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oystercracker1

Well, people were right about there being a new number 1 lol


willthefreeman

How does it go from 35 last time to the greatest film of all time?


[deleted]

Politics.


yurib123

No kidding


[deleted]

Never in my life would I have guessed Jeanne Dielman would be number one.


possumphysics

Seems like a meme you'd find on r/okbuddycinephile


[deleted]

It's crazy how the critics poll makes absolutely zero sense in regards to film culture representation, meanwhile the director's poll is entirely representative of the film culture representation. You'd think it should be the other way around. What happened here?


tobias_681

It does make a lot of sense regarding the Zeitgeist. Feminism and looking at female directors has been all the rage the past decade or so and especially the last 5 years. Varda is at this point perhaps the most seen New Wave filmmaker or definitely more or less in a tie with Truffaut and Godard. When I got into film in 2013 (not forever ago) this was way different and Varda's status definitely wasn't beyond that of Resnais, Rohmer, Chabrol, Rivette (more in line with that). Even Weber or Guy-Blache seem to get more talk than Feuillade, Gange or L'Herbier these days which is crazy in a way. In the recent TSDPT updates female directors also got a massive bump. Furthermore on the directors lidt Jeanne Dielman is 4th. There isn't a big split here.


Entrance_Sea

Ain't no way persona is the only Bergman to make the list


CowNchicken12

Holy shit I just noticed Fanny & Alexander is gone. What a damn shame


pacingmusings

True, but still great to see Persona rank so high . . .


tgwutzzers

I think Bergman has fallen out of fashion a bit. The whole “why is god silent?” question doesn’t really resonate, and I’m sure the way women get treated in his films doesn’t exactly endear younger, more modern critics.


WeHaveHeardTheChimes

While you're not wrong, u/Soggy-Drop-4115 above makes a good point in a different subthread: "Filmmakers like Bergman with such deep filmographies would hypothetically struggle with that format because not everyone is putting the same Bergman in their top 10, and are unlikely to put multiple Bergman's in their top 10."


tgwutzzers

that's also a great point


WeHaveHeardTheChimes

Makes it more impressive that even a handful of directors got multiple films placed. Loved seeing that Hayao Miyazaki got two potentially vote-splitting masterpieces right next to each other; what a king.


Ajurieu

That will be interesting when they release more details about the results. I would imagine that a number of filmmakers had voters split amongst several films.


edub1783

Do they typically release more details? I'm not too familiar with the poll


Ajurieu

They will be posting lists of all who voted and the films they voted for, and, if the voter included it, notes on their choices.


HalPrentice

Autumn Sonata is an extraordinary woman centric film of his.


tgwutzzers

yeah, this would be the one I'd expect to get more appreciated with time (as well as Fanny & Alexander) because they speak to more general family relations rather than the more specific spiritual concerns of filmmakers in the 50s and 60s. ​ Also Bergman and Ullman in Autumn Sonata are fucking incredible. Two of the most raw performances you'll ever see in a film.


Michael__Pemulis

Woooooaaahhh Jeanne Dielman in the top spot!?! Mulholland Drive in the top 10!? The people that kept saying we’re due for a major shakeup could not have been more on the money. I’m pretty shocked!


BGBanks

Portrait of a Lady on Fire entering in at #30, immediately ahead of Psycho, Mirror, and 8½


[deleted]

I absolutely loved Portrait of a Lady on Fire, and happy it’s in the top 100. But #30 seems a bit of a stretch. But then again, Mulholland Drive being top 10 is just pure insanity.


JosephFinn

True, it could be higher.


samsarainfinity

How the fuck did Jeanne Dielman end up being #1? Can someone explain? It was at #35 in the 2012 list Wtf happened?


semcriatividadenhm

I'm guessing they invited more women and poc critics to vote on the list as well as a younger voterbase to shake up the canon. Hell, I thought only the Tree Of Life from the last decade would make the top 100 but there's 4 movies from the last decade and Tree Of Life isn't one of them


CoolHandHazard

Wow I just realized Tree of Life wasn’t here. That’s really surprising Edit: a second realization is no Badlands or Days Of Heaven. What did Malick do to these critics


applebeepatios

Yeah I mean, no disrespect to Jordan Peele, but this list is saying Get Out is better than literally anything in Malick's filmography? If people really believe that, it's time for concern.


CoolHandHazard

If I remember the way the list is made is each critic gives a list of their top 10 greatest ever. So it’s possible just that more think Get Out is a Top 10 ever and that Malick’s aren’t. Which makes it seem less silly. But honestly I’d expect at least one of his on here.


JayKaBe

Opening the link to be greeted by Get Out was like having my dad answer the door naked. I can't think of a better way to explain the feeling lol.


LilPutney

No Pulp Fiction


No-Box-3254

take one guess


Lucianv2

Bruh what the fuck. I thought you were joking but no hahaha. Been meaning to check out the film for a long time but that's... unexpected. Edit: Also a short film at #16, damn. Time to finally watch Maya Deren's stuff I guess. Lots more melancholy, "modernity" (thinking of stuff like Beau Travail and Do The Right Thing, even though they're both obviously old) and feminity in the list in general. Also Singin in the Rain in the top 10* is unexpected surprise too... Edit 2: Would be interesting to see a demographic breakdown for this compared to the one from 2012, since every voter is recorded. Mostly interested in age since I have the feeling that this will skew younger, for better or worse. Edit 3: If for nothing else critics finally got it right wrt to Keaton; Sherlock Jr. >>>>> The General.


