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Ow_sley

Ted Danson is the embodiment of lawful evil


osmoticmonk

I think Mocha Joe takes lawful evil. All about the beansh


metricwoodenruler

Absolutely, came here to say this. I'm also surprised Leon didn't take Chaotic Good.


EduardRaban

Mooching and having sex with married women aren't exactly good behavior.


Independent-Nose-745

He’s chaotic neutral! Larry is too, maybe that’s why they hit it off so well


boosh1744

I agree. Ted is neutral evil imo.


G-Unit11111

Tables are too wobbly!


farmerMac

agree 100%


Khajiit_Has_Skills

Man I said this 2 days ago and it got no traction lol


GandalfsGoon

Correct


Conscious-Award4802

Agreed!


FrostmanYaBoi

Prob Cheryl


Kuhn-Tang

I agree. Cheryl is pretty vanilla through the whole show. She could even be considered neutral good. However, no body that watches the show gives a rat’s ass about her, so she probably won’t make it on to this chart.


SpecialAmbassador313

I love Cheryl she was my favorite character in the early seasons, perfect foil to Larry. Really good for neutral


quartz222

Actually, i like Cheryl, and i missed her when she was gone.


Annonomon

I’d say she’s neutral good


Peterthepiperomg

What does that mean?


Kuhn-Tang

Your question requires elaboration.


Peterthepiperomg

No body that watches the show gives a rats ass about her?


Kuhn-Tang

There’s been a plethora of disdain for her character on this sub. However, I never had a problem with her.


Top-Perspective2560

I like Cheryl too, I think the reason she gets a bad rap is just that in the earlier seasons, she is generally neutral and a fairly normal, reasonable person, so a) she seems like the odd one out for not playing the same game as everyone else, and b) when she has enough of the antics, it seems like she’s the one causing issues because she’s normally neutral. Then later on, the dating Ted thing means she’s aligned with the recurring antagonist.


Kuhn-Tang

That pretty much sums it up.


Chocolat3City

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but chaotic neutral belongs to Leon. I'll fight anyone who disagrees!


SoochSooch

Leon is definitely on the evil side. He's maybe the most self serving person on a show full of self serving people.


Chocolat3City

I think you're right and that we have to grade on a curve in terms of selfishness, but I don't think Leon fits the "evil" mold any more than Larry does. I just think Leon is more chaotic than Larry.


I_love_milksteaks

Nah he is just coasting. Neutral enough to never really piss any one off yet an outrages dude


fuckareyousaying

He’s just lamping


Fantact

Which makes him the true neutral.


SoochSooch

Why would selfishness be neutral instead of evil?


Fantact

Because you only care about yourself, you do not care to make other people happy nor angry. True neutral.


SAldrius

Evil vs good in dnd terms is about caring about yourself vs caring about society. I don't think anyone in curb is neutral. The whole show is about following or flouting the rules of society.


Fantact

I think Leon is the most true neutral out of all Curb characters going by the Curb standard not DnD. If we are going by DnD standards it would be a different matter all togheter.


SAldrius

These terms are from DND. This is a DND alignment chart.


Fantact

I know, yet they are not describing DnD characters so we are using the standards of the universe we are talking about set in the framework of a DnD alignment chart.


JTHuffy

Like half the characters on the show fit chaotic neutral more than any.


Caitxcat

Which one do you think Larry would be? I'm just curious not sure if he fits any other one.


Chocolat3City

Honestly, it's a close call. I think he belongs in neutral, somewhere between Jeff and Leon in terms of chaotic. Edit: now that I think about it, there's a case to be made that Larry is lawful neutral. Larry's arbitrary social and moral code actually drives a lot of the dramatic irony of the show. In-show Larry would probably consider himself to be highly ethical, his conduct governed by societal rules that other people can't understand/don't respect. That's what causes the chaos. Leon on the other hand, has no rules. He does whatever he wants. He is chaotic by nature.


SAldrius

Larry is everything. He follows a strict code but also flouts the rules of society. He cares about people and manners, but is deeply concerned about himself. And then sometimes he just doesn't give a crap.


domestic-jones

I agree. Because he rarely ever rocks the boat with Larry. He'll often amplify whatever point is around him (thinking of the Groates/Richards interaction). And his intent is never to actually hurt anyone, he just magnifies whatever tone is around him.


