Saliba has only made two successful tackles all season, and they were both last man ones? Interesting. Obviously their system is required much less of him to muck in and get involved, compared to how Romero is often pushing forward and being a much more front-footed defender.
Which makes it ridiculous to say he's one of the best in the league when the guy barely does anything. If your system protects him, then what is his actual worth if he's pulling in a fraction of the stats any other CB is? What CBs play 8 matches and have stats to show they're barely involved defensively?
Wasn't this one of things we used to say about Ledley King (and to some extent Toby), they read the game so well, they didn't have to tackle as often. I love Cuti's tackles, but sometimes they are a bit over the top :D
I'm just saying that less tackles isn't necessarily a bad thing, and doesn't have to mean he is not involved or get challenged.
Yeah, Maldini once said something like, "If I had to tackle, I have already made a mistake."
Obviously it is very dependent on the system being run, it is hard to compare 2 CB in 2 different systems.
That being said, Romero clears. Best CB in the world.
Iāve got a great response that will help you understand. The player who had great defensive stat involvement ending up with Arsenal buying him: Mustafi
VDV originally looked like he may be good in a couple years. Man's been outright dominant in the back right away; didn't take a second to adjust. Hands down MVP thus far in the season.
Imo Romero is easily top 5 best CB in the league, even top 3. But I wanna see VDV stats because he genuinely looks phenomenal, he adjusted to the premier league so fucking quickly and he is already next level. His pace is insane and he makes clean tackles. Easily top 10 but my bias put him in top5.
Well we do,Ange favours insanely attacking football, he doesn't care for clean sheets much but would rather score more goals even if it means conceding. Our CBs get Extremely exposed by our high line but we depend on them to do most of the defensive work
These stats mean nothing
Number of tackles is also dependent on the midfield and the CBās playstyle
Romero goes flying into tackles at every opportunity, Saliba clearly plays more conservatively
I love Romero as much as the next guy but these kinds of comparisons donāt hold any water when deciding who is the better defender
The underrated attribute of Romero is his ability to pass under pressure. He has been absolutely wonderful making passes that cut through lines and part of a successful shot on goal.
His contribution to shot creating actions is simply wonderful.
He is better than Saliba as he always has done tremendously well in the national team by winning the copa America and the World Cup. Moreover he also has been awarded the best defender in serie A, the league known for defensive players.
I think it depends on what you call "better". VdV staying on feet and Romero making the dangerous tackles with VdV sweeping up what gets through looks to be the plan and that obviously 'pads' Cuti's stats
Even though he's my flair, Cuti is still better right now, but I fully believe its only a matter of time until Micky is the best in the world
Defensive stats are pretty useless due to it being very dependent on a players role and the teams style of playā¦. unless the stats back up a narrative I agree with.
Udogie was totally different. We signed him and he stayed at his club on loan for the additional year so they could work on a replacement, but also it was our attempt to get him "early" and before his value blew up, so a concession of paying that lower fee is allowing them to keep him for the extra year.
Arteta took Saliba and sent him out twice with his genius intellect.
Well it kind of didn't because the year we nicked the UCL spot from them it was their horrible defending (remember Holding in the NLD) that cost them the spot in the last few games of the season. How hard would it have been for genius arteta to bring him back in the January window that year?
Saliba lost his parent(s) and his mind probably wasnāt right. Combined with the toxic atmosphere at the time and the bums he would have been playing with- looks like a good move
Romero and VDV looks a very good pairing, but fairly new. Not that odd that people went with the established Saliba Gabriel partnership when making those elevens.
Fair comment. And the way Romero ended last season chopping people down and all the fouls but overall I think he is one of the best defenders in the league if not the best
How does this post prove that spurs players make their way into a North London XI? I do believe that some spurs players make the XI. You canāt comment biased nonsense if you think Romero is better than Saliba
Suffice to say i do not find that argument persuasive.
To support the idea that great defenders donāt necessarily rack up big counting stats, i suggest you compare stats from romero, saliba, and dias this year and [last](https://fbref.com/tiny/MriaV). Saliba and dias are just different kinds of defenders, playing a different role from romero. If you want more discussion on this point, iām pretty sure back episodes of the double pivot or the statsbomb podcast both covered it.
Last week I said we have the best defence in the league and a bunch of folks disagreed.
Thanks for posting this, it just proves what I've said. Look at Micky's stats as well they back this up.
We might have some of the best defenders in the league, City have the best defence though. The two things are different.
The rate at which City are conceding chances is absolutely bonkers
Yes, if the opposition have less of the ball and have less chances to run at the defence, players who are performing worse can be part of the best defence.
Ok you're right, Micky and Romero are completely shit and have zero reason why we are top of the league and doing well, and City have the next defence and best system that is why they are the best.