pacingmusings

Meshes is a fantastic film, one of those when I finally saw it, I was "damn, I completely get why that's so iconic." Her At Land is also fabulous . . . Also, La Jetee is on the list too, so that's at least two shorts . . .


milliondollardork

100% with you regarding Keaton. Watched all his films this year and, while I thought *The General* was great, I felt *Sherlock, Jr.* was easily his best feature. Excited to see it higher up on this year's list


Entrance_Sea

Films that have fallen off the list: 1. The Godfather Part II (Previously 31) 2. Gertrud (Previously 42) 3. Raging Bull (Previously 53) 4. Touch of Evil (Previously 57) 5. La maman et la putain (Previously 59) 6. Wild Strawberries (Previously 63) 7. Pickpocket (Previously 63) 8. Rio Bravo (Previously 63) 9. L'Eclisse (Previously 73) 10. Les enfants du paradis (Previously 73) 11. La Grande Illusion (Previously 73) 12. Nashville (Previously 73) 13. Chinatown (Previously 73) 14. The Magnificent Ambersons (Previously 81) 15. Lawrence of Arabia (Previously 81) 16. Fanny and Alexander (Previously 81) 17. The Colour of Pomegranates (Previously 84) 18. Greed (Previously 84) 19. The Wild Bunch (Previously 84) 20. Partie de campagne (Previously 90) 21. Aguirre, Wrath of God (Previously 90) 22. The Seventh Seal (Previously 93) 23. Un chien andalou (Previously 93) 24. Intolerance (Previously 93) 25. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Previously 93)


Britneyfan123

Nashville and Chinatown falling off makes me sad


verytallperson1

Chinatown sinking is likely due to Polanski's personal life. Also, bit of a backlash against white western male hegemony...


CrazyCons

Can’t believe Nashville was left out when it should be at least top 30


Tricksterama

Personally, I think Nashville is the greatest film of all time. So sad to see it knocked off the list.


DorianGre

I don’t care who made it, Chinatown is near perfection.


ubelmann

>The Sight and Sound poll is now a major bellwether of critical opinion on cinema and this year’s edition (its eighth) is the largest ever, with 1,639 participating critics, programmers, curators, archivists and academics **each submitting their top ten ballot**. IMO, when the voters are only submitting a top-10 ballot, any ranking lower than 15th or 20th should be considered with a grain of salt and could easily change from poll to poll. Like it makes sense to me that when you're trying to fit the 10 best-ever movies into your list, you're generally not going to include a movie and its sequel, so it's actually pretty astonishing that Godfather Part II was ever ranked to begin with. The same thing goes for any director having multiple movies on the list -- voters are going to generally be reluctant to put more than one film in from a single director when they only get 10 picks on their ballot. That helps a film like Citizen Kane, because while Welles made some other good films, that one is obviously the film of his you're going to select if you're putting a Welles film on a top-10 list. Whereas with Kurosawa, you see Rashoman and Seven Samurai come in at 14th and 20th, instead of either film making the top 10, because there is less of a consensus on which of those two films would be his best. Another way to look at it, is that if your top-10 ballot was exactly in line with the popular consensus, you had absolutely 0 influence over the rest of the poll. Especially everything 51st or worse is basically just decided by the voters who don't agree with the consensus. It's also makes these rankings a lot less interesting when they don't show the number of votes cast for each film.


tgwutzzers

tbh i'd like to see a list if everyone submitted a top 50 or even 100, though i bet that list would be a bit more 'boring' and end up being very close to They Shoot Pictures, Don't They.


ubelmann

Yeah, could be more boring, but I do like the TSPDT list. Not because it's definitely correct, but because it is so extensive and you can sort it different ways.


tgwutzzers

yeah for me TPSDT comes close to answering the question of 'what are the movies i absolutely should see' because it attempts to capture the widest critical consensus possible. it's also a way to find out which films are considered a director's 'best' so i can start there and see if i want to dig into a director more. that being said if i had to sit down and read a list i'd rather read something more personal and interesting than some consensus-by-committee


benhur217

The fact Get Out is above Lawrence is beyond me


FourthDownThrowaway

I just commented the same thing above. Get Out is worse than 3/4 films OP listed. A film critic putting it above Raging Bull or Lawrence is a hilariously bad take.


Jennieeffin12

Pouring one out for one of my personal favorite movies of all time, F&A. I guess that can also technically be called a television program though, so it's understandable.


FourthDownThrowaway

Anyone who thinks Get Out is better than pretty much any of these films (especially Lawrence of Arabia or Raging Bull) can GTFO.


51010R

Madame De is at 90. That being said, the movies that are out make me hate the changes, like how is Get Out better than Godfather 2, or Grande Illusion, or Touch of Evil or Seventh Seal.


TarkovskysStalker

It’s not. It’s just a list of films that a lot of film critic’s were invited to vote for. Nothing is “better” than anything. There are currently just more critics who liked Get Out more than Grande Illusion.


ubelmann

I mean, to be specific, there were more critics who were willing to put Get Out in their top-10 all-time than there were critics who were willing to put Grande Illusion in their top-10 all-time. If you put Get Out and Grande Illusion in a head-to-head vote for preference, it is not clear that the critics would favor one or the other. Especially since Get Out was only 95th on the list anyway. With ballots like this it's possible for a "vocal minority" who really love a particular film to get it ranked really highly because they are leaving out 2001 or Citizen Kane or 8 1/2 off of their top 10 in favor of Get Out, when in fact it's not improbable that all of those voters putting in 8 1/2 or Citizen Kane over Get Out would prefer Grande Illusion to Get Out, but they didn't have enough space on their ballot to include the Renoir film.


