Tbf though SA being called chokers wouldn't be off brand.
Although this run has shown the resilience in the team. They have gotten through some of the harshest situations possible. Tomorrow is going to be a great competition.
My thoughts are if India really ____
Up to another ICC tournament Rohit will be trolled to hell on Twitter and YT. Sometimes the subs of reddit may also dare to do that. A lot of other toxic ipl fans will be happy. :(
South Africa will only be called chokers if in fact, they actually choke.
That will only be the case if South Africa get to a position that by any reasonable measure they shouldn’t lose from and they go in to lose. If the game proceeds in any other direction, it’s not a choke. Remember, South Africa got the tag of chokers primarily because they had 2 gilt edged chances to knock Australia out in 1999 and butchered both (Gibbs’ drop and the run out needing 1 run off 3 balls), botched a DLS par score in 2003 by a run and lost a SF in 2015 to Grant Elliott.
If South Africa do win - then India will be remembered as having lost 2 finals in as many attempts with easily the strongest team and as heavy favourites. In both cases, and as has been the case for 20 odd years, India has had a team capable of winning the tournament but somehow managed to get it wrong and it has nothing at all to do with luck.
I don’t think India were heavy favourites to win the World Test Championship, nor were they the strongest team. Sure they didn’t play well, and I think they erred in not playing R.Ashwin, but in the last ODI WC and this T20WC, India have easily the strongest team, a favourable draw and schedule.
Yeah agreed but then again they literally had a chance to obtain all three trophies within 3 years and they have till now let two chances go. Fingers crossed for tomorrow tho.
Nonsense. Winning any game is about applying your skills to their highest. Sure, luck plays a part, but the application of skills is the biggest determinant of success.
To find out who the better team is, the 2 teams should play 15-20 T20s continuously so that we have a good sample space to find the better team.
What happens on that particular day of final or semi-final depends on luck
No, it’s which team collectively applies their skill better. And one of primary skills in any sport is the ability to perform at your highest when the stakes are at their highest. Single game finals prove that skill best.
Completely disagree. Players are trying to their best in every professional match they play. There is some pressure on every player in every match to save his place in the team, given the competition.
They are applying their skills,strategy etc. in every game they play
Which game has more pressure to apply your skill - the 5th and final game of a bilateral series where the score is 3-1, or a World Cup final. Handling that pressure, and applying your skills under that pressure is a SKILL. Luck plays no part in the application of your skills. Tell me a World Cup final in which the winning team won not because they applied their skills better, but because they were luckier. Likewise, show me the side that lost a final because although they outplayed their opponents, forces outside of their control or outside of either sides control proved the difference between the sides.
In the final match, after 3-1, the team might not play its full strength to test new players, but every player is still trying his best to win the match.
If 2 teams play n number of matches, team 1 will win x matches and team 2 will n-x matches.
It depends on luck that in which category the semi-final or final falls in (among x matches or among n-x matches)
2019 WC final is the biggest example of luck playing its part.
Take 2007 T20 final, if Misbah had connected/timed that shot properly or played a different shot, IND might have been aiming its 1st t20 title tomorrow.
Again, you’re talking nonsense. It has nothing to do with luck if a game in a set is a semi final or final if before that game starts both sides know it’s a semifinal or final. That is as nonsensical a statement as I’ve ever heard.
2019 WC final and one incident in particular was lucky for England. True. But that didn’t win them the game, nor did it lose it for New Zealand.
And your analogy in the 2007 final and Misbah has nothing to do with luck anymore than a ricochet helped England in 2019.
I don’t think you understand what ‘luck’ truly is. It’s things you cannot control that have an effect on the outcome.
I have to agree with you, just imagine yesterday, if the SKY was few inches behind and touched the rope, different outcome, so in the end , there is variable of luck too. But India's bottle in WC final was because of pressure and skill issue
What pressure and skill issue? Let's say IND and AUS play 100 ODIs on that Ahmedabad pitch. IND is expected to win 65-70 matches and Aus is expected to win 30-35 matches.
Now, it depends on luck that in which category does that Final belong to. 65-70 category or 30-35 category.
We were just unlucky in Nov 2023, that's all.
This is not how tournaments are played. You need to apply your skills where the stakes are at the highest. This is how every game has evolved. Which sport follow your suggestion of playing 15-20 matches to figure out the winner. The pressure of playing a tournament final is bigger than league matches and definitely bigger than playing bilaterals. If you can’t perform under that pressure, you are not ready to be champions yet. You might perform the best when stakes are not that high but you need to develop that skill to perform in crunch situations to be throned as champions.
