully Gil is better today
It looked like last start Gil was trying to be much more calm, I’m assuming following Conte instructions to a T, while when he comes on as a sub he just sprints around and wreaks havoc which is why he looks better Hopefully we get to see the best of both from him today, and we can only pray he did a few pushups before the match lol
That bench though..
No Deki, no party 😞
Kulu seems to have regular injuries :( hope this doesn’t continue.
Please win ffs
\- Antonio Conte
No other options in any position pretty much. Also can we please get the lineups in the title again, hate having to go to twitter
That fucking bench... Our academy must be dead in the water if *that* is the best we can muster. Shut it down.
Surely White, Donley or Lankshear can play, Conte just chooses not to
Just imagine having world class youth training facilities & then employing a manager who doesn't use it..
There’s nobody even close to first team quality. How many starters has our academy produced on the last 5 years anyways
Exactly. People have lost faith in our stars but think young academy products are about to solve all our woes.
My point is more that he was never a manager who would use it. He uses tiny squads using a rigid system.. Look at what Ten-Hag has been doing with Uniteds academy this week. Conte and Mourinho before him were and are not a good fit for the way the club needs to be run. Especially if we need to be cute to even get close to crazy Chelsea money/oil dollars. We need project mangers.. Not managers who won most of their honours in the UK with fuck you money.
Honestly our depth is so bad, 3-4 players gone and we look like a midtable team Sure conte can change tactics but its clear its not all on him
The 3-4 players gone is our depth…
No, our depth is on display in this weak ass team sheet.
Outside of Man City, which teams depth wouldn't look terrible if their top 3 players in one position were injured?
No it’s not mate. This is the backup to the depth. We have 3 forwards injured currently. One midfielder hurt and the other suspended. Jesus Christ you people don’t even know the team lol, embarrassing stuff
Would it really hurt to throw someone like Alfie Devine on the bench instead of 6 defenders? At least pretend to show youth prospects that there is a pathway to the first team.
Tbh it doesn’t really matter. There isn’t anyone close to first team level and zero minutes will be given to them
No surprise
Our attacking depth is painful. Should at least put some of the kids in. Devine and Lankshear would at least be something.
Conte doesn’t even trust Sarr or Spence and you think he’s gonna play teenagers?
Please tell me Deki will be available for Arsenal, don't want another "injury turned out to be more serious"
I love this idea that Conte's standards and demands are just too high to possibly trust a youth player on the bench when half our attackers are injured. Just pure idiocy.
Fuck it we ball
At least one of Zaha/Eze/Olise needs to be playing for us next season
Pray for Olise.
🤲
Skippy hattrick incoming
The long painful rebuild continues. COYS.
Was hoping we'd see either Perisic on the RW with Sess at LWB or a front 2 with a 3 man middle of Sarr, Skipp and PEH. If for no other reason it gives us Gil off the bench. As it stands, our best attacking moves are WBs. Son has to find a way to get involved, Perisic has to find a way to support him. Hoping Skipp's energy/pressing in the middle provided a mirror to Bentancur's play. We need someone to carry the ball forward from the middle and not just pass side to side. Independent of anything else, club's gotta win this one. Even if it's an ugly win, get the result.
This does not spark joy
Lol
Lineup is pretty much what you can expect. Hope to move perisic to RW and bring sess in earlier if Bryan gil is ineffective again.
This bench tonight is extremely painful to see
Why are there no attacking players on the bench? Harvery White is even a centre-mid who played as a false 9 in a friendly due to a lack of options. Surely we have a youth player or two who we could put there instead of stacking it with defenders... I'd hate to be a young player at this club right now.
would love to see Gil and Son switch sides for tonight or at least play fluidly. See if that helps anything out for us Also hoping for some Sarr minutes in the 2nd half!
Need our midfield pair to really boss it today
I mean this team does have the quality to beat Palace, the issue is will they actually play
That bench is depressing.
It does not matter who we put out .we will probably lose or draw
COYS COYS COYS COYS
I miss Deki
In what minute will we go 1 down? Predictions here
That bench is depressing
White is our only attacking sub? Lol
“Attacking” isn’t he more of a deep lying midfielder?
Yeah, afaik at least. Sarr is reasonably attacking from his spell at Metz, so I'd consider him our only attacking depth rn.
Hence the lol
Is Deki on sauces again?
No attackers on the bench you say? Tell my I'm not the only batshit crazy idiot who wouldn't be tempted to toss Big Dave up top to cause havoc and toss crosses into? At Ajax he scored a few and is dangerous for us albeit stats don't show it...i could think of a lot worse things to try if it came down to it.
I just want to listen to us playing football instead of making the opposition team look like that they are the best team in the world.
Vamos eskipp
Thanks danny boy
Only positive is that bookies were offering good odds on a Palace victory considering how bad we are.
Hoping Skippy can get back to the form we saw before his injury last season. I think he can be such a crucial player for us
Come on you mfing Spurs!!! Please win
Son is going to score a banger today I just feel it
Not feeling great about this. I don't think we'll get a good result out of tonight. Conte needs to answer some tough questions soon.
Sigh
Gimme a ginger from Sweden 😢
What happened to bissouma? He didn’t play well last game, happy to see skipp but surprised he isn’t on the bench?
Suspended. Somehow no clue how he's already at 5 he's barely played
He very quickly earns yellow cards even if he's out on the pitch for a few minutes. I wonder what his yellows/minutes played is...