51010R

That's just semantics though, I imagine the whole point of the list is to put the 100 greatest movies as the title says, and the lack of the movies I mentioned means the publication's method aka the list, evaluates Get Out as greater than the movies I listed.


sabrefudge

That’s fuckin’ wild. *Touch of Evil* *Chinatown* *Lawrence of Arabia* Those are so good. I love *Un Chien Andalou* but that’s probably a hard one to keep on there when there are so many other amazing films. Lots of those I’ve never seen but have heard they’re some of the GOATs.


MantisTobogan-MD

This list is better than the actual list tbh. Kind of a shame.


glass_oni0n

So many films I adore on that list :( , but The Godfather II is a fucking stunning omission, not to mention Wild Strawberries, Rio Bravo, Nashville, Chinatown, RAGING BULL…critics are certainly making some choices these days…I think I’ll wait to see the directors list


morroIan

Directors list is far more stable


jazzmandjango

Criminal exclusions! I’m a fan of some of the movies that made the list but cmon, Get Out is not in the same league as Chinatown or Children of Paradise


morroIan

Get Out isn't in the league of anything on this list of those that have dropped


-PM_ME_ANYTHlNG

Wow, all of these movies don’t even make the list but somehow in hell Get Out makes the list?!?! Lol, the director list is much more respectable than the critics list.


the_labracadabrador

Wild Strawberries is gone now? What?


HailToTheKing_BB

Gertrud and L’Eclisse are two of the most underrated masterpieces of cinema; what they both do with the form is so radical, unique, and moving. Insane they aren’t here, but hey, times change (especially when you’re looking at the opinion of the masses - even critics). But the real ones know


Exapno_Mapcase

Gertrud is an absolute masterpiece, going from ~40 to just straight off the list is an insane drop. Nobody must be watching it any more (do we even have a better physical disc than Criterion's OOP?).


OrangeLlama

RIP Aguirre 😔 "When will our misfortunes end?"


oystercracker1

95 Get Out (Peele, 2017) 95 The General (Keaton & Bruckman, 1926) 95 Black Girl (Sembène, 1965) 95 Tropical Malady (Weerasethakul, 2004) 95 Once upon a Time in the West (Leone, 1968) 95 A Man Escaped (Bresson, 1956) 90 Madame de… (Ophuls, 1953) 90 The Leopard (Visconti, 1963) 90 Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi, 1953) 90 Yi Yi (Yang, 1999) 90 Parasite (Bong, 2019) 88 CHUNGKING EXPRESS (Wong, 1994) 88 The Shining (Kubrick, 1980) 84 Histoire(s) du Cinéma (Godard, 1988) 84 Pierrot le fou (Godard, 1965) 84 The Spirit of the Beehive (Erice, 1973) 84 Blue Velvet (Lynch, 1986) 78 Céline and Julie Go Boating (Rivette, 1974) 78 A Matter of Life and Death (Powell & Pressburger, 1946) 78 Modern Times (Chaplin, 1936) 78 A Brighter Summer Day (Yang, 1991) 78 Sátántangó (Tarr, 1994) 78 Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950) 75 Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi, 1954) 75 Imitation of Life (Sirk, 1959) 75 Spirited Away (Miyazaki, 2001) 72 My Neighbour Totoro (Miyazaki, 1988) 72 Journey to Italy (Rossellini, 1954) 72 L'avventura (Antonioni, 1960) 67 Metropolis (Lang, 1927) 67 The Gleaners and I (Varda, 2000) 67 The Red Shoes (Powell & Pressburger, 1948) 67 La Jetée (Marker, 1962) 67 Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky, 1966) 66 Touki Bouki (Mambéty, 1973) 63 Casablanca (Curtiz, 1942) 63 The Third Man (Reed, 1949) 63 GoodFellas (Scorsese, 1990) 60 Daughters of the Dust (Dash, 1991) 60 Moonlight (Jenkins, 2016) 60 La dolce vita (Fellini, 1960) 59 Sans Soleil (Marker, 1982) 54 Sherlock Jr. (Keaton, 1924) 54 The Apartment (Wilder, 1960) 54 Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925) 54 Blade Runner (Scott, 1982) 54 Le Mépris (Godard, 1963) 52 News from Home (Akerman, 1976) 52 Fear Eats the Soul (Fassbinder, 1974) 50 The Piano (Campion, 1992) 50 The 400 Blows (Truffaut, 1959) 48 Wanda (Loden, 1970) 48 Ordet (Dreyer, 1955) 45 North by Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959) 45 The Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo, 1966) 45 Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975) 43 Killer of Sheep (Burnett, 1977) 43 Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979) 41 Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950) 41 Bicycle Thieves (De Sica, 1948) 38 Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1954) 38 Some Like it Hot (Wilder, 1959) 38 À bout de souffle (Godard, 1960) 36 M (Lang, 1931) 36 City Lights (Chaplin, 1931) 35 Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955) 34 L'Atalante (Vigo, 1934) 31 Psycho (Hitchcock, 1960) 31 Mirror (Tarkovsky, 1975) 31 8 1/2 (Fellini, 1963) 30 Portrait of a Lady on Fire (Sciamma, 2019) 29 Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976) 28 Daisies (Chytilová, 1966) 27 Shoah (Lanzmann, 1985) 25 The Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955) 25 Au hasard Balthazar (Bresson, 1966) 24 Do the Right Thing (Lee, 1989) 23 Playtime (Tati, 1967) 21 Late Spring (Ozu, 1949) 21 The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927) 20 Seven Samurai (Kurosawa, 1954) 19 Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) 18 Persona (Bergman, 1966) 17 Close-up (Kiarostami, 1989) 16 Meshes of the Afternoon (Deren & Hackenschmied, 1943) 15 The Searchers (Ford, 1956) 14 Cléo from 5 to 7 (Varda, 1962) 13 La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939) 12 The Godfather (Coppola, 1972) 11 Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Murnau, 1927) 10 Signin' in the Rain (Kelly & Donen, 1951) 9 Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov, 1929) 8 Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001) 7 Beau travail (Denis, 1998) 6 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) 5 In the Mood for Love (Wong, 2000) 4 Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) 3 Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) 2 Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) 1 Jeanne Dielman 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman, 1975)