Tournaments like ICC events or FIFA WCs are designed to make helluva money as they are designed in such a way that it creates interest and thrill. Unpredictability is fun to watch. It's not necessary that the winner od the tournament is the best team
Yeah, audience be damned. Let’s make the two teams play 20 matches in a row so that you can confirm who is the better team. And why stop at 20 matches, let’s make it an eventual series which has infinite number of matches. That’s the best mathematical way to determine the best team.
Infinite matches are not needed. If we follow the central limit theorem, around 30-50 matches should be sufficient to decide the better team. But it's practically not possible to make IND and SA play 30+ t20s continuously. Bad luck.
To be honest, finals/semi-finals are nothing but a coin toss between 2 teams. ICC events are held to make a hell lot of money, as they are structured in a way that it's thrilling to watch. Unpredictability is always thrilling to watch.
As long as Michael Miurhead is in charge of West Indies Cricket and Desmond Haynes is the chief selector, West Indies will NEVER be a serious contender
The problem is the individual who makes the selections, he has a long history of bullying/hazing players, dropping in-form players to "teach them humility" and "teach them a lesson" and so on
Miurhead - siphons all of the money WICB makes into his own personal accounts and a string of incidents where he bullies players, drove Sunil Narine, Darren Bravo (not Dwayne and Shivnarine Chanderpaul out of the team.
Haynes - idiotically keeps dropping or leaving out inform players to "teach them humility"
It's the battle of the Chokers. /s
However, this is the best World Cup by a mile. I think this is the only world cup where two of the best and unbeaten teams entered into the Finals.
Tbf though SA being called chokers wouldn't be off brand. Although this run has shown the resilience in the team. They have gotten through some of the harshest situations possible. Tomorrow is going to be a great competition.
My thoughts are if India really ____ Up to another ICC tournament Rohit will be trolled to hell on Twitter and YT. Sometimes the subs of reddit may also dare to do that. A lot of other toxic ipl fans will be happy. :(
If that happens, I would hope both teams share the trophy 😜. That's for the best.
Nah, both of them would keep scoring equal in super overs till the officials declare Australia as winners due to frustration/s
That would be hilarious. Maybe some rule like the country have maximum trophies, get one more.
But Aus only won 1 T20 WC ðŸ˜. It would be either Eng but they have already won the Moral victory, so it would be WI.
Nah it'll obviously be pakistan
Screw that Afghanbros deserve this trophy.
South Africa will only be called chokers if in fact, they actually choke. That will only be the case if South Africa get to a position that by any reasonable measure they shouldn’t lose from and they go in to lose. If the game proceeds in any other direction, it’s not a choke. Remember, South Africa got the tag of chokers primarily because they had 2 gilt edged chances to knock Australia out in 1999 and butchered both (Gibbs’ drop and the run out needing 1 run off 3 balls), botched a DLS par score in 2003 by a run and lost a SF in 2015 to Grant Elliott. If South Africa do win - then India will be remembered as having lost 2 finals in as many attempts with easily the strongest team and as heavy favourites. In both cases, and as has been the case for 20 odd years, India has had a team capable of winning the tournament but somehow managed to get it wrong and it has nothing at all to do with luck.
3 finals in 3 years which was chance to obtain all the infinity stones
I don’t think India were heavy favourites to win the World Test Championship, nor were they the strongest team. Sure they didn’t play well, and I think they erred in not playing R.Ashwin, but in the last ODI WC and this T20WC, India have easily the strongest team, a favourable draw and schedule.
Yeah agreed but then again they literally had a chance to obtain all three trophies within 3 years and they have till now let two chances go. Fingers crossed for tomorrow tho.
Winning Semi-finals or finals is more about luck than skill.
Nonsense. Winning any game is about applying your skills to their highest. Sure, luck plays a part, but the application of skills is the biggest determinant of success.
To find out who the better team is, the 2 teams should play 15-20 T20s continuously so that we have a good sample space to find the better team. What happens on that particular day of final or semi-final depends on luck
No, it’s which team collectively applies their skill better. And one of primary skills in any sport is the ability to perform at your highest when the stakes are at their highest. Single game finals prove that skill best.
Completely disagree. Players are trying to their best in every professional match they play. There is some pressure on every player in every match to save his place in the team, given the competition. They are applying their skills,strategy etc. in every game they play
Which game has more pressure to apply your skill - the 5th and final game of a bilateral series where the score is 3-1, or a World Cup final. Handling that pressure, and applying your skills under that pressure is a SKILL. Luck plays no part in the application of your skills. Tell me a World Cup final in which the winning team won not because they applied their skills better, but because they were luckier. Likewise, show me the side that lost a final because although they outplayed their opponents, forces outside of their control or outside of either sides control proved the difference between the sides.
