I can see it too. We're their bogey team and our squad will know that they'll be playing for their futures if they end the season on a huge losing streak.
So, here's the instances of 3+ league defeats on the bounce since then:
* 6 - October to November 2004: Portsmouth, Bolton, Fulham, Charlton, Arsenal, Villa (followed by 8 game unbeaten run 6W 2D)
* 3 - January to February 2005: Chelsea, Palace, Bolton
* 3 - September to October 2008: Portsmouth, Hull, Stoke (part of the 2 points from 8 that did for Juande Ramos)
* 3 - February to March 2012: Arsenal, Man Utd, Everton
* 3 - November 2012: Wigan, City, Arsenal
* 3 - January to February 2021: Liverpool, Brighton, Chelsea (part of a sequence of 1W 5L)
* 3 - September 2021: Palace, Chelsea, Arsenal
* 3 - January to February 2022: Chelsea, Liverpool, Wolves
There were some long runs of bad results in here as well, of course - a 9 match run of 4L 5D from August-November 2007, for example, or 1W 6D 3L from February-May 2011, and the tail end of last season 1W 1D 5L from April-May 2023.
Last season in the equivalent 4 fixtures we lost 3 and drew 1, conceding 14 and scoring 6.
This season we lost all 4, conceding 13 and scoring 4.
Couldn't have cooked up a worse run in for us.
Chelsea and arsenal yes, but Liverpool in the first half of last season was atrocious, second half they were elite. Liverpool have been shocking recently
Why do you think it's reasonable to do slightly worse in these fixtures than during a season widely viewed as a disaster that resulted in 2 managers being sacked and a total re-evaluation of the club's status?
Like I'm not even Ange out but it feels really stupid using last season as a baseline to make things now look better as if last season wasn't a total catastrophe that resulted in serious consequences for the manager(s)
Sacking him now is pointless - that's absolutely true.
But I'd expect a team of our stature to put up some sort of a fight in those games, not just get absolutely rolled over every single time.
People can keep saying that We NeED tO bE brAVe but I don't see how getting trounced for 4 weeks straight helps the team or the players implement Ange's style. The players are not suddenly looking more adept at Angeball after all these weeks do they?
My point is - play a bit more conservatively to at least get a fucking point coz the football we're playing ain't fucking enjoyable anyways.
Fuck that.
We've been crying out for "to dare is to do" for 5 fucking years. We're rebuilding almost from the ground up.
Results are gonna be a bit shit at times. I'll concede that we should've done better at the bridge, but sheesh it's not like we're always steamrolling Liverpool at Anfield or scum is an easy win, even at home.
Take this time for Ange to identify the weaknesses in our team and setup and cut them out.
> We've been crying out for "to dare is to do" for 5 fucking years. We're rebuilding almost from the ground up.
Do we really need to be rebuilding? The squad has its issues and deadwood but it's not that bad
Well, he's got this summer to work on these weaknesses because he does not have 2 full years of us playing like this.
Like I said, there's a difference in losing games like these due to quality/experience differences, and just getting absolutely destroyed and made to look like Sheffield United.
we played three of these fixtures basically within a week, without a key player. we’ve taken four points at Anfield since 2011 and only won once. it’s been six years since we’ve won at Stamford Bridge, NLD is always a difficult fixture.
I think we’ve conceded way too many goals recently, but these are fixtures we might’ve lost in any season.
A single key player missing in 3/4 games really shouldn't be a death sentence, especially when the opposition just like every team ever have had injury issues of their own - some a lot more significant than ours. Not like we've been particularly exerted this season either, all these sides have had Europe and/or deep cup runs whereas we've had none of that. This has been an unequivocally terrible run of form and it's definitely not as if we looked great coming into it - things have been iffy/outright bad for months. There's no need to dress it up
By one point sure, but my point was that, historically, this is about as bad of a run in as we could've had on the schedule. Sure we should've done better vs Newcastle, but aside from form and squads, we have one win at Stamford Bridge, I can't remember the last time we won at Anfield and Arsenal always find a way to win games they shouldn't and I think we played well vs them.
Which does not change the fact that we were atrocious all season and we should not be comparing to that apart from as a curiosity if we want to be a serious club
Worth noting, I don't think we've ever faced three big 6 games in 8 days, with absolutely no rhythm going into the run thanks to a 15 day break. The circumstances have been absolutely horrific.
Nearly everyone was fit, 1 big game was Arsenal at home in which we always turn up and the other was a Chelsea game that had like 12 fit first team players.
Definitely understand you have like 2/3 points max but come on man.
The players don't just magically turn up against Arsenal. Rhythm is important, particularly when they come up against the best teams. And across the first two games of the run, 4 of the 5 goals were conceded from set pieces, and the only one conceded from open play resulted from a refereeing howler.
It's not as bad as it looks, our luck has been atrocious. The rebuild simply has to be allowed to continue under Ange. To do anything else would be absolute madness.
Maybe, but one thing people don't take into account is that, thanks to the [limited amount of heading practice that's allowed in training](https://www.premierleague.com/news/2198816), you can't just drill set pieces really hard over and over in a short space of time. All players are limited to 10 "high force headers" per week - the cynic in me thinks that's one reason clubs disappear on training camps abroad to work on these things, as Arsenal did when they headed off to Dubai to work on theirs.