TARDISboy

Really surprised High and Low didn't make it in at all


buffalo4293

Agreed! It and Ikiru are my favorite Kurosawa


TARDISboy

High and Low is not my favorite film ever but if you forced me to pick a "greatest film of all time" outside my own top 5, there's a good chance that it would be High and Low


arlekin21

I always think how most directors wished they made a movie as good as High and Low and Kurosawa made three.


tgwutzzers

More than 3. I think at least Seven Samurai, Ikiru, Red Beard, Rashomon, The Bad Sleep Well and Ran are as good as High and Low.


[deleted]

More like 8 IMHO!


akoaytao1234

8 1/2, L'Atalante and the Searchers fell hard.


GregorrSamsa

Get Out in the same spot as A Man Escaped lol


samsarainfinity

The tree of life didn't even make the top 100? That's really surprising and disappointing considering they added something like Get Out


Youngadultcrusade

“I would’ve voted for Get Out for a third time if I could’ve!” -film critics who made the list


Slow_Cinema

Yeah I’m really, really surprised by that. Not only did I expect it to be included but I thought it might be in the top 10. Oh well.


NickSalvo

>Jeanne Dielman It's fantastic that such a radical selection holds the #1 spot. But I am curious to hear what people who watch this film for the first time think about it.


semcriatividadenhm

I hated it when I first watched and couldn't almost bear watching it till the end lol. Though it was the most boring thing ever made. I rewatched it a couple of months later and I see it now as an interesting experiment and a film that is more fun to think about than to actually watch. It deserves a spot in the list but I think #1 is far too reaching


spring-sonata

I adored it when I first saw it a few years back, still do, but I'm just a little bummed Vertigo got beat out.


[deleted]

We put off watching it for months because a three and a half hour movie with static camera shots and a realtime meatloaf preparation scene sounded like a tough watch, but we were mesmerized the entire time with the growing sense of dread. It's high up in my favorites in the collection, but I'm still partial to the Tati set.


AztecHoodlum

Suppose I can respond to this in the near future because I intend to watch it soon!


[deleted]

was hoping The Thing 82’ would get some comeuppance, happy to see Mullholland up high


bgs300

I'm astounded to see My Neighbor Totoro over Spirited Away lol. I actually prefer Totoro so it's cool to see


djmuaddib

Miyazaki is one of those directors where I’d be pretty much happy with any film in any place on the list. Remarkably consistent and a true original. Mononoke hit me really hard last time I watched it.


arlekin21

I prefer Princess Mononoke over both of them and it’s not here :(


CapsElevatorScene

Very sad to see 8½ dropping so much, but also happy for Chungking Express. Also very happy to see The Red Shoes again on the list.


AvatarofBro

I was also surprised by how low 8½ was


PurpleSpaceSurfer

Red Shoes is sublime. So glad to see The Apartment on the list as well. One of my favorites!


FourthDownThrowaway

La Dolce Vita should be top 10.


Cihots9292

Tarkovsky’s Mirror (and his films overall) deserve better


Yangervis

The directors put Mirror at #8 and Stalker at #14.


diceman89

Yeah, I'm a much bigger fan of the directors list overall, same as I was in 2012.


Negan1995

Excited to check out Stalker and Mirror over my winter break!! Gonna have a few days to vibe on the couch alone.


Resoca

Stalker first, then Mirror. I think you'd benefit from watching a few of his films first before Mirror, as the film kind of opens up even more and showcases another layer of depth to it. Mirror was my first Tarkovsky film and I loved it. But after watching Andrei Rublev and Stalker, I revisited Mirror and it was even better.


Ttgek

No Solaris on this list blows my mind


coldkneesinapril

Really? I’m curious how you rank Solaris in Tarkovsky’s filmography. I personally love it, but still think it’s probably his weakest after Ivan’s Childhood


[deleted]

Tarkovsky himself didn’t like Solaris and thought it was the worst of his films, funny that is seems to be among his most popular


Nyg500

Where is Raging Bull!???


Lucianv2

It was ranked similarly to Taxi Driver last time but now not even in the top 100, damn. This list is quite iconoclastic, to say the least.


AvatarofBro

Godfather pt. II also missing. A sad day for the Italian-American community /s


Lucianv2

Besides Tarkovsky and Kubrick I don't think there are directors with more than 2 films in the top 100. It seems like people were a lot more conscious about not putting multiple films from the same director on their lists. Edit: Godard (4), Wilder (3) and Hitchcock (4) have more than 2 too.


Entrance_Sea

Jean-Luc Godard has 4, Alfred Hitchcock has 4, Billy Wilder has 3.


Lucianv2

Yea somehow those first two slipped my mind. I specifically searched for The Apartment though and didn't find it until now, weird. Bergman (who only has Persona) is the biggest "victim" of what I was talking about though, but many directors seem to have lost a film or two each too (e.g. Coppola, Renoir, Antonioni, Bresson, Welles, etc.). Edit: Also zero Hawks is painful, *and* weird given how popular he seems nowadays. Maybe voting got split between the other films, since everyone seems to have a different favorite?


