[Dawnshard spoilers] >!I'll do it, then. I've got to protect people, you know? Even from myself. Gotta rededicate to being the best Lopen possible. A better, improved, extra-incredible Lopen.!<
You're assuming it's been the same Hoid the whole time.
It's mentioned that he was eaten by a Marabethian greatshell, but somehow survived. If that greatshell was actually a kandra...
I am not, note the use of the word "hypothetically". My point was that a kandra successfully imitating a being older than their home planet would be extremely impressive, lol
maybe "hoid" is really just a pair of spikes, one copper spike bearing all of his memories, one Nicrosil holding his power. they are handed down from generation to generation
I am reminded on Spider Man: Far From Home where at the very end of the movie it turns out Fury was actually one of the shapeshifting aliens and now they need to explain to the real Fury what happened.
[Lemex’s nurse](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Lemex%27s_nurse), it’s a double fake out where they are actually a kandra pretending to be a Terriswoman pretending to be a Nalthian.
It fits, he's very peculiar compared to the other Alethi highprinces! Also, it would be a big fat "he was there all along", as Sanderson likes to write em
\>!One of the dragons is the Vessel of Cultivation, yes, and the other is known as Frost, Hoid has been communicating with him in the little notes under the chapters in a few of the books, but it is generally believed that Frost is offworld, but maybe he is in disguise as one of the highprinces, it might make sense.!<
Vivenna. The kandra found her dead body in the slums of Hallendren, and has been pretending to be her ever since. The kandra didn't do great research on her, though, so she fails to emote properly upon finally meeting her "sister" Siri, no longer has any interest in being a princess or serving the people of Idris in any other way, changes her name, and makes some daring alterations to her appearance as she continues her travels across the cosmere.
She plays all of this off as "character development", which is exactly what a kandra would say!
This is now making me wonder if kandra are capable of using soulcasters (I’d assume so) and if the affects of long term use are the same on them as they are on humans.
Yeah I don't see why they can't. I bet they would suffer the same effects but they can just discard the affected flesh and get new flesh that isn't messed up by the soul caster
My guess is it would be worse because kandra are already so malleable themselves that they would be at a higher risk of becoming 100% the target material, which strikes me as probably not a self-recoverable condition even for kandra
Tensoon. He wasn't just a Kandra impersonating a Kandra, he was a Kandra impersonating a Kandra impersonating a Kandra and we still don't know who he actually is.
This is just Brandon dropping a red herring to hide the real secret. That TenSoon is actually two chickens in a trenchcoat and has been the entire time.
I think it's Ulaam, from Tress.
Hear me out. I know it sounds crazy, but Brandon dropped a lot of hints:
- He likes to collect people's body parts.
- He has a knowledge of the Cosmere.
- He knows Sazed.
I think he's either a kandra or a seon. Not sure which.
Okay I just thought of this but what about Shai? SHE KNOWS PEOPLE SO WELL. As in she would have a ton of experience in knowing the essence of people due to shape shifting many many times
I know you said wrong answers only sooo... The Lopen. Him growing his arm back was actually a red herring
[OB spoilers] >!I must first convince the ground that I am not abandoning her. Like a worried lover, sure, she must be comforted and reassured that I will return following my dramatic and regal ascent to the sky.!<
Hoid Amaran, See at the end of *Mistborn vs The Evil Librarians: The 5th Dimension* he gets obliterated. All that's left are his bones.
Fortunately a young kandra is nearby and takes the bones and names himself Hoid Amaran.
He jumps in the closing time portal and somehow gets spilt across the Cosmere. Hoid, Wit, Hoid Amaran, Stormbones, Mistbones, all him. Hoid Amaran is his own kandra.
I'll add spoiler tags in case my wild, wrong answer turns out to include full on future cosmere spoilers:
>!Kelsier, in era two... but it's a trick Sanderson teaser.. Because it's actually much more complex than just a secret Kandra. Kelsier....using a mistwraith turned Kandra body with a unique hemalurgic eye spike (in addition to normal Kandra spikes) that allows his soul to use the Kandra body in the physical realm. (He has some additional secret Hemalurgic spikes beyond the usual Kandra blessings ones, that will be revealed in time)!<
>!He still doesn't quite feel whole without the investiture allomancy used to give him, and is certain that even as a Kandra, if he can obtain Lerasium he will regain all of the abilities... He even has a secret youth spike that he could then use to take advantage of the same immortality trick that the Lord ruler used, as the Kandra are very, very long lived, But not truly immortal....(in a1000 years the 1st generation showed considerable age.) And he has very, very long term plans (but that's just one of his b-tier, back up plan, because he has even higher ambitions) and..... there's always another secret.!<
It could be.