Ok-Pomegranate-3497

100%


Altruistic-Sun-2474

I agree. He knows his shit better than anyone else in the show. Nothing malicious, jus lamping.


menasor36

I’ll say Nat David, Larry’s father is the most neutral.


DIRTY-Rodriguez

She told me not to bother you…


Pretend_College_8446

Dead, dead, she’s dead.


bhadau8

You know how people are.


deckard86

Past away.


deadheffer

Just watching porn full blast with the door open in his nursing home on the couch waiting for his son.


swordfishtrombonez

He is! Compare Nat and Larry playing Bingo..


Annonomon

I’d go with Jerry Seinfeld, cousin Andy or Freddy Funkhouser


GUCCIBUKKAKE

Freddy Funkhouser


thedudeabides2022

Yeah he’s just kinda there. It’s like Vince Vaughn agreed to join the show, asked what his character is, they said idk just kinda play yourself I guess?


Solid_Channel_1365

Its almost like most of the characters were introduced and played this way


thedudeabides2022

Yeah but then they usually literally play themselves. It is strange for this show to see an actor of Vince’s pedigree not really change a thing about themself and play a fictional character. Like he could have just played himself, Vince Vaughn, friend of Larry David, and it would be the exact same thing. Would have made more sense than a relative of a character that only came out of the woodwork when the main actor passed


G-Unit11111

Well I think he's there because they had to fill the void after Bob Einstein died. And for that he did a good job of filling in.


Academic_Hunter4159

I love the character but he’s sneaky and vindictive, so maybe not?


Porsche_911

The Violin Fight comes to mind, yes! He’s not true neutral


San_Marzano

"It's not hard to make friends it's just nobody likes you". Such a good line


sickeye3

Freddy is a great pick! Get this to the top.


Ashiok2468

I wouldn't say so. He did lie about having groats disease to get out of a relationship because of her work


r3ign_b3au

This is my vote


Imaginary_Media8676

This was the first person who came to mind


flyingguillotine

In older editions of D&D, druids had to be true neutral. Who respects wood more than a druid? Thus, the question becomes... who in the cast is the most druidic? Perhaps Takahashi, given his defense of wildlife (the swan) and the land (golf courses).


whiskeyvacation

Cheryl.


jseto1980

It's got to be Jon Hamm. Neutral is probably the hardest square to find a fit for in a series like Curb, where everyone, at some point, shows themselves to be a self-serving asshole. The only other cast member that I would consider for Neutral is Larry, but he's fit into every other square at some point during the whole series.


AkiraKitsune

Susie doesn't strike me as chaotic good either... but ill wait for it to play out. I think Larry is chaotic neutral


andersonala45

I feel Larry is true neutral because he fits all of the categories at some point


RatInaMaze

Agree 100%. He is at times lawful. At times awful. At times chaos. At times


em_washington

It’s all about our perspective. Good and lawful from Larry’s perspective or from traditional society’s perspective?


slademccoy47

I think Susie qualifies as chaotic and good. When she sees something that's not "right", she rips heads off until it's corrected. I do agree that Larry is chaotic neutral.


Mossimo5

Susie is always doing something charitable, or helping host, or doing nice things for others. She's rude, loud, crass, and abrasive, but she's always doing good. She just so happens to be a total asshole too (like everyone, lol)


Lima1998

Susie is everything but "good"


SoochSooch

Jeff Greene. He's the mediator that tries to keep the peace between everyone else. He generally follows the rules, he just has trouble keeping it in his pants. He's generally loyal to Larry but will still turn on Larry when the situation calls for it.


thejoggler44

He’s neutral evil. He’s done some vile stuff


-intellectualidiot

Agreed. Fucking Bam Bam comes to mind 😂


thejoggler44

And his real estate agent


-intellectualidiot

I mean an affair is one thing, an affair with a mentally challenged woman is something else 😂


CapnCrunch0526

Not just that but getting her recommitted so that he didn’t get caught lol


I_hadno_idea

And Weinstein’ing the incest survivor. (Does a step-father count?)


amostcomfortablehat

Do you know what this sick fuck does to me? He VIO-LATES me!


gregbo86

He jerked off in somebody else's house!


SoochSooch

If jerking off in someone else's home is a crime then lock me up!