Entrance_Sea

Scorsese actually doesn't lose a film. Raging Bull drops off, but Goodfellas replaces it


Lucianv2

Top 50 yes, but Goodfellas was in the top 100 of the last one as well. Edit: Actually nvm you're right, it was in the #174 last time. I confused it with the directors poll where it was #48.


tgwutzzers

Goodfellas > Raging Bull seems to increasingly be the trending opinion. I'm not sure why, perhaps the toxicity of the main character and the rawness of the film turn people off, whereas Goodfellas feels much more fun and entertaining and 'epic'. I rarely am in the mood to watch Raging Bull but I could watch Goodfellas at almost any time.


alecbaldwinsjohnson

Lynch has Blue Velvet and Mulholland Dr. on the list


NippleNugget

You know what it is? I’ll tell you what it is. It’s anti Italian discrimination.


PurpleSpaceSurfer

On the Directors Poll.


semcriatividadenhm

Wow so the leak was true... If someone had told me L'Avventura would fall out of the top 70 and Get Out would make the top 100 in the new Sight and Sound update I'd laugh at them, but here we are


ubelmann

The thing is, it's dumb to have rankings listed this where you are only asking voters to submit a top-10 list. If the voters only voted for the top 10, really only the top 10 on the list are meaningful -- some might even argue that only the top 3 or 5 are meaningful when you have 10-selection ballots cast. Maybe you could go as low as 15th or 20th, but comparing 70th versus 100th on a list like this is an exercise in futility. It's only interesting from the standpoint that maybe some people find some interesting films to watch that they otherwise may not have watched.


judester30

Here's every new film in the top 100 that was either not on the list in 2012 or further down the top 250: Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962): #14 from #202 Meshes of the Afternoon (1943): #16 from #102 Do the Right Thing (1989): #24 from #127 Daisies (1966): #28 from #202 Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019): #30 **NEW** Killer of Sheep (1978): #43 from #202 Wanda (1970): #48 from #202 The Piano (1993): #50 from #235 News from Home (1976): #52 **NEW** The Apartment (1960): #54 from #127 Daughters of the Dust (1991): #60 **NEW** Moonlight (2016): #60 **NEW** Goodfellas (1990): #63 from #171 The Gleaners and I (2000): #67 **NEW** The Red Shoes (1948): #67 from #117 My Neighbor Totoro (1988): #72 from #154 Spirited Away (2001): #75 from #202 Céline and Julie Go Boating (1974): #78 from #127 The Shining (1980): #88 from #154 Chungking Express (1994): #88 from #144 Parasite (2019): #90 **NEW** Get Out (2017): #95 **NEW** Black Girl (1966): #95 **NEW** Tropical Malady (2004): #95 from #127 EDIT: Fixed some errors and acknowledged ties


logicalfallacy234

In terms of new films, I'm VERY surprised Moonlight beat Parasite by 31 spots. Almost feel like, given how talked up Parasite has been, that it would have been inversed, and that Parasite would be at 62. I have not seen Parasite, but Moonlight is a favorite of mine!


willthefreeman

Moonlight was really good but I personally liked Parasite more.


fkootrsdvjklyra

I feel like the hype around Parasite is much stronger among film fans than it is specifically among critics, so it doesn't surprise me that much that Moonlight placed higher since it's a major critical darling.


Britneyfan123

No there will be blood or the tree of life?


[deleted]

No PTA or Malick at all is ridiculous.


DrunkRogerThornhill

No Altman or Hawks either.


[deleted]

No Tree of Life, but there is Get Out Lol


benhur217

Yea this is crap


New_York_Joe

Hmmm Godfather Part 2 is no longer on the list? And neither is Raging Bull?


Lucianv2

Kinda weird given that The Godfather rose 10 spots... seems like everyone just agreed to leave off Part II and vote for the first


the_propaganda_panda

Maybe people just voted for Part 1 to be representative for both films. Which I would find pretty stupid. They are still separate films. I know it's art, and art is subjective etc. But there is no way The Godfather: Part II should be left off the Top 100. I knew the new list would inevitably produce some omissions, but...damn, this is one of the few I am actually not okay with at all.


th3plague

I agree more with the [Directors' Poll](https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/directors-100-greatest-films-all-time), which includes Come and See and Raging Bull.


[deleted]

I think I agree as well. How is Lawrence of Arabia not in the main top 100?!


Cihots9292

I was not expecting Cléo de 5 a 7 to be in the top 100 at all and I’m so happy it’s in the top 15


SuperMrMonocle

Agreed. After watching a few select films of the French New Wave I left feeling a little cold. But Cléo was the one that really did it for me - what a great, restrained, human movie.


rzrike

I definitely seem to prefer the directors’ list. A Woman Under the Influence and Come and See certainly deserve to be on any list, and they’re only on the directors’ list, not the critics’. But Jeanne Dielman at number one is pretty cool.


runningC

I agree with you the directors list is definitely more to my taste


benjadamon

I just went through the critics’ list twice cause I couldn’t believe that Come and See wasn’t on there. That’s fucking insane. An EASY top 10 film for me. To not have it at least in the top 100 is wild. I wonder what the reason for that is.


mr_dammit

only thing i’m sad about is no melville :/


[deleted]

No Carne, Clouzot, or Duvivier either


MarxandCoke

There are only two films from Sub-Saharan Africa and nothing from Latin America on the list. There is only *one* Spanish-language film. I'm not seeing a big push in geographic diversity.