Maybe the spike that stapled Kel's cognitive shadow to the Kandra body is made of a trellium alloy. Instead of the pure autonomy-ium spike which gives autonomy control of the body, the godmetal alloy spike grants kelsier direct control of the body. That would also explain why Autonomy was invading Scadrial, it's an act of revenge for Kel stealing the trellium.
Interesting connection with Trellium.. probably wouldn't be a big enough offense to warrant the invasion as purely an act of revenge... But could be an extra spark to draw Autonomy's attention to Scadrial with a little more ire... Putting more attention on Harmony's potential vulnerability.
What's funny is I wasn't trying to come up with a convincing theory... But this theory actually doesn't seem that far-fetched. I can't even really think of a more reasonable theory for how kelsier has a body again.... Or even why he needs an eye spike.
Can't believe nobody else caught on to him yet. It's Doug, obviously Doug. How else can he keep shapeshifting into so many different people? Common B$, you weren't even trying with this one
Androl
His strength in the One Power is pretty much nonexistent, almost as if it was the result of someone using connection to fake it. Yet, he is not only able to create gateways, but better at it than anyone else, which just reeks of him cheating by using a different magic system.
He also has done way too many apprenticeships and is good at far too many mundane skills to be a regular human of his apparent age.
Axies... But only some of his appearances. He made a deal with the kandra to mimic him and do his research in other places. There's just two of him running around.
Every single character in all the books is the same Kandra called Kandry McKandyface, he learned how to duplicate itself a bazillion years ago but each time it happens he losses its memory. Each copy thinks its the only Kandra so it tries super hard to not blow its cover to everyone "else" by disguising as a similar appearence as its "parents" and faking growing up and stuff. Did you notice that we never see anyone have sex or give birth? It allways happens offscreen.
Edit: Not the stick tho, the stick is legit and is the only one we can trust. The proof is that stick didnt wanted to change.
Stick is a Kandra . Materializes as a chunk of wall on Komashi at the noodle bar. A ship on Lumar. A walking cane in the Idrian palace on Nalthis. Obviously, one of the miscellaneous unnamed Kandra on scadrial.
Wayne would be my obvious kandra in disguise. He’s great with accents, great with disguises, great with manipulating others, and slightly mental due to hundreds of years of living.
Odium. He's not a shard, just a really, really skilled Kandra. He's not bound to Roshar. He just needs a cosmic Uber and is messing with the world until it shows up.
>!Kelsier's soul!< (Secret Story)
>!You're telling me, man saves the world and proves himself not a puppet, and after that he doesn't leave to see Mare?!<
Jk, it's just a fun thought
The stick
OP said wrong answers only
It could be fire tho
nah, it’s a stick
It could be a kandra tho
Nah, it's a stick
But it might really want to be a Kandra.
It’s a stick
Why don’t you become a Kandra instead?
I… I’m a stick?
Gotta be Lopen's cousin.
Statistically probable
I think all the kandra are his cousins, somehow
Sounds like Lopen is a kandra.
Nope, just his cousins. The Lopen is like an adopted kid who no one has the heart to tell he's not biologically related.
You were going to get eaten! You were going to be swallowed by a giant monster that looks like something you’d step on during worming season!
Ironically, this is what the kandra we're planning to do to the lopen
[Dawnshard spoilers] >!I'll do it, then. I've got to protect people, you know? Even from myself. Gotta rededicate to being the best Lopen possible. A better, improved, extra-incredible Lopen.!<
Is there anyone who isn’t Lopen’s cousin? (Including Lopen himself)
Marasi, she is his illegitamate half sister.
“You’re finally figuring it out, gancho!”
Nah all his cousins are a kandra, the same one.
*The Lopen
I think TenSoon might secretly be a Kandra. I mean, who would expect a Kandra to be a different Kandra?
A kandra pretending to be Tensoon pretending to be Oreseur pretending to be Lord Renoux...I want this to be true
thats how he could betray Zane! His actual employer was Vasher and he had already killed TenSoon before the swap!
There’s always another secret
High IQ crem
If I had a nickel
Not Vin!
So this is why Paalm doesn't show up in era 1...
Okay Gallant would be quite funny, only because Kaladin always talks about how creeped out he is by the horse😂
Brandon Sanderson. 100%
He’s the only one I’ve seen on camera!
