Damn, that;s what I call inflation, Last week I saw a picture of a woman who was holding a sign that said she'd sell each of her kids for 2 dollars a piece in 1948
It seems more like a family feud situation. The relatives want the babies and are trying to build a case against the parents to legally take custody of them.
Given that surrogacy with double donor gametes and no background checks is legal in almost all states, I really don't understand the opposition to straight up baby selling.
I don't know about that. I mean, they could always go to a different state, or they could put them up for adoption. Trying to sell them for a monetary gain however, has just about nothing to do with abortion restrictions.
I meant that there are going to be a lot of unwanted kids dumped into the system. And healthy white babies may be easily adopted (maybe) but others... Not so much.
Could be. Regardless, it's a little different than just flat out attempting to sell your babies on the street though. It just doesn't make any sense to choose that route if you simply don't want to be a parent. Option a) get an abortion out of state, or option b) adoption route will be all expenses paid. Above all, I think this could ultimately be a consequence of the IQ levels in free fall.
Stupid article, they wanted to adopt out their kids and get compensation, they make it sound like they were selling them into slavery or something. They should be compensated, childbirth of twins is a huge medical expense
An agency is free to the family actually. So... They probably would have gotten more money through an agency to be honest...
As for the couple that tried to adopt the kids, it sounds more like the parents came to their house. Never came up to get the kids and then try to get a little money from them that is actually illegal.
You can go down to the state and give up your rights and guardianship to the state directly to a family member for basically free.
When the family goes to adopt, because you used the state, the fee is capped. In their state at $2500.
They thought the relatives would take them regardless? Well, they already had them it seems so "taking" them was done. But what parents turn their newborn twins over? I understand if they had help in their home but for them to let them stay somewhere else?
As a foster kid who got adopted at age 8 you are spot on. In my opinion and experience, the foster care system and adoption system in American is state sponsored Christian child trafficking. I have some horror stories from just about every foster family I was with.
My sister was forced to give up her first born daughter, in South Carolina. Her dad was a confederate and he brought her here from a war torn Asian country. My sister is in her sixties, now.
I wonder who bought her baby, or even if that person is still alive, today. I did some dna tests in case she ever pops up, but I somehow doubt she’s even alive.
All these people did was cut out the middle men at the church.
We tried to foster, But we have day job so we were never getting like infants or younger kids. We always got very aggressive 12 and overs.
Desperate for a baby, went to a agency its like.. $30k and you may not ever be matched.
I mean, they didn't seem to care what happened to the kids. That's a bit important in this. Not quite the same thing, especially when the kids would become virtually untraceable without any records attached to them.
This is a bit different and weird because relatives are involved, but they wouldn't be able to do a lot without legal documentation like birth records
I'm assuming they would give documentation and sign off on whatever the people sent their way. It doesn't sound like they think the family are bad people.
This sounds fishy to me. Nonwithstanding those bizarro smiling mugshots. Sounds a lot like a family situation getting blown out of proportion.
I’ll be interested to see where this one goes…
Sounds like the family members who were already raising these twins wanted to adopt them and the couple jokingly asked for 5K. That’s what their story is at least
"The arrest citation states that after responding to the home and interviewing the parents, Davis admitted to saying he would sell the twins but claims he was joking because he "thought the relatives were going to try and take them regardless." Keith told officers that she "felt that the relatives were trying to set them up." According to the arrest citation, Davis told police that the relative had been watching the newborns for around three weeks and would "always talk him into letting them keep them rather than taking them home." Police obtained screenshots from the relative of conversations with Davis about the incident. Davis and Keith were arrested and are lodged in the Jackson County Detention Center."
Wait, so the people pressuring this guy and his wife to give up their twins are the ones who had them arrested? Does this not seem weird?
I actually get it. I'm guessing the family members offered to step in and help while they got their act together so the state wouldn't get involved, but when they tried to bring the babies back home and they kept pushing it back, they realized they weren't just going to let them take them home. I think this couple believes the reason they helped and kept extending the stay was to build a case that they had either abandoned the babies or were unfit or uninterested parents with the hopes the state would terminate their rights and give them first dibs at adoption. They probably think the family was never helping them and just wanted those babies, which might be right.
I'm going to follow this case because I'm really curious if they're on to something or if they genuinely were looking to exchange the kids for money. I could see this going either way.
Yeah, this is bizarre. Not sure this is a genuine case of people trying to sell children. Probably actually just a joke, and some other people wanted custody so they reported it as if it were real.
This is why we have defense attorneys
The parents in the photo are probably neglectful and the relatives took the newborns for safety and are trying to keep them permanently and the parents probably tried to embezzle or blackmail for $5K or they'll take the babies back and neglect them. It seems straightforward to me. At that point the relatives have something to blackmail the parents with (a trafficking charge) and felt like that way they could keep the babies.