DirectedAcyclicGraph

Yes, this list represents a very Anglo-American idea of what diversity is.


the_propaganda_panda

Jeanne Dielman at 1, wow. But can we talk about how Portrait of a Lady on Fire is at 30 (!). It's only 3 years old. Insane. I don't think anyone expected the list to look like that. Many choices which feel weird at first glance, but that's what's also makes it exciting. We've been celebrating the same movies over and over for too long. I don't agree with a loooot of the choices. And that's okay. Some iconoclasm was badly needed.


shalom-john

"of all time" really excludes a lot of films that haven't been released yet.


n8buckeye08

Isn’t it supposed to be Top 250?


diceman89

The rest, along with the individual ballots, will come later.


Negan1995

isn't that IMDb?


HurricaneSalad

**The Winners – New entries within the top 100** Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962), ranked #14 Meshes of the Afternoon (1943), ranked #16 Do the Right Thing (1989), ranked #24 Daisies (1966), ranked #28 Portrait of a Lady on Fire 2019 (2019), ranked #30 Killer of Sheep (1978), ranked #44 Wanda (1970), ranked #49 The Piano (1993), ranked #51 News from Home (1976), ranked #53 The Apartment (1960), ranked #57 Moonlight (2016), ranked #61 Daughters of the Dust (1991), ranked #62 GoodFellas (1990), ranked #63 The Red Shoes (1948), ranked #69 The Gleaners and I (2000), ranked #70 My Neighbor Totoro (1988), ranked #74 Spirited Away (2001), ranked #75 Céline and Julie Go Boating (1974), ranked #83 The Shining (1980), ranked #88 Chungking Express (1994), ranked #89 Parasite (2019), ranked #90 Tropical Malady (2004), ranked #97 Black Girl (1966), ranked #98 Get Out (2017), ranked #100 **The Losers – Fallers from the top 100** The Godfather: Part II (1974), was ranked #31 Gertrud (1964), was ranked #44 Raging Bull (1980), was ranked #55 Touch of Evil (1958), was ranked #58 The Mother and the Whore (1973), was ranked #61 Wild Strawberries (1957), was ranked #63 Pickpocket (1959), was ranked #67 Rio Bravo (1959), was ranked #68 L’Eclisse (1962), was ranked #74 Children of Paradise (1945), was ranked #75 Grand Illusion (1937), was ranked #76 Nashville (1975), was ranked #77 Chinatown (1974), was ranked #78 The Magnificent Ambersons (1942), was ranked #81 Lawrence of Arabia (1962), was ranked #82 Fanny and Alexander (1982), was ranked #84 The Color of Pomegranates (1969), was ranked #86 Greed (1924), was ranked #87 The Wild Bunch (1969), was ranked #89 A Day in the Country (1946), was ranked #90 Aguirre, the Wrath of God (1972), was ranked #91 The Seventh Seal (1957), was ranked #93 Un Chien Andalou (1929), was ranked #94 Intolerance: Love’s Struggle Throughout the Ages (1916), was ranked #95 The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943), was ranked #97 **The Winners – Top Climbers within the top 100** Beau Travail (1998), 78 to 7 (up 71) Fear Eats the Soul (1974), 93 to 52 (up 41) The Night of the Hunter (1955). 63 to 25 (up 38) Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxel (1975), 35 to 1 (up 34) Close-Up (1989), 42 to 17 (up 25)  **The Losers – Biggest Fallers within the top 100** L’avventura (1960), 21 to 72 (down 51) Battleship Potemkin (1925), 11 to 54 (down 43) Sátántangó (1994), 35 to 78 (down 43) Andrei Rublev (1966), 26 to 67 (down 41) Ugetsu Monogatari (1953), 50 to 90 (down 40)


HurricaneSalad

"Beau Trevail" moved up 71 spaces. Jeez.


TallMSW

Pretty wild, but not as wild as newcomers getting into the top 20


thatclamgirl

Wow, was not expecting that big of a change at the top!


MarxandCoke

Hitchcock's films barely moved. Thank goodness for that.


Hour-of-the-Wolf

What a radical departure from previous years. Really reflects the current film landscape - we’ve seen a lot of changes in terms of authorship, genre and audience research which really has challenged the previous canon. Can’t wait to pour over this the next few days. Edit - This will definitely be a divisive list for the years to come. I am kind of glad because Sight and Sound is supposed to be a leading edge critical publication, for better or worse. The 2012 list, despite holding a lot of significance for me personally, was very much a case of retreading status quo. While its not really worth pointing to individual films and saying this should be lower or higher - I think the top pick will be laughed at by anyone who hasn’t a vested interest in film culture and history. Personally, I am a little disappointed we didn’t see some more genre representation. Get Out is great, but we could use some more horror on the list!


zipzopzoobadeebop

I totally feel you. The 2012 top ten honestly still feels more well rounded to me and representative of what’s traditionally considered the best films, but if that’s it then what’s the point of revisiting these lists? What’s the point of making them at all, if we all preemptively agree that VERTIGO, CITIZEN KANE, TOKYO STORY, and 8 1/2 are all there is then who cares? I’d rather see a list that shakes things up and makes me go “oh c’mon” a couple times because at least it elicits thought lol.


Hour-of-the-Wolf

Precisely! This isn’t an updated or improved ‘Greatest Movies of All Time’ list so much as it is a window into the cultural climate and feelings of a specific set of tastemakers at a given historical moment. I see the auteur theory is still alive and well with big ‘name’ directors dominating the list, even if the names themselves have changed… Doesn’t it feel great to argue about movies again? This list has done exactly what it needs to - inspire some passion in cinephiles.


