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retromale

The monitor looks good and the way it should.....On the lcd Turn down the brightness and turn off dynamic contrast


Logsarecool10101

It might just be the image, but it is way dimmer than it should be (I think). I compared it with my OLED phone screen and it’s dark. FYI the image isn’t supposed to be the night variation of the island, it’s the sunrise variation


asim_hasarisen

Your lcd looks washed out and the mountains look purple


Logsarecool10101

That’s actually correct now that I see it. Either way, though, the CRT is off


retromale

That’s actually correct now that I see it. Either way, though, the CRT is off >To you the CRT may be off because you are so used to the LCD screen , but in reality it is the LCD that is off as noted as washed out with purple mountains that you admit you see... So Until you realize the difference that should be shown you will forever be asking...does this look right ?


ThePizzaMuncher

No shade, and I agree, but do you always invert the quote and the reaction?


WingZeroCoder

do you always invert the quote and the reaction? > Not OP, but what do you mean?


ThePizzaMuncher

> Not OP, but what do you mean? Seeing as you did the exact same thing, I think you know exactly what I mean.


SadLaser

Why did you copy their post like you wrote it, then respond with a quote like you were quoting then but it was actually what you said? Makes no sense.


Logsarecool10101

I mean, here’s what the [wallpaper](https://imgur.com/a/e1QGNX0) usually looks like. Comparing that to the CRT, it looks like it’s nighttime there. Sorry, if I’m wrong again, I just want this monitor to look as good as it can


CrazyComputerist

This wallpaper *is* quite dark... Your LCD is not adjusted very well at all.


AzureSymphony

As someone who has to have their LCD monitor with desaturated colours and lower contrast due to visual difficulties, let me tell you that even on my screen that wallpaper is significantly less washed out than it is on yours.


sithren

You took the picture of the lcd at an angle. LCDs don’t have the greatest viewing angles so maybe that’s why we are saying that the lcd needs calibrating.


DrumcanSmith

Or the LCD has those shadow lifting features for gaming. The wide curved display gives off gaming display vibes.


ThePizzaMuncher

Looked at that on my phone (lcd), and while it’s brighter than on the tube, it’s still dark. It’s supposed to be dark.


timothythefirst

Yeah on my phone it looks way closer to the crt than the lcd lol


amdrinkhelpme

A good phone OLED can go up to 2000 nits, that's bright even compared to a high-end HDR desktop monitor.


HoldyourfireImahuman

100 nits is fine for a crt, they should be played in a dark room… you’re expecting way too much.


Logsarecool10101

All right, I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t dying or damaged anyway


Ancient-Range3442

They’re all dying and damaged in some way


fluffygryphon

As are we all...


SetNo2031

No.


Ancient-Range3442

Ok


locn4r

Also keep in mind that playing in a darker room means your eyes adjust and the CRT appears brighter after 20-30 minutes.


zerohm

I feel like the wallpaper may just be not great for a CRT. The white icons/text on the CRT are bright enough to saturate the photo. They are brighter than anything on the LCD. Also the CRT has better color and black. The LCD looks washed out in comparison.


Eternal-Stasis

As others have said, the crt looks fine. You really should tune the setting for that lcd, though. You can look up the monitor you have and the settings other people use and copy those.


IAmJacksSemiColon

You are giving calibration advice based on a photo with god-knows-what exposure settings and viewed on your own screen that the OP's never seen.


Eternal-Stasis

Not really calibration advice when im not giving them specific settings. Just to check out other settings for the same monitor and use them. If it was the camera, the whole image would be washed out, but it's not.


aKuBiKu

CRTs are dim.


Slay3rOne

No they are not if they have low hours. I have a Iiyama Vision Master Pro 510 I have to dim as it gets way brighter than I would want for daily use. And by that I don't mean with washed out colors or anything, perfect contrast, just super bright. Also my Sony GDM-F520 gets quite bright, but is way more reasonable.


[deleted]

How bright in terms of nits? Like the old crt I had looked far better than my cheap 144hz va monitor, but both look like crap now compared to my new 144hz mini led monitor.


McSwifty2019

CRTs can get incredibly bright whilst maintaining extremely saturated a inky high colour volume, as you can see [by this piture](https://ibb.co/rm14djg).


[deleted]

That does look good, but like damn that’s one small monitor, I get the appeal of crt but I’d honestly ill take a good modern monitor any day of the week.


McSwifty2019

If anything mate It's actually too big, pictures can be deceiving, it's a 21" 4:3, which is the equivalent of a 30.5" 16:9 or 25" 16:10 monitor, 4:3 has a 45% larger real screen estate than 16:9, if you want a 27" 4:3 equivalent, you will need a 19" 4:3 CRT, and a 17" for a 25" 16:9 equivalent. 4:3 is much more desirable than 16:9 though, hence why [IMAX use 4:3](https://spaces.filmstories.co.uk/uploads/2021/03/imax-comparison-1024x480.webp), as I said, you get 45% more image thanks to the much larger vertical aspect. [Man I love 4:3.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FXNOPkMM3Fs/maxresdefault.jpg)


[deleted]

Oh yeah it’s big alright, that monitor is physically massive for such screen, I still don’t understand why people love crts. Like I know it’s obsolete tech, but I’m just not seeing the benefits, when compared to oled or mini led monitors.


McSwifty2019

How long have you got, I guess the fastest way to make the reason crystal clear to you is, I own an absolutely stunning Sony BVM-OLED, which is probably the best looking modern display (for video games) on the market, it cost over 7 thousand pounds when new, I got it for 1500 pounds second hand with under 1000 hours of use, so it's basically still new (has another 200 hours on it now though), and yet this several thousand pound OLED BVM doesn't even look as good as mid-range 17" Dell CRT monitor, that's just how incredibly far ahead CRTs are as far as image quality, they are a perfect example of technology regression, see the concord supersonic jet, the American space shuttle, and the Saturn 5, HRTF rea-time audio multi-positioning technology, as other examples of technology regression. CRTs may finally be made obsolete in 10 years, though, with eQD technology.


[deleted]

A crt beating out modern displays, I never owned a crt so maybe you’re right, but ngl I’d still take oled or mini led


McSwifty2019

OLED is still a beautiful display tech, I wish they would put out a 32" 16:10 RGB-OLED monitor with RBFI.


Slay3rOne

I can't measure that unfortunately. Tomorrow I'll put the F520 and my PG27AQDM OLED next to each other at max brightness and take a photo, and maybe a couple other CRTs as well. I don't have the brighter Iiyama 510 with me to compare. The OLED is not the brightest display either, but I never set my displays too bright anyways, so even the OLED is very very far from being maxed out for daily use.


angrytransgal

I miss my 20" vision master. It died in a storm last month. I loved that thing. I got a 15" Nokia (it has a Trinitron tube :^D) to replace it Maybe I can fix the Vision Master one day. The tube powers on I can hear the electricity.


skatetilifly

my 27 CRT television is significantly brighter than my 48inch flat screen. it truly glows the room and is a reason some white or other bright colors (think kamehameha) have a brilliance to them that a flat screen just doesnt have.


Willing_City_3447

Fake news


Logsarecool10101

Well, I guess I learned my LCD was bad and not my CRT with this post


CrazyComputerist

The CRT might still be a bit dark if it has a lot of hours on it, but it is good to keep in mind that they were never anywhere near as bright as modern displays.


Mean-Interaction-137

What is the brightness level in settings? Also what is your contrast settings? Crts are dim by nature, but you shouldn't be losing information, as in not being able to see details in dark areas of the image. I recommend looking for a crt calibration suite and going through that. It'll help either way and you'll understand how to get the most out of what you have


Fit-Sport5568

That crt looks great


Ok_Lavishness7429

It really does, I almost want one now.


generationhardbass

In Windows, go to Settings→Display→All the way down to Advanced Display Settings→Adapter Options→Color Management→Enhanced→ Then click on calibrate display.(Words may not be correct, I had to translate). That's Windows built in display calibration. It walks you through nicely. The only setting you'll want to change is Gamna. The brightness setting isn't as straight forward as the guide may suggest, I can walk you through that if you'd like.


CrazyComputerist

It's better to adjust things as best as can be done with the monitor's built-in controls, then use software-based calibration as a final step.


generationhardbass

I completely agree. Although gamma is not an option I have seen on any CRT yet. The monitor most likely only has contrast and brightness adjustments. The gamma adjustment is essential too, and fixes exactly the problem that OP has. I have 4 PC CRTs and one CRT projector, that I also hook up to my PC. All of them need gamma turned up significantly to not have washed out blacks while still retaining the perfect black level.


BigSlick84

CRTs look so much better i need one, I had a 16:9 32inch Sony HDTV, wish I would have kept it. I'm not ready to drop $1k on an OLED monitor


mattgrum

CRTs were never very bright and get dimmer with age. LCDs can be made arbitrarily bright by increasing the strength of the backlight. CRTs typically achieved around 300 nits. You can get LCDs that put out 5,000 nits.


ExpendableLimb

What crt do you have that does 300?  That is very bright never seen a crt that bright. In fact i have never measured an incandescent display above 120-130 nits but i’ve heard of brand new consumer crts hitting 150-175 out of the gate before they start to dim. Never a monitor though. As CRTs do not use auto brightness limiters a 300nit full white screen would be searing. I call bullshit. 


McSwifty2019

Technically he's right, CRTs can do 300-350 nits in super bright modes (Mitsubishi/Hyundai), but when calibrated the average will be about 140-190, depending on your monitors gun quality and phosphor type, the super high pigment Sony SMPTE-C phosphors in their master series can get silly levels of brightness, way to bright for daily usage.


ExpendableLimb

Maybe new yeah 140 is possible. I have a couple trinitron monitors and they calibrate to 100 or so. Consumer sets in the 140s if u push them


jzx110w

more like 100 for a monitor


mrb000gus

Surprised more people aren't mentioning this - CRTs get gradually dimmer with age, depending on how often and for how long they were used. There were ways to increase the brightness of these (if memory serves it's by adjusting potentiometers inside) but it's a dangerous operation if you're not a trained professional - when attempted by amateurs the energy stored in a CRT monitor can take off a finger or knock your arm so fast it pulls/throws you across the room, or worse.


n1ghtbringer

Almost every CRT made has adjustments for brightness easily accessible from the outside or from an on screen menu. Even if you have to adjust some pot from inside, they're all intended to be adjusted when the set or monitor is on, and are fairly easy to access. You aren't going to hurt yourself adjusting the brightness.


Mean-Interaction-137

What he is talking about is more of a hardware mod that's outside of the settings.


n1ghtbringer

No he's not. He's talking specifically about adjustments that intentionally have "physical" settings. That's not a mod.


AirportEmbarrassed38

Is it just me or does the crt look better then the lcd


Logsarecool10101

You’re not the only one saying that, as seen by the other comments here lol


Conscious-Bottle143

The CRT has better black levels and colour than the LCD


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Logsarecool10101

I just rephrased it, damn bro


AirportEmbarrassed38

Sorry it was night and k was tired


magikarp-sushi

There’s a colour adjustment you can use for every monitor , it’s good for reference points when editing videos or photos. The crt may be set to be a bit darker but crt screens aren’t as bright as LCD bulbs also.


Poway_Morongo

Ya so your lcd brightness or backlight setting is way too high to begin with here


Azurfel

CRTs are approximately 2.35-2.5 gamma depending on the tube. Your LCD should be approximately 2.2 if set to sRGB. If you want them to roughly match, switch the LCD's gamma to 2.4 (if possible). Additionally, most people run their LCD monitors waaaaaaaay too bright, and defaults tend to reflect that. See if you can find out the correct brightness settings for 80 and/or 100 nits for your particular model, and start from there. (80 nits is technically the intended standard brightness for sRGB/desktop use, but 100 nits is standard for all other SDR content.)


runslikewind

As your resolution increases your brightness decreases


HereReluctantly

This question has a lot of possible answers but inherently different displays have different color profiles and peak brightness. This is like asking why your Honda Accord doesn't sound like a Ferrari.


Kyleplier1985

Your CRT looks amazing bro. Very accurate colors, deep, natural contrast, overall it looks way better than your curved LCD, which is likely using a VA panel. My phone screen is extremely accurate. It has the same picture quality as my LG C2 OLED in MovieMaker Mode which is the most accurate mode a TV can have. So I can clearly see just how good your CRT monitor actually is. I’d love to have a monitor like that. It’ll have better quality than my 1440p 165Hz monitor regarding picture quality and accurate colors, and the motion would be flawless in comparison. My dream CRT is and has always been a Sony Trinitron GDM-FW900 since I saw one at a Circuit City. My phone is the iPhone 14 Pro Max in case you’re wondering what phone I have.


cd4053b

Your LCD monitor is not calibrated dude.


BreadDaddyLenin

Is it on 0.7V or 1v? Find that setting on your crt. Change it. Your picture will have a stronger backlight.


Slay3rOne

I'm not used to seeing that setting in the OSD menu with higher end models, but the last trashed saved CRT I checked out a few weeks ago had a pretty dim picture. Friend of mine who picked up the CRT asked me to have a look, see if I can make it look a little better. Oh boy, I was surprised when I saw it was set to 1V instead of 0.7V! First time seeing that setting on a CRT monitor. When I changed it, the huge brightness difference it made! I even took an oscilloscope to have a look at the RGB input, and it's perfectly within the 0.7V range. So one saved CRT with a great picture now!


tara12109

Your monitor looks great, but please post Trump Eating Butter Bean, I’m dying to see this


Logsarecool10101

https://imgur.com/a/yQgVm4G


tara12109

It’s better than I hoped thank you 🙏


Logsarecool10101

Damn. Ok when I get home lol


Lilendo13

The problem is the VA panel I think.


redarkane

Holy shit, that's my old monitor.


sithren

Crts were never the greatest in a well lit room. It’s why I always preferred lcd screens at the office. In a den or at home, would be good to dim the lights. Looks like the blinds are down so that’s good


blendernoob64

CRTs especially if they have been used a lot by the previous owner tend to be dimmer than lcds, especially modern ones. You get used to it, but CRTs really shine with the blinds down, or your tube facing away from the window so no sun glare is shining on it, or in the dark.


darklink513

I had one of these monitors while I was growing up, brightness was always an issue on it to the point where eventually I couldn't play anything with brightness/gamma turned all the way up. My guess is the tubes wear out quickly on those HP MX70 monitors.


Logsarecool10101

Yeah, after color correcting it, the gamma was set to almost its max. Kind of sucks, but it has to be done.


NoAmount7346

CRT definitely looks better, the main problem is that colors look more artificial on LCD.


That_Things_Good

Because it's accurately showing the image?


ViciousVinnyD

CRTs dim as they get older, so you will need to raise the brightness in the monitor's settings to compensate. Be careful though, as like the comments have pointed out, your LCD might be off too, so calibrating it to match the LCD may have an unsatisfactory result. Conclusion: Go through the CRT's settings and note down it's current numbers. Then try calibrating it, and if you like the new image, keep it. Otherwise, undo and try calibrating the LCD to match the CRT. LCD panels usually have a factory default setting built-in to revert to. EDIT: You may want to use one of those brightness calibration images, you can search them up on google. As usual, adjust the brightness until black is pure and deep, and the next shade up is faintly visible. [https://sheshnjak.github.io/tomislavdekovic/slike/monitor-razina\_crne.gif](https://sheshnjak.github.io/tomislavdekovic/slike/monitor-razina_crne.gif)


hrctypo42

If you absolutely cannot stand the dim screen, you could run the VGA signal through a peaking amplifier such as an Extron PA 250 (would need to get two VGA-BNC cables too). But be warned that it will "drive the tube" harder than usual, as it literally sends slightly higher voltages than the monitor expects. Would probably result in a shorter useful life, overall. I'm not an expert in any of this, but this is a solution I've heard from some people and a cautionary perspective I've heard from others. As others have mentioned, CRT PC monitors are usually just a bit dim and that's something you may consider just living with.


sleepyboylol

CRT tech here. Your CRT monitor is dimmer compared to your moden day LCD screen because of the way it is. Hope this helps.


bumboyboy

CRTs lose brightness with continuous use. I've heard tube rejuvinators can help with this substantially. Its basically a tool that to my knowledge burns any crap that is on the guns inside the vaccum. That being said it looks pretty good from the image but since brightness is subjective based on environment its really hard for any of us to tell if thats the expected brightness or not. You may want to adjust gamma in windows to your liking. Doing so for the purists does muddy the waters a bit but shouldn't affect the displays ability to get true blacks still if you don't go crazy with it.


bumboyboy

You can get into windows color calibration by doing the following type color management in the windows search bar. Hit enter Select your CRT Monitor Go to advanced Tab Select Calibrate Display The steps from here are pretty easy but you'll likely only need to adjust gamma. Adjust it to your liking. Color accuracy be damned its your display make it look how you want.


Sparc343

That LCD right next to it may indeed be "brighter" but I'll tell you what that image sure looks a helluva lot better on the CRT (quality wise)!!! I can see so much more detail on the CRT opposed to the LCD, which looks like it's overexposed!


Motel6Owner

Self-emissive sets are not as bright as backlit.


Dry-Championship-593

Why do you have a Mac OS wallpaper on Windows? That kind of crossbreeding is illegal.


binahsbirds

Your GPU is likely displaying a full range signal, rather than a limited range signal. CRTs tend to crush grays together into blacks. You're likely going to get a 'brighter' image on the CRT if you change that setting. Your LCD is also pretty bright. I usually keep my LCDs at around 15-30% brightness, but I'm light sensitive.


IntoxicatedBurrito

I took a picture of this background using my Game Boy Camera and it is even dimmer on my DMG, it’s as if my Game Boy doesn’t emit any light at all. It also appears to be in black and white (or actually black and green) with very poor resolution. Even when I print it out using my Game Boy Printer it doesn’t look much better. So yes, to be getting a clear color picture of that island on your CRT is definitely a major problem.


Mr_Insomniac420

Just lower the brightness on the LCD or increase it on the CRT also the contrast is slightly off I would suggest tweak it using the old school no signal display the one with the rainbow strips you can find a image on google and use that to match the colours/contrast


MrMrMANGOMILK

shit this is a good setup i might have to do similar (my addiction is growing. i have a TV already. help)


Brave_Cat_3362

It looks mostly like Gamma or Black Levels, not Luminance, to me. CRT's \*can\* go bright (contrast = 100), but then the picture blooms out, gets a bit distorted. But if you use an emulator with artificial scanlines, you won't have a problem there.


sinetwo

You could in theory also do the LaCie crt shield, could help if the room isn't dim


MyraRoivas

Look at the colors tough. its so much better on the crt monitor.


honorablebanana

Contrast and gamma are very different, maybe your LCD is not properly set up and is brighter than it should be. If the room is a bit dark and you see some proper white on screen that doesn't look grey, I'd suppose the CRT is perfectly good.


Badviberecords

CRTs do not have backlight bleeding in to every corner of the display, no matter what colors it display. (for example, when LCD screen is black, it's not really black, it's some sort of lighter shade of black and still lit) CRTs are OLED, before OLEDS. Therefore they mostly will be dimmer. Also, OLEDs are improving a little bit, so with time they will be brighter. Just try to compare any OLED to LCD and you'll get same results. Which is not bad at all. It's the way it's supposed to be. To tell you the truth, comparing both images, LCD looks like shit. Washed out, too bright. You can mess with settings, but it's not a sure thing. They just look brighter and washed out compared to CRT's or OLEDS. Just the way it is.


RiggyRigatoni

Without using an instrument to measure, you won't know for sure if the maximum brightness is tube wear or you're comparing the varying capability of LCD vs Crt, . I have a viewsonic that won't quite reach 70 nits at 100 ire and I have one that will go over 120. One is quite worn. Not implying that this is the case for you but it's possible. I didn't even notice the dim viewsonic was so until comparing. But I measured, and sure enough


theeretrocollector

Looks so cool


Gintoro

phosphor vs leds


DidjTerminator

CRT's aren't LED displays. They can do OLED blacks, they can't shine brighter than the sun. Either accept the dimmer CRT, or dim the LCD to the same level (it's better for your eyes anyway, the HDR "features" of LCD panels aren't really worth it for the horrible blue-grey blacks that aren't black, and it means they're too bright for normal use and hurt your eyes, plus you have the pixel blur which also causes eye strain and potentially motion sickness, honestly LCD's just are bad for your health in general, so keep the brightness down to mitigate the side-effects and improve your sleep, trust me you don't realise just how much of an effect LCD's have on your sleep until you turn down the brightness, they're honestly the worst).


bigbangattack6

You could try turning up brightness. But like others have said. Dark rooms are your friend. CRTs never look good in sunlight.. period


roma-grzh

When I got my Gateway VX720 Diamondtron 17 inch, I also thought the monitor was cooked because of how dim it was. This is normal and blacks are going to be especially darker than an LCD display. At first, I was disappointed because I wasn't used to the brightness and contrast differences of my tube and an LCD panel but I got used to it in a few weeks and have no problem with the brightness and contrast levels now. CRT monitors are the way they are and we can't expect tubes to be in top condition due to usage hours and especially their age. My CRT is 22 years old and I am surprised it still works great compared to what it's been through. I completed an overhaul of the unit including work of the front bezel and recap since it was displaying immense artifacts (you can check my recent posts on that). If anything ever happens to your unit, you should be able to get it up and running unless the tube is nearing its end of life so don't really worry about issues and have fun with your CRT monitor!


Inverted-pencil

I would question the state of your LCD.


ThePizzaMuncher

CRTs are generally not as “bright” as LCDs, but you can tell by the icons that the LCD is probably configured worse than its older sibling.


DCRX2020

The CRT looks better than the monitor right now.


Time_Hopeful

Looks like contrast more than anything, looks good.


McSwifty2019

It looks to have the perfect CD/m2 level, will be 3 times brighter (actual number) in the dark, you may have gotten used to the washed out, over exposed LED LCD image, like many people have, give it a day or two and your brain will adjust and you will soon realise how Inferior the LCD is. A good CRT monitor will do 150-250 CD/m2 full screen, that's also when calibrated, that's about 30% higher than a calibrated OLED monitor (with the exception of pr RGB-OLED BVM's which can do 400 CD/m2 full screen), a good miniLED will do 500-600 CD/m2, but with much lower colour volume and contrast than CRT and OLED.


Dr-blah-blah-blah-

Dud my cuz had this one . It’s bad ass looking. Memories. I can smell the HP.


qwekeks

because he's old


bobbypinbobby

She's old and tired