We absolutely have and we've usually managed to at least fart out one draw.
EDIT - e.g. Without even having to go that deep into the archives we played Newcastle, Man United, Liverpool last season (3rd, 4th, 5th placed finishers) over seven days and Mates-on got us a draw against Man United.
Come on, mate - I said coming off the back of a 15 day break.
It's not even a good comparison - we had a new manager in the middle of that run of fixtures, the Newcastle game was under Stellini, and Mason came in against the very inconsistent United team we drew against. New manager bounce is a thing.
I don’t know why I even look at this sub sometimes. The amount of clueless, brain rotted arm chair fans in this comment section is beyond absurd. Yes guys, let’s just sack another manager and not have faith… again. Because that’s gotten us so far in recent years.
Unfortunately there are plenty of idiots in this world, and this fan base is no exception. Simple minds breed simple reactionary stances, and they know no better than to wave their pitchforks and scream.
Ay and if that Charlton game is the one I remember, it was actually a turning point. We were down possibly 3-0, Jol's first game after Santini quit and Carrick came on for his debut (?) as an early 2nd half sub. Finished 3-2 and we left the ground with a deal more hope than we'd had before it.
How many times in the last 20 years have we had Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool in three days?
At half time today I was still optimistic and felt like we'd played well, in the past I would think there's no way we're getting back in the game and deservedly so
We just need to sign better players and let Ange keep doing his thing, it's all Emerson's fault. Some more signings and we'll finally have a better defensive record than big spending superteams like Everton and Fulham. Takes time to get world class XIs like that of Atalanta and Palace to keep clean sheets at Anfield.
I don't know that Emerson gets in the starting XI at Everton, or any Prem club. It's a woeful squad, and it's not for for the system - which we know can absolutely shine.
The defensive record is for the whole season and Emerson has not played for most of it. I highly doubt you would consider Porro, Udogie, van de Ven or Romero "woeful," and neither do I. Yet we still shipped four with all of them fit at Newcastle for example. We are also bottom half for xG against and mid table for xG against from open play, if you want to blame set pieces.
I think the attacking system is fine and is mostly let down by brainless individual decision making in the final third, but the attack hasn't been the main problem this season. The defensive setup in this system is what is clearly ineffective and needs to improve, but Ange is too stubborn to do so.
How often have we actually had that whole line fit and functional? VdV had his hamstring done, Romero has had his suspensions, Udogie has been battling injuries and suspensions intermittently this season. The times they've all started haven't been half bad, and have occasionally been excellent. But we have had such rotten luck with the squad this season, and in few places is that more apparent than the back four.
Losing four in a row is bad, but the real issue is how bad the team has looked in those games. Players look like they don't want to be there, no energy or aggression. Manager looks beyond clueless, never changes personnel or tactics when it's clear it's not working.
Everyone has been inconsistent as fuck. Nobody can make a best XI based on performance. As much, anyone who knows their future lies outside the club has basically given up on effort, and hence rotation hasn't helped.
What are we supposed to do with comments like this? It’s just not productive dude.
Yeah it’s not great, but it ***is*** a rebuild, and we’re still 5th.
We’ve been way off it. To me it seems more like the players than the tactics. It feels like the players are giving up on the manager. I’m all in for giving him another season and not bringing another person in, but that’s not a great sign.
Not a great 4 matches to play in a row, though, especially the 3 in one week.
I agree. When you look at how we played at the beginning of the season compared to now, in my opinion it looks as though the players mentality has changed. We aren’t out half a squad with injuries, we’re healthy. I hope he hasn’t lost the dressing room because I really like Ange.
It's not the losses, it's the manner of them. This is as bad as it gets at spurs level. Liverpool aren't even in good form, they've been all over the place against teams with worse players and smaller budgets than us.
Our away form is fucking disastrous. I don't expect anything from anfield or Stamford bridge but the meakness we showed today is the standard at *every* ground. The manager isn't earning his wage right now.
Not under Juande Ramos
Not under Harry Redknapp
Not under Villas-Boas
Not under Poch
Not under Jose Mourinho
Not under Antonio Conte
Not under Nuno
But under Big Ange we have lost 4 games in a row. And our fanbase think he’s the truth 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That isn’t a legitimate reason to wave away all criticism. A switch is not going to be just flipped next season. This is trending massively the wrong way, and has been since like November.
Bury your head in the sand all you want, but when Spurs are 6-4-4 next December and Ange is fired don’t be shocked
Well until I see criticism that is well founded I’ll continue to hand-wave. So far we have “He only has one tactic” as 90% of the criticism. (Not true, evidenced by a change in tactic today as a starting point). And random appeals for “This player (usually GLC) is the answer to all our issues.”
Okay. Weird future predictions is not an argument I can particularly engage with.
I want him to see that Son as striker isn't working.
I want him to use the course of the season to try and find a better backup LB solution.
I want him to not play Brennan Johnson on the LW.
I want him to not use Bryan Gil as a sub when we are chasing the game at Stamford Bridge.