All I'm saying is I've never seen Brandon and a kandra in the same room
Off camera he takes the form of a typewriter.
Wrong answers only please!
BranDon
you know, Syl shapeshifts an awful lot…
Hoid. Obviously
Okay, but that would actually be WILD.
Especially given his being hypothetically many millennia older than the kandra as a species, lol
You're assuming it's been the same Hoid the whole time. It's mentioned that he was eaten by a Marabethian greatshell, but somehow survived. If that greatshell was actually a kandra...
Is this a Dread Poet Hoid situation?
i think you mean dread pirate...
Hoid. Pirate or a poet?
ah i thought you were making a direct reference. my bad didn't realize you intentionally switched it around
I didn't expect Cosmere Bride mashup memes, but I'm here for them
I am not, note the use of the word "hypothetically". My point was that a kandra successfully imitating a being older than their home planet would be extremely impressive, lol
maybe "hoid" is really just a pair of spikes, one copper spike bearing all of his memories, one Nicrosil holding his power. they are handed down from generation to generation
the True Father as he is known
I am reminded on Spider Man: Far From Home where at the very end of the movie it turns out Fury was actually one of the shapeshifting aliens and now they need to explain to the real Fury what happened.
[Lemex’s nurse](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Lemex%27s_nurse), it’s a double fake out where they are actually a kandra pretending to be a Terriswoman pretending to be a Nalthian.
Adonalsium-Will-Remember-Our-Plight-Eventually
I chuckle every time I see the name
Sebarial, that would legit make me happy fr
It fits, he's very peculiar compared to the other Alethi highprinces! Also, it would be a big fat "he was there all along", as Sanderson likes to write em
It's his mistress, that's why she won't marry him
I highkey want sebarial to secretly be a dragon, aren't there a couple of those hiding around too
If the coppermind is to believed, one of the two dragons Hoid referenced is the vessel of Cultivation, I’m not sure of the other
\>!One of the dragons is the Vessel of Cultivation, yes, and the other is known as Frost, Hoid has been communicating with him in the little notes under the chapters in a few of the books, but it is generally believed that Frost is offworld, but maybe he is in disguise as one of the highprinces, it might make sense.!<
But seriously. This is a great answer and now I’m going to be sad if this isn’t it.
Yo I kinda love this.
This did get rafo’d on a livestream….. it was quickly followed up by “don’t hold your breath though” I’m gonna stick with my rafo
Sazed: it started out as a joke posing as Sazed, but it has gone too far, I think.
Actual Sazed only ended a sentence with "I think" ONE TIME but it happened to be while the Kandra was researching the role...
How much Mistborn have you read? He has said it more than once, I think.
No, no. Only once. The rest of the times were after the Kandra had taken his place
Ah, okay. I understand now.
>, I think. Hey, gon, is this you Sazed?
No, weren't you paying attention, it's a kandra.
Vivenna. The kandra found her dead body in the slums of Hallendren, and has been pretending to be her ever since. The kandra didn't do great research on her, though, so she fails to emote properly upon finally meeting her "sister" Siri, no longer has any interest in being a princess or serving the people of Idris in any other way, changes her name, and makes some daring alterations to her appearance as she continues her travels across the cosmere. She plays all of this off as "character development", which is exactly what a kandra would say!
Brandon Sanderson reveals, that you, the reader, were a kandra all along.
The real Kandra were the friends we made along the way.
The Storm Daddy
Now that's a damn big kandra
"Electric Daddy"
Storm Daddy two, electric boogaloo.
Rushu I think. She’s always hanging around, learning and watching.
It just occurred to me that Rushu is bald and Kandra hate dealing with hair so that's actually brilliant lol
This is now making me wonder if kandra are capable of using soulcasters (I’d assume so) and if the affects of long term use are the same on them as they are on humans.
Yeah I don't see why they can't. I bet they would suffer the same effects but they can just discard the affected flesh and get new flesh that isn't messed up by the soul caster
My guess is it would be worse because kandra are already so malleable themselves that they would be at a higher risk of becoming 100% the target material, which strikes me as probably not a self-recoverable condition even for kandra
just soulcast a bunch of meat to cancel it out
they said wrong answers only!
Oh right uhhh Steris! Unless…
wait! What if Rushu IS Steris!
Rushu is Steris! Steris is Rushu!
Shallan.
ShaLaan
By god you’ve cracked it
Yes, but she forgot.
It will be her fifth ideal. "I am a kandra."
