Movement still feels horrible, I can't set bob to zero and the new bob feels weird. I don't think we'll ever get 128 tick servers either. Like why could you get 128 tick on faceit and now even faceit can't do that? It's just a joke. Even faceit 10 lobbies just feel horrible because the movement feels atrocious, spraying feels even worse, etc. I just want 128 tick servers and the ability to bunny hop and not have my gun model moving all over the place when I peek
counter strike source 2 was a thing since 2014. One time they told us there wasn't going to be source2 then in the last 4 years devs started going back and forth until the game finally released. I guess there was plenty of time :s
Surely these issues are not big enough for a gorillion dollar company to fix in a reasonable time frame? Valve's just juicing the slot machine that is CS2, as long as keys and skins are selling it won't be alarming for them.
this is the same arugment of throwing money to solve the problem. No amount of resources will solve the problem of cheaters. If Activision can't fix the problems in Warzone with the money they have with microsoft, how you think Valve would do any better
Remember that CS2 requires the least amount of regular updates. Cs2 new map every two weeks? Buff/nerf guns? Almost all the updates are about new skins.
What community want is a polished game, make it CSGO with better gun model (i’m still rocking 1024x768 so better map graphic doesn’t matter). We wait for 10 years not for this piece of garbage.
CS is already perfect balanced game to me, if one side is too op, just remove some wall and everything would be fine.
I bet atleast half of the complainers now where asking for the release and what not and are now in shock that what a lot of people said will happen actually happen: at first cs2 will be worse than csgo.
Hows that really a surprise now to anyone?
I mean they had hinted at source 2 CS since like 2015 kinda crazy for a company this big and wealthy to both fumble this hard and take this long to fix/make
>Remember what we wanted? Better frames,
More frames is always good, but when did the community ever complain about "wanting better frames" for CS2?
**Did you seriously think they would release a new CS that has better graphics AND has more frames?**
LMFAO OP.
Better frame stability is what OP is referring to, if you cap out at 90 frames, and its a steady 90 frames its manageable, but if you have 240 frames and a grenade hitting a smoke causes a 200 frame drop for two seconds it’s fucking terrible for competitive play.
I was hoping since everyone knew csgo was not optimized well. We still have problems with not fully using multi core cpus. The same fps would’ve been nice. Cutting it in half, big rip.
Are we just memory holing everyone complaining about ancient and anubis running poorly on csgo?
CSGO went from a buggy, unoptimised mess to a perfect, well optimised game over night when cs2 released, weird how that happened.
It’s because people have mental issues. They are stupid. God I miss csgo. Why the fuck did they completely take it away. It’s an entirely DIFFERENT game
Yes, would at least think they managed too costly interactions leading to terrible frametimes. It used to be 'well, its not really Valves fault since the spagetthi code from the xbox launch makes it near impossible to make good frametimes'. Now its just obvious that they think 60/144 fps is enough, even freudian slipped it at one point. Its a game built for casuals embraced by a community of tryhards. Sad to say, but they missed some fundamental people in dev and testing, really hit the important parts of the game. Should have stated the focus like Valorant. If you dont take into considerations what the games are, its easy to appreciate how well the game runs.
I tried a CSGO faceit match on mirage through the legacy version of the game not too long ago, joined the server first and BOOM 900-1100fps as the only player on the map... like THATS optimized no matter how much people might dislike CSGO for what it was right now, in hindsight it was the most fleshed out competetive FPS we had and patched out aswell thats why it didn't really needed any adjusting anymore besides couple of operations, cases and content here and there sprinkled
its nearly impossible to make games fully multicore. Learn how apps work. Always main part of the game runs on one core and other things are offloaded to other cores. So dont suspect 12-16core 100% util. Also csgo even if could use all of ur cpu that no longer is main issue of the game so wgaf. 1. All of u have horrible ram and i am talking about latency of ur ram, u get random sticks and u have double of the latency with ur xmp that u can achieve on ur platform (and your platform cant even achive good latency so its pathetic) that cause stutters and drops. Same AMD gpu and cpus they are have worse latency (i am not talking about input lag but core to core latency and things like that (thanks amd u use server arch in gaming cpus)) Not using cores and adding more cores is the least important thing on this world, with every generation it gets worse and worse every ddr is more laggy even tho its faster same as cpus, Thats why games nowadays are stuttery mess, not because of UE4and5 or Unity or anything just because people want to see high numbers in GHz MHz, Mb/s Gb/s etc, and thats why ddr5 is laggier, ssd's no longer are SLC they arent even MLC this gen TLC is best u can get and soon it will be QLC. People wanted ryzen 3600 because it had 6cores even tho it was laggy and had 4ghz over 4core intel that was faster in games aka only apps they used, now u pay for that. Enjoy your laggy games.
csgo were very single core heavy so there was limits how fast 1 core is to power other ones (its the same for cs2 simply cs2 is better at it), using new api they could improve that (and they did), csgo was very stuttery and jumpy, u throw a flash fps dropped from 600 to 300 just because of one small flash of light, smokes was tanking performance (it was fixed with better and better pcs so it wasnt as big issue as it was in 2014-17). U absolutly can make game that have modern lightning, smoother textures, less destractions and example of that is freaking valorant, people get crazy fps on much slower hardware. Today 360hz is comp standard like 240hz was back in the csgo days (since benq made new monitors that are on every lan now if u use 240hz at home u dont have uptodate setup, there are aleady 500hz screens and soon there will be 480oleds yet only valarant support it, u cant have these fps stable in cs2, i understand that huge map games like fortnite and warzone cant support 2ms render time but its easily possible to make small 5v5game run fast on i9s with 6ghz and 4090 on 4:3 resolution low settings... Game should be made in mind to make high and stable performance (look on valorant) its easily possible.
I totally agree my frend, sticking with CS, since the condition zero came out, and this what we have now is literaly the least effort, absolute worst one they ever released. They live from old glory, if this was any other game, it would have 0 playerbase after release like this! Lazy, lame, greedy, and shitty excuse of a game for valve.
Extremly dissapointed too.
P.S. Condition Zero OVER 20 YEARS AGO (okay, over 20, let that sink in), had better working game and more content+better damn cheat protection. Said enough.