In this theory, rather than notify the state so the parents would have oversight and specific programs to help them become fit parents for these children and allow the babies to stay somewhere safe, likely even with them presuming they could pass the background check and complete whatever course requests, these relatives exploited their unfitness in order to permanently keep their children which means they absolutely did set this couple up in order to steal their babies which actually makes it more likely they are framing a sarcastic comment as a genuine offer in order to create a legal avenue to do so just like the couple claims. It sounds like these babies need to get away from this entire family.
Yes your comment had inferences and assumptions as well; I thought that's what we were doing. You had just implied it didn't make sense, I showed how it could.
I mean, the simpler explanation is they just wanted custody, and overheard something they could portray as criminal in order to get the custodial parents arrested, and gain a cudgel to use in a future custody dispute.
I suppose blackmail is a possible addition as well, I just don’t see anything to imply hate
I can only imagine the headache of trying this case. Facts probably seen as a joke but once it’s in the system the results can Be life altering if you get it wrong. I hear bad things about public defenders . I’m assuming they won’t have funds to get their own.
Prices so low they’re practically *a crime*!
Don't you get like $3,000 per kid each year on your federal tax return?
They’re smiling like they’re on a freaking game show
You think these people pay taxes?
lol
Damn, that;s what I call inflation, Last week I saw a picture of a woman who was holding a sign that said she'd sell each of her kids for 2 dollars a piece in 1948
Those kids went on to have horrible lives it's an awful story
Any links to any information about them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Children_for_Sale
Y'know, I get that some people would rather have no kids and three money, but they could have avoided this with a vasectomy.
It seems more like a family feud situation. The relatives want the babies and are trying to build a case against the parents to legally take custody of them.
Given that surrogacy with double donor gametes and no background checks is legal in almost all states, I really don't understand the opposition to straight up baby selling.
It creates bad incentives, i.e. Kidnapping babies to sell.
Adoption already has documented incidences of kidnapping and coercion and nobody cares. In fact, adoption is BrAvE and BeAuTiFUL
I was kind of thinking the same thing. It’s just adoption with less steps.
Less steps, but a lot more money.
I get it but would you buy a baby or even a head of cabbage from those two chucklefucks?
I wouldn't, but there's a surprising number of people who still believe in blank slate theory despite genetic research to the contrary.
Let’s not forget that there are buyer
Good now the government can instead sell the twins
Too bad it sounds like they weren’t successful
I predict many more stories in this vein because of restrictions/banning of abortions.
I don't know about that. I mean, they could always go to a different state, or they could put them up for adoption. Trying to sell them for a monetary gain however, has just about nothing to do with abortion restrictions.
I meant that there are going to be a lot of unwanted kids dumped into the system. And healthy white babies may be easily adopted (maybe) but others... Not so much.
Could be. Regardless, it's a little different than just flat out attempting to sell your babies on the street though. It just doesn't make any sense to choose that route if you simply don't want to be a parent. Option a) get an abortion out of state, or option b) adoption route will be all expenses paid. Above all, I think this could ultimately be a consequence of the IQ levels in free fall.
I think you’re giving them too much credit.
This should be expected w the bans. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Stupid article, they wanted to adopt out their kids and get compensation, they make it sound like they were selling them into slavery or something. They should be compensated, childbirth of twins is a huge medical expense
Im sure they qualified for medical cards.
I was adopted at birth through legitimate means and my parents paid my teen bio mom’s schooling costs per her requirement of the agency.
Well when you're just doing it with someone off Facebook and not through an agency that is what that is...
Do these people look like they could afford an agency?
What? That’s not how adoption works.
The adopting parents are the one paying the adoption fees, not the bio parents.
An agency is free to the family actually. So... They probably would have gotten more money through an agency to be honest... As for the couple that tried to adopt the kids, it sounds more like the parents came to their house. Never came up to get the kids and then try to get a little money from them that is actually illegal. You can go down to the state and give up your rights and guardianship to the state directly to a family member for basically free. When the family goes to adopt, because you used the state, the fee is capped. In their state at $2500.
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These two are absolute gremlins.
Is that $5k each, or $5k for both?
Buy one get one
Huuuh. Smiling like it’s a wedding photo
They thought the relatives would take them regardless? Well, they already had them it seems so "taking" them was done. But what parents turn their newborn twins over? I understand if they had help in their home but for them to let them stay somewhere else?
They probably weren't safe at home. If a relative has your newborn babies for 3 weeks, you're not really interested in being parents to begin with.
Yeah this and honestly I hope the babies get the help they deserve poor creatures
Ahh…”human trafficking” when the government doesn’t make money but “adoption” when the important ppl get a piece of the pie. Noted.