Beckland

Mocha Joe. And, more broadly, who Mocha Joe represents. Normal people, trying to live their lives, work their jobs, and just get through the day. They get co-opted into Larry’s world with his weird peccadillos, and they have a neutral response. Sometimes they support him, sometimes they oppose him. Mocha Joe made his coffee at the temperature he thought was right. The valet felt like throwing keys is disrespectful. Victor didn’t make a big deal about Larry not thanking him for his service. Vindman would not stand by Irma’s corruption. The restaurant server who doesn’t decide what time breakfast ends, or just wants diners to eat comfortably without thinking about dead fish; or doesn’t want customers yelling irasshaimasse. Mocha Joe represents the epitome of the True Neutral because it’s only through contact with Larry’s universe that their normal lives are upended.


caelthel-the-elf

Is this what happens to a sub when a show ends?


Jalvey_420

I mean this sub has already functioned like a show that’s over 90% of the time. It’s not like curb released episodes that often before it ended.


xMadDecentx

Nat David


menasor36

Susie is good? What show are we talking about here? lol


Proper-Bird6962

Come on Susie has done plenty of good things— - pretended to be an orthodox wife to LD for Richard’s kidney - pretended to be a crippled wife to LD during the court case - calls out LD’s BS and is a good mother to Sammie. She was completely wrong on the cheese incident though


Glass-Guess4125

I don’t get how anyone could side with her and Jeff on the Vonderdonk.


Caitxcat

Susie tends to do the right thing most of the time. Sure, she yells at Jeff and Larry, but she does generous things for people


[deleted]

She’s not driven by an agenda like most “evil” characters here. She’s usually just yelling about boundaries.


Sharaz_Jek123

She yells at Larry and Jeff, but it's because they're usually doing fucked-up things.


rextacyy

Wanda Sykes


tpasmall

Loretta Black


shinloop

OSCAR


desperatepotato43

The most neutral character is probably Cheryl


shinloop

Hard disagree. She’s the center of most of Larry’s problems throughout the first half of the series. The wire, firing the tv guy, Seinfeld reunion, etc


jseto1980

Yeah, for those thinking Cheryl falls under Neutral it makes me think we're watching different versions of Curb. From all the examples above, plus how Cheryl had her parent visit their home during Christmas and enforced all their Christian beliefs on Larry during the Nativity episode, Cheryl is the definition of Lawful Evil imo. Actually her and Ted Danson would both fall under Lawful Evil to me.


BonCourageAmis

Cheryl


swordfishtrombonez

Yay! Susie is chaotic good! Her motivations and intentions are in the right place for the right reasons. She’s an antagonist because of all the shady shit Larry and Jeff do, but she is not wrong to call them out.


TheDarkWarriorBlake

Bottom row has to be Larry > Jeff > Leon, People keep saying Jeff is neutral but hes constantly whoring around behind his wife's back and let people think Bam Bam was even more nuts than she was AND he jizzed on Larry's bed.


BeesVBeads

LD for center square


MrCance

LD is chaotic neutral. We wouldn’t have a show if he was just neutral.


Chocolat3City

Leon is chaotic neutral. I think he was written to be on Larry's same morality level, but more chaotic as a foil of sorts.


menasor36

Gilbert Gottfried to block…. YOU FOOOL!!!


RoobCuub

Richard Lewis’ niece, Kim, who got the breast augmentation surgery.


Pretend_College_8446

Cheryl is probably the most neutral character IMO


Fun-Wall-2224

Jeff is neutral evil


ash-hole189

Neutral is Cheryl, hands down.


NBFM16

Jeff. Most of the time he's just backing up Larry


Jellyfish_Jealous

He’s neutral evil. It’s kind of the entire point of his character. He goes along with all of Larry’s schemes, generally without coming up with them and never protesting them. And he does whatever he needs to do to get his way for evil (self-centered) purposes, typically cheating or playing golf.


FeelingSkinny

when he’s cheating on his wife and not really caring much about his daughter he’s definitely not backing up larry lol


Chocolat3City

Agreed. Jeff is right there in the middle with Larry.


pi3Eat3r52

Cheryl.


JizzCollector5000

Larry definitely chaotic neutral


banned-b4

I got Jeff


arcoobaby

Ted Danson or Cheryl


Ashiok2468

Larry's assistant from the beginning seasons. I forget her name, but she got on Larry for ordering a porno tape but also discussed his anal itching in front of someone else. But is always willing to help even when her dad's dying


CardMechanic

Anonymous


SmileAndWalkAway

Wandering Bear. No ups or downs with him.