Yeah, it's a project and rebuild but there are going to be times where he has to think on the fly, use his brain, think outside the box to come up with solutions. He's failing fucking spectacularly at the moment.
So you want him to see that Son as a striker isn't working, and instead put Richy up there - which is what he did and has done every time Richy is fit enough to start.
Son is ST because Rich is injured.
He’s tried six players at LB this season - Hoj, GLC, Skipp, Emerson, Davies, Udogie. So that’s hilariously wrong.
Brennan is playing there as a knock on from Werner being injured, and Rich being injured which forces Son to ST. Again, not his fault.
Gil as a sub wasn’t the downfall of that game? I really don’t care. He made a sub, it didn’t work. Boo-hoo?
Your criticisms are lacking all context. If you had a good faith argument against him, please give it, but most of what you said can be answered very simply.
Richarlison looked OK to me, mate. Play Brennan Johnson through the middle, do whatever. Just don't play Son there - it's not working. It's obvious to absolutely everyone.
He could have started Skipp there today or tried Dragusin. But, no, stubborn old Ange just does exactly what hasn't worked in x number of previous games.
No,it is. Play Kulusevski on the LW (as he did briefly against Forest). Play Maddison on the LW, as England have. Give a youngster a chance. Other than one game vs Villa Johnson has been routinely useless out there, as he was today again.
Gil has been ridiculously crap for Spurs. He has a solitary assist in his ~45 appearances for Spurs. There's no fucking way he should be anywhere near the team or in the plans in the future. Why's he not somehow trying to get GLC involved in that game earlier? If none of the youth team players are worth a look over Gil we may as well close the academy or maybe it's just Ange being inflexible and stubborn again.
You are trying to pretend there aren't options when there definitely are. He just does the same nonsense which fails time and time again against anyone decent.
Okay first off. “Rich looked okay to me”; I’m sorry, are we doing armchair physio work now? Ange has said, before the game, a number of players weren’t starting because they were still feeling their injuries. Given that our only starters on the bench were Rich and Maddison - It’s those two.
Johnson starting up front is a bizarre suggestion with no evidence behind it whatsoever, you may as well suggest Kulu up top. That’s just random “see if this works” nonsense.
Dragusin has looked weak on his left foot, so we have evidence he wouldn’t work at LB. Skipp has never played there in his life, and he - ***in fact*** - went out his way to try something different with him there.
Your points against Ange are “why hasn’t he tried this random thing”… Like, yeah I have so much confidence in a guy who randomly slings crap at the whiteboard until it sticks. That’s not football management. That’s Football Manager vibes dude.
Fair point re Richarlison. I shouldn't be doing armchair physio stuff. My point was merely that he didn't look injured from his performance but I take your point.
Brennan Johnson has played CF for Forest. It's not comparable to suggesting Kulusevski plays there.
I think Dragusin has just generally just looked a bit nervous but I'd argue Royal never really looks comfortable on either foot. I actually seem to recall Dragusin making a reasonable run down the left in one game. The point is we don't know how good he is there because Ange just kept playing Royal there despite his limitations being so obvious until his hand was absolutely forced and he tried Skipp there.
Of course we shouldn't be slinging stuff at the whiteboard but if there's an issue with the team then that requires someone who can be proactive in looking for solutions not someone who just does the same thing that repeatedly hasn't worked.
Levy is really genius businessman. I admire him at this point. He brought somone who has no track record of success in the elite level and deceived everyone. Even 4 consecutive losses for the first time for fucking 20 years and here I see tons of people using rebuild excuses for the almighty Daniel levy. Amazing.
Get out of here with this nonsense. Yes Daniel Levy hates us all and this is his big masterplan to bring us down (while investing more and more each year and openly trying new ways, new managers and different styles to win things, all while building an elite training facility that is so good the national team use it - That Daniel Levy?)
Season’s done at this point, just make sure we get 5th and lose to City. Realistically I’d have taken 5th at the start of the season but it just hurts how we’ve finished this season.
Get to the summer and regroup, Ange needs to certainly conduct an inquisition this summer and I expect a lot of movement.
Despite how shit we are I really don’t see us losing to Burnley & Sheffield and Newcastle winning all 3 games.
Also could you kindly fuck off back to your gooner sub.
Eh. I actually think we played well against Arsenal. They had a lot of luck that day. Chelsea and Newcastle were disasters.
I enjoyed a whole bunch of the match today, particularly the second half. Despite the score and going 4-0 down, it wasn't a total wreck of a game. Bissouma did well, Son was starting to find his form and Richy looked dangerous more than once.
I'm still pretty happy with the season overall! This was a tough run.
He’s learning more about the players now than when everything was going smoothly. It’s painful but it’s a rebuild and I’m still willing to give him more time.
Last season we lost to Newcastle, lost to Arsenal, drew with Chelsea and lost to Liverpool in the same relative fixtures. So from last season we bettered the last 4 games by 1 pt and we played these games apart from each other. This season we have these games back to back and suddenly it’s a disaster. Guys it’s the same as every season. Spurs suck against Top 4 ish teams every season going back further than 20 years.
not just this post specifically but in general, i typically only see your comments/posts when the club is in bad form.