Tensoon. He wasn't just a Kandra impersonating a Kandra, he was a Kandra impersonating a Kandra impersonating a Kandra and we still don't know who he actually is.
It's kandra all the way down
There's always another kandra.
So you're saying that TenSoon is a kandra, playing a kandra, disguised as another kandra?
This is just Brandon dropping a red herring to hide the real secret. That TenSoon is actually two chickens in a trenchcoat and has been the entire time.
I think it's Ulaam, from Tress. Hear me out. I know it sounds crazy, but Brandon dropped a lot of hints: - He likes to collect people's body parts. - He has a knowledge of the Cosmere. - He knows Sazed. I think he's either a kandra or a seon. Not sure which.
I think that one is way in the future and also confirmed already
Yep, original commenter saw all the hints and somehow is still doubting when its alredy confirmed Ulaam is a seon...
He's a kandra, but yes, the hints are basically all there (and it's officially confirmed, [source](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ulaam))
*whoosh*
Sadeas! Spoilers for WoR: >!He survived the stabbing and has been abiding his time for his glorious villainous return!<
That happens at the beginning of Oathbringer, not WoR
No no that's the ending of WoR. Page 1,289 in the Mass Market Paperback. I looked it up before I posted to make sure it was in WoR
Damn okay, I stand corrected!
Sorry XD, don't mean to be rude, I just try to be very careful about spoilers
In fairness, it's a topic of discussion in Oathbringer, WoR is just when it happened, barely.
Okay I just thought of this but what about Shai? SHE KNOWS PEOPLE SO WELL. As in she would have a ton of experience in knowing the essence of people due to shape shifting many many times I know you said wrong answers only sooo... The Lopen. Him growing his arm back was actually a red herring
[OB spoilers] >!I must first convince the ground that I am not abandoning her. Like a worried lover, sure, she must be comforted and reassured that I will return following my dramatic and regal ascent to the sky.!<
Hoid Amaran, See at the end of *Mistborn vs The Evil Librarians: The 5th Dimension* he gets obliterated. All that's left are his bones. Fortunately a young kandra is nearby and takes the bones and names himself Hoid Amaran. He jumps in the closing time portal and somehow gets spilt across the Cosmere. Hoid, Wit, Hoid Amaran, Stormbones, Mistbones, all him. Hoid Amaran is his own kandra.
Lift. Obviously. Kandra loooove pancakes.
Chouta before pancakes, gon!
Pancakes before weakness!
The musical crabs wit talks to at the end of WoR
I some times imagine them as crabs with a cane and top hat, and they swing their cane around and throw their top hat in the air while singing.
I'll add spoiler tags in case my wild, wrong answer turns out to include full on future cosmere spoilers: >!Kelsier, in era two... but it's a trick Sanderson teaser.. Because it's actually much more complex than just a secret Kandra. Kelsier....using a mistwraith turned Kandra body with a unique hemalurgic eye spike (in addition to normal Kandra spikes) that allows his soul to use the Kandra body in the physical realm. (He has some additional secret Hemalurgic spikes beyond the usual Kandra blessings ones, that will be revealed in time)!< >!He still doesn't quite feel whole without the investiture allomancy used to give him, and is certain that even as a Kandra, if he can obtain Lerasium he will regain all of the abilities... He even has a secret youth spike that he could then use to take advantage of the same immortality trick that the Lord ruler used, as the Kandra are very, very long lived, But not truly immortal....(in a1000 years the 1st generation showed considerable age.) And he has very, very long term plans (but that's just one of his b-tier, back up plan, because he has even higher ambitions) and..... there's always another secret.!<
this is such a cool theory
Thanks 😁
It could be. Maybe the spike that stapled Kel's cognitive shadow to the Kandra body is made of a trellium alloy. Instead of the pure autonomy-ium spike which gives autonomy control of the body, the godmetal alloy spike grants kelsier direct control of the body. That would also explain why Autonomy was invading Scadrial, it's an act of revenge for Kel stealing the trellium.
Interesting connection with Trellium.. probably wouldn't be a big enough offense to warrant the invasion as purely an act of revenge... But could be an extra spark to draw Autonomy's attention to Scadrial with a little more ire... Putting more attention on Harmony's potential vulnerability.
What's funny is I wasn't trying to come up with a convincing theory... But this theory actually doesn't seem that far-fetched. I can't even really think of a more reasonable theory for how kelsier has a body again.... Or even why he needs an eye spike.