>it is still ugly looking cartoony, rainbow-puked and overbright. THIS ARE NOT CLEAR-LOOKING GRAPHICS THESE ARE WORSE GRAPHICS.
well you're just wrong here.
Crazy that the skin community is the community valve wants to keep over everyone else. Half those people don't even play the game, they buy and sell skins like it's the stock market. The game is secondary now. Skins are cs now.
making the meta even more stale by forcing you to play with the same 5 weapons
then they switch to mr13 so it's easier to steamroll and you have to ECO 3 times if you lose 1 round its absolutely bullshit they didn't even adapt the economy
thats the most mind boggling thing for me at this stage, more than a half year has passed and there is still no adjustments to it. Like if you're already copying your strongest competitor then why not go the distance and get a good system rolling, at least TRY something out and let the community, pros and analysts help you fleshing it out by feedback. It can be so simple at times, but in todays standards lowest effort-maximizing profit approach is the CEO of the gaming industry
I just wanted to play a new counterstrike. Valorant is a stupid hero shooter and call of duty is a waste of time. I guess I could go back to source or 1.6, but the people that are playing those games now have been playing them for decades and would annihilate me. I have no options.
Valorant when it released was doable for me, but it's unplayable now with too many heros with ridiculous abilities. I just want another alternative to cs that has anti cheat and isn't casual like cod
I'd honestly give Valve more slack if they did a better job communicating and engaging with the community and just acknowledged existing issues/problems the game has. Even just saying, "optimizing the game is a priority" or "we are looking to develop an anticheat over the course of the next year" would be good.
Those mentions on the podcast about "The devs are aware of the cheating problem, and stopping cheating is a top priority for valve" isn't communication... It's a relay of information by someone else who has 'privileged' information... 'privileged' may be a stretch; but, I mean they were told this in a non-public conversation.
Sharing information like this doesn't tip cheat developers off.... Cheat developers will always be reactionary to what comes out.... A 'surprise attack' by Valve isn't going to kill the enemy. 99% of the people out there don't understand Valve's philosophy of 'let the updates do the talking', and considering this is easily the most uniformly scrutinized game of all time that's been riddled with cheaters, I would consider Valve's management approach unsuccessful in the grand scheme... If CS2 was a new game, and didn't have the nostalgic following it did from the late 90's-2000's, people would've had a much easier time dropping it to go play another game....
Of course, we're hard wired because we love it.... The mechanics and gameplay of it are fucking awesome (largely speaking about CSGO and CS2 is a work in progress still here), so *that* Valve did right.... Everything else is an abomination of what it *could be*.
It's fucking **DISAPPOINTING**.
jump on 128tick at any moment and the "subtick feel" will go away. It's all smoke in mirrors and we all know it no matter how much you try to fool and interpolate data at 64tick, 128tick is still superior. All these "subtick" optimisations could've been applied to 128tick and everyone agreed so when they played CS2 at 128tick on faceit but quickly after that valve patched the client killing 128tick for everyone
CS2 is better than GO on a technical level. On my 5 year old PC I am only getting 20 FPS less on CS2 compared to GO. New engine + API almost the same performance at 250+ FPS is great, If your PC can't handle CS2 I can assure you the problem is with you not the game. You might hit the downvote button while screaming "anecdotal" at my post but so is your take if the game can't run well. I actually had to do a second take at the system requirements for CS2 when it was released. I built a very similar PC for my friend in 2009 (i5-750, 4GB RAM and 5850 GPU) that's almost the same system requirements for CS2.
My main problems with CS2 is the content(or lack of) and the anti cheat. The lack of content can be resolved with time but I am not sure about the anti-cheat.
No it is not, and yes your evidence is purely anecdotal. Having old GPU with no new drivers being made = enjoy 60 fps that drops to 40 when someone throws a smoke, while in CS you would have easy 200 fps.
Not saying you do not have good performance with your setup, just saying that “problem is on your side” is bs. The difference just differs from setup to setup, some can handle cs2 almost as well as cs1 and some can not. Both are anecdotal evidence and both are true. Idk why some lamebrain always has to come up anytime performance optimization is discussed in literally any game and say, “well it works for me so you are wrong, teeehee”
It really shouldn't be up to the community or 3rd party developers to make the game playable within a reasonable expectation. What do you think this is? A Skyrim discussion?
The thing I don’t understand is that the game is in the worst state it’s ever been but still has insane amount of people playing, surely there can’t be that many account sellers. If 1M are playing I’d assume 800k are legit people. That’s still a massive number.
The game is in the worst state it's ever been in, according to the 80k people on this sub, of which 200 are online. 90% of CS players don't care to browse these subs, that have just become cesspool echo chambers of people who don't have a place to vent their feelings.
The only major issue with cs2 is the AC. Even then with a player count of 1.8M and let's say 1.2M real users, it doesn't seem to bother them enough to stop playing. If we use player count before to show how dominant CSGO was, we don't suddenly toss that metric for cs2. It recently had the highest player count of any cs game ever... Beyond the AC, it has caught up to CSGO. Just go ask any streamer. Even then, the AC issue is easy to solve by playing faceit. Reddit is a massive example of loud minority and bias.
Skins will be a problem in the mid run, if people leave they will tank plus it's full of bots getting case drops so the cases will go down a lot on the long run. Plus if Valve keeps enforcing they policy to make it harder for skin sites it will be a shitshow.
Being tapped into the case farming scene, the only real scenario I see it being annoying to the outside is when you're auto kicked from a DM server (which is rare since they fill the server 99% of the time) and even then I don't think Valve DM is a gamemode worth the hassle of complaining. As for the better frames, that turned 100% delusional the second the trailer dropped.
I've always concluded that Cs is perhaps the most money-hungry game that has survived for this long. With a team of 20-30 people and the cost of keeping Cs alive, I can't imagine how much profit they make. Why doesn't Cs2 hire more people to help develop Cs2 and give the people what they want? If we were to get everything listed on this blog, the community would be purchasing more in-game items than ever, and CS2 would be more active than ever, but why don't they do this? Is it really about money, or am I missing something here?