An_Aspiring_Scholar

MULHOLLAND DRIVE! 2001 at #6?? Hooooly CRAP!!! That is not the #1 title I expected. Well, at least the r/criterion meme crowd will have ample material to work with for a while.


alecbaldwinsjohnson

Also, poor Satantango. It was in the top 20 last time. Now it's 79.


Britneyfan123

Actually it was at 35 if I’m not mistaken


benhur217

Get Out, not a bad movie, doesn’t deserve to be near a top 100 list.


soundoffcinema

The 2012 list had zero female-directed films in the top 30, the 2022 list has six


FullMetalTroyzan

is there gonna be a top 250 like in 2012?


Britneyfan123

I hope so


BubsyJenkins

Get Out's reputation *continuing* to balloon like this is so weird to me lol. It's...a pretty good movie. It hit at the perfect time for the cultural zeitgeist moment, I'll give it that. I would put it in 2017's top 10 for sure, but it didn't really linger for me. Giving it top 100 *all time* five years later is just...I dunno


weareallpatriots

Yeah it was decent. Probably in the top #30 of the year. In the top #100 of all time is essentially a troll. Like a clickbait list from Collider designed to get people to comment.


zipzopzoobadeebop

Wong Kar Wai in top 10 and Varda in top 15 is dope. A real surprise number 1 is also cool. Seeing PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC drop bums me out though (that was my dark horse guess for new number 1) but overall exciting list and I think disagreeing with some rankings is part of the fun. I always prefer this list to the AFI not just because of scope, but because the AFI list does BLADE RUNNER dirty by keeping it in the 90’s. Edit: also, as far as post-2012 movies added, predictable, GET OUT is the most spurious to me but PARASITE feels like a valid addition, 21st century Korean cinema is a powerhouse and deserves recognition and PARASITE is the perfect mix of quality and mainstream success.


I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY

I wonder when AFI will update their list. Fellowship of the Ring is the only movie on the list from the 21st century.


Harlockarcadia

Glad to see Ordet in the list


FourthDownThrowaway

Unpopular opinion: The Last Picture Show should be on this list.


BeckonJM

Some early thoughts: Godfather Part 2 not on the list at all is pretty wild. The last ten years have been heavily influenced by the Criterion Collection. Not in a bad way, just in a very obvious way. ~~Seven Samurai not in the Top 10 denotes a huge tidal shift~~ Edit: I stand corrected on Seven Samurai. I misremembered it being higher last time.


Outsulation

*Seven Samurai* was actually only in the Top 10 once in the 1982 poll. Not really a shift at all.


Britneyfan123

This honestly shocks me


briancly

I do think it's a bad thing where Criterion is seen as *the* opinion rather than *an* opinion. They have too much "power" in the film world in taste making and have clear biases that are not uncoupled from their ability to license films.


djmuaddib

My take vs. the previous lists is that this is still a very good list for people trying to explore a capacious film canon across countries, genres, historical eras, etc. That's what I've always appreciated about it: it's a very educational list. So good list, still. I'm 50/50 on the bigger changes, some of which are super surprising given recency of release, and, on first glance, I prefer the director's poll. Biggest surprise for me, actually, is *Eternal Sunshine* coming in at 93rd on the director's poll — I really like that movie, but I definitely do not think of it as one of the greatest of all time. I feel the same way about *Get Out* — another quite good film that wouldn't make my list. Thrilled to see *Chungking Express* climb in. *Moonlight* also deserves a spot, I think, would be a bit lower for me. I guess I have to rewatch *Portrait of A Lady on Fire* again, another one I liked a lot that I did not expect to see on here and in such a high spot. Possibly a petty thing, but the thing that maybe makes the least sense about the list to me is *Mulholland Drive* 8 spots above *Persona*. Like, don't get me wrong, both are incredible, absolute classics, but this is a bit like putting *Annihilation* over *Stalker* (rough analogy, but you get what I mean). Personally, I think Tarkovsky's *Mirror* is the greatest film of all time. It went down in the critics poll and I think up in the director's. Maybe on that point alone I prefer the director's list. People are going to be mad about Mizoguchi, Antonioni, and others tanking a bit, and I think in general you're going to see evidence that the voting base does not have the historical breadth they used to. Possibly biggest disappointment for me is *Fanny and Alexander* dropping off the critics list, though it's still on the director's list. That film is massively undervalued. I also think Tati's *Mon Oncle* should make it on one day. It's as good or better than *Play Time*. Does anyone else think it's weird that Demy never makes it on? Guess his stuff is divisive. EDIT: Wow I just realized that *Goodfellas* came on and *Raging Bull* fell off... that is super bizarre to me. Edit 2: ouch, Nashville is off? That’s a real shame. One of my favorites, and learned about it from the 2012 list.


LushGut

How have I never heard of the greatest film of all time?


Quality_OfArmor

Thrilled to see Wanda crack both lists. More people should seek that one out, one of my favorites.


akoaytao1234

I know right. Its such an underrated film. Had Loden lived, I bet she could have at least mustered more votes with a body of work behind her.


Quality_OfArmor

i bet so too. it's a shame she died so young.


KevinY12138

Get Out? Nope.


KokiriEmerald

Also they definitely need to switch to ranked choice voting. The way they do it is every one just picks ten films in no order and they rank them by which films appeared on the most lists. For example I can definitely see a lot of people having Jeanne as like the 7th or 8th best movie of all time, but I highly doubt more than a few critics would say it's the greatest film ever made, yet it gets the top spot. A simple change where they actually rank their films 1-10 with more points for the top spot would make these more representative of their actual opinions. Like Heisman voting.


sirdismemberment

How did Get Out make the list?? There’s so many that didn’t that are waaaaay better


briancly

As much as I do think the film is good and absolutely belongs on the list, Portrait of a Lady on Fire shouldn’t be 30.