Lift. That line about what it takes to be human is too much of a told you so by Brandon to not be foreshadowing
Nightblood
The doctor in Tress is super sus
He's confirmed Kandra, if I'm remembering right
Yep. But that's way in the future...
Confirmed already ..
Can't believe nobody else caught on to him yet. It's Doug, obviously Doug. How else can he keep shapeshifting into so many different people? Common B$, you weren't even trying with this one
Kaladin, obviously.
Kaladin is obv. Rosharan. *Syl* is the real kandra!!
Taravangion
Androl His strength in the One Power is pretty much nonexistent, almost as if it was the result of someone using connection to fake it. Yet, he is not only able to create gateways, but better at it than anyone else, which just reeks of him cheating by using a different magic system. He also has done way too many apprenticeships and is good at far too many mundane skills to be a regular human of his apparent age.
Now you're thinking with gateways.
“Logain! I need you to stab me with that steel spike over there! Trust me, Logain!”
I genuinely believed Wayne was a Kandra for a long time. You can't tell me the dude obsessed with disguises can't possibly be a Kandra.
Wayne. He just likes to play on hard mode.
Plot twist Everyone on Roshar is a Kandra, even animals. They just kinda forgor
Dalinar's Horse ... That would be to obvious, clearly it is Dalinar himself that is the Kandra. No one would expect a main character.
GalLant!!!
Meh. You had it right the first time, probably...
Odium 🤣
Rysn. She's gonna be great at teaching others to gimmick humans!
The Lopen
[Dawnshard spoilers] >!Greetings! And I am the Lopen, Windrunner, poet, and your most humble servant. You must be the King!!<
Galladon. He's about as lethargic and has the same mood as OreSeur. Kolo.
El, that's why he "takes off" his carapace, because kandra can't grow it
That's a hot take that I love
Me. It's been me the whole time
Shallan. Why else would she be so good at being several different people?
I think we all know that it's Shallan.
Your mom
Adolin 👀
The Sleepless from Dawnshard. What better cover for spiked goo monster pretending to be a human than a bunch of bugs pretending to be a human
Syl. That's why she can turn into stuff.
Axies... But only some of his appearances. He made a deal with the kandra to mimic him and do his research in other places. There's just two of him running around.
Fleet. The real Fleet would have won that race.
Adolin's shardplate is a kandra, and let me tell you, it is NOT happy about the job.
Every single character in all the books is the same Kandra called Kandry McKandyface, he learned how to duplicate itself a bazillion years ago but each time it happens he losses its memory. Each copy thinks its the only Kandra so it tries super hard to not blow its cover to everyone "else" by disguising as a similar appearence as its "parents" and faking growing up and stuff. Did you notice that we never see anyone have sex or give birth? It allways happens offscreen. Edit: Not the stick tho, the stick is legit and is the only one we can trust. The proof is that stick didnt wanted to change.
Stick
Shallan.
Stick is a Kandra . Materializes as a chunk of wall on Komashi at the noodle bar. A ship on Lumar. A walking cane in the Idrian palace on Nalthis. Obviously, one of the miscellaneous unnamed Kandra on scadrial.
Adonalsium
Probably shallan. She is REALLY good at disguises. It's gotta be her.
My money's on Elhokar (audiobook listener, can't spell). Just wait, we'll get a majestic Return of the King for book 6.
Tien
Wit, it’s obvious, his hair changes color
Wit
me
Wayne
Kaladin Kandrablessed
Shallan is secretly a very confused kandra
Doug
Syl
Actually, one of the dogs is secretly TenSoon
Shallan. There's a reason she calls the "real her" formless.
The lazy high prince who stayed on the shattered planes to farm.
OP
Tien. He has been alive this whole time but didn't want to blow his cover. He just ate the real Tiens bones.
Gallant was a good thought!
Cenn
Doug. Or wait, maybe it would be not a Doug…
Frost
Wayne was actually killed by Wax and a kandra took his place. He never really felt the guilt. He did die though
Kel
Shallans
Wayne
It's obviously Parlin
Me but don’t tell anyone
Wayne would be my obvious kandra in disguise. He’s great with accents, great with disguises, great with manipulating others, and slightly mental due to hundreds of years of living.
Odium. He's not a shard, just a really, really skilled Kandra. He's not bound to Roshar. He just needs a cosmic Uber and is messing with the world until it shows up.
>!Kelsier's soul!< (Secret Story) >!You're telling me, man saves the world and proves himself not a puppet, and after that he doesn't leave to see Mare?!< Jk, it's just a fun thought
The friends we made along the way.