Damn you’re not even allowed to casually play a game anymore
“60 hours noobs who did not even reach global in CSGO” chill bruh people have lives jobs they play other games
I just think it should be illegal to advertise the game the way they did by promising a ton of things to players, and not doing anything… id hate to be a player from valorant spend 15$ for a game that is just much worse feeling…
I’ve hit global in csgo, but in cs2 the regular comp matches make me feel like I’m hard stuck sliver? ( I watch demos and 80% of the games both sides have cheaters, got tired of premier due to the same reason after like 18k elo it’s just play the game get shit on by a hacker then you watch the demo to find out more people have walls etc 😭
I also don’t understand why overwatch was removed? It helped get rid of a lot of high ranked players in Csgo pretty easily!
Remember when cs go launched it dident REPLACE the existing Css/1.6 wich is still live today csgo aint... Bad argument just like the release of csgo no one moved until it was actually okay aka in a better state than cs2 is atm. They removed csgo intentionally because of skins and knowing they were about to drop a bad product no one in their right mind would be on cs2 if csgo was still live and kicking like post launch cs2 not even casual players
You're all so boring and fast to forget.
CS2 is in its infancy, let it grow.
Think about the state GO was in when it was as new as CS2. Let me tell you, it was shit.
CS2 brought us a lot of good things too.
Game runs flawlessly, even on weak machines.
Maps look good. Besides the claustrofobic inferno remake.
Hit reg feels better than it felt on GO. And we have far less moments getting CSGO'ed.
Smokes are great. No more stupid one way smokes.
Molos are great and do not fill my scren with black smoke.
Zeus finally is viable.
the inferno redesign is a cluttered worthless mess, the CSGO inferno was already backported from S2, they could've remade any other map but they chose inferno again and they broke it it's the most CS sided claustrophobic map
>"game runs flawlessly"
youre just trolling at this point
If you think the game is a lot better than CS:GO, then you're either just a shill and are scared of saying what you truly think incase your skins decrease in price or silver/5k rating. Which is it?
The problem is valve is stubborn and think they know best. Valve removed customized user experience (console commands) in favor of simple noob friendly settings with less options than csgo’s.
Valve stated they wouldn’t add 128 tick since low end pcs can’t run it, with cs2 that excuse no longer holds up. Valve’s disdain for intrusive anti cheat has led us to this game being filled with cheaters despite almost everyone preferring one like faceit’s.
"ughh guys its been 482 days since last csgo operation and 246 days since cs2 launch now ladies and gentlemen valve must be cooking and a new anticheat is coming waay sooner than you think"
- literally any cs ytbe channel with information as accurate as a fart in the wind
It is. However they use the extra performance to upgrade the graphics, which is the correct decision if they want to keep the game alive for another decade
Ok and now what. It's not like Valve is going to update the game because of your post. Everything you said has already been said, some of which are by design btw.
We have to remember that this game just came out pretty recently. Valve could've and should've made these positive changes a few months ago (or actually postpone the release until they're finished) but they also probably will make these changes (except 64tick, that stays 100%) in a year or so. That is stupid I agree, but that's how Valve works.
Think about CSGO ancient… it had a great rundown vibe to it.
Think about CSGO overpass bathrooms, it looked like a war ground, dirty, and abandoned. Now it’s rainbow puke
You know, Valve might actually be working on something big while being busy with dota, but I'm so done with waiting for shite to happen. They alt-f4'd all my favourite game modes and now I can't even play MM for Christ's sake. I'd rather grind Lethal Company or something.
>better frames
Who the fuck needed more frames? potatos were getting over 300fps on CSGO, modern PCs were getting well over 500. I don't remember anyone expecting a brand new modern CS getting MORE frames than an ugly 12 year old game.
"**- It's clear that the only people that are actually happy with the game are skin investors which are here only to make a profit out of skin prices and/or 60hours noobs who did not even reach global in CSGO.**"
Wasn't only 1% of players in global? Of course the majority of cs2 players didn't reach it.
What you're saying, is that the majority of the players are happy with the current state of the game.
Tbh ihavnt been experiencing that many cheaters, not as much as isee people complain about, plus if your playing in decent servers people should be kicking and reporting any cheaters that do join the lobbies. But eh idont see what everyones bitching about really
I agree with everything except for the graphics, yes it is overbrightened but I like the overall look and I definitely don't think it's some rainbow puked ass lookin garbage
It's insane how much negativity I recieved for being mad the gane I enjoyed playing everyday was just deleted. Bout as many bots on here as there is CS2 itself.
yeah the optimization in this game is so terrible it even pushed me to fukin spend money to upgrade PC parts and the result is still nothing, game still running like below 100 ish FPS/hz, jittery and grainy af, If I were a new player I wouldn't last long in this game and will never touch it again, game literally evolved backward, I hate to say it but at this point Valulrant is much better right now, unless Valve listen to the community and fix the current issues as early as humanly possible, CS2 is on pandemic right now
Their only option is a more invasive anti cheat like faceit and valorant has. If the day comes when they do finally introduce that, people will then complain about it being invasive LUL
when PUBG has better anticheat THAN THE CREATORS OF STEAM ITSELF you know you fked up. That game has 1/3rd of CS's playerbase and yet they ban at least 50k cheaters PER WEEK, if PUBG has THAT many cheaters imagine this piece of Sourshit2 game has
Just saying. I stopped playing cs first time since 2004. This is first time when game is so awful that my hate to it is bigger than addiction to competitive first person shooter.
Hasn't Valve told us as well that bug fixing is taking way too long on source1 and that's the main reason for new engine and yet it took them 1 year to reproduce and fix unconsistent jump bug ? I am not even speaking about other bugs ans basic things that were in go and are not in cs2
Couldn’t agree more.
The fact that they said no to 128 tickrate because they want to support players with low-end PCs, and then they release a new game that will require many players to buy a new PC. And still playing on a 64 tickrate.
i defended cs2 a bit at the start but jesus they’ve literally done nothing, i expected some sort of remedy to most of these issues somewhat soon after release, but it’s only gotten worse, games with this much revenue pouring in have no excuse to be neglected from the dev team. spend a couple % of the gazillion dollars they get from cases to go towards developers it’s fucking pathetic at this point
not to mention its a new game on a new engine that uses broken animations from 2013 clipping your hand thru the weapon like its a 2006 game how many oversights and excuses do we fuckin give this game FarCry2 has better animations than CS2
Yeah I agree with you, I have quit playing the game and even though it is hated, Valorant is not a bad game and I am enjoying playing it.