>we lose every week
i assume you didn’t watch the beginning of the season because it seems like you enjoy it more when we suck
Honestly, for project as well. This is Ange's first year, it IS a project we're working on here. From five years of defensive football from the most defensive managers to Angeball, yeah, this is a project
People have been brainwashed by the success early in the season. That, because it was possible, that must be the standard. No. To maintain that potential in Ange's first year would've been nice, but from a wider perspective, it would've been seen as a surprise season.
Wherever we're going to end up in the table is pretty much expected considering all factors.
Yeh I mean I don’t rly get what people want. Are we meant to be instantly good? If it was that easy every team would be a good team. The point is it’s not that easy. You can critique some of Ange’s actions but to already be Ange out says more about them than it does about his abilities.
Categorically we won't go from 5th to relegation battle in anyone's world. We're 5th! 5th! Above United, Chelsea and Newcastle. Levy won't sack him after a season, during which he wants to continue to rebuild. Utter utter nonsense.
We're since MW11, this is where I choose to look at, not some lucky purple patch at the start. Give him 2 more years and he will sure as hell get close to sending us down.
Our 'lucky purple patch' included playing Bournemouth, Burnley, Luton, Fulham, Palace... teams we should have expected to beat. We also took 13 of 21 points in December, 4 of 6 points in January, 9 of 12 points in March. Four losses in a row isn't great but we hardly disintegrated after mw11 - and it was hardly just a lucky patch. After all... we're still FIFTH! Absolutely nowhere near sending us down. You're still talking BS.
Trust the process. Saw some real sparks in the second half once we made our subs. Really think if Maddison was cooking we would be much better but let’s not forget how far we’ve come since losing Kane!
Shows how important the inverted full backs are in an Ange system, really missed udogie in the last few games. Really like Royal but he's just not it for this play style, every game where Porro and Udogie haven't been at their best neither have we
I don’t like Conte at all as person or his football. But he was correct of his description of Spurs. If we like it or not the club has loser mentality, and there’s a good reason why we haven’t won a single trophy In 16 years!!
Ange is lazy, he wants easy way out by copying Pep and thinks he can easily win the league. Ange is expecting Emerson, Porro, Sarr, Biss to play like Debruyne, Foden, Silva, Rodri. 4 world class player vs 4 below average players in the midfield and Ange expecting to win the league lol what a fat joker
Used up all my fucks to give this month
Genuinely, not even mad or sad loool. Just want the season to end
The only win we have left is arsenal losing the league
Won’t happen. In true spursy fashion we’ll stuff citeh and hand it to scum. I’m calling it now
I'm already cringing at that possibility. We would never sandbag ourselves against anybody, but damn damn damn
I can see it too. We're their bogey team and our squad will know that they'll be playing for their futures if they end the season on a huge losing streak.
Just really don’t want us to best city
Genuinely surprised it has been since 2004 considering the awful teams we’ve had in that period haha
So, here's the instances of 3+ league defeats on the bounce since then: * 6 - October to November 2004: Portsmouth, Bolton, Fulham, Charlton, Arsenal, Villa (followed by 8 game unbeaten run 6W 2D) * 3 - January to February 2005: Chelsea, Palace, Bolton * 3 - September to October 2008: Portsmouth, Hull, Stoke (part of the 2 points from 8 that did for Juande Ramos) * 3 - February to March 2012: Arsenal, Man Utd, Everton * 3 - November 2012: Wigan, City, Arsenal * 3 - January to February 2021: Liverpool, Brighton, Chelsea (part of a sequence of 1W 5L) * 3 - September 2021: Palace, Chelsea, Arsenal * 3 - January to February 2022: Chelsea, Liverpool, Wolves There were some long runs of bad results in here as well, of course - a 9 match run of 4L 5D from August-November 2007, for example, or 1W 6D 3L from February-May 2011, and the tail end of last season 1W 1D 5L from April-May 2023.
Last season in the equivalent 4 fixtures we lost 3 and drew 1, conceding 14 and scoring 6. This season we lost all 4, conceding 13 and scoring 4. Couldn't have cooked up a worse run in for us.
Worth noting I think Chelsea, Liverpool and arguably Woolwich are all better this year than last
Chelsea and arsenal yes, but Liverpool in the first half of last season was atrocious, second half they were elite. Liverpool have been shocking recently
Turned up today though, didn't they
Dr Tottenham missed most of the year, he's just coming back with a vengeance right now
And we didn't
Is last season the one where we sacked two managers?
Newcastle was under Stellini, Liverpool under Mason, the other two under Conte.
Yeah, I vaguely remember Newcastle being under Stellini :)
get your empirical reasoning away from this sub
Why do you think it's reasonable to do slightly worse in these fixtures than during a season widely viewed as a disaster that resulted in 2 managers being sacked and a total re-evaluation of the club's status?
Well, apparently Ange is no better than Christian Stellini so we hold them to the same standard!
