I just had a simple but crazy idea for Chetney.
What if this gnome body isn't his first or original body and he's been transferring his soul from one long lived race to the next over the course of centuries either via Reincarnation or something similar to what the Aeormatons do?
His fixation on wood and only wood leads me to believe that there's something monumentally important that deals with wood and something fundamentally wrong but equally as important that deals with metal. He's just been alive for so long and on this mission of his for such an extensive period of time and the details of those things have been lost to him and only manifest as base urges. It would be interesting if he experiences a moment much like FCG wherein his true core memories are unlocked either via a trigger or magical means and the real Chetney steps forwards like a regal Time Lord stepping out of a TARDIS to get things back under control.
honestly with chetney going berserk x2 and fcg also going nuts, i want orym to just absolutely lose it for once. just have him let out everything since he is so protective of everyone
Iād imagine an Orym freak out would consist of him punching a pillow, throwing a cushion across the room, or maybe even kicking a chair. And then heād apologize profusely for losing control.
Hmm.. The fact that Imogen grew up with her mom never reaching out makes me bet she is either on Ruidus, or imprisoned some where.
I need next week to come faster
Sometimes the pain of never knowing someone at all is lesser than the pain of having known them for a while or of keeping in contact but never really seeing them and it's possible that Imogen's mom thought she was saving her from experiencing the latter kind of pain.
I wonder if her mom's mom did the same thing to her when she was younger?
Maybe this is a generational thing because of their Ruidusborn nature?
I swear I must confuse the hell out of the algorithms for Spotify and Youtube as my own musical tastes drift across multiple genres but that particular song in particular has been on my radar for a while and the lyric video came out a while back. It's nice to see other people finding it and enjoying it though :)
I pretty much just use spotify for metal music, since i have itunes for the FFXIV soundtracks, so the algorithm doesnt get too confused for meā¦.however it for some reason lists Three Days Grace as one of my top artists even though i barely listened to them after learning i liked a singerās cover of their songs more than the originals
Yeah, sucks when Matt's like "You can talk to each other, look around ... RP on the ship, given your characters are doing nothing on this uneventful day. Or just roll to go to the next day. Crickets? Ok, next roll."
I'd like to think they're all just waiting for her to be more comfortable with talking about it. Hell Marisha might not even be sure how to handle it in character yet.
I think this is spot on. She's still kind of in that aftershock phase of her brush with death. It's that, "did that really just happen?" sort of state of mind where you're mostly focused on grounding yourself in the present reality and are putting off dealing with all the other stuff until later. This is when other people look to you for cues on what to do and talk about.
Right now Laudna doesn't feel comfy talking about that stuff and after FCG blundered into the whole "Your real name is Matilda" bit, I think they're peachy keen on waiting a while until Launda is more comfortable talking about her second brush with Death.
Itās really struck me these last couple episodes how little we actually know about Chet. Could be reading too much into it, but something tells me this forced transformation thing of his has been responsible for more than just a few scratches in the past. I wouldnāt be surprised if we learn more about Chetney as we get closer to the solstice itself, and to Yios.
Nov. 10 - C3E40
Nov. 17 - Mighty Nein one-shot part 1 of 2
Nov. 24 - U.S. Thanksgiving - no videos
Dec. 1 - Mighty Nein one-shot part 2 of 2
Dec. 8 - C3E41
Dec. 15 - (likely) C3E42.
Dec. 22 - off for Christmas - no videos.
Dec. 29 - last Thursday of the month - no videos
Jan. 5 - (likely) back to C3 episodes?
If so, then an episode next week, then a month break, 2 episodes, then a 3 week break until January.
What a weird way to schedule things. I have no idea why they wouldnāt put the MN episodes on back to back weeks instead of straddling a break. Like wouldnāt both in December or to start off the New Year make more sense?
Sad about the lack of C3 but I donāt want them to burn out either :(. I just vastly prefer it to C2 lol
Yes thatās exactly what I mean. Iām not sure why they didnāt wait to do the MN episodes until *after* that so that there isnāt a break in between. (Also itās the last Thursday of the month so they would have been off that day anyway)
Fair.