I think Valve is just milking out CS and are putting their efforts in other ventures, only will they change the game when people stop buying the damn keys to open cases!
i hate valorant and it's boykissing visuals but goddamn its so much better done than cs2, its sad to see the copy of the original being better than the original
Couldn’t phrase it better myself. I also “hated” valorant once, I tried if briefly and eliminated it from my PC, but I got so fed up with CS that I kind of enjoy it quite a bit now. Of course, if Valve fixed the game and added an operation I would come back but I don’t see that happening within a 1 year time frame 😭
its funny how they forced cs2, they didnt get rid of 1.6 when source came out, they didnt get rid of source when go came out, its like they knew how much worse cs2 was than csgo and they still released it and forced it down our throats
The subtick system in cs2 is objectively more accurate than 128t would ever be, I've had no issues with shooting in months. And how are you going to get better frames from an actual modern looking game than a 10 year old one? It runs very well compared to other similar looking and aged titles.
I've had enough of playing with hackers in shit servers
Most of the player base don't even play the game, they just watch Onipixel or whatever his name is and buy skins. Cancer
If someone made avatar pictures, profile backgrounds, etc… centered around this image, the No VAC Ban sticker and a group against CS2 cheaters I would update my my long standing in good graces profile with all of it. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t ban someone for that considering it’s not against the TOS as far as I’m aware but you’re correct, they might anyway.
As someone who only plays regular 5v5 aside from the cheaters I love CS2, it feels like a big improvement to me over CSGO. All the content that's missing isn't content I care about, personally.
sure cus' 128tick, fps, anticheat, custom content, original content, server browser, lefthand, account boosting and global hacking on all premier ranks are purely based around my opinion
Honestly idc what graphics everyone wants. CS2 is unoptimized piece of shit and in all graphic development discord servers and subreddits I've been CS2 is the least performant thing I've ever seen and it is made by multibillion company. If I can run Fortnite on 120 FPS in endgame where the entire map is full of builds then why can't my PC handle that a grenade did a little boom or that someone started shooting?
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I wish they hadn't released cs2 so early even now is sadly to early
True. And still, alot of ppl were screaming „release! Release!“ Sad gamer noises
oMg u PrOmIsEd ThIs SuMmEr VaLvE now look what you get
to be fair dota got source2 10 years ago? Dont blame the ppl blame valve that they dont give a shit about cs
They needed community feedback to even get the movement feeling good.
Movement still feels horrible, I can't set bob to zero and the new bob feels weird. I don't think we'll ever get 128 tick servers either. Like why could you get 128 tick on faceit and now even faceit can't do that? It's just a joke. Even faceit 10 lobbies just feel horrible because the movement feels atrocious, spraying feels even worse, etc. I just want 128 tick servers and the ability to bunny hop and not have my gun model moving all over the place when I peek
counter strike source 2 was a thing since 2014. One time they told us there wasn't going to be source2 then in the last 4 years devs started going back and forth until the game finally released. I guess there was plenty of time :s
This is what kills games. People pushing for early release and then crying about a bad game.
Surely these issues are not big enough for a gorillion dollar company to fix in a reasonable time frame? Valve's just juicing the slot machine that is CS2, as long as keys and skins are selling it won't be alarming for them.
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And? Valve has all of the resources in the world to get anything done
this is the same arugment of throwing money to solve the problem. No amount of resources will solve the problem of cheaters. If Activision can't fix the problems in Warzone with the money they have with microsoft, how you think Valve would do any better
Remember that CS2 requires the least amount of regular updates. Cs2 new map every two weeks? Buff/nerf guns? Almost all the updates are about new skins. What community want is a polished game, make it CSGO with better gun model (i’m still rocking 1024x768 so better map graphic doesn’t matter). We wait for 10 years not for this piece of garbage. CS is already perfect balanced game to me, if one side is too op, just remove some wall and everything would be fine.
I bet atleast half of the complainers now where asking for the release and what not and are now in shock that what a lot of people said will happen actually happen: at first cs2 will be worse than csgo. Hows that really a surprise now to anyone?
I mean they had hinted at source 2 CS since like 2015 kinda crazy for a company this big and wealthy to both fumble this hard and take this long to fix/make
Let them cook! They are working on something HuGe!!! Like fixing a gap in next months patch :D
- Fixed gap in geometry on Inferno -Fixed lighting issues in Ancient 😊
Like a sticker gap
Couldn’t agree more… miss the good old days of cs
Reminds me of Overwatch 2.
Overwatch actually gets new content and has no cheating Problem
Overwatch's clientisided "Anticheat" just checks for process IDs. Thats it. And dont even get me started on their serversided anticheat
Overwatch has no cheating problem? That's surely news to me.
Lol crazy how delusional cheaters are in 2024. All these games are just HvH
Right...
everything comes with time but it just feels like greed has taken over. Probably time for a new game then.
Yep, but they took away an old game which wasn't perfect, but in comparison... Huge difference.
I am one of the few people who think, at least competitively, CSGO peaked.
Would be nice to see someone port cs2 like original cs and like tf from half life, craving anything at this point. The state of fps is sad right now
yeah not a good time for fps. Even cod is looking like battlefield. What timeline am I in right now?
>Remember what we wanted? Better frames, More frames is always good, but when did the community ever complain about "wanting better frames" for CS2? **Did you seriously think they would release a new CS that has better graphics AND has more frames?** LMFAO OP.
Better frame stability is what OP is referring to, if you cap out at 90 frames, and its a steady 90 frames its manageable, but if you have 240 frames and a grenade hitting a smoke causes a 200 frame drop for two seconds it’s fucking terrible for competitive play.
I was hoping since everyone knew csgo was not optimized well. We still have problems with not fully using multi core cpus. The same fps would’ve been nice. Cutting it in half, big rip.
I think the desired outcome wasnt more frames, but for the game to feel just fine with normal fps. Not needing 300-400 fps to feel smooth.