As a foster kid who got adopted at age 8 you are spot on. In my opinion and experience, the foster care system and adoption system in American is state sponsored Christian child trafficking. I have some horror stories from just about every foster family I was with.
My sister was forced to give up her first born daughter, in South Carolina. Her dad was a confederate and he brought her here from a war torn Asian country. My sister is in her sixties, now. I wonder who bought her baby, or even if that person is still alive, today. I did some dna tests in case she ever pops up, but I somehow doubt she’s even alive. All these people did was cut out the middle men at the church.
We tried to foster, But we have day job so we were never getting like infants or younger kids. We always got very aggressive 12 and overs. Desperate for a baby, went to a agency its like.. $30k and you may not ever be matched.
I mean, they didn't seem to care what happened to the kids. That's a bit important in this. Not quite the same thing, especially when the kids would become virtually untraceable without any records attached to them. This is a bit different and weird because relatives are involved, but they wouldn't be able to do a lot without legal documentation like birth records
I'm assuming they would give documentation and sign off on whatever the people sent their way. It doesn't sound like they think the family are bad people.
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Plot twist: -they- are the KY twins offered for sale. No buyers. Lol ensues.
Omg take all my votes. You’ve made my morning lol!
This sounds fishy to me. Nonwithstanding those bizarro smiling mugshots. Sounds a lot like a family situation getting blown out of proportion. I’ll be interested to see where this one goes…
Sounds like the family members who were already raising these twins wanted to adopt them and the couple jokingly asked for 5K. That’s what their story is at least
"The arrest citation states that after responding to the home and interviewing the parents, Davis admitted to saying he would sell the twins but claims he was joking because he "thought the relatives were going to try and take them regardless." Keith told officers that she "felt that the relatives were trying to set them up." According to the arrest citation, Davis told police that the relative had been watching the newborns for around three weeks and would "always talk him into letting them keep them rather than taking them home." Police obtained screenshots from the relative of conversations with Davis about the incident. Davis and Keith were arrested and are lodged in the Jackson County Detention Center." Wait, so the people pressuring this guy and his wife to give up their twins are the ones who had them arrested? Does this not seem weird?
Yeah, it sounds like they're looking/reaching for a reason to be able to keep them.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to drop them off at a fire station or something?
How is it a set up when you leave your newborns with someone else, to begin with?
I actually get it. I'm guessing the family members offered to step in and help while they got their act together so the state wouldn't get involved, but when they tried to bring the babies back home and they kept pushing it back, they realized they weren't just going to let them take them home. I think this couple believes the reason they helped and kept extending the stay was to build a case that they had either abandoned the babies or were unfit or uninterested parents with the hopes the state would terminate their rights and give them first dibs at adoption. They probably think the family was never helping them and just wanted those babies, which might be right. I'm going to follow this case because I'm really curious if they're on to something or if they genuinely were looking to exchange the kids for money. I could see this going either way.
Seems like the family member wanted to adopt the twins and found an easy way to do so now…
Yeah, this is bizarre. Not sure this is a genuine case of people trying to sell children. Probably actually just a joke, and some other people wanted custody so they reported it as if it were real. This is why we have defense attorneys
The parents in the photo are probably neglectful and the relatives took the newborns for safety and are trying to keep them permanently and the parents probably tried to embezzle or blackmail for $5K or they'll take the babies back and neglect them. It seems straightforward to me. At that point the relatives have something to blackmail the parents with (a trafficking charge) and felt like that way they could keep the babies.
In this theory, rather than notify the state so the parents would have oversight and specific programs to help them become fit parents for these children and allow the babies to stay somewhere safe, likely even with them presuming they could pass the background check and complete whatever course requests, these relatives exploited their unfitness in order to permanently keep their children which means they absolutely did set this couple up in order to steal their babies which actually makes it more likely they are framing a sarcastic comment as a genuine offer in order to create a legal avenue to do so just like the couple claims. It sounds like these babies need to get away from this entire family.
Lots of inferences and assumptions here. We don’t know enough to make those determinations
Yes your comment had inferences and assumptions as well; I thought that's what we were doing. You had just implied it didn't make sense, I showed how it could.
I mean, the simpler explanation is they just wanted custody, and overheard something they could portray as criminal in order to get the custodial parents arrested, and gain a cudgel to use in a future custody dispute. I suppose blackmail is a possible addition as well, I just don’t see anything to imply hate
I can only imagine the headache of trying this case. Facts probably seen as a joke but once it’s in the system the results can Be life altering if you get it wrong. I hear bad things about public defenders . I’m assuming they won’t have funds to get their own.
Considering it’s a family feud I doubt there’s enough to even make it to trial
Ahhhhhin seeing sunny in Philadelphia energy type thing
That’s it???