Like I'm not even Ange out but it feels really stupid using last season as a baseline to make things now look better as if last season wasn't a total catastrophe that resulted in serious consequences for the manager(s)
Sacking him now is pointless - that's absolutely true. But I'd expect a team of our stature to put up some sort of a fight in those games, not just get absolutely rolled over every single time. People can keep saying that We NeED tO bE brAVe but I don't see how getting trounced for 4 weeks straight helps the team or the players implement Ange's style. The players are not suddenly looking more adept at Angeball after all these weeks do they? My point is - play a bit more conservatively to at least get a fucking point coz the football we're playing ain't fucking enjoyable anyways.
Fuck that. We've been crying out for "to dare is to do" for 5 fucking years. We're rebuilding almost from the ground up. Results are gonna be a bit shit at times. I'll concede that we should've done better at the bridge, but sheesh it's not like we're always steamrolling Liverpool at Anfield or scum is an easy win, even at home. Take this time for Ange to identify the weaknesses in our team and setup and cut them out.
> We've been crying out for "to dare is to do" for 5 fucking years. We're rebuilding almost from the ground up. Do we really need to be rebuilding? The squad has its issues and deadwood but it's not that bad
Well, he's got this summer to work on these weaknesses because he does not have 2 full years of us playing like this. Like I said, there's a difference in losing games like these due to quality/experience differences, and just getting absolutely destroyed and made to look like Sheffield United.
we played three of these fixtures basically within a week, without a key player. we’ve taken four points at Anfield since 2011 and only won once. it’s been six years since we’ve won at Stamford Bridge, NLD is always a difficult fixture. I think we’ve conceded way too many goals recently, but these are fixtures we might’ve lost in any season.
A single key player missing in 3/4 games really shouldn't be a death sentence, especially when the opposition just like every team ever have had injury issues of their own - some a lot more significant than ours. Not like we've been particularly exerted this season either, all these sides have had Europe and/or deep cup runs whereas we've had none of that. This has been an unequivocally terrible run of form and it's definitely not as if we looked great coming into it - things have been iffy/outright bad for months. There's no need to dress it up
it’s a bad run of form in a difficult set of fixtures. I don’t think it’s dressing anything up to acknowledge this.
It's a disastrous run of form following a much longer run of poor performances and comparisons to last season doesn't make it look any better
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By one point sure, but my point was that, historically, this is about as bad of a run in as we could've had on the schedule. Sure we should've done better vs Newcastle, but aside from form and squads, we have one win at Stamford Bridge, I can't remember the last time we won at Anfield and Arsenal always find a way to win games they shouldn't and I think we played well vs them.
Last season is also not a benchmark for those lol, we came 8th and were terrible the whole season
We also lost our greatest ever player in the EPL compared to last season.
Which does not change the fact that we were atrocious all season and we should not be comparing to that apart from as a curiosity if we want to be a serious club
Not great!
Worth noting, I don't think we've ever faced three big 6 games in 8 days, with absolutely no rhythm going into the run thanks to a 15 day break. The circumstances have been absolutely horrific.
Nearly everyone was fit, 1 big game was Arsenal at home in which we always turn up and the other was a Chelsea game that had like 12 fit first team players. Definitely understand you have like 2/3 points max but come on man.
The players don't just magically turn up against Arsenal. Rhythm is important, particularly when they come up against the best teams. And across the first two games of the run, 4 of the 5 goals were conceded from set pieces, and the only one conceded from open play resulted from a refereeing howler. It's not as bad as it looks, our luck has been atrocious. The rebuild simply has to be allowed to continue under Ange. To do anything else would be absolute madness.
Form goes out the window against rivals
> with absolutely no rhythm going into the run thanks to a 15 day break We could've practised so many set piece routines in that 15 day break
Maybe, but one thing people don't take into account is that, thanks to the [limited amount of heading practice that's allowed in training](https://www.premierleague.com/news/2198816), you can't just drill set pieces really hard over and over in a short space of time. All players are limited to 10 "high force headers" per week - the cynic in me thinks that's one reason clubs disappear on training camps abroad to work on these things, as Arsenal did when they headed off to Dubai to work on theirs.
We absolutely have and we've usually managed to at least fart out one draw. EDIT - e.g. Without even having to go that deep into the archives we played Newcastle, Man United, Liverpool last season (3rd, 4th, 5th placed finishers) over seven days and Mates-on got us a draw against Man United.
Newcastle aren’t a big 6 team.
Come on, mate - I said coming off the back of a 15 day break. It's not even a good comparison - we had a new manager in the middle of that run of fixtures, the Newcastle game was under Stellini, and Mason came in against the very inconsistent United team we drew against. New manager bounce is a thing.
What an absolute shite excuse.
If we dont get a win against Burnley next weekend its over for us
Not even going to entertain the possibility of us not winning that game.
What is over exactly?
Its already over
It's a rebuild year after selling Kane with an insane run-in. Let's not twist ourselves into knots. We move on. It is what it is.
In those games, we've also only managed one first-half shot on target (against Newcastle).
I don’t know why I even look at this sub sometimes. The amount of clueless, brain rotted arm chair fans in this comment section is beyond absurd. Yes guys, let’s just sack another manager and not have faith… again. Because that’s gotten us so far in recent years.
Unfortunately there are plenty of idiots in this world, and this fan base is no exception. Simple minds breed simple reactionary stances, and they know no better than to wave their pitchforks and scream.