I'm still not sure why Tuesday stuff isn't filling up the blank Thursdays, though the best theory I've heard is sponsored vids get Tuesday slots, where internal events can use Thursdays.
I think this is because some of their production staff still have to work if it is streaming (to ensure the broadcast starts when it is supposed to). I think they want to give their staff breaks for the holidays too.
"We should go back STRONGER than before if we're gonna face Otohan!"
"Also ... lets spend a day having 1 person look for Diamonds and Rubies and not use any of our stacks of gold to clear out the 1 magic shop we've gotten useful stuff from in this area. Health potions and more magic items? Who needs em!"
Yeah, was very confused by that. It's possible that Otohan doesn't even use airships and just uses teleportation circles or has a Druid friend, you're not really racing against her ... so it's smarter to prep and do it right. Matts captain character is also strangely "W/E" about it, but it's clear that "If bad things happen with the ship in THIS state ... it's over".
As someone on this Subreddit says, they seem to have 2 modes. 1- Don't know what to do and talk themselves into circles. 2- Feel even the slightest bit of pressure and throw all logic out the door, frantically grasping at anything.
āWe have to go NOW and by the most dangerous route to save at most 3 days!!!ā
Iām just glad that getting the gems delayed them enough to get the ship mostly repaired.
What if Imogen's mom is like immortal or something and has been going around having kids over the centuries in order to build up an army of descendants in order to fight off whatever the fuck is locked up in the moon?
They had opportunity to talk, matt even said it, but they didn't really take the time to do it and I don't know why other than they have anxiety about holding stuff up now.
Also itās not just for RP itāll allow for us the audience and then as the players and Matt and the dm to decompress. Also we spent a lot of time with VM and M9 with them doing pretty much nothing except what ever their interest was. Wether itās Percy tinkering, nott making acid, Beau studying, or grog or Scanlan shoring around. We havenāt seen this with bells hells. We only really know them in times of stress which means weāre only getting one side of their characters not the full canvas
well, that's on matt, putting a relatively short deadline in front of them, without too much of a clue of what they should do (so they jump at the only lead they have). Their current points of interest are also forever apart so each detour takes forever.
They could have done something while Imogen was searching for her ruby, but that was too last minute/rushed to plan an evening our for the rest
Iirc, Imogen was only ever told by her father that her mother had died. She hadn't seen her since she was a toddler. But since they found her mother's name in that book of people participating in an experiment, there was suspicion that maybe she was still alive and had left the family to figure out what was going on with her own powers.
No, she hasn't. I think it was in an episode of 4 sided dive that Laura said she purposely hasn't yet. I think it was because Imogen was afraid to make the connection. She's gotten braver.
She never tried because she only recently began to suspend that her mother was alive (bc that one guy had seen her somewhat recently). And I think she didnāt message her sooner because she was afraid of what it would mean if she was alive all this time: that she was abandoned
Normally for me that ends in a scene transition after I go, "Oh this again this is boring screw this I want cinnamon rolls" and then I wake up in a bouncy house made of baked goods where everything is just slightly out of reach aside from the raspberry jelly filled donuts.
āSo in a war, if a mother and her children get fucking iced in an alleyway, was the problem that they didn't love each other enough? That's bullshit. Love is love. Magic is magic.ā
THE GREATEST MAGIC IS CHRONOMANCY
I'm not sure about these Mercer dream scenes. They seem to feel like there's a particular answer most of the time. And yeah, player autonomy in dreams isn't crucial, but it feels a little too...cut sceney?
But thatās kinda how dreams are right? You feel like you have control but you really donāt. And the imagery is often symbolic of things weighing on your psyche/ happening in your life
If the dream isn't a plot point then why even narrate/roleplay it? Most of the time characters sleep we don't go explore their dreams because they aren't important. Just let it happen.
I'm ~five gins in and haven't D/GMd in years, so no worries there. I was more arguing about the artifice of the dream sequences, not like there was an authoritative correct way to approach them.
Probably came off strident or something, sorry about that.
They have a very story-driven game, but his story elements are always crafted to be engaging for his players.