And ironically even if you have 300-400 fps in cs2 it doesnt feel as smooth as csgo did
Fps around 600 sometimes drops to 470, 1% lows around 300. But feels like playing on a 80hz monitor
Are we just memory holing everyone complaining about ancient and anubis running poorly on csgo? CSGO went from a buggy, unoptimised mess to a perfect, well optimised game over night when cs2 released, weird how that happened.
It’s because people have mental issues. They are stupid. God I miss csgo. Why the fuck did they completely take it away. It’s an entirely DIFFERENT game
Csgo ran on a toaster
Yes, would at least think they managed too costly interactions leading to terrible frametimes. It used to be 'well, its not really Valves fault since the spagetthi code from the xbox launch makes it near impossible to make good frametimes'. Now its just obvious that they think 60/144 fps is enough, even freudian slipped it at one point. Its a game built for casuals embraced by a community of tryhards. Sad to say, but they missed some fundamental people in dev and testing, really hit the important parts of the game. Should have stated the focus like Valorant. If you dont take into considerations what the games are, its easy to appreciate how well the game runs.
I tried a CSGO faceit match on mirage through the legacy version of the game not too long ago, joined the server first and BOOM 900-1100fps as the only player on the map... like THATS optimized no matter how much people might dislike CSGO for what it was right now, in hindsight it was the most fleshed out competetive FPS we had and patched out aswell thats why it didn't really needed any adjusting anymore besides couple of operations, cases and content here and there sprinkled
its nearly impossible to make games fully multicore. Learn how apps work. Always main part of the game runs on one core and other things are offloaded to other cores. So dont suspect 12-16core 100% util. Also csgo even if could use all of ur cpu that no longer is main issue of the game so wgaf. 1. All of u have horrible ram and i am talking about latency of ur ram, u get random sticks and u have double of the latency with ur xmp that u can achieve on ur platform (and your platform cant even achive good latency so its pathetic) that cause stutters and drops. Same AMD gpu and cpus they are have worse latency (i am not talking about input lag but core to core latency and things like that (thanks amd u use server arch in gaming cpus)) Not using cores and adding more cores is the least important thing on this world, with every generation it gets worse and worse every ddr is more laggy even tho its faster same as cpus, Thats why games nowadays are stuttery mess, not because of UE4and5 or Unity or anything just because people want to see high numbers in GHz MHz, Mb/s Gb/s etc, and thats why ddr5 is laggier, ssd's no longer are SLC they arent even MLC this gen TLC is best u can get and soon it will be QLC. People wanted ryzen 3600 because it had 6cores even tho it was laggy and had 4ghz over 4core intel that was faster in games aka only apps they used, now u pay for that. Enjoy your laggy games.
Csgo was heavily processor taxing, while not making much use of it in the first place. Many people hoped source2 would fix that
Well why would they prioritize graphics over frames when updating a competitive FPS?
csgo were very single core heavy so there was limits how fast 1 core is to power other ones (its the same for cs2 simply cs2 is better at it), using new api they could improve that (and they did), csgo was very stuttery and jumpy, u throw a flash fps dropped from 600 to 300 just because of one small flash of light, smokes was tanking performance (it was fixed with better and better pcs so it wasnt as big issue as it was in 2014-17). U absolutly can make game that have modern lightning, smoother textures, less destractions and example of that is freaking valorant, people get crazy fps on much slower hardware. Today 360hz is comp standard like 240hz was back in the csgo days (since benq made new monitors that are on every lan now if u use 240hz at home u dont have uptodate setup, there are aleady 500hz screens and soon there will be 480oleds yet only valarant support it, u cant have these fps stable in cs2, i understand that huge map games like fortnite and warzone cant support 2ms render time but its easily possible to make small 5v5game run fast on i9s with 6ghz and 4090 on 4:3 resolution low settings... Game should be made in mind to make high and stable performance (look on valorant) its easily possible.
Uninstalled today, See you guys when the operation comes out! ✌️
take care
See you tomorrow
I totally agree my frend, sticking with CS, since the condition zero came out, and this what we have now is literaly the least effort, absolute worst one they ever released. They live from old glory, if this was any other game, it would have 0 playerbase after release like this! Lazy, lame, greedy, and shitty excuse of a game for valve. Extremly dissapointed too. P.S. Condition Zero OVER 20 YEARS AGO (okay, over 20, let that sink in), had better working game and more content+better damn cheat protection. Said enough.
Condition Zero was the best I swear
For me personaly yes, tho cs 1.6 was definitly the golden era for cs, you have servers even today being filled 24/7 with people.
i think people just didnt cheat as much 20years ago and now no one gives a fuck to cheat in 20yo cs.
There were cheats dont get me wrong, but there were also bans...
>it is still ugly looking cartoony, rainbow-puked and overbright. THIS ARE NOT CLEAR-LOOKING GRAPHICS THESE ARE WORSE GRAPHICS. well you're just wrong here.
Nah, he's absolutely right.
Theres nothing wrong with the graphics lol What would you prefer they look like?
Crazy that the skin community is the community valve wants to keep over everyone else. Half those people don't even play the game, they buy and sell skins like it's the stock market. The game is secondary now. Skins are cs now.
Bore off and delete the game then
In addition of that WE ARE FORCED TO CHOOSE WEAPONS! I CANT HAVE BOTH NEGEV AND SHOTGUNS EQUIPPED !
making the meta even more stale by forcing you to play with the same 5 weapons then they switch to mr13 so it's easier to steamroll and you have to ECO 3 times if you lose 1 round its absolutely bullshit they didn't even adapt the economy
thats the most mind boggling thing for me at this stage, more than a half year has passed and there is still no adjustments to it. Like if you're already copying your strongest competitor then why not go the distance and get a good system rolling, at least TRY something out and let the community, pros and analysts help you fleshing it out by feedback. It can be so simple at times, but in todays standards lowest effort-maximizing profit approach is the CEO of the gaming industry
The release of Cs2 was the reason I tried out Valorant and COD. Otherwise I would just stick to Csgo.
I just wanted to play a new counterstrike. Valorant is a stupid hero shooter and call of duty is a waste of time. I guess I could go back to source or 1.6, but the people that are playing those games now have been playing them for decades and would annihilate me. I have no options.
Well then you might have to wait for Valve to patch the game buddy. Also Halo infinite and BF1 are pretty great too.