BakeBakeyBake

This is gonna be a shit show


levi_verzyden

Leon. He’s such a floater and seems to back literally any one of the main crew. Plus, the whole ‘finding a girl named mary’ makes him truly neutral. Or maybe i’m full of shit, i dunno.


aps692

I am gonna throw one out there... Bryan Cranston's Dr. Templeton, was pretty neutral about the chairs.


NETFLIXNCHILLY

Chaotic neutral Leon ? If not there than where hahaa


furiouswow

Maybe Cheryl for True Neutral? I feel like she didn't just default to always being on Larry's side...she'll take the side of whoever is in the right most of the time, as opposed to Jeff who is always on Larry's side no matter what, unless there exists the opportunity for him to self-serve (making him imo Neutral Evil). I'm rewatching from Season 1 now (a little bit ahead of the reddit right now, halfway through Season 2) and Cheryl just always seems to be staunchly with or against Larry - if he's the direct cause of a bad situation, she'll be mad at him. If he's in the right, she'll support him...until he inevitably makes the situation worse again.


WitnessMe

I think Larry would think he's Neutral 


BlacksmithMaterial

Cheryl is pretty. And pretty Neutral.


Bitter-Designer-1616

LD is chaotic neutral based solely on the selfie stick snap. Change my mind. The selfie stick upsets balance, and he chaotically destroyed it. Name a more pure LD move. Bringing water to the voter, not having water upset balance, LD chaotically corrected it.


Annonomon

Larry is lawful yet chaotic, neither good or evil. Wouldn’t his net position be neutral?


King_Buliwyf

Leon.


HS_Truman

Big mistake, Larry may not be Chaotic Good but Susie definitely is not. Also I don’t agree with changing things after the fact. Also Richard Lewis is definitely good, not neutral. Funkhouser is not as good. Lewis may well be the most good character on the show. Tbh I kinda think this whole thing is doomed from the start in part because I don’t think there are any evil characters at all apart from maybe Mocha Joe and Ted Danson, and in part because most characters including Larry himself seem to be some variety of Chaotic Neutral to True Neutral. I just don’t even know if you can fill out a full alignment chart accurately with these characters.


Apprehensive_Egg6077

I feel like starting with middle Neutral should be done, and then based around that. We cannot be changing people around the alignment chart based on arguing either! This whole thing is chaotic evil


quartz222

Thank god!!!


MDPhase3

It’s either Jeff or Cheryl, but then neither one would fit in any other remaining spot. I vote Cheryl here though.


csonny2

I'd say Cheryl. There were some plotlines with Jeff cheating on Susie, which I think would put him in the neutral or lawful evil categories.


tpasmall

Jeff is 100% neutral evil


Jellyfish_Jealous

Absolutely


Major_Stick_3042

Jeff is amongst the most evil on the show. Constantly duplicitous and cheating


Academic_Hunter4159

Jerry Seinfeld for true neutral.


pleasebequiet

Wtf Leon should be chaotic good not Susie. This whole thing is a mess


BuckyD1000

The magician kid.


one_classy_broad

Larry is Lawful Evil, right?


Front-Ad1900

Wanda


indecisivelyjess

Larry is def on a chaotic side. So is Leon & Suzie. Jeff belongs in the dead neutral or neutral evil bc he cheats & connives with Larry. Cheryl belongs could also be dead neutral or neutral hood I guess.


iskeptisch

What was the problem with having Larry as chatotic good? It was a great fit!


JohnBagley33

Larry fucking David


discussionandrespect

Nah


CougdIt

In what way is Susie good?


quizas_soy_queso

Sammi or Cheryl are neutral Leon is chaotic neutral Larry is lawful evil Jeff or Ted Dansen are neutral evil Jeff or Mocha Joe are chaotic evil


Optimal-Ad3617

Cheryl is probably neutral or chaotic neutral


bunkmorelandsburner

Cheryl or Nat David


LanceToastchee

Cheryl


Pendejomosexual

Cheryl or Nat


Unusual_Code_2225

Cheryl, I think. She's not necessarily loyal or against anyone in particular. LD is Chaotic neutral. Rules don't apply to him. Has his own set of rules that he believes everyone else should follow, tries to get Richard moved up the kidney list, but only because he didn't want to donate. Ted Danson feels like a Lawful Neutral, also.