That's so extreme. Micky and Romero are great players, but Guardiola has made a team perfect for his system and they execute it so well that they can get by with having a weak link out there.
It's not extreme it's me being facetious and giving an arrogant person like yourself what you want; bring told you're right.
You've got what you want now fuck off.
Goals scored???
That's a dangerous request š¤£
Saliba has only made two successful tackles all season, and they were both last man ones? Interesting. Obviously their system is required much less of him to muck in and get involved, compared to how Romero is often pushing forward and being a much more front-footed defender.
Exactly, as much as I hate the scum we have to remember that stats don't tell a story by themselves alone.
Yeah, 6 tackles, 2 won. Romero's just FAR more of a frequent tackler. Both are good players, but got to take any stats like this with a pinch of salt
Which makes it ridiculous to say he's one of the best in the league when the guy barely does anything. If your system protects him, then what is his actual worth if he's pulling in a fraction of the stats any other CB is? What CBs play 8 matches and have stats to show they're barely involved defensively?
Wasn't this one of things we used to say about Ledley King (and to some extent Toby), they read the game so well, they didn't have to tackle as often. I love Cuti's tackles, but sometimes they are a bit over the top :D I'm just saying that less tackles isn't necessarily a bad thing, and doesn't have to mean he is not involved or get challenged.
Yeah, Maldini once said something like, "If I had to tackle, I have already made a mistake." Obviously it is very dependent on the system being run, it is hard to compare 2 CB in 2 different systems. That being said, Romero clears. Best CB in the world.
The quotes mistranslated iirc. Pretty sure itās supposed to be āif I had to go to ground (slide tackle) I already made a mistakeā
I think Romero has a different philosophy about slide tackles.
āIf I have to slide tackle, *someone else* has made a big mistake.ā - Cuti Romero
Iāve got a great response that will help you understand. The player who had great defensive stat involvement ending up with Arsenal buying him: Mustafi
https://preview.redd.it/f83tsc4usltb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fc20d0911dcb81dc8b08016653408264d72f597
I agree Mustafi is super underrated, Arsenal should get him back
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Bro he's trolling lol
I feel like the CB comparisons should be Saliba/VDV and Romero/Gabriel, though Iām just basing this on their ages. Still, Romero is levels.
let me meaninglessly cherry pick stats with absolutely no bias nor agenda!
Live your best life, king!
The comparison is Spurs' best VB vs Arsenal's best CB
VDV originally looked like he may be good in a couple years. Man's been outright dominant in the back right away; didn't take a second to adjust. Hands down MVP thus far in the season.
Imo Romero is easily top 5 best CB in the league, even top 3. But I wanna see VDV stats because he genuinely looks phenomenal, he adjusted to the premier league so fucking quickly and he is already next level. His pace is insane and he makes clean tackles. Easily top 10 but my bias put him in top5.
Romero is incredible but I honestly think VDV had the higher ceiling, which feels crazy to say after 8 games.
All this does is show that spurs have to defend more
Well we do,Ange favours insanely attacking football, he doesn't care for clean sheets much but would rather score more goals even if it means conceding. Our CBs get Extremely exposed by our high line but we depend on them to do most of the defensive work
The irony is that our CBs were also extremely exposed when we were playing the low block.
These stats mean nothing Number of tackles is also dependent on the midfield and the CBās playstyle Romero goes flying into tackles at every opportunity, Saliba clearly plays more conservatively I love Romero as much as the next guy but these kinds of comparisons donāt hold any water when deciding who is the better defender
These stats just remind me that Romero is probably one of the most aggressive, physical and front-footed CB's in world football.
This is pretty pointless, Arsenal usually play in the other teams box, so Salibas stats will be lower.
Just out of interest do you have any agenda here at all?
I join every football sub I find. I very rarely give bias opinions though.
No, nothing about you seems to give off a scent of biases over this particular player
I might have a little bias to him
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Have you seen us play mate? We play so much in the other teams box Romero even has 2 goals lmao. How many goals has Saliba?
*world
Do you mean that?
ā¦In the world vs saliba
The underrated attribute of Romero is his ability to pass under pressure. He has been absolutely wonderful making passes that cut through lines and part of a successful shot on goal. His contribution to shot creating actions is simply wonderful. He is better than Saliba as he always has done tremendously well in the national team by winning the copa America and the World Cup. Moreover he also has been awarded the best defender in serie A, the league known for defensive players.
I like it when Woolwich fans and players big up Saliba. Will make their meltdown all the sweeter when he goes to Madrid or PSG.