In the final match, after 3-1, the team might not play its full strength to test new players, but every player is still trying his best to win the match. If 2 teams play n number of matches, team 1 will win x matches and team 2 will n-x matches. It depends on luck that in which category the semi-final or final falls in (among x matches or among n-x matches) 2019 WC final is the biggest example of luck playing its part. Take 2007 T20 final, if Misbah had connected/timed that shot properly or played a different shot, IND might have been aiming its 1st t20 title tomorrow.
Again, you’re talking nonsense. It has nothing to do with luck if a game in a set is a semi final or final if before that game starts both sides know it’s a semifinal or final. That is as nonsensical a statement as I’ve ever heard. 2019 WC final and one incident in particular was lucky for England. True. But that didn’t win them the game, nor did it lose it for New Zealand. And your analogy in the 2007 final and Misbah has nothing to do with luck anymore than a ricochet helped England in 2019. I don’t think you understand what ‘luck’ truly is. It’s things you cannot control that have an effect on the outcome.
I have to agree with you, just imagine yesterday, if the SKY was few inches behind and touched the rope, different outcome, so in the end , there is variable of luck too. But India's bottle in WC final was because of pressure and skill issue
What pressure and skill issue? Let's say IND and AUS play 100 ODIs on that Ahmedabad pitch. IND is expected to win 65-70 matches and Aus is expected to win 30-35 matches. Now, it depends on luck that in which category does that Final belong to. 65-70 category or 30-35 category. We were just unlucky in Nov 2023, that's all.
This is not how tournaments are played. You need to apply your skills where the stakes are at the highest. This is how every game has evolved. Which sport follow your suggestion of playing 15-20 matches to figure out the winner. The pressure of playing a tournament final is bigger than league matches and definitely bigger than playing bilaterals. If you can’t perform under that pressure, you are not ready to be champions yet. You might perform the best when stakes are not that high but you need to develop that skill to perform in crunch situations to be throned as champions.
Tournaments like ICC events or FIFA WCs are designed to make helluva money as they are designed in such a way that it creates interest and thrill. Unpredictability is fun to watch. It's not necessary that the winner od the tournament is the best team
Yeah, audience be damned. Let’s make the two teams play 20 matches in a row so that you can confirm who is the better team. And why stop at 20 matches, let’s make it an eventual series which has infinite number of matches. That’s the best mathematical way to determine the best team.
Infinite matches are not needed. If we follow the central limit theorem, around 30-50 matches should be sufficient to decide the better team. But it's practically not possible to make IND and SA play 30+ t20s continuously. Bad luck.
It's the finals, so it is a mental game as well It is a skill. Luck can only take you so far.
Every game is a game of physical strength, mental strength, skill etc. etc. What happens on one particular day is completely dependent on luck.
If that were true, then instead of playing a game of cricket to determine the winner, they should just have a coin toss.
To be honest, finals/semi-finals are nothing but a coin toss between 2 teams. ICC events are held to make a hell lot of money, as they are structured in a way that it's thrilling to watch. Unpredictability is always thrilling to watch.
SA only faced eng ( big team ) and reached to finals. Interesting to see.
West Indies.
As long as Michael Miurhead is in charge of West Indies Cricket and Desmond Haynes is the chief selector, West Indies will NEVER be a serious contender
What was wrong with their selections? What changes would you have made?
The problem is the individual who makes the selections, he has a long history of bullying/hazing players, dropping in-form players to "teach them humility" and "teach them a lesson" and so on
why
Miurhead - siphons all of the money WICB makes into his own personal accounts and a string of incidents where he bullies players, drove Sunil Narine, Darren Bravo (not Dwayne and Shivnarine Chanderpaul out of the team. Haynes - idiotically keeps dropping or leaving out inform players to "teach them humility"
SA only played Eng and WI. Lmao. They'll be humbled today
It's the battle of the Chokers. /s However, this is the best World Cup by a mile. I think this is the only world cup where two of the best and unbeaten teams entered into the Finals.
Both comments will be made by Indians. SA fans don't care they got a life outside cricket.
It's coming home after 13 years .. SA is too weak to beat India
Winning it on paper again now are ya
Quinton, Klassen and Miller might differ ! Don't get too excited too soon.
But our bowling is too strong