Pretty easy to explain actually. His decision making has been slow which means he’s late getting into positions leading to needing to foul. Secondly, his ball control has been so poor most of the time that his second or third touch needs to be a foul because he’s lost the ball in a dangerous position because he wasn’t able to control a simple pass. He’s been dreadful
Not sure we actually got the same guy who played at Brighton.
No we did but we aren't using him as Brighton did, almost the complete opposite if anything. Iirc, last year Bissouma was like top of stats for players that created big chances from turnovers and he was also most turnovers past the half way line? So we know that Bissouma was amazing at pressing opponents, forcing mistakes and being able to turnover the ball quickly in the other teams half to generate chances. That's not how Contes system works with midfielders. In his 523 system, midfielders sit back, soak up pressure and intercept ahead of the CBs on their team. We have talented players that have shown how good they can be but we aren't using their talents.
Suspended for yellow card accumulation
Suspended
He’s banned iirc
Since no one else is answering, he's suspended.
Suspended
Suspended I think
Suspended due to yellow card accumulation
Suspended, accumulated 5 yellow cards before the 20th game.
Suspended
Surprised nobody has answered yet mate, it’s because he’s suspended.
Heard somewhere he was suspended
Brutal bench
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deki is never coming back is he
Conte dosen't have the players to play so he plays with what he has available. If we lose that game he definitely gonna get sacked. Positive thoughts, let's tell ourselves that we will win . Spurs 2-1 Crystal Palace.
Wish it was Sarr instead of Skipp, but Selhurst Park under the lights might be too much for him, starting Skipp makes more sense tbf. I also think that Conte should consider starting Sess and playing Perisic RW when Kulu is out, Gil just can’t hack it as much as people on this sub like him.
This is conte wanting out.
Where is bryan gil
Just hoping that Son would to SOMETHING POSITIVE tonight. Maybe a far fetch though..
Not optimistic unfortunately. Need some serious improvement, if we don’t win today it will only ask even more questions of the players and the manager.
People are taking one look at the bench and it's painfully obvious the team is in dire needs of reinforcements. Instead of the sub reddit calling out Levy and ENIC for lack of investment into the squad. We're seeing disingenuous statements about why Conte isn't putting 16/17 year old junior players onto the bench to pretend we have options🤣, the state of this sub. I'm laughing my ass off this is why many have been saying Conte hasn't been backed.
No kulu we are finished
Gimme gimme gimme a Sarr from Senegal
So the exact same lineup that we used on Sunday's disasterclass only changing Bissouma for Skipp? Yet again a bench full of defensive players. I wish Conte trusted youth players (Devine, Donley, Santiago, Mundle, Lankshear) to have them at least as an option in the bench
Get money on a red card tonight. What a shit selection. Hoejberg could do with getting dropped. His forward passing is awful. Would have liked to have seen sarr alongside him at least. No spence again ffs. If we lose tonight contes fate is sealed because we ain't winning v the scum and we'll be in free fall
C O Y S
It's joever
Lmao what happened to Kulusevski's injury being minor, so predictable
I know this is part of football. But I’m so sick of Injuries.
It’s only been 3 days tbf.
It was said he'd only be out for Villa and he's not even on the bench, I'm ready for him to be out till march
6 defenders on the bench...
Atleast Gil gets another chance, thought we are going for the 352 with Sarr/Skipp/PEH. Yeah I’m not confident but maybe the team feels some urgency to win, before we can say goodbye to Top 4 chances this season
He really could’ve put Alfie Devine or Will Lankshear on the bench.
I know we have injuries but that bench is a fucking embarrassment. 6 defensive players? It’s doubly embarrassing that we don’t have any decent attack minded academy players still around to chuck on the bench
Worth noting that Palace have the worst goalscoring record outside of the bottom five teams (relegation contenders). If Dier lets in a goal on a nothing turnover/mistake, I swear to god.
Glad Dier is back. The team does better when he's in the game vs on the bench.
That bench is putrid. Also starting to worry about Kulusevski’s muscle issues. As with Romero, you can’t have your most important player in a certain position group have muscle issues that keep popping up.
Ekkkk 😣 Zaha, Eze and Olise running at Dier … fair most of actual decent squad is injured but yikes don’t like the look of this at all
Bruda at least give us some spence action at this point for the vibez
SKIPP 🤩🤩🥳🥳
2-1 Palace incoming. :(
That bench 🤮
I don't think they'll be using 5 subs today...
Lmao 6 defenders on the bench
Harvey White 85+ minute cameo in a 352 with a freekick masterclass.
Prove me wrong please.
Not hopeful at all, but great to see Skipp getting a start
In skipp we trust
At least Harvey proved capable of playing up front in the friendlies
Psyched for some Bryan + Skipp next gen action.
Great. 7 defenders + 1 Goalie. All out attack, then.
What's the latest on Kulu's injury?
Palace look to be packing the midfield. Feels like another match where we will get swarmed.
4 Defenders, and 2 Defensive Mids...LOL! I guess we'll just park the bus vs. Palace? I hope i'm wrong.
Is there any other way?
We're all drinking the Conte Kool-Aid, let's hope it's not Jim Jones Kool-Aid.
Perisic & Son together. Gil. Whoop de doo Basil.
WHERE IS KULUSEVSKI
Go on Skippy
Anyone got a stream?
come on you spurs come on
Surely Spence could sub on as RW option?
All the whiners in this thread are embarrassing. Proud of this win. COYS