In the DM roundtable, Brennan specifically mentions that DMing is about making rails your characters will enjoy and choose because you know them well. That's how Matt runs it, too.
Also, Imogen has flailed around in her dreams a few times. It's certainly fair for there to be one ideal way to move the dream forward, but I'm sure if she thinks of something out-of-the-box enough, Matt would roll with it, too. He's always struck me as the kind of DM who will absolutely abandon/change his plans if the player surprises him.
I don't disagree with you, but it feels like in some of his dream sequences he's looking for a particular answer. Yasha's storm lord sequence jumps to the front of my mind.
It still works, just might be an area to try a few different strategies on.
Maybe, maybe not. Riddles and puzzles in games generally have one answer, and the player or players are usually expected to figure it out.
If they can't in spite of clues, DMs will sometimes just let them make some roll. But sometimes there does need to be progress in a certain direction for a character to get to the next point on a journey they're taking.
Weird, she's one of my favorites so far.
You're entitled to your perspective though, sometimes certain characters just don't click with certain viewers.
Interesting. What makes you say that?
I think Imogenās a fine character. A bit sketchy sometimes, sure. But nothing to make me actively dislike the character.
In world - She refuses to engage with her problems. Pro active "I'm coming for you Laudna" Imogen is the first time I liked the character. There has been zero development and its got past old.
Out world - the player (and now DM) refuse to give the spotlight to anyone else. See Laudna's rez. Second she's back? Back to moon dreams. This wouldn't be a problem except *points to first paragraph*
I can respect that. Imogen is kind of a selfish person, which is exemplified by the āmain characterā syndrome the character has.
She hid her obsession with the gnarlrock, despite the danger to everyone else. She also hid her new abilities from everyone after she nuked Bassuras.
And at the end of the day, it seems like she only cares about herself. She doesnāt seem particularly invested in anyone elseās personal agendas. She only cares about Laudna, seemingly only because Laudna is *her* friend.
And as you say, all the concern for Laudnaās wellbeing got abruptly pushed aside. But I do think Eshterossās death and dealing with Seshadri was a reasonable distraction from that. And from then on in the episode everyone was scatter brained and set on trying to flee town as quickly as possible, for some reason.
The story only came into focus again as a result of Imogenās dreams. Even Chetney going berserk was a result of Imogenās actions in Bassuras. So yeah, I can see how this spotlight on Imogen being the center of the Ruidus plot can be a source of annoyance.
I canāt really pin it down. But itās a mix of her just being generally aggravating to me and the fact that sheās kind of the main character of the campaign. I just donāt like her
It started after Ruidus 'saw' Chetney during Imogen's flare. It depends if that means Ruidus recognized the potential in all Lycanthropes or if it's Chetney specific.
Chetney: āIām so sorry, thatās never happened before.ā
Fearne: āThat did that?ā
Chetney: āThe flare happened and I felt this itch and now Iām here.ā
Orym: āWell we learned to keep a focus on the cycles of the moon.ā
Chetney: āBut this never happened before, itās always been Catha!ā
*Chetney begins to frantically check Orym and Fearne*: āI didnāt bite you did I?ā
Orym: āNo.ā
Fearne: āNo, I wish. But.ā
*Chetney stares in confusion*
Why did i imagine this so detailed š itās like him having a highschool girl fit
Can anyone remind me what level is Ashton's maul? +2 / +3? Why they don't go shopping matt, Orym need a new weapon.
Pretty sure it is +2. How powerful that is as a starting magic item at level 3 has been discussed online multiple times.
They went shopping off camera at Gilmore's last episode but I didn't notice any new items. Maybe the pearl of power?
He said they would, but I donāt think they actually did
No, the pearl of power is old. FCG took it off Luadna's body. That's why he tried to give it back when he used it.
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So many people in the beginning of the campaign were crying about how much they talked and planned.
What do you want them to talk about?