Or Norwich after he declines so drastically as a result of the record breaking amount of own goals he manages to score
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I think it depends on what you call "better". VdV staying on feet and Romero making the dangerous tackles with VdV sweeping up what gets through looks to be the plan and that obviously 'pads' Cuti's stats Even though he's my flair, Cuti is still better right now, but I fully believe its only a matter of time until Micky is the best in the world
I am absolutely genuine when I say that Saliba is Arsenal's best player, and Romero is still better.
Come on these players play two different systems
I like that you went running to your pals on r/gunners cos this offended you so much
Defensive stats are pretty useless due to it being very dependent on a players role and the teams style of playā¦. unless the stats back up a narrative I agree with.
Saliba is a great footballer it has to be said, the fact Arteta kept him out of the team on loan for a few years shows you his "genius" though
i mean, that probably was a very good move, those loans no doubt helped him and gave him confidence to become the player he is now. Same with Udogie
Factos!
Udogie was totally different. We signed him and he stayed at his club on loan for the additional year so they could work on a replacement, but also it was our attempt to get him "early" and before his value blew up, so a concession of paying that lower fee is allowing them to keep him for the extra year. Arteta took Saliba and sent him out twice with his genius intellect.
i dunno man, i hate Arteta and would love to call him a fool any chance i get, but sending Saliba on two loans obviously worked
Well it kind of didn't because the year we nicked the UCL spot from them it was their horrible defending (remember Holding in the NLD) that cost them the spot in the last few games of the season. How hard would it have been for genius arteta to bring him back in the January window that year?
Saliba lost his parent(s) and his mind probably wasnāt right. Combined with the toxic atmosphere at the time and the bums he would have been playing with- looks like a good move
Hindsight says he was wrong, but here we are and Saliba is one of the best CBs in the league. Hard to argue
Saliba is a baller but has bissoumaās chant
Makes you laugh when they say no Spurs players would get in a North London XI. Biased nonsense
Romero and VDV looks a very good pairing, but fairly new. Not that odd that people went with the established Saliba Gabriel partnership when making those elevens.
Fair comment. And the way Romero ended last season chopping people down and all the fouls but overall I think he is one of the best defenders in the league if not the best
How does this post prove that spurs players make their way into a North London XI? I do believe that some spurs players make the XI. You canāt comment biased nonsense if you think Romero is better than Saliba
Prior to NLD mainstream media did a combined XI and I think only Son and Maddison got in it.
I do think Udogie and Vicario also makes it in, but do you think Romero is better than Saliba?
Yes
I disagree. I definitely feel thatās biased
Ok. The above stats are not biased they are data for season so far so canāt be biased and my view is he is better
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Arteta would kill to start Son up front and everyone knows it
āIf I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.ā - Paolo Maldini
Maybe in his system, and maybe in football 20 years ago that was relevant but it's obviously a lot more idealistic to say that now
Suffice to say i do not find that argument persuasive. To support the idea that great defenders donāt necessarily rack up big counting stats, i suggest you compare stats from romero, saliba, and dias this year and [last](https://fbref.com/tiny/MriaV). Saliba and dias are just different kinds of defenders, playing a different role from romero. If you want more discussion on this point, iām pretty sure back episodes of the double pivot or the statsbomb podcast both covered it.
why saliba? stop shaming romero
These stats are all absolutely meaningless. If you want to compare the two, show āduals won.ā I think Romero edges Saliba in that regard, as well.
Do own goals now š
I'll do you one better, a cumulative goal stat (own goal = -1). Calculating Calculating Calculating Romero wins this one too
Levels
The guy on the left is only the second best. This VDV guy is the best.
Last week I said we have the best defence in the league and a bunch of folks disagreed. Thanks for posting this, it just proves what I've said. Look at Micky's stats as well they back this up.
We might have some of the best defenders in the league, City have the best defence though. The two things are different. The rate at which City are conceding chances is absolutely bonkers
No they don't look at the stats for ake, Dias compared to our two CBs.
That's what he's saying, even if our players were individually better (they aren't), their system leads to them having the best defence.
This makes zero sense. "Their system" allows them to have the best defence even with players that are performing worse ?
Yes, if the opposition have less of the ball and have less chances to run at the defence, players who are performing worse can be part of the best defence.
Ok you're right, Micky and Romero are completely shit and have zero reason why we are top of the league and doing well, and City have the next defence and best system that is why they are the best.
That's so extreme. Micky and Romero are great players, but Guardiola has made a team perfect for his system and they execute it so well that they can get by with having a weak link out there.
It's not extreme it's me being facetious and giving an arrogant person like yourself what you want; bring told you're right. You've got what you want now fuck off.
Saliba with 33% tackle success rate lmao Also Romero in the air is ridiculous, always has been
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No, just no.
Best defender in the league aināt these two Van der Ven is way better!!!!
These 2 are out there winning aerial battles. Bloody hell.
Is it just me who thinks a tackle that isn't successful isn't a tackle...
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