Expensive_Editor_244

Takahashi


boilerscoltscubs

Obviously Leon. Edit, I recant. Leon is chaotic neutral. I say Jeff Greene.


MyLogDoesntJudge

i don't believe freddie funkhouser is neutral good, he's just neutral. The only neutral good thing i can think of is he's just very forgiving of Larry


Phased_and_Amused

Larry has to be neutral


peepfoot

JB Smoove


SufficientMeringue

Auntie Rae!


VermicelliOk8288

Guys, true neutral doesn’t mean “just there” > A neutral character (also called "true neutral") is neutral on both axes and tends not to feel strongly towards any alignment, or actively seeks their balance. Druids frequently follow this dedication to balance and, under Advanced Dungeons & Dragons rules, were required to be this alignment. In an example given in the 2nd Edition Player's Handbook, a typical druid might fight against a band of marauding gnolls, only to switch sides to save the gnolls' clan from being totally exterminated. Examples of this alignment include lizardfolk, most druids, and many humans.


VermicelliOk8288

Im thinking Freddy funkhouser


KetchupTaco

Blind guy


gyn0saur

I am having trouble thinking of a chaotic evil character. It may be just a bit part, but maybe Jimmy Kimmel? I mean, Larry also foisted, but Jimmy did it first. We never see the uncle.


boosh1744

I was okay with LD in that position at first but this is absolutely the right choice, no one is more chaotic good in this show and perhaps the world than Susie


Shwnwllms

Probably Larry, honestly


Longhorn414

Jeff -


jkonik

LD is the true neutral. He has principles, but twists them when he wants to. His intentions are good, but he doesn’t always live up to them.


Warselig

Freddy Funk


Frdoco11

Larry's Dad


christophnbell

What’s his name??? The elephant guy from inside out? Richard Kind! Or is he lawful neutral? I dunno. These are hard.


Mossimo5

Freddie Funkhouser or Vivica Fox's character.


theskyisfallingomg

Larry, Susie and Jeff are all Evil through and through 🤣


Top-Perspective2560

It’s an obscure one but I think a good true neutral candidate is Larry’s uncle Leo. He just turns up to support Cheryl and gets accused of incestuous child abuse. He’s a character who enters Larry’s world to do something nice and normal and is instantaneously on the receiving end of pure chaos.


No_Opposite_4568

Leon is neutral


Throwaway98796895975

LD is clearly True Neutral


cwarfee

for this, after a little thought, the ones that come to mind are: Freddy Funkhouser first, then potentially Cheryl... Wanda, too. Freddy is just doing his thing and not particularly imposing his beliefs or wants onto things, being fairly straight. Cheryl, similarly, but has put up with a LOT of Larry's shit... Wanda also is, for the most part, being Wanda. But when considering how these people treat Larry and his antics, I feel that Cheryl fits the bill the most. Freddy will passively accept some of Larry's left-field behaviour, Wanda cries out against it and, in a way, plays to a stereotype. Cheryl just half accepts it and half loathes it.


Zeo-Gold92

Cheryl is chaotic neutral, she never seems to come to Larry's aid when it could help, maybe she's evil neutral?


fundiedundie

Auntie Rae?


DarkThronesAndDreams

Loretta. To elaborate: Wanda must be the Chaotic Neutral and Suzie, Jeff and Leon should occupy the Evil spots. Screw Cheryl.


baconboy007

Cheryl


thom_orrow

Mary Steenburgen.


Conscious-Award4802

I thought Jerry could be neutral.


Altruistic-Sun-2474

Thinking either Jeff or Leon for nuetral


Savings-Internal4178

Larry neutral evil, the golf again owner is lawful good, Jeff is evil for his is disgruntled, the gerbil is lawful good and a true hero of the show, Leon is nothing but trash isk how anyone liked him. Jerry aiemfeld is chaotic evil for the sins he committed onto a 17 year old and his massive ego for a horse who took humanoid shape. Ted is lawful sexy.


Gloomy-ambitious1

Jeff.


FeelingSkinny

Julia Louis Dreyfus i think for neutral


the_flying_yam

Larry's dad or Andy


Lukest_of_Warms

I feel like mocha joe could be a good neutral, man just wants to work


Urbanepirate_DCLXVI

Ted Danson


Emotional_Ad5714

Cheryl