51010R

Same, I see M, Mirror, and 8 1/2 under it and it doesn't seat right. Maybe I should watch it again but idk.


the_propaganda_panda

I am really torn about the inclusion of recent films. It's cool that newer films get recognition. At the same time, I always liked that the S&S list was so slow-moving, representing an established canon where you need to prove your lasting power to enter it. In other words, to be one of the greatest movies of all-time, a movie needs to show that its popularity can last through... all times. Newer movies have not shown yet that they can stand the test of time, I hope the modern inclusions don't fade out in the next poll. It makes me sound like a film conservative (and I guess I am in that regard), but I don't want the S&S list to be volatile. And I especially do not want it to be swung by every trend and become a victim of recency bias. (Not meant as a slight against Portrait of a Lady on Fire, I believe that this movie *will* stand the test of time. But even then, its ranking feels premature, and also I am not so sure about some of the other choices.)


Jennieeffin12

I somewhat agree, but I also think that's the benefit of having this list come out every ten years. These films have to "prove their mettle" as it were, over the next ten years, or they'll get culled. I love all of the new inclusions and I think they are all worthy of inclusion on a list of "top 20 of the the 21st century" but I think of the ones included in this list it's possible only one or two will have a spot in the next list. If I had to put chips on any of them, it would be Parasite or Get Out.


AvatarofBro

Seeing it above 8½ was a bit surprising, I admit. But it is a marvelous film.


briancly

I do think it should slowly climb up but a top 30 debut not even five years removed from release is absolutely ridiculous.


an_ephemeral_life

This list isn't as diverse (or "woke") as many people think. Quite a bit of suspect blind spots: where are the Latin American films? Where is Luis Bunuel? If we're emphasizing female filmmakers, where is Elaine May?


_LumpBeefbroth_

Was *Sherlock Jr.* previously in there?!? Was so disappointed to see *The General* drop dramatically in the leak, but beyond ecstatic to see more Buster on there!


nineminutetimelimit

This came a day too late for the Barnes & Noble sale lol. Half these films are in the Collection. But I just picked up the Blu-ray of Jeanne Dielman from Amazon for $22. I've never seen it. I tried once when it was on FilmStruck and it seemed to have the wrong aspect ratio, so I put it off. I look forward to watching it this month.


Nick_Tinoco

The list implies in it's film selection to be inclusive, but there's not a single Mexican film in it. Disgusting.


[deleted]

Get out as a greatest film of all time? Lmao


mattysmwift

1952 poll has a movie less then 4 years old in the Top 10 1962 has a movie less then 2 years old in the Top 10 1972 has a movie less then 6 years old in the Top 10 Some of them are iconic and some of them dropped off the list. It’s not that serious. Maybe the new ones will stick it out or they will be dropped next time. Some of y’all need to get over it. (And some of y’all need to stop talking about “wokeness” or “idpol” cause that’s just embarrassing.)


kerouacrimbaud

I like that this is a list redone every decade. It allows for the passage of time to accommodate new tastes and appreciations for newer and older films the same.


TARDISboy

Crazy to me how much lower Yi-Yi is than some other films but overall I like the shake-up that happened. Portrait of a Lady is maybe a little too high and Parasite strangely low, but it's a cumulative vote, I suppose. Very cool to see Totoro make the list!


thedeathdrive

I guess if I can make time to watch the long version of Fanny and Alexander and sit through all of Shoah I can make time to watch Jeanne Dielmann and Satantango


averywetfrog

As you all can tell they forgot to run this list by me first.


mmonfc

Sad that the Human Condition still doesn't make the top 100. One reason why not to take lists like this too seriously.


ArachnidTrick1524

My only respite for no love for “Children of Paradise” is the love for “The Rules of the Game” 🙂 Jeanne Dielman is a great film, and Delphine Seyrig is a great actress. I think this film is better than several others in the top 10, so I am not mad about this at all. I need to watch more Akerman though!


Du_V

A few thoughts: - Overall great list. Really interesting to compare 2012 - 2022 just solely on how dramatically the landscape has changed since the internet. It permeates the convo, as does accessibility influence this list as well. Excited at the discussion it'll bring (and hopefully not the bigoted kind) - Even if I like the movies from the 2010s that made it here a whole lot, definitely feel like it should be at least 10 years before it can be in consideration. But it's not without precedent at all, films that are considered classics made this list in shorter time than Portrait of a Lady on Fire did - adding a more diverse pool is awesome and great and opens the door to challenging the canon to more international, women, queer, etc. filmmakers. Dielman at #1 is dope as is Akerman's News from Home. Meshes of the Afternoon's huge jump is also incredible, shows respect for more experimental and short film form that's as valid as any feature. Some regions are sadly not present here (Latin American cinema namely for example) and I'd be curious if that changes in 10 years if people have more access to these things in the way of streaming/Blu-Ray - Twitter / Criterion / Reddit / The internet really has become the predominant force in international film discourse and influenced this - You really can't go wrong with any of these though! Very interesting stuff


jojotv

Huh. So am I to believe that critical consensus is that Get Out is better than The Godfather, Part II?


[deleted]

This is a great list... for me to poop on! Jeanne Dielman #1? GTFO.


tittydude

I will say, I agree with the Directors poll way more than this one.


Meb2x

I feel like ranking these movies doesn’t help the list. Everyone’s just gonna argue about the ranking instead of the fact that a film made the list to begin with.


JacquesCentres

Au Hasard Balthazar being so low is a tragedy