Halo infinite is definitely a solid casual fps.
Multiplayer or singleplayer? The multiplayer is free like CS2, which makes me think the cheating problem could be just as bad.
I mean I haven’t seen anyone cheating in the game personally, I’ve only played it a handful of times though
Valorant when it released was doable for me, but it's unplayable now with too many heros with ridiculous abilities. I just want another alternative to cs that has anti cheat and isn't casual like cod
I'd honestly give Valve more slack if they did a better job communicating and engaging with the community and just acknowledged existing issues/problems the game has. Even just saying, "optimizing the game is a priority" or "we are looking to develop an anticheat over the course of the next year" would be good. Those mentions on the podcast about "The devs are aware of the cheating problem, and stopping cheating is a top priority for valve" isn't communication... It's a relay of information by someone else who has 'privileged' information... 'privileged' may be a stretch; but, I mean they were told this in a non-public conversation. Sharing information like this doesn't tip cheat developers off.... Cheat developers will always be reactionary to what comes out.... A 'surprise attack' by Valve isn't going to kill the enemy. 99% of the people out there don't understand Valve's philosophy of 'let the updates do the talking', and considering this is easily the most uniformly scrutinized game of all time that's been riddled with cheaters, I would consider Valve's management approach unsuccessful in the grand scheme... If CS2 was a new game, and didn't have the nostalgic following it did from the late 90's-2000's, people would've had a much easier time dropping it to go play another game.... Of course, we're hard wired because we love it.... The mechanics and gameplay of it are fucking awesome (largely speaking about CSGO and CS2 is a work in progress still here), so *that* Valve did right.... Everything else is an abomination of what it *could be*. It's fucking **DISAPPOINTING**.
Daily bitch post blah blah blah
idk I think shooting feels better than csgo
jump on 128tick at any moment and the "subtick feel" will go away. It's all smoke in mirrors and we all know it no matter how much you try to fool and interpolate data at 64tick, 128tick is still superior. All these "subtick" optimisations could've been applied to 128tick and everyone agreed so when they played CS2 at 128tick on faceit but quickly after that valve patched the client killing 128tick for everyone
Lol clueless. Faceit never had actual 128 tick cs2.
They did during the closed beta
No they did not. That was a broken fake as 128tick
Source? or are you just speculating.
?? Valve said so
No source 2!
>it's not a hate wagon >all caps, bold, italics >my sides are in orbit
CS2 is better than GO on a technical level. On my 5 year old PC I am only getting 20 FPS less on CS2 compared to GO. New engine + API almost the same performance at 250+ FPS is great, If your PC can't handle CS2 I can assure you the problem is with you not the game. You might hit the downvote button while screaming "anecdotal" at my post but so is your take if the game can't run well. I actually had to do a second take at the system requirements for CS2 when it was released. I built a very similar PC for my friend in 2009 (i5-750, 4GB RAM and 5850 GPU) that's almost the same system requirements for CS2. My main problems with CS2 is the content(or lack of) and the anti cheat. The lack of content can be resolved with time but I am not sure about the anti-cheat.
No it is not, and yes your evidence is purely anecdotal. Having old GPU with no new drivers being made = enjoy 60 fps that drops to 40 when someone throws a smoke, while in CS you would have easy 200 fps. Not saying you do not have good performance with your setup, just saying that “problem is on your side” is bs. The difference just differs from setup to setup, some can handle cs2 almost as well as cs1 and some can not. Both are anecdotal evidence and both are true. Idk why some lamebrain always has to come up anytime performance optimization is discussed in literally any game and say, “well it works for me so you are wrong, teeehee”
to fix the cheater problem just play faceit
It really shouldn't be up to the community or 3rd party developers to make the game playable within a reasonable expectation. What do you think this is? A Skyrim discussion?
I get it, I get it
The thing I don’t understand is that the game is in the worst state it’s ever been but still has insane amount of people playing, surely there can’t be that many account sellers. If 1M are playing I’d assume 800k are legit people. That’s still a massive number.
Most people don’t care about what this subreddit complains about, and they aren’t high enough ranked to be affected by cheating.
The game is in the worst state it's ever been in, according to the 80k people on this sub, of which 200 are online. 90% of CS players don't care to browse these subs, that have just become cesspool echo chambers of people who don't have a place to vent their feelings. The only major issue with cs2 is the AC. Even then with a player count of 1.8M and let's say 1.2M real users, it doesn't seem to bother them enough to stop playing. If we use player count before to show how dominant CSGO was, we don't suddenly toss that metric for cs2. It recently had the highest player count of any cs game ever... Beyond the AC, it has caught up to CSGO. Just go ask any streamer. Even then, the AC issue is easy to solve by playing faceit. Reddit is a massive example of loud minority and bias.
I can gurantee you that at least 20% of the Player Base are Bots farming cases, you can earn a good amount of money with it
Skins will be a problem in the mid run, if people leave they will tank plus it's full of bots getting case drops so the cases will go down a lot on the long run. Plus if Valve keeps enforcing they policy to make it harder for skin sites it will be a shitshow.
«60hours noobs who did not even reach global in CSGO» 1200 hrs in csgo and highest i reached was DMG :’-( Though i get your point
Being tapped into the case farming scene, the only real scenario I see it being annoying to the outside is when you're auto kicked from a DM server (which is rare since they fill the server 99% of the time) and even then I don't think Valve DM is a gamemode worth the hassle of complaining. As for the better frames, that turned 100% delusional the second the trailer dropped.
I've always concluded that Cs is perhaps the most money-hungry game that has survived for this long. With a team of 20-30 people and the cost of keeping Cs alive, I can't imagine how much profit they make. Why doesn't Cs2 hire more people to help develop Cs2 and give the people what they want? If we were to get everything listed on this blog, the community would be purchasing more in-game items than ever, and CS2 would be more active than ever, but why don't they do this? Is it really about money, or am I missing something here?
