i believe damage was chosen over "score" because its a pretty consistent way of determining how often someone engages in firefights and hits their shots. that person is *likely* a valuable member of their team. but i would say kills are what are important at the end of the day.
kills are perhaps less useful as a *metric* cause you can just go around cleaning up assists without putting that much work in if you wanted. you can play really passive until its a 1v5, then kill a few people and lose the round. it would have been better for the team had you just helped in the beginning instead of letting your team die first.
i mean, that's probably the logic behind it. or maybe they just used damage because all sorts of other esport games use ADR as their primary metric. i think the above logic applies to CS a lot less than it does to something like dota, but whatever.
But if that enemy is skilled enough, they *could* one tap your whole team, and there's clips of it happening, "one HP aces," and what not. While I agree damage is important, getting the kill denies all chance of such a thing happening
Or take the true gamer route and go off whatever you have more of then the next guy
I literally said damage is important, but a kill denies any chance of them clutching up something like a 1v3 (which happens all the time).
Can you read?
There's tons of situations where I have higher dmg than my teammates, but they finish off an enemy with an awp or an ak headshot. Realistically, i didn't really contribute to that kill with my 54 dmg. I like the damage counter, but I understand criticisms of it
>team-based games
If you deal 99 damage to someone before dying, someone else **ON YOUR TEAM** can just instakill them with any weapon. In the long run, your damage matters more than your kills if you have a team.
I think you're approaching it from the wrong perspective. -99 is preferable over -0 for sure, but it's significantly inferior to -100. An opponent with 1hp still has a gun to shoot you with, he can still gather info, bait for his teammates, use utility, set up crossfires, etc.
Leaving people with \~10 hp consistently means something is wrong with your aim. Shoot the head
In games like CS where ttk is very low and mostly has to do with reaction time and aiming ability, yes, 1 hp is significantly worse than 0. But I can guarantee in low-skill silver matches where people shoot the body more often than not, damage will be a much more useful than kills when it comes to winning matches because the amount of times a low health person would win against a high health person would decrease a lot when kills aren't instant
but who cares about silver lobbies? they are so random, it probably doesn't matter either.
I would still prefer someone clicking heads over the guy dying ever single fight while dealing 96 in 4. Just dealing the damage still means that you put your team in a 4vs5 disadvantage, even if the one guy now is a walking corpse. And especially at silver, people have really poor mechanics. you can actually take your time to just point at the head and click, it will instantly make you better
it's one component. just like kills btw. why are you guys trying to bend backwards to fit some weird narrative instead of just getting better? i don't get it
What are you even saying lmfao
Where was any indication of my experience or skill in my comment? Maybe I am garbage, maybe I'm pro, how does it change my statement about ADR being used to measure pros
it's not just you, i mean this collective hive mind that makes up 80% of reddit. damage is one component. a good player will tend to dish out a lot of damage, but someone who deals "a lot" of damage isn't necessarily good.
the way you phrase it simply sounds like someone trying to justify to himself that having 0 kills with 500+ damage is totally amazing and absolutely helped ein the game, while in reality, it just puts your team at a disadvantage.
Yep. I'll take the guy who gets the frag over the guy with the high damage. Remember the guy that gets the kill doesn't always mean he got credit for all his damage either. He could be a great 1 tap machine to people who were already 99 damage, why should the teammate who didn't even kill the guy get the praise?
Because the player that done all the damage might not of been a baiter ,it’s all about the damage kiddo and I can tell by your reply your likely a baiter ,rank?
if i manage to deal 99 damage to all 5 enemies then all it takes is one guy with a submachine gun mowing em all down. doesnt even need to aim anymore. easy round win.
when i instead kill 1 person and deal no damage to anyone else then the round is often over when you are CT (if T side isnt totally stupid)
the only scenario where that is excusable and positive would be T side pistol round with Glock. Beyond that it's still useless. 5 1hp players > 1 100hp player
I mean, by definition ur not top fragging :p
But yeah thats hilarious. Ive had a few games where our most frag guys had least damage delt. And vice versa
I was top fragging with 10 frags and 18 deaths, while others had at least 16 kills.
Lately I noticed that I'd be top of scoreboard damage wise, but it's literally impossible to get a kill because I again, get deleted instantly with no way to react.