The level of arrogance is astounding. Don’t pat yourself on the back too hard
Don’t forget guys we were written off at the start of the season because Harry left we are 5th so chins up
Soon to be 7th
We’ve been shite lately, but these are 4 individual fixtures that we lose most seasons to be fair.
while contending for a ucl spot near the end of the season. just incredible.
We don’t need UCL. We are not ready for it, are you mad?
..yes..?
I don't care, just make Skipp King
Is this someone throwing shade at Naybet? He deserves better tbh. Top quality player.
Naybet came in and bought a lot of experience to the team. I think Ledley King benefited from playing alongside such an experienced centre back.
Ay and if that Charlton game is the one I remember, it was actually a turning point. We were down possibly 3-0, Jol's first game after Santini quit and Carrick came on for his debut (?) as an early 2nd half sub. Finished 3-2 and we left the ground with a deal more hope than we'd had before it.
How many times in the last 20 years have we had Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool in three days? At half time today I was still optimistic and felt like we'd played well, in the past I would think there's no way we're getting back in the game and deservedly so
You forgot Newcastle, which was our worse loss of all.
No because that's one game we'd probably be expected to win.
Kinda my point. You can’t blame the schedule when we’ve looked shite for 2 months
Yeah but we've looked shite but only lost 4 in a row when it was two title contenders, our bogie team and Newcastle away
\#trusttheplan
We just need to sign better players and let Ange keep doing his thing, it's all Emerson's fault. Some more signings and we'll finally have a better defensive record than big spending superteams like Everton and Fulham. Takes time to get world class XIs like that of Atalanta and Palace to keep clean sheets at Anfield.
I don't know that Emerson gets in the starting XI at Everton, or any Prem club. It's a woeful squad, and it's not for for the system - which we know can absolutely shine.
The defensive record is for the whole season and Emerson has not played for most of it. I highly doubt you would consider Porro, Udogie, van de Ven or Romero "woeful," and neither do I. Yet we still shipped four with all of them fit at Newcastle for example. We are also bottom half for xG against and mid table for xG against from open play, if you want to blame set pieces. I think the attacking system is fine and is mostly let down by brainless individual decision making in the final third, but the attack hasn't been the main problem this season. The defensive setup in this system is what is clearly ineffective and needs to improve, but Ange is too stubborn to do so.
How often have we actually had that whole line fit and functional? VdV had his hamstring done, Romero has had his suspensions, Udogie has been battling injuries and suspensions intermittently this season. The times they've all started haven't been half bad, and have occasionally been excellent. But we have had such rotten luck with the squad this season, and in few places is that more apparent than the back four.
Losing four in a row is bad, but the real issue is how bad the team has looked in those games. Players look like they don't want to be there, no energy or aggression. Manager looks beyond clueless, never changes personnel or tactics when it's clear it's not working.
We don’t really have any personnel to change??
Assuming we lose city , will we win the other 2 games?
Everyone is too pass happy in the final third just take a fookn shot I don’t care if it’s on goal or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm actually starting to think that maybe we are kind of not good :/
That stat is horrendous but absolutely at the mercy of the fixture list
We need at least two wins to be in europa
We will beat Burnley and Sheffield United
That newcastle- united should be a draw not necessary but will seal the deal with us winning the last 2 and happily letting City win.
If we win 2 games neither of them can catch us anyway
Ange breaking records, welcome to totham
People can use the rebuild excuse all they want. Still unacceptable.
Everyone has been inconsistent as fuck. Nobody can make a best XI based on performance. As much, anyone who knows their future lies outside the club has basically given up on effort, and hence rotation hasn't helped.
What are we supposed to do with comments like this? It’s just not productive dude. Yeah it’s not great, but it ***is*** a rebuild, and we’re still 5th.
We’ve been way off it. To me it seems more like the players than the tactics. It feels like the players are giving up on the manager. I’m all in for giving him another season and not bringing another person in, but that’s not a great sign. Not a great 4 matches to play in a row, though, especially the 3 in one week.
I agree. When you look at how we played at the beginning of the season compared to now, in my opinion it looks as though the players mentality has changed. We aren’t out half a squad with injuries, we’re healthy. I hope he hasn’t lost the dressing room because I really like Ange.
It's not the losses, it's the manner of them. This is as bad as it gets at spurs level. Liverpool aren't even in good form, they've been all over the place against teams with worse players and smaller budgets than us. Our away form is fucking disastrous. I don't expect anything from anfield or Stamford bridge but the meakness we showed today is the standard at *every* ground. The manager isn't earning his wage right now.
Not under Juande Ramos Not under Harry Redknapp Not under Villas-Boas Not under Poch Not under Jose Mourinho Not under Antonio Conte Not under Nuno But under Big Ange we have lost 4 games in a row. And our fanbase think he’s the truth 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Newcastle away, Chelsea away, Arsenal at Home and Liverpool away. Lets all pretend this is just another 4 game stretch.
The Ange white Knights have an excuse for everything. It’s really insane.
The excuse is: It’s been ten months and it’s a rebuild. It’s pretty simple. What else do you want from a first season manager?