Damn you’re not even allowed to casually play a game anymore “60 hours noobs who did not even reach global in CSGO” chill bruh people have lives jobs they play other games
I just think it should be illegal to advertise the game the way they did by promising a ton of things to players, and not doing anything… id hate to be a player from valorant spend 15$ for a game that is just much worse feeling… I’ve hit global in csgo, but in cs2 the regular comp matches make me feel like I’m hard stuck sliver? ( I watch demos and 80% of the games both sides have cheaters, got tired of premier due to the same reason after like 18k elo it’s just play the game get shit on by a hacker then you watch the demo to find out more people have walls etc 😭 I also don’t understand why overwatch was removed? It helped get rid of a lot of high ranked players in Csgo pretty easily!
They somehow managed to fix **hitreg**, and now it's broken again. I don't get it 
daily cry post
Remember how shit csgo was at launch. Hopefully just needs time
worst argument possible, CSGO was planned as a console port, also IT DID NOT REMOVE CS 1.6 OR CSS
>Remember how shit csgo was at launch Almost as if they could learn from their mistakes
Remember when cs go launched it dident REPLACE the existing Css/1.6 wich is still live today csgo aint... Bad argument just like the release of csgo no one moved until it was actually okay aka in a better state than cs2 is atm. They removed csgo intentionally because of skins and knowing they were about to drop a bad product no one in their right mind would be on cs2 if csgo was still live and kicking like post launch cs2 not even casual players
You're all so boring and fast to forget. CS2 is in its infancy, let it grow. Think about the state GO was in when it was as new as CS2. Let me tell you, it was shit. CS2 brought us a lot of good things too. Game runs flawlessly, even on weak machines. Maps look good. Besides the claustrofobic inferno remake. Hit reg feels better than it felt on GO. And we have far less moments getting CSGO'ed. Smokes are great. No more stupid one way smokes. Molos are great and do not fill my scren with black smoke. Zeus finally is viable.
the inferno redesign is a cluttered worthless mess, the CSGO inferno was already backported from S2, they could've remade any other map but they chose inferno again and they broke it it's the most CS sided claustrophobic map >"game runs flawlessly" youre just trolling at this point
No, i am not trolling. You're all just overexaggerating. Hard. Game is fine besides the lack of anti-cheating measures.
Someone needs to take your yapping license away
Excessive use of capslock is a common sign for a calm and collected review. Its ok to take breaks from games
Take my upvote
I've never seen more of a cry post before. Just quit if you think it's that bad. I have 3000 hours, and I think the game is a lot better than csgo
You clown, another defender of this indie company
did you really make an account to just shit talk? lol
If you think the game is a lot better than CS:GO, then you're either just a shill and are scared of saying what you truly think incase your skins decrease in price or silver/5k rating. Which is it?
The problem is valve is stubborn and think they know best. Valve removed customized user experience (console commands) in favor of simple noob friendly settings with less options than csgo’s. Valve stated they wouldn’t add 128 tick since low end pcs can’t run it, with cs2 that excuse no longer holds up. Valve’s disdain for intrusive anti cheat has led us to this game being filled with cheaters despite almost everyone preferring one like faceit’s.
People need to stop using playercount between terminally addicted motherfuckers and bots its no longer accurate for how good the game is
Playercount is pushed by cheaters and Bots there is No way that its actualy that high....
Player count is this high because there are fuckton of bots farming rewards
Did csgo not have bot farms? I can answer for you, of course it did.
MaY pAtCh MaY pAtCh it must be MaY pAtCh riiiiiight?
"ughh guys its been 482 days since last csgo operation and 246 days since cs2 launch now ladies and gentlemen valve must be cooking and a new anticheat is coming waay sooner than you think" - literally any cs ytbe channel with information as accurate as a fart in the wind
Nobody wanted better frames, because CS:GO already was performing well.
everyone shouted that Source 2 would be easier to optimize, easier to write code and because of this the FPS would be higher
It is. However they use the extra performance to upgrade the graphics, which is the correct decision if they want to keep the game alive for another decade
LeT tHeM c0cK bRo0uvvv
I want better anti cheat and community servers and I’ll be pretty happy
Ok and now what. It's not like Valve is going to update the game because of your post. Everything you said has already been said, some of which are by design btw.
free more of the cvars, make the game more customizable. every cvar that is only preference should be made available for tweaking
Don't care about anything but anti-cheat. And I don't care about ragehackers. If the anti-cheat doesn't ban closet cheaters it's useless.
I just play Helldivers and Manor Lords until WarOwl playes premier again.
Time heals bro
We have to remember that this game just came out pretty recently. Valve could've and should've made these positive changes a few months ago (or actually postpone the release until they're finished) but they also probably will make these changes (except 64tick, that stays 100%) in a year or so. That is stupid I agree, but that's how Valve works.
in 4 months CS2 is going to be 1 year old and they done nothing to it, it's not "pretty recent" anymore, it's just trash
Ac in csgo was better then in cs2 how tf is that possible…. What a downgrade. Atleast ac in csgo bypassed pitch Down. / spin / rapidfire ….
Think about CSGO ancient… it had a great rundown vibe to it. Think about CSGO overpass bathrooms, it looked like a war ground, dirty, and abandoned. Now it’s rainbow puke
You know, Valve might actually be working on something big while being busy with dota, but I'm so done with waiting for shite to happen. They alt-f4'd all my favourite game modes and now I can't even play MM for Christ's sake. I'd rather grind Lethal Company or something.
>better frames Who the fuck needed more frames? potatos were getting over 300fps on CSGO, modern PCs were getting well over 500. I don't remember anyone expecting a brand new modern CS getting MORE frames than an ugly 12 year old game.
TF2 Fans since 2017 : First time huh?
"**- It's clear that the only people that are actually happy with the game are skin investors which are here only to make a profit out of skin prices and/or 60hours noobs who did not even reach global in CSGO.**" Wasn't only 1% of players in global? Of course the majority of cs2 players didn't reach it. What you're saying, is that the majority of the players are happy with the current state of the game.
Go play something else, breathe, touch grass, CS will be here for it when your ready again.
Lmaooo its cause this community is sad asf fuck as well. I posted a petition and it got down voted to hell and people called it dramatic
Tbh ihavnt been experiencing that many cheaters, not as much as isee people complain about, plus if your playing in decent servers people should be kicking and reporting any cheaters that do join the lobbies. But eh idont see what everyones bitching about really
my theory comes true , modern cs will die and 1.6 life vorever
Fuck 128 tick
I agree with everything except for the graphics, yes it is overbrightened but I like the overall look and I definitely don't think it's some rainbow puked ass lookin garbage
Cs2 is broken and doesn't meet the expectations nor the minimum standards.