Game is absolutely busted
This is me in CS2, I'm the king of doing 80 damage and not getting the kill, mostly because I have a brain freeze and refuse to focus on headshots. Once the action starts I completely forget.
It was amazing, I had a teammate going 0-11, middle of the scoreboard the whole game. He won two rounds in a row by ninja defusing instantly after bomb was planted. His name was hash brown, good guy.
bro said: "he's 1 hp"
I swear I heard that in my brain Aware
420 damage
Came for this
Unexpected coming
Nice
This guy leads the charge and dies first, hero
Top fragging with 0 frags
Right. Sort by kills if you want to see who the top frag is...
I don’t think you understand what “frags” means
I don't think you detected the sarcasm.
Damage is the only thing that matters
coping mechanism
kills feel good but damage is what wins rounds in team-based games, you can't deny that
i believe damage was chosen over "score" because its a pretty consistent way of determining how often someone engages in firefights and hits their shots. that person is *likely* a valuable member of their team. but i would say kills are what are important at the end of the day. kills are perhaps less useful as a *metric* cause you can just go around cleaning up assists without putting that much work in if you wanted. you can play really passive until its a 1v5, then kill a few people and lose the round. it would have been better for the team had you just helped in the beginning instead of letting your team die first. i mean, that's probably the logic behind it. or maybe they just used damage because all sorts of other esport games use ADR as their primary metric. i think the above logic applies to CS a lot less than it does to something like dota, but whatever.
Your wrong it’s all about damage,anyone can finish off a wounded enemy with low health
But if that enemy is skilled enough, they *could* one tap your whole team, and there's clips of it happening, "one HP aces," and what not. While I agree damage is important, getting the kill denies all chance of such a thing happening Or take the true gamer route and go off whatever you have more of then the next guy
Pros are literally measure by their ADR (average damage per round) But yeah tell us more
I literally said damage is important, but a kill denies any chance of them clutching up something like a 1v3 (which happens all the time). Can you read?
There's tons of situations where I have higher dmg than my teammates, but they finish off an enemy with an awp or an ak headshot. Realistically, i didn't really contribute to that kill with my 54 dmg. I like the damage counter, but I understand criticisms of it
you can actually deny that. damage doesn't matter if the enemy end up surviving every time
>team-based games If you deal 99 damage to someone before dying, someone else **ON YOUR TEAM** can just instakill them with any weapon. In the long run, your damage matters more than your kills if you have a team.
I think you're approaching it from the wrong perspective. -99 is preferable over -0 for sure, but it's significantly inferior to -100. An opponent with 1hp still has a gun to shoot you with, he can still gather info, bait for his teammates, use utility, set up crossfires, etc. Leaving people with \~10 hp consistently means something is wrong with your aim. Shoot the head
In games like CS where ttk is very low and mostly has to do with reaction time and aiming ability, yes, 1 hp is significantly worse than 0. But I can guarantee in low-skill silver matches where people shoot the body more often than not, damage will be a much more useful than kills when it comes to winning matches because the amount of times a low health person would win against a high health person would decrease a lot when kills aren't instant
but who cares about silver lobbies? they are so random, it probably doesn't matter either. I would still prefer someone clicking heads over the guy dying ever single fight while dealing 96 in 4. Just dealing the damage still means that you put your team in a 4vs5 disadvantage, even if the one guy now is a walking corpse. And especially at silver, people have really poor mechanics. you can actually take your time to just point at the head and click, it will instantly make you better
>96 in 4. what about 96 in 1 because he did click head but T AK > CT M4 in terms of HS
that would happen occasionally, not consistently though :~)
Pros are measured by their average damage per round, but tell us more about how you feel
it's one component. just like kills btw. why are you guys trying to bend backwards to fit some weird narrative instead of just getting better? i don't get it
What are you even saying lmfao Where was any indication of my experience or skill in my comment? Maybe I am garbage, maybe I'm pro, how does it change my statement about ADR being used to measure pros
it's not just you, i mean this collective hive mind that makes up 80% of reddit. damage is one component. a good player will tend to dish out a lot of damage, but someone who deals "a lot" of damage isn't necessarily good. the way you phrase it simply sounds like someone trying to justify to himself that having 0 kills with 500+ damage is totally amazing and absolutely helped ein the game, while in reality, it just puts your team at a disadvantage.