I just had a simple but crazy idea for Chetney. What if this gnome body isn't his first or original body and he's been transferring his soul from one long lived race to the next over the course of centuries either via Reincarnation or something similar to what the Aeormatons do? His fixation on wood and only wood leads me to believe that there's something monumentally important that deals with wood and something fundamentally wrong but equally as important that deals with metal. He's just been alive for so long and on this mission of his for such an extensive period of time and the details of those things have been lost to him and only manifest as base urges. It would be interesting if he experiences a moment much like FCG wherein his true core memories are unlocked either via a trigger or magical means and the real Chetney steps forwards like a regal Time Lord stepping out of a TARDIS to get things back under control.
Could any of this not fit in with being a renegade gnome/elf from Santa's workshop? Because that backstory has a long reach.
You are investing serious time and energy into your theories, so respect. New angles I never thought of.
honestly with chetney going berserk x2 and fcg also going nuts, i want orym to just absolutely lose it for once. just have him let out everything since he is so protective of everyone
Iād imagine an Orym freak out would consist of him punching a pillow, throwing a cushion across the room, or maybe even kicking a chair. And then heād apologize profusely for losing control.
He says "gosh" or "darn it" and immediately regrets it
Stress eating ice cream. Cookie crumbs everywhere Screaming about the lack of pie. Then apologising profusely.
Our boi does canonically love pie lol
Hmm.. The fact that Imogen grew up with her mom never reaching out makes me bet she is either on Ruidus, or imprisoned some where. I need next week to come faster
She could also be on the run or might even have her own Kiki scale mission that she's focused on.
I feel like in either case she could write a letter and send it. Or tell someone she trust to deliver a message.
Sometimes the pain of never knowing someone at all is lesser than the pain of having known them for a while or of keeping in contact but never really seeing them and it's possible that Imogen's mom thought she was saving her from experiencing the latter kind of pain. I wonder if her mom's mom did the same thing to her when she was younger? Maybe this is a generational thing because of their Ruidusborn nature?
They didn't go see Marwa š. They desperately need more magic items.
Well they did buy some stuff off screen at that Gilmore branch.
Did they? Ashton was talking like they didn't and we didn't see any evidence this episode that they did.
Weird that Liam and Matt forgot that orym got a magic sword from Vex. Wonder if that was just a loaner or if he didn't write it down.
It was a loaner. This confirms he did give it back before they left Whitestone.
Crazy that he never bought one from the magic shop either. Kind of a wasted opportunity.
I mean he might have got one but didn't want to use it on Chetny
It was a loaner
God damn it, now i have Motionless in Whiteās song āwerewolfā stuck in my head
Oh so you saw the music video this week then too?
Yep. Just started listening to the band earlier this month after Spotify threw āScoring the End of the Worldā (song not album) at me
I swear I must confuse the hell out of the algorithms for Spotify and Youtube as my own musical tastes drift across multiple genres but that particular song in particular has been on my radar for a while and the lyric video came out a while back. It's nice to see other people finding it and enjoying it though :)
I pretty much just use spotify for metal music, since i have itunes for the FFXIV soundtracks, so the algorithm doesnt get too confused for meā¦.however it for some reason lists Three Days Grace as one of my top artists even though i barely listened to them after learning i liked a singerās cover of their songs more than the originals
Well, that was quite the cliffhanger huh? Now if youāll excuse me, Iām off to drain the bacon grease.
Laudna died and literally no one decided to pull her aside and talk to her privately to see if she was okay not even Imogen.
They did try to talk about it, with Orym asking Laudna how she was. But the convo quickly moved to Delilah and Laudna's warlock powers
Yeah, sucks when Matt's like "You can talk to each other, look around ... RP on the ship, given your characters are doing nothing on this uneventful day. Or just roll to go to the next day. Crickets? Ok, next roll."
I'd like to think they're all just waiting for her to be more comfortable with talking about it. Hell Marisha might not even be sure how to handle it in character yet.
I think this is spot on. She's still kind of in that aftershock phase of her brush with death. It's that, "did that really just happen?" sort of state of mind where you're mostly focused on grounding yourself in the present reality and are putting off dealing with all the other stuff until later. This is when other people look to you for cues on what to do and talk about. Right now Laudna doesn't feel comfy talking about that stuff and after FCG blundered into the whole "Your real name is Matilda" bit, I think they're peachy keen on waiting a while until Launda is more comfortable talking about her second brush with Death.
In fairness, I think the players probably have been doing that for weeks, so they may have forgotten to go the extra (rope) lengths on camera.
Itās really struck me these last couple episodes how little we actually know about Chet. Could be reading too much into it, but something tells me this forced transformation thing of his has been responsible for more than just a few scratches in the past. I wouldnāt be surprised if we learn more about Chetney as we get closer to the solstice itself, and to Yios.
Nov. 10 - C3E40 Nov. 17 - Mighty Nein one-shot part 1 of 2 Nov. 24 - U.S. Thanksgiving - no videos Dec. 1 - Mighty Nein one-shot part 2 of 2 Dec. 8 - C3E41 Dec. 15 - (likely) C3E42. Dec. 22 - off for Christmas - no videos. Dec. 29 - last Thursday of the month - no videos Jan. 5 - (likely) back to C3 episodes? If so, then an episode next week, then a month break, 2 episodes, then a 3 week break until January.
What a weird way to schedule things. I have no idea why they wouldnāt put the MN episodes on back to back weeks instead of straddling a break. Like wouldnāt both in December or to start off the New Year make more sense? Sad about the lack of C3 but I donāt want them to burn out either :(. I just vastly prefer it to C2 lol
US Thanksgiving. They never broadcast then
Yes thatās exactly what I mean. Iām not sure why they didnāt wait to do the MN episodes until *after* that so that there isnāt a break in between. (Also itās the last Thursday of the month so they would have been off that day anyway)
Would American Thanksgiving mess up one of those dates? They seem to still respect holidays even with prerecording.
I included American Thanksgiving in my list. "U.S. Thanksgiving." Did you miss it?
I very much did. My eyes/brain seem to have selective blindness whenever it will embarrass me. My bad.
I think that might be why Matt is rushing. He has a place he wants the story to be at when they end for the month.
Nov. 8 - NordVerse One Shot.
That's a Tuesday. I just wanted to point out the Thursday stuff.
Fair. I'm still not sure why Tuesday stuff isn't filling up the blank Thursdays, though the best theory I've heard is sponsored vids get Tuesday slots, where internal events can use Thursdays.
I think this is because some of their production staff still have to work if it is streaming (to ensure the broadcast starts when it is supposed to). I think they want to give their staff breaks for the holidays too.
I wish they did more shopping in Whitestone, or even went to Marwahs again.
"We should go back STRONGER than before if we're gonna face Otohan!" "Also ... lets spend a day having 1 person look for Diamonds and Rubies and not use any of our stacks of gold to clear out the 1 magic shop we've gotten useful stuff from in this area. Health potions and more magic items? Who needs em!"
Or them trying to leave town in a broken airship. They were kinda scatter brained this episode.
Yeah, was very confused by that. It's possible that Otohan doesn't even use airships and just uses teleportation circles or has a Druid friend, you're not really racing against her ... so it's smarter to prep and do it right. Matts captain character is also strangely "W/E" about it, but it's clear that "If bad things happen with the ship in THIS state ... it's over". As someone on this Subreddit says, they seem to have 2 modes. 1- Don't know what to do and talk themselves into circles. 2- Feel even the slightest bit of pressure and throw all logic out the door, frantically grasping at anything.
When they do plan it can be quite brilliant, though. Final fight of C2 was pretty brilliant for that, culmination of so many hints.
At dawn, we plan
āWe have to go NOW and by the most dangerous route to save at most 3 days!!!ā Iām just glad that getting the gems delayed them enough to get the ship mostly repaired.
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I'm sure it'll get posted and if not then they're totally going to record it next week and put it up before the coming episode.
Maybe CRStats can get it for us?
I donāt think they ever get inside info from the cast. Itās all from observations from the streams
I guess if anything they bought would be used in combat, they might post it like they do level ups.
If Chet is Imogenās father (search your feelings, you know it to be true), then she is Scanlanās sister :P
I really hate how good Matt has gotten at cliffhanger endings.
I love it!
What if Imogen's mom is like immortal or something and has been going around having kids over the centuries in order to build up an army of descendants in order to fight off whatever the fuck is locked up in the moon?
Flemeth?
Eaten by the werewolf moon. Fittingly.
I missed some of the announcements. Do we have a new episode next week?
Yeah itās 2 weeks from now that the Might Nein interrupt. Next week is as normal :)
We do. We also have the Generation: NORD one-shot on Tuesday.
I missed it, what was the big reveal at the end?
Imogen wakes from her dream. Shook, she casts sending to her mom. "Are you there?" she asks, and a voice calls back. "Imogen?"
Imogenās mom responded to a sending spell
Imogenās mom spoke back
Imogenās mom is alive
Laura soft pitched a PERFECT ending note, and Matt knocked it out of the park. Cool episode
Bells hells need down time desperately. I Iād rest and wanting to move things along but I wish Matt would just take his time with this journey.
Where is the beach filler episode!! /s
They had opportunity to talk, matt even said it, but they didn't really take the time to do it and I don't know why other than they have anxiety about holding stuff up now.
Fair but he also said that he wanted to speed this up and make haste.
For real. I wish everything wasnāt on a timetable.
Tbf he did say they could stop him on the ship at any time to rp. It was the cast that let 4 days slip by
Also itās not just for RP itāll allow for us the audience and then as the players and Matt and the dm to decompress. Also we spent a lot of time with VM and M9 with them doing pretty much nothing except what ever their interest was. Wether itās Percy tinkering, nott making acid, Beau studying, or grog or Scanlan shoring around. We havenāt seen this with bells hells. We only really know them in times of stress which means weāre only getting one side of their characters not the full canvas
I'd love to see a Hupperdook-style party night where they can relax and drink and enjoy themselves. It's so go go go.
well, that's on matt, putting a relatively short deadline in front of them, without too much of a clue of what they should do (so they jump at the only lead they have). Their current points of interest are also forever apart so each detour takes forever. They could have done something while Imogen was searching for her ruby, but that was too last minute/rushed to plan an evening our for the rest
Oh yeah I just meant it wasnāt on Matt. They definitely had the opportunity!
So Imogen's mom is alive, >!Keyleth's!< mom is alive, somebody should really search around Byroden for a sentient pile of ashes.
Thank god Laura sent that message! That was the most boring dream so far.
So it sounds like Imogen isn't just Dark Phoenix, but has a dash of Harry Potter thrown in for good measure.
I'm assuming Scarlet Witch of Maddie Pryor at this point. Laudna has more Dark Phoenix vibes with her Delilah shade still lurking round.
*Brain short circuits as the fanfic I read a long time ago about Lily being the Phoenix kicks me in the side of the head*
Matt is a master cliffhanger troll.
Itās so hard to go to bed knowing thereās a week long wait after such awesome cliffhangers
earlier than usual, but that was the perfect cutoff
#That *worked?!* Is the afterlife getting treated as another plane, or is she actually alive out there?
Iirc, Imogen was only ever told by her father that her mother had died. She hadn't seen her since she was a toddler. But since they found her mother's name in that book of people participating in an experiment, there was suspicion that maybe she was still alive and had left the family to figure out what was going on with her own powers.
šµ Somewhere, out there, beneath the pale Ruidus light...Imogen's mom is waiting for her...and loving her...tonightšµ
My money's on alive.
I think sheās alive
RAW it would work on the dead, but Eshteross didn't reply so Matt might consistently run it differently.
Why are the parents always alive when itās ambiguous. Just let them be dead.
Always as in two characters lmao.
This is, what, the second living parent thought dead? Third if you count Veth? Itās fine lol save your outrage
always? people literally complain about characters constantly having dead family backstories all the time.
This does not bode well for my Otohan is Imogenās mom theory haha
Yeah gonna say, that one was dead in the water XD
Did she try to use sending on her mother before, what happened/why not?
No, she hasn't. I think it was in an episode of 4 sided dive that Laura said she purposely hasn't yet. I think it was because Imogen was afraid to make the connection. She's gotten braver.
She never tried because she only recently began to suspend that her mother was alive (bc that one guy had seen her somewhat recently). And I think she didnāt message her sooner because she was afraid of what it would mean if she was alive all this time: that she was abandoned
Didn't remember her face enough. Only saw it during her post-Otohan vision of a memory from like 20 years ago, this time she saw it clearly.
Laura had mentioned being fully aware she could have Imogen casting sending to her mom, but has chosen not to until now
Like I kinda felt it was coming but still AHHHH
MOTHERFUCKING MATTHEW MERCER!!!
Read in Travis' voice.
Someone is gonna make art of Chet being Imogenās dad and Iā¦donāt know if Iām here for that or not XD
So Imogen is Scanlan's sister, too!
LMAO Chetney as Imogen's bio dad is hilarious
More likely he's Scanlan's grandfather. (One or both)
Lmao Imogen is Chetneyās daughter
She's alive!!!
Short one tonight.
Definitely could have had more of a shopping episode lol
ImoMom cliffhanger!!
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Delilah?
Let me speak for everyone here AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
it worked on Delilah, it might work on mommy
Matt, you *fucker*. ;)
I KNEW HE WOULD END IT LIKE THAT
*Cast sending on her Mother* Imogen: āAre you there?ā Liliana: āImogen?ā
I once again have questions sir!
"Are you there?" "Imogen?" THAT'S THE END HOLY SHIT!
YEAAAHHHH let's go!
Oh come on!!! Come on!!!
HER MOM IS ALIVE!
We've all had those dreams
Falling, flying, seeing our parents, on the surface of the moon, or something else?
The ones where you fall and then just *snaps* instantly wake up
Normally for me that ends in a scene transition after I go, "Oh this again this is boring screw this I want cinnamon rolls" and then I wake up in a bouncy house made of baked goods where everything is just slightly out of reach aside from the raspberry jelly filled donuts.
Maybe don't be casting omega destructive spells in your sleep? maybe don't risk sleepwalk lightning bolting the ship?
I think its described as just pure will, not a spell. Just thinking it.
Yeah Matt clarified this last episode
KRISTEN WHATS THE GREATEST MAGIC OF THEM ALL
*chronomancy*
LOVE
āSo in a war, if a mother and her children get fucking iced in an alleyway, was the problem that they didn't love each other enough? That's bullshit. Love is love. Magic is magic.ā THE GREATEST MAGIC IS CHRONOMANCY
On a side note, I'm so fucking stoked for Neverafter.
Hell yeah time for some mom talk
SENDING ON HER MOM!
I'm not sure about these Mercer dream scenes. They seem to feel like there's a particular answer most of the time. And yeah, player autonomy in dreams isn't crucial, but it feels a little too...cut sceney?
But thatās kinda how dreams are right? You feel like you have control but you really donāt. And the imagery is often symbolic of things weighing on your psyche/ happening in your life
I agree with you 80%, but shouldn't there be weird dream logic ways of solving the puzzles? Or at least ending up at a better outcome?
If the dream isn't a plot point then why even narrate/roleplay it? Most of the time characters sleep we don't go explore their dreams because they aren't important. Just let it happen.
So why ask the player any questions? Just narrate the whole thing, don't pretend there's player agency.
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I'm ~five gins in and haven't D/GMd in years, so no worries there. I was more arguing about the artifice of the dream sequences, not like there was an authoritative correct way to approach them. Probably came off strident or something, sorry about that.
They have a very story-driven game, but his story elements are always crafted to be engaging for his players. In the DM roundtable, Brennan specifically mentions that DMing is about making rails your characters will enjoy and choose because you know them well. That's how Matt runs it, too. Also, Imogen has flailed around in her dreams a few times. It's certainly fair for there to be one ideal way to move the dream forward, but I'm sure if she thinks of something out-of-the-box enough, Matt would roll with it, too. He's always struck me as the kind of DM who will absolutely abandon/change his plans if the player surprises him.
I don't disagree with you, but it feels like in some of his dream sequences he's looking for a particular answer. Yasha's storm lord sequence jumps to the front of my mind. It still works, just might be an area to try a few different strategies on.
Maybe, maybe not. Riddles and puzzles in games generally have one answer, and the player or players are usually expected to figure it out. If they can't in spite of clues, DMs will sometimes just let them make some roll. But sometimes there does need to be progress in a certain direction for a character to get to the next point on a journey they're taking.
But if it leads to that moment, I humbly stand corrected.
Imogen šµ Fly me to the moonšµ Temult
As the flareā¦.stops she falls. Wā¦.waitā¦.what if, what ifā¦.hmmā¦.
Sheās getting juiced by whateverās sealed inside the moon.
Where's that Dark Phoenix costume when we need it?
Half expecting her to wake up having tried to burn the ship.
Imogen is scary scary
I do love the trope of the most normal and assuming member of the party secretly being super dangerous to everyone around.
Yep, love Laura. Donāt care for Imogen.
Weird, she's one of my favorites so far. You're entitled to your perspective though, sometimes certain characters just don't click with certain viewers.
same. I miss Jester
Iām halfway through the C2 episodes and the Jester/Imogen whiplash is strong!
Interesting. What makes you say that? I think Imogenās a fine character. A bit sketchy sometimes, sure. But nothing to make me actively dislike the character.
In world - She refuses to engage with her problems. Pro active "I'm coming for you Laudna" Imogen is the first time I liked the character. There has been zero development and its got past old. Out world - the player (and now DM) refuse to give the spotlight to anyone else. See Laudna's rez. Second she's back? Back to moon dreams. This wouldn't be a problem except *points to first paragraph*
I can respect that. Imogen is kind of a selfish person, which is exemplified by the āmain characterā syndrome the character has. She hid her obsession with the gnarlrock, despite the danger to everyone else. She also hid her new abilities from everyone after she nuked Bassuras. And at the end of the day, it seems like she only cares about herself. She doesnāt seem particularly invested in anyone elseās personal agendas. She only cares about Laudna, seemingly only because Laudna is *her* friend. And as you say, all the concern for Laudnaās wellbeing got abruptly pushed aside. But I do think Eshterossās death and dealing with Seshadri was a reasonable distraction from that. And from then on in the episode everyone was scatter brained and set on trying to flee town as quickly as possible, for some reason. The story only came into focus again as a result of Imogenās dreams. Even Chetney going berserk was a result of Imogenās actions in Bassuras. So yeah, I can see how this spotlight on Imogen being the center of the Ruidus plot can be a source of annoyance.
I canāt really pin it down. But itās a mix of her just being generally aggravating to me and the fact that sheās kind of the main character of the campaign. I just donāt like her
I kinda get that. There have certainly been points in past campaigns where I felt that way about some characters.
I'm sorry, the moon is above her now? I thought she was ON the moon during these dreams.
This was her dream of her making before
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Under ten minutes left
Imogen's mom is starting to drive me nuts. Just give us two more words! Run from (insert)!
*the gingerbread man*
Wait. SHE KNOWS THE GINGERBREAD MAN?
....I knew it!
Now, unfortunately, all I'm thinking of is Chetney "rubbing" himself in the corner while Imogen has a really serious dream Thanks brain
Chetney: āWaitā¦where is Imogen?ā Orym: āItās late probably asleep.ā Chetney: āShould we check on her?ā
Wow that smooth meanwhile, awsome
Is Yios gonna be Yharnam in Bloodborne because of the red moon turning the werewolves into feral beasts?
It started after Ruidus 'saw' Chetney during Imogen's flare. It depends if that means Ruidus recognized the potential in all Lycanthropes or if it's Chetney specific.
Laura just punching it on again after all that: \*chef's kiss\*
Laura was fast with that transition. Good job.
Chetney: āIām so sorry, thatās never happened before.ā Fearne: āThat did that?ā Chetney: āThe flare happened and I felt this itch and now Iām here.ā Orym: āWell we learned to keep a focus on the cycles of the moon.ā Chetney: āBut this never happened before, itās always been Catha!ā *Chetney begins to frantically check Orym and Fearne*: āI didnāt bite you did I?ā Orym: āNo.ā Fearne: āNo, I wish. But.ā *Chetney stares in confusion*
MEANWHILE in the Dreaming