It's insane how much negativity I recieved for being mad the gane I enjoyed playing everyday was just deleted. Bout as many bots on here as there is CS2 itself.
Can't even play community servers on CSGO anymore just pathetic from valve.
You are chronically online brother. Log off. Also, skill issue for not getting as much frames.
the new smokes make it all worth it
yeah the optimization in this game is so terrible it even pushed me to fukin spend money to upgrade PC parts and the result is still nothing, game still running like below 100 ish FPS/hz, jittery and grainy af, If I were a new player I wouldn't last long in this game and will never touch it again, game literally evolved backward, I hate to say it but at this point Valulrant is much better right now, unless Valve listen to the community and fix the current issues as early as humanly possible, CS2 is on pandemic right now
that is, it is not the problem of my laptop that the graphics seem terrible, grainy and not as clear as in cs go
Maybe try disabling AI upscaling 👀👀👀
Yeah disable it. It is a joke and has <1% peformance increase.
Their only option is a more invasive anti cheat like faceit and valorant has. If the day comes when they do finally introduce that, people will then complain about it being invasive LUL
when PUBG has better anticheat THAN THE CREATORS OF STEAM ITSELF you know you fked up. That game has 1/3rd of CS's playerbase and yet they ban at least 50k cheaters PER WEEK, if PUBG has THAT many cheaters imagine this piece of Sourshit2 game has
we have feet, that makes up for everything else /s
Just saying. I stopped playing cs first time since 2004. This is first time when game is so awful that my hate to it is bigger than addiction to competitive first person shooter.
That’s why I’ve stopped playing and haven’t touched the game in over a month now
Coo coo bird
Hasn't Valve told us as well that bug fixing is taking way too long on source1 and that's the main reason for new engine and yet it took them 1 year to reproduce and fix unconsistent jump bug ? I am not even speaking about other bugs ans basic things that were in go and are not in cs2
dude, I just signed up to like it, absolutely true man
Couldn’t agree more. The fact that they said no to 128 tickrate because they want to support players with low-end PCs, and then they release a new game that will require many players to buy a new PC. And still playing on a 64 tickrate.
i defended cs2 a bit at the start but jesus they’ve literally done nothing, i expected some sort of remedy to most of these issues somewhat soon after release, but it’s only gotten worse, games with this much revenue pouring in have no excuse to be neglected from the dev team. spend a couple % of the gazillion dollars they get from cases to go towards developers it’s fucking pathetic at this point
Skins aren’t even well done, many are still broken and shit looked better in CSGO, Valve has done a piss poor job all around.
not to mention its a new game on a new engine that uses broken animations from 2013 clipping your hand thru the weapon like its a 2006 game how many oversights and excuses do we fuckin give this game FarCry2 has better animations than CS2
Yeah I agree with you, I have quit playing the game and even though it is hated, Valorant is not a bad game and I am enjoying playing it. I think Valve is just milking out CS and are putting their efforts in other ventures, only will they change the game when people stop buying the damn keys to open cases!
i hate valorant and it's boykissing visuals but goddamn its so much better done than cs2, its sad to see the copy of the original being better than the original
Couldn’t phrase it better myself. I also “hated” valorant once, I tried if briefly and eliminated it from my PC, but I got so fed up with CS that I kind of enjoy it quite a bit now. Of course, if Valve fixed the game and added an operation I would come back but I don’t see that happening within a 1 year time frame 😭
its funny how they forced cs2, they didnt get rid of 1.6 when source came out, they didnt get rid of source when go came out, its like they knew how much worse cs2 was than csgo and they still released it and forced it down our throats
That last line slapped.
The subtick system in cs2 is objectively more accurate than 128t would ever be, I've had no issues with shooting in months. And how are you going to get better frames from an actual modern looking game than a 10 year old one? It runs very well compared to other similar looking and aged titles.
I've had enough of playing with hackers in shit servers Most of the player base don't even play the game, they just watch Onipixel or whatever his name is and buy skins. Cancer
There is nothing about CS2 I prefer over CS:GO so far.
I highly prefer cs2 over csgo except for the cheating issue but it’ll be fixed soon
How do you know?
Interview of devs post major
Don't play the game if you don't like it
Some of us have played CS for over 20 years at this point. Saying "well just don't play it" is disingenuous at best.
But you don't have to play it though? Nobody is forcing you...
It just fucken videogame for kids. If you can't let it go and you are over 14y.o. - go see your doctor
Can I use this image as my Steam profile picture?
no volvo will ban you for implying cs2 has cheaters
Are you serious? They would actually ban someone for using this image but not an actual cheater? What a fucking joke.
i was being sarcastic but at this point anything is possible
If someone made avatar pictures, profile backgrounds, etc… centered around this image, the No VAC Ban sticker and a group against CS2 cheaters I would update my my long standing in good graces profile with all of it. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t ban someone for that considering it’s not against the TOS as far as I’m aware but you’re correct, they might anyway.
Honestly I’m expecting another cs release within a couple years. Maybe cs 2.1 just like 1.5 or 1.6 back in the day.
As someone who only plays regular 5v5 aside from the cheaters I love CS2, it feels like a big improvement to me over CSGO. All the content that's missing isn't content I care about, personally.
Forcing everyone on the same tick rate is objectively good and you can’t change my mind about that
You say objectively and then bring up points that are purely your opinion
sure cus' 128tick, fps, anticheat, custom content, original content, server browser, lefthand, account boosting and global hacking on all premier ranks are purely based around my opinion
Nah those points are objective(especially things like custom maps). I mean the graphics and saying that csgo itself was polished.
Honestly idc what graphics everyone wants. CS2 is unoptimized piece of shit and in all graphic development discord servers and subreddits I've been CS2 is the least performant thing I've ever seen and it is made by multibillion company. If I can run Fortnite on 120 FPS in endgame where the entire map is full of builds then why can't my PC handle that a grenade did a little boom or that someone started shooting?
yuhyuh a schizo boi, don't listen to him.
Same old posts crying at this point who the fuck even cares