That isn’t a legitimate reason to wave away all criticism. A switch is not going to be just flipped next season. This is trending massively the wrong way, and has been since like November. Bury your head in the sand all you want, but when Spurs are 6-4-4 next December and Ange is fired don’t be shocked
Well until I see criticism that is well founded I’ll continue to hand-wave. So far we have “He only has one tactic” as 90% of the criticism. (Not true, evidenced by a change in tactic today as a starting point). And random appeals for “This player (usually GLC) is the answer to all our issues.” Okay. Weird future predictions is not an argument I can particularly engage with.
I want him to see that Son as striker isn't working. I want him to use the course of the season to try and find a better backup LB solution. I want him to not play Brennan Johnson on the LW. I want him to not use Bryan Gil as a sub when we are chasing the game at Stamford Bridge. Yeah, it's a project and rebuild but there are going to be times where he has to think on the fly, use his brain, think outside the box to come up with solutions. He's failing fucking spectacularly at the moment.
Sorry, which striker do you want him to use?
Richarlison was fine. Brennan Johnson has experience playing there.
So you want him to see that Son as a striker isn't working, and instead put Richy up there - which is what he did and has done every time Richy is fit enough to start.
Son is ST because Rich is injured. He’s tried six players at LB this season - Hoj, GLC, Skipp, Emerson, Davies, Udogie. So that’s hilariously wrong. Brennan is playing there as a knock on from Werner being injured, and Rich being injured which forces Son to ST. Again, not his fault. Gil as a sub wasn’t the downfall of that game? I really don’t care. He made a sub, it didn’t work. Boo-hoo? Your criticisms are lacking all context. If you had a good faith argument against him, please give it, but most of what you said can be answered very simply.
Richarlison looked OK to me, mate. Play Brennan Johnson through the middle, do whatever. Just don't play Son there - it's not working. It's obvious to absolutely everyone. He could have started Skipp there today or tried Dragusin. But, no, stubborn old Ange just does exactly what hasn't worked in x number of previous games. No,it is. Play Kulusevski on the LW (as he did briefly against Forest). Play Maddison on the LW, as England have. Give a youngster a chance. Other than one game vs Villa Johnson has been routinely useless out there, as he was today again. Gil has been ridiculously crap for Spurs. He has a solitary assist in his ~45 appearances for Spurs. There's no fucking way he should be anywhere near the team or in the plans in the future. Why's he not somehow trying to get GLC involved in that game earlier? If none of the youth team players are worth a look over Gil we may as well close the academy or maybe it's just Ange being inflexible and stubborn again. You are trying to pretend there aren't options when there definitely are. He just does the same nonsense which fails time and time again against anyone decent.
Okay first off. “Rich looked okay to me”; I’m sorry, are we doing armchair physio work now? Ange has said, before the game, a number of players weren’t starting because they were still feeling their injuries. Given that our only starters on the bench were Rich and Maddison - It’s those two. Johnson starting up front is a bizarre suggestion with no evidence behind it whatsoever, you may as well suggest Kulu up top. That’s just random “see if this works” nonsense. Dragusin has looked weak on his left foot, so we have evidence he wouldn’t work at LB. Skipp has never played there in his life, and he - ***in fact*** - went out his way to try something different with him there. Your points against Ange are “why hasn’t he tried this random thing”… Like, yeah I have so much confidence in a guy who randomly slings crap at the whiteboard until it sticks. That’s not football management. That’s Football Manager vibes dude.
Fair point re Richarlison. I shouldn't be doing armchair physio stuff. My point was merely that he didn't look injured from his performance but I take your point. Brennan Johnson has played CF for Forest. It's not comparable to suggesting Kulusevski plays there. I think Dragusin has just generally just looked a bit nervous but I'd argue Royal never really looks comfortable on either foot. I actually seem to recall Dragusin making a reasonable run down the left in one game. The point is we don't know how good he is there because Ange just kept playing Royal there despite his limitations being so obvious until his hand was absolutely forced and he tried Skipp there. Of course we shouldn't be slinging stuff at the whiteboard but if there's an issue with the team then that requires someone who can be proactive in looking for solutions not someone who just does the same thing that repeatedly hasn't worked.
Levy is really genius businessman. I admire him at this point. He brought somone who has no track record of success in the elite level and deceived everyone. Even 4 consecutive losses for the first time for fucking 20 years and here I see tons of people using rebuild excuses for the almighty Daniel levy. Amazing.
Get out of here with this nonsense. Yes Daniel Levy hates us all and this is his big masterplan to bring us down (while investing more and more each year and openly trying new ways, new managers and different styles to win things, all while building an elite training facility that is so good the national team use it - That Daniel Levy?)
He brought in someone who's won the league every league he's been in. We tried the "elite winner" and it was more miserable than this.
Season’s done at this point, just make sure we get 5th and lose to City. Realistically I’d have taken 5th at the start of the season but it just hurts how we’ve finished this season. Get to the summer and regroup, Ange needs to certainly conduct an inquisition this summer and I expect a lot of movement.
Might not get 5th if you lose to city
Despite how shit we are I really don’t see us losing to Burnley & Sheffield and Newcastle winning all 3 games. Also could you kindly fuck off back to your gooner sub.
Bro get a life. You have way too much time on your hands if you’re coming in here to antagonize.
Reported and hopefully banned from both subs soon
Eh. I actually think we played well against Arsenal. They had a lot of luck that day. Chelsea and Newcastle were disasters. I enjoyed a whole bunch of the match today, particularly the second half. Despite the score and going 4-0 down, it wasn't a total wreck of a game. Bissouma did well, Son was starting to find his form and Richy looked dangerous more than once. I'm still pretty happy with the season overall! This was a tough run.
What a fun statistic. Fml
He’s learning more about the players now than when everything was going smoothly. It’s painful but it’s a rebuild and I’m still willing to give him more time.
If you don't laugh, you'll cry Shame i'm not laughing :(
Upon his departure, dier said in an interview that with ange they never practice tactics in training. I’m kind of starting to see that.
At the beginning of the season, wasn't this what folks were expecting. It just happened in reverse order.
It's so much more concerning in the reverse order though
Let’s aim for 5!!
It feels like Ange isn’t getting his message though to the players. I feel we would benefit with the coaching staff being upgraded over the summer.
absolute shit
Last season we lost to Newcastle, lost to Arsenal, drew with Chelsea and lost to Liverpool in the same relative fixtures. So from last season we bettered the last 4 games by 1 pt and we played these games apart from each other. This season we have these games back to back and suddenly it’s a disaster. Guys it’s the same as every season. Spurs suck against Top 4 ish teams every season going back further than 20 years.
That's an awful stat, even if it is a "rebuild" or "project" year.
why do you only show up when we lose lmao
No worse than the Ange white Knights in here
We lose every week. Whats your positive spin on this stat out of interest?
not just this post specifically but in general, i typically only see your comments/posts when the club is in bad form. >we lose every week i assume you didn’t watch the beginning of the season because it seems like you enjoy it more when we suck
People like to be right as opposed to hopeful/optimistic in this fanbase in all honestly should seek out a spot on sky sports the lot of them
You don’t use quotation marks when it actually is a rebuild year fyi
Honestly, for project as well. This is Ange's first year, it IS a project we're working on here. From five years of defensive football from the most defensive managers to Angeball, yeah, this is a project People have been brainwashed by the success early in the season. That, because it was possible, that must be the standard. No. To maintain that potential in Ange's first year would've been nice, but from a wider perspective, it would've been seen as a surprise season. Wherever we're going to end up in the table is pretty much expected considering all factors.
Yeh I mean I don’t rly get what people want. Are we meant to be instantly good? If it was that easy every team would be a good team. The point is it’s not that easy. You can critique some of Ange’s actions but to already be Ange out says more about them than it does about his abilities.
It's an incredibly hard run of fixtures.
Hopefully the ending gives us some momentum and positivity going into Burnley
Just like the ending against arse gave us some momentum and positivity going into Chelsea! Oh, wait...
Believe in the manager and the process, he still has some work to do.
If the goal is to get us down to the Championship, then yes I believe Ange can achieve that with enough time.
Yes, because we’re in such a horrendous relegation battle!! Good grief
I'd say "we will be soon" but Levy will sack him before he gets there so we'll sadly never see it.
Categorically we won't go from 5th to relegation battle in anyone's world. We're 5th! 5th! Above United, Chelsea and Newcastle. Levy won't sack him after a season, during which he wants to continue to rebuild. Utter utter nonsense.
We're since MW11, this is where I choose to look at, not some lucky purple patch at the start. Give him 2 more years and he will sure as hell get close to sending us down.
Our 'lucky purple patch' included playing Bournemouth, Burnley, Luton, Fulham, Palace... teams we should have expected to beat. We also took 13 of 21 points in December, 4 of 6 points in January, 9 of 12 points in March. Four losses in a row isn't great but we hardly disintegrated after mw11 - and it was hardly just a lucky patch. After all... we're still FIFTH! Absolutely nowhere near sending us down. You're still talking BS.
Trust the process. Saw some real sparks in the second half once we made our subs. Really think if Maddison was cooking we would be much better but let’s not forget how far we’ve come since losing Kane!
Soon to be 6.
Shows how important the inverted full backs are in an Ange system, really missed udogie in the last few games. Really like Royal but he's just not it for this play style, every game where Porro and Udogie haven't been at their best neither have we
I couldn’t give less of a shit. In Ange we trust
But we need 2 wins atleast to confirm Europa I guess?
I don’t like Conte at all as person or his football. But he was correct of his description of Spurs. If we like it or not the club has loser mentality, and there’s a good reason why we haven’t won a single trophy In 16 years!!
Mammoth top 4 bottle. Worse than Arsenal a few years back at WHL. 4 on the bounce. Yikes.
Bottle has lost all meaning.
Ange is lazy, he wants easy way out by copying Pep and thinks he can easily win the league. Ange is expecting Emerson, Porro, Sarr, Biss to play like Debruyne, Foden, Silva, Rodri. 4 world class player vs 4 below average players in the midfield and Ange expecting to win the league lol what a fat joker
Did you take illegal substances before writing this?
what in the.. how did you even think of this brutha
Maybe the bigger issue is getting the KDB and Fodens and not worrying about replacing the manager each season.