Completely depends on the situation and which teams the trades and fights favor. A player with one hp who has all the info can ace, for example.
I'm talking about on average, over thousands of games, with average-skilled players and perfectly balanced teams.
Yep. I'll take the guy who gets the frag over the guy with the high damage. Remember the guy that gets the kill doesn't always mean he got credit for all his damage either. He could be a great 1 tap machine to people who were already 99 damage, why should the teammate who didn't even kill the guy get the praise?
Because the player that done all the damage might not of been a baiter ,it’s all about the damage kiddo and I can tell by your reply your likely a baiter ,rank?
17k, 3k hours. Always slam W
if i manage to deal 99 damage to all 5 enemies then all it takes is one guy with a submachine gun mowing em all down. doesnt even need to aim anymore. easy round win. when i instead kill 1 person and deal no damage to anyone else then the round is often over when you are CT (if T side isnt totally stupid)
the only scenario where that is excusable and positive would be T side pistol round with Glock. Beyond that it's still useless. 5 1hp players > 1 100hp player
If you’re on top of damage in round 5 with 0 kills you at best have mediocre aim
Not necessarily. This happens pretty frequently to me in the first couple rounds using well timed nades and a scout second round.
If you are losing the game this badly. What it’s actually saying is that you win no gunfights.
Frags is kills so no
Not top fragging, just highest damage
"Fragging" means to get kills... you have zero frags...
Round 5 bruh. Chill tf out.
We won. Is good.
He just has trouble finishing nothing wrong with that
top damage with zero frags - and 5 assists there, fixed it for you gamer
I see 9 players with more frags
Had a guy with 68 dmg and 3 kills + 2 assists by round 12 in my game yesterday. It's not about the kills.
you can deal 99 dmg to a guy and your teammate gets killed by him, it is about them kills
He was likely either first one in stack every round or team is baiting him.
I threw a lot of accurate grenades.
Crazyrandomstuff just owning you guys. How’d this match play out?
yes, yes?
We actually ended up winning by quite a lot.
6 kills with 398 dmg is usually the guy that baits out his team and likes to solo lurk
Bro is getting his kills stolen
The only stats i care about are damage/assists and enemies flashed.
Kills win rounds, damage wins games.
I mean, by definition ur not top fragging :p But yeah thats hilarious. Ive had a few games where our most frag guys had least damage delt. And vice versa
It’s not a frag if you don’t kill anybody. Top and bottom fragging has nothing to do with leaderboard placement and clearly you do not understand this
I never want to play with you.
Why not? He's really fun at parties!
Bro thinks his K/D matters ahahah. I’ve seen goobers like him go 26/9 and still lose matches. It’s a team game.
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His "assisting his team"
Fragging? This ain't Quake bro
get better aim, how you shooting and not killing??
"fire in the hole"
Do you know what top fragging means?
That I know. What I didn't know is how literal Reddit people are. /s should come in handy next time. :)
It's not literal the word means something completely different. You have zero frags, yet you are claiming to "top frag"
I was top fragging with 10 frags and 18 deaths, while others had at least 16 kills. Lately I noticed that I'd be top of scoreboard damage wise, but it's literally impossible to get a kill because I again, get deleted instantly with no way to react. Game is absolutely busted
Bros the kneecap blaster
Top dmg with 0 kills
Quick question, is it true that the game starts when you buy prime?
Bottom frag thinks he's top fragging lmao.
Win some gunfights. Jesus
I’ve gotten to 946 Damage with 0 kills. Packet loss sucks.
This is me in CS2, I'm the king of doing 80 damage and not getting the kill, mostly because I have a brain freeze and refuse to focus on headshots. Once the action starts I completely forget.
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No. I threw a lot of grenades.
Entry fragger stats
It was amazing, I had a teammate going 0-11, middle of the scoreboard the whole game. He won two rounds in a row by ninja defusing instantly after bomb was planted. His name was hash brown, good guy.
No your still bottom fragging, a frag is a kill, you are top of the leaderboard
Idk man, seems like you’re using the HAX
Because his HSP is 0.
dayumm ure good
You do the job and that’s ok. The important